Most Overrated Speaker? Am I Wrong? KEF LS50 Meta
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You won't believe me. KEF LS50 Meta was the first speaker I heard from the brand and I was like. Nope no way I be spending $1800 for them. I hated KEF brand as a whole as the first impression from them was not that great. They sounded neutral(which I like) they sounded deep(which also I like) had great imaging(which also I like) and had crazy clarity(which I like) but that was it. It had no heft to it. It was not immersive and feels a bit narrow. Possibly due to it being lifeless. That is the best I could describe it. After that I tried KEF R5(old) and you know the shock I was in coming from this with absolutely no expectations actually expecting to be disappointed. I heard R5 and my mind was blown. Because it was as neutral, clear and detailed. It had more depth and width than LS50 Metas. And most importantly it was lively without being warm or bright. It had that heft to it which LS50 Meta lacks completely. I went from hating KEF thanks to these to absolutely being a KEF fanboy thanks to R5. After than I heard others as well. And thankfully none sounded like these LS50 thin and lifeless. Had Q Series home-theater installed for one of my uncles and now planning to getting KEF Refernce and R series living room setup and theater for other.
Wow, your video is awesome.
Overrated.
I compared 3 and here's what I thought:
1st place: GoldenEar BRX (AMT tweeters, 90db sensitivity, 40 hz-35 Khz). I kept this.
2nd place: JBL L52 (sounded fun like live music)
distant 3rd place: Kef LS50 meta (too beaming, too heavy, low 85 db sensitivity, sounded thin, plastic binding nuts).
I keep watching your reviews so i thought I better subscribe So +1 sub 🤔🤔
I own LS50 Metas, and while -yeah- they might be a bit "boring" as you call them, I think that's a good thing. In that, they never ever fatigue me or irritate me with too much sibilance or being too analytical. I can't stand sharp highs, and the KEFs never give me that. Meanwhile, in the three or so months I've owned them now, I've never had a session of more than half an hour or so when they have not delighted me. With either new details that I hadn't yet heard, or just plain good music-making. Cheapaudioman, you're probably right that there are a lot of speakers, even cheaper ones, that excel at some discipline or other - but they might have real flaws elsewhere. And unlike an audio reviewer, people might not have a dozen pairs of speakers around the house to suit their mood of the day. Meanwhile, the KEFs fail at nothing, they never irritate, and they do delight (me at least). I think all in all, they're great allrounders. In my opinion, the cheapest speakers I'd call world class.
i come for the info, I stay for the comedy
For real tho. That’s what makes CAM the best. He’s a natural comedic talent.
It's good. It's fine.
I stayed for the puppers. 🐕
I come for the comedy, and stay for the info 😄
I come for the comedy and go elsewhere for the info.
Loving the new videos! New camera angles, complex editing, improving the backing tracks every day, and the comedy… top shelf stuff!
Awesome, thank you!
I listen to most videos at 1.5x or higher, so all that just becomes clutter. Can't say I appreciate the extra effort. Not looking for frills, I guess.
@@terrencebuckerI'm guessing your in the minority. We come for the roses.
@@cheapaudioman yea man. The final product is very entertaining. Your hard work and efforts are appreciated.
Totally agree, new videos bring me back to why I started watching. Feel like things got a little too technical and lost a little randy vibe for a while.
Great opening & congrats on another real sponsor! Glad you’ve come to your senses on these, again, tough breakups are always better the 2nd time around?
Thanks so much!!
This was a hoot! Very whimsical, Randy. Your comedic touch was top notch today.
Thanks, Steve!
Great Video! Been a subscriber for the past 3.5 year since the beginning. This is one of your best all time. Loved the intro “breakup” drive. Have heard these auditioned, good speaker but definitely not competitive for the price.
Had the LS50 Metas, loved them, sold them and now I bought them again because I frankly can not find better at the price or even higher. Tried ATC SCM 11, Dynaudio Evoke 20, Acoustic Energy AE 500, Wharfedale EVO 4.2 etc. The Kefs work the best in my room. Love them
Killer review....kudos. The quest to find true value at any price range still burns deep in your soul!
