@@greyiris906 it should only be done with that person's consent though, not when they're babies and can't speak for themselves, especially if nothing is really wrong with them.
@@ninibugg6203 but something is wrong with them. just because you're born with something doesn't mean it's a good thing. Biologically your still male or fem
@@greyiris906 okay, but that's like saying that someone born with an extra finger or extra toe HAS to get surgery, because something is "wrong" with them. However, it's their decision to get that extra finger surgically removed, not anyone else. Just like it's intersex's peoples' decision to get their extra sex genitalia removed.
Christians do not know how to answer this question, and they are so prideful that instead of admitting they do not know, that try to explain away what that do not know 😂
Firstly, I'm a very conservative Christian. I dont agree with this "answer" to how would you answer someone like that. The question is not about LGBTQ. Its about a real chromosomal medical condition. I would tell that person that God loves him and guide him to God's love and try to lead him to salvation. I wouldn't be vain to explain something I don't understand. My job as a Christian is to live a Christian life, lead others to Christ, and defend the faith. Not to tell someone their medical condition is rare. Imagine telling a person born with no legs that God created man with legs and that thier comdition is rare?
@ashleyabdelmalak8278 Thanks for expressing your concern. Hank is acknowledging intersex is a real medical condition rooted in chromosomal anomalies. God does love them. They live in a sinful fallen world (hence the intersex issues), and need of a Savior. (Intersex is rare since it occurs only in a minute number of instances.) But, the Christian can never simply buy into the mythos that the occurrence of intersex is the evidence for gender fluidity. The question is about LGBTQ because the LGBTQ keeps exploiting the intersex to champion the myth of gender fluidity and to denounce gender being rooted in biology. Intersex is addressed in this episode of Hank Unplugged w/ Benjamin Cabe.
I was born intersex.. I got ovaries, uterus but male genitalia. I don't produce semen but was brought up male by my christian family. However I have always looked female and have bone structure, female features. I get periods but don't bleed. I'm christian and love Jesus with all my heart but it can be hard when allot of christians don't understand what intersex is. I consider myself female and live as female though my family disagree mainly cause they picked me as male.. issue I find is I feel female inside and out medically and I feel jesus knows me as female but at birth we can't pick how we are brought up so it can be a issue with family. I also have autism.
alisha, menstrual retention is potentially very harmful. God would want you to make an opening to drain the plumbing, I believe. but I'm not intersex, so take my eords with a grain of salt
It is sad that many christians feel the humans need to fit in neat little boxes based on what does or does not dangle between someones legs. Wonderful and fearfully made are we. God knew us in the womb. He intricately knit us. Just because he made man and woman in the very beginning, does not mean he made other variations. Saying intersex birth is a result of sin and a broken world blankets the intersex community with guilt and shame. It starts with us to change this approach and welcome the intersex community with open arms. Not fear and speculation based on differences.
almost everything in the modern world is a result of sin, so intersex people having shame and guilt would be irrational. I mean even death is something that is a result of sin, should everyone feel shame and guilt because they are going to die. the idea you are presenting is irrational
I just do not know what to do I'm just trying to get help I need for understanding why I'm intersex and who wants to be friends with a freak like me lol
@@Electricc__I disagree. I truly believe that god knows our hearts, our bodies and soul. He himself said he does not make mistakes. He made intersex HUMAN BEINGS for a reason and one day when we are in heaven he will tell us or we will know. I pray to him as I say this to help me understand. I don’t think it’s a disorder nor a burden. God loves his humans and the devil is trying to make us believe that we aren’t made correctly. It’s not that we were born incorrectly. God does not make people incorrectly, I myself have a physical facial “defect” but he healed my face in the womb and I still have the “defect” inside my body. I was not born wrong, I love that I have something different about myself that most people don’t have. A lot of doctors have said they have never seen it before which I find very cool. I may not be intersexual that I know of but I am different. So are they. We were all made in love by god and beauty in his eyes just as the world was made in the likeness of heaven. Don’t take that away from people because you also feel that sins from our ancestors are somehow put on us. Our sins are after we are born and when we cannot truly sin until puberty because we do not know what we are doing until puberty. We are pure which is why most women feel shame come over them after they get their first period. That is a women’s sin as the Bible puts it because of Eve. What did the men get because of Adam? Eve was beguiled by the devil, or as some like to say the serpent but Adam knew better and blamed Eve. Just because god made man and women as the first humans does not mean that intersex people were made from sin. Sometimes I feel as though god laughs at our own questioning because he has given us the answers in the Bible and no where in the Bible does it say that intersexual people were made because of sin.
@@Lilsoso19God never makes mistakes, but He can use our mistakes for His glory and our good, even when we dont understand or intend them. In Heaven though we are reunited to the Lord and no more tears or pain. Being intersex is not who you are, everyone was born into sinful world, and born into sinful flesh. Being intersex isnt a sin, it jus shows that we live in a world corrupted. Jus like how i have autism.. yes i have brain problems, each gender man and woman have their own problems that come just like intersex. No matter what though GOD can use you
This is like so many other matters of human sexuality is very complex and there is no easy answers or quick solutions. There are at least 30 different manifestation of intersexualism each having to be addressed on an individual basis. Some born like this wish not to have any surgery and many who were "assigned" a gender as babies feel wrong in their bodies. In some instances surgery is not an option voluntarily or otherwise. The truth is there is no clear biblical reference for this issue. I wonder what was done in ancient times when there were no hormonal test or any way to look into the body to examine sexual function. It angers me that the church can not admit when there is no biblical answer for an issue such as this one and just throw around non-applicable scripture.
Good points to raise. Yet, there are still biblical principles which can inform the biology and psychology of the issue. Please check out the following... www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-biblical-ethics-apply-to-hermaphrodites/ www.equip.org/articles/the-transsexual-dilemma/ www.equip.org/article/unending-bending-gender-helpful-harmful/ Warren Nozaki Research
@@BibleAnswerMan transexual dilemma? Intersex has nothing to do with anything trans. Why do you and your boss insist on treating these issues as one when they’re clearly different? It really gives off a lack of empathy vibe in my opinion…
1 of 1500 are born with this condition; that is not extremely rare to me. I believe parents should wait until they pass through the toddler years before assigning a sex.
1 in 1500 to one in 2000 births is not "extrememly rare" and why does he keep saying that phrase over and over again? These people above all else need our love and support.
They are "extremely rare" in the sense they are exceptional cases. Many parents do make difficult decisions when biological gender is difficult to determine in their child, but many more parents can know their child's biological gender without any ambiguities. Hank further expounds on the intersex in the following... www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-biblical-ethics-apply-to-hermaphrodites/ See also the following related articles on gender dysphoria... www.equip.org/articles/the-transsexual-dilemma/ www.equip.org/article/unending-bending-gender-helpful-harmful/ CRI Staff
f you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births [0.07-0.05%]. But a lot more people than that are born with subtler forms of sex anatomy variations, some of which won't show up until later in life.[
It's not new we have been swept under the rug for thousands of years making us taboo and even killing us i don't know how i survived and went unnoticed for all these years but i thank God Jesus said clearly that God changed his mind and his blood was for all who acknowledge that He is our salvation he died once and for all not once and for most also we are not to judge each other and religion is doing something over and over anything we do over and over is done religiously like how people hate each other religiously , Gods teaching is to love to love unconstitutionally without ever casting stones or daring to sit in his glorious throne remember God is love Love is Jesus you nor I cant have one without the other for how you judge he will judge but God himself has abolished all that is sin even death itself all we have to do is love unconstitutionally i know it clear in my hearts that he is our salvation and that humans need to love period and that the bible does fall in to hateful hands to hurt you and God do not put fear in me that he is love and no signs will be seen he is risen he has already been here and is here he is that love that allows me to love for he is the air i breath he is every where around us which is why the earth is round not flat as the loveless and ignorant once claim it to be don't fear God he said fear them who are still without me without him is death but in his love is eternal life we die like seeds yet another life is born because he allows and what allows in love God allows with zero hate belongs to him who has already been risen ; hell is what a person makes out of choice anger and hate and then they find themselves alone but when we give our hearts to God without judgement he Jesus is our company makes a way, just believe in his salvation and he is that salvation that he is real like a new life is born love is pure like Jesus and realize that the bible has been changed to many times by human hands that even so every body knows his name and our open hearts to him unconditionally is wisdom and his and grave has been empty he conquered death so with this in Gods love i implore you earthly judgers to open your eyes to how love grows only when we put our hate to death as God has conquered it by his blood by never ever stepping into this earth or any world in hate but to be a light and speak life into life not death he is risen glory to Jesus Hallelujah!
actually it is it just might be common around you. You can ask someone who has never met one and have them ask around their community and you'll see how rare it is.
