The home recorder Mr. Fabris is using is modified with better dampening and diaphragm than stock recorders, but is still a home recorder, none the less. The original Master phonograph recorders for Edison commercial cylinders (Edison Gold Moulded, Amberol and Blue Amberol master records,( Made of a modified brown wax formula.) were Edison Spring motor (Edison Triumph) machines with Triton motors. The master recording Phonographs were equipped with a heavy flywheel, and solid brass mandrel, the center stay bushing removed, so they could shave the master on the main shaft, and replace the same back on the phonograph. The master feed screw for two minute Gold Moulded masters was 97 1/3 TPI, due to shrinkage, of the groove made during the sub mastering steps of making a mother, and working moulds, totaled a little over 2% shrinkage. The four minute masters were recorded with a chain driven 97 1/3 feed screw mounted in back of the top casting This made the four minute master 194.6666 TPI, so during plating and sub masters, the finished record comes out at 200 TPI. I own a working Edison master recording head from the New York Edison studio at 79 fifth avenue, New York. It is a heavy brass recorder with an advance ball, and floating design (see my avatar it is my studio recorder).
Of course, this was recorded on a regular spring-motor phonograph, using a home recorder and a belled horn. For an original studio recording, Edison would have used an electric motor, on a phonograph fitted out with a flywheel, a more complex recorder, and a plain conical horn. The blank would also have been warmed up before recording to make it softer.
Wow !!!!, just wow !!!😃❤❤ Edison is alive and lives again between us !!! 😊😊😊 But seriouselly, dear animators and actors of the Edison Historic site, this is a true animation !!! 😉😉😉😉 Thanks for the sharing Truely Edison sprit is alive between us, and proud of you , very proud 😘
You never know how the recording is going to turn out until you play it back, and Phonographs have all kinds of quirks, like the belt stretching or The feed nut not meeting the feed screw, I always try to arrive at a session a few hours previous to set up and test. Oh and you can never have enough recording heads, or reproducers.Good recording anyhow.
I wonder if that cylinder recording could be reverse-engineered to sound something more like a modern recording. Maybe if the weaker signals were amplified...
There must be some advice from the period because the klezmer recording sound quite a bit better. Positioning of instruments and the size of the room perhaps.
@@DantheToonMan i don't think so. Just because you use similar instruments, it doesn't mean that the music will be similar. I'm sorry to be negative, but this band is not very good. Bad input = bad output.
Tuba is probably the weakest instrument to be recorded on one of these wax recorders. Most of the bands used a bass sax instead which recorded better. Listening to the playback, the tuba isn't too much.
From my possibly false knowledge analog audio degrades at higher volumes. With acoustic machines the volume is very high always. Of course this medium is flawed too.
Not sure if "Discrimination is not a right" is a wannabe troll, a self-styled "Internet Expert" or idiot. Probably an idiot. Wax cylinder recording technology is not high fidelity or crisp like a modern CD or mp3 file, you uneducated potato.
that tuba guy is intense
Two-minute records might have been the origin of the concept of "fast and furious".
"Bump up the tempo, Jim, or we won't get it all on there!"
The home recorder Mr. Fabris is using is modified with better dampening and diaphragm than stock recorders, but is still a home recorder, none the less. The original Master phonograph recorders for Edison commercial cylinders (Edison Gold Moulded, Amberol and Blue Amberol master records,( Made of a modified brown wax formula.) were Edison Spring motor (Edison Triumph) machines with Triton motors. The master recording Phonographs were equipped with a heavy flywheel, and solid brass mandrel, the center stay bushing removed, so they could shave the master on the main shaft, and replace the same back on the phonograph. The master feed screw for two minute Gold Moulded masters was 97 1/3 TPI, due to shrinkage, of the groove made during the sub mastering steps of making a mother, and working moulds, totaled a little over 2% shrinkage. The four minute masters were recorded with a chain driven 97 1/3 feed screw mounted in back of the top casting This made the four minute master 194.6666 TPI, so during plating and sub masters, the finished record comes out at 200 TPI. I own a working Edison master recording head from the New York Edison studio at 79 fifth avenue, New York. It is a heavy brass recorder with an advance ball, and floating design (see my avatar it is my studio recorder).
you've got to try and get that on a triumph
Of course, this was recorded on a regular spring-motor phonograph, using a home recorder and a belled horn. For an original studio recording, Edison would have used an electric motor, on a phonograph fitted out with a flywheel, a more complex recorder, and a plain conical horn. The blank would also have been warmed up before recording to make it softer.
Find one of those and give it to them. My point exactly
Wow !!!!, just wow !!!😃❤❤
Edison is alive and lives again between us !!! 😊😊😊
But seriouselly, dear animators and actors of the Edison Historic site, this is a true animation !!! 😉😉😉😉
Thanks for the sharing
Truely Edison sprit is alive between us, and proud of you , very proud 😘
You never know how the recording is going to turn out until you play it back, and Phonographs have all kinds of quirks, like the belt stretching or The feed nut not meeting the feed screw, I always try to arrive at a session a few hours previous to set up and test. Oh and you can never have enough recording heads, or reproducers.Good recording anyhow.
I wonder if that cylinder recording could be reverse-engineered to sound something more like a modern recording. Maybe if the weaker signals were amplified...
I agree, but nobody needs to ask the first question in the 21st century - Google will tell you in seconds that it's in East Orange, New Jersey, baby.
False! The Edison Laboratory is in West Orange.
Very enjoyable video 👍👍
It's a slow-turning screw attached to the recording/pickup head.
2:04 manual blower to remove the cut chips ☺
Very cool. Where is this place? Can anyone make a recording???
Funny... to this day I don't perform songs that exceed 4 mins, because that's what fits on one side of a 45.
There must be some advice from the period because the klezmer recording sound quite a bit better. Positioning of instruments and the size of the room perhaps.
I could barley hear the singing in the video before the cylinder
Ton and Jerry
Wow!
thank u v much
can someone make an mp3 from :12 to 2:16?
no
Sono qui per l'esame di etnomusicologia :)
Geez they could have picked a better room to record in
Yeah! Not padded at all.
Really? It turned out pretty good imo.
You could have picked a "better" video to watch.
what controls the needle are as it moves along the wax?
Groves
It's on a slow turning threaded rod.
verry niceee!!
what is this genre? it's catchy af
Dixieland Jazz
@@DantheToonMan i don't think so. Just because you use similar instruments, it doesn't mean that the music will be similar. I'm sorry to be negative, but this band is not very good. Bad input = bad output.
That tuba guy’s loud as freak!
Tuba is probably the weakest instrument to be recorded on one of these wax recorders. Most of the bands used a bass sax instead which recorded better. Listening to the playback, the tuba isn't too much.
sound is air, if you can control the air, you control the sound
1:21 estus chugger
From my possibly false knowledge analog audio degrades at higher volumes. With acoustic machines the volume is very high always. Of course this medium is flawed too.
What kind of technical difficulties?
The horn ingraver ( you must to talk and play loud) the speed of the cylinder and the during of recording (2 minutes maximum) !
Hot wax...lol'...
etnomusicologia check
Nice excellent awesome wax Machine 👍
slow auto focus very bad camera used 👎
Well, that sounds like crap.
In its day it was cutting edge technology (pun intended) !
No one likes u
Not sure if "Discrimination is not a right" is a wannabe troll, a self-styled "Internet Expert" or idiot. Probably an idiot. Wax cylinder recording technology is not high fidelity or crisp like a modern CD or mp3 file, you uneducated potato.
Well that tuba guy was a little too close to the phonograph