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Movies That Wrecked Directors' Careers

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  • All it takes is one strike to derail your career in Hollywood, and it can be a long, arduous process to get back in the game. That was the case for Damien Chazelle, M. Night Shyamalan, Gore Verbinski, James Mangold, and countless others. One misstep was all it took and some of them were out of work for years, decades, or their whole lives.
    In this video essay, I want to take a look at Movie Jail (or Director Jail, if you prefer), specifically what it is and how one lands there, those that have landed there and how they got out, and how Hollywood can change to ensure it's less of a recurring thing.
    00:00 Intro
    00:30 The Curious Case of Damien Chazelle
    03:58 How & Why Movie Jail Happens
    11:29 Other Directors in Movie Jail
    21:10 Finding a Happy Medium
    #damienchazelle #mnightshyamalan #entertainment #films #movies #babylon #lalaland #whiplash #avatar #jamescameron
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  • @nihilismistheonlyway4680
    @nihilismistheonlyway4680 หลายเดือนก่อน +1619

    I always found it kind of ridiculous that a director is expected to make hit after hit all in a row with no mistakes at all. It's not realistic.

    • @johnmorris8444
      @johnmorris8444 หลายเดือนก่อน +111

      Kinda, but also when you are running a production with tens of millions or even hundreds of millions in backing, you are expected to deliver. Athletes have a bad week and people want their head, a whole season and the owners are looking at other options. Some directors seem to be immune to this and continue to make bomb after bomb though.

    • @amodhsaxena6103
      @amodhsaxena6103 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      They become the scapegoat although at every stage there is a studio exc..but then they wipe their hands off and run away.

    • @user-ez8jd5et9v
      @user-ez8jd5et9v หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Tarantino, Nolan, and Scorsese beg to differ.

    • @deusexmachina9776
      @deusexmachina9776 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      well he chose to make a super expensive film - he knew what he was getting into.

    • @amodhsaxena6103
      @amodhsaxena6103 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@deusexmachina9776 Also except The drummer movie, I havent really liked Damien’s films!

  • @TheElizander
    @TheElizander หลายเดือนก่อน +1051

    The fact that Zack Snyder still has an active career despite the fact he hasn't made a profitable and well received movie since 300 is astonishing.

    • @CraftySouthpaw
      @CraftySouthpaw หลายเดือนก่อน +98

      It's ridiculous how certain figures in Hollywood (not just directors) get kicked to the curb with one misstep, or worse yet, don't even get opportunities in the first place, while others keep inexplicably finding work.

    • @Werewolf.with.Internet.Access
      @Werewolf.with.Internet.Access หลายเดือนก่อน

      And he’s made Rebel Moon, and still thinks he’s the shit. He needs someone to palm him in the face and remind him he’s a director, not a writer

    • @ThaninViriyaki
      @ThaninViriyaki หลายเดือนก่อน +89

      Someone tweeted about this, and Greg Silverman, former president of WB actually tweeted back and clarified “Not true. We lost some money on GAHOOLE and a fair amount on SUCKERPUNCH. The rest of his films at WB were very profitable.
      Very.”

    • @matiasdevaglia4541
      @matiasdevaglia4541 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

      He never delivered the insane amount of money Marvel produced in it's golden age, but most of his films have been profitable. Furthermore, he has a legion of fans that will watch anything he makes, so a certain base level of profit is almost guaranteed with his films as long as he keeps budgets under control.

    • @TheElizander
      @TheElizander หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@ThaninViriyaki Yeah, I heard about it. And just like anyone with a working brain, find it very strange how the guy didn't provide any evidence for what he said.
      Yet there is plenty of evidence to prove him wrong.

  • @miguellee3
    @miguellee3 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +202

    The biggest problem with Babylon, was its marketing along with its name. All they were showing in trailers were people dancing, drinking, having sex and doing drugs.
    .
    There was no interesting dialogue or premise of what the movie was really about in its marketing. So, no one showed up.

    • @One.Zero.One101
      @One.Zero.One101 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

      Agreed. The transition from silent films to sound is a very interesting era for me, but I never knew Babylon was about that, so I ignored it for a long time.

    • @archer1949
      @archer1949 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@One.Zero.One101
      I loved Babylon, but have no idea why they thought it would be a mass market crowd pleaser.

  • @mahdude6625
    @mahdude6625 หลายเดือนก่อน +269

    I hope Damien Chazelle makes another low budget movie. Whiplash proved he can do a lot with a little.

    • @erikdaniels0n
      @erikdaniels0n ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      He has another movie that’s apparently set to come out in 2025 or 2026

  • @LostFanaticBenLinus
    @LostFanaticBenLinus หลายเดือนก่อน +333

    It's way too soon to say either way with Damien Chazelle or James Mangold. But I'm shocked no one here has mentioned Tom Hooper with Cats. Guy won an Oscar for directing and hasn't even been heard of since Cats.

    • @ivanagustinortiz5237
      @ivanagustinortiz5237 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      James Mangold has already a Swamp Thing movie lined up for DC, if Gunn/Safran get DC Studios in a good place I'd say a Mangold directed Swamp Thing is easy money after what he did for Wolverine.

    • @LBAW
      @LBAW 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      He was a director and producer on the HBO His Dark Materials series.

    • @LostFanaticBenLinus
      @LostFanaticBenLinus 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@LBAW Pretty sure he worked on that before Cats came out?

    • @LBAW
      @LBAW 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@LostFanaticBenLinus Possibly. Looking it up, they both came out at the end of 2019, so it’s possible. At most, he was working on them at the same time.

    • @vasvas8914
      @vasvas8914 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Fincher should've won that oscar. He towers over Hooper as a director.

  • @magnus75damkier
    @magnus75damkier หลายเดือนก่อน +721

    I believe in Damien Chazelle.

    • @GaryKetchum808
      @GaryKetchum808 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      In Chazelle We Trust

    • @noneofyourbusiness1114
      @noneofyourbusiness1114 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Tis a shame cause Babylon is my favorite project he’s done, I immediately went to the theater the same day I found out about it.

    • @jahidfasal
      @jahidfasal 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      Babylon is one of the best. If it was directed by Tarantino, it would get acceptance it deserved. People don’t want Chazele to be experimental.

    • @e.f.2
      @e.f.2 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Babylon sucks

    • @acinemalens
      @acinemalens 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The growing appreciation of Babylon inside me is getting stronger day by day

  • @snacktime2497
    @snacktime2497 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +50

    studios putting a director in movie jail when they were the ones who chose to release a film during a GLOBAL PANDEMIC is absolutely insane.

  • @alexisrockman8808
    @alexisrockman8808 หลายเดือนก่อน +280

    All of Kubrick’s movies made studios money, that’s why studios gave him what ever he wanted . . Ridley Scott has a much more erratic box office record but when he hit big, it was huge.

