I love these discs but please consider this important note: When using these expo discs you should be aiming your lens AT THE LIGHT SOURCE(s) hitting your subject while placing the diffusion disk over the lens. This gives you the average color temperature of the combined light hitting your subject. Your method is reading the light behind the subject. This worked ok in your scenario because you were outdoors and the light is fairly even from all directions. This won't work in other scenarios, like for example if your subject has a colored backdrop behind them. Your camera would then white balance on the colored back drop.
While your method definitely seams to be working for you, I've heard it is a more complicated process. 1 - determine the placement of your subject and camera. 2 - take your camera and stand next to your subject. 3- aim your camera back where you will be taking the photo / video from, cover your lens with the filter, and finally snap the white balance reference photo. That way, your camera has averaged all the light that will be hitting the surface of your subject. 4- go back to where your will take the photo from and begin shooting. Lots of steps, but very accurate reading.
To be honest my steps just were: 1) Light your scene and place your camera where you want to start filming 2) take the white balance. That’s it. I never aimed the camera backwards (from the talent‘s position back to where I‘m filming from) like you mentioned. Why would this be necessary? Thanks for commenting!
@@foxesofthenorth yes that sounds correct. Of course the little plastic thing doesn’t magically measure the correct white balance, it just diffuses and mixes up all the colors of the scene you’re pointing your camera at. So if you have a set where the background is totally different from your foreground, it wouldn’t work very well.
One thing to keep in mind is you only want to do this with the keylight on. If you’re using different temps to light background / hair light etc then it’ll average out those different temps.
@@romdunn3022possibly but it depends, as usually the backlight/hair light etc won’t be shining on the white card - it’s typically just the key shining on the white card, but if you’re angle on the card is off, or if you’re using a coloured fill light then yeah you’re right it’ll be the same issue. The main thing is just to keep in mind that if you’re shooting in mix temps then you want to make sure you know which light you want to appear more neutral and take your reading from that.
Yeah, that's why I always shade my monitor when outdoors - at least to set white balance [what I prefer to call "color balance"]. I've been a video and TV pro for 25 years and believe me, setting a "correct" or accurate looking white balance even on professional video cameras in the late 1990s and early 2000's was often a GIANT pain in the butt [due to limitations of video sensor technology]. All that struggling did help me develop a fairly well calibrated eye at least. I'm SO glad modern cameras have so much more capability and flexibility regarding color balance :D@@RonaldKasper
Do you use this filter to set WB with the camera pointed towards the subject or from the subject pointing towards the light source/Camera position? I'm curious what you would recommend because I've heard both.
The problem is when you habe multiple lightsources in your shot with different colors. In this case you want to set the white balance for your subject and you habe to point the camera against the keylight. If that’s not the case I had good results when I just pointed at the subject
Could you tell me what it looks like in the back? Is it white or it's the same color and material? I wanna know if this Is it the same with ExpoDisc where the flipside of it is somewhat translucent white?
@@RonaldKasper I can’t remember, I just used it again today and it white balanced just fine, perhaps I had it too close to the lens when I was doing it at first
I got a question : did sony release an update for the fx6 with the same white balance option as the Fx3 ? (Oh and moving your camera in front of the the white card is not a good option since you're not going to have the same amount of light bouncing from the card to the lense wether your close or far)
I‘m not aware of an update where the white balance method of the FX6 is the same as on the Fx3. Have you heard of one, this would definitely be interesting
Hi! I couldn't find the exact same thing but here's a US-Link to something very similar. www.amazon.com/Kiorafoto-Professional-Correction-Temperature-Calibration/dp/B01B4GT7VG/ref=sr_1_2?crid=Q9I4GLQPMNZ6&keywords=white+balance+filter+jjc&qid=1686893461&sprefix=white+balance+filter+jj%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-2
@@RonaldKasper i want to transfer clips without cable. In LAN with FTP server. From thumbnail full menu you can order witch clips to transfer, but now the problem is that the menu is LOCK. I want to unlock the menu and do the transfer in LAN, may you tell me how? Thank you in advance, Ronald!
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I love these discs but please consider this important note: When using these expo discs you should be aiming your lens AT THE LIGHT SOURCE(s) hitting your subject while placing the diffusion disk over the lens. This gives you the average color temperature of the combined light hitting your subject. Your method is reading the light behind the subject. This worked ok in your scenario because you were outdoors and the light is fairly even from all directions. This won't work in other scenarios, like for example if your subject has a colored backdrop behind them. Your camera would then white balance on the colored back drop.
Yes that’s true if the subject is lit differently (different color temperature) than the background
@@RonaldKasper Exactly! On cases as you show in the interview example, you did use it correctly, looking to subject.
I bought this after wathcing your video, and used it for the first time yesterday. It's very useful!
Great, I‘m happy you like it!
I ordered one and am very curious to see how it works out for me.Great video,I’m glad you posted it I never would have found out about this filter.
Thanks for your comment! Yes I’m glad I found it as well, it really seems to make things a lot easier for me in the future.
That's crazy! *taking notes
While your method definitely seams to be working for you, I've heard it is a more complicated process. 1 - determine the placement of your subject and camera. 2 - take your camera and stand next to your subject. 3- aim your camera back where you will be taking the photo / video from, cover your lens with the filter, and finally snap the white balance reference photo. That way, your camera has averaged all the light that will be hitting the surface of your subject. 4- go back to where your will take the photo from and begin shooting. Lots of steps, but very accurate reading.
To be honest my steps just were:
1) Light your scene and place your camera where you want to start filming
2) take the white balance. That’s it.
