The potential buyer went from 25-27k and he made it seem he’ll stretch it to that number. Someone later comes in at 50k. Most ppl wouldn’t go back to original person knowing 25-27k was stretch. We’re talking double. I think even at 50k. The card went low. Especially knowing what past 1st bowman super autos have sold for. It’s a crappy situation but I can’t fault the owner of the card. There also not big card ppl. It’s great to be able to cash in. The guy that missed out on the deal shouldn’t of blasted it on social media. It is what it is. Seems a little salty and jealous. He knew how valuable that card is and would be.
Chris here - yeah it’s hard to expect someone to walk away from $23k. No money and changed hands. No contract signed. It’s a bummer for the original buyer, but you can’t hate the seller.
Hey Scott,Philmington,Chris,Jeff,and Lance behind the scenes I’ve tried other avenues of selling cards and from those experiences have decided to permanently deal through eBay from now on
Alan, Chris here. Yeah eBay is the safest selling outlet. But not danger free by any means. It’s tough. I’ve driven a long way to make deals in person just to avoid fees and nonsense.
I’m a huge ScottieB fan and think he has great knowledge and approach to cards so was surprised to hear that he has sold cards on social media platforms. I’m an old as balls guy but (not really, just 43) but don’t use instagram and certainly not for selling cards. I’m big not fleer 1988 basketball and have sold several psa 10’s of Rodman, jordan, etc but would only do it on a marketplace like eBay, etc. it’s worth the fees you pay
Chris here - I’ve also bought and sold on Facebook and IG. Just have to be a little discerning. Lots of scumbags out there unfortunately. Thanks for watching!
My answer there would be the same in reverse to here. If you agree to something in writing, and that includes waiting for a card, you don’t change the deal because value changes. So, yes, I would expect the buyer to pay regardless. Or, I’d file a suit as the seller against him for the different between what I sold it for and the value we agreed to. It’s not that hard.
Chris here - I think it’s safe to say there’s zero chance the buyer would have followed through had Langford pulled a wander Franco. The real question as to whether IG messages constitute a written contract - is int know the answer but I have to doubt it would hold up in court.
@@SpitballinCards The buyer might not have wanted to follow through, but that's the point of all of this. Why are you entering into what is likely a legally binding contract and later backing out assuming there are no consequences? If you enter into a legally binding contract, you are required to follow through. It doesn't need to be more complicated than that. And on that note, people need to stop assuming social media messages won't constitute a contract. I think it's basically guaranteed they would.
@@SpitballinCards I KNOW that texts are considered sufficient to constitute a written contract if you have the requisite information required. Basically, agreeing to terms on a deal is legally binding if it's done through text. There is zero reason to believe social media messages would be seen as different in any way. I don't know of any case law that specifically deals with social media messages, but the case law on texts being sufficient is very consistent that texts are enough.
The whole four-season stretch from 2019-2022 for Verlander was bonkers. 2019 - Cy Young winner at age 36 2020 & 2021 - ‘Yeh, maybe retire while you’re on top Justin’. 2022 - Cy Young at age 39 with a career best 1.75 ERA season 😦
Lememe’s poll had no background. I had no idea what it was referring to and I thought it was a transaction that was really close to each other. If people had known there was time for a redemption to be fulfilled, I’d think most would’ve said, take the 2x. Most people nowadays are nothing but headline readers and have no clue what the story is really about.
My first thought was like what Phil said at first. I know nothing about the details other than what you guys were talking about and my initial reaction is the buyer EVEN at 25k knew that was a lowball offer so I don't feel bad about the guy getting 50. if that makes sense
For a car you sign a contract agreeing to pay the amount for the good you're buying...it's practical for such a large purchase. If I ever was in a 5 figure deal with someone I'd just sign a contract honestly. I don't feel bad for the buyer at all and the seller should have honestly just sold the redemption as is.
Chris here - I’ve never bought or sold a card of this magnitude and I don’t know how I’d feel comfortable doing it. I think I’d rather just deal with an auction house fees than deal with people directly. Just seems ripe for problems.
Haha that is awesome. I liked that Harper purchase a lot. I personally think that it will be a big card to a Phillies or Harper collector in the future. On card 1/1 rookie autos of Harper with a good auto are very few and far between!
I think the HOF argument for Cole has to consider his era. He’s younger than Scherzer/Verlander/Kershaw. Who after those guys are HOF-track frontline starters? Outside of deGrom and Sale comebacks, Cole is the leader there. Might have similar stats to someone like Hamels but could be the last of the higher-inning workhorses.
You’re right. Some of these benchmark pitching stats might have to be reset for guys who pitched 2010 on. It’s just not the same. 300 wins is already impossible. 3000 k’s starting to seem like it too.
Escrow is a legal arrangement in which a third party temporarily holds money or property until a particular condition has been met - such as the fulfillment of a purchase agreement.
Hey guys, What do you think the Jackson Merrill bowman superfractor auto should go for? He didn't have a 1st auto so its technically his first but doesnt say 1st on it.
It's simple. You want the card? Then make the payment ASAP after a deal is reached. If not, well...as Phil mentioned....weeks went by? That's a long time. A lot of risk for the buyer there, for starters, given the inherent price volatility that comes with a big prospect. And then what if Langford tear his elbow up ? Or gets caught "Wandering" in a high school? Then what? You can back out? It goes both ways. Just make the payment and this is a non issue. As Scott mentioned, for bigger cards, it's annoying to have to pay a surcharge through auction houses etc....but you're paying for peace of mind/your time.