The redefinition of gender really generates more problems than solutions for those struggling with sexual identity. This is addressed in the following articles > www.equip.org/articles/the-transsexual-dilemma/ www.equip.org/article/unending-bending-gender-helpful-harmful/
Please forgive me if this story is considered inappropriate within this context? Whether anyone considers themselves christian or not, may I please include some extra nuance to your conversation? I have no intention of attempting any kind of evangelization in my contribution, I would however like to supply some extra dimensión to the discourse. To advance some concepts I would like to present some quotes. First: Isa 56:4-5 KJV 4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. Second: Mat 19:11-12 KJV 11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Third: Act 8:26-40 KJV which I consider too long to be quoted here. I would love to note first that the term eunuch in these quotes seems to be defined by the Lord Jesus himself to include intersex individuals (eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb). Unwilling (some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men) and willing (eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs) individuals appear similarly defined. May I also note the quote (unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters). I am aware that original Hebrew literally is translated "a hand and a name" greater than of sons and of daughters. I am, however, quite intrigued by the implications that eunuchs are given recognition separate from sons and from daughters. I consider myself to be a eunuch (trans). I am not exactly a son and not exactly a daughter. I have a woefully masculine face and physique but I am definitely not a son (AMAB MTF post SRS (GCS)). Therefore I do not fit in sons' spaces or daughters' spaces. I have immersed myself in the philosophical, psychological, political and theological literature and media for a significant portion of seven decades and conclude that I am physically, politically, perceptually and theologically non-binary. Psychologically, I have identified as female since the age of two or three but diligent discipline discouraged any hint or discussion of my feminine identity or behavior. My ideal puberty would have included hormone blockers until a legally acceptable age to begin HRT and GCS (SRS) and then as nearly normal womanhood as attainable. In actuality, the diligent discipline has induced my voluntary celibacy and perception that I have been insidiously gaslighted and have a subtle incidence of complex traumatic stress disorder by the dismissing, ignoring, denying and suppressing of my gender identity. I hope my comments and the quotes are discovered to be beneficial. I pray that nothing is found to be triggering because my intent was to be somehow loving, compassionate and empathetic to each and everyone. If you have deigned to read this entire comment, thank you much!
I have had similar thoughts. I do believe the bible speaks to those who don't have a clear sex identity. I know many people don't like this view, but I think anyone who is confused sexually or isn't clear about their gender identity should obstain from marriage. The bible said it's better to remain unmarried. You have so much more time to devote to the kingdom of God when you don't have a spouse and children to worry about. You are less tied down to this world in general. And honestly, God is not male or female and neither are the angels. When we are resurrected there will be no more marriage or sex. Maybe there won't even be gender either? Matt. 22:33 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. I also believe contrary to popular conservative christian rhetoric that people are born with homosexual attractions. It is not always a learned trait. But we are all born with a corrupted flesh that wants to sin in some sort of way. No one ever taught me how to lie. I was born a liar, but I had to be born again. John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” When people hear that something is wrong with them and that they can't do whatever pleases them, it is offensive and they usually don't accept this. They take it as an attack on who they are as a person instead of repenting and realizing their own brokenness. John 3:19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. I truly feel for those who are born intersex. I can't even imagine how difficult it would be to be uncertain about your sex or gender. But thankfully this is a temporary issue in light of eternity. Those who are in Christ will one day be made whole physically and spiritually and there will be no more suffering, confusion, or pain.
I've never viewed the eunuchs in such a manner before. I have been studying the Bible, but admittedly any mention of castration or mutilation has made me uncomfortable. It has even been a debate between myself and my significant other for our future male children. I would want them to choose to circumcise themselves instead of it being done for them, but my spouse disagrees. It's always so interesting how culture and religion intermingle with one another.
@@tylerdavis520 Yes. There is only Male and Female, the term intersex is misleading. They are still either male or female, it just a Man with no penis and female genetalia, but its still a Man and will have male skeletal structure. And other way around.
If 1 in 1500 are born this way, there are close to 5 million intersex people in the world. That’s rare, but it’s also a lot of people. The fallen-world argument makes sense. But few other abnormalities at birth present an equivalent moral dilemma. I agree with not allowing an abnormality to determine doctrine, but many people still need to know how to respond to this type of situation. We know it’s abnormal because the Bible teaches that we should either be male or female. But so many are born with various abnormalities who are loved as much as anyone else, and people born intersex should be loved the same. While I agree with ideas expressed in this video, it feels like the solution presented is to just pick a gender for those faced with the dilemma or to ignore this type of situation for those who can do so. Maybe, not worrying about it will work for some who will never face this situation; but that won’t work for many. I would hate to have to choose a gender for someone. What if you made the wrong choice? And I don’t really believe that having cared and done ones best is adequate consolation for those whose gender may have been chosen incorrectly. And the fallen-world argument tells us that fallen people are the ones who make such decisions when they are made, and that means that devastatingly wrong decisions are frequently made. While I agree with principled ideas in this video, I find it lacking in any practical advice for those who have to face this kind of situation. But in all fairness, I don’t have a better answer.
Yeah the video was next to worthless for guidance. Seems like the best option would be to delay surgeries for as long as possible unless medically necessary
I 100% disagree with the fallen argument. When you say that we are assuming that god never intended for somebody to be intersex. I don't think we can speak on god's behalf. God makes all in his image and I highly doubt that is about our physical characteristics. It would be spiritual, our soul.
The person who felt their father had choose wrong, was biologically in between male and female. So if gender is tied to biology how should this person do?
Being intersex is only as rare as having red hair. Are you going to emphasize how having red hair is an EXTREMELY rare condition? That's also around 150 million people.
Not really seeing answers here about the the matter at hand. A fallen world is not really an answer. Why would God allow this to happen and in his doctrine separate male and female. There is no interference from humans to enable this situation. Please can we also stop saying it is rare. Rare or not it is still happening.
So would you address that person however they ask to be addressed? Like if they grow up feeling more like a female and decide they want to be referred to as she and her, as a Christian we should do that right?
@jackieortiz316 Interesting that we are so caught up on mere "pronouns." But that misses the elephant in the room. See Hank's video: th-cam.com/video/fT0XO5lHq-Y/w-d-xo.html
This was insightful. Thanks for sharing a new perspective. Now there is controversy about transgender people having sex reassignment surgeries. People say that is is wrong on the basis that God made everyone in his image. Now would someone who was born with female and male organs have to live with both for the rest of their life, since sex changes are wrong? I agree with when you said making a decision like this needs to consider multiple factors and you said neurological. Our minds are constantly develop and people can regret choosing a specific sex. is it best to just live with it without changing the way you were born? I’m not sure but these are just questions that I think about. At the end of the day, we are all human no matter what’s in between our legs
Surgeries can be done later with the child’s input if the parents are brave enough to support, I’d imagine. Seems like the chromosomes, the genitals, the body type, the hormones would all play a factor in making such decisions but I’m just thinking out loud…
I Believe the parents should pray to God and seek counsel from Him before assigning a gender if they are born this way, kind of like the way God sealed Joseph lips before he named Jesus and John the Baptist...We should always seek God in big decisions like this z showing Him that we trust Him in all situations in our lives 🙏🏽💞❤️🔥💯☝🏽
So many people are saying this isn’t rare in the comments. Rare means not occurring very often if less than 2% of the population is intersex THEN IT DOESN’T OCCUR VERY OFTEN! Geesh..Use a dictionary people
I think the point is that we are talking about millions of people, not just a handful. This creates an issue when the church ignores it and doesn't educate people so that we can properly reach out to those with this condition.
To everyone who keeps saying it’s not rare. It is very very rare. Your 1.7 prevalence came from Anne Fausto-Sterling who included Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia which are not recognized as intersex. A more accurate estimate is about 0.018%.
Even if one person was intersex, we should take into account their experience. But there are millions and millions throughout history and in today's time.
Hanegraff says a lot and then again...says nothing at all that is substantial. The primary questions I have are: [1] why would a perfect God even allow this to occur since it would cause the person to likely be very confused about their sexual identity, and [2] according to scripture, who are they allowed to marry? OK, there are no answers from the Bible that can truthfully answer these questions. This is a reason why I left Christianity because the bottom line is this question has no answer from a biblical viewpoint.