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Yup, also why Kubrick never went to movie jail. I suppose part of it was a strong trust in him from Warner Bros., which not a lot of directors get. Kubrick could get his budget + time + control because he was able to successfully deliver solid movies that, in addition to being good, also didn't lose money. Other director's were bigger, but WB wanted to be in the Stanley Kubrick business.
      Scott is more of a working mans director than Kubrick. Part of it always feels like Scott is trying to catch up on movies he wasn't able to make because he got started directing at 40ish as opposed to in his 20s or 30s. But by dint of having so many movies to make, it stands to reason some of them might be missteps (majorly in the case of Napoleon, but the man loves his historical epics).

    • @AgentLemmon
      @AgentLemmon หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I don't know how well the Shining did, but it was bombed by critics back then. Clockwork Orange the same.

    • @gr-8166
      @gr-8166 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Syntopikonwell outside of this superhero movie era Warner was one of the most approachable for many directors simply for their legacy. Even Snyder was given so much money for Watchmen at the time to the point you have an animated film and a whole mockumentary on the first Nite Owl that is 20 minutes long. Clint Eastwood is another who yes has had a series of flops in recent years, still was allowed to make films with Warner. In fact Clint had stayed loyal with WB since his first directorial work. It’s also a reason why I like a group like Sony Pictures Classics where their films carry actual weight of directors and their authorship onto their films. I unfortunately have to root for the dumb major movies Sony makes just to keep SPC alive.

    • @NostalgiNorden
      @NostalgiNorden หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Not true. 2001was bad enough that he had to do Clockwork Orange to prove that he could make a movie cheap. And he only made The Shnng becuse he needed a hit after Barry Lyndon. Most Kubrick movies where not appreciated on release and only got credit about 10 years alter.

    • @shredheadterminal
      @shredheadterminal หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@AgentLemmon The Shining made 47m on a 13m budget, so it more than broke even. Clockwork Orange was even better, grossed 114m on a budget of just 1.3m

  • @mg6945
    @mg6945 หลายเดือนก่อน +425

    Babylon was released in a time where counter programming doesn’t exist. Babylon should’ve done moderately well (though the high budget would always be an issue) as the adult drama placed against the general audience big blockbuster, but the previous Christmas had a similar situation with West Side Story, Licorice Pizza, and Nightmare Alley all being major flops against Spider-Man. The barbenheimer meme was so large that we had an exception, but otherwise it’s been hard for non IP blockbusters to compete against the tent poles in the current times.

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Especially when the tentpoles cast such an overwhelming shadow, as Avatar: The Way of Water did. Both were 3+ hour films, but in order to sell that to a lot of people, they need to buy the fact that the director can deliver 3+ hour worth of solid content.

    • @mg6945
      @mg6945 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Syntopikon and the major studios get every theater and showing booked too. Spider-Man and Avatar both played on most screens in any multiplex in all kinds of different formats. Tom Cruise had this exact problem when Paramount set a hard date for M:I7 right before with the double whammy of Barbenheimer, thus the movie got reduced to barely any screens only a week in. And that was for a $300m film too. Imagine what a 50m goes through in that scenario

    • @dustingmyguitars
      @dustingmyguitars หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      I actually loved Babylon. Like legitimately loved it. Lol

    • @postrock12
      @postrock12 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I thought the film was interesting if you’re interested in the change of silent Hollywood to films with sound. The history of the silent era & its end.

    • @postrock12
      @postrock12 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@SyntopikonI wish James Cameron would do something else. He’s very talented but some people, including myself, are bored of avatar by now.but I guess he’s helping cinemas in a way. Random kinda 😅

  • @thetrison
    @thetrison หลายเดือนก่อน +337

    May Denis Villeneuve have all the time and money he needs. May his audience have the intelligence to grant him the successes he deserves.

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      Yup. He's delivered consistently good + successful movies. Dune 1 would've done better had it not been for things being up in the air thanks to the pandemic. But he's one of the few directors I can think of that has delivered successful original movies like Prisoners, Sicario, and Arrival.

    • @CATDHD
      @CATDHD หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      You just called all the non fans of Villeneuve's idiots. As a non fan, I have to say that Villeneuve tries to imitate Tarkovsky and Kubrick, but fails due to the simple fact that he doesnt seem to understand what made their movies great. Be it Stalker or 2001, they were all engaging in one way or another. Incendies and Arrival were his best works, because there was no big need for exposition and when needed Villeneuve stayed true to himself and didnt have to reach (the sequence about Heptapods was a nod to his early career as a documentary filmmaker and was both necessary and well balanced, given the subject matter). Arrival really won because of Villeneuve's brooding and contemplative style, not in spite of it.
      Dune movies, on the other hand, required exposition dump, required character engaging scenes, but they were all equally distant and sterile, so non readers missed so much and book readers only had nods and references to much important stuff.
      So, I think, Villeneuve doesnt respect characters, doesnt respect dialogues, doesnt respect traditional narrative structure, which doesnt necessarily have to be a bad thing, but he should choose projects wisely, he is very limited, relying too much on set pieces to carry emotional engagement, reminiscient of "theme park movies" which do have dialogues, but they, just like Villeneuve's movies, exist as a prelude to the real meat of the movies - set pieces, or action pieces, if you will.

    • @dmen0563
      @dmen0563 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@Syntopikonhow come blade runner 2049 didn't get him in movie jail? 👀

    • @dmen0563
      @dmen0563 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@CATDHDwaaaah

    • @CATDHD
      @CATDHD หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dmen0563 ok, your response was pretty funny😅. You win

  • @unkopower7899
    @unkopower7899 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +47

    people seem to forget it but Akira Kurosawa was in director jail in Japan in the mid to late 70's after Dodeskaden and quitting/fired from Tora Tora Tora. He was only able to get KAGEMUSHA made because Coppola, Lucas, Spielberg came to the rescue.

    • @trevorwhiteboy2649
      @trevorwhiteboy2649 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Thank God they did. His next after Kagemusha, RAN, is one of the best films ever made.

    • @unkopower7899
      @unkopower7899 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@trevorwhiteboy2649 and now Coppola who is around the age that Kurosawa was when he made RAN has his new dream project movie out.

  • @Nova_the_starcatcher
    @Nova_the_starcatcher หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    if youre gonna make a 3 hour long movie you gotta bring back the early 1900s practice of INTERMISSIONS, some of us gotta pee and would rather watch that stuff at home so we can pause

  • @Antinome82
    @Antinome82 หลายเดือนก่อน +161

    It's insane how much money La La Land made for an old fashioned musical.

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      I think that one caught everyone by surprise. I think most assumed musical's were a bygone genre (in terms of box office performance). Now, it seems as though we're getting more musicals BUT they're not being marketed as such.

