Bartók field recordings Romanian Folk Dances
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- Bartók's original field recordings for the Romanian Folk Dances. I just did my Master Research on the piece and it was hard to find them. I thought it might be useful for others to have access to them. The sound quality is very bad but come on, these are more than 100 year old recordings, made with Edison's phonograph. The audio is from the Institute for Musicology of the Research Centre for the Humanities of the Hungarian Academy of Science. Here is the link to their data base: db.zti.hu/24ora....
No copyright infringement intended.
Didn’t think Bartok’s melodies in the Six Hungarian Dances were so close to the original sources. Hearing this is eerie and kind of mind blowing!
John Proulx I never would have believed that the actual recordings were so close to this famous Suite that was embraced so well by the public. But, Bartok did not lie. He was representing what he heard as well as using his own mind to figure what the harmonies should be. In this case, very conventional so to speak compared to most of his other works. bty: Lugging Cylinder Recording machines around is heavy work.(25+-50lbs!) But then, you have the very fragile "wax cylinders" to record upon. Easily broken these were. Until the close up, I had always thought that Bartok was using an Edison Phonograph to record upon. Not so. The recording head is that of the Columbia Phonograph Company. Too bad Bartok never had a Bettini recorder to work with.
@@Musique3579 But what CONCEIVABLE INTEREST can it be, to anyone (apart from themselves), that 'John Proulx' and 'Musique3579' 'didn't think' or 'never would have believed' - something or other!? The clownish terminology - 'KIND OF mind-blowing', 'the ACTUAL recordings' etc. reveal intelligences so far inferior to Bartok's as to require external evidence (not forthcoming, unsurprisingly) to justify the presence of their foolish comments here.
@@julianwynne8705 imagine ranting about other people's use of language on TH-cam. What a sad human being must you be
@@thekarnyx First, sorry if it appeared to be a 'rant'; but, second, I don't understand what is the NUB of your comment: have you a principled objection to people commenting on other people's use of language, on TH-cam? Third, I don't FEEL 'sad'! - happier, rather, since I reached (in my own mind, naturally I mean - and equally naturally may be mistaken) a perspective on all the 'music' there is, which enables me to understand how much time I - speaking comparatively - 'wasted', half a century ago, listening to Bowie rather than Bach, and no longer do.
@@julianwynne8705horrible gimmick account
0:01 Joc cu Bâtă
1:26 Brâul
1:53 Pe loc
2:41 Buciumeana
3:17 Poargă Românească
3:50 Măruntelul 1st Dance
4:12 Măruntelul 2nd Dance
Bartok was a musicologist and wrote numerous books that analyzed patterns from the melodies from his field recordings in Asia minor. I believe one of his texts attempted to find the root link between Hungarian and Turkish melody structures, scales, and rythms.
The whole nomadic culture is built into these records... Hungary is a melting pot in Europe, but much of what makes its music (Liszt, Bartok, Dohnanyi and others) is definitely Turkic, by which is probably meant Central Asian, and from there the roads lead to China and India and Russia... it is the most interesting field for any musicologist.
Dear users, thank you for all your likes and comments. I'm very happy so many people appreciate these recordings!
thanks from the future mister
Thanks from further in the future my friend
what a revelation to hear this source material. Thank you!
The violin arrangement with false harmonics nicely mimics the recorder flutes.
Bartok was aware of the purity, realness and spontaneous quality of folk music.
Holst and Vaughn Williams also went into their own "back country" in search of ethnic folk songs but Bartok, taking advantage of the more advanced technology of his day, actually took a phonograph with him to record folk songs from his own country and surroundings. Amazing.
I did research on these many years ago and like you struggled to find them - thank you so much for sharing them and making them more accessible.
I had always hoped one day I could hear these gems of musical history. Thank you so much for sharing.
from one musicologist to another, THANK YOU so much for sharing this!!
It's amazing to hear the inspirations for Bartók's brilliant transcriptions. Thank you!
SPECTACULAR! OMG, so amazing to actually have access to the source material that inspired Bartok. Unbelievable! Thank you!!
This is absolutely one of the best things about TH-cam! Thank you for making these priceless recordings available for all to listen!
Could I use this recording for a live concert on the 9th of June? Or would there be a copyright issue?
I know this is 3 years later, but I can’t imagine anyone could claim these recordings - I know Bartok died in America; I wonder if American copyright law would have even allowed him to claim these if he wanted to
Can I buy you a beer for this amazing post? Anytime, anyplace!
