Movies That Wrecked Directors' Careers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2024
- All it takes is one strike to derail your career in Hollywood, and it can be a long, arduous process to get back in the game. That was the case for Damien Chazelle, M. Night Shyamalan, Gore Verbinski, James Mangold, and countless others. One misstep was all it took and some of them were out of work for years, decades, or their whole lives.
In this video essay, I want to take a look at Movie Jail (or Director Jail, if you prefer), specifically what it is and how one lands there, those that have landed there and how they got out, and how Hollywood can change to ensure it's less of a recurring thing.
00:00 Intro
00:30 The Curious Case of Damien Chazelle
03:58 How & Why Movie Jail Happens
11:29 Other Directors in Movie Jail
21:10 Finding a Happy Medium
#damienchazelle #mnightshyamalan #entertainment #films #movies #babylon #lalaland #whiplash #avatar #jamescameron - บันเทิง
I always found it kind of ridiculous that a director is expected to make hit after hit all in a row with no mistakes at all. It's not realistic.
Kinda, but also when you are running a production with tens of millions or even hundreds of millions in backing, you are expected to deliver. Athletes have a bad week and people want their head, a whole season and the owners are looking at other options. Some directors seem to be immune to this and continue to make bomb after bomb though.
They become the scapegoat although at every stage there is a studio exc..but then they wipe their hands off and run away.
Tarantino, Nolan, and Scorsese beg to differ.
well he chose to make a super expensive film - he knew what he was getting into.
@@deusexmachina9776 Also except The drummer movie, I havent really liked Damien’s films!
The fact that Zack Snyder still has an active career despite the fact he hasn't made a profitable and well received movie since 300 is astonishing.
It's ridiculous how certain figures in Hollywood (not just directors) get kicked to the curb with one misstep, or worse yet, don't even get opportunities in the first place, while others keep inexplicably finding work.
And he’s made Rebel Moon, and still thinks he’s the shit. He needs someone to palm him in the face and remind him he’s a director, not a writer
Someone tweeted about this, and Greg Silverman, former president of WB actually tweeted back and clarified “Not true. We lost some money on GAHOOLE and a fair amount on SUCKERPUNCH. The rest of his films at WB were very profitable.
Very.”
He never delivered the insane amount of money Marvel produced in it's golden age, but most of his films have been profitable. Furthermore, he has a legion of fans that will watch anything he makes, so a certain base level of profit is almost guaranteed with his films as long as he keeps budgets under control.
@@ThaninViriyaki Yeah, I heard about it. And just like anyone with a working brain, find it very strange how the guy didn't provide any evidence for what he said.
Yet there is plenty of evidence to prove him wrong.
I hope Damien Chazelle makes another low budget movie. Whiplash proved he can do a lot with a little.
He has another movie that’s apparently set to come out in 2025 or 2026
Lies again? Debit Card USD SGD
@@NazriBuang-w9v What do you mean by this?
The biggest problem with Babylon, was its marketing along with its name. All they were showing in trailers were people dancing, drinking, having sex and doing drugs.
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There was no interesting dialogue or premise of what the movie was really about in its marketing. So, no one showed up.
Agreed. The transition from silent films to sound is a very interesting era for me, but I never knew Babylon was about that, so I ignored it for a long time.
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I loved Babylon, but have no idea why they thought it would be a mass market crowd pleaser.
To be honest, they released the movie too late in my country cause that time they already release it on digital
A three hour passion project about the most self absorbed subject a filmmaker can tackle was given 80 million in production costs alone. I totally agree that the producers are just as liable as the director.
It's way too soon to say either way with Damien Chazelle or James Mangold. But I'm shocked no one here has mentioned Tom Hooper with Cats. Guy won an Oscar for directing and hasn't even been heard of since Cats.
James Mangold has already a Swamp Thing movie lined up for DC, if Gunn/Safran get DC Studios in a good place I'd say a Mangold directed Swamp Thing is easy money after what he did for Wolverine.
He was a director and producer on the HBO His Dark Materials series.
@@LBAW Pretty sure he worked on that before Cats came out?
@@LostFanaticBenLinus Possibly. Looking it up, they both came out at the end of 2019, so it’s possible. At most, he was working on them at the same time.
Fincher should've won that oscar. He towers over Hooper as a director.
studios putting a director in movie jail when they were the ones who chose to release a film during a GLOBAL PANDEMIC is absolutely insane.
people seem to forget it but Akira Kurosawa was in director jail in Japan in the mid to late 70's after Dodeskaden and quitting/fired from Tora Tora Tora. He was only able to get KAGEMUSHA made because Coppola, Lucas, Spielberg came to the rescue.
Thank God they did. His next after Kagemusha, RAN, is one of the best films ever made.
@@trevorwhiteboy2649 and now Coppola who is around the age that Kurosawa was when he made RAN has his new dream project movie out.
@@unkopower7899that will eventually flop obviously
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I believe in Damien Chazelle.
In Chazelle We Trust
Tis a shame cause Babylon is my favorite project he’s done, I immediately went to the theater the same day I found out about it.