My old speakers died (Quad ELS 65 ) so I got the LS50 Metas and a KC62 sub until I could afford something better but I’am so impress with this setup I’am not looking to replace them any time soon.
I have them in a small room (3.2 x 3.4m) and that’s what they were probably designed for.
What are you doing with your now broken Quads?
Great video Randy. I need some cheap 5.1 surround speakers if you have any suggestions?
How does this speaker compare to the SVS ultra bookshelf. Great video
Hey CAM - I currently have Q100s for L/R and a single Q150 as center. You have said a lot of good things about Emotiva B1+ and C1+. Would it be worth it to track down the Emotivas (they're discontinued) to replace my KEFs? Or would it only be a marginal improvement? Btw the new Emotivas won't fit (i.e. they're too tall for my EC shelving), so that's why I'd have to go B1+.
Randy, as you’re more frequently playing with some “less than cheap” gear, have you had a chance to hear the Galion Voyager TL, or the A75 power amp?
HI Randy, very nice and entertaining review 🙂. Thank you. I hope you get a chance to review the Kef R3 Meta, as it has a bit warmer tonality and is significantly more fun/dynamic (the sound might be a little more up your alley). The new TEAC should drive it just fine.
One of your most entertaining vids. Loved the intro, the farm and chicken sound, very well produced
Much appreciated
That may be my favorite CAM intro yet
it was my favorite intro I've ever shot. so much fun
Love my LS50 Metas in my small room home theater as LCR with a Rythmik 15" sub. Amazing for dialouge and soundtracks. I bougth open box so that helped me decide.
The beginning of this video is sheer genius! Hahaha well done Randy
This is great! Just out of curiosity have you tried a fancy room correction like Dirac live?
on my HT receiver I have. makes a big difference
Great video, and the intro was awesome. Maybe you had the Polk T15 wrong too, which could also be a hilarious video.
dude... I bought those for $65 from best buy and they're going for over $150 now. How old do I sound...
@cheapaudioman But pushing them off the table was the best. Still rated 4.7 out of 5 stars rated on Amazon, too. LOL
Great insight on the LS50 Meta speakers! I own them for let’s say 3 years now. One thing I’d like to mention is that my living room is way less spacious than yours.
Mine is filled with furniture, a big couch with pillows on it, a wooden floor with a rug on it and long drapes close by the windows. Okay, what I basically want to point out is that my living room is kinda perfectly for speaker for the size of the LS50 Meta’s?… I think? Maybe I’m wrong.
However I got to say man, I really love them and yes, they have a lot umf. They are good and fine!
Love your videos! Cheers mate! 😂😂😂👍🏼
Love the Mazda!! Keep the reviews coming. Can't wait for the emotiva towers
My wife won’t let me drive her CX-5 - she loves that car.
This speaker has probably had 100s of reviews by now
Loved how you have made this video
Dynamic witty charming also with plenty information if your process and honest mindset
Thanks for the honest review.
I've had the LS50W and found them very overrated. No bass and the highs are fatiguing. Bought a set of Dyanudio speakers in the same price range and was much happier.
In my room the Metas are the best I haved tried. It beats some speakers costing quite a bit more. I have at times struggled to find the best placement. It is very critical about the signal chain as well. My favorite amplifier with these are the new Musical Fidelity A1. What I don't like about this combination is related to the low power of the A1. The Sound levels I got with my previous Quad Artera pre/power was impressive with the Meta. The A1 sounds better thought.The Meta is real high end. Must be treated that way. It can sound fabulous. It is also very easy to get mediocre sound out of them.
Hi CAM,
I just received my Fosi BT20A and Elac BS41's based on viewing a number of your reviews.
The Fosi should work great for my desktop / office set up but I'm finding the Elacs lack the crispness and clear high's I was hoping for, that said, their bass should suffice but I wouldn't want any less.