    • @CATDHD
      @CATDHD หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      "It's insane how much money Joker made for a character study movie about mentally ill person in the 70s."

    • @steveconn
      @steveconn หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      And one with such sloppy choreography.

    • @peterschadenberg9045
      @peterschadenberg9045 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Almost as if what audiences want is a fantastic crowd-pleasing movie which La La Land was.

    • @zainmudassir2964
      @zainmudassir2964 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      ​@@CATDHD Joker is well known character of DC though. Truly original films are harder to greenlight

  • @camperroni7935
    @camperroni7935 หลายเดือนก่อน +120

    Francis Ford Coppola is another big director who was put in movie jail for One from the Heart

    • @numberjuan469
      @numberjuan469 หลายเดือนก่อน

      he should stay in movie jail. scummy ass human protecting a convicted pedo

    • @thisismyname3928
      @thisismyname3928 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🚫

    • @sabbathjackal
      @sabbathjackal 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Coppola made his own studio so he can make his movies without all this BS.

    • @numberjuan469
      @numberjuan469 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      should’ve staying in movie jail. mf defended a convicted chomo

    • @sabbathjackal
      @sabbathjackal 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@numberjuan469 is that English?
      The fuck is a chomo?

  • @hutche
    @hutche หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    Hollywood is a dark place man, if a struggling director refuses to take the studio's shitty project then that director is banned to ever work in the industry. Same goes for the actors and the actresses. A proper puppet technique.

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I think the older model of "one for me, one for you" worked well. That way, the studios were happy that a director made a hit for them and a director was happy that the studio funded their passion project (which could be a hit, too).

    • @hutche
      @hutche หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Syntopikon Oh yea, but then again there's a reason why "Greed" is one of the deadliest sins.

    • @danjonmills
      @danjonmills หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No one has a divine right to make movies: unless they pony up the dough themselves.
      Feel free to be a bartender, doctor, lawyer or construction worker: plenty of opportunities for those.

    • @NoCluYT
      @NoCluYT หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Actors are given far more chances. The only way to ruin your career as an actor is with sexual assault allegations or saying something offensive on the internet

    • @hutche
      @hutche 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@NoCluYT oh yeah, remember what happened to Mel Gibson?

  • @ericwhisamore4999
    @ericwhisamore4999 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    Damien Chazelle isn’t even in movie jail. He has a new movie at Paramount slated for next year. Budget is smaller, but he is still working with the same studio

    • @mohdamerulaidilbinrazisahm7317
      @mohdamerulaidilbinrazisahm7317 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      I think studio will control his movie from now on.

    • @mixererunio1757
      @mixererunio1757 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Movie probation then

    • @jannikolaiisfort9432
      @jannikolaiisfort9432 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That’s not the only thing that’s wrong, there are many little error’s I wanted to write a comment correction some but I think this video is probably ai written so that would be to much work for something like this.

  • @delix787
    @delix787 หลายเดือนก่อน +242

    Babylon is still a masterpiece to me. 🎬

    • @FlintGoose
      @FlintGoose หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      So underrated movie

    • @Bonkatsu12
      @Bonkatsu12 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      To me it’s absolute trash.

    • @blameitoncapitalism
      @blameitoncapitalism หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      nah, it sucks

    • @thisismyname3928
      @thisismyname3928 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🤮‼

    • @BrandonToy
      @BrandonToy หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      3 hours of Hollywood sucking its own --.

  • @N-GinAndTonicTM
    @N-GinAndTonicTM 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    It fucks me off because we're in a period where studios blame audiences for not seeing their movies, yet they either start advertising these things like a month before they come up; 2 years before we'll even see anything else on it, or just not at all.
    And I'm getting sick and tired of being blamed for something flopping, when it's marketing is so piss poor.

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yeah, it seems like there's always a blitz at the announcement and then in the last couple months before release, but I'm surprised they don't have more of a drip marketing campaign for movies. Maybe it's because it won't work, but I dunno why they don't start releasing behind the scenes footage that doesn't give stuff away in the mid-range lead up. I'd find that more interesting than another perfunctory actor interview.

  • @Myspace757
    @Myspace757 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Shyamalan is a risk taker, loves what he does, not for everyone but great choices from him. His choice to put his house on mortgage could have been a disaster but it paid of in the long run.

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      It's pretty admirable. A true entrepreneur. Most of the movies since The Visit were self-funded, and he does his best work with small, weird movies as opposed to blockbusters.

    • @paulelroy6650
      @paulelroy6650 หลายเดือนก่อน

      sure but overall he’s not that great a filmmaker. if the majority of what you are making even if you are taking risks if they are failing than that’s not a good sign

    • @Myspace757
      @Myspace757 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@paulelroy6650 I don't know your understanding of "Great filmmaking". i believe engagement with the story and caring about the characters as great filmmaking techniques/storytelling, and most of his films achieve this, so yes to me he is a great filmmaker. Failing financially does not equal bad film, just bad luck.

  • @Count__Dyke-ula
    @Count__Dyke-ula 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Babylon was such a bizare experience. It starts with an elephant shiting himself and I was like "what the actual fuck is this?" and for a while it wasn't doing much for me, but then we get to the scene where Nellie is shooting her first talkie scene and I was blown away, and after that the film kept getting crazier but also more beautiful and at the end, while almost bawling my eyes off, I was like "ok, this is fucking amazing". One of my favourites from that year. It was like Singing In the Rain meets The Artist (both films I love) but on cocaine

  • @Fifagamer48
    @Fifagamer48 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Surely Alex Cox is the best example of a director in movie jail. Walker was so controversial it wrecked his career completely

    • @unkopower7899
      @unkopower7899 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      It also depends on how much you want a Hollywood career. I dont see Cox as the type who went around LA kissing ass and begging for a second chance after Walker.

    • @PictureProductStudio
      @PictureProductStudio 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@unkopower7899 Firstly that and secondly Cox is a respected cult figure one of the directors who made your favorite directors' favorite movies type of guys.

  • @simonpollen4939
    @simonpollen4939 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Great Essay - I would say that Peter Jackson got to this point with King Kong (which is utter indulgence) to the point that his next film The Lovely Bones has a $95M take on a 65M budget. Hell...even Christopher Nolan did Tenet and was certainly was more constrained on budget for Oppenheimer. The fact is directors (creatives) need some constraints to make great art. After 1941 Spielberg made Raiders....need I say more!

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Agreed that some directors need constraints to make great art. I think the canonical example is Jaws and Aliens - the shark sometimes wouldn't work and the Alien would look like a guy in a suit, so they kept the shark off-screen and the Alien shrouded in darkness: two constraints that helped elevate those movies. Sometimes, a constrained budget just means you need to think outside the box, which can make for a great movie.