Or, and I know this is a hard thing for the sports card world to grasp sometimes, live up to what is effectively a contractual agreement. And that goes both ways. The buyer would still owe $27k if Langford tore his ACL in the meantime. If you message back and forth and reach an agreement on who gets the card for what price the other agrees to take in return, it’s a contract. Just live up to it.
Chris here - I’ve never dealt with a deal of this magnitude, but I think I’d have to go through an auction house. Just too many variables person to person. Too much can go wrong.
@@mc386106 Chris here - I get what your saying, but do social media messages constitute a legally binding contract. I have a hard time believing they do. But I’m not a lawyer. Send I’ve grand the cash in advance - maybe that locks it in. If Langford got hit by a car, I don’t think there’s a person on earth who’s still send the $27k. (Maybe I’m cynical)
So this is a classic case of contract law. The original buyer should have made a good faith offer of down payment in exchange of the seller not accepting other offers. I agree the first buyer will be happy in a year. Beside this person can buy a ton of great cards for $27k and increase the likelihood of making a profit.
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I just started watching and LOVE yalls Show!! Did yall ever talk about the Seller that pretty much Handshaked a spot for the Spurs in a Case of Prizm Basketball Monopoly and pulled a 10k+ Wemby and decided NOT to let the buyer have it? I wouldve loved to seen yalls views. The Seller actually got kicked off from selling on WhatNot 😊
To pay 50k on a sport card specially for baseball what type of achievements does this player has to do for value of that price tag or people in general has gone delusional.
My take is this is a card that 99% of would be uneasy dropping $100 for because of its HIGHLY speculative nature. But all it takes for a card to reach these values is a minimum of 2 gamblers with money to burn.
I actually prefer all the off brands compared to mainstream . As long as it looks good and is scarce it will have potential to go up in value . I’ve been doing that strategy with Ohtani rookies and most have gone up 20-30x in value.
That would’ve definitely sped up the transaction. Redemptions can have issues though. Like the card just not getting signed. What if months go by and it’s not fulfilled?
Because he got offered $50k id say the original buyer low balled TF out of him lol. We are talking about a few thousand dollar difference, it’s double the money
On Soto - he's great obviously, though I'm skeptical his cards will gain much value this year beyond the initial Yankee bump he's already gotten. The Yankee lineup was awful last year - loaded with .200 hitters who either strikeout or hit homers. Maybe there's some positive regression and positive health, but are Soto and Verdugo really going to change their whole offense? Trent Grisham is a .200 hitter too.
This Wyatt guy is the next Mike Greenwell. Chances are Dale Murphys career will outperform Wyatt. Would rather have a Nolan Ryan high grade rookie over Wyatt. Pitchers don’t go past 5 innings anymore and couple with injuries you will never see a 300 win pitcher again/ 300k in a season
Chris here - as popular as Ryan’s cards are, he sometimes does feel undervalued. The hobby hype around prospects is just insane, isn’t it? Makes no sense. I wish Dale Murphy had rookie autos.
This is a huge credibility and show of character for the original seller. If it were myself, I would have offered the original seller the opportunity to meet the price or I would pay him $2.5k. Again it’s a test/show of character on how people would have handled the situation differently.
lol my brother works with the brother of the guy who pulled the redemption. He said they offered it to the original buying for $40k and he turned it down.
Not sure I follow the dubious fairness of trade nights argument.... anyone? B/c one of the parties didnt know a player was having a great spring or just happened to have crushed 4 homers in a regular season double header? What am I missing ? I mean... trader beware. @11:00~~ IS it even possible for a collector to have a superfractor in his possession and not know its a 1/1 or anything about the player?
Trade night was a bad example… more speaking about an experienced hobbyist that buys/sells a lot of expensive 1-of-1s versus a casual that stumbles into an expensive card
@@simondaughtry4619 but it’s not just the original buyer’s fault. The storm of piss-poor offers sent to the casuals created a skewed perception of value.
Wow, somewhat surprised that a man’s word is not a man’s word. Ya, I in just the last two weeks got two eBay purchased cancelled. One was a card you all recently mentioned and the other was a triple auto I picked up real cheap. One guy said he shipped but never did and the other guy didn’t allow the auction to ended before he cancelled my bid. Too bad for the guy who reached out. Thank you Scottie for seeing it that way.
Unfortunately possession is 9/10th of the law. The original deal changes daily according to how Wyatt performs in the preseason. Really comes down to how ethical the seller is
I’ve done the same thing. I had a 1/30 Mariano Rivera from 2023 stadium club I got from a compact box. Tried to sell it at $75 and the guy said he would do $45 and offer two cards on top. He gave wrong tv for the two cards. I agreed to the deal but backed out hours later(it was Saturday night so I couldn’t ship Sunday either way) I sent him refund right away and told him Sorry and offered two free # cards(one being 30/30 gerrit cole)
I believe Langford led the MLB in HR’s, RBI’s, and OPS during Spring Training. 50k honestly still feels too low. The guy is an absolute hammer and if he doesn’t get injured most likely is rookie of the year.
The seller needs to be careful backing out of deals like that, the buyer has a legitimate court case against the seller. Verbal agreements are binding, so written agreements are certainly binding.
Unless you used eBay or some legitimate 3rd party to guarantee the sale, it’s not a sale. IG and FB dm’s are not legitimate sales until the exchange is completed. Carpe Diem, pal.
When it comes to the purchase of a superfractor I believe if you want to lock in a price for a redemption, you either buy and redeem, or have a contract drawn up for purchase that both parties agree to and sign. As for the sellers reputation, there was no binding agreement. If the buyer had exchanged a down payment then it would be different. Hence the need for a contract. The problem with a redemption superfractor being offered for sale, while it is being redeemed, is that it functions like an eBay auction. If you have no binding contract, then every bid above yours is a potential winner until the auction is closed. Or, in this case, until the card is received by the seller so he can transfer ownership.