So, can you please recommend a small (10" ht) speaker with a tweeter and cross over set up that will provide a pronounced snare drum, crystal clear cymbals etc. while at low volume?
Many thanks and I continue to enjoy your videos.
Sony sscs5, brother
@@cheapaudioman Thanks!
I have the KEF R3 Metas that have a similar arrangement with the mid range and tweeter, with the addition of a woofer in the same cabinet. Used with a SVS Sub, I am very happy with all aspects of the sound. Is this a cheap set up, no. Is there better out there, probably. All I can say is that I am done shopping for better speakers for the first time in 40 years.
Glad to see you've moved your speaker evaluation to a more acoustically friendly location. That upstairs space you showed a few years ago was sonically challenged.
Although it's marked as an 8ohm speaker, detailed measurements show it at 4ohms through most of the frequency range, which is why high a quality amplifier with high current output is recommended
Very inefficient, poor bass response also. Sub is needed, high passing speakers. And a powerful and good capable amp needed.
While you’re right, a high powered amp just shows its further shortcomings when you get music with bass. Its woofers are so weak, they sound like they’re gonna blow at semi-loud volume.
@@mikechivy yup needed to high pass them
@@mikechivy My experience is completely different. I have the LS50W 1's in a large room about one foot from the back wall. I removed the sub from the equation because I just don't need it. I like a little low end but I don't need to shake the room. They sound fantastic. These speakers are not for blasting your ears off. If that's what you are after then these speakers aren't right for you. I would love to also have some Klipsch Cornwalls for those loud hard rock moments. My wife disagrees with me.
@@kevinperlic2920 you’re talking about two completely different speakers. The LS50w is not the LS50 meta… regardless they’re incredible at imaging and clarity, but they’re simply not that good compared to what you can get for the money
I have the q150s, i got the magnepan lrs+ and a Rel sub for my turntable setup ( with freya+vidar2)… i realized i missed the aspect of bookshelf that allowed me to actually stand and listen to them, so i can change the records n walk around. can’t do that with my maggies. The metas have been tempting me so i coukd get that speaker close to my ear feel again, something i can place on my kitchen counter or elsewhere… do you think id not be that into the metas since i have the q150s n all that other gear? Any small nearfield you’d recommend otherwise?
Nice video!
I do hope u tried to place them “straight” instead of “toed in”? I prefer the ls50w2 this way quite a bit more then toed in.
I can only get mine to completely disappear when they are slightly toed otherwise I can hear the left speaker on occasion. Mine are also angled up 4° to take into account my higher listening position.
Cracking wee speakers when you get the positioning sorted out.
Will you be comparing the $599 wharfdale Denton 80 to the $1399 wharfdale Super Denton speakers? Curious if the 3 way Super Dentons are worth the extra money. Thank you. Love your channel.
Very interesting take on these speakers. But I’m left wondering: what meets your personal definition of a “great” pair of speakers? Can we have a few examples? Color me curious.
Sonus Faber Lumina II Amator, Sony SSCS5, Elac Unifi 2.0, Wharfedale Denton, Linton, Emotiva XB2's
Do you have a playlist for this episode on Tidal?
Excellent vid my friend. Really enjoyed it. But...... I have to say my partner has these & I think they are terrific for the money. In the UK they sell for about £1k & are in my opinion well worth it. We are all different with what we like & enjoy about speakers, as you said. I was really surprised the first time I heard them, night & day better than the originals. I really enjoy the detail they dig out , since buying she added a BK sub & they sound even better. Anyway keep the vids coming.
curious what you would think if you didn't toe them in as I'm pretty sure the Coaxial design is supposed to be listened to at about 15 degrees to 30 degrees off axis which puts them facing straight forward. It's too much money for the speaker though. I took the coaxial driver out of some q100's and made my own open baffles with 15" woofers. Now I have the imaging of coaxial and open baffle with the bass it deserves...plus 15" ultimax and 12" sb2000 sub. Also noticed no acoustic treatment which is a shame as a reviewer. Anyhow, great video and thanks for sharing.
