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Being a Parasound amp owner (zonemaster 2, 2125v2), I took it for granted that every amplifier has what mine has: at least a trigger input (bonus is a trigger output to turn on the subwoofers), loop out RCA for subwoofers, bonus crossover Hz adjustment, bonus gain adjustment, bonus stereo/bridged selector. While shopping for a new amp (< $3k) in the last week, I was surprised that very few amps even have a trigger input. We're in 2024! Components need to talk to the TV, AVR, etc. No trigger input=no sale for me (I cancelled my order for the Musical Fidelity M6s PRX amplifier and a used Passlab xa25 which is $5k new). The NAD C298 and M23 have so many options in the back like my Parasound.
I'm 64 years old. My ears are about the same age. Why would I spend $2400 on my $240 ears? I built the Mavin 6 pack speakers about 6 years ago. They still sound awesome to me. I also built a center channel from him that blew away my Polk center channel. Movies shake my entire house with no subwoofer. He told me I didn't need one. Now I have an SVS that helps the cats jump on top of my Mavins. Sometimes I'm caught off guard and swing my head to the side to see the sound I'm hearing. The stage is wide. Got about $500 in the whole thing. Powered by a Yamaha 300 series AV unit. Love your channel because I love truth! Thanks, Audioman!
In a world of $70k power cables and $300K speakers and other luxury audio components it is a beautiful thing that we can find components that do in fact equal or exceed the market pricing in terms of value and performance. It is also a beautiful thing that beautiful things exist. Sales, open box, scratch and dent, used, factory refurbished as well as market competition/technological advancement are the value purchaser’s friend. Great video content. 🙏🙏🙏 to the Cheap and Value Audio Man
I like the fact that you don't insult those who buy at low end of the budget as well as those who buy higher end. These days you find people insulting the other group and it just muddies the whole field.
It would be nice to see a comparison between a receiver and nice integrated amp. Some people are on the fence between the 2 or even use the receiver in a 2.1 config just for convenience factor which I personally do. My living room wound up not having a great layout so I never set it the 5.1 and am music centric anyways so for me personally I've always wondered how much I leave on the table using a receiver compared to integrated
Thank you for your channel. I'm old and spent many years on Tanks so I've lost some hearing. An honest salesman at Listen Up told me when shopping for new speakers, "If you can't hear the difference, don't pay for the difference" Just like your channel......Saves me lots of money. thanks again.
The phono stage on the Advance Paris A10 Classic has 3 levels of capacitance preloading I see (at 8:48). 100pF, 200pF and 320pF. This will help a LOT in the treble response for your turntable/cartridge/interconnects - if there isn't enough treble at 100pF, then you can bump it up to 200pF or 320pF and get more treble.
@@cheapaudiomanright - higher capacitance preloading offsets the inherent capacitance of the cartridge/wiring/interconnects. You can select the level that sounds best. The AkitikA PR-102 optional phono preamp has about 6 levels of capactance preloading with jumpers on the board; as well as gain level. For a bit less than $100 it is a great phono stage.
@@cheapaudiomanYou said you had too many kids running around. How many? How many if you count the neighbor kids? (You look like a household that has a lot of neighbor kids around. With me, it was my mom. She kept handing out cookies. She thought I didn’t have enough friends.)(Now you know a little of my history. Fair is fair.)
This seems to be a common theme in any musical equipment. When i was a youngin I played the violin. My first violin was right about $100. A couple of years later, my folks bought me an $800 violin with nice wooden bow. The difference was like night and day. I played $2500-5000 violins whenever i had a chance to wring one out, but sound-wise they didn't have a whole lot more to offer than what i had. My instructor had 2 violins that he played consistently. One was about $25k and the other was $300k. Yes, his $25k violin made mine sound like a string tied to a metal bucket. But, I heard him play both of his back to back and yes, the 300k one sounded a little better. That was what he played in live performances. Did it sound $275k better? I guess that depends on who you ask. It didn't to me and probably didn't to 99.999% of the people who listened to him play. But to him, it was worth the price.
Being a Parasound amp owner (zonemaster 2, 2125v2), I took it for granted that every amplifier has what mine has: at least a trigger input (bonus is a trigger output to turn on the subwoofers), loop out RCA for subwoofers, bonus crossover Hz adjustment, bonus gain adjustment, bonus stereo/bridged selector. While shopping for a new amp (< $3k) in the last week, I was surprised that very few amps even have a trigger input. We're in 2024! Components need to talk to the TV, AVR, etc. No trigger input=no sale for me (I cancelled my order for the Musical Fidelity M6s PRX amplifier and a used Passlab xa25 which is $5k new). The NAD C298 and M23 have so many options in the back like my Parasound.
Great review and totally agree. Amps like this Loxjie, The SMSL AL200, Yamaha S301, and Fosi ZA3 have really changed the game for you can get for less than $500 in an amplifier. There is way better stuff out there, you just pay disproportionately more to get there but if you spend enough time with your music its probably worth it to you to make that jump to something nicer at some point down the road.
Yes! This is exactly correct, especially in an age of compromised music sources (.mp3, Bluetooth, etc.). Technology has brought us affordable hifi that exceeds the limits of human hearing.
some people like to spend money on audio just to brag about it..... the rest of us are definitely not spending 10K on audio equipment just to listen to an MP3. anybody serious about music quality is listening to lossless audio
I can state this. I have the SMSL AO300 which is very similar to this Loxjie (minus the phono stage). I also own the Yamaha A-S2200 which is a really really nice integrated. Not related to the lower priced plastic cousins like the 801 etc. . I ran a set of Mofi Sourcepoint 10 from each of these. Anyone with even the most deficient hearing would have been able to tell which amp was driving what. There is a difference and it’s all about that power supply. I do think these smallish class D amps have their place for sure.
Yep, and power in reserve makes the sound seem so effortless. Muscler matters, particularly at mid to low volume. The sound seems to fill the space with detail and smooth, effortless grace.
I said it before and I’ll say it again…. That amp is gorgeous!!!! If it sounds half as good as it looks it’s worth 2500 any day. I always hear people say “don’t waste your money”….. If it brings you joy and meets your expectations then it’s money well spent…. I’d rather save for a better product then buy something cheap that under preforms to my expectations. To each their own and power to you. Do what makes you happy despite what anyone else tells you! 👍
I completely agree with the do what makes you happy notion and I also have to say that I appreciate how tastes differ. Personally I prefer a minimalistic appearance and I dislike colored lighting (blue in particular) so I'm happier with my pair of cheap Aiyima A07 Max amps running in mono mode (powered by two laptop bricks I got for free).