If the terms were agreed to in text messages or otherwise electronically, you have a contract. That’s the thing people are missing here. There doesn’t have to be a formally signed agreement to have a legally binding contract in this scenario.
@@mc386106 Not necessarily, no money was exchanged. 40 years ago, a house cost $25k-50k and even verbal deals were sealed with earnest money. That money kept both parties honest. The buyer holds the right to purchase and close on the property. And the seller holds the right to keep that money if the buyer backs out for unreasonable reasons. The question is did the buyer know that he was taking advantage of the sellers lack of knowledge, most likely looking for a quick flip. And, would the buyer still have agreed to purchase the card at $25k if something had happened that caused the card to go down in value during that same time? It would surprise me if a lawyer took this case in South Carolina. The implications for winning a case like that would be unreal. Everyone from eBay to the dude that flips cards for a living would be impacted. I may be wrong, but I just don't see it happening.
I honestly don't care if it's life changing money for the seller. A deal is a deal. If they don't like it then they shouldn't have agreed to it. Would that same seller be cool if the buyer backed out if Wyatt had a bad Spring? We all know the answer is no. This is 100% on the seller and I don't like how it's even a discussion.
It would be very interesting if the opposite had happened. If Langford got hit by a car, would any of us still send the $25k? The redemption waiting period with no money changing hands was a problem.
If the card isn’t in hand and the payment has not been made the deal is not finalized. We shouldn’t expect the seller to hold on to a verbal agreement for a card of this value. $27k-$50k is a large difference so I side with the initial seller.
I’m glad the original buyer didn’t get the card. And I hope the original buyer sees this. And I hope it pisses him off all over again. The seller took care of himself, like he should, and everyone is a liar if the say they wouldn’t do the exact same thing this seller did. And by everyone I’m talking about the buyer too. Even that guy would have done the same thing the seller did, he’s just pissed that he took the KO on this one.
Good for the original buyer. He didn't get it. That card price will go down in the future. Wyatt Langford is an unproven player. He is all hype. The original buyer will be laughing later.
Quit collecting years ago when the price for collecting got absolutely stupid. No wonder the 'hobby' is dying with the youth of today - they just can't afford it. 😢
He has no obligation to take a $25k loss because a card guru was trying to lowball him. Dude sounds like a baby crying about it. Until an actual transaction takes place all is fair. Let that man make his money
This isn’t a verbal contract. Messaging through an app can be deemed a writing to satisfy the need for a written contract, so you’re covered there anyway.
If a deal for a $100 card goes bust, the time and energy to enforce your rights is less worth it. If you’re planning to spend $27k and liquidate to get the cash to do so, why should that person just let it go? Courts get abused for stupid reasons a lot. Losing out on $25k in value isn’t a stupid reason though.
@@j.tyler2024And yes, deals go bust. They aren’t well documented in messages back and forth on Instagram in a way where the court can easily enforce the original terms. A deal for a card of this magnitude is just different. And I don’t care personally, but I would if it was me buying the card and I’d win the court case that would result.
@@mc386106Chris here - I’d love to know if social media messages can actually be used as a binding contract in a Court of law. I’m no lawyer but I have to doubt it. How would the jury know the screenshots are legit??
Buyer should have reserved it and made down payment, end of story. If your a buyer about to drop 27k why are you acting like a novice in reguards to making the purchase? Dudes a cry baby scrub for even posting about the matter trying to gain followers and sympathy when hes the one who made the mistake. Take your lose in silence for being horrible at business 101 and move on. If he was a serious buyer, there would have been a down payment and legal documentation of some sort wether that be paypal invoice goods and services or whatever. Good for the kid and uncle on the double up, garuntee they would have honored the 27k deal if there was any sort of down payment or legal agreement for the deal but there was nothing but social media messages and nonesense. 0 money transfered.
What’s funny is that an agreement in messages via Instagram IS a legal agreement. You don’t have to have a down payment or a fancy contract. One side says he will pay $27k for the Langford super and the other says he will accept those terms, that’s a legally binding agreement in all likelihood. Especially if the agreement acknowledged the payment would take place when the card was delivered to the seller from Topps. You don’t need more than that.
@@mc386106 Insta messages are as worthless as a verbal acceptance in real estate. Nothing is set in stone until signed contract has been established. Lost a house last year when a realtor took a last second higher offer after 'accepting ours'. Per our lawyer, texts are not legally binding.
BOTTOM LINE... BE A MAN, GIVE THE ORIGINAL BUYER A CHANCE TO MEET THAT PRICE. ITS ONE THING TO GET DOUBLE THE PRICE, I GET THAT BUT HE DID IT IN A WEASEL WAY. GOTTA GIVE THE ORIGINAL "BUYER" A CHANCE TO MEET THE PRICE. WHATS FAIR IS FAIR. HE SAYS NO, OK YOU TRIED. HE SAYS YES, WHY SHOULDN'T HE HAVE THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO OWN THE CARD THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE A DEAL ON. SELLING IT TO SOMEONE ELSE IS A WEASEL MOVE, NOT CUZ ITS MORE $ BUT BECAUSE YOU DID IT BEHIND THE FIRST GUYS BACK... WEASEL MOVE
I think the real reason this entire situation became an issue was the fact $27k was agreed upon (in writing/text) and the big missing point is that the buyer posted he sold most of his favorite high end cards to come up with the cash. Now he lost his cards and still didn't get the Langford superfractor. If he never did all that selling to come up with the money, I wouldn't feel as bad, but the seller was completely in the wrong and should have been blasted on social media to never be trusted again.