Why do children get molested and abused? Why are people born with all sorts of abnormalities? Why are there awful wars going on every day? Sin. Eveything in this life is fallen. Nothing is perfect. We all face different challenges because of this, although some seem to face harder obstacles than others. This is how I know that Christianity is true. This world is so broken and needs a savior. All of creation groans to be restored. Rom. 8:21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. Having that said, I do believe the bible speaks to those who don't have a clear sex identity. I know many people don't like this view, but I think anyone who is confused sexually or isn't clear about their gender identity should obstain from marriage. The bible said it's better to remain unmarried. You have so much more time to devote to the kingdom of God when you don't have a spouse and children to worry about. You are less tied down to this world in general. And honestly, God is not male or female and neither are the angels. When we are resurrected there will be no more marriage or sex. Maybe there won't even be gender either? Matt. 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. Isaiah 56:4 For thus says the Lord, “To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths, And choose what pleases Me, And hold fast My covenant, 5 To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial, And a name better than that of sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off. Matt. 19:10 The disciples *said to Him, “If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry.”11 But He said to them, “Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it.” I also believe contrary to popular conservative christian rhetoric that people are born with homosexual attractions. It is not always a learned trait. But we are all born with a corrupted flesh that wants to sin in some sort of way. No one ever taught me how to lie. I was born a liar, but I had to be born again. John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” When people hear that something is wrong with them and that they can't do whatever pleases them, it is offensive and they usually don't accept this. They take it as an attack on who they are as a person instead of repenting and realizing their own brokenness. John 3:19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. I truly feel for those who are born intersex. I can't even imagine how difficult it would be to be uncertain about your sex or gender. But thankfully this is a temporary issue in light of eternity. Those who are in Christ will one day be made whole physically and spiritually and there will be no more suffering, confusion, or pain.
@@rh10033 : I agree with you for the most part . If someone is born intersex they deserve to have a fulfilling sex life just like anyone else. They are born with both male and female parts so no one can judge them for their choice in partners.
it’s the same rarity of red heads please please do research. also please do not say that some things are a result of a fallen world because we do not truly know.
Isaiah 56:3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say, “The Lord will surely separate me from His people.” Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.” 4 For thus says the Lord, “To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths, And choose what pleases Me, And hold fast My covenant, 5 To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial, And a name better than that of sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off.
@CJB787 Where did you get the 1.7%? More like 0.018%. That percentage is based upon redefinition of terms so the results appear greater than the topic of research. It is a shifting of the goal posts. See NIMH abstract... Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female. Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%, almost 100 times lower than Fausto-Sterling s estimate of 1.7%. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/
Why let someone else decide what a child will be. Let the child grow up and the adult hermaphrodite decide for themselves to either live their life as a man or as a woman as they so choose. They live as a man or as a woman one or the other but, not as both. Hermaphroditism has been around since long before Christ. The apostle Paul spokeof them. It is just that they had to live hidden away in secret because they were so terribly persecuted. I had a 14 year old ancestor who was burned at the stake by the local church , accused of being a demon. She/he was burned at the stake after being discovered by midwives in child birth. Paul said"As for those who are born both man and as a woman are innocent, for they were born that way. It is right after he says homosexuality is an abomination. Most people over look this verse because they don't understand it. For a doctor to decide a baby , as one of these, to decide they childs sexual preference is absolutely criminal!Most of the time the get it wrong and the child suffers their entire life because of someone else's "God" complex!
It averages out to the same amount of people born tntersxex are the same as the amount of people born with red hair. Do your research people. It's not rare and it's not called hermaphrodite. I'm so thankful these people don't get to judge!!!
I love how this man just keeps on saying how rare the situation is and avoids answering the actual question… how in the world do you tell a person who is living such a traumatic experience all their lives that they are only in this terrible situation because we are living in a fallen world?????I do not care how rare the situation is…telling 130,000 (that rare 2% you were talking about) people experiencing this condition that it came from a fallen world and claiming this to be “biblical” is a terrible idea. Horrible idea bruh!!!Not very Christian like either. How cruel, insensitive, and downright irresponsible for you or anyone else to be handling this particular situation. And this is exactly why I do not trust the “Christian Community” any longer… Remember this today if you remember anything else… to offend even one person IS SIN and you sir are offensive to those suffering in this confusion with your lose tongue. If our world has “fallen” as you say it has…. it truly is on account of those proclaiming the word of God over these kinds of sensitive matters. To offend even one person in the name “Of God” is why people hate God in the first place. How about we put people first by loving and proclaiming the truth in love and not by your standards of what you “think” God thinks…. I promise You do not think like God, if you did this world would be fallen in deed!!!
@afloragrove well that is a fallacious equivocation. Gender is a distinct category from hair color or regional association. So, lots of male and female redheads and lots of male and female people from Russia. Whether intersex is common is an exaggeration of the evidence. Even in births were there are anomalies, very often the gender of the newborn is easily determined. See www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-biblical-ethics-apply-to-hermaphrodites/ Also check out the interview w/ Benjamin Cabe.
@Raynas vlogs the person who said that was misinformed. Possible non-Christian. The undiscerning consignment to hell certainly unchristian. See this article www.equip.org/articles/unending-bending-gender-helpful-harmful/ Listen also to the interview with Benjamin Cabe www.equip.org/hank-unplugged-podcast-and-shorts/does-your-soul-have-a-gender-an-exploration-of-sex-gender-and-the-soul-ben-cabe/ And check out www.equip.org/articles/what-happened-to-the-word-woman/
How can you go to hell because God created you in his image, he made you perfect in every way. He is the creator, the earthly Artist. He made Adam a wife from his Rib and made a woman. Women are both male and female, we were made from Man Adam, so you are exactly his perfect creation in every way, I wish people would read the Bible better 😊❤❤❤❤ God Bless you the creator makes no mistakes, the ones who questions his creation as fault make a mistake. Embrace your beauty, stay extra blessed.
I often wonder if it's about the self control of a persons sexual desires and not soo much the genitalia. There are folks who can't make babies physically. Folks get married to opposite gender and still get it wrong. Don't treat each other properly or love properly and are just as sinful. Getting divorce etc...the homosexuality in the Bible was often abusive and lustful. People loving same gender today may not even participate in sex but still love and want to share their life with someone. How is that sinful??
I believe if one is able to bare a child in this case then they are indeed a female. :) God free gift of grace saves us through faith not works. So smile God Loves You.
I do not like the advice that was given, when dealing with intersex people first you just look at the person, a person made in the image of God, period.
I feel like in the first minute of this that this video, while it may be biological truth is really insensitive. I get tired of people talking religiously on this stuff that have no experience with it.. How can you really tell somebody how God feels when they're born inner sex? When you haven't taken the time to understand what. It? Means to be a person born intersex. This is not a black and white issue.
@carlitoscolonsalva That is non-sequitur. Whereas you can have certain creatures can reproduce asexually (like amphibians) others are hermaphroditic (like Clownfish), nothing of that is natural to humans.
Intersex and 🏳️⚧️ transgender people are completely different, you can’t compare them. Transgender are biological male or female regardless the transition and intersex have both gender and don’t feel the need to transition.
@whatevs8208 Hank does address specifically the intersex situation in the view. What was missed? See also this article for clarification: www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-biblical-ethics-apply-to-hermaphrodites/
@whatevs8208 hmm the link works this end. Here is the full text to www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-biblical-ethics-apply-to-hermaphrodites/ How do biblical ethics apply to hermaphrodites? By Hank Hanegraaff The term hermaphrodite is derived from joining the name of the Greek god Hermes with the Greek goddess Aphrodite. Today hermaphroditism is appropriately referred to as “intersex” or as a “disorder of sex development” (DSD). Regardless of the term used, confusion about how to respond to this disorder reigns. First, intersex refers to the rare condition of individuals who are born with both male and female reproductive organs and sex glands and, in even rarer cases, both XX and XY chromosomes. The medical treatment for this disorder involves the surgical and hormonal “assignment” of gender, which ideally should be made on the basis of all the relevant factors (e.g., chromosomal, neural, psychological, behavioral, and the like). If there is reasonable certainty that a medical mistake was made in the assignment of gender, it would not be beyond biblical bounds to prayerfully consider reassignment. As with the treatment of any rare disorder, gender assignment is complex and subject to human error; thus, it is crucial to seek the most competent biblical and medical counsel. Furthermore, being born with genetic, psychological, or hormonal abnormalities is no more license for sexual sin than being born with violent tendencies is license for violence. Thus, if a same-sex attraction develops, celibacy and singleness-as opposed to homosexual licentiousness-is the proper response (cf. 1 Corinthians 7:8). Indeed, anyone suffering from gender confusion should not pursue marriage until the confusion has been biblically resolved. Though this may seem harsh, it is no different from the requirement placed on all believers to die to sin and live for righteousness through the power of Christ and the help of the Holy Spirit (Romans 6). Finally, it is crucial to recognize that all disorders, diseases, deformities, decay, and death ultimately result from the fall. While sin, suffering, and sickness are present realities, we have the certain promise that “in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose” (Romans 8:28). Now as Jesus passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth. And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.” John 9:1-3 NKJV
Basically he just contradicted himself. The guy in question was wrongly raised by his parents as male despite being intersexed and feeling female. So if a correction cannot take place, until an adult you need a gender change as an adult. And if he thinks intersexed people are new he is a fool. A genetic trait , and that it what we are talking about does not just randomly start happening. Every ancient religion apart from abrahamic ones acknowledges genetic and gender diversity. Not once did he say treat such people with compassion which I think is what Jesus would have done.