  • @aaronhepler8070
    @aaronhepler8070 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    Couldn't get past the elephant shitting and the guy getting pissed on within the first 10 minutes of Babylon. First Man is so underrated.

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      First Man was a solid movie. Definitely deserved its VFX Oscar.

    • @peterschadenberg9045
      @peterschadenberg9045 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just as I predicted in my review: pschadenberg.blogspot.com/2023/01/babylon-2022.html

    • @StellaAdler_
      @StellaAdler_ หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I stopped watching right after that. Sickening. What people loved about it baffles me. That’s not art.

    • @stm8872
      @stm8872 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@StellaAdler_"I stopped watching it 10 mins in" "What people loved about it baffles me, that's not art".... Yeeeah u didn't watch the movie, u clown, how would u know?

    • @chrisseay2120
      @chrisseay2120 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Syntopikon maybe *First Man* would have made more money if he didn't delete the American flag raising on the Moon. When people heard that, it turned a lot of people off. Like it or not, the Apollo program was done for national pride and achievement. To eject the very point of _why_ we went was a major disservice. I still really like the movie, I just wish that he didn't pander to the Left and didn't feel ashamed about making a movie about American Exceptionalism.

  • @ideologybot4592
    @ideologybot4592 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    The story of Heaven's Gate is more telling than that. UA took outside money on the production, not unusual, but they took part in dealing with Cimino, which meant he was directly funded by first-time producers from completely outside the industry. As filming went along, spending more and more, the newbies stepped in and demanded to know where all the money was going. Cimino showed them a "sizzle reel" filled with beautiful shots that were put together with painstaking detail, so much detail that he described the clothing on extras being handmade and period correct for the time. This looked and sounded amazing to the producers, so they just let him go. They didn't get dailies, and they didn't ask questions after that, assuming he would blow the market away with his passion project. UA had little to do with the actual production.
    Amateurs.
    Yeah, Cimino went crazy with the money, and everyone got what was coming to them. EVERY movie needs cost controls. Dealing with them effectively is half the creativity of the profession. On that subject, RIP Roger Corman, we need him now more than ever. There's no GOOD reason we shouldn't have an army of low-budget auteurs slamming together original films for $250k all over the streaming services.

  • @Cloudstrike_
    @Cloudstrike_ หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    Chazelle is a generational talent. He’s not going away anytime soon.

    • @kwill84
      @kwill84 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He’s fine I honestly think he’s talented. I liked whiplash and la la land but neither stay with me years later. Moonlight did. Women talking does prisoners. Whiplash is well written but to me the majority of its success rest on JK Simmons. He’s gonna make anything great. Also gosling made la la land.

    • @andygotthebass6525
      @andygotthebass6525 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kwill84cap

  • @pdzombie1906
    @pdzombie1906 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    If there's a "movie jail", then there's a "Get free out of jail" card around because there's also too many writer directors making money despite making sh1t...

    • @daveclark8337
      @daveclark8337 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "Hey, I resemble that remark!"- Zack Snyder

  • @kadino9285
    @kadino9285 หลายเดือนก่อน +94

    Singer didn't direct Dark Phoenix, it was Simon Kinberg

    • @YY-mi9rf
      @YY-mi9rf หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      A major mistake that could've been easily avoided with minimum knowledge/research (i.e. google) making the entire video embarassing.

    • @tatetwar7792
      @tatetwar7792 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@YY-mi9rfthank you. ridiculous

    • @7Jstamper
      @7Jstamper หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I bailed after 30 seconds. This guy’s dictation is atrocious. I’m not surprised there’s factual errors in it. It sounds like this guy is reading about a subject he has no interest and/or knowledge in, off a teleprompter. It’s a shame because this could be an interesting topic to make a video about, preferably by someone who actually cares about the subject they’re talking about instead of some hack trying to get Ad views. There’s way too much of this shit going down on TH-cam these days and I’m pretty sick of it. Either way, I’d rather hear nails on a chalkboard as opposed to this voice for another 30 seconds. You guys are braver than me.

    • @thisismyname3928
      @thisismyname3928 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@7Jstamper 💯💤💤💤

  • @vladimirhorowitz
    @vladimirhorowitz 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    Damien Chazelle's career is not wrecked lol. He's already got another in the movie in the works and signed a deal with Paramount post-Babylon. Every great director misses once in a while.

  • @nikomiller
    @nikomiller หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Paul Schrader is a good example of a guy who's been to movie jail multiple times, but always managed to stay up directing low budget stuff and come back with a banger after a while.
    Richard Kelly is one very sad example. Southland Tales was an ahead-of-the-time masterpiece that was sadly misunderstood and messed up theatrically. I hope with the recent resurgence of Southland Tales and its growing cult status he will get another chance - he hasn't done anything since The Box.
    One person who was in movie jail for around a decade, which was absolutely criminal, was David Cronenberg - the fact that one of the greatest and most influential directors of all time couldn't manage to get a movie made for almost a decade, had multiple projects cancelled, and had to resort to writing a book and playing supporting characters in TV shows in order to get some money for Crimes of the Future...

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Paul Schrader strikes me as something of a difficult case in that I'm not sure that he's in, or ever was, in movie jail, insomuch as he just didn't want to be a big part of the system. Directors like Greta Gerwig, Damien Chazelle, and M. Night strike me as ambitious individuals that want/wanted to play with the biggest canvas available. But I never got that feeling from Schrader. He always struck me as someone who preferred to do smaller films but with creative control - and didn't want to cede any of the latter.
      As someone who enjoyed Donnie Darko, I feel the same about Richard Kelly and hope he's able to make a comeback. Unfortunately, he's been out for so long that each passing year might be a strike against him. But, then again, Hollywood loves nothing more than a prodigy making a comeback. Kelly was like 25/26 when he did Donnie Darko and it's been almost that many years since the movie came out.
      Cronenberg has always struck as one of those directors that one should be happy to fund because he creates interesting work. It's kind of like Guillermo del Toro or Paul Thomas Anderson in that regard. Will their movies make money? It'd be nice if they did. But will they craft something great that, if nothing else, will bring your studio some recognition, either awards or a cult-like following? That's a safe bet.

  • @orangewarm1
    @orangewarm1 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    directors careers dont get 'wrecked' by one movie. I've seen bad movies from Speilberg, Scorsese, Hitchcok, Coppolla, Welles, Eastwood, Allen, Polanski, Leone, Scott...

  • @keithwalker3989
    @keithwalker3989 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Robert Townsend is another great example. Hollywood shuffle was a movie made for 40 to 60K. To be more specific he maxed out his credit cards. The return on the movie was 5 million dollars… that’s insane.
    Next thing you know he’s making a big budget movie called meteor man with pretty much every black celebrity except Denzel, Washington and Wesley Snipes .
    The film cost 20 million to make and it’s returned was a poultry eight Million. He never truly had a shot to make a big budget film again.

