This was real. I know my experience doesn't reflect alot of people, but I wouldn't be here today without it. This is my story. It's not everyone's. But you can understand why I'm cynical. Why I am pro entrepreneurship. Maybe I'd be making code tutorials if it worked out. Maybe I wouldn't have this channel. Who knows. But either way, I appreciate all of you. Thanks for watching.
@@3IMAD69 it means growing up getting married with kids and working a corporate job regardless of pay until your 65 when all your body's youth is gone is not the move. Find a way to Work for yourself try as hard as u can to retire when you still can move freely. Experiencing the world young vs old in terms of travel and adventure are vastly different. and I want to see it from both perspectives. Or you can let someone else profit 10x the pay u get for YOUR work.
You're not. The gov't puts up all these obstacles and rules and make you run the rat race because they can and you have to drink water, have heat in the winter, food on the table, clothes on your back & a roof over your head.
At my first job I asked for a raise after 9 months of working at a much higher level than I was hired for. My boss told me "you don't even bring in customers, all you do is code". I left that job a month later for more than double the pay and benefits. When I put in my notice he was mad and made a comment about using his business as a stepping stone and how it's not professional to leave unfinished work. I still think about what he said and it just makes me laugh.
Have a lot of respect for you Joshua. Im a 54 yr old and couldnt figure out the corporate pyche game until my 40s. Was always blaming myself. You saw through it in your 20s. You're a good man. Your parents should be proud.
@@fenrirswolh3 I am actually intrigued, how and where will Joshua move on. If the rock bottom ubringing and rough work experience retards him as cynic without purpose in life or he will grow wings. So far I am betting on the latter and its great to witness it.
@@OkurkaBinLadin will he's already making lots of money with his TH-cam career so he's winning... To the original commentor, so what is the corporate scheme??... my cynical mind tells me that everyone who makes it has some form of "fake" or "kiss-ass" in them. Is this what you figured out too? Haha
Kid, that's an epic rant. I'm 51 and it took me about 20 years to wise up. When people criticize your attitude toward working for the man, just tell them "I'm just ahead of the curve."
@@joeyvandervelden3047 First of all, OP didn't mean he's "ahead of the curve" as in getting paid more, but more because of his mindset. He isn't pissing on anyone, he's just stating facts about his life and how his mindset has changed from his experiences. You're the only one pissing on him. You have to realize no matter how hard some people try, they won't get promoted because the managers don't want their position taken and the higher ups will just higher another person as manager instead of promoting the workers at the bottom. Don't antagonize his dad just because he made a huge mistake. You don't have the right to speak on their situation or talk down on anyone unless you've lived how they've lived.
My first 3 jobs I was a corporate simp, I’m much more aware of how companies are not loyal to there workers now, your not alone and it’s evident your videos are helping a lot of people, keep up the great work 👍
Huge respect for paying your parents rent. You're a true inspiration. Post edit: I haven't caught up on the drama but I hope the best for you and your family Josh.
@@sookiezboly4502 I think the point being made was, he had the disposal cash to help his family out, apposed to keeping disposal to himself to live more luxurious.
@@peggyclinton8343 it's a dream of most, but I always think that you shouldn't hinder yourself for others, rather, make possible adjustments when can do.
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I will just say that if you’re in a position to help and your parents have been good to you I can not imagine not helping. What, you’re gonna let them get evicted just so you can save a few more bucks a month? I do know some people have parents that don’t deserve shit, but again, if they’ve always been good to you not helping them when you can is just monstrous.
this one hit home for me to a pretty painful level. I was at a company as a glazier for a few years and I was super nervous to lose my job and was super gung ho to learn absolutely every single little thing and work 12 hour days with shit pay because I was "so grateful for the opportunity". I am being 100% honest when I say this! as my mother was passing away from cancer during the start of the pandemic which was impossible to judge weather I would lose my job due to the company shutting down (as mass layoffs were happening) and the country was shutting down, i knew I needed to be with my family. So I packed my bags flew back home to spend time with family. I shit you not, my boss called me back repeatedly asking me to come back to work because "we're really busy and we need you to come back" they couldnt even wait for my mother to pass. companies could give a flying fuck about your well being.