@The Pope Of White Trash Is there such a thing? What is the basis for the assumption? See the following articles… www.equip.org/article/is-there-a-gay-gene/ www.equip.org/article/say-gay-friend-says-born-way/#christian-books-1 www.equip.org/article/sexual-orientation-change-efforts-whats-repaired/
I will not listen to another mid of this people that are born intersects are not born intersex because of sin. That goes against even the Bible where they said who sinned this man's mother or his father or whatever? How do you know God did not actually intend for some people to be born intersex?
I don't think he meant sin as in sin of the person or their parents. More like, we live in a fallen world that has suffering and illness because of sin existing, not that it's someone's fault or someone's specific sin. People don't get cancer because they sin, but it exists because we are in a broken world, it's the same thing.
I agree thst this is a consequence of living in a fallen world! In order to make the right decision in cases like these where assigning a gender becomes necessary, what length of time should be taken before it is decided? That wasn't made clear... Lina
The length of time to determine the sex is...... the age at which the intersex person decides they want to choose. God will reveal his plan for that person if we let him, instead of finishing a job (through surgery) that we think he forgot to finish.
This guy isn't qualified to even answer this question. The percentage of intersex people is about the same percentage as green eyed people. He makes big talk about how decisions shouldn't be made for kids, but totally contradicts it by ignoring that intersex people often have medical surgeries and treatments forced on them as children before they even know the ramifications of what is being done to them. Shame on you, Hank; you speak with a forked tongue and promote deceit.
This did irritate me but it's life but I do agree that God only created a male and a female men born men and women born women which it for most is based on their sex biology typical women has XX chromosomes with female sexual anatomy and men has XY chromosomes with male sexual anatomy. Now people who were born intersex they have a range of developmental in any of their sex characteristics having conditions such as androgen insensitivity syndrome, la de chapelle syndrome or 46,XX/46,XY karyotype which it's either chimerism or mosaicism etc
@Julia-ov6wm Yes. There are chromosomal anomalies that are generally taken into consideration when there is gender ambiguity. Nothing about that contradicts Hank's response in the video. But appreciate the quick rundown what encompasses intersex.
This is so sad because again as I keep writing in so many post here on TH-cam. SOME PEOPLE WWE BORN INTERSEX WHICH IS NOT THEIR FAULT. IT'S THE WAY GOD CREATED THEM BUT MOST CHRISTIANS WON'T EVEN ACCEPT LIKE JESUS SAID CLEARLY ABOUT EUNUCHS. THIS IS SAD AND JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW IGNORANT SOME SELF-CALLED MEN OF GOD ARE WHO ARE NOT BECAUSE IF YOU WERE, YOU WOULD BE TEACHING THIS IN YOUR CHURCH AND HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE BORN THIS WAY AND THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES THAT BUT SINCE CHURCHES ARE NOT TRYKHY/TRULY ID CHRIST NOONE IS GOING TO LEARN THIS. THIS IS WHY I FOLLOW GOD ON MY OWN OR IF I SPEAK TO ANOTHRT BELIEVER ITS FROM A DISTANCE.. I DON'T NEED IGNORANCE IN MY LIFE!
Nice try. The Bible says God made us male or female. God, however, nowhere in the Bible, says how many limbs he made us with at birth. God never said that we would all be able to see or hear at birth. God never said we would be perfect at birth with no defects. God, however, did say that we are created male or female. So your arguments are not biblically supported. At best, you are going outside of the Bible to try and explain something the Bible never addressed, and then try to make it all look biblical. God makes no mistakes. If a person is intersex. God made them that way. I find it funny that being intersex is seen as a mutation to some, but otherwise ok, but being born gay is not.
@DigitallySaved Not certain on how you can come to that conclusion. Nothing suggest that God created a third, fourth, or more sexual genders beyond male and female. So the intersex issue is not that God has purposed another gender. Gender ambiguity does occur, but genders can be determined. See www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-biblical-ethics-apply-to-hermaphrodites/ and www.equip.org/articles/sexual-identity-and-the-biblical-philosophy-of-gender/ and www.equip.org/articles/the-inner-and-outer-man-how-historical-christian-anthropology-addresses-transgenderism/
What about Genesis saying God made them male and female in the image of God He made them? Yes it’s result of sin nature to have maladies. This is very rare condition so why bring it up in discussion on transgender pronouns? It’s is because they are assigning gender?
@Tiffany Steen - Glad you asked. Often the socio-political debate on enforcing “pronouns,” with respect to transgender and the struggle with gender dysphoria, the issue of those born intersex. Whether genital ambiguity, chromosomal anomalies (XXX, XXY, etc.), and so forth, is brought to the discussion table, as if the phenomenon can lend credence to the controversial story of gender fluidity. Not convincing evidence for gender fluidity but something that is raised in the pronoun debate. See the full article on hermaphrodites here… www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-biblical-ethics-apply-to-hermaphrodites/ Also check out www.equip.org/article/unending-bending-gender-helpful-harmful/ and www.equip.org/article/bathroom-bills-basic-beliefs-article/ Often the socio-political debate on enforcing “pronouns,” with respect to transgender and the struggle with gender dysphoria, the issue of those born intersex. Whether genital ambiguity, chromosomal anomalies (XXX, XXY, etc.), and so forth, is brought to the discussion table, as if the phenomenon can lend credence to the controversial story of gender fluidity. Not convincing evidence for gender fluidity but something that is raised in the pronoun debate. See the full article on hermaphrodites here… www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-biblical-ethics-apply-to-hermaphrodites/ Also check out www.equip.org/article/unending-bending-gender-helpful-harmful/ and www.equip.org/article/bathroom-bills-basic-beliefs-article/
Surgical "interventions" on infants and children when nothing is really wrong with them is cruel and unethical.
Some people with this wish it was done on them. I'm not saying it's okay, because not everyone has the same opinion.
@@greyiris906 it should only be done with that person's consent though, not when they're babies and can't speak for themselves, especially if nothing is really wrong with them.
@@ninibugg6203 but something is wrong with them. just because you're born with something doesn't mean it's a good thing. Biologically your still male or fem
@@greyiris906 okay, but that's like saying that someone born with an extra finger or extra toe HAS to get surgery, because something is "wrong" with them. However, it's their decision to get that extra finger surgically removed, not anyone else. Just like it's intersex's peoples' decision to get their extra sex genitalia removed.
Christians do not know how to answer this question, and they are so prideful that instead of admitting they do not know, that try to explain away what that do not know 😂
God makes no mistakes. Let them be.
The best decision is not doing anything and wait until the child grows old enough to take this decision on their own.
I agree with this children should not be going under surgery making life altering decision
Firstly, I'm a very conservative Christian. I dont agree with this "answer" to how would you answer someone like that. The question is not about LGBTQ. Its about a real chromosomal medical condition. I would tell that person that God loves him and guide him to God's love and try to lead him to salvation. I wouldn't be vain to explain something I don't understand. My job as a Christian is to live a Christian life, lead others to Christ, and defend the faith. Not to tell someone their medical condition is rare. Imagine telling a person born with no legs that God created man with legs and that thier comdition is rare?
@ashleyabdelmalak8278 Thanks for expressing your concern.
Hank is acknowledging intersex is a real medical condition rooted in chromosomal anomalies. God does love them. They live in a sinful fallen world (hence the intersex issues), and need of a Savior. (Intersex is rare since it occurs only in a minute number of instances.)
But, the Christian can never simply buy into the mythos that the occurrence of intersex is the evidence for gender fluidity. The question is about LGBTQ because the LGBTQ keeps exploiting the intersex to champion the myth of gender fluidity and to denounce gender being rooted in biology.