Probably shouldn’t offer to but something you value at $27K if you don’t already have the money. What if he didn’t make that money would he tell the seller, sorry, thought i could afford it but I can’t.
Topps is trash for selling that 8.5 1 of 1 to their customers. Do better Topps with your quality control. Buster posey LOL. How many games did he play ?
Here’s the way this would go if I were the buyer. I’d sue. We had a written agreement, it doesn’t matter that it was in direct messages on Instagram. The difference between what I agreed to pay and what the seller ended up getting would be the damages. I’ll take the tens of thousands and move forward. People say you should sue over the littlest things and then don’t say to use the legal system when you should. This is a prime spot for a lawsuit. Terms were settled. Deal was made. That they were waiting on the card itself is irrelevant. If I can’t have the card, I’ll have the difference between what I agreed to pay and what the seller ultimately received as money in my pocket.
Chris here - we need to investigate if social media messages can constitute a contract. Seems very unlikely. How can you even prove who sent the messages?? Yeah it’s my account, but I got hacked! Prove I didn’t! Just seems unenforceable. But I’d love to know if any cases have gone to court.
@@SpitballinCards What I would say is that emails are considered sufficient to constitute a writing. So are text messages. The fact that there is seemingly a chain of messages over a number of months all but guarantees there is enough to say social media messages can be a writing for a contract. In fact, if you want to say you were hacked, you'd likely have to prove that instead of forcing the other party to prove you weren't.
The potential buyer went from 25-27k and he made it seem he’ll stretch it to that number. Someone later comes in at 50k. Most ppl wouldn’t go back to original person knowing 25-27k was stretch. We’re talking double.
I think even at 50k. The card went low. Especially knowing what past 1st bowman super autos have sold for.
It’s a crappy situation but I can’t fault the owner of the card. There also not big card ppl. It’s great to be able to cash in.
The guy that missed out on the deal shouldn’t of blasted it on social media. It is what it is. Seems a little salty and jealous. He knew how valuable that card is and would be.
50k is nice!!! especially for a lot of broke people
Chris here - yeah it’s hard to expect someone to walk away from $23k.
No money and changed hands. No contract signed. It’s a bummer for the original buyer, but you can’t hate the seller.
He had it sold as soon as he gets it😂
Hey Scott,Philmington,Chris,Jeff,and Lance behind the scenes I’ve tried other avenues of selling cards and from those experiences have decided to permanently deal through eBay from now on
Alan, Chris here. Yeah eBay is the safest selling outlet. But not danger free by any means.
It’s tough. I’ve driven a long way to make deals in person just to avoid fees and nonsense.
I’m a huge ScottieB fan and think he has great knowledge and approach to cards so was surprised to hear that he has sold cards on social media platforms. I’m an old as balls guy but (not really, just 43) but don’t use instagram and certainly not for selling cards. I’m big not fleer 1988 basketball and have sold several psa 10’s of Rodman, jordan, etc but would only do it on a marketplace like eBay, etc. it’s worth the fees you pay
Chris here - I’ve also bought and sold on Facebook and IG.
Just have to be a little discerning. Lots of scumbags out there unfortunately.
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I think to be a true 1/1, the print/photo should be unique, not just a different color border. Thanks guys for another great show.
That would definitely make it stand out as more unique -- thanks for watching!
A lot of people have forgotten that Strider already had TJ surgery in college
Good point!
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It’s always disappointing watching pitching studs going down with injury. Good stuff fellas
Right?? And it seems like it affects more and more aces every year. Thanks for watching!
The real question is, if the card lost value in that same time period would the buyer still put up the agreed upon money? not likely!
My answer there would be the same in reverse to here. If you agree to something in writing, and that includes waiting for a card, you don’t change the deal because value changes. So, yes, I would expect the buyer to pay regardless. Or, I’d file a suit as the seller against him for the different between what I sold it for and the value we agreed to. It’s not that hard.
Chris here - I think it’s safe to say there’s zero chance the buyer would have followed through had Langford pulled a wander Franco.
The real question as to whether IG messages constitute a written contract - is int know the answer but I have to doubt it would hold up in court.
@@SpitballinCards The buyer might not have wanted to follow through, but that's the point of all of this. Why are you entering into what is likely a legally binding contract and later backing out assuming there are no consequences? If you enter into a legally binding contract, you are required to follow through. It doesn't need to be more complicated than that. And on that note, people need to stop assuming social media messages won't constitute a contract. I think it's basically guaranteed they would.
@@mc386106 you think or you know?
I don’t think it’s that cut and dry.
I’d be very interested to see how it plays out in court.
@@SpitballinCards I KNOW that texts are considered sufficient to constitute a written contract if you have the requisite information required. Basically, agreeing to terms on a deal is legally binding if it's done through text. There is zero reason to believe social media messages would be seen as different in any way. I don't know of any case law that specifically deals with social media messages, but the case law on texts being sufficient is very consistent that texts are enough.
Fanatics should give the buyer the 2nd superfractor 😂😂😂😂
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The whole four-season stretch from 2019-2022 for Verlander was bonkers.
2019 - Cy Young winner at age 36
2020 & 2021 - ‘Yeh, maybe retire while you’re on top Justin’.
2022 - Cy Young at age 39 with a career best 1.75 ERA season 😦
Right?! 180 degree turn! He’ll be back chasing a third ring this fall.