I'm sorry to hear this. This is what happens when you work for a soulless place that forgets humanity which is so unnecessary. I hope things are on the mend.
Sitting here alone in my parents spare room, aged 40...... looking back at 14 months of redundancy from my last dev position...... skills becoming less and less like skills and more like what I used to know........ wondering where did it all go so wrong. I look in the mirror and see that youthful 25 year old full of hope, just with 15 fewer years to do anything about it. Thank you for this video and this honesty......... I think it's time to start working hard for myself and not for someone else.
Justin gave you good advise. Glad you remember it. I think that the higher the IQ of people... The worse they treat people. They almost lose their humanity in these jobs and in these corporations. They are those robotic guys you remember at school and yet somehow in the modern world they are cherished as champions of society. Strange if you ask me.
I HIGHLY recommend that...I wrote software for genetic study and cancer research which sold for $6k a pop, and used by ivy league colleges across the US and labs across the EU...yet here I sit broke as hell while my old boss's live very well.
Hey dude, I feel your pain. Best thing I can recommend for a guy in your position.. If you can't work - train. Train for your next job. Get involved in open source projects.. Put together a blog in your technical area.. Use all the resources you can to hustle. Make sure your LinkedIn is up to date when I looked it doesn't look like you've done anything for a while - get those training courses and certifications on there.. Register a website and blog on it. Good luck.
As a developer I am seeing this happen right now to my teammates. Great hardworking devs with a ton of internal specific and external knowledge. I am really beginning to think that I didn't get selected for a layoff because I do senior level work at a mid level salary. During all of this turmoil in the last year I applied for other jobs for a backup plan or a possible promotion. After interviewing with about 10 different companies I see three patterns: - They are looking for a chump to do a lot more work for less (40+ hours/week expected, clean up their bad practices without changing their bad practices) - The interviewer is also a developer with an issue that they want you to solve in the interview or have solved in the past (advertised for a back end dev, but really needed an experienced DBA to solve a big data problem) - They don't really know what they want but advertise for a jack of all trades, interview you ten times and then ghost you This video earned my sub!
Maybe there is no position. The person interviewing you just needs help with his task and pretends it is an interview rather than free labor. Hence 10 interviews.
I re-watched this 2 years afterwards and this is absolute gold! I worked at a few high profile hedge funds, investment firms and so on and all of them are exactly as u describe. No matter if u make 50k or 300k, you are just an expense and u are there as long as they can extract more money than u cost, that is it.
You may be salty and cynic with companies, but you are one of the most honest and caring people I've ever seen, judging by your videos. I am merely an internet stranger to claim this, but without that, your videos would be just some bullshit like "How cool I am". Instead, I see a living person talking about his experience in the most straightforward way I can imagine. Thank you for what you do!
The same thing happened to me Josh. My boss fired me and replaced me with "a better deal". She didn´t even let me say goodbye to my colleagues. I was thrown out as a criminal Never felt more humiliated in my whole life :(
@@juljanplaku8514you can be removed forcefully bc you are technically tresspassing as soon as they terminate you. If you're lucky, they watch you empty your desk, so you have a chance to exchange numbers/emails.
"You are expendable, you are a profit margin decrease, there is no job security, there is no company loyalty, there is only job skill security and your ability to sell yourself in the interview." - Joshua Fluke
Yes, this is called real fucking life. It's so annoying listening to you people crying about how you're an "expendable, profit margin blah blah". Of course you are. The whole point of my business is to make fucking profit. Would you start a business with a different goal in mind? Good luck with that. It's not the business owners job to change your diaper. He pays you for your labor, period. If you're not making the business more profitable or efficient, your ass has to go
@@RDA8191 People get replaced just because someone else is better or automation, not just because they aren’t doing their job. Without your employees you wouldn’t be making shit in the first place. 🤣 I guess you forgot that part.