❤ loved the intro / break up 😢
I have the powered ones with a svs 3000 micro on my desk and it sounds amazing!
Can you review Dayton Audio HTA200 Integrated Stereo Hybrid Tube Amplifier? I would really like your opinion on it.
Listening from my 3.1.2 KEF R series setup. Sounds great. 😅
Beautiful dog, thank you for posting.
64G bits or 64G Bytes?
I don't think you're wrong. I bought the LS50 based on great reviews. Thought they were OK but sold them. Then I demo'ed the LS50 Meta and thought you were spot on -- they sounded metallic to me. I am however intrigued by the R3 Meta.
I have the Metas paired up to a Parasound Halo Hint 6 in a small room. I've always thought the vocals sounded soft and recessed. Everyone talked about these being forward sounding speakers and I've never experienced that. I even have my treble turned up some. The imaging and soundstage is amazing and one of my favorite experiences. I can also get them very loud without any distortion. Coupled with my SVS 3000 Micro my room is full of sound.
Forward sounding was standard version. In Meta vocals are recessed.
Love your channel. The only KEF speakers that I have listened to are the Wireless II'S that I ended up buying. The pair of KC62s that doubled the cost of the system were essential.
Just a question...have you tried the LS60s without a sub?
Hey man nice video. One observation though, have you ever correlated your preference with the anechoic frequency response of the speakers you like? Cause it seems that you like bright speakers and KEFs are neutral speakers. By definition anything other than neutral sounds different than how the song was mixed. nothing wrong with that but then your reviews are misleading and biased (e.g. boring sounding). Maybe you have hearing impairment as well and dont listen to higher frequencies well enough? Im not being mean or anything just some food for thought
I always use Steve Earle’s Copperhead Road off his album of the same name. The intro has amazing bass and the song bounces along very well! Give it a go 🎉
You are not crazy. I went and listened to these. They are decent. They are clinically clean and detailed. but they lack realism and depth. For the same price (or close), I can name 5 other speakers I would buy instead KEFs
why haven't you reviewed the Magnepan LRS+ at $995 yet? under $1000 and should be 10X better than the KEF Meta.
I auditioned the LS50 Meta amongst others from Dynaudio, Dali and Ophidian. In the end I bought some Neat Motives, they just sounded right and I found myself enjoying the music, not the hifi.
I have the Meta's, Neat Motive SX3's and Dali Epicon 2's. Playing with the Meta's in my main system and they scale really well. The Motives are in my bedroom system for low level listening and really limited space for positioning. The Motives are phenomenal for their size and what they can do in a limited space.
Got say am really liking the new direction you’re taking in making your content.
thanks! I'm having a lot of fun
So does that mean the Elacs are a no-go as well? Or are they more palatable because of their lower price?
bingo. they grew on me but they regularly go on sale for $500 and they make a ton more bass than the LS50's
That intro was funny. I was getting prepared for you to do the Mice and Men thing and take them out. Start telling the speakers about the rabbits..
ha
I realy love the way these speakers look :( But I'm so afraid they'd be underwhelming.
They cost ~900$ for new, in Romania. Would this help?! :))
Love your reviews!
KEF Q150's are a TON of fun for about 1/5th the price (when they're on sale). Can be run off any modestly-powered amp or receiver.
agreed
I have them in my living room augmented by a REL T5. I agree that they do t have a whole lot of punch to them but their imaging is incredible. Even my wife, who doesn’t really care about such things, commented on their “clarity” as she put it. Not here to defend them, different strokes I suppose.
Yes, this. Personally, KEF never spoke to me (former industry guy here....going back quite a ways). The voicing was never right for me. That said, I have audiophile friends that LOVE these speakers. So as you said, different strokes. Really, that's the case with all speakers. It's kind of silly to say they are over rated or whatever......though I do appreciate a reviewer giving their honest take. Fluff need not be tossed around.