Lememe’s poll had no background. I had no idea what it was referring to and I thought it was a transaction that was really close to each other. If people had known there was time for a redemption to be fulfilled, I’d think most would’ve said, take the 2x. Most people nowadays are nothing but headline readers and have no clue what the story is really about.
Probably right
My first thought was like what Phil said at first. I know nothing about the details other than what you guys were talking about and my initial reaction is the buyer EVEN at 25k knew that was a lowball offer so I don't feel bad about the guy getting 50. if that makes sense
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The glue has always been the money. No money, no glue. Thats it
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I bought his Sparkle 1st card. #Winning
For a car you sign a contract agreeing to pay the amount for the good you're buying...it's practical for such a large purchase. If I ever was in a 5 figure deal with someone I'd just sign a contract honestly. I don't feel bad for the buyer at all and the seller should have honestly just sold the redemption as is.
Chris here - I’ve never bought or sold a card of this magnitude and I don’t know how I’d feel comfortable doing it. I think I’d rather just deal with an auction house fees than deal with people directly. Just seems ripe for problems.
So this is funny to me cause i was the original buyer… but then You show that Harper gold 1/1 which i purchased a few days later 🤣🤣
Haha that is awesome. I liked that Harper purchase a lot. I personally think that it will be a big card to a Phillies or Harper collector in the future. On card 1/1 rookie autos of Harper with a good auto are very few and far between!
Chris here - how many Harper rookie auto 1/1’s are there? Do you know?
I have a 8/10 employee test card from topps Memorial Day version of Wyatt if you are interested
Why even put the card up for sale before it is redeemed? Sell the redemption or the card when you got it in hand, and this situation doesn't happen.
I think the HOF argument for Cole has to consider his era. He’s younger than Scherzer/Verlander/Kershaw. Who after those guys are HOF-track frontline starters? Outside of deGrom and Sale comebacks, Cole is the leader there. Might have similar stats to someone like Hamels but could be the last of the higher-inning workhorses.
You’re right. Some of these benchmark pitching stats might have to be reset for guys who pitched 2010 on. It’s just not the same. 300 wins is already impossible. 3000 k’s starting to seem like it too.
Not to mention the buyer didn't have the money when the deal was made, he had to raise it.
Good point. Deal wasnt done.
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I'm siding with the seller, however a courtesy offer to match the new price could have been made
On this I think we are all in agreement. Almost all!
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Sooo bein the baseball fan i am… i just moved 3 extremely rare 90s basketball cards into a 2011 topps trout psa 10… im hoping we’ve seen the floor.
Chris here - 140+ games from Trout in 2024 is on every fan’s wishlist. Let’s hope we get it! It will definitely help your new card.
Now that's what I call a sticky situation.
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Escrow is a legal arrangement in which a third party temporarily holds money or property until a particular condition has been met - such as the fulfillment of a purchase agreement.
Chris here - exactly. This isn’t free of course, but it would’ve protected the transaction.
I tried to win that Acuna BGS 9.5 but fell short.
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Why buy a 52 Mantle when you can get a Langford? LMFAO
That’s a hell of a question!
Had Wyatt Langford got a career ending injury would the buyer have backed out? The buyer and seller were both irresponsible.
Great question! Chris here and I can’t imagine anybody paying for the card if Langford was hit by a car or “Wandered.”
Hey guys, What do you think the Jackson Merrill bowman superfractor auto should go for? He didn't have a 1st auto so its technically his first but doesnt say 1st on it.
I’d ballpark 35-40X the true blue non-auto
@@Philmington thanks
Less risks play safe
It's simple. You want the card? Then make the payment ASAP after a deal is reached. If not, well...as Phil mentioned....weeks went by? That's a long time. A lot of risk for the buyer there, for starters, given the inherent price volatility that comes with a big prospect. And then what if Langford tear his elbow up ? Or gets caught "Wandering" in a high school? Then what? You can back out? It goes both ways. Just make the payment and this is a non issue. As Scott mentioned, for bigger cards, it's annoying to have to pay a surcharge through auction houses etc....but you're paying for peace of mind/your time.
Or, and I know this is a hard thing for the sports card world to grasp sometimes, live up to what is effectively a contractual agreement. And that goes both ways. The buyer would still owe $27k if Langford tore his ACL in the meantime. If you message back and forth and reach an agreement on who gets the card for what price the other agrees to take in return, it’s a contract. Just live up to it.
@@mc386106 Yes, there are way too many wishy washy buyers and sellers. Another reason I've largely avoided that realm!
Chris here - I’ve never dealt with a deal of this magnitude, but I think I’d have to go through an auction house. Just too many variables person to person. Too much can go wrong.
@@mc386106 Chris here - I get what your saying, but do social media messages constitute a legally binding contract. I have a hard time believing they do. But I’m not a lawyer.
Send I’ve grand the cash in advance - maybe that locks it in.
If Langford got hit by a car, I don’t think there’s a person on earth who’s still send the $27k.
(Maybe I’m cynical)
So this is a classic case of contract law. The original buyer should have made a good faith offer of down payment in exchange of the seller not accepting other offers. I agree the first buyer will be happy in a year. Beside this person can buy a ton of great cards for $27k and increase the likelihood of making a profit.
Chris here - I agree with this. Someone else made the escrow comparison. And yeah, it makes sense.
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I just started watching and LOVE yalls Show!! Did yall ever talk about the Seller that pretty much Handshaked a spot for the Spurs in a Case of Prizm Basketball Monopoly and pulled a 10k+ Wemby and decided NOT to let the buyer have it? I wouldve loved to seen yalls views. The Seller actually got kicked off from selling on WhatNot 😊
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We have not talked about that, it clearly that breaker/seller is a scumbag.