Babylon is one of the best. If it was directed by Tarantino, it would get acceptance it deserved. People don’t want Chazele to be experimental.
Babylon sucks
The growing appreciation of Babylon inside me is getting stronger day by day
All of Kubrick’s movies made studios money, that’s why studios gave him what ever he wanted . . Ridley Scott has a much more erratic box office record but when he hit big, it was huge.
Yup, also why Kubrick never went to movie jail. I suppose part of it was a strong trust in him from Warner Bros., which not a lot of directors get. Kubrick could get his budget + time + control because he was able to successfully deliver solid movies that, in addition to being good, also didn't lose money. Other director's were bigger, but WB wanted to be in the Stanley Kubrick business.
Scott is more of a working mans director than Kubrick. Part of it always feels like Scott is trying to catch up on movies he wasn't able to make because he got started directing at 40ish as opposed to in his 20s or 30s. But by dint of having so many movies to make, it stands to reason some of them might be missteps (majorly in the case of Napoleon, but the man loves his historical epics).
I don't know how well the Shining did, but it was bombed by critics back then. Clockwork Orange the same.
@@Syntopikonwell outside of this superhero movie era Warner was one of the most approachable for many directors simply for their legacy. Even Snyder was given so much money for Watchmen at the time to the point you have an animated film and a whole mockumentary on the first Nite Owl that is 20 minutes long. Clint Eastwood is another who yes has had a series of flops in recent years, still was allowed to make films with Warner. In fact Clint had stayed loyal with WB since his first directorial work. It’s also a reason why I like a group like Sony Pictures Classics where their films carry actual weight of directors and their authorship onto their films. I unfortunately have to root for the dumb major movies Sony makes just to keep SPC alive.
Not true. 2001was bad enough that he had to do Clockwork Orange to prove that he could make a movie cheap. And he only made The Shnng becuse he needed a hit after Barry Lyndon. Most Kubrick movies where not appreciated on release and only got credit about 10 years alter.
@@AgentLemmon The Shining made 47m on a 13m budget, so it more than broke even. Clockwork Orange was even better, grossed 114m on a budget of just 1.3m
Babylon was released in a time where counter programming doesn’t exist. Babylon should’ve done moderately well (though the high budget would always be an issue) as the adult drama placed against the general audience big blockbuster, but the previous Christmas had a similar situation with West Side Story, Licorice Pizza, and Nightmare Alley all being major flops against Spider-Man. The barbenheimer meme was so large that we had an exception, but otherwise it’s been hard for non IP blockbusters to compete against the tent poles in the current times.
Especially when the tentpoles cast such an overwhelming shadow, as Avatar: The Way of Water did. Both were 3+ hour films, but in order to sell that to a lot of people, they need to buy the fact that the director can deliver 3+ hour worth of solid content.
@@Syntopikon and the major studios get every theater and showing booked too. Spider-Man and Avatar both played on most screens in any multiplex in all kinds of different formats. Tom Cruise had this exact problem when Paramount set a hard date for M:I7 right before with the double whammy of Barbenheimer, thus the movie got reduced to barely any screens only a week in. And that was for a $300m film too. Imagine what a 50m goes through in that scenario
I actually loved Babylon. Like legitimately loved it. Lol
I thought the film was interesting if you’re interested in the change of silent Hollywood to films with sound. The history of the silent era & its end.
@@SyntopikonI wish James Cameron would do something else. He’s very talented but some people, including myself, are bored of avatar by now.but I guess he’s helping cinemas in a way. Random kinda 😅
if youre gonna make a 3 hour long movie you gotta bring back the early 1900s practice of INTERMISSIONS, some of us gotta pee and would rather watch that stuff at home so we can pause
I'm glad they do intermissions for Indian films, and most of them are even filmed around where the intermissions are placed to get you excited for what happens next.
May Denis Villeneuve have all the time and money he needs. May his audience have the intelligence to grant him the successes he deserves.
Yup. He's delivered consistently good + successful movies. Dune 1 would've done better had it not been for things being up in the air thanks to the pandemic. But he's one of the few directors I can think of that has delivered successful original movies like Prisoners, Sicario, and Arrival.
You just called all the non fans of Villeneuve's idiots. As a non fan, I have to say that Villeneuve tries to imitate Tarkovsky and Kubrick, but fails due to the simple fact that he doesnt seem to understand what made their movies great. Be it Stalker or 2001, they were all engaging in one way or another. Incendies and Arrival were his best works, because there was no big need for exposition and when needed Villeneuve stayed true to himself and didnt have to reach (the sequence about Heptapods was a nod to his early career as a documentary filmmaker and was both necessary and well balanced, given the subject matter). Arrival really won because of Villeneuve's brooding and contemplative style, not in spite of it.
Dune movies, on the other hand, required exposition dump, required character engaging scenes, but they were all equally distant and sterile, so non readers missed so much and book readers only had nods and references to much important stuff.
So, I think, Villeneuve doesnt respect characters, doesnt respect dialogues, doesnt respect traditional narrative structure, which doesnt necessarily have to be a bad thing, but he should choose projects wisely, he is very limited, relying too much on set pieces to carry emotional engagement, reminiscient of "theme park movies" which do have dialogues, but they, just like Villeneuve's movies, exist as a prelude to the real meat of the movies - set pieces, or action pieces, if you will.