I am 71. I have been in the computer industry for over 35 years. At my last job at a major university on the east coast, I was given the option of retiring early, or face termination. Age discrimination is rampant in this country. Nobody wants to hire someone with a lot of experience in tech, in both hardware and software that is 71 years old.
Same thing with my dad, over 35 years experience as chemical engineer at only one company. He plans retiring early because company know how to dodge paying retire money. That dodge called make a chaos situation and then "face termination".
@@anilerkol I agree with you. After working for someone for over 35 years, I would not want to do that again, especially at the age that I have reached. I would like to earn some money on the side since I do not have a lot to fall back on due to past medical issues that pretty much cleaned me out.
@@anilerkol Dude, I am 21 and I am already tired of this work bullshit, I feel you 100%. I am so fucking tired I invest more money every month than I pay for rent, food, clothes, going outs, etc combined. Happy to see I am not the only one seeing this torture.
@@mickcv4554 I have had to work all my life, including 6 years in the military during the Vietnam war. When you were not able to put money away as you were younger, when you get to be my age, you have nothing to spend except on bills such as mortgage payment and medical expenses. I do hope you do have some golden years to look forward to. Save as much as you can now.
the problem starts in school making employees, thats what I regret the most of my life , studying to become an employee and to depend on a corporate job.
Kevin Schart Not necessarily. From what I’ve seen on other videos, Josh started out genuinely trying to help. However, the circumstances broke down their parents ability to take care of themselves and it wore out their relationship.
@@gerardosaldana9207 I get it, I've gone through similar situations with my father. But I didn't publicly trash the guy. I don't want to go back and forth about it, but the way he handled that didn't sit well with me.
Kevin Schart Alright, you make a good point. You made me re-read this brief “conversation” and reconsider some things. I now agree with your original comment about how watching Fluke’s other videos may make OP reconsider his statement and I agree that it is not good to “air out one’s own dirty laundry”. Thank you Kevin, hope you have a good rest of your day.
Yeah and then youll be worrying about the business 24/7, image and advertising (or spending money on ad firms), when things go wrong you will always take blame I worked cst service and i sometimes just had to take crap from other peoples screw ups or genuine mishaps, but CEO has to take crap too
This happened to me recently. The company I worked with quite literally forced us to resign. They unassigned all of our projects with one e-mail stating that we did an excellent job but we were basically no longer needed. And just like a Thanos finger snap, 500 of us were out of a job. The job I worked for before (retail 10 years) was very similar. Stop giving these companies your loyalty. They do not deserve it. Stand up for yourselves.
Sounds like Raymond James, who had 2-3 rounds of layoffs with each round like 500-800 engineers were laid off. Only to be replaced with maybe 1000 contractors. They saved tons in benefits.
I believe that is how real unregulated capitalistic rules work. I'm no way socialist, but here where the social rules and job regulations should come in, like in Sweden, Germany or Central/Eastern Europe (if it is big enough company to be interesting for law prosecution) where it is pretty hard to fire anyone with a finger snap without serious reason. Even if this is a company shrinking - in this case they have to come with real compensations or even providing trainings and re-trainings. In my experience, when similar situation happen - people were not just fired, they were actually recieved package + most of them were introduced to business partners (and they are working there now) or to even the competitor companies... maybe it is just our high management that is really taking care of the companies image as it is pretty small country where every big company is on a spot light and mangement as well.
I agree, my brother is a 37 year old selfish asshole who refuse to work any job and choose to stay all day watching minecraft gameplays and anime while my mother is enabling him and paying his cell phone bill and giving him free food.