The musicians are Romanians from Transylvania, to be more specific.
This is wonderful as it dissolves some of the mistery shrouding these compositions. Thank you so much for uploading this.
An actual time machine. Invaluable. Thank you for loading this.
This is a piece of history that deserves to last eons.
Wow, amazing! Thank you so much for putting this online to make it easier for those of us interested in Bartok's field work to find the actual recordings.
Thanks a Million for this! Exactly what i was looking for. I can imagine the original sound behind the poor recording! ❤
I would also like to see your research if possible.
Yes please. That sounds fascinating.
+Spook_Dog Yes +mitismondjak @mitismondjak , please, post your research!
Did you ever find out where "mitismondjak" posted his/her Masters' Research? I too would also like to see the Thesis.
Thank you so much for sharing these recordings, I absolutely love them! What an amazing bit of history.
Fabulous! I never thought that the original folk pieces are so close to the re-interpretation made them by the Great Master..❤
I thought that it would be impossible to listen to this
I'm so glad you posted this, and thanks for taking the trouble to find it for me and everybody else.
Thank you from the bottom of my existence, and on behalf of my late father...thank you...I listen it over and over again. Thank you..
I don't know why...but it's very nostalgic for me,I'm not a Romanian or Hungarian.
Music is common for all of us man...
This is phenomenal, thank you for posting.
Is it possible to read your master thesis? I would be very interested in it!
Incredible. Thnk you so much for the upload !!!!
the first and fourth (i think) were part of a collection of bartok's field recordings issued on folkways records which i used to have. fascinating stuff.
Wow...what a gem of a recording!
I know I sound dumb, but:
What Instrument is that in the recordings?
This is absolutely amazing! Thanks for sharing!..
Thank you!
Picture is from Slovakia!
You just made my day today. Just about ready to talk to my Appreciation students about ethnomusicology.
Thank you for sharing!
Is the melody at 1:11 recorded in full, or is this all we have of it?
Thank you so much! I was struggling to find these field recordings, too. Having them all in one place on this video has been a great help to my own research!
Thank you for posting. Intriguing. I don't have much liking for Bartok's music but his 'folk dances' is a brilliant exception. He clearly had an ear for a good tune and harmony as did English composers of the late 19th century regarding folk music. Vaughan Williams & George Butterworth among several. Like a previous poster, I would like to buy you a pint.
Thank you! I'm actually doing a research as well. So great to be able to listen to this treasure!
Anyone who is interested in finding these recordings on the hard-to-follow website:
1. Follow the link in the description
2. Locate the tabs at the bottom of the page (They are in Hungarian); Click the last tab (the search engine.)
3. Select the location of the recording under the tab "megye" (meaning county)
(they were recorded in Maros-Torda, Bihar, Torda-Aranyos, and Torontal).
I found this to narrow the search best.
Putting in the years they were recorded (1910-1912) yielded too many search results.
All the best.
Hey thanks for the tip! Just wondering if you've got the BR numbers for the tunes? Writing an essay on this work at university but am still struggling to find the recordings on the original website...
Hey Seth, tried replying earlier but I can't find my reply. Maybe it'll pop up later. They just recently updated their website, which is annoying because I had just figured out how to use their old website after much struggle, haha. Unfortunately I hadn't recorded the BR numbers ;( If you do find them, please share. Try using the search bar (luckily they have an english page now) and narrow by county and years.
Hi, thanks for getting back to me! I actually had the same problem as you, managed to find it on their old website and it now they seem to have disappeared from the new website! Will let you know if I do manage to find them again. Cheers :)
Thank you very much for putting this up.
This is just incredible.
THANK. YOU. SO. MUCH.
The database is only for the hungarian folk music. Do someone knows where we could find the romanian folk music recordings?
zti.hungaricana.hu/hu/search/results/?list=eyJxdWVyeSI6ICJiYXJ0XHUwMGYzayBiXHUwMGU5bGEifQ&per_page=20
zti.hungaricana.hu/hu/map/?layers=google-roadmap%2Cvector-data&bbox=1050858%2C4950770%2C4807890%2C6563652
Actually there are also alot of recordings of romanian folk musik
Hi, I am looking for the same thing. ION DURAIN (Romanian from Petrovasala (Vladimirovac now in Banat, Serbia, on that time was Austro-Hungarian emp.) had a few records done in one of these countries, Hungary or Austria by Victor rec. studio. Please anyone, help Thanks in advance!