@@Syntopikonhow come blade runner 2049 didn't get him in movie jail? 👀
@@CATDHDwaaaah
@@dmen0563 ok, your response was pretty funny😅. You win
It's insane how much money La La Land made for an old fashioned musical.
I think that one caught everyone by surprise. I think most assumed musical's were a bygone genre (in terms of box office performance). Now, it seems as though we're getting more musicals BUT they're not being marketed as such.
"It's insane how much money Joker made for a character study movie about mentally ill person in the 70s."
And one with such sloppy choreography.
Almost as if what audiences want is a fantastic crowd-pleasing movie which La La Land was.
@@CATDHD Joker is well known character of DC though. Truly original films are harder to greenlight
Hollywood is a dark place man, if a struggling director refuses to take the studio's shitty project then that director is banned to ever work in the industry. Same goes for the actors and the actresses. A proper puppet technique.
I think the older model of "one for me, one for you" worked well. That way, the studios were happy that a director made a hit for them and a director was happy that the studio funded their passion project (which could be a hit, too).
@@Syntopikon Oh yea, but then again there's a reason why "Greed" is one of the deadliest sins.
No one has a divine right to make movies: unless they pony up the dough themselves.
Feel free to be a bartender, doctor, lawyer or construction worker: plenty of opportunities for those.
Actors are given far more chances. The only way to ruin your career as an actor is with sexual assault allegations or saying something offensive on the internet
@@NoCluYT oh yeah, remember what happened to Mel Gibson?
Damien Chazelle isn’t even in movie jail. He has a new movie at Paramount slated for next year. Budget is smaller, but he is still working with the same studio
I think studio will control his movie from now on.
Movie probation then
That’s not the only thing that’s wrong, there are many little error’s I wanted to write a comment correction some but I think this video is probably ai written so that would be to much work for something like this.
@@mohdamerulaidilbinrazisahm7317 why?
Not to mention its been less than 2 years since babylon came out directors dont have to announce a project every year 😭
Shyamalan is a risk taker, loves what he does, not for everyone but great choices from him. His choice to put his house on mortgage could have been a disaster but it paid of in the long run.
It's pretty admirable. A true entrepreneur. Most of the movies since The Visit were self-funded, and he does his best work with small, weird movies as opposed to blockbusters.
sure but overall he’s not that great a filmmaker. if the majority of what you are making even if you are taking risks if they are failing than that’s not a good sign
@@paulelroy6650 I don't know your understanding of "Great filmmaking". i believe engagement with the story and caring about the characters as great filmmaking techniques/storytelling, and most of his films achieve this, so yes to me he is a great filmmaker. Failing financially does not equal bad film, just bad luck.
Babylon is still a masterpiece to me. 🎬
So underrated movie
To me it’s absolute trash.
nah, it sucks
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3 hours of Hollywood sucking its own --.
It fucks me off because we're in a period where studios blame audiences for not seeing their movies, yet they either start advertising these things like a month before they come up; 2 years before we'll even see anything else on it, or just not at all.
And I'm getting sick and tired of being blamed for something flopping, when it's marketing is so piss poor.
Yeah, it seems like there's always a blitz at the announcement and then in the last couple months before release, but I'm surprised they don't have more of a drip marketing campaign for movies. Maybe it's because it won't work, but I dunno why they don't start releasing behind the scenes footage that doesn't give stuff away in the mid-range lead up. I'd find that more interesting than another perfunctory actor interview.
Let's not pretend as if the audience have no part to play because even I am guilty of this, I would rather watch something from an established IP than a new movie so I get what you mean but some of us are just butterbrains
Francis Ford Coppola is another big director who was put in movie jail for One from the Heart
he should stay in movie jail. scummy ass human protecting a convicted pedo
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Coppola made his own studio so he can make his movies without all this BS.
should’ve staying in movie jail. mf defended a convicted chomo
@@numberjuan469 is that English?
The fuck is a chomo?
Babylon was such a bizare experience. It starts with an elephant shiting itself and I was like "what the actual fuck is this?" and for a while it wasn't doing much for me, but then we get to that chaotic scene where Nellie is shooting her first talkie scene and I was blown away, and after that the film kept getting crazier but also more beautiful and at the end, while almost bawling my eyes off, I was like "ok, this is fucking amazing". One of my favourites from that year. It was like Singing In the Rain meets The Artist (both films I love) but on cocaine.
Chazelle is a generational talent. He’s not going away anytime soon.
He’s fine I honestly think he’s talented. I liked whiplash and la la land but neither stay with me years later. Moonlight did. Women talking does prisoners. Whiplash is well written but to me the majority of its success rest on JK Simmons. He’s gonna make anything great. Also gosling made la la land.
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Surely Alex Cox is the best example of a director in movie jail. Walker was so controversial it wrecked his career completely
It also depends on how much you want a Hollywood career. I dont see Cox as the type who went around LA kissing ass and begging for a second chance after Walker.