Man this is what I’ve been feeling for years. I’m sick of jumping through hoops for these companies, I’m sick of sacrificing my time away from my family. I’m sick of my life being in other peoples hands. Everything you said was 100% true and I’m glad I decided to watch this video. Hell yeah man keep it up.
I remember negotiating a two week vacation before I took a poition. I got it in writing. 8 months later my vacation came up and the company was trying to fire me for taking it. That is the reason won't work another corporate job.They think they own you
I want to say I was just recently awaken to not trusting companies. My dad died on April 22. In the middle of that, my manager called and I could hear him being sad, telling me that corporate came back and shorten the bereavement time from 5 days to 3. I told him 3 days isn't even to grieve for my dad. He agreed but only thing we could do was use my vacation time. Shortly after when I went back to work I found out the department is being sold off to another company. So in about a years time I probably won't have a job anyway. After watching this, I get it and I agree with you Josh.
You remind me of Louis Rossmann. Similar experience, philosophy and work ethics except he is in hardware repairs instead of software dev. Good video, wish you the best.
@@curiousgeorge6921 Even trusting in farming might be giving a false sense of hope, as you'd likely depend on the will of your large business partners to pay off your loans as everyone else.
Hey man, thanks for these great videos I'm not a Coding-guy, but an Electrician. Your vids helped me get into a better job and earning what I'm damn well- worth. 10/10
Yea im not a developer either but his videos helped me a lot as a financial analyst i dont have any loyalty to any company my loyalty is bought not earned if i had not found this channel i would not be where i am now
@@darkside4566 Very hard to tell you without knowing you. Heh I even have trouble advising people I know... as a general rule of thumb I would say it's important to do something you are good at but it's better if it's something you like. If you want to do something you like doing, you should be ready to work really hard to be better than anyone else at that. If you can be the best at something, apart from the narcissic boost it procures it can really boost your confidence and give you more choices. More freedom. It also helps to master a skill that is rare or in high demand. Sometimes doing something that no-one else wanna do can improve your career. At some point there were little people who dreamed of becoming a database administrator and it was better paid because not so many people looking at this career but I don't know if it's still true nowadays. Sometimes a company chooses a shitty and outdated technology and find very little candidate to take up the development. After offering basic income they up their ante and end up offering better salaries. But to be honest accepting a shitty job to have a better pay is not for everyone. And I am not sure that is helping up much in finding out what you should do with your life.
@@aika7974 Well, used to be a safe job for life. At least that's what my parents always told me. I was a soldier though, so there were always people shooting at me and trying to kill me. Didn't seem very safe to me. Then there were other things like forcing dozens of vaccinations on you, dictating what you could and could not say, owning you 24 hours a day and 7 days a week, living outdoors in harsh conditions for long periods of time. Even so, I did try to stay and make it a career. However my commander accidentally killed another American soldier in a battle. He was the son of a powerful family, so he set me up to take the blame. I fought it, avoided prison, and got him thrown out of the military, but it ended my career as well. That's it in a nutshell. I'm glad I'm out and would never work for the gov't again, even with the perks. It is corrupt, inefficient, joy-stealing, nepotistic, unethical and mundane.
This is literally me, except i was a chemical engineer. No matter how hard you work it's never enough. Fuck corporations. I'm alot happier just doing odd jobs and pursuing my own business, i will never work for anyone again.
This is horrible. I never understood this "you have 5 minutes to leave" thing in the US. In Europe, you have 1-2 months notification period. I had to change my job a few times but it was never like this nasty.
No not always. In certain situations they will just do the same thing, the only diffrence is that they have to pay you the next 1-2 months salary. Especially in IT they dont want you there anymore because they are afraid that you will do something in the System. The same thing happened to me, there was even someone always next to me who was watching me when I was packing my things, ss if they expected me to go nuts or something. Europe has the same "Job" culture, USA is just a bit more worse whit the laws.