One last thought on this is don't be surprised if your $10,000 system doesn't sound as good as a receiver from the '70s or tube amp from the '60s. I hope it does, for your sake, but there's no guarantee that it will. This is something I wrestle with often. Some day I may wanna treat myself to a modern, analog (or mostly analog) amp and a nice set of speakers. But I know what I have already sounds great to me. Grass ain't always greener. Cheers.
I recently picked up a Dayton Audio HTA100, and for giggles I first put it into my main system with my Klipsch Heresies and it weas a lot of fun. Was it better than the $3K worth of gear (Schitt and Decware) I normally use? No, but it sounded pretty good. And I love it in my office system with a pair of Kanto YU 5.25" passives. A really nice match.
I'm using a 1974 Yamaha CR-800 integrated amp that I bought on FB for $400 + 2 decent QED speakers (bought on sale). For my tired, middle-aged, tinnitus-filled ears, it's a dream system. Cheap audio rulez!
Great review and perspectives. Thanks for the background info too. Gotta love VU meters in the signal path. Take care, Sir, and keep your content coming.
Ya I’m always concerned with anything in the signal path. I use bare wire to the binding posts, which most people don’t. I get the ease of use with banana plugs, pins and spades but I’d rather take the time to very carefully connect bare wire because I don’t trust the quality of those connectors in the signal path. Paranoia probably but it helps me sleep at night 😂
I inherited a harmon kardon receiver probably 15 years ago, the thing is a machine, I even had one channel dedicated to an automotive set of subwoofers for a very long time at 2.5 ohms, never an issue, our church did a storage cleanup and was going to throw away a carver pt1250 amp, so I grabbed it, the fans had stopped working in it, I found some fan motors, wired them through a thermal switch, have it going to a legion audio 15 that I reconed, it runs off the sub output of the harmon, we later inherited some jbl studio series bookshelf speakers, so the harmon runs two kicker 10's in a gatley audio marketplace find enclosure, and also the jbl's, i put carbon fiber dust caps on the kickers so they appear to be more home audio, both channels of the carver to the duel voice coil 15, and all headed up with an aiyima BT tube preamp with some ge Jan tubes in it, so all in maybe 600$ and sounds incredible, some passive crossovers on the kickers, sub out runs the carver, gains set to not be overwhelming on the big sub, very very happy with this setup..
Hi - I am from Germany and I like to watch your chanel. But I am shocked how different are the prices ..... if you look around the world. The Advance Paris A10 classic I can get here for 1499 € by some dealers.
Liking how you spin it. Worth saying that the speaker choice isn't that much of a worry with the expensive amp. If your driving well behaved bookshelf speakers things get easier for the budget amp. It's worth checking out second hand mid range gear as an alternative to new budget hifi. Especially if your thinking about driving big speakers. All doable for around $1000 too.
Just watching because you are always worth watching. I like to know what's up. System status: No new components for now. Not even desired speakers. . Nothing more is worth buying as the bigger problem is apartment environment. I spent instead on some new Nikon gear. Been a while for that, and have now started with Z mirrorless (add to keeping DSLRs). Vintage 3 head NAD is cassette deck back in another better shop to have just failed main motor (no more of, has be from other they have). The refurb. is gonna cost me total almost $1k. Still much less than a serviced, fine, vintage NAK (best upgrade or replace path option, Just Audio has, for example) or such . The refurb / repair last year of NAD vintage integrated amp seems good
Please are there still in existance all in one home stereos (modern) with speakers (wooden) + turntable + casette and radio (with big horizontal blue light panel) + equalizer with many buttons, no blutooth, no streaming or network, no remote. Must have round chrome knobs for bass, treble and big volume knob. I hate picking components individualy and the mess of cables.
Its market, happens on everything. Furniture a $50 chair vs $500 chair. A car, a cheap car vs expensive. Does the same. I worked on manufacture for example, a peacemaker total production cost $500, market price $15k. Same happens in hifi market.The global market brought options with a low cost of manufacture with a good price. Im listening low cost class D amps from Fosi and Aiyima. Sound pretty good. But recently for fun i tried an small preamp P3 directly to my main power amplifier bypassing the $1k pre with the $80. I like it a lot. Sounded very good, still using it in that way. Definitely a $1k pre has some more body and soundstage. But the cost for that is waaay too much. There are some audiophile channels and they doesnt want to admit a $50 or $100 audio gear sound as good as their high price equipment…
When comparing integrated amps I suggest a test using a reference DAC to both to get a handle on the amplifiers themselves. It so muddies the water when comparing the internal DAC's in integrated amps too. The upgrade path for cheap audiophiles today should always run through DAC's. It would be best to know what the preferred analog portion of the compared amps are. Actually I think manufacturers are messing up by putting DAC's in so many integrated amps. Put the money in the amp, not an average and quickly worsening, comparatively, DAC. Hell, hook them both up right now to your J2. It is likely that mid cheap system, $700 to $1000, could include an amp with a built in DAC that will not be used.
Funny because I have a Moon Simaudio (older 2000’s model) and also had LS50’s. I didn’t quite love the sound, short story is I sold the LS50s when I bought and compared them to a pair of Revel M16, now I love the sound, I won’t be touching anything for a while
I replicated your exact action figger experience - except with Japanese anime robot kits and figgers and accessories from the 80s. Voltron, Astro Boy, Zeroids, and much more. Threw 'em in a closet until the early 2000s and then discovered the ebay wild west (which was much friendlier back then regarding taxes and fees). Under two hunnert bux worth of goods turned into a HUGE+++ multiple massive return, with which I bought video gear. Under the impression that High Definition was a passing fad, I bought a studio full of standard definition DV equipment. Oops.
Compared my rather expensive Prima Luna tube amp (couple of thousand) to an emotiva Bas X amp (couple of hundred), could absolutely tell no difference between the two, this experience utterly changed my view of Audiophilia and Hi Fi
Just remember 35% of the cost of the product is built in for profit,so the more you spend, the more you lose, worked in a hifi shop,our cut was 15%, the 20% then went to the manufacturer, this was 20years ago,things may have changed,but i doubt it .
Loxjie A40 is what the cheapaudioman has been telling us all along. Why spend the big bucks when you can be the babe of cheapness and the envy of all your cheap friends it's a thing! I love mine it cranks and sounds awesome!!
Simple fact is vast percentage of home audio is done using less than 5 watts of amp power. Why else does a 3/5 watt tube amp work for a lot of people? Why be surprised that a relatively low cost, low power amp will work as well as a high cost, high power amp? Electrical engineering is a mature field of study. Has been for over 50 years. A well designed, good performing amp is easily achieved. Most of the perceived differences is imagined. A properly set up double blind test demonstrates that over and over again. Just saying.