@@unkopower7899 Firstly that and secondly Cox is a respected cult figure one of the directors who made your favorite directors' favorite movies type of guys.
Singer didn't direct Dark Phoenix, it was Simon Kinberg
A major mistake that could've been easily avoided with minimum knowledge/research (i.e. google) making the entire video embarassing.
@@YY-mi9rfthank you. ridiculous
I bailed after 30 seconds. This guy’s dictation is atrocious. I’m not surprised there’s factual errors in it. It sounds like this guy is reading about a subject he has no interest and/or knowledge in, off a teleprompter. It’s a shame because this could be an interesting topic to make a video about, preferably by someone who actually cares about the subject they’re talking about instead of some hack trying to get Ad views. There’s way too much of this shit going down on TH-cam these days and I’m pretty sick of it. Either way, I’d rather hear nails on a chalkboard as opposed to this voice for another 30 seconds. You guys are braver than me.
@@7Jstamper 💯💤💤💤
Couldn't get past the elephant shitting and the guy getting pissed on within the first 10 minutes of Babylon. First Man is so underrated.
First Man was a solid movie. Definitely deserved its VFX Oscar.
Just as I predicted in my review: pschadenberg.blogspot.com/2023/01/babylon-2022.html
I stopped watching right after that. Sickening. What people loved about it baffles me. That’s not art.
@@StellaAdler_"I stopped watching it 10 mins in" "What people loved about it baffles me, that's not art".... Yeeeah u didn't watch the movie, u clown, how would u know?
@@Syntopikon maybe *First Man* would have made more money if he didn't delete the American flag raising on the Moon. When people heard that, it turned a lot of people off. Like it or not, the Apollo program was done for national pride and achievement. To eject the very point of _why_ we went was a major disservice. I still really like the movie, I just wish that he didn't pander to the Left and didn't feel ashamed about making a movie about American Exceptionalism.
Damien Chazelle's career is not wrecked lol. He's already got another in the movie in the works and signed a deal with Paramount post-Babylon. Every great director misses once in a while.
Director Martin Brest came off the spectacular "Meet Joe Black" with "Gili." He never worked again.
I never knew that M. Night Shamamalan took out a loan against his house just to make The Visit and another loan to make Split. That’s some hardcore dedication that paid off. He basically flexed on everyone saying that he’s still got it. Not every film he makes will be a hit, but I’m always eager to see whatever he’s cookin. M. Night or BUST!
If there's a "movie jail", then there's a "Get free out of jail" card around because there's also too many writer directors making money despite making sh1t...
"Hey, I resemble that remark!"- Zack Snyder
Paul Schrader is a good example of a guy who's been to movie jail multiple times, but always managed to stay up directing low budget stuff and come back with a banger after a while.
Richard Kelly is one very sad example. Southland Tales was an ahead-of-the-time masterpiece that was sadly misunderstood and messed up theatrically. I hope with the recent resurgence of Southland Tales and its growing cult status he will get another chance - he hasn't done anything since The Box.
One person who was in movie jail for around a decade, which was absolutely criminal, was David Cronenberg - the fact that one of the greatest and most influential directors of all time couldn't manage to get a movie made for almost a decade, had multiple projects cancelled, and had to resort to writing a book and playing supporting characters in TV shows in order to get some money for Crimes of the Future...
Paul Schrader strikes me as something of a difficult case in that I'm not sure that he's in, or ever was, in movie jail, insomuch as he just didn't want to be a big part of the system. Directors like Greta Gerwig, Damien Chazelle, and M. Night strike me as ambitious individuals that want/wanted to play with the biggest canvas available. But I never got that feeling from Schrader. He always struck me as someone who preferred to do smaller films but with creative control - and didn't want to cede any of the latter.
As someone who enjoyed Donnie Darko, I feel the same about Richard Kelly and hope he's able to make a comeback. Unfortunately, he's been out for so long that each passing year might be a strike against him. But, then again, Hollywood loves nothing more than a prodigy making a comeback. Kelly was like 25/26 when he did Donnie Darko and it's been almost that many years since the movie came out.
Cronenberg has always struck as one of those directors that one should be happy to fund because he creates interesting work. It's kind of like Guillermo del Toro or Paul Thomas Anderson in that regard. Will their movies make money? It'd be nice if they did. But will they craft something great that, if nothing else, will bring your studio some recognition, either awards or a cult-like following? That's a safe bet.
The story of Heaven's Gate is more telling than that. UA took outside money on the production, not unusual, but they took part in dealing with Cimino, which meant he was directly funded by first-time producers from completely outside the industry. As filming went along, spending more and more, the newbies stepped in and demanded to know where all the money was going. Cimino showed them a "sizzle reel" filled with beautiful shots that were put together with painstaking detail, so much detail that he described the clothing on extras being handmade and period correct for the time. This looked and sounded amazing to the producers, so they just let him go. They didn't get dailies, and they didn't ask questions after that, assuming he would blow the market away with his passion project. UA had little to do with the actual production.
Amateurs.