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      That's a solid point. I know a lot of directors have described having a small budget as something of a forcing function for creativity: you lack the money, so you MUST get creative (in writing, acting, directing, or even cutting corners [safely]). Kevin Smith seemed to be the same way - Clerks was great but as his budgets got bigger, movie quality suffered.

    • @keithwalker3989
      @keithwalker3989 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You are absolutely right! Smith’s films definitely suffered after Clerks.

    • @jamespohl-md2eq
      @jamespohl-md2eq หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No it’s not. Because he didn’t go from Hollywood Shuffle to Meteor Man.
      He directed Eddie Murphy’s Raw. Then The 5 Heartbeats.
      And there was no jail for him. He was back directing by 97. 4 years after MM.
      And, Hollywood doesn’t put you in jail while allowing you to create and star in your own TV show, The Parent ‘Hood as well as Townsend TV.

    • @keithwalker3989
      @keithwalker3989 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I’m talking about big budget films… yes, I know about raw I own it. I’m not gonna count concert films as the same.
      Also, I said in my original comment “ the next thing you know” I never said he immediately moved to make a $20 million film.
      He ran out of money on the five heartbeats… and it was a struggle for him.
      We’re talking about why opportunities are taken away after let’s say a 20 million film flops and you’re not given an opportunity to create a big budget film again.
      TV before streaming was pretty much jail time for actors, writers, and directors who were cast out by holly wood Studios. Netflix changed the game .

    • @jamespohl-md2eq
      @jamespohl-md2eq หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@keithwalker3989The next thing LITERALLY means the next thing. Lol
      20 million ain’t a big budget movie. And he was given opportunities.
      Townsend was never in jail. He just isn’t a good/great director.
      Stop digging.

  • @mrchrisliddell
    @mrchrisliddell หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    JJ Abrams seems to be in movie jail as well post ROS.

    • @Juan-tm8fk
      @Juan-tm8fk หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I mean JJ is like a roach, and I love him. He finnessed WB out of millions for a project that never happened 😂

    • @glentz716
      @glentz716 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      With no possibility of parole hopefully

    • @mrchrisliddell
      @mrchrisliddell หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Juan-tm8fk yep, he got a nice little retirement package out of them 😅👏🏾

    • @-AtomsPhere-
      @-AtomsPhere- หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Good.

    • @Wfalen
      @Wfalen หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      If only the fact that the movies are bad would be a reason for movie jail, then Michael Bay and Zach Snyder wouldn't have had a career in a long time. But since RoS made a lot of money, he's more like in a personal exile than movie jail.

  • @LOBOTOMINIZER
    @LOBOTOMINIZER 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Babylon being his downfall is just so ironic and poetic lol

  • @PureNRG2
    @PureNRG2 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Thank god there’s such a thing as independent films.

  • @bradosborne1706
    @bradosborne1706 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Director Martin Brest came off the spectacular "Meet Joe Black" with "Gili." He never worked again.

  • @TestTest-hu1gj
    @TestTest-hu1gj หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    M. Night Shyamalan is an interesting one: Sitxh Sense was OUTSTANDING and he never made another movie that impacted culture and movieland like this one. He definetly disappointed every Last Airbender-Fan on the planet but he managed to make DECENT movies. Im not EXCITED about his films but im always interested. The Happening, The Visit, Split, Old and Knock at the Cabin are decent entertaining movies. I was surprised how much his last movies entertained me even though they are on some levels even "dumb". I will definetly see his upcoming movie. Not at the cinema but i will likely rent it on Amazon for 4.99$ when its available for rent. Its cheaper than the cinema but enough excitement to pay for it and not to wait for another year until its somewhere for free on any streaming service. My point, he is NOT a very great director of stardom but he is enough to consider for simple entertainment for a few hours.

  • @dmen0563
    @dmen0563 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    Chazzelle will be fine he has stuff lined up.
    Also babylon is underrated

  • @alexanderminchin6094
    @alexanderminchin6094 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    James Mangold is already on his way directing his next movie A Complete Unknown about musician and singer Bob Dylan. Despite the poor box office performance of Dial of Destiny (which I did like then most people), Mangold has proven himself on and off that he can make studio movies in various genres and budgets to both commercial and critical success. One of the reasons he managed to move from Dial of Destiny to A Complete Unknown is because he was already attached to make the latter around the same time he was asked to do Dial of Destiny. So he was always going to jump to A Complete Unknown no matter what, and he’s currently filming it right now. However, I do think it’s very obvious that budget for A Complete Unknown is not anyway near the 250 to 300 plus million dollar range 😂.

    • @ivanagustinortiz5237
      @ivanagustinortiz5237 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      He seems to be attached to Swamp Thing for DC Studios too, so he might get a comeback on the big budget stuff.

  • @BrandonOfJapan
    @BrandonOfJapan หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This is a superbly put together video, i look forward to seeing more of what you produce.

  • @GaryKetchum808
    @GaryKetchum808 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    I never knew that M. Night Shamamalan took out a loan against his house just to make The Visit and another loan to make Split. That’s some hardcore dedication that paid off. He basically flexed on everyone saying that he’s still got it. Not every film he makes will be a hit, but I’m always eager to see whatever he’s cookin. M. Night or BUST!

  • @juhanator7943
    @juhanator7943 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    I really tried to like Babylon, but it felt like overflowing visual bloat with a bunch of pretty pictures, and the story was hugely boring around the cast. I understand that the narrative style was almost like the rhythm of a musical, but despite its massive visual style, it felt really hollow. But maybe I'm alone in my opinion.

    • @quigley6643
      @quigley6643 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      You’re not alone. The Day of the Locust is way better.

    • @isaacs3822
      @isaacs3822 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Also there was nothing really new in what it was trying to say or do.
      -The transition from silent movies to talkies and the downfall of a silent era star was just covered in The Artist.
      -The over the top debauchery was seen in The Wolf of Wall Street.
      -The whole Tobey Maguire sequence was almost entirely a carbon copy of the Alfred Molina scene in Boogie Nights.
      -And then there was the “history of film” highlight reel at the end that made me more queasy than the elephant diarrhea seen at the beginning of the movie 😂 🤢
      Hopefully Chazelle can learn from this and bounce back because Whiplash, La La Land and First Man are all great and he’s got too much talent to disappear entirely

    • @peterschadenberg9045
      @peterschadenberg9045 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Here's my review of it. pschadenberg.blogspot.com/2023/01/babylon-2022.html

    • @lizziebennet2084
      @lizziebennet2084 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I agree, I thought the movie boring, over the top without substance, and the end was trying to be pretty and dramatic, but it was in fact too long and also boring. And Margot Robbie is playing Harley Queen all over again, she has this character type at least 4 times in her career, it is exhausting.