Loxjie are an SMSL sister brand (I think?). I have the Loxjie D30 at home (ESS newer version), hooked up to an Aiyima A08 Pro and Suca-Audio Tube-T1 preamp. Speakers - Dali Opticon 2 MkII.
The advance Paris looks like such a knock off. I can’t get behind it. Hell you can get a proper McIntosh amp for $2500 ALL day on the used market. And they don’t break.
Between Loxjie, Fiio, Fosi, Douk, Schitt and Topping there's so many great relatively budget brands, most of which I found on your reviews! I'd rather take affordable, small and good than expensive, giant and great.
I wonder if you heard a Simaudio now, that you have had more experience with other gear, if you would feel differently. For my Klipsch Cornwall , a Simaudio Moon I5 was the best when compared to Rotel 1572mkII, Audire Forte, a Marantz separates set, A Schiit set w/Aegir power amp and best a Cronus Audio Magnum II. You now know more about gear matching than before as well. I have not heard the Sim you had, but all the ones I have heard sound right up there with Audio Research & McIntosh
6 years ago i purchased a matched yamaha system for $239, i'm not going to do any better @cheapaudioman should do a speaker placement instruction video. one high and one low seems to improve separation/dispersion between floor and ceiling
Hey Randy, how does the Paris A 10 classic compare to your McIntosh integrated amp? I love the looks of my McIntosh c50 preamp, but also like the idea of selling it for around 4500, selling my McIntosh mc352 for about 3000, and enjoying my Klipsch La Scala’s with a buying a brand new A10. What do you think?
great vid. Sort of a philosophical vlog, but i liked it. Just got the Douk meter doodad. hooking it up tomorrow with a variety of new gear to test. My first trip into 'hifi'. After reading stereophile for many years as a young adult, and lusting over their top 10 lists at a budget. Even their 'budget' stuff was outside of my budget. Although, i did buy a pair of Grade headphones, which I still own lol.
The audiophile space is interesting because there is a budget for everything. Now if cam bought a moon amp and ls50 and he didn't like the ls50 that's ok. I have a pair and I think they're amazing. I bought at 800 brand new. At that price they are head and shoulders above everything under 1k. Build, bass, detail, imaging and arguably looks. There's a reason they're on the stereophile a list every year. Anyway, I think this comparo is interesting but the use case is different. Having a very compact amp with those inputs, especially HDMI, opens them up to home theater, the sound bar crowd, desktop systems and home systems as well. If I didn't already have an elac ea101 for my computer system and a unforced dda120 which the drivers don't work with windows any more, and no more support, same with elac no more android support for the app (700 euro amp, got for 400) I'd be looking at the wiim amp or this loxji (headphone jack is a huge bonus). I have several amps marantz pm15s1 which would be similar to this advance but it's 100 analog, but it's almost 20kg and gorgeous, but I also have nad 316bee, the elac, the unforced, marantz 6011 ht and I struggle to hear the difference ....
There certainly is a line of diminishing return but it is not near the $250 line. Heck why not get an old transistor radio. Its really like driving a Kia or a Mercedes. Sure they will both get you where you need to go but the ride is so much more enjoyable in the Mercedes.
Move to A12 for even more better .. I recommended they swap back the TI dac chip to AKM 4499 or ESS 9039Pro to make it sound better and standout of most integrated amp 😅 Please bear in mind, Loxjie is poor support & QC issue
With all that Scottish blood running through my veins, I cannot stand to let go of my money. So I will shop relentlessly looking for the highest performance/quality to price ratio. Geshelli is the perfect example with the base J2S/Archel2.5/E2 products. Table-slapping sound, outstanding sales and support, and very high quality craftsmanship. SMSL is decent, the A0300 (the brother to Loxjie minus the phono preamp) is very high sound quality, functionality, with "we'll see" durability (SU8s DAC died after 1 year). Neil Blanchard has several low cost improvements to cheap bookshelves (
I love the A/B comparisons big$$ Gear vs. Regular Guy Gear. Randy, do high-end cables make a difference? Can you hear the pure audio bliss, or is it snake oil?
Great comparison! While I'd love to sit watching the big blue V/U meters flip back and forth while enjoying the excellence of a high end phone stage it's just too much for my budget. Also, hearing loss is a thing. My hearing at 60+ is far worse than it was at 20 when I bought my first decent gear. (Yamaha CR440)
Value wise, vintage audio equipment is hard to beat. But it certainly isn't for everyone, and some popular models can be too expensive. But there are still plenty of options, and $200 would get you something decent. Usually, the "low powered" receivers get overlooked, but 25 watts of 1970's power will sound better than 300 watts of Class D Chinese power.
For years I looked for the magic tech that would leave me in audio heaven, well there isn't one . Keep it simple .. Warm to warm no, cool to cool no, balance is the only equation that matters . However it's all great fun ..
Good electronics are neither warm nor cool, unless they're reactive to complex/varying impedance loads, or are not designed well, or are designed purposely to not be flat. All upstream components should produce and amplify exactly the input signal without change.
OK, how about this? Someone can ... - Buy a Loxjie, Fosi, Yamaha, Rotel or whatever plain looking amplifier that satisfies them sonically - Put that in a cabinet and close the door - Acquire an old Marantz, Pioneer, or whatever vintage amplifier they find particularly attractive, with a channel or two that no longer work, but the VU meters and such still work (cheap? maybe even free?) - Put THAT on top of the hifi cabinet Then proceed to ... - Enjoy wonderful sound reproduction without breaking the bank - Enjoy the visual art of some of the best faces that hifi manufacturers have ever produced - Blow away their friends when it appears that they're listening to a handsome vintage amplifier from the past, but adjust the volume and other settings from the couch using a remote Will this achieve the actual goal for many of us? Heck, I might try this myself this weekend with my old receiver and my newer Rotel. I can almost guarantee that my wife will get a good laugh out of it at my expense once she realizes what I'm doing. That's okay. I'm used to it.
Most listeners wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a quality expensive amp and a quality reasonably priced one. The best engineer is the one who can get great sound out of a ciricuit without breaking the bank. Using the most expensive parts just means they used the most expensive parts. Let's face it, silicon is cheap, Beauty does not mean it sounds better. A better design and listening tests do have an impact on the end result and sound produced. I've been given amps because they were ugly. One was a integrated that didn't have exterior beauty. But boy, you look under the hood and wow !! And the sound was equality as impressive. The AP amp is a beautiful amp. My kinda aesthetics. The small one is more clinical, kinda can be mistaken for a piece of medical equipment. But both could sound good, or bad. Happy Listening!