Yeah, Cimino went crazy with the money, and everyone got what was coming to them. EVERY movie needs cost controls. Dealing with them effectively is half the creativity of the profession. On that subject, RIP Roger Corman, we need him now more than ever. There's no GOOD reason we shouldn't have an army of low-budget auteurs slamming together original films for $250k all over the streaming services.
yep, creative usually complain about the money people but it's very unethical to waste other people's money like in Heaven's Gate
JJ Abrams seems to be in movie jail as well post ROS.
I mean JJ is like a roach, and I love him. He finnessed WB out of millions for a project that never happened 😂
With no possibility of parole hopefully
@@Juan-tm8fk yep, he got a nice little retirement package out of them 😅👏🏾
Good.
If only the fact that the movies are bad would be a reason for movie jail, then Michael Bay and Zach Snyder wouldn't have had a career in a long time. But since RoS made a lot of money, he's more like in a personal exile than movie jail.
Babylon being his downfall is just so ironic and poetic lol
Babylon want his fault.
Robert Townsend is another great example. Hollywood shuffle was a movie made for 40 to 60K. To be more specific he maxed out his credit cards. The return on the movie was 5 million dollars… that’s insane.
Next thing you know he’s making a big budget movie called meteor man with pretty much every black celebrity except Denzel, Washington and Wesley Snipes .
The film cost 20 million to make and it’s returned was a poultry eight Million. He never truly had a shot to make a big budget film again.
That's a solid point. I know a lot of directors have described having a small budget as something of a forcing function for creativity: you lack the money, so you MUST get creative (in writing, acting, directing, or even cutting corners [safely]). Kevin Smith seemed to be the same way - Clerks was great but as his budgets got bigger, movie quality suffered.
You are absolutely right! Smith’s films definitely suffered after Clerks.
No it’s not. Because he didn’t go from Hollywood Shuffle to Meteor Man.
He directed Eddie Murphy’s Raw. Then The 5 Heartbeats.
And there was no jail for him. He was back directing by 97. 4 years after MM.
And, Hollywood doesn’t put you in jail while allowing you to create and star in your own TV show, The Parent ‘Hood as well as Townsend TV.
I’m talking about big budget films… yes, I know about raw I own it. I’m not gonna count concert films as the same.
Also, I said in my original comment “ the next thing you know” I never said he immediately moved to make a $20 million film.
He ran out of money on the five heartbeats… and it was a struggle for him.
We’re talking about why opportunities are taken away after let’s say a 20 million film flops and you’re not given an opportunity to create a big budget film again.
TV before streaming was pretty much jail time for actors, writers, and directors who were cast out by holly wood Studios. Netflix changed the game .
@@keithwalker3989The next thing LITERALLY means the next thing. Lol
20 million ain’t a big budget movie. And he was given opportunities.
Townsend was never in jail. He just isn’t a good/great director.
Stop digging.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention David Robert Mitchell, he directed It Follows and the follow up Under The Silver Lake was basically buried by A24 until it was begrudgingly released on streaming. Such a good movie that sadly wasn't given a proper run by the distributor.
"But he was back on top with The Happening" made me chuckle
Thank god there’s such a thing as independent films.
Indie movies are also flopping too even A24 is getting the message and trying to diverge into blockbusters
Chazzelle will be fine he has stuff lined up.
Also babylon is underrated
directors careers dont get 'wrecked' by one movie. I've seen bad movies from Speilberg, Scorsese, Hitchcok, Coppolla, Welles, Eastwood, Allen, Polanski, Leone, Scott...
James Mangold is already on his way directing his next movie A Complete Unknown about musician and singer Bob Dylan. Despite the poor box office performance of Dial of Destiny (which I did like then most people), Mangold has proven himself on and off that he can make studio movies in various genres and budgets to both commercial and critical success. One of the reasons he managed to move from Dial of Destiny to A Complete Unknown is because he was already attached to make the latter around the same time he was asked to do Dial of Destiny. So he was always going to jump to A Complete Unknown no matter what, and he’s currently filming it right now. However, I do think it’s very obvious that budget for A Complete Unknown is not anyway near the 250 to 300 plus million dollar range 😂.
He seems to be attached to Swamp Thing for DC Studios too, so he might get a comeback on the big budget stuff.
John carpenter is a good example of this, every film he's ever done has been low budget, great success but once he got money for return to LA he just didn't seem to know what to do with it, the film was bloated.
Escape from LA, a sequel no one has asked for.
This is a superbly put together video, i look forward to seeing more of what you produce.
I appreciate it!
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Guy Ritchie was another director that went into movie Jail and came back again
I don't think he ever was in movie jail.
He was given some old IPs to revive which no one thought would be that successful to begin with. That's why no one really blamed him. Plus all of those movies were critical success which is why he made a comeback easily.
@@gabbar51nghAfter Snatch he made this really strange movie with Madonna, that flopped. He got one more chance after that, which then flopped too. He slowly had to climb his way back until he got to Rock’n’Rolla and now he’s up-and-going again
Babylon made my head hurt, but I loved the scene where the movie studio was recording with sound for the first time. It was so intense
It’s still baffling that some of these films cost as much as they do. A listers and sets are the two biggest costs, and when you have a film that has both, you’d better be sure it’s going to appeal to the masses.