    • @theblobconsumes4859
      @theblobconsumes4859 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@isaacs3822 Carbon copy of the Alfred Molina scene in Boogie Nights? I'm sorry, but, did we see the same scene? While it is tonally very similar, the things that actually happened in the scene and how it unfolded are all completely different. It is not at all a copy of the other scene, even if it was definitely inspired by that scene.

  • @Sir_Sethly
    @Sir_Sethly หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    About as comprehensive as one could get describing the modern state of Hollywood. Great vid!

  • @gayroach2916
    @gayroach2916 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Okay if you directed whiplash I think you should get a one bad movie free pass

    • @danjonmills
      @danjonmills หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Easy to say that when it's not you losing millions of dollars.

  • @IladRodavlas
    @IladRodavlas หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'm surprised that you didn't mention David Robert Mitchell, he directed It Follows and the follow up Under The Silver Lake was basically buried by A24 until it was begrudgingly released on streaming. Such a good movie that sadly wasn't given a proper run by the distributor.

  • @newspooiechannel
    @newspooiechannel หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Bryan Singer was not involved with Dark Phoenix. He was fired from Bohemian Rhapsody with roughly 3 weeks left of production and hasn't directed a new film since. Bohemian Rhapsody, I should add, made over $900 million on a roughly $50 million budget, while also winning the Golden Globe for Best Drama and 4 of the 5 Oscars it was nominated for.
    I should also mention that Dark Phoenix was held back by BOTH Fox during and Disney after their merger and the last 40 minutes of the movie were completely scrapped, re-written and re-filmed so that elements originally intended for the film could be directed toward other MCU properties. Disney brought in a ghost crew to finish it up, as many of the people that started working on the film were let go when Disney took over. It was originally meant to be a two-part film, but Disney ultimately had it sent off to die so they could integrate the X-Men brand back into their mainstream Marvel media.

    • @ivanagustinortiz5237
      @ivanagustinortiz5237 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'd argue Simon Kinberg wasn't going to cook something good with Dark Phoenix anyways, whenever there's a Blade: Trinity scenario going on with a production you just know there's a shit show coming.

    • @chrisseay2120
      @chrisseay2120 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Brian Singer was not put in Movie Jail for making any bombs. He was put in Movie Jail because he likes to diddle kids.

    • @newspooiechannel
      @newspooiechannel หลายเดือนก่อน

      Kinberg has the ability to do good work, but it seems he needs to be steered in the right direction rather than taking the wheel himself. Regardless of the man's personal life, both Days of Future Past and (to a lesser extent) Apocalypse were far better films than The Last Stand and Dark Phoenix thanks to Bryan Singer driving his own vision. Then enter Brett Ratner, who was basically the "camera-for-hire" on the third movie, but letting Kinberg take on a $200 million production of that magnitude as his directorial debut was asking for trouble. Along with David Goyer doing double duty on Blade Trinity, Frank Miller writing and directing The Spirit is another good example of what not to do helming your first big movie.

  • @orboakin8074
    @orboakin8074 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Subbed! Great content, analysis and uour final points are so well said.

  • @DavoDirects
    @DavoDirects หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Guy Ritchie was another director that went into movie Jail and came back again

    • @gabbar51ngh
      @gabbar51ngh หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't think he ever was in movie jail.
      He was given some old IPs to revive which no one thought would be that successful to begin with. That's why no one really blamed him. Plus all of those movies were critical success which is why he made a comeback easily.

    • @DavoDirects
      @DavoDirects หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gabbar51nghAfter Snatch he made this really strange movie with Madonna, that flopped. He got one more chance after that, which then flopped too. He slowly had to climb his way back until he got to Rock’n’Rolla and now he’s up-and-going again

  • @RestrainingHollywood
    @RestrainingHollywood 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Babylon is a Masterpiece..🔥

  • @moviefeeder6811
    @moviefeeder6811 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The saddest part of this is that Damien Chazelle's Babylon is one of the best films I've ever seen in this century. I still believe that he will survive through movie jail fairly easily.

  • @JC2023HD
    @JC2023HD หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Great video. Just a little advice: consider improving the audio, cause I could barely make out what you said sometimes.

  • @kdkseven
    @kdkseven 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    You need a better mic. It's too boomy. It's hard to understand you.

  • @alzoraig
    @alzoraig 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Correction: Dark Phoenix was directed by Simon Kinberg, not Bryan Singer.

  • @whysoblutube
    @whysoblutube หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Carl Rinsch, director of 47 Ronin has also been in film jail since. The film cost 175 million and bombed at the box office.

    • @MrEdWeirdoShow
      @MrEdWeirdoShow 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I recall everyone thinking 47 Ronin was another Dinero film, and avoiding it.
      It should be illegal to make films stealing any same or similar title.

  • @tillkrieger1048
    @tillkrieger1048 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Really interesting, I had never before heard of "Movie Jail" though it makes sense and could explain why some new directors I enjoy (that don't make blockbusters though) tend to disappear really quickly or enter the indie scene. If I can give some constructive criticism may I recommend trying to have some more fluctuation in your voice? It's soft and nice to hear but tends to be a bit monotone. Fantastic video nonetheless, loved it :) super informative and gave a lot of info but made it super easy to consume.

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the constructive criticism! Yeah, I'm trying to change the voice and I think I've improved over older videos, but still got a long way to go. I speak in the videos as I do normally, so on one hand, it's unvarnished. But will try to inflect a lot more going forward (though it'll probably take several videos to get into the swing of things).

  • @91MoonKnight
    @91MoonKnight หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I love Babylon than most of the director's movies so no idea why it's so hated.

  • @eb9450
    @eb9450 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This was well explained. You had my distracted mind unusually focused lol thanks

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      As someone who's mind is also distracted far too often, I'm happy to help.

  • @zakuraiyadesu
    @zakuraiyadesu หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love the videos, man. Keep it up!!!

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! And will do!

  • @globetrekker86
    @globetrekker86 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Shyamalan couldn’t have gotten “back on top with *The Happening*.” That 90-minute environmental PSA was a trainwreck

  • @Not_Always
    @Not_Always หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Oscars ruin careers. It is indeed a curse. Lets also not pretend that Barbie was successful because Margot Robbie was in it. Most of her movies flop

    • @danjonmills
      @danjonmills หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Yep. The IP was the star of that movie: could have been any slim blonde in the Barbie role, it would have crushed at the BO.

    • @janehollander3843
      @janehollander3843 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ryan Gosling carried that film.