If you give them a month or two they will spread rumors and dish out all the gossip and dirt. Also can destroy files and sabotage the company to get even. May even stell a few fellow co-workers to leave with you. Employers don't want to take that chance so they take your ass out without even giving you and indication. This can backfire however as the person isn't allowed time to cope and is hit with such as shock that they snap turning them into a disgruntled employee.
@@youaregoingtolovethis They can spread gossips outside of the company too, and they do it all the time independently of layoffs. Causing harm is a real risk. But... Recently, I told one of my friends: "You cannot be a jerk because you suppose that everybody is a jerk, and you want to prevent that they harm you. You must wait until they act like a jerk then you can be a jerk in response."
Dude is spitting the truth ♥️ and unlike other youtubers who try to show their life as perfect, you're being real, and honest! Unfortunately employers don't respect honesty anymore
True. I always intended to be a programmer. My dad was one and I earn my masters in CS. Even my dad comments on how the corporate attitude towards programmers has changed. The best thing I did was become a freelancer, I can now choose what I want to do.
"In the corporate world, you're just working towards someone else's dream." *The best companies encourage 20% "follow your dream" rule where developers can use 20% of their work time exploring anything they're interested in hopes of winning company stock from the yearly entrepreneurial research pool.*
@@1guy2shells5 Corporate changed because sales man are higher in latter than programmers, engineers. In early programming days programmers sold themselves, when company needed solution, programmers calculated their skill, salary, potential end of project...and owners choose ''best'' solution. Salesman without knowledge of profession are above real professionals, that is main problem. th-cam.com/video/ecIWPzGEbFc/w-d-xo.html
people who tried that at my company to leave on good terms were immediately let go, not always a good idea. you basically have to be laid off or have medical reason aka something that would get them sued
my previous job had 4 months notice period. When I quit they acted like I was taking advantage of them because they had to keep paying me for 4 months.
@LMNOP if you signed a contract stating that you would give 2 weeks notice then you have to agree to that contract or forfeit whatever the underlying issues in that contract are. As far as anything other than a binding contract oh, you are at will to fire your employer, meaning quit without notice. I'm not saying you shouldn't do that, but if you got a crappy boss and a crappy job give them crappy notice.
Agreed. Someone else commented on how this is shared with someone like Louis Rossman and I totally see the similarities. It's just simple authenticity. Straightforward.
Hey bro, I just wanna say as a 23 year old trying to survive in this economy, you have been a rock for me with your insight and advice. I watch you constantly and try to apply your teachings to my life, and it has worked wonders for me already. I'm still trying to climb up to get myself in a position like you've gotten yourself in, but I'm not giving up and you've given me a road to follow so now it's not as confusing as it once was. Thank you for all you do, ignore the haters and people mocking you. Their idiots and don't realize how much you help the young generation.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: This, right here, is why I've always loathed the modern job market. It's borderline dystopian in nature. -You need the job experience to get the job that requires the job experience. Don't have the experience? Why not try """volunteering""", as if you have a choice? -You have companies trying to undersell your job position in an attempt to make you believe your career of choice is not worth as much, so that they can pay you less. -Your skills aren't important; what's important is whether the interviewer finds your personality good enough to be _considered_ for hire. -As mentioned in the video, if they can find someone better than you who is willing to work for the same salary or less, then say goodbye; you've become a liability. -Oh what's that? You were let go from your previous job? Well then we can't hire you with a record like that. Bye. -Oh what's that? You haven't been working a job for an extended period of time? Well then we can't hire you with a record like that. Bye. -Oh what's that? You're desperately in need of a job because you've become homeless? Well then we can't hire you with a record like that. Bye. And people wonder why everyone is so depressed nowadays? When this is how we're all being treated? And we just brush it off by saying "life isn't fair; get over it"? To hell with that; this isn't "life"'s fault. We did this. Society. We're the ones making life unfair. All so that a select few people can load their pockets, only to end up dead like the rest of us. Josh, I hope you inspire more people to stop taking this crap. No one should get to decide which life is worth more.