The saddest part of this is that Damien Chazelle's Babylon is one of the best films I've ever seen in this century. I still believe that he will survive through movie jail fairly easily.
Babylon is a Masterpiece..🔥
Reminds me of Ryan O’Neal character in Irreconcilable Differences. Makes one hit, then his Gone With the Wind musical goes kaput.
Okay if you directed whiplash I think you should get a one bad movie free pass
Easy to say that when it's not you losing millions of dollars.
I love Babylon than most of the director's movies so no idea why it's so hated.
Correction: Dark Phoenix was directed by Simon Kinberg, not Bryan Singer.
For me, one of the most interesting directors that ended up in movie jail is Dennis Hopper. His first movie (Easy Rider) not only was box office success, it changed Hollywood's cultural and industrial landscape forever. Then he made The Last Movie, which was a risky and experimental film that bombed (I like it very much but its certainly not a movie for everyone), for which he didnt direct another film for 30 years. The worst thing about this is that the studio didnt like the movie when they saw it prerelease and couldnt change the final cut because Hopper had full creative control, so they sabotaged the movie releasing it only in a few cinemas (the minimum required by contract) for only a couple of weeks. I recommend you watch it, even if you dont like it I think it is a special kind of movie that encapsulates the wild artistic vision of its author and reflects on the movie industry and how it effects the people in it and around it.
About as comprehensive as one could get describing the modern state of Hollywood. Great vid!
Carl Rinsch, director of 47 Ronin has also been in film jail since. The film cost 175 million and bombed at the box office.
I recall everyone thinking 47 Ronin was another Dinero film, and avoiding it.
It should be illegal to make films stealing any same or similar title.
Movie Jail seems not to exist for Disney/Lucasfilm
I really tried to like Babylon, but it felt like overflowing visual bloat with a bunch of pretty pictures, and the story was hugely boring around the cast. I understand that the narrative style was almost like the rhythm of a musical, but despite its massive visual style, it felt really hollow. But maybe I'm alone in my opinion.
You’re not alone. The Day of the Locust is way better.
Also there was nothing really new in what it was trying to say or do.
-The transition from silent movies to talkies and the downfall of a silent era star was just covered in The Artist.
-The over the top debauchery was seen in The Wolf of Wall Street.
-The whole Tobey Maguire sequence was almost entirely a carbon copy of the Alfred Molina scene in Boogie Nights.
-And then there was the “history of film” highlight reel at the end that made me more queasy than the elephant diarrhea seen at the beginning of the movie 😂 🤢
Hopefully Chazelle can learn from this and bounce back because Whiplash, La La Land and First Man are all great and he’s got too much talent to disappear entirely
Here's my review of it. pschadenberg.blogspot.com/2023/01/babylon-2022.html
I agree, I thought the movie boring, over the top without substance, and the end was trying to be pretty and dramatic, but it was in fact too long and also boring. And Margot Robbie is playing Harley Queen all over again, she has this character type at least 4 times in her career, it is exhausting.
@@isaacs3822 Carbon copy of the Alfred Molina scene in Boogie Nights? I'm sorry, but, did we see the same scene? While it is tonally very similar, the things that actually happened in the scene and how it unfolded are all completely different. It is not at all a copy of the other scene, even if it was definitely inspired by that scene.
Oscars ruin careers. It is indeed a curse. Lets also not pretend that Barbie was successful because Margot Robbie was in it. Most of her movies flop
Yep. The IP was the star of that movie: could have been any slim blonde in the Barbie role, it would have crushed at the BO.
Ryan Gosling carried that film.
It was successful because it got memed
@Clippidyclappidy itnwas successful because it was good.
I couldn't bear beating till halftime
M. Night Shyamalan is an interesting one: Sitxh Sense was OUTSTANDING and he never made another movie that impacted culture and movieland like this one. He definetly disappointed every Last Airbender-Fan on the planet but he managed to make DECENT movies. Im not EXCITED about his films but im always interested. The Happening, The Visit, Split, Old and Knock at the Cabin are decent entertaining movies. I was surprised how much his last movies entertained me even though they are on some levels even "dumb". I will definetly see his upcoming movie. Not at the cinema but i will likely rent it on Amazon for 4.99$ when its available for rent. Its cheaper than the cinema but enough excitement to pay for it and not to wait for another year until its somewhere for free on any streaming service. My point, he is NOT a very great director of stardom but he is enough to consider for simple entertainment for a few hours.
Bryan Singer was not involved with Dark Phoenix. He was fired from Bohemian Rhapsody with roughly 3 weeks left of production and hasn't directed a new film since. Bohemian Rhapsody, I should add, made over $900 million on a roughly $50 million budget, while also winning the Golden Globe for Best Drama and 4 of the 5 Oscars it was nominated for.
I should also mention that Dark Phoenix was held back by BOTH Fox during and Disney after their merger and the last 40 minutes of the movie were completely scrapped, re-written and re-filmed so that elements originally intended for the film could be directed toward other MCU properties. Disney brought in a ghost crew to finish it up, as many of the people that started working on the film were let go when Disney took over. It was originally meant to be a two-part film, but Disney ultimately had it sent off to die so they could integrate the X-Men brand back into their mainstream Marvel media.