@@CotesDuQ some audiophiles get chaffed a reviewer doesn’t gush over their equipment. Who cares, so long as you like it?
Don’t know. I had the LS50 Meta’s and they were absolutely terrific.
I think it would depend on what your ear tunes into. If your into an analytical box then... you'll like them. But the truth is, you can get that and perhaps something sounding a little more balanced and natural for half the price or lower. Or much better for a price that's on par.
@@NightFlight1973 I completely and totally disagree I’ve had over 30 sets of bookshelves speakers in the past nine years. These are by far the best for their price build qualities sound quality and looks are phenomenal.
HAD? They could not have been that terrific if you don't still have them
@@scottlowell493 lol you are challenging me???. There are personal reasons that I had to let them go and it was strictly financial.
@@stephencosta6814 Don't you find it hard to remember their sound? Thirty sets of speakers sounds as if you were chasing your tail somewhat.
So well done, Randy! I absolutely love this video and the Teac one you just did. I haven't been as big a fan of some of your other videos this year, but this one really hit the mark. It was as entertaining as some of the classic CAM goodness. Keep up the good work!
Wow, thank you!
For the $1,000 I paid for my LS 50 Metas when KEF put them on sale last year, you'll have to pry them from my cold, dead hands. Paired with my Arcam SA20 class G integrated amp (BTW currently available for $1,000), they sound anything but "boring". The most amazing thing about your pair is that the tweeters are still intact with all the little tweeter pokers you live with.
I had the OG anniversary LS50s with an Arcam SA20. I also had Q150s as surrounds. So I did a side by side comparison. The LS50s wiped the floor with the Q150s. Not to mention the build quality of the LS50s. The Q150s look like they are DYI. Look at them wrong and the vinyl will peel off.
I'm with you on the Meta's. I was trying to decide between the Meta's and a pair of Buchardt s400's. I went with the s400's and wouldn't part with them but when the Meta's went on sale for $1000 a picked up a pair and also wouldn't part with them. Both benefit from a good, long break-in and are different in very interesting ways. My music is rock, chamber music, jazz, symphonic classical, folk, and streaming Berliner Philharmoniker's Digital Concert Hall.
Awesome production this time, I loved it. I own LS 50, people need to stop complaining just because a reviewer dosen't like the same sound as them. It was a fair review, can't win them all. My biggest problem is that they sound small. Now, can you test the wharfedale Elysian 4? Just bought them, they are in the mail. Don't you dare to give them a bad review :D
Brx a much better buy?
Did u try various DECOUPLING TECHNIQUES? Try the IsoAccoustic Oreas.
I bought em second hand in new condition for 800$, they're my first speakers. You're right, they do lack some bass. But I still love them, especially for classical music. Eventually I plan to get a sub to go with it, but not in a hurry.
$800 is a good price for them.
A subwoofer really moves them to the next level.
lol it’s good, it’s fine! This is probably the best way to express when something is ok, which it must, given the price range, but it’s just that, it won’t really blow you away, which they should… I personally don’t like the simplistic look of just one two-way concentric driver per box, but if the sound result was something extraordinary I would consider buying the KEFs, but I won’t do it for something that looks odd and just sounds ok 😂… thank you for the great review, keep up the fantastic work 😊
There is allot to be said about the build quality of these speakers. That’s definitely reflective in there price. I don’t own any KEF speakers but I appreciate what they put into there design and build quality.
I’ve had this spkr for a yr , my views 1. Spkr is very sensitive to placement 2. Associated equipment must be more towards high end 3. Class A amp drives it better than B 4. S2 stands with Gaia is a must
I’m with you 100% on these speakers. The first time I heard them I actually thought they sounded pretty darn good. But then I heard them next to other speakers and suddenly I felt about them the same way you do. They OK but I don’t find them special. I did own some KEF R3 Metas For about a year and I found those significantly better than the LS50 Metas. I eventually sold the R3s As even in the long run, I felt like I was missing something from those as well.