Yeah we did this because it works, if people/companies dont abuse then they wont grow up, if they dont grow up then our society doesnt grow up, it's capitalism and it works because humans are the worst thing, communism will never work cause we will never be good persons, not even "god" is. We have not choice but abuse or be abused.
To the government your just your SSN, to your company your just your number. I will say some companies are working on dealing with people as people, but I will say that others don't give a shit and never will.
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Oh boy, I thought my experiences were bad. I'm completely put off working in tech, so tired of managers talking down to me when they make more than me and couldn't do my job. Thanks for being upfront about your experiences, it made a difference to me.
@UCZhLCZ3spc7AErUWa1gBHSg I'm new to programing can I ask what country you were in when you had these experiences. You're name sounds European and I'm moving there for school. I just want to know if its just as bad in Europe as America.
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@@soundtraveler9555 Haha, not European, Tolkien ;) I was working in London also known as screw-over central. I'm a "unicorn" designer/developer, AMA.
@Tony Elistratov I've had a situation where a contract that I negotiated for that was initially a live project became a demo that went nowhere and the guy in charge screwed it up before the demo was even presented at an arranged meeting. On reflection I think his anger issues stemmed from cocaine use and he yapped his trap at the wrong exec. Of course he tried to pin his own failure on my work (that the clients hadn't even seen). There's so much more to this story, it was a real circus. My favorite moment was when on the way to the bathroom I saw an exec (probably making millions a year) in the corridor crawling on his hands and knees in black satin ladies panties. Yes, this actually happened, no, I can't believe it either.
Josh. You probably just saved a life by sharing yours. I have never in my life heard a more heartfelt, honest, and humbling moment then the few moments I just spent listening to you. I realize this video is an older one and I pray you are still in the same mind set. I honestly believe you gave hope to someone who felt that there was no hope. Directions to a directionless person. It does not take much to change a persons life and you never know when and how it happens but you made it happen by just speaking from your heart and being you. THANK YOU.
Correction: you don't owe anything to ANY company regardless of size. Job is a contract and should always be treated as such. You do something for them, they pay you as agreed. People should never think of their jobs as anything more than that. I know it's easy to start feeling comfortable and as if you were part of some one big happy family when you work for somebody else. But you're not. They are just your client and as a client they can kick you out and go find someone else. Be aware of that and you can can work as a regular employee. But lose sight of this reality and you're bound to be disappointed at some point in your life. Having your own business/being a freelancer is the same but with more flexibility and power over your own life.
@@szumeczek I like to remember that whatever you're being paid, the client must feel that they're getting more value than they're giving otherwise you wouldn't be employed. Why not find a way to direct all/more-of the value you're capable of generating, back at yourself and your family?
How do you "work for yourself?" That phrase is phony and fake. Employees have one boss. Entrepreneurs have multiple bosses. As long as someone else writes the check, you work for them. The only people who "work for themselves" are the independently wealthy.