To pay 50k on a sport card specially for baseball what type of achievements does this player has to do for value of that price tag or people in general has gone delusional.
My take is this is a card that 99% of would be uneasy dropping $100 for because of its HIGHLY speculative nature. But all it takes for a card to reach these values is a minimum of 2 gamblers with money to burn.
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I actually prefer all the off brands compared to mainstream . As long as it looks good and is scarce it will have potential to go up in value . I’ve been doing that strategy with Ohtani rookies and most have gone up 20-30x in value.
The buyer should have called the guy sent the money and have the seller give him the numbers on the redemption.
That would’ve definitely sped up the transaction.
Redemptions can have issues though. Like the card just not getting signed. What if months go by and it’s not fulfilled?
I dont blame the guy for taking the higher offer. Sounds like he didnt really know what he had
Not many people would walk away from $23k.
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To me it sounds like an experienced card collector was trying to take advantage of a guy that really didn’t know the potential value of the card.
Exactly!!
I guess the card collector wasn't experienced enough. He should have put up the money or at least half of it at the time of the agreement.
Why? Once the terms are finalized and all they’re waiting on is the card, there’s a legally binding agreement.
@@mestizo3113Chris here - I agree with you. A good faith deposit to kick in the price just makes sense. Like a deposit into escrow.
Because he got offered $50k id say the original buyer low balled TF out of him lol. We are talking about a few thousand dollar difference, it’s double the money
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Langford might be the guy whose cards jumped the most during Spring training.
Gotta lock in the price with a deposit!
On Soto - he's great obviously, though I'm skeptical his cards will gain much value this year beyond the initial Yankee bump he's already gotten. The Yankee lineup was awful last year - loaded with .200 hitters who either strikeout or hit homers. Maybe there's some positive regression and positive health, but are Soto and Verdugo really going to change their whole offense? Trent Grisham is a .200 hitter too.
This Wyatt guy is the next Mike Greenwell. Chances are Dale Murphys career will outperform Wyatt. Would rather have a Nolan Ryan high grade rookie over Wyatt. Pitchers don’t go past 5 innings anymore and couple with injuries you will never see a 300 win pitcher again/ 300k in a season
Chris here - as popular as Ryan’s cards are, he sometimes does feel undervalued.
The hobby hype around prospects is just insane, isn’t it? Makes no sense.
I wish Dale Murphy had rookie autos.
Mike Greenwell! He was the next GUY, right? Man, all my '87 Topps Greenwells were going to make me rich 🤣
This is a huge credibility and show of character for the original seller. If it were myself, I would have offered the original seller the opportunity to meet the price or I would pay him $2.5k. Again it’s a test/show of character on how people would have handled the situation differently.
I’m guessing the redemption card was already sent in once the deal was made.
I believe so
lol my brother works with the brother of the guy who pulled the redemption. He said they offered it to the original buying for $40k and he turned it down.
I don’t care if the dude was at my front door. If the cash isn’t in my hands by the time of the sale then open bidding till then.
Chris here - most people I’ve talked to feel the same way. A down payment at minimum.
Until money changes hand there is no deal!!
Chris here - I basically agree with this
Not sure I follow the dubious fairness of trade nights argument.... anyone? B/c one of the parties didnt know a player was having a great spring or just happened to have crushed 4 homers in a regular season double header? What am I missing ? I mean... trader beware. @11:00~~ IS it even possible for a collector to have a superfractor in his possession and not know its a 1/1 or anything about the player?
Trade night was a bad example… more speaking about an experienced hobbyist that buys/sells a lot of expensive 1-of-1s versus a casual that stumbles into an expensive card
I copy that Dr. P@@Philmington
@@simondaughtry4619 but it’s not just the original buyer’s fault. The storm of piss-poor offers sent to the casuals created a skewed perception of value.
What's your thought on deGrom?
Wow, somewhat surprised that a man’s word is not a man’s word. Ya, I in just the last two weeks got two eBay purchased cancelled. One was a card you all recently mentioned and the other was a triple auto I picked up real cheap. One guy said he shipped but never did and the other guy didn’t allow the auction to ended before he cancelled my bid. Too bad for the guy who reached out. Thank you Scottie for seeing it that way.
Nothing is as simple as a card and handshake anymore.
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Probably originally got offered 25k, then found out that a lot of people would offer way more than that
And they would!!
Give zero fux, absolutely ZERO!! TAKING THE HIGHER OFFER!!....but giving original guy a chance 2 match....eazy
Are we kidding ourselves that this isn't purely about money now? Morals went out the door when the boom happened.
Chris here - I think it’s a gray area. But we don’t really know until we’re the ones staring down $23k more!
Spencer Strider had Tommy John surgery in 2019.
Yep, missed that
@@Philmington Hey as a Braves fan I don't like thinking about it either. lol
@@ZoderOne indeed, the key is avoiding another! At least he accumulated less mileage in the time missed with the last one.
That is a sweet Cole card
You are only as good as your word.
No wiggle room at all for $23k?
I would have gave the original buyer a chance to offer more then 50k I feel like the seller missed out on cash there
Agree with this.
Chris here and I’d have done this as well. Or just sent to goldin maybe or eBay.
The seller turned down multiple offers in the 30Ks, and offered it to the original buyer for $40k after they had gotten the $50k offer.
@@landonduke6464 ah, they must not have put that info out to the public these fine young gentlemen did not say that.
Unfortunately possession is 9/10th of the law. The original deal changes daily according to how Wyatt performs in the preseason. Really comes down to how ethical the seller is
Nothing in writing, meh. Seller should have at least got in touch with the 1st buyer and gave him the opportunity to match.