Intersex is addressed in this episode of Hank Unplugged w/ Benjamin Cabe.
not rare at all actually. Just kept quiet.
I was born intersex.. I got ovaries, uterus but male genitalia. I don't produce semen but was brought up male by my christian family. However I have always looked female and have bone structure, female features. I get periods but don't bleed. I'm christian and love Jesus with all my heart but it can be hard when allot of christians don't understand what intersex is. I consider myself female and live as female though my family disagree mainly cause they picked me as male.. issue I find is I feel female inside and out medically and I feel jesus knows me as female but at birth we can't pick how we are brought up so it can be a issue with family. I also have autism.
you have cah, you are female
alisha, menstrual retention is potentially very harmful. God would want you to make an opening to drain the plumbing, I believe. but I'm not intersex, so take my eords with a grain of salt
talk to a specialist on these things
Love you sis! Praying you find your way with Yeshua.
Well it might be fine bec in heaven u won’t even have a gender
It is sad that many christians feel the humans need to fit in neat little boxes based on what does or does not dangle between someones legs. Wonderful and fearfully made are we. God knew us in the womb. He intricately knit us. Just because he made man and woman in the very beginning, does not mean he made other variations. Saying intersex birth is a result of sin and a broken world blankets the intersex community with guilt and shame. It starts with us to change this approach and welcome the intersex community with open arms. Not fear and speculation based on differences.
almost everything in the modern world is a result of sin, so intersex people having shame and guilt would be irrational. I mean even death is something that is a result of sin, should everyone feel shame and guilt because they are going to die. the idea you are presenting is irrational
I just do not know what to do I'm just trying to get help I need for understanding why I'm intersex and who wants to be friends with a freak like me lol
@@Electricc__I disagree. I truly believe that god knows our hearts, our bodies and soul. He himself said he does not make mistakes. He made intersex HUMAN BEINGS for a reason and one day when we are in heaven he will tell us or we will know. I pray to him as I say this to help me understand. I don’t think it’s a disorder nor a burden. God loves his humans and the devil is trying to make us believe that we aren’t made correctly. It’s not that we were born incorrectly. God does not make people incorrectly, I myself have a physical facial “defect” but he healed my face in the womb and I still have the “defect” inside my body. I was not born wrong, I love that I have something different about myself that most people don’t have. A lot of doctors have said they have never seen it before which I find very cool. I may not be intersexual that I know of but I am different. So are they. We were all made in love by god and beauty in his eyes just as the world was made in the likeness of heaven. Don’t take that away from people because you also feel that sins from our ancestors are somehow put on us. Our sins are after we are born and when we cannot truly sin until puberty because we do not know what we are doing until puberty. We are pure which is why most women feel shame come over them after they get their first period. That is a women’s sin as the Bible puts it because of Eve. What did the men get because of Adam? Eve was beguiled by the devil, or as some like to say the serpent but Adam knew better and blamed Eve. Just because god made man and women as the first humans does not mean that intersex people were made from sin. Sometimes I feel as though god laughs at our own questioning because he has given us the answers in the Bible and no where in the Bible does it say that intersexual people were made because of sin.
@@Lilsoso19God never makes mistakes, but He can use our mistakes for His glory and our good, even when we dont understand or intend them. In Heaven though we are reunited to the Lord and no more tears or pain.
Being intersex is not who you are, everyone was born into sinful world, and born into sinful flesh. Being intersex isnt a sin, it jus shows that we live in a world corrupted.
Jus like how i have autism.. yes i have brain problems, each gender man and woman have their own problems that come just like intersex. No matter what though GOD can use you
This is like so many other matters of human sexuality is very complex and there is no easy answers or quick solutions. There are at least 30 different manifestation of intersexualism each having to be addressed on an individual basis. Some born like this wish not to have any surgery and many who were "assigned" a gender as babies feel wrong in their bodies. In some instances surgery is not an option voluntarily or otherwise. The truth is there is no clear biblical reference for this issue. I wonder what was done in ancient times when there were no hormonal test or any way to look into the body to examine sexual function. It angers me that the church can not admit when there is no biblical answer for an issue such as this one and just throw around non-applicable scripture.
Good points to raise. Yet, there are still biblical principles which can inform the biology and psychology of the issue. Please check out the following...
www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-biblical-ethics-apply-to-hermaphrodites/
www.equip.org/articles/the-transsexual-dilemma/
www.equip.org/article/unending-bending-gender-helpful-harmful/
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@@BibleAnswerMan transexual dilemma? Intersex has nothing to do with anything trans. Why do you and your boss insist on treating these issues as one when they’re clearly different? It really gives off a lack of empathy vibe in my opinion…
1 of 1500 are born with this condition; that is not extremely rare to me. I believe parents should wait until they pass through the toddler years before assigning a sex.
Let the child decide when they are of age!!!
1 in 1500 to one in 2000 births is not "extrememly rare" and why does he keep saying that phrase over and over again?
These people above all else need our love and support.
They are "extremely rare" in the sense they are exceptional cases. Many parents do make difficult decisions when biological gender is difficult to determine in their child, but many more parents can know their child's biological gender without any ambiguities.
Hank further expounds on the intersex in the following... www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-biblical-ethics-apply-to-hermaphrodites/
See also the following related articles on gender dysphoria...
www.equip.org/articles/the-transsexual-dilemma/
www.equip.org/article/unending-bending-gender-helpful-harmful/
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f you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births [0.07-0.05%]. But a lot more people than that are born with subtler forms of sex anatomy variations, some of which won't show up until later in life.[
It's actually more like 1 in 99,000
@@greyiris906 fr?
It’s 1 in 3,000. This is the percentage put forth by those pushing gender fluidity.
.......but isn't the surgeries forced on infants also considered a gender reassignment? Think before you speak.
Not rare,I'm one and till now I'm single like my aunt with the same condition.
me too
@Jessica Webb intersex has a unique set of issues for the relationship end of things
@Jessica Webb i'm in ky and live in a town with your last name i wonder if your related
@Jessica Webb do you have facebook?
I'll try to find you might have mutual friends
It's not new we have been swept under the rug for thousands of years making us taboo and even killing us i don't know how i survived and went unnoticed for all these years but i thank God Jesus said clearly that God changed his mind and his blood was for all who acknowledge that He is our salvation he died once and for all not once and for most also we are not to judge each other and religion is doing something over and over anything we do over and over is done religiously like how people hate each other religiously , Gods teaching is to love to love unconstitutionally without ever casting stones or daring to sit in his glorious throne remember God is love Love is Jesus you nor I cant have one without the other for how you judge he will judge but God himself has abolished all that is sin even death itself all we have to do is love unconstitutionally i know it clear in my hearts that he is our salvation and that humans need to love period and that the bible does fall in to hateful hands to hurt you and God do not put fear in me that he is love and no signs will be seen he is risen he has already been here and is here he is that love that allows me to love for he is the air i breath he is every where around us which is why the earth is round not flat as the loveless and ignorant once claim it to be don't fear God he said fear them who are still without me without him is death but in his love is eternal life we die like seeds yet another life is born because he allows and what allows in love God allows with zero hate belongs to him who has already been risen ; hell is what a person makes out of choice anger and hate and then they find themselves alone but when we give our hearts to God without judgement he Jesus is our company makes a way, just believe in his salvation and he is that salvation that he is real like a new life is born love is pure like Jesus and realize that the bible has been changed to many times by human hands that even so every body knows his name and our open hearts to him unconditionally is wisdom and his and grave has been empty he conquered death so with this in Gods love i implore you earthly judgers to open your eyes to how love grows only when we put our hate to death as God has conquered it by his blood by never ever stepping into this earth or any world in hate but to be a light and speak life into life not death he is risen glory to Jesus Hallelujah!
It's not that rare, and I guess you have to experience it to broaden your knowledge.
actually it is it just might be common around you.
You can ask someone who has never met one and have them ask around their community and you'll see how rare it is.
1 in 3,000 is rare
1.7 % of the population is intersex. That’s as many people that have red hair! That’s not that rare...
It's not that rare. You need to do some research.
Why does he think it's a disorder? Being intersex is not an illness.
The redefinition of gender really generates more problems than solutions for those struggling with sexual identity. This is addressed in the following articles >
www.equip.org/articles/the-transsexual-dilemma/
www.equip.org/article/unending-bending-gender-helpful-harmful/
@@BibleAnswerMan trans and intersex are different
@@BibleAnswerMan redefinition of gender? Man are you guys purposely gaslighting or just doing it accidentally? Critical thinking is imperative here
Please forgive me if this story is considered inappropriate within this context? Whether anyone considers themselves christian or not, may I please include some extra nuance to your conversation? I have no intention of attempting any kind of evangelization in my contribution, I would however like to supply some extra dimensión to the discourse. To advance some concepts I would like to present some quotes.