  • @bundoran8561
    @bundoran8561 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Gore Verbisnki did 3 masterpieces ( Pirates of Caribbean) then just....well.
    Hope he gets out of Jail 😂

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Likewise. POTC is one of my favorite trilogies and, I would argue, some of the funnest movies ever made.

  • @plipogamez3173
    @plipogamez3173 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I am anticipating the first A.i. directed film. Most of the audience do not appreciate good cinema, they just want something which is mildly entertaining.

  • @captainhaire
    @captainhaire หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Reminds me of Ryan O’Neal character in Irreconcilable Differences. Makes one hit, then his Gone With the Wind musical goes kaput.

  • @FMP-ze6rm
    @FMP-ze6rm 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Movies should be released world wide at the same time. It would create more buzz by allowing more people to speak about it online while it's current everywhere.

  • @24thisismyusername
    @24thisismyusername หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fantastic video man! 🙌

  • @klaus472
    @klaus472 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The thing that's lowkey upsetting is Babylon was a really good movie and maybe if the marketing wasn't so bad and it was released earlier in the year (or even the next year) it could've been a humongous box office success and another Oscar success but I think the main thing that brought Babylon down was the god awful marketing. Babylon deserved better!

  • @Leangareh
    @Leangareh หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video! Thanks!

  • @Lemorande
    @Lemorande หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is a very intelligent and well produced video. I would suggest that more than a director’s hits in defining their ability is their failures. Hits are usually the result of many contributions, not just the directors’s. Failures usually reveal the director’s inabilities. Babylon was so horrifically bad that I think it indicates Chazelle’s serious limitations. AI imagery will end the myth of the auteur theory. It will prove that the most important element of any film is the screenplay. However, most successful films today are adaptations of novels, comic books, video games, or plays, so even the Hollywood screenwriter will be debunked as AI requires original stories which only a handful of writers can create.

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you enjoyed it! I think your point on writing is spot on, and I think that's why it's particularly important for directors to ALSO be their own writers. Akira Kurosawa said “But if you genuinely want to make films, then write screenplays. All you need to write a script is paper and pencil. It’s only through writing scripts that you learn specifics about the structure of film and what cinema is.” Kurosawa also edited his own films, so he really controlled the process from idea to screen, to great effect. More directors would benefit from his example.

    • @Lemorande
      @Lemorande หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Syntopikon Yes. However most directors can’t write. A director is like the conductor of a symphony. They don’t play instruments nor write the scores. They are the one set of ears to balance the artistic work of others. That is why the auteur theory-unless a director is also the writer of an original screenplay and also the production designer or editor- is bunk and has harmed the quality of films.

  • @kxngmuzikig2417
    @kxngmuzikig2417 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    i feel like Damien accelerated too fast and studios gave him giant budgets. i feel like he has another great movie with A24 or a simpler low budget musical

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think part of it is also, to a certain extent, ego. Chad Stahelski, who directed each John Wick movie, got roughly the same increases as Chazelle over the same period - $20M to $40M to $75M to $80M for each of the John Wick movies respectively. But Stahelski kept them very tight. He indulged himself with the fights - where it mattered - but kept things going along.

  • @matiasdevaglia4541
    @matiasdevaglia4541 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Simon Kinberg directed "Dark Phoenix", not Bryan Singer.

  • @darj617
    @darj617 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think with musicals there is a fine line between how much singing is just right and too much. Wonka got it just right, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

  • @johnrosstaylor4977
    @johnrosstaylor4977 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    So what gathered is that the internet ruined the director ran Hollywood in the 90s

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That's actually pretty succinct and there's a strong argument to be made in favor of it.

  • @uqbar42
    @uqbar42 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great essay! As a matter of fact, all these directors have great potential but studios irrationally want them to perform in a perfect ratio. That model is unsustainable and that's the main risk companies like Warner cannot survive much longer. They tend to expect bigger and bigger box office success but they do not trust their directors. The leash is so short producers end up sabotaging their own future movies due fear.
    Art cannot survive like that.

  • @lewsmith9708
    @lewsmith9708 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    No mention of Tom Hopper and his disastrous _Cats_ movie?

  • @hessu275
    @hessu275 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The advertising for Babylon was misleading. It's a good movie, but it's not for everybody. Whiplash and La La Land set the bar too high

  • @tomboyjessie1352
    @tomboyjessie1352 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    So basically it's a Hollywood version of getting suspended or expelled from school?

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Pretty much. Usually suspended as many directors do end up making a return, though it takes them several features to get back on top. Even guys like Cimino directed movies after Heavens Gate, but fewer and fewer people saw them until, at least, he stopped.

  • @nikokaapa
    @nikokaapa หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Your narration-style is an interesting choice.

    • @C0LPAN1C
      @C0LPAN1C หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tiger Woods, right?

  • @jproductions5977
    @jproductions5977 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great vid!

  • @user-ve1lz9dm6j
    @user-ve1lz9dm6j หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Tom Hooper should have been mentioned, he is also in movie jail after the Cats disaster. I loved this video, thank you for it.

    • @TC-lk2ev
      @TC-lk2ev หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I used to work with the guy that did the technical execution (I'm not sure of the exact title, but he was in charge of stuff like the CG rendering pipeline) for cats. That film took down a 700 person company, among other things. The stories are pretty wild. Apparently one of the reasons they were sending out edited versions to the cinemas after it had been released was that the director thought it would be so good that it would get nominated for an oscar.

    • @user-ve1lz9dm6j
      @user-ve1lz9dm6j หลายเดือนก่อน

      .A video about it would be great. Thank you again

  • @leonardowada4240
    @leonardowada4240 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow interesting topic and great video

  • @noneofyourbusiness1114
    @noneofyourbusiness1114 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Andrew Dominik deserves a comeback

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's wild there was a 10 gap between Killing Them Softly and Blonde, especially considering how KTS is so good.

  • @SugarRushTimes2030-gs3qp
    @SugarRushTimes2030-gs3qp หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Great directors bombs are akin to a great singer making a bad song choice on a competition show. Still talented but stick to what fits if you want to win.

  • @kjetiljansen355
    @kjetiljansen355 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would love a good comeback story for David Robert Mitchell and Richard Kelly. Their get out of jail card after misfires is going back to the movie that made them successful. Mitchell with a sequel to It Follows set to go and Kelly suggesting going back to Donnie Darko for more. Fingers crossed.

  • @juanignaciomontoya8408
    @juanignaciomontoya8408 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Heavens gate is underrated, it's long and inconsistent, but has moments of absolute beauty

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It's one of those movies that's been better reviewed in the time since its release (after restoring Cimino's original cut, I believe).