LOL! That was a terrific intro! And one of Hank's Free-Range Pomeranians got a cameo!
she's been bugging me and bugging me to be in another vid
Your conclusion is exactly the same I had when I got a pair. Used them for few minutes just to try if the hype was real... It is not. They sounded boring an rolled off on the highs. I measured their FR on my room and the results told exactly the same. Rolled off on the highs. A way that I found to make them a little less boring was to pair them with a Naim XS2 integrated. With a class D like the CA Evo you have they don't match at all.
What was the sound tonality change when it pairs with NAIM XS2?
@@chrisxie2234 It gets more alive and rhythmic. The Naim seems to deliver the current to feed them faster and provides better driver control than other amplifiers on this price class.
@@audiodemos2579 Wow, that sounds a great choice. I heard NAIM XS2 or Supernait2 long time ago, they said it can drive speaker more musical. Seems it's true! But NAIM is not a popular choice these days, and those Hi-fi TH-camrs are also not mention to it at all.
Have you ever tried Rotel RB-1582MKII Power amp?
@@chrisxie2234 the SN2 offers better resolution than the XS2. The person that I sold my pair of LS50 Metas paired them with that after hearing the XS2 on my home. I haven't tried the Rotel.
Like the other comparable or better speaker advice and the reference songs to compare. I’m doing that more to figure out what my tastes are. Thanks
Superb intro!!!
I would love to hear these on my little set-up.
Yea good review, I agree with you they are good speakers, but from what I have noticed from listening to them they are nothing special! To me actually sound wise they are over priced. From the cabinet build and finish, they are worth the money. But in all honesty I buy speakers for the listening not the looks.They are more hype than value.
I have a pair of Ls50 meta and the LSXwii. Both are outstanding speakers in "my" opinion, but they are far from perfect in many regards. The meta do an excellent job with some music and not so great with others, they can be very song-dependent (possibly recording-dependent too). I intend to keep them (I only paid about 1050 USD out the door), but I am looking at adding another pair of speakers with a different sound to complement my setup (the Lumina ii amour is on my short list of speakers to listen to before deciding), but I understand that many people might only want one pair of speakers in their music rooms and if these don't sound up to snuff then by all means shop elsewhere. How speakers sound to "you" should always be the deciding factor.
So many fine speaker options out there now and for the varied spectrum of music loving sound nerds. Got em for right under 1k on eBay, paired with a downfiring sub and a good R2R dac. 200 watts of juice in a small & medium room with 2 ft. rear from the wall. I listen to other speakers for rock and other genres, though these hit the Ambient, Classical, Jazz, Acoustic and Folk sweet spot for me. Also, music from Caterina Barbirei and Tangerine Dream’s Zeit are a trip via the meta’s.
Damn I considered these pretty hard. What the hell do I get now my Klipsch RB 61ii have been great for years but I’m looking for something better and more balanced with hopefully some the same bass response 45hz can anyone recommend something?
A good combination for these kef can be a preamp whith a crown xls amplifier and a sub. Thanks for your videos.
I picked up a cx90 as well. I really like the style.
Oh boy, $1600 retail price. These are expensive AF in the US. I feel like, every time I see/check these, LS50 Meta's are in sale at 999€ (inc. 24% VAT). Good value speaker in the Europe + easy to sell at semi high used price if needed.
I tried the KEF LS50 Metas with my Naim Uniti Atom, but they were sadly lacking low bass and punch. I realised I was paying for the looks and colour, so I opted for the small but perfect PMC Prodigy 1 Speaker's. They may be small and plain-looking, but the comments of awe when they come to life are highly satisfying to others as well as my ears.
I think those PMC are great, a good bit more expensive than the Meta in the UK and do have more punch for sure, the transmission line design is really doing a great job.
@@jondonnelly4831 I paid £1050 after asking their best price so not much more.
This was great! I also love sonus Faber's. I doubt I'll own a different brand for my primary hifi setup. I completely agree on the metas though...very overpriced especially considering the other options out there.