First:
Isa 56:4-5 KJV 4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Second:
Mat 19:11-12 KJV 11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Third:
Act 8:26-40 KJV which I consider too long to be quoted here.
I would love to note first that the term eunuch in these quotes seems to be defined by the Lord Jesus himself to include intersex individuals (eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb). Unwilling (some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men) and willing (eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs) individuals appear similarly defined.
May I also note the quote (unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters). I am aware that original Hebrew literally is translated "a hand and a name" greater than of sons and of daughters. I am, however, quite intrigued by the implications that eunuchs are given recognition separate from sons and from daughters.
I consider myself to be a eunuch (trans). I am not exactly a son and not exactly a daughter. I have a woefully masculine face and physique but I am definitely not a son (AMAB MTF post SRS (GCS)). Therefore I do not fit in sons' spaces or daughters' spaces.
I have immersed myself in the philosophical, psychological, political and theological literature and media for a significant portion of seven decades and conclude that I am physically, politically, perceptually and theologically non-binary. Psychologically, I have identified as female since the age of two or three but diligent discipline discouraged any hint or discussion of my feminine identity or behavior. My ideal puberty would have included hormone blockers until a legally acceptable age to begin HRT and GCS (SRS) and then as nearly normal womanhood as attainable.
In actuality, the diligent discipline has induced my voluntary celibacy and perception that I have been insidiously gaslighted and have a subtle incidence of complex traumatic stress disorder by the dismissing, ignoring, denying and suppressing of my gender identity.
I hope my comments and the quotes are discovered to be beneficial. I pray that nothing is found to be triggering because my intent was to be somehow loving, compassionate and empathetic to each and everyone. If you have deigned to read this entire comment, thank you much!
I have had similar thoughts.
I do believe the bible speaks to those who don't have a clear sex identity. I know many people don't like this view, but I think anyone who is confused sexually or isn't clear about their gender identity should obstain from marriage. The bible said it's better to remain unmarried. You have so much more time to devote to the kingdom of God when you don't have a spouse and children to worry about. You are less tied down to this world in general. And honestly, God is not male or female and neither are the angels. When we are resurrected there will be no more marriage or sex. Maybe there won't even be gender either?
Matt. 22:33 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
I also believe contrary to popular conservative christian rhetoric that people are born with homosexual attractions. It is not always a learned trait. But we are all born with a corrupted flesh that wants to sin in some sort of way. No one ever taught me how to lie. I was born a liar, but I had to be born again.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
When people hear that something is wrong with them and that they can't do whatever pleases them, it is offensive and they usually don't accept this. They take it as an attack on who they are as a person instead of repenting and realizing their own brokenness.
John 3:19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
I truly feel for those who are born intersex. I can't even imagine how difficult it would be to be uncertain about your sex or gender. But thankfully this is a temporary issue in light of eternity. Those who are in Christ will one day be made whole physically and spiritually and there will be no more suffering, confusion, or pain.
I've never viewed the eunuchs in such a manner before. I have been studying the Bible, but admittedly any mention of castration or mutilation has made me uncomfortable. It has even been a debate between myself and my significant other for our future male children. I would want them to choose to circumcise themselves instead of it being done for them, but my spouse disagrees. It's always so interesting how culture and religion intermingle with one another.
I just think trans and intersex should be discussed separately
@@tylerdavis520 Yes. There is only Male and Female, the term intersex is misleading. They are still either male or female, it just a Man with no penis and female genetalia, but its still a Man and will have male skeletal structure. And other way around.
If 1 in 1500 are born this way, there are close to 5 million intersex people in the world. That’s rare, but it’s also a lot of people. The fallen-world argument makes sense. But few other abnormalities at birth present an equivalent moral dilemma. I agree with not allowing an abnormality to determine doctrine, but many people still need to know how to respond to this type of situation. We know it’s abnormal because the Bible teaches that we should either be male or female. But so many are born with various abnormalities who are loved as much as anyone else, and people born intersex should be loved the same. While I agree with ideas expressed in this video, it feels like the solution presented is to just pick a gender for those faced with the dilemma or to ignore this type of situation for those who can do so. Maybe, not worrying about it will work for some who will never face this situation; but that won’t work for many. I would hate to have to choose a gender for someone. What if you made the wrong choice? And I don’t really believe that having cared and done ones best is adequate consolation for those whose gender may have been chosen incorrectly. And the fallen-world argument tells us that fallen people are the ones who make such decisions when they are made, and that means that devastatingly wrong decisions are frequently made. While I agree with principled ideas in this video, I find it lacking in any practical advice for those who have to face this kind of situation. But in all fairness, I don’t have a better answer.
Yeah the video was next to worthless for guidance. Seems like the best option would be to delay surgeries for as long as possible unless medically necessary
I 100% disagree with the fallen argument. When you say that we are assuming that god never intended for somebody to be intersex. I don't think we can speak on god's behalf. God makes all in his image and I highly doubt that is about our physical characteristics. It would be spiritual, our soul.
The person who felt their father had choose wrong, was biologically in between male and female. So if gender is tied to biology how should this person do?
Also, i agree gender is toed to biology, i simply mean this specific case
Wait until the child is older
Being intersex is only as rare as having red hair. Are you going to emphasize how having red hair is an EXTREMELY rare condition? That's also around 150 million people.
Not really seeing answers here about the the matter at hand. A fallen world is not really an answer. Why would God allow this to happen and in his doctrine separate male and female. There is no interference from humans to enable this situation. Please can we also stop saying it is rare. Rare or not it is still happening.
So would you address that person however they ask to be addressed? Like if they grow up feeling more like a female and decide they want to be referred to as she and her, as a Christian we should do that right?
@jackieortiz316 Interesting that we are so caught up on mere "pronouns." But that misses the elephant in the room. See Hank's video: th-cam.com/video/fT0XO5lHq-Y/w-d-xo.html
This was insightful. Thanks for sharing a new perspective. Now there is controversy about transgender people having sex reassignment surgeries. People say that is is wrong on the basis that God made everyone in his image. Now would someone who was born with female and male organs have to live with both for the rest of their life, since sex changes are wrong? I agree with when you said making a decision like this needs to consider multiple factors and you said neurological. Our minds are constantly develop and people can regret choosing a specific sex. is it best to just live with it without changing the way you were born? I’m not sure but these are just questions that I think about. At the end of the day, we are all human no matter what’s in between our legs
Surgeries can be done later with the child’s input if the parents are brave enough to support, I’d imagine. Seems like the chromosomes, the genitals, the body type, the hormones would all play a factor in making such decisions but I’m just thinking out loud…
I Believe the parents should pray to God and seek counsel from Him before assigning a gender if they are born this way, kind of like the way God sealed Joseph lips before he named Jesus and John the Baptist...We should always seek God in big decisions like this z showing Him that we trust Him in all situations in our lives 🙏🏽💞❤️🔥💯☝🏽
@SD_Chosen Good advice.
So many people are saying this isn’t rare in the comments. Rare means not occurring very often if less than 2% of the population is intersex THEN IT DOESN’T OCCUR VERY OFTEN! Geesh..Use a dictionary people
Redheads have the same statistical probability, yet we acknowledge and accept them as a valid hair color. Why not accept and validate intersex?
I think the point is that we are talking about millions of people, not just a handful. This creates an issue when the church ignores it and doesn't educate people so that we can properly reach out to those with this condition.
To everyone who keeps saying it’s not rare. It is very very rare. Your 1.7 prevalence came from Anne Fausto-Sterling who included Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia which are not recognized as intersex. A more accurate estimate is about 0.018%.
Even if one person was intersex, we should take into account their experience. But there are millions and millions throughout history and in today's time.
Hanegraff says a lot and then again...says nothing at all that is substantial. The primary questions I have are: [1] why would a perfect God even allow this to occur since it would cause the person to likely be very confused about their sexual identity, and [2] according to scripture, who are they allowed to marry? OK, there are no answers from the Bible that can truthfully answer these questions. This is a reason why I left Christianity because the bottom line is this question has no answer from a biblical viewpoint.
Why do children get molested and abused? Why are people born with all sorts of abnormalities? Why are there awful wars going on every day? Sin.