So my father was a coal miner. He had a rock fall on him in 1999, and it broke his back--not a break that paralyzed him, but one that required a 16 hour surgery where they took hunks of his hip bone and grafted them to his vertebrae with titanium straps and screws fusing the 4 on top of his hip bones together. The company, of course, fought his disability. This happens automatically even if you get all of your limbs chopped off. During the two years that it took for him to get that settlement, he wasn't able to have any income. This was holding up his disability from social security because they're contesting whether or not he actually was disabled. So, two years, no money coming in, $106/month for food stamps, and every other month there was a church that would pay our power bill. That's not what I'm posting here to tell you about. Everyone knows how shitty companies are to injured employees. I'm posting here to tell you about his Union, the United Mine Workers of America. My father had been a miner for the decade before the incident, and that entire time he was a passionate and active union member. Some of my earliest memories are from being taken to union meetings and events, and we're in a right to work state. Hated scabs and really believed in the union. Well, at some point he'd been told that he didn't qualify for the union disability pension for some reason or another. Five years ago, one of his old co-workers reconnected with him and set him straight on that, then spent a lot of time helping Daddy put together his application packet and get that going because they owed him 5 more years of pension before that. He managed to get everything, even the employer's internal incident report, the initial hospital visit, the referral to specialists, the x-rays from before and after, the surgery order, surgery narrative, even the letter from the social security administration that dated his total disability to the same day that he was hit by the rock at work. The UMWA starts by not responding for 10 months. Dad didn't want to keep calling them because that's how your packet keeps finding itself on the bottom of piles. When they finally got back to him, they sent requests for more records, mind you they at this point have more than enough to determine the disability was caused by an incident at work in a mine. Dad manages to scare up a few more and send that in. Another almost year wait. They send the same vaguely worded request for more information. At this point they have everything and that coworker happened to have some pull so he put a packet of all the records together, this time annotated. Now it's supposedly being handed off to nurses to evaluate the medical records. This time it's an 18 month wait. I want to point out that my dad had only been drawing $1200/month for disability and he was scared if I sent him too much, they'd find out and it'd mess up his disability, so while I was able to pay most of his bills for him by having stuff in my name, he didn't let me help much with things like his medicine which took a giant hunk of the after tax $900 he had every month. Daddy needed that damn pension that he earned and needed it badly. So yeah, 18 month wait. Every time he calls, he's told they're working on it, but he's told something at some point around October of 2018 that had him pretty confident that it was finally going to come through for him. I don't know if you noticed that I've only spoken of my father in the past tense. Daddy passed in January of last year. I moved back down to take care of everything, and in February, I received a letter addressed to my father from the UMWA that vaguely requests more records. Because my state is stupid, I wasn't able to get his death certificate until April and then immediately probated his estate so I could get things wrapped up. Once I was named administrator of the estate and had the legal standing to take action, I send copies to the UMWA, then after a wait so I'm sure they've been received, I call up the UMWA and try to get a straight answer from them of what exactly they're looking for. At this point, I'm dealing primarily with the head of pensions. What I'm told boils down to just "more" and they refuse to answer why what they had already wasn't sufficient. They kept saying it was the nurses who were requesting it and because of how they were set up they didn't know. I'm pissed. It's not about the money for me. I make decent money, but at this point screw them for screwing my dad, doesn't matter if it's a single dime all of this is over. Anyway, a month after I spoke with them, I get a letter saying his pension was denied. No denial reason, just, nope--screw you. There's an appeal form, so I go to the local office, give them copies of my letter of administration (again), look over what they have, and put the appeal in. I'm told this usually takes around 4-6 weeks (this stuff happened in May). During this time, I also call up the lawyer that represented my father 20 years ago and get him to represent me. I finally, at the end of November, get a letter that tells me the prehearing call will be on December 19th. When I conference in my lawyer, magically, the evidence that wasn't good enough for the last few years becomes good enough instantly. We're told that there's no need for a hearing because it's clear that the incident happened in the mines and his records will be forwarded to the nurses for final review. When she said that, I unmuted my phone and asked how this is different from before (those exact words). She told me that before it was unclear that the incident took place at the mines and his information never went to the nurses. I had to quickly mute my phone again before I reamed that lying asshole out. So I got the first of the checks last Thursday. Once organizations get to a certain size, it's no longer about whatever the organization was originally about, but about keeping the organization going, even the ones that are supposed to be about the members.
Jesus man.. Sorry bastards. Hard to believe the world sometimes. Makes you wonder why you try so hard to live the right way, when you just get shit on. Good job pushing through though. My respects to your father.