Thx for the upload!!!
Use the link in the description. The data base is in Hungarian but maybe you can figure out how to navigate in it...
mitismondjak, thank you SO much for this upload! I was trying to use the link you gave in the description- I was only found the first dance (Joc Cu Bata) on track #26 (I finally figured out that I needed to use the tabs below to gain access to all the tracks). Would you happen to remember the tracks for the other ones? I went through all of them but I could not find. Trying to use this website for my final lecture recital and paper, for which it would be better to cite the actual source. Any help is GREATLY appreciated!! Much love!
I found out how. Was quite a struggle but I'm glad I found them!!
Can you post how you worked out how to find pieces on the database ? For example the dances form the video above? using Browse or Search? systems.zti.hu/br/en/search
Hello, my name is Pepi, I was looking for a Romanian violin player called " Ion Durain" apparently, he had a record made probably in Hungary or Austria in about 1905 and on but not knowing precise information. He's son had one and one in (Petrovasala, he's natal village) but diapered and no one was able to get to it. Can you please help find he's recording. I tried without success. These old recording are grate values and appreciated by many enthusiastic audiences that recognize the value of your hard work to get to this excellent old recording. Keep a good and valuable work! With appreciation and many thanks! Pepimandi
Óriási! Köszönjük!
you're a truly generous soul
does anyone know the instrument played in movt 1 field recording?
thank you for sharing!!!!
Thank you so much for posting this!
Thank you very much! Very interesting! Any chance to have insight into your Masters Research?
Thank you for sharing this very important musical document
@mitismondjak This is amazing and fascinating, thank you!
WOW! Thank you!
Hello, thank you for sharing this awesome testimony of Bartok's field research ! Do you know the year of the first one (the theme of the first Romanian folk dance Sz 56) ?
Thanks for posting these! Any way to get in touch with you via email? I'd like to see more of your research.
I think the third dance (beginning at 1:53) is actually more interesting than Bartok's treatment of it (Pe Loc), at least melodically.
There's a rendition of that piece by a professional of the "kaval" / "caval" instrument it was originally recorded on - and yes, it's got a lot more complexity to it than what Bartók captured. You can find it on TH-cam as "Muzsikás Pe Loc".
Thanks so much for posting! Using for my masters report!
¡¡Thank you for the upload!!, ¿Can you share your master tesis, or is it on some magazine? I'm doing some research in my university on Bártok's relationship with folk music, it will be most useful to make quotation of your research.
Thank you very much! it’s great to listen to.
Great document! Thanks for sharing!
Extraordinary!!!!!!!!!!
Why did you use the cropped photo that cuts out curious girls peering over the fence (remarkable social portrait) and a German shepherd dog on the right?
+Allan Evans Can you post that photo?
arbiterrecords.org/a-playlist-of-origins/
+Allan Evans Thanks. Great stuff on your website. I know some the guys that also had lessons from Rev. Davis.
Who are your Davis contacts?
+Allan Evans Woody Mann and Alan Smithline. There might be others,.
Thank you for sharing ❤🎶🙏🏽
Thanks so much. Can't wait to share this with my students.
I was just about to make a video of this and put it up to share but you beat me to it! Great resource
This is how composers refine those unpolished gems to perfection.
Who can objectively say one form of this music is more "perfect" than the other? Both are valuable in their own ways.
Thank you very much for uploading this document! Greetings from Argentina
Thank you for sharing this treasure!
Thank you for sharing this!!
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nagyon szépen köszönöm!! this rocks!!
Sends shivers through my spine
what year exactly are these?
etnomusicologia check
Thank you for this post - revelatory indeed!
beautiful!! thanks lots!!!
This breaks my heart
This is amazing; thank you for the effort!
There is a video on TH-cam with Bartok himself playing the piece on the piano.
+Curatica C where??!?!
@@myprrrecious I hope that in the meantime they were found; nonetheless a search for "Bartok playing piano" would display several. Here is one: th-cam.com/video/Vqcl4lfNQeM/w-d-xo.html. Note that all are piano rolls, though.
thanks for posting!
Amazing! Thank you!
thank you so much!!
Thanks, amazing!
Thanks a million!
Great document !
Wow! Thank you!
Thank you!
Marvellous!
Thanks !!!!
Thanks for posting!!!!!
How interesting!
brilliant!!
Microtonals
amazing!