Eveything in this life is fallen. Nothing is perfect. We all face different challenges because of this, although some seem to face harder obstacles than others. This is how I know that Christianity is true. This world is so broken and needs a savior. All of creation groans to be restored.
Rom. 8:21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.
Having that said, I do believe the bible speaks to those who don't have a clear sex identity. I know many people don't like this view, but I think anyone who is confused sexually or isn't clear about their gender identity should obstain from marriage. The bible said it's better to remain unmarried. You have so much more time to devote to the kingdom of God when you don't have a spouse and children to worry about. You are less tied down to this world in general. And honestly, God is not male or female and neither are the angels. When we are resurrected there will be no more marriage or sex. Maybe there won't even be gender either?
Matt. 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Isaiah 56:4 For thus says the Lord,
“To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial,
And a name better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off.
Matt. 19:10 The disciples *said to Him, “If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry.”11 But He said to them, “Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it.”
I also believe contrary to popular conservative christian rhetoric that people are born with homosexual attractions. It is not always a learned trait. But we are all born with a corrupted flesh that wants to sin in some sort of way. No one ever taught me how to lie. I was born a liar, but I had to be born again.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
When people hear that something is wrong with them and that they can't do whatever pleases them, it is offensive and they usually don't accept this. They take it as an attack on who they are as a person instead of repenting and realizing their own brokenness.
John 3:19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
I truly feel for those who are born intersex. I can't even imagine how difficult it would be to be uncertain about your sex or gender. But thankfully this is a temporary issue in light of eternity. Those who are in Christ will one day be made whole physically and spiritually and there will be no more suffering, confusion, or pain.
@@rh10033 : I agree with you for the most part . If someone is born intersex they deserve to have a fulfilling sex life just like anyone else. They are born with both male and female parts so no one can judge them for their choice in partners.
You really have no idea what you’re talking about.
It’s usually decided shortly after birth. The drs and parents decide based on the tests performed.
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it’s the same rarity of red heads please please do research. also please do not say that some things are a result of a fallen world because we do not truly know.
i will not lie that would be really hard to answer
But GOD gave this person a soul if this person chose to keep both sexes, will GOD save that person?
It's just something God doesn't likes, so if you truly love God you should choose.
of course He will save you
@@nonr.2347 how to chose?
Isaiah 56:3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will surely separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
4 For thus says the Lord,
“To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial,
And a name better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off.
@@nonr.2347 so God makes people with two sexes but wants them to choose?
So basically you’re saying they were born deformed and no it isn’t rare.
1 in 1500 - 2000 births.
Approximately 1.7% are born with some version of intersex traits. It’s rare but not that rare. About the same rate of people with naturally red hair.
@CJB787 Where did you get the 1.7%? More like 0.018%.
That percentage is based upon redefinition of terms so the results appear greater than the topic of research. It is a shifting of the goal posts.
See NIMH abstract...
Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female. Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%, almost 100 times lower than Fausto-Sterling s estimate of 1.7%.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/
Why let someone else decide what a child will be. Let the child grow up and the adult hermaphrodite decide for themselves to either live their life as a man or as a woman as they so choose. They live as a man or as a woman one or the other but, not as both. Hermaphroditism has been around since long before Christ. The apostle Paul spokeof them. It is just that they had to live hidden away in secret because they were so terribly persecuted. I had a 14 year old ancestor who was burned at the stake by the local church , accused of being a demon. She/he was burned at the stake after being discovered by midwives in child birth. Paul said"As for those who are born both man and as a woman are innocent, for they were born that way. It is right after he says homosexuality is an abomination. Most people over look this verse because they don't understand it. For a doctor to decide a baby , as one of these, to decide they childs sexual preference is absolutely criminal!Most of the time the get it wrong and the child suffers their entire life because of someone else's "God" complex!
Where did Paul speak about them?
Verse please?🙏🏽
@@SD_Chosen I can't remember. When I get out of the nursing home I plan to do a video on it though.
It averages out to the same amount of people born tntersxex are the same as the amount of people born with red hair. Do your research people. It's not rare and it's not called hermaphrodite. I'm so thankful these people don't get to judge!!!
I love how this man just keeps on saying how rare the situation is and avoids answering the actual question… how in the world do you tell a person who is living such a traumatic experience all their lives that they are only in this terrible situation because we are living in a fallen world?????I do not care how rare the situation is…telling 130,000 (that rare 2% you were talking about) people experiencing this condition that it came from a fallen world and claiming this to be “biblical” is a terrible idea. Horrible idea bruh!!!Not very Christian like either. How cruel, insensitive, and downright irresponsible for you or anyone else to be handling this particular situation. And this is exactly why I do not trust the “Christian Community” any longer… Remember this today if you remember anything else… to offend even one person IS SIN and you sir are offensive to those suffering in this confusion with your lose tongue. If our world has “fallen” as you say it has…. it truly is on account of those proclaiming the word of God over these kinds of sensitive matters. To offend even one person in the name “Of God” is why people hate God in the first place. How about we put people first by loving and proclaiming the truth in love and not by your standards of what you “think” God thinks….
I promise You do not think like God, if you did this world would be fallen in deed!!!
Just exactly what I needed to hear at Quarantine. Disliked. 😂 😂
It’s as common as being Russian or redheaded
@afloragrove well that is a fallacious equivocation. Gender is a distinct category from hair color or regional association. So, lots of male and female redheads and lots of male and female people from Russia. Whether intersex is common is an exaggeration of the evidence. Even in births were there are anomalies, very often the gender of the newborn is easily determined. See www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-biblical-ethics-apply-to-hermaphrodites/ Also check out the interview w/ Benjamin Cabe.
I was told i was going to hell by a Christian because im intersex and still being able to have kids
@Raynas vlogs the person who said that was misinformed. Possible non-Christian. The undiscerning consignment to hell certainly unchristian.
See this article www.equip.org/articles/unending-bending-gender-helpful-harmful/
Listen also to the interview with Benjamin Cabe www.equip.org/hank-unplugged-podcast-and-shorts/does-your-soul-have-a-gender-an-exploration-of-sex-gender-and-the-soul-ben-cabe/
And check out www.equip.org/articles/what-happened-to-the-word-woman/
How can you go to hell because God created you in his image, he made you perfect in every way. He is the creator, the earthly Artist. He made Adam a wife from his Rib and made a woman. Women are both male and female, we were made from Man Adam, so you are exactly his perfect creation in every way, I wish people would read the Bible better 😊❤❤❤❤ God Bless you the creator makes no mistakes, the ones who questions his creation as fault make a mistake. Embrace your beauty, stay extra blessed.
We pray we pray
its called being a hermaphrodite and theres a god for us as well in the greek patheon of mythology and we arent rare
Hermaphroditus
I often wonder if it's about the self control of a persons sexual desires and not soo much the genitalia. There are folks who can't make babies physically. Folks get married to opposite gender and still get it wrong. Don't treat each other properly or love properly and are just as sinful. Getting divorce etc...the homosexuality in the Bible was often abusive and lustful. People loving same gender today may not even participate in sex but still love and want to share their life with someone. How is that sinful??
God bless your soul!
I believe if one is able to bare a child in this case then they are indeed a female. :) God free gift of grace saves us through faith not works. So smile God Loves You.
And if every part of them outwardly looks male? Christians will be unbelievably hard on them
Male are all female during the early stage of pregnancy so this is not surprising.
I do not like the advice that was given, when dealing with intersex people first you just look at the person, a person made in the image of God, period.
I feel like in the first minute of this that this video, while it may be biological truth is really insensitive. I get tired of people talking religiously on this stuff that have no experience with it.. How can you really tell somebody how God feels when they're born inner sex? When you haven't taken the time to understand what. It? Means to be a person born intersex. This is not a black and white issue.
So Clownfish and other animals are sinners because they adapt their gender biologiacally to survive?! 🤔
@carlitoscolonsalva That is non-sequitur. Whereas you can have certain creatures can reproduce asexually (like amphibians) others are hermaphroditic (like Clownfish), nothing of that is natural to humans.
@@BibleAnswerMan whatever you say. Keep your head inside just one book.
This man lacks humanity, Christianity, and facts.
Intersex and 🏳️⚧️ transgender people are completely different, you can’t compare them. Transgender are biological male or female regardless the transition and intersex have both gender and don’t feel the need to transition.
The question was, how should christians treat truly intersexed people? This was not answered
@whatevs8208 Hank does address specifically the intersex situation in the view. What was missed? See also this article for clarification: www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-biblical-ethics-apply-to-hermaphrodites/
@@BibleAnswerMan thanks for the reply, I clicked the link and “no post found”
@whatevs8208 hmm the link works this end.