I think cheap audio man has to add some platinum iridium crystals with oxygen-free nature that are aligned to the proper ratios of the harmonic interval so that he can properly tune his ears to resonate with the interior resonances of the spheres. I mean this is just basic science.
Thanks Randy for the informational video. Curious , I recall you had a MAC integrated or receiver?? Anyway, how does the sound of the A10 compare to your MAC?
I had some vintage Mac stuff. c15 preamp and the 7270 amp. warmer, very very dynamic. Fun but I hardly used it and I had a lot of money wrapped up in it so I sold it to fund some other projects
This is why I design and build my own speakers and I try to sell them once in awhile. I put $200 crossovers in them MDF covered with solid.75 oak and 10" reference woofers and they are unbelievable. I just try sell them what I pay for parts not even labor but people would rather buy Chinese made big box overpriced speakers
Has anyone ever replaced a pair of RCA inputs? For example I have an old shelf system EQ that I'd like to use on my PC setup and I can only get sound through it if i hold the rca cables a certain way.
Once you realize that most of the classic albums you love listening to were mixed on Yamaha NS-10s, your search for $5,000 speaker cables might seem silly.
Why are VU meters sexy? I don't want any LED or light om my equipment, because I'm listening in the dark. And some people claim that every added electronics diminish the sound
Great review is always I would I would take that extra money and upgrade the speakers that's where the most listening changes happen in your speakers keep up the great reviews
The LS50’s are totally dependent on partnering equipment. If not 200w then it’s falling short. They can sound really lifeless and bad the wrong amp is used.
Just an update on the LC 30 gain issue they have offered to replace my unit to fix this. Post one out. Appears a couple of parts inside need to be replaced to resolve this. If a customer has the ability to fit these they will send them out. Fosi customer service is top notch so far 👌 Will update when it arrives.
Why spend more, cause they don’t break like these small cheap amps…..which mind you, do sound great, sometimes loaded with modern day features. I had a Loxjie A30 driving a pair of Canton PlusS, Sattelites rated at 4ohms, and feeding a Martin Logan 10 inch Sub. One day after about two months…it just stopped working. First Amplifier to ever do so. All metal casing, great feature set, and its minimal footprint, checked all the boxes for my bedroom system. Simply no kite output.
Well, I can say, at least to my ears, the $74 Fosi V3 sounds better than the, at time of purchase, $900 XTZ Edge A2-400 amplifier. My buddy says his Fosi ZA3 sounds better than his $2000 PS Audio S300. He put the S300 up for sale on US Audio Mart after doing a shoot out. Go look, it is on there, for sale out of Michigan... Diminishing returns folks.
I like that the expensive stuff exists. The flip from the 70's makes me laugh however. A loudness button or the need for any + or - bass/treble meant you bought garbage. Anything made in Japan was trash and so on. I do think more $$ bought much better sound then. As everything approaches the Nth degree, the seperation becomes much less. The next reason to upgrade everything is right around the corner so save your pennies. Thank you for delicately pleasing many different opinions.
If you start getting into to higher end equipment and pick the right pieces (synergy) everything makes a difference. If you’re go to is something from china probably will not matter what you buy. Save up buy American made products or European. You will be happier and you avoid having pieces of equipment that are a waste of money. So my theory is spend more upfront and save in the long run. Diminishing returns start at $100,000 IMO!
10:44 - "Do you want me to put a percentage on it... 85%" - an unfortunate difficulty in making a "relative comparison" is that it is based on the REST of one's gear / the resolution of one's current system 😊. ...and so folks should be mindful of any comparison, especially one's done at home within one's own system.
@@cheapaudioman Well, I wouldn't say that (as you are far from a Rookie!) ...for we have no choice but to make comparisons based on the level of our current systems. I just wanted to throw out some food for thought and to hopefully help people improve their systems.
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Being a Parasound amp owner (zonemaster 2, 2125v2), I took it for granted that every amplifier has what mine has: at least a trigger input (bonus is a trigger output to turn on the subwoofers), loop out RCA for subwoofers, bonus crossover Hz adjustment, bonus gain adjustment, bonus stereo/bridged selector.
While shopping for a new amp (< $3k) in the last week, I was surprised that very few amps even have a trigger input. We're in 2024! Components need to talk to the TV, AVR, etc.
No trigger input=no sale for me (I cancelled my order for the Musical Fidelity M6s PRX amplifier and a used Passlab xa25 which is $5k new).
The NAD C298 and M23 have so many options in the back like my Parasound.
I'm 64 years old. My ears are about the same age. Why would I spend $2400 on my $240 ears? I built the Mavin 6 pack speakers about 6 years ago. They still sound awesome to me. I also built a center channel from him that blew away my Polk center channel. Movies shake my entire house with no subwoofer. He told me I didn't need one. Now I have an SVS that helps the cats jump on top of my Mavins. Sometimes I'm caught off guard and swing my head to the side to see the sound I'm hearing. The stage is wide. Got about $500 in the whole thing. Powered by a Yamaha 300 series AV unit. Love your channel because I love truth! Thanks, Audioman!
In a world of $70k power cables and $300K speakers and other luxury audio components it is a beautiful thing that we can find components that do in fact equal or exceed the market pricing in terms of value and performance.
It is also a beautiful thing that beautiful things exist.
Sales, open box, scratch and dent, used, factory refurbished as well as market
competition/technological advancement are the value purchaser’s friend.
Great video content.
🙏🙏🙏 to the Cheap and Value Audio Man
Perfectly stated.
I like the fact that you don't insult those who buy at low end of the budget as well as those who buy higher end. These days you find people insulting the other group and it just muddies the whole field.
It would be nice to see a comparison between a receiver and nice integrated amp. Some people are on the fence between the 2 or even use the receiver in a 2.1 config just for convenience factor which I personally do. My living room wound up not having a great layout so I never set it the 5.1 and am music centric anyways so for me personally I've always wondered how much I leave on the table using a receiver compared to integrated
Thank you for your channel. I'm old and spent many years on Tanks so I've lost some hearing. An honest salesman at Listen Up told me when shopping for new speakers, "If you can't hear the difference, don't pay for the difference" Just like your channel......Saves me lots of money. thanks again.
Thanks for
Your service, brother. I was also on a steel war machine but it was underwater and not nearly as cool
The phono stage on the Advance Paris A10 Classic has 3 levels of capacitance preloading I see (at 8:48). 100pF, 200pF and 320pF. This will help a LOT in the treble response for your turntable/cartridge/interconnects - if there isn't enough treble at 100pF, then you can bump it up to 200pF or 320pF and get more treble.