I never aimed the camera backwards (from the talent‘s position back to where I‘m filming from) like you mentioned. Why would this be necessary? Thanks for commenting!
@@foxesofthenorth yes that sounds correct. Of course the little plastic thing doesn’t magically measure the correct white balance, it just diffuses and mixes up all the colors of the scene you’re pointing your camera at. So if you have a set where the background is totally different from your foreground, it wouldn’t work very well.
One thing to keep in mind is you only want to do this with the keylight on. If you’re using different temps to light background / hair light etc then it’ll average out those different temps.
Yes that’s totally correct 👍
isn't it the case for a white card too ?
@@romdunn3022possibly but it depends, as usually the backlight/hair light etc won’t be shining on the white card - it’s typically just the key shining on the white card, but if you’re angle on the card is off, or if you’re using a coloured fill light then yeah you’re right it’ll be the same issue.
The main thing is just to keep in mind that if you’re shooting in mix temps then you want to make sure you know which light you want to appear more neutral and take your reading from that.
@@MattRozier1 right. I usually do m’y WB with m’y key light which is most of the Time in daylight (5600k) and my fill light is in 3200k (full CTO)
I'm amazed your first shot white balance "by eye" was so obviously cool ?? Shading your monitor would definitely help with that.
It all depends in which environment you shoot. How the light is etc. and that can trick your eye a lot.
Yeah, that's why I always shade my monitor when outdoors - at least to set white balance [what I prefer to call "color balance"]. I've been a video and TV pro for 25 years and believe me, setting a "correct" or accurate looking white balance even on professional video cameras in the late 1990s and early 2000's was often a GIANT pain in the butt [due to limitations of video sensor technology]. All that struggling did help me develop a fairly well calibrated eye at least. I'm SO glad modern cameras have so much more capability and flexibility regarding color balance :D@@RonaldKasper
Picked up one! Thanks for this video :)
Have fun with it! 👍
Great video man! I am buying this right now!
Thanks, I used it quite a lot since I have it
I had a friend wearing a white t shirt 😂❤
That‘s enough for most situations 😉
Also, you should be able to use your grey card (or colour card) as a reference for white balance in post.
Yes true but there are limitations correcting the colors in post. Shooting it correctly definitely looks nicer 😉
Genius. Ordering a couple.
Have fun with them! 👌 Would be nice if you‘d use the link in the description, thanks!
@@RonaldKasper done :D
Great info! Thanks for sharing :)
You’re welcome, thanks for your comment!
Do you use this filter to set WB with the camera pointed towards the subject or from the subject pointing towards the light source/Camera position? I'm curious what you would recommend because I've heard both.
The problem is when you habe multiple lightsources in your shot with different colors. In this case you want to set the white balance for your subject and you habe to point the camera against the keylight. If that’s not the case I had good results when I just pointed at the subject
Can I seek your advise ? If I shoot with Slog 3, how do I use this filter ?
like shown in the video. I shoot slog3 as well.
Could you tell me what it looks like in the back? Is it white or it's the same color and material?
I wanna know if this Is it the same with ExpoDisc where the flipside of it is somewhat translucent white?
Yes it’s the same in the back. Basically it’s just a piece of diffused plastic
I have one but get an error on my fx3 when I try to set wb with this filter 😢
An error? What does the camera say?
@@RonaldKasper I can’t remember, I just used it again today and it white balanced just fine, perhaps I had it too close to the lens when I was doing it at first
I got a question : did sony release an update for the fx6 with the same white balance option as the Fx3 ?
(Oh and moving your camera in front of the the white card is not a good option since you're not going to have the same amount of light bouncing from the card to the lense wether your close or far)
I‘m not aware of an update where the white balance method of the FX6 is the same as on the Fx3. Have you heard of one, this would definitely be interesting
@@RonaldKasper not that I know of, that's why I was asking, since your video is a few months old, I was wondering if they did since then.
How would this tool work in low light situations? THX
I think it wouldn’t work that well, you need some amount of light for it wo work.
@@RonaldKasper THX. I wish someone like you would do a full course on shooting a film with the FX6. And really get into the nuts and bolts. THX again.
Do you have an American link you can post or just share the name of the brand that produces it? (I couldn’t use your link.)
Hi! I couldn't find the exact same thing but here's a US-Link to something very similar. www.amazon.com/Kiorafoto-Professional-Correction-Temperature-Calibration/dp/B01B4GT7VG/ref=sr_1_2?crid=Q9I4GLQPMNZ6&keywords=white+balance+filter+jjc&qid=1686893461&sprefix=white+balance+filter+jj%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-2
Hi , i want to unlock menu thumbnail from full menu, about use transfer clip option. Do you know how to do that?
I‘m sorry I don’t understand the question. What do you want to do?
@@RonaldKasper i want to transfer clips without cable. In LAN with FTP server. From thumbnail full menu you can order witch clips to transfer, but now the problem is that the menu is LOCK. I want to unlock the menu and do the transfer in LAN, may you tell me how? Thank you in advance, Ronald!
@@BEYONDFILMS2022 now I understand but unfortunately I have no experience with transferring files. Sorry
Niiice Video, für 14 € kann man sich das ja mal holen 👏🏼
Looks like nothing has changed over the years. Several video cameras from 40 years ago had translucent lens caps for this very purpose.
You use it wrong.
Not everyone understands English and uses a simultaneous translator to understand something. Next time, add subtitles. Thanks!
There are subtitles available in this video which you can translate to any language you want. I just tried it, works well.
Thanks!