Here is the full text to www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-biblical-ethics-apply-to-hermaphrodites/
How do biblical ethics apply to hermaphrodites?
By Hank Hanegraaff
The term hermaphrodite is derived from joining the name of the Greek god Hermes with the Greek goddess Aphrodite. Today hermaphroditism is appropriately referred to as “intersex” or as a “disorder of sex development” (DSD). Regardless of the term used, confusion about how to respond to this disorder reigns.
First, intersex refers to the rare condition of individuals who are born with both male and female reproductive organs and sex glands and, in even rarer cases, both XX and XY chromosomes. The medical treatment for this disorder involves the surgical and hormonal “assignment” of gender, which ideally should be made on the basis of all the relevant factors (e.g., chromosomal, neural, psychological, behavioral, and the like). If there is reasonable certainty that a medical mistake was made in the assignment of gender, it would not be beyond biblical bounds to prayerfully consider reassignment. As with the treatment of any rare disorder, gender assignment is complex and subject to human error; thus, it is crucial to seek the most competent biblical and medical counsel.
Furthermore, being born with genetic, psychological, or hormonal abnormalities is no more license for sexual sin than being born with violent tendencies is license for violence. Thus, if a same-sex attraction develops, celibacy and singleness-as opposed to homosexual licentiousness-is the proper response (cf. 1 Corinthians 7:8). Indeed, anyone suffering from gender confusion should not pursue marriage until the confusion has been biblically resolved. Though this may seem harsh, it is no different from the requirement placed on all believers to die to sin and live for righteousness through the power of Christ and the help of the Holy Spirit (Romans 6).
Finally, it is crucial to recognize that all disorders, diseases, deformities, decay, and death ultimately result from the fall. While sin, suffering, and sickness are present realities, we have the certain promise that “in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose” (Romans 8:28).
Now as Jesus passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth. And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.”
John 9:1-3 NKJV
Basically he just contradicted himself. The guy in question was wrongly raised by his parents as male despite being intersexed and feeling female. So if a correction cannot take place, until an adult you need a gender change as an adult. And if he thinks intersexed people are new he is a fool. A genetic trait , and that it what we are talking about does not just randomly start happening. Every ancient religion apart from abrahamic ones acknowledges genetic and gender diversity. Not once did he say treat such people with compassion which I think is what Jesus would have done.
@sashamellon822 What examples are there showing every religions save Abrahamic ones held to genetic and gender diversity? Skeptical of that assertion.
So what about the gay brain ?
@The Pope Of White Trash Is there such a thing? What is the basis for the assumption? See the following articles…
www.equip.org/article/is-there-a-gay-gene/
www.equip.org/article/say-gay-friend-says-born-way/#christian-books-1
www.equip.org/article/sexual-orientation-change-efforts-whats-repaired/
It’s not rare😂😂
Damn is it not? Y’all seeing too many parts 😂😂😂
I will not listen to another mid of this people that are born intersects are not born intersex because of sin.
That goes against even the Bible where they said who sinned this man's mother or his father or whatever?
How do you know God did not actually intend for some people to be born intersex?
I don't think he meant sin as in sin of the person or their parents. More like, we live in a fallen world that has suffering and illness because of sin existing, not that it's someone's fault or someone's specific sin. People don't get cancer because they sin, but it exists because we are in a broken world, it's the same thing.
I agree thst this is a consequence of living in a fallen world!
In order to make the right decision in cases like these where assigning a gender becomes necessary, what length of time should be taken before it is decided? That wasn't made clear... Lina
The length of time to determine the sex is...... the age at which the intersex person decides they want to choose.
God will reveal his plan for that person if we let him, instead of finishing a job (through surgery) that we think he forgot to finish.
This guy isn't qualified to even answer this question. The percentage of intersex people is about the same percentage as green eyed people. He makes big talk about how decisions shouldn't be made for kids, but totally contradicts it by ignoring that intersex people often have medical surgeries and treatments forced on them as children before they even know the ramifications of what is being done to them. Shame on you, Hank; you speak with a forked tongue and promote deceit.
Yeah it was a horrible answer
This did irritate me but it's life but I do agree that God only created a male and a female men born men and women born women which it for most is based on their sex biology typical women has XX chromosomes with female sexual anatomy and men has XY chromosomes with male sexual anatomy. Now people who were born intersex they have a range of developmental in any of their sex characteristics having conditions such as androgen insensitivity syndrome, la de chapelle syndrome or 46,XX/46,XY karyotype which it's either chimerism or mosaicism etc
@Julia-ov6wm Yes. There are chromosomal anomalies that are generally taken into consideration when there is gender ambiguity. Nothing about that contradicts Hank's response in the video. But appreciate the quick rundown what encompasses intersex.
@@BibleAnswerMan yep that is exactly true I agree :D
This is so sad because again as I keep writing in so many post here on TH-cam. SOME PEOPLE WWE BORN INTERSEX WHICH IS NOT THEIR FAULT. IT'S THE WAY GOD CREATED THEM BUT MOST CHRISTIANS WON'T EVEN ACCEPT LIKE JESUS SAID CLEARLY ABOUT EUNUCHS. THIS IS SAD AND JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW IGNORANT SOME SELF-CALLED MEN OF GOD ARE WHO ARE NOT BECAUSE IF YOU WERE, YOU WOULD BE TEACHING THIS IN YOUR CHURCH AND HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE BORN THIS WAY AND THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES THAT BUT SINCE CHURCHES ARE NOT TRYKHY/TRULY ID CHRIST NOONE IS GOING TO LEARN THIS. THIS IS WHY I FOLLOW GOD ON MY OWN OR IF I SPEAK TO ANOTHRT BELIEVER ITS FROM A DISTANCE.. I DON'T NEED IGNORANCE IN MY LIFE!
Then turn off your cap lock.
Nice try. The Bible says God made us male or female.
God, however, nowhere in the Bible, says how many limbs he made us with at birth. God never said that we would all be able to see or hear at birth.
God never said we would be perfect at birth with no defects.
God, however, did say that we are created male or female.
So your arguments are not biblically supported.
At best, you are going outside of the Bible to try and explain something the Bible never addressed, and then try to make it all look biblical.
God makes no mistakes. If a person is intersex. God made them that way.
I find it funny that being intersex is seen as a mutation to some, but otherwise ok, but being born gay is not.
@DigitallySaved Not certain on how you can come to that conclusion. Nothing suggest that God created a third, fourth, or more sexual genders beyond male and female. So the intersex issue is not that God has purposed another gender. Gender ambiguity does occur, but genders can be determined. See www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-biblical-ethics-apply-to-hermaphrodites/ and www.equip.org/articles/sexual-identity-and-the-biblical-philosophy-of-gender/ and www.equip.org/articles/the-inner-and-outer-man-how-historical-christian-anthropology-addresses-transgenderism/
It's not very rare at all and it is not due to sin!!!!!
@kelleyturner6584 No evidence for intersex being common.
What about Genesis saying God made them male and female in the image of God He made them? Yes it’s result of sin nature to have maladies. This is very rare condition so why bring it up in discussion on transgender pronouns? It’s is because they are assigning gender?
@Tiffany Steen - Glad you asked.
Often the socio-political debate on enforcing “pronouns,” with respect to transgender and the struggle with gender dysphoria, the issue of those born intersex. Whether genital ambiguity, chromosomal anomalies (XXX, XXY, etc.), and so forth, is brought to the discussion table, as if the phenomenon can lend credence to the controversial story of gender fluidity. Not convincing evidence for gender fluidity but something that is raised in the pronoun debate.
See the full article on hermaphrodites here… www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-biblical-ethics-apply-to-hermaphrodites/
Also check out www.equip.org/article/unending-bending-gender-helpful-harmful/ and www.equip.org/article/bathroom-bills-basic-beliefs-article/
Often the socio-political debate on enforcing “pronouns,” with respect to transgender and the struggle with gender dysphoria, the issue of those born intersex. Whether genital ambiguity, chromosomal anomalies (XXX, XXY, etc.), and so forth, is brought to the discussion table, as if the phenomenon can lend credence to the controversial story of gender fluidity. Not convincing evidence for gender fluidity but something that is raised in the pronoun debate.
See the full article on hermaphrodites here… www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-do-biblical-ethics-apply-to-hermaphrodites/
Also check out www.equip.org/article/unending-bending-gender-helpful-harmful/ and www.equip.org/article/bathroom-bills-basic-beliefs-article/
No your outside your expertise
🤪Goof
Didn't like this at all.