I conveniently left this out of the video because I didn’t know what it did til right now, Neil
@@cheapaudiomanright - higher capacitance preloading offsets the inherent capacitance of the cartridge/wiring/interconnects. You can select the level that sounds best.
The AkitikA PR-102 optional phono preamp has about 6 levels of capactance preloading with jumpers on the board; as well as gain level. For a bit less than $100 it is a great phono stage.
Thanks for sharing the history behind CheapAudioMan 😃
My pleasure!
@@cheapaudiomanYou said you had too many kids running around. How many? How many if you count the neighbor kids? (You look like a household that has a lot of neighbor kids around. With me, it was my mom. She kept handing out cookies. She thought I didn’t have enough friends.)(Now you know a little of my history. Fair is fair.)
This seems to be a common theme in any musical equipment. When i was a youngin I played the violin. My first violin was right about $100. A couple of years later, my folks bought me an $800 violin with nice wooden bow. The difference was like night and day. I played $2500-5000 violins whenever i had a chance to wring one out, but sound-wise they didn't have a whole lot more to offer than what i had. My instructor had 2 violins that he played consistently. One was about $25k and the other was $300k. Yes, his $25k violin made mine sound like a string tied to a metal bucket. But, I heard him play both of his back to back and yes, the 300k one sounded a little better. That was what he played in live performances. Did it sound $275k better? I guess that depends on who you ask. It didn't to me and probably didn't to 99.999% of the people who listened to him play. But to him, it was worth the price.
Being a Parasound amp owner (zonemaster 2, 2125v2), I took it for granted that every amplifier has what mine has: at least a trigger input (bonus is a trigger output to turn on the subwoofers), loop out RCA for subwoofers, bonus crossover Hz adjustment, bonus gain adjustment, bonus stereo/bridged selector.
While shopping for a new amp (< $3k) in the last week, I was surprised that very few amps even have a trigger input. We're in 2024! Components need to talk to the TV, AVR, etc.
No trigger input=no sale for me (I cancelled my order for the Musical Fidelity M6s PRX amplifier and a used Passlab xa25 which is $5k new).
The NAD C298 and M23 have so many options in the back like my Parasound.
Great review and totally agree. Amps like this Loxjie, The SMSL AL200, Yamaha S301, and Fosi ZA3 have really changed the game for you can get for less than $500 in an amplifier. There is way better stuff out there, you just pay disproportionately more to get there but if you spend enough time with your music its probably worth it to you to make that jump to something nicer at some point down the road.
Yes! This is exactly correct, especially in an age of compromised music sources (.mp3, Bluetooth, etc.). Technology has brought us affordable hifi that exceeds the limits of human hearing.
Another point - Adjustable VU meters? Other than visual appeal, VU meters are meaningless in a listening environment.
some people like to spend money on audio just to brag about it..... the rest of us are definitely not spending 10K on audio equipment just to listen to an MP3. anybody serious about music quality is listening to lossless audio
but sadly all modern equipment is made of dark gray or black ugly boxes. Nothing like elegant wooden style of earlier equipment.
I can state this. I have the SMSL AO300 which is very similar to this Loxjie (minus the phono stage). I also own the Yamaha A-S2200 which is a really really nice integrated. Not related to the lower priced plastic cousins like the 801 etc. . I ran a set of Mofi Sourcepoint 10 from each of these. Anyone with even the most deficient hearing would have been able to tell which amp was driving what. There is a difference and it’s all about that power supply. I do think these smallish class D amps have their place for sure.
Exactly and thank you for adding this very relevant information via your direct experience.
Yep, and power in reserve makes the sound seem so effortless. Muscler matters, particularly at mid to low volume. The sound seems to fill the space with detail and smooth, effortless grace.
I have the a-s2200, it's my end game amp.
Why not throw the Fosi za3 in the mix?
I love the precision science at 11:15. Keep doing what you do
Great video Randy! Nice watch too. 👍👍👍
Thanks, brother!
Rocking the blue steinhart today
I thought that's what you were wearing. Very Nice!
I said it before and I’ll say it again….
That amp is gorgeous!!!!
If it sounds half as good as it looks it’s worth 2500 any day.
I always hear people say “don’t waste your money”…..
If it brings you joy and meets your expectations then it’s money well spent….
I’d rather save for a better product then buy something cheap that under preforms to my expectations.
To each their own and power to you.
Do what makes you happy despite what anyone else tells you! 👍
agreed. these are both excellent values
@@cheapaudioman ya for sure!
I completely agree with the do what makes you happy notion and I also have to say that I appreciate how tastes differ. Personally I prefer a minimalistic appearance and I dislike colored lighting (blue in particular) so I'm happier with my pair of cheap Aiyima A07 Max amps running in mono mode (powered by two laptop bricks I got for free).
As gorgeous as a Rolex with the same blueish display!
@@ThorRavnsborg that’s awesome bro!!
There’s an elegance with minimalist gear as well!
It’s all good and a life long hobby 🍻
One last thought on this is don't be surprised if your $10,000 system doesn't sound as good as a receiver from the '70s or tube amp from the '60s. I hope it does, for your sake, but there's no guarantee that it will. This is something I wrestle with often. Some day I may wanna treat myself to a modern, analog (or mostly analog) amp and a nice set of speakers. But I know what I have already sounds great to me. Grass ain't always greener. Cheers.
Love seeing your Tecnodec TT. I bought one at the Florida Expo and took a picture of it with you. I use the Goldring 1012GX cartridge. Sweeeeeet.
I recently picked up a Dayton Audio HTA100, and for giggles I first put it into my main system with my Klipsch Heresies and it weas a lot of fun. Was it better than the $3K worth of gear (Schitt and Decware) I normally use? No, but it sounded pretty good. And I love it in my office system with a pair of Kanto YU 5.25" passives. A really nice match.
I bet you can come closer with a Fosi ZA3 or Aiyima A07max . A bit more work but a lot more sound.
Thanks Randy...great approachable information and know-how as always!
Very welcome
Well done Randy (CAM), very good work.
I'm using a 1974 Yamaha CR-800 integrated amp that I bought on FB for $400 + 2 decent QED speakers (bought on sale). For my tired, middle-aged, tinnitus-filled ears, it's a dream system. Cheap audio rulez!
Great review and perspectives. Thanks for the background info too. Gotta love VU meters in the signal path. Take care, Sir, and keep your content coming.
Thanks, you too!
Ya I’m always concerned with anything in the signal path. I use bare wire to the binding posts, which most people don’t. I get the ease of use with banana plugs, pins and spades but I’d rather take the time to very carefully connect bare wire because I don’t trust the quality of those connectors in the signal path. Paranoia probably but it helps me sleep at night 😂
@@Audiodreamer192-24that’s called OCD. There are more important things to worry about in the world. Lol.