Chris here - I can’t argue that. Seems like it would’ve been fair to do.
I’ve done the same thing. I had a 1/30 Mariano Rivera from 2023 stadium club I got from a compact box. Tried to sell it at $75 and the guy said he would do $45 and offer two cards on top. He gave wrong tv for the two cards. I agreed to the deal but backed out hours later(it was Saturday night so I couldn’t ship Sunday either way) I sent him refund right away and told him Sorry and offered two free # cards(one being 30/30 gerrit cole)
I believe Langford led the MLB in HR’s, RBI’s, and OPS during Spring Training. 50k honestly still feels too low. The guy is an absolute hammer and if he doesn’t get injured most likely is rookie of the year.
The seller needs to be careful backing out of deals like that, the buyer has a legitimate court case against the seller. Verbal agreements are binding, so written agreements are certainly binding.
Sounds like a broke boy screwed someone over. You make a deal stand by your word. The Sports Card Hobby is full of people like this.
I can't see anyone say &50k? No thank you, I just got an offer of half that."
No way in hell
Unless you used eBay or some legitimate 3rd party to guarantee the sale, it’s not a sale. IG and FB dm’s are not legitimate sales until the exchange is completed. Carpe Diem, pal.
But yea, on the sellers side. Should have at least given the original buyer a chance to match.
@@KevsCollectables Yeah, that's where I'm at, too. Thanks for watching!
When it comes to the purchase of a superfractor I believe if you want to lock in a price for a redemption, you either buy and redeem, or have a contract drawn up for purchase that both parties agree to and sign. As for the sellers reputation, there was no binding agreement. If the buyer had exchanged a down payment then it would be different. Hence the need for a contract. The problem with a redemption superfractor being offered for sale, while it is being redeemed, is that it functions like an eBay auction. If you have no binding contract, then every bid above yours is a potential winner until the auction is closed. Or, in this case, until the card is received by the seller so he can transfer ownership.
If the terms were agreed to in text messages or otherwise electronically, you have a contract. That’s the thing people are missing here. There doesn’t have to be a formally signed agreement to have a legally binding contract in this scenario.
@@mc386106 Not necessarily, no money was exchanged. 40 years ago, a house cost $25k-50k and even verbal deals were sealed with earnest money. That money kept both parties honest. The buyer holds the right to purchase and close on the property. And the seller holds the right to keep that money if the buyer backs out for unreasonable reasons. The question is did the buyer know that he was taking advantage of the sellers lack of knowledge, most likely looking for a quick flip. And, would the buyer still have agreed to purchase the card at $25k if something had happened that caused the card to go down in value during that same time? It would surprise me if a lawyer took this case in South Carolina. The implications for winning a case like that would be unreal. Everyone from eBay to the dude that flips cards for a living would be impacted. I may be wrong, but I just don't see it happening.
Come on, guys.Your word is your word if you can't keep it you should not give it end of story
I honestly don't care if it's life changing money for the seller. A deal is a deal. If they don't like it then they shouldn't have agreed to it. Would that same seller be cool if the buyer backed out if Wyatt had a bad Spring? We all know the answer is no. This is 100% on the seller and I don't like how it's even a discussion.
It would be very interesting if the opposite had happened. If Langford got hit by a car, would any of us still send the $25k?
The redemption waiting period with no money changing hands was a problem.
If the card isn’t in hand and the payment has not been made the deal is not finalized. We shouldn’t expect the seller to hold on to a verbal agreement for a card of this value. $27k-$50k is a large difference so I side with the initial seller.
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And today not even 60 days later it is worth...
Haha - way LESS
Buyer should’ve asked for the unredeemed redemption card no?
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Do the right thing if you can afford to guys. What a beautiful message from our ambassadors. This really is a beautiful hobby.
Chris here - if you can afford to. Most people (I think) would let be able to pass up $23k. That’s a car. Or several mortgage payments. Life money.
I’m glad the original buyer didn’t get the card. And I hope the original buyer sees this. And I hope it pisses him off all over again. The seller took care of himself, like he should, and everyone is a liar if the say they wouldn’t do the exact same thing this seller did. And by everyone I’m talking about the buyer too. Even that guy would have done the same thing the seller did, he’s just pissed that he took the KO on this one.
Good for the original buyer. He didn't get it. That card price will go down in the future. Wyatt Langford is an unproven player. He is all hype. The original buyer will be laughing later.
Long term probably yes. Short term, maybe not
Boo freaking hoo. You lowballed someone and the deal didnt go through, oh well so sorry your attempt to pull one over the seller didnt succeed.
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That guy who got it for 25k prob would of flipped it for 50k or more..its all about the quick sale for best $
Probably, yes! That’s a lot of cash to walk away from
No contract no agreement no deal...
Chris here - I have to agree
Until the card changes hands, there's no deal. It's not as though they signed a contract.
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If downpayment was made then its a deal if just talk then it means nothing in buissness
Dude is mad he couldn't take advantage of an uninformed seller. Puh-lease.
Quit collecting years ago when the price for collecting got absolutely stupid. No wonder the 'hobby' is dying with the youth of today - they just can't afford it. 😢
He low balled him and there was no deal...
He has no obligation to take a $25k loss because a card guru was trying to lowball him. Dude sounds like a baby crying about it. Until an actual transaction takes place all is fair. Let that man make his money
In Ohio a verbal contract stands up as law.
He should have sold it to the man for 27000.
He made an agreeme he gave his word it's over..