Thanks. So good you have your own opinions and don't follow the crowd!
I replaced my Pioneer HPM 100's with these KEFs..your video was complicated and simple. Perfect.
3 reasons I got the KEF$':
1: A LOT LOT LOT LOT smaller. I replaced Pioneer HPM 100's with these. Speakers in the center of a living room are also art. I can now see out my window. I replaced Michelangelo's David with Degas Little Dancer.
2: I was surprised at how they sounded a lot like the HPM 100's..meaning no better, no worse (ok much less bass given the size difference)
3: But...and it's a big Butt..over 3 weeks I noticed the KEFs began to sound a lot better..in fact they sound magic (I have a sub).
Running a Schiit Vidar using a Marantz 2285b preamp out with a Bluesound Node 2i. It was a new Vidar so that too burned in after 3 weeks.
Yes it's over priced, but that's really subjective. I ain't got a lotta dough, so I got mine for $1k on ebay unopened. I would not have paid $1.6k..but I'm ok with $1k. k?
BTW: In Omaha..are you from "outstate" Nerbraksa? Said you waz a farmers boy. Where the heck did you get HIFI in rural Nebraska other than Radio Shack?
YT did it again! I'll notice that I haven't seen Randy pop-up for a bit then check the Sub box and it's deselected. What the Hell YT! Lots of love Randy!
I've read many rave reviews about the LS50 Metas-so I was hyped to finally hear it. I can confirm it was "just fine." Unfortunately, it did not live up to the hype. I immediately took it off my short-list. ty for this review
Cry Little Sister, love it! It’s 1998 and I have that song on repeat on my paradigm titan v2’s. A lot of money for kid in jr. high. I have it cranked right now on a definitive tech. CLR 3000 which is becoming my favorite speaker/form factor. Thanks for bringing me back.
The ls50 meta has an extended bass shelf so if you place it close to the wall it will increase its bass extension without becoming boomy. I think it was actually designed like that on purpose as other kef speakers also have that. And you're right, measurements of this speaker show a dip in the 2/3k region.
very cool. thanks for sharing, my friend
He should have tried corner loading them in a not too big a room. His listening room is not good enough for a reviewer.
@@cheapaudioman i've heard or red somewhere kef figured bookshelf and particularlly small bookshelf speakers are bought to be used in small spaces and in small spaces people will likely have less room to pull them out of the wall, so probably they would go close to a wall. And so they came out with that tweak. Clever thinking. This i haven't red but it makes even more sense because if you indeed have more room and use them in a big space you'll likely use a subwoofer (or 2), so no need for bass extension on the speakers.
Hey, Randy. I get your relationship with the LS50s. They are not everyone's cup of tea. I didn't hear you mention if the evaluation speakers were new, or had some time on them. In my experience with KEF speakers they need a minimum of 25 hours of break-in time before they start to sound good. And they only seem to sound great (to me) after about 50 to 100 hours.
Also, apparently the watts matter. An 80 WPC Yamaha R-N500 Receiver did not bring my LS50s (non-Meta) to life like the 110 WPC OutLaw Audio RR2160 MKII. Given that I listen at relatively low volume levels, an additional 30 watts should not have made any difference, but it made a big difference. Maybe more importantly, the high-pass/low-pass subwoofer filtering in the RR2160 MKII made sure the LS50s did not have to play bass below 100hz that the subwoofer covers.
The big win for me with the LS50s is that they provide an impressive soundstage even with a highly compromised placement on a table near a wall in my home office only about 7 feet from my listening position. They are keepers for me.
😂Love it Randy! 🇸🇪
Couldn’t agree more about the Metas. I bought them at Christmas for $999 when they were on sale. I tried to like them because of the price I paid. Even hooked them up to the living room system and they just weren’t for me so back they went.