@@FidelitySoundz oh I know….. we all have our quirks, I shared it for a laugh .
@@Audiodreamer192-24I get it completely. 😊
I inherited a harmon kardon receiver probably 15 years ago, the thing is a machine, I even had one channel dedicated to an automotive set of subwoofers for a very long time at 2.5 ohms, never an issue, our church did a storage cleanup and was going to throw away a carver pt1250 amp, so I grabbed it, the fans had stopped working in it, I found some fan motors, wired them through a thermal switch, have it going to a legion audio 15 that I reconed, it runs off the sub output of the harmon, we later inherited some jbl studio series bookshelf speakers, so the harmon runs two kicker 10's in a gatley audio marketplace find enclosure, and also the jbl's, i put carbon fiber dust caps on the kickers so they appear to be more home audio, both channels of the carver to the duel voice coil 15, and all headed up with an aiyima BT tube preamp with some ge Jan tubes in it, so all in maybe 600$ and sounds incredible, some passive crossovers on the kickers, sub out runs the carver, gains set to not be overwhelming on the big sub, very very happy with this setup..
Smooth transition into the ad.
Plus: one of the best presentations. I expect to see Randy on the Flextape Channel any day now. And I mean that in the nicest possible way!
Hi - I am from Germany and I like to watch your chanel. But I am shocked how different are the prices
..... if you look around the world. The Advance Paris A10 classic I can get here for 1499 € by some dealers.
Liking how you spin it. Worth saying that the speaker choice isn't that much of a worry with the expensive amp. If your driving well behaved bookshelf speakers things get easier for the budget amp. It's worth checking out second hand mid range gear as an alternative to new budget hifi. Especially if your thinking about driving big speakers. All doable for around $1000 too.
Just watching because you are always worth watching. I like to know what's up.
System status:
No new components for now. Not even desired speakers. . Nothing more is worth buying as the bigger problem is apartment environment. I spent instead on some new Nikon gear. Been a while for that, and have now started with Z mirrorless (add to keeping DSLRs).
Vintage 3 head NAD is cassette deck back in another better shop to have just failed main motor (no more of, has be from other they have). The refurb. is gonna cost me total almost $1k. Still much less than a serviced, fine, vintage NAK (best upgrade or replace path option, Just Audio has, for example) or such .
The refurb / repair last year of NAD vintage integrated amp seems good
As someone who just recently put a system together consisting of Loxjie A40 and Elac DBR62's, I am very happy with the sound and features.
The loxjie is good enough for most. Is it good enough for you?
My D40 Pro is currently very good enough for me as a DAC with a Topping A90 Discrete doing duty as an HP amp.
Please are there still in existance all in one home stereos (modern) with speakers (wooden) + turntable + casette and radio (with big horizontal blue light panel) + equalizer with many buttons, no blutooth, no streaming or network, no remote. Must have round chrome knobs for bass, treble and big volume knob. I hate picking components individualy and the mess of cables.
Its market, happens on everything. Furniture a $50 chair vs $500 chair. A car, a cheap car vs expensive. Does the same. I worked on manufacture for example, a peacemaker total production cost $500, market price $15k. Same happens in hifi market.The global market brought options with a low cost of manufacture with a good price. Im listening low cost class D amps from Fosi and Aiyima. Sound pretty good. But recently for fun i tried an small preamp P3 directly to my main power amplifier bypassing the $1k pre with the $80. I like it a lot. Sounded very good, still using it in that way. Definitely a $1k pre has some more body and soundstage. But the cost for that is waaay too much. There are some audiophile channels and they doesnt want to admit a $50 or $100 audio gear sound as good as their high price equipment…
When comparing integrated amps I suggest a test using a reference DAC to both to get a handle on the amplifiers themselves. It so muddies the water when comparing the internal DAC's in integrated amps too. The upgrade path for cheap audiophiles today should always run through DAC's. It would be best to know what the preferred analog portion of the compared amps are. Actually I think manufacturers are messing up by putting DAC's in so many integrated amps. Put the money in the amp, not an average and quickly worsening, comparatively, DAC. Hell, hook them both up right now to your J2. It is likely that mid cheap system, $700 to $1000, could include an amp with a built in DAC that will not be used.
thanks for the tip.
Need this! I was looking for an in-depth review of the Loxjie
Funny because I have a Moon Simaudio (older 2000’s model) and also had LS50’s. I didn’t quite love the sound, short story is I sold the LS50s when I bought and compared them to a pair of Revel M16, now I love the sound, I won’t be touching anything for a while
I replicated your exact action figger experience - except with Japanese anime robot kits and figgers and accessories from the 80s. Voltron, Astro Boy, Zeroids, and much more. Threw 'em in a closet until the early 2000s and then discovered the ebay wild west (which was much friendlier back then regarding taxes and fees). Under two hunnert bux worth of goods turned into a HUGE+++ multiple massive return, with which I bought video gear. Under the impression that High Definition was a passing fad, I bought a studio full of standard definition DV equipment. Oops.
CheapAudio/WatchMan---Randy Great Job as usual----btw,,,,,what watch do you have on? thx!!! steve
My prized possession. Rolex Deapsea JC. Thanks so much for watching!
Compared my rather expensive Prima Luna tube amp (couple of thousand) to an emotiva Bas X amp (couple of hundred), could absolutely tell no difference between the two, this experience utterly changed my view of Audiophilia and Hi Fi
Just remember 35% of the cost of the product is built in for profit,so the more you spend, the more you lose, worked in a hifi shop,our cut was 15%, the 20% then went to the manufacturer, this was 20years ago,things may have changed,but i doubt it .
Now you got me trying to figure out the name of the cellphone provider that's commercial said, "CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW???"
Loxjie A40 is what the cheapaudioman has been telling us all along. Why spend the big bucks when you can be the babe of cheapness and the envy of all your cheap friends it's a thing! I love mine it cranks and sounds awesome!!
I LOVE having the envy of my cheap friends-but not enough to pay for it! 👈koan.
Dude the fail butron has me literally crying from laughing. Randy your the best man love your channel
ha. I get a kick out of it
@@cheapaudiomanYou need one that says, “RMS? I don’t THINK so.”
@@johnfisher3929 brilliant
what streamer would you pair with the Loxjie ?
Simple fact is vast percentage of home audio is done using less than 5 watts of amp power. Why else does a 3/5 watt tube amp work for a lot of people? Why be surprised that a relatively low cost, low power amp will work as well as a high cost, high power amp? Electrical engineering is a mature field of study. Has been for over 50 years. A well designed, good performing amp is easily achieved. Most of the perceived differences is imagined. A properly set up double blind test demonstrates that over and over again. Just saying.