    • @chrisseay2120
      @chrisseay2120 หลายเดือนก่อน

      there is a good movie somewhere inside *Heaven's Gate.* If you have ever heard of David Soderberg's *Heaven's Gate: the Butcher's Cut,* you should look that up and check it out.

  • @Jonathanest90s
    @Jonathanest90s 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’m really surprised that Damien Chazelle is still doing another film for Paramount despite Babylon bombing in theaters. I guess either the movie did well on Paramount+ or they really love working with Chazelle. My guess is good as mine. But I was really lucky enough to meet the guy when the film was released and he was pretty chill.

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I think it's probably something contractual. It was a first look deal, so I think Chazelle has to take it to Paramount before he can take it elsewhere. Then, they can decide whether they want to produce it outright or maybe find a partner to produce it with. They can also probably set the budget, based on past performance. I think Chazelle would've had a harder time elsewhere than with Paramount. Hopefully it works out for him. I like Chazelle, and I think he's a solid filmmaker. Plus, if he's easy to work with or get along with, that'll probably go a long way as well.

    • @Jonathanest90s
      @Jonathanest90s 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Syntopikoncould be. Hopefully his next film will be good? We’ll have to wait and see.

  • @lback1505
    @lback1505 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You are totally right that studios need to nurture the indie-to-big-budget pipeline by making it more progressive. I think Christopher Nolan's ability to marry art and commerce in a non-gimmicky way (as in he's not selling kids toys based on the movie like James Cameron is having to do for Avatar) is very instructive in this regard.

  • @jjamiejackson
    @jjamiejackson หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Babylon was a MASTERPIECE. it's so sad more people didn't get it.

    • @alexbaisch7618
      @alexbaisch7618 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Masterpiece .. i will die on this hill

    • @chrisb4944
      @chrisb4944 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Babylon is a PRIME example of why so many people despise and hate Hollywood now and for the past 15 years. So you think they want to see that kind of movie. Left or Right / Middle America. Hollywood is so out of touch, in their own bubble and these directors never learn from the mistakes of the ones that came before . How could he not see this was HIS "Heavens Gate" No self aware. Big ego from previous success and they think they can do no wrong. THEY NEVER LEARN

    • @jjamiejackson
      @jjamiejackson หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@alexbaisch7618 There's a very small group of us who adore this movie. Maybe the best movie I've seen in the last 10 years. Can't believe it was ignored.

    • @CATDHD
      @CATDHD หลายเดือนก่อน

      I dont suppose you guys have seen Boogie nights or Singing in the rain or Goodfellas. Babylon is a great movie, but at times derivative as hell to the point it is a plagiarism. Had it been 40 minutes shorter, i think it would have done really well at the box office even though marketing was horrendous and was the main culprit it bombed

  • @polyestermammoth740
    @polyestermammoth740 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video. Subscribed.

  • @tinfoil1225
    @tinfoil1225 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "But he was back on top with The Happening" made me chuckle

  • @alejandrorojasyanez3901
    @alejandrorojasyanez3901 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What movie is the animated hand pulling a trigger at 6:05 from?

    • @TheVassal
      @TheVassal หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Kill bill vol 1

  • @barefootandindependent
    @barefootandindependent 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    everything I direct I'm hoping to go into movie jail. 3 features... I want locked up. a bunch of shorts, commercials and music videos.... I want to be LOCKED UP!!! hundreds of TH-cam videos.... I'm aiming to get locked up. I know a bunch of artists. a bunch of artists that absolutely want to alienate a large portion of the audience. people deserve nothing. I know your video is aimed at regular people.... but don't forget outsider cinema. outsider art. we want to be sedated! I mean, locked up. we want to be in movie jail!!!

  • @user-bk4pm6me8i
    @user-bk4pm6me8i หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    18:42 To my knowledge, Bryan Singer wasn't part of Deadpool 2 and Dark Phoenix.

  • @Collateral0
    @Collateral0 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The thing you can’t take away from Damien Chazelle is he hasn’t made an actually bad film and despite his setbacks he will recover.

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yup. I'm hoping the next movie turns it around well for him. I think he'll probably be a bit more careful with it.

  • @tristanfranklin1094
    @tristanfranklin1094 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Is it really the directors fault when a film under preforms? I thought the studio was in charge of promoting it for the most part.

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That's a fair point, but word of mouth is pretty important as well and I think a director is fully responsible for that part.

  • @Spiyder11
    @Spiyder11 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Babylon made my head hurt, but I loved the scene where the movie studio was recording with sound for the first time. It was so intense

  • @AjeethRajesh
    @AjeethRajesh หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Loved this video, and your suggestion to creatives. They do need to realise movies are simultaneously art and business.
    I just have one suggestion. Please be louder and clearer. The sound quality isn’t up to par

  • @sulate1
    @sulate1 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fingers crossed for Rogue Moon 2 being added to the list in the future

  • @Mario_Angel_Medina
    @Mario_Angel_Medina หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Movie budgets need to decrease. I know the arguments about why blockbusters are kind of the only think that works in modern cinema, I know that streaming killed the DVD/Blu-Ray market so nowadays if a movie doesn't earn money in the first two weeks it will never earn anything, I know that FOMO has become the only way to put people into theaters against the "I'll check it out when it comes to Netflix" attitude and a good way to create FOMO is to say "you will not enjoy this movie at its fullest unless you watch it in a screen bigger than your house", but still, filmmakers can archieve all that without spending 100 million dollars on a movie. Also, there's no reason why an installement in an stablished franchise can't be made in a low-mid budget, not everything has to be Avengers Endgame or Godzilla vs Kong, give me a Captain America movie that its just him in an island trying to deactivate a bomb, with no robots or aliens, just a dude throwing his shield to other dudes untill he reach the Important Dude, the one that you know is important becase he sits in front of a giant computer monitor, simple, engaging, and a competent director can make it with 50 millions or less. Gime an Star Wars film that happens mostly inside one spaceship and the greater universe is mostly implied instead of sending the second-unit director and his crew in a globetrotting adventure because the cities on the planet Naboo look like Istambul but the ones on Yavin VI look like Palenque or something.

  • @toasten9000
    @toasten9000 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video

  • @divyadarshansingh4488
    @divyadarshansingh4488 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I feel bad for Damien Chazelle he is one the best director working in the industry right now who focuses more on art than the Commercial Viability it was not good that Babylon Flopped but i mean he has given greatest movies of the generation and also tried something different with First Man i hope he makes a comeback

    • @Syntopikon
      @Syntopikon  11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think he'll be able to show what he's really capable of on his next movie. More recently, I've been of the mind that Babylon's failure might even be good for him overall. It'll make him more careful, more thoughtful, and considered abut how he wants his next movie to be.

  • @seanian8986
    @seanian8986 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    WW84 absolutely deserved movie jail. She completely ruined all the potential it had