I'd argue Simon Kinberg wasn't going to cook something good with Dark Phoenix anyways, whenever there's a Blade: Trinity scenario going on with a production you just know there's a shit show coming.
Brian Singer was not put in Movie Jail for making any bombs. He was put in Movie Jail because he likes to diddle kids.
Kinberg has the ability to do good work, but it seems he needs to be steered in the right direction rather than taking the wheel himself. Regardless of the man's personal life, both Days of Future Past and (to a lesser extent) Apocalypse were far better films than The Last Stand and Dark Phoenix thanks to Bryan Singer driving his own vision. Then enter Brett Ratner, who was basically the "camera-for-hire" on the third movie, but letting Kinberg take on a $200 million production of that magnitude as his directorial debut was asking for trouble. Along with David Goyer doing double duty on Blade Trinity, Frank Miller writing and directing The Spirit is another good example of what not to do helming your first big movie.
This was well explained. You had my distracted mind unusually focused lol thanks
As someone who's mind is also distracted far too often, I'm happy to help.
I am anticipating the first A.i. directed film. Most of the audience do not appreciate good cinema, they just want something which is mildly entertaining.
The thing that's lowkey upsetting is Babylon was a really good movie and maybe if the marketing wasn't so bad and it was released earlier in the year (or even the next year) it could've been a humongous box office success and another Oscar success but I think the main thing that brought Babylon down was the god awful marketing. Babylon deserved better!
Great Essay - I would say that Peter Jackson got to this point with King Kong (which is utter indulgence) to the point that his next film The Lovely Bones has a $95M take on a 65M budget. Hell...even Christopher Nolan did Tenet and was certainly was more constrained on budget for Oppenheimer. The fact is directors (creatives) need some constraints to make great art. After 1941 Spielberg made Raiders....need I say more!
Agreed that some directors need constraints to make great art. I think the canonical example is Jaws and Aliens - the shark sometimes wouldn't work and the Alien would look like a guy in a suit, so they kept the shark off-screen and the Alien shrouded in darkness: two constraints that helped elevate those movies. Sometimes, a constrained budget just means you need to think outside the box, which can make for a great movie.
You’ve gotta admire Shymalan and his hustle.
I started working for HBO in 1994 and have watched this industry collapse. Hollywood would be doing so much better if they could give more opportunity to indie directors who understand how to stay within budget.
Gore Verbisnki did 3 masterpieces ( Pirates of Caribbean) then just....well.
Hope he gets out of Jail 😂
Likewise. POTC is one of my favorite trilogies and, I would argue, some of the funnest movies ever made.
No mention of Tom Hopper and his disastrous _Cats_ movie?
Cats pussied out.
Subbed! Great content, analysis and uour final points are so well said.
I’m shocked no one mentioned Josh Trank and _Fant4stic_ because his rapid rise and fall was one of the most dramatic examples of it. Although admittedly that also means it really deserves a video of its own.
Great video. Just a little advice: consider improving the audio, cause I could barely make out what you said sometimes.
Simon Kinberg directed "Dark Phoenix", not Bryan Singer.
Shyamalan couldn’t have gotten “back on top with *The Happening*.” That 90-minute environmental PSA was a trainwreck
Love the videos, man. Keep it up!!!
Thanks! And will do!
"back on top with 'the happening '" he said.....he said that, I heard it .....I know what I heard, he referred to 'the happening ' in a positive way. You heard it too, right?
Indeed, I said what I said. Terrible critically, but it did manage to eke out a profit based on its budget, which is a success unto itself.
@@Syntopikon" back on top....."
Shame that uwe bolls career can't be cancelled.
Can I steal your avatar?
Stephen Sagal proved that anyone who really wants to make a movie can find a way.
That's a whole video essay unto itself.
When you're operating at the top level you're asking other people to stump literally hundreds of millions to let you achieve your creative vision. So, yeah, if you don't deliver your opportunities to play with that are going to be limited. To write a book you need a pen. To make a movie you need a team of thousands of people and truly enormous amounts of money.
Really interesting, I had never before heard of "Movie Jail" though it makes sense and could explain why some new directors I enjoy (that don't make blockbusters though) tend to disappear really quickly or enter the indie scene. If I can give some constructive criticism may I recommend trying to have some more fluctuation in your voice? It's soft and nice to hear but tends to be a bit monotone. Fantastic video nonetheless, loved it :) super informative and gave a lot of info but made it super easy to consume.
Thanks for the constructive criticism! Yeah, I'm trying to change the voice and I think I've improved over older videos, but still got a long way to go. I speak in the videos as I do normally, so on one hand, it's unvarnished. But will try to inflect a lot more going forward (though it'll probably take several videos to get into the swing of things).
Directors need creative control other wise the movie just falls apart. Universal truth
The canonical example for me is that the Weinstein's wanted Peter Jackson to tell the entire Lord of the Rings story in 1 movie, Jackson tried to pitch it as 2, and when New Line came in, they said 3 lol
Heaven's Gate and Year of the Dragon had money issues but are legitimately great movies
There are two books written and many documentaries made in regard to the making of Heaven's Gate.