Loxjie are an SMSL sister brand (I think?). I have the Loxjie D30 at home (ESS newer version), hooked up to an Aiyima A08 Pro and Suca-Audio Tube-T1 preamp. Speakers - Dali Opticon 2 MkII.
I don't get the whole VU meter thing. And the cheaper one here looks nice to me.
The advance Paris looks like such a knock off. I can’t get behind it. Hell you can get a proper McIntosh amp for $2500 ALL day on the used market. And they don’t break.
Would u buy a marantez NR1200 or the emotiva pre amp.. Im looking for a new pre amp. Both are $399
Can you compare a Harmon Kardon HK3490 to the Advance Paris A10?
Between Loxjie, Fiio, Fosi, Douk, Schitt and Topping there's so many great relatively budget brands, most of which I found on your reviews! I'd rather take affordable, small and good than expensive, giant and great.
Looks like your phone has a OtterBox Defender type case. Did the Ankerwork charge through case well? Thanks.
I wonder if you heard a Simaudio now, that you have had more experience with other gear, if you would feel differently. For my Klipsch Cornwall , a Simaudio Moon I5 was the best when compared to Rotel 1572mkII, Audire Forte, a Marantz separates set, A Schiit set w/Aegir power amp and best a Cronus Audio Magnum II. You now know more about gear matching than before as well. I have not heard the Sim you had, but all the ones I have heard sound right up there with Audio Research & McIntosh
6 years ago i purchased a matched yamaha system for $239, i'm not going to do any better
@cheapaudioman should do a speaker placement instruction video. one high and one low seems to improve separation/dispersion between floor and ceiling
Hey Randy, how does the Paris A 10 classic compare to your McIntosh integrated amp? I love the looks of my McIntosh c50 preamp, but also like the idea of selling it for around 4500, selling my McIntosh mc352 for about 3000, and enjoying my Klipsch La Scala’s with a buying a brand new A10. What do you think?
great vid. Sort of a philosophical vlog, but i liked it. Just got the Douk meter doodad. hooking it up tomorrow with a variety of new gear to test. My first trip into 'hifi'. After reading stereophile for many years as a young adult, and lusting over their top 10 lists at a budget. Even their 'budget' stuff was outside of my budget. Although, i did buy a pair of Grade headphones, which I still own lol.
The audiophile space is interesting because there is a budget for everything. Now if cam bought a moon amp and ls50 and he didn't like the ls50 that's ok. I have a pair and I think they're amazing. I bought at 800 brand new. At that price they are head and shoulders above everything under 1k. Build, bass, detail, imaging and arguably looks. There's a reason they're on the stereophile a list every year.
Anyway, I think this comparo is interesting but the use case is different. Having a very compact amp with those inputs, especially HDMI, opens them up to home theater, the sound bar crowd, desktop systems and home systems as well. If I didn't already have an elac ea101 for my computer system and a unforced dda120 which the drivers don't work with windows any more, and no more support, same with elac no more android support for the app (700 euro amp, got for 400) I'd be looking at the wiim amp or this loxji (headphone jack is a huge bonus).
I have several amps marantz pm15s1 which would be similar to this advance but it's 100 analog, but it's almost 20kg and gorgeous, but I also have nad 316bee, the elac, the unforced, marantz 6011 ht and I struggle to hear the difference ....
Douk Audio VU22 is a better vu meter and looks more elegant and the needles are moving even when there is barely a signal.
LOXJIE A40 vs WiiM Amp vs NAD D3045. Wich is best for the Elac DBR62 speakers?
Hi mr how do u do unlimited sound on the amp
There certainly is a line of diminishing return but it is not near the $250 line. Heck why not get an old transistor radio. Its really like driving a Kia or a Mercedes. Sure they will both get you where you need to go but the ride is so much more enjoyable in the Mercedes.
CheapAudioMan vs ExpensiveWatchMan? 😀 Nice James Cameron DeepSea you have on your wrist there 👏
Move to A12 for even more better .. I recommended they swap back the TI dac chip to AKM 4499 or ESS 9039Pro to make it sound better and standout of most integrated amp 😅 Please bear in mind, Loxjie is poor support & QC issue
With all that Scottish blood running through my veins, I cannot stand to let go of my money. So I will shop relentlessly looking for the highest performance/quality to price ratio. Geshelli is the perfect example with the base J2S/Archel2.5/E2 products. Table-slapping sound, outstanding sales and support, and very high quality craftsmanship. SMSL is decent, the A0300 (the brother to Loxjie minus the phono preamp) is very high sound quality, functionality, with "we'll see" durability (SU8s DAC died after 1 year). Neil Blanchard has several low cost improvements to cheap bookshelves (
come back to the zooms, Chris!
I love the A/B comparisons big$$ Gear vs. Regular Guy Gear. Randy, do high-end cables make a difference? Can you hear the pure audio bliss, or is it snake oil?
Great comparison! While I'd love to sit watching the big blue V/U meters flip back and forth while enjoying the excellence of a high end phone stage it's just too much for my budget. Also, hearing loss is a thing. My hearing at 60+ is far worse than it was at 20 when I bought my first decent gear. (Yamaha CR440)
Value wise, vintage audio equipment is hard to beat. But it certainly isn't for everyone, and some popular models can be too expensive. But there are still plenty of options, and $200 would get you something decent. Usually, the "low powered" receivers get overlooked, but 25 watts of 1970's power will sound better than 300 watts of Class D Chinese power.
For years I looked for the magic tech that would leave me in audio heaven, well there isn't one . Keep it simple .. Warm to warm no, cool to cool no, balance is the only equation that matters . However it's all great fun ..
Good electronics are neither warm nor cool, unless they're reactive to complex/varying impedance loads, or are not designed well, or are designed purposely to not be flat. All upstream components should produce and amplify exactly the input signal without change.
Well said!
OK, how about this? Someone can ...
- Buy a Loxjie, Fosi, Yamaha, Rotel or whatever plain looking amplifier that satisfies them sonically
- Put that in a cabinet and close the door
- Acquire an old Marantz, Pioneer, or whatever vintage amplifier they find particularly attractive, with a channel or two that no longer work, but the VU meters and such still work (cheap? maybe even free?)
- Put THAT on top of the hifi cabinet
Then proceed to ...