This isn’t a verbal contract. Messaging through an app can be deemed a writing to satisfy the need for a written contract, so you’re covered there anyway.
Dude, good luck, man. deals Go bust, that's business. This is a hobby and a card... why do you care.
If a deal for a $100 card goes bust, the time and energy to enforce your rights is less worth it. If you’re planning to spend $27k and liquidate to get the cash to do so, why should that person just let it go? Courts get abused for stupid reasons a lot. Losing out on $25k in value isn’t a stupid reason though.
@@j.tyler2024And yes, deals go bust. They aren’t well documented in messages back and forth on Instagram in a way where the court can easily enforce the original terms. A deal for a card of this magnitude is just different. And I don’t care personally, but I would if it was me buying the card and I’d win the court case that would result.
@@mc386106Chris here - I’d love to know if social media messages can actually be used as a binding contract in a Court of law.
I’m no lawyer but I have to doubt it.
How would the jury know the screenshots are legit??
No skubal?
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they never had an agreement on how where and when funds would transfer so no agreement its common sense
Buyer should have reserved it and made down payment, end of story. If your a buyer about to drop 27k why are you acting like a novice in reguards to making the purchase? Dudes a cry baby scrub for even posting about the matter trying to gain followers and sympathy when hes the one who made the mistake. Take your lose in silence for being horrible at business 101 and move on. If he was a serious buyer, there would have been a down payment and legal documentation of some sort wether that be paypal invoice goods and services or whatever. Good for the kid and uncle on the double up, garuntee they would have honored the 27k deal if there was any sort of down payment or legal agreement for the deal but there was nothing but social media messages and nonesense. 0 money transfered.
Thanks for the thorough and thoughtful response -- Hard to argue with any of your logic here. Appreciate you watching!
What’s funny is that an agreement in messages via Instagram IS a legal agreement. You don’t have to have a down payment or a fancy contract. One side says he will pay $27k for the Langford super and the other says he will accept those terms, that’s a legally binding agreement in all likelihood. Especially if the agreement acknowledged the payment would take place when the card was delivered to the seller from Topps. You don’t need more than that.
Chris here - I’m with you. Great response. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@mc386106three words for the judge - “I got hacked.”
@@mc386106 Insta messages are as worthless as a verbal acceptance in real estate. Nothing is set in stone until signed contract has been established. Lost a house last year when a realtor took a last second higher offer after 'accepting ours'. Per our lawyer, texts are not legally binding.
i have no sympathy for lowballers. He tried to rip the guy off
To the original buyer’s credit, his offer was much stronger than most at the time
BOTTOM LINE...
BE A MAN, GIVE THE ORIGINAL BUYER A CHANCE TO MEET THAT PRICE. ITS ONE THING TO GET DOUBLE THE PRICE, I GET THAT BUT HE DID IT IN A WEASEL WAY.
GOTTA GIVE THE ORIGINAL "BUYER" A CHANCE TO MEET THE PRICE. WHATS FAIR IS FAIR. HE SAYS NO, OK YOU TRIED. HE SAYS YES, WHY SHOULDN'T HE HAVE THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO OWN THE CARD THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE A DEAL ON.
SELLING IT TO SOMEONE ELSE IS A WEASEL MOVE, NOT CUZ ITS MORE $ BUT BECAUSE YOU DID IT BEHIND THE FIRST GUYS BACK... WEASEL MOVE
People die All the time look at Kobe and all these young athletes under 30 that are dead...
Your word should mean something
I think the real reason this entire situation became an issue was the fact $27k was agreed upon (in writing/text) and the big missing point is that the buyer posted he sold most of his favorite high end cards to come up with the cash. Now he lost his cards and still didn't get the Langford superfractor. If he never did all that selling to come up with the money, I wouldn't feel as bad, but the seller was completely in the wrong and should have been blasted on social media to never be trusted again.
Probably shouldn’t offer to but something you value at $27K if you don’t already have the money. What if he didn’t make that money would he tell the seller, sorry, thought i could afford it but I can’t.
Topps is trash for selling that 8.5 1 of 1 to their customers. Do better Topps with your quality control. Buster posey LOL. How many games did he play ?
Topps QC definitely needs improvement!
Posey - just enough!
Here’s the way this would go if I were the buyer. I’d sue. We had a written agreement, it doesn’t matter that it was in direct messages on Instagram. The difference between what I agreed to pay and what the seller ended up getting would be the damages. I’ll take the tens of thousands and move forward.
People say you should sue over the littlest things and then don’t say to use the legal system when you should. This is a prime spot for a lawsuit. Terms were settled. Deal was made. That they were waiting on the card itself is irrelevant. If I can’t have the card, I’ll have the difference between what I agreed to pay and what the seller ultimately received as money in my pocket.
Good point
Chris here - we need to investigate if social media messages can constitute a contract. Seems very unlikely. How can you even prove who sent the messages?? Yeah it’s my account, but I got hacked! Prove I didn’t!
Just seems unenforceable. But I’d love to know if any cases have gone to court.
@@SpitballinCards What I would say is that emails are considered sufficient to constitute a writing. So are text messages. The fact that there is seemingly a chain of messages over a number of months all but guarantees there is enough to say social media messages can be a writing for a contract. In fact, if you want to say you were hacked, you'd likely have to prove that instead of forcing the other party to prove you weren't.
MORONIC buy!!
with the vaults you can just edit the address and he could ship directly to you
And roll out the smart contracts 🫣
It’s too bad the originally buyer didn’t get something signed .
the buyer would have backed out if he got injuried its a dumb idea either way
Today's world is normal
And roll out the smart contracts 🫣