One director who I believe is in movie jail is Richard Kelly. He became huge after his debut film Donnie Darko became a massive hit on DVD and he used the attention from that to make his passion project, Southland Tales, which failed critically and commercially. The next year he came out with his next film, The Box, which also failed. To this day, he still hasn't directed a movie.
Great directors bombs are akin to a great singer making a bad song choice on a competition show. Still talented but stick to what fits if you want to win.
So what gathered is that the internet ruined the director ran Hollywood in the 90s
That's actually pretty succinct and there's a strong argument to be made in favor of it.
John Waters, Francis Ford Coppola, Terry Zwigoff are all in directors jail. Even David Lynch has had recent problems finding funding for his new animation project
I think with musicals there is a fine line between how much singing is just right and too much. Wonka got it just right, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
You're not sure why Patty Jenkins why she didn't get a gig for years after "Monster?" And why her phone wasn't ringing off the desk after making hits. You have heard of sexism, right? Her story is more like an example of not able to win for winning. She succeeded, but that is not enough as a woman, but some men get other chances after terrible failures.
I can’t believe anyone would dispute this, and yet I’ve heard people try to re: Patty. This industry still sucks and has so far to go.
Your narration-style is an interesting choice.
Tiger Woods, right?
18:42 To my knowledge, Bryan Singer wasn't part of Deadpool 2 and Dark Phoenix.
What about William A. Fraker, director of The Legend of the Lone Ranger (1981)
Daniel Barnz, Won't Back Down (2012)
Dean Wright, For Greater Glory: The True Story of Cristiada (2012)
Tom Vaughan, Extraordinary Measures (2010)
Martin Brest, Gigli (2003)
Michael Powell, Peeping Tom (1960)
Michael Lehmann, Hudson Hawk (1991)
Adrian Lyne, Lolita (1997)
Stephen Norrington, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (2003)
Roland Joffe, The Scarlet Letter (1995)
Andrew Dominik deserves a comeback
It's wild there was a 10 gap between Killing Them Softly and Blonde, especially considering how KTS is so good.
i feel like Damien accelerated too fast and studios gave him giant budgets. i feel like he has another great movie with A24 or a simpler low budget musical
I think part of it is also, to a certain extent, ego. Chad Stahelski, who directed each John Wick movie, got roughly the same increases as Chazelle over the same period - $20M to $40M to $75M to $80M for each of the John Wick movies respectively. But Stahelski kept them very tight. He indulged himself with the fights - where it mattered - but kept things going along.
Fantastic video man! 🙌
I would love a good comeback story for David Robert Mitchell and Richard Kelly. Their get out of jail card after misfires is going back to the movie that made them successful. Mitchell with a sequel to It Follows set to go and Kelly suggesting going back to Donnie Darko for more. Fingers crossed.
Shyamalan made one good movie and continues to make horrible stinkers. It's different than being a good director and just making a movie that didn't earn enough money.
Two; unbreakable is genius and is a Bruce Willis’s best acting role
I’d rather watch Babylon then Way of Water any day.
HELL NO!!
Way of Water was actually really good lol much better than the first
@@uhuhuh1966 the first one was really bad I watched it here about three years ago and I’m very skeptical on the new one.
fuck no. you alone on that
@@numberjuan469 nah
Fingers crossed for Rogue Moon 2 being added to the list in the future
What movie is the animated hand pulling a trigger at 6:05 from?
Kill bill vol 1
This is a very intelligent and well produced video. I would suggest that more than a director’s hits in defining their ability is their failures. Hits are usually the result of many contributions, not just the directors’s. Failures usually reveal the director’s inabilities. Babylon was so horrifically bad that I think it indicates Chazelle’s serious limitations. AI imagery will end the myth of the auteur theory. It will prove that the most important element of any film is the screenplay. However, most successful films today are adaptations of novels, comic books, video games, or plays, so even the Hollywood screenwriter will be debunked as AI requires original stories which only a handful of writers can create.
Glad you enjoyed it! I think your point on writing is spot on, and I think that's why it's particularly important for directors to ALSO be their own writers. Akira Kurosawa said “But if you genuinely want to make films, then write screenplays. All you need to write a script is paper and pencil. It’s only through writing scripts that you learn specifics about the structure of film and what cinema is.” Kurosawa also edited his own films, so he really controlled the process from idea to screen, to great effect. More directors would benefit from his example.
@@Syntopikon Yes. However most directors can’t write. A director is like the conductor of a symphony. They don’t play instruments nor write the scores. They are the one set of ears to balance the artistic work of others. That is why the auteur theory-unless a director is also the writer of an original screenplay and also the production designer or editor- is bunk and has harmed the quality of films.
Is it really the directors fault when a film under preforms? I thought the studio was in charge of promoting it for the most part.
That's a fair point, but word of mouth is pretty important as well and I think a director is fully responsible for that part.
M. Night Shyamalan directed The Visit and Split?? Those movies are so good
I hope these directors can get a second chance.