- Enjoy wonderful sound reproduction without breaking the bank
- Enjoy the visual art of some of the best faces that hifi manufacturers have ever produced
- Blow away their friends when it appears that they're listening to a handsome vintage amplifier from the past, but adjust the volume and other settings from the couch using a remote
Will this achieve the actual goal for many of us? Heck, I might try this myself this weekend with my old receiver and my newer Rotel. I can almost guarantee that my wife will get a good laugh out of it at my expense once she realizes what I'm doing. That's okay. I'm used to it.
Most listeners wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a quality expensive amp and a quality reasonably priced one. The best engineer is the one who can get great sound out of a ciricuit without breaking the bank. Using the most expensive parts just means they used the most expensive parts. Let's face it, silicon is cheap, Beauty does not mean it sounds better. A better design and listening tests do have an impact on the end result and sound produced.
I've been given amps because they were ugly. One was a integrated that didn't have exterior beauty. But boy, you look under the hood and wow !! And the sound was equality as impressive.
The AP amp is a beautiful amp. My kinda aesthetics. The small one is more clinical, kinda can be mistaken for a piece of medical equipment. But both could sound good, or bad. Happy Listening!
I think cheap audio man has to add some platinum iridium crystals with oxygen-free nature that are aligned to the proper ratios of the harmonic interval so that he can properly tune his ears to resonate with the interior resonances of the spheres. I mean this is just basic science.
Thanks Randy for the informational video. Curious , I recall you had a MAC integrated or receiver?? Anyway, how does the sound of the A10 compare to your MAC?
I had some vintage Mac stuff. c15 preamp and the 7270 amp. warmer, very very dynamic. Fun but I hardly used it and I had a lot of money wrapped up in it so I sold it to fund some other projects
Thanks Randy.
This is why I design and build my own speakers and I try to sell them once in awhile. I put $200 crossovers in them MDF covered with solid.75 oak and 10" reference woofers and they are unbelievable. I just try sell them what I pay for parts not even labor but people would rather buy Chinese made big box overpriced speakers
Great topic. Well reported soldier👍
Randy\CHAM, any chance you would review the Klipsch Synergy B100 and or B200 ?
Has anyone ever replaced a pair of RCA inputs? For example I have an old shelf system EQ that I'd like to use on my PC setup and I can only get sound through it if i hold the rca cables a certain way.
Loxjie is minimal in design. Paris design is not subtle, I would go for Primare as far as looks Loxjie is an audio Swiss knife.
They also make the A40 Pro, with an ESS DAC chip and MQA.
Once you realize that most of the classic albums you love listening to were mixed on Yamaha NS-10s, your search for $5,000 speaker cables might seem silly.
Why are VU meters sexy? I don't want any LED or light om my equipment, because I'm listening in the dark. And some people claim that every added electronics diminish the sound
Would love to see a Yamaha A-S301 vs Loxjie A40 if you get a chance :) thanks ur the best k thx bai
Great review is always I would I would take that extra money and upgrade the speakers that's where the most listening changes happen in your speakers keep up the great reviews
The LS50’s are totally dependent on partnering equipment. If not 200w then it’s falling short. They can sound really lifeless and bad the wrong amp is used.
great advice. Thanks man!
Awesome pure mission of this channel.
Have anyone of you heard of the sony ss-chx5?
I see a few on ebay and was thinking they could be an option
I think the A10 is one of the best amplifiers you can buy!!
Lol you don't need all the nice gear Randy has but he's still keeping and upgrading all his nice gear... 😅🙃🥳
Absolutely!! Great video 😊
Thank you!! 😊
I count at least three different watches in this video. Any details on the wrist hardware?
lol. This was shot over about 3-4 days. I’d have to watch it all back. The most screen time was the deapsea JC
@@cheapaudioman That thing is sweet! It looks impressive
“listen to more music” - baseline wisdom! Thank you.
A lada brings you where you need to go from point A to B .
So does a ferrari 😊
And a Lada is WAY better over the speed bumps!
Just an update on the LC 30 gain issue they have offered to replace my unit to fix this. Post one out. Appears a couple of parts inside need to be replaced to resolve this. If a customer has the ability to fit these they will send them out. Fosi customer service is top notch so far 👌
Will update when it arrives.
VU meter with sensitivity... hmm that aint look like VU meter since what it shows than - if it have sensitivity knob?
This is very reminiscent of the SMSL AO300
Why spend more, cause they don’t break like these small cheap amps…..which mind you, do sound great, sometimes loaded with modern day features. I had a Loxjie A30 driving a pair of Canton PlusS, Sattelites rated at 4ohms, and feeding a Martin Logan 10 inch Sub. One day after about two months…it just stopped working. First Amplifier to ever do so. All metal casing, great feature set, and its minimal footprint, checked all the boxes for my bedroom system. Simply no kite output.
Well, I can say, at least to my ears, the $74 Fosi V3 sounds better than the, at time of purchase, $900 XTZ Edge A2-400 amplifier. My buddy says his Fosi ZA3 sounds better than his $2000 PS Audio S300. He put the S300 up for sale on US Audio Mart after doing a shoot out. Go look, it is on there, for sale out of Michigan... Diminishing returns folks.
I just sent him a reply on his ad.
Date: 22 Match, 2024. Time: 11pm Manila time
@@jayem1826 I heard, he called me today, did you get his reply?
I like that the expensive stuff exists. The flip from the 70's makes me laugh however. A loudness button or the need for any + or - bass/treble meant you bought garbage. Anything made in Japan was trash and so on. I do think more $$ bought much better sound then. As everything approaches the Nth degree, the seperation becomes much less. The next reason to upgrade everything is right around the corner so save your pennies. Thank you for delicately pleasing many different opinions.
Love your conclusions 😅👍🏻😎
Nice name!
Imagine how his mind must work to come to those conclusions! It must be like a hifi Waring blender!
And it’s good to see you Neumanns sticking together!
@@donneumann6546 Neumann is not just a Name it’s a statement 🤪
If you start getting into to higher end equipment and pick the right pieces (synergy) everything makes a difference. If you’re go to is something from china probably will not matter what you buy. Save up buy American made products or European. You will be happier and you avoid having pieces of equipment that are a waste of money. So my theory is spend more upfront and save in the long run. Diminishing returns start at $100,000 IMO!
10:44 - "Do you want me to put a percentage on it... 85%" - an unfortunate difficulty in making a "relative comparison" is that it is based on the REST of one's gear / the resolution of one's current system 😊. ...and so folks should be mindful of any comparison, especially one's done at home within one's own system.
Classic rookie mistake
@@cheapaudioman Well, I wouldn't say that (as you are far from a Rookie!) ...for we have no choice but to make comparisons based on the level of our current systems. I just wanted to throw out some food for thought and to hopefully help people improve their systems.