They remind me of the old coaxial speakers i had in my car in the 70's in high school 😅
Thank you for your fresh look at the KEF LS50 Meta. A few years ago I walked into a local audio store fully prepared to buy them based on all the reviews I had seen and read. I was disappointed. The speakers were good. But they didn't deliver that overwhelming sonic experience I had been hoping for. I auditioned other speakers that day in the same store. I ended up walking out with the KLH Model 5s. Those hit my sweet spot. Of course, speaker preference is completely subjective, as it should be. Get the speakers that are right for you. Others could find the Model 5s abhorrent. But to the first point, the KEFs didn't do it for me. Like you, I found the mid-range lacking and the bass a little underwhelming.
Same thing here. Walked into the hifi store expecting to love the ls50 meta, but they were just fine. Sales person recommended I try the atc scm11, which I ended up buying. Don't get caught up in the hype and go listen for your self.
@@squee147 I did exactly this and would recommend everyone to listen to the other available options. I walked out of the shop with superior and completely different speakers I went in for!
Model 5 is a classic
Same here but a few years ago, grabbed the GoldenEar Aon 3 instead.
I have the LS50 meta paired with the NAD c399 and it is AMAZING. 3D holographic imaging that just makes you sit through the night listening to more and more music. It is that engaging. I really don’t understand how people can put down this speaker, other than them just trolling for attention.
Cool new video vibe :)
Nice of you to pick up one of the Kef’s from school ;)
I have to believe your audiophile chops are building, hearing the soundstage extend behind your fireplace +++
My LS 50’s took 50 hours to loosen up and keep getting better.
Even as a small speaker, they respond to being out in the room more.
One of the other tips is measuring and getting each speaker’s distance from the back wall pretty much exactly the same, toe angles similarly close.
They can be really rewarding, but you have to be open and receptive as much as possible.
They aren’t rowdy or terribly live sounding.
They are windows into recordings and borderline glorious ✨
Good speaker cables make a difference, i like analysis plus oval 12 for these, though they may well scale with their better cables too.
Keep listening and making videos ✨🙏✨🥁✨
LS50 meta with the KC62 and NAD M10V2 and im loving it.bigtime...
Do you really think the Q150s are better than the LS50s or was that just a throwaway remark?
I do. they have more personality and a little warmth in mids
Great Video! As an owner of LS-50's and Q150's... I can't disagree that the Q150 is a fantastic speaker with pretty similar sound to LS-50.
So i have the Q150s n then jumped to Magnepan LRS+… but those aren’t ideal for me unless im sitting. Would you say the q150 is good enough for similar soundstage cuz i miss being able to stand and listen to my vinyls vs having to sit . Im tempted to get the metas so i could place them on my kitchen island so i could listen on moderate volume, nothing loud. Any thoughts?
I haven't heard the KEFs myself (a friend of mine has them though), but I have a pair of Pioneer RM-05 which is designed by the same guy who worked with KEF way back. They're also a dual coincident driver, though with a different guide for the tweeter so you get less interference from the woofer (5", there's also an RM-07 with a 7" woofer). Cabinet made from aluminium, like a tank, solid, heavy, no resonance. Front ported with some port trickery as well as internal chambers to tame reflections. Dual Class A/B amps with a toroidal transformer. These things sound incredible. If you haven't tried dual concentric speakers before, then you're in for a treat. Stereo imaging is like nothing I've heard before, and it feels like there's a center speaker without there actually being one. However, like the Kef, these need a subwoofer (the 5" version at least). But I'd like to argue that any 2-way speaker would ideally need a subwoofer for bass. Those small 5"-8" cones are not the best for low end, and you end up with worse mids cause that one woofer has to do double duty.
I would love to hear them I have the smallest of the Q series and they bring the top end my front Q acoustic 3030i lack for music
I’ve been on a crusade, since last night, to get the word out to try using spring style isolation feet.
I’d remove four springs of seven for those KEFs or any speaker this size.
Spring iso feet under speakers will sharpen the detail even though you think those speakers are good enough.
Anyways, something worth trying.
I’ll feel expected vibes from the cabinet but none from the stands. I use to use brass spikes.