I'm going to be awfully critical here, but it seems like you should have lawyered up much more quickly, or rather your father should have. Malcolm Gladwell's claim that: middle/upper class kids have a sense of entitlement, which gets a bad reputation, but causes them to end up in better situations. I wonder if another option is to attempt to use media channels; what news outlet wouldn't want to run the story of a guy breaking his back in a coal mine and having to go through hell to get his disability? Doesn't even matter what political bend the media has; liberal ones will want to blame the company situation and conservative media companies will love to blame the union.
Moral of the story, don't ask for your whats due to you, sue for whats due to you. Yes, it costs more, but you should simply not be handling cases like that without doing it through your lawyer.
@@Ex0dus111 pretty much. Wish I could have talked Daddy into it, but is is. Also never assume any company or group will do the right thing or is on your side.
Very true. There is a reason why they call it "human resources" you are no different than any other appreciating or depreciating resource on the books.
I’m a delivery driver. With a bachelors in education and a masters in accounting. I was a teacher for 13 years overseas and then an auditor for three back in the states. I received no training at my auditing position and I struggled all the time. As an auditor I was given a lot of responsibility including having to communicate with the client with regards to the audit. I struggled just to keep my head above water but it never really got better. Every day people expected me to know the answers for key financial information but half the time I did not even understand the question. After struggling for two years at my CPA firm I called it quits and never looked back. I do food delivery now. I enjoy food delivery. I enjoy talking with and meeting people. I don’t make a fortune but I can support my family with the amount I work. I could not fathom returning to an office. Often it seemed that work had to be first in your life and everything else second. That is not possible for me and it took me a lot of schooling and time to figure out. But I am happy, now.
As you become older you will find that you will have to be nearly perfect in your occupation to hold your job. When I was forced to retire I was told that "you're lucky that you were a good Pharmacist". So, I'm cut out of 6 years of my profession that has nothing to do with my skills. The complaint against me was that I didn't take ownership of the Pharmacy. Corporations like Kroger have no ethical bounds. Do you really want to work for someone who has no ethics? How about a country which has thousands of non-ethical organizations and do you feel relaxed and accepted in public or on constantly on guard? People in the U.S. do not realize that we could change this in a matter of months. Stop believing the lies, don't participate and demand a better country for our children.
And that's why I stopped applying for these so called "dev jobs". Development, for me, is just a hobby now. I love doing it and I'll continue doing it. I'm afraid that a company would make me hate it forever.
In times past, people only wanted a corporate job because corporations had good benefits, vacation/sick pay, employer contributions to your 401k, job transfer to other states. No More. Just contract work.
thats just how capitalism works, not only corporations: abuse or be abused communism is the "right" idea but it just doesnt work and will never work because humans itself are selfish, corrupt. etc so we have to stick with capitalism forever
@@zerokusaki6751 nah even in theory communism is trash that exploits people in an even worse way than capitalism or corporate. Doesn't help that communist doctrines were written by a lazy and abusing pos.
@@zerokusaki6751 socialism is possible. some form of it anyway. we can do it if we try, under the right circumstances. capitalism is cruel and something has to be done about it.
@@Gashdal Well there is no "we" at the end of the day. The only people who can implement "socialism" are those who already hold complete power over everyone else. I don't know how many more millennia it'll take for people to realize that those who weasel their way into power are always going to serve their own interests before randoms posturing on the internet.
There's no reason to set the mood. Just tell the damn story. I don't like it when people try to hijack my state, when they start out saying they are not doing that and then some sycophant tries to dismiss a callout of the obvious discrepancy.
My dad lost his job through outsourcing in the 90s and I feel this exact same way about how people are being treated as slaves. Corporate Slavery is evil.
Hey, Joushua. Thanks for video! You convinced me to not move to USA because corporation world is ruthless here. I prefer paying 60% tax in Norway but without worrying about landing on street everyday.
I prefer hustling myself and making money. No safety net but the reward is there if you game it right. Safe is nice. But ive already hit rock bottom and climbed back without the help of people.
Man... i dream to move to the states, but every day that passes i see and hear things that turn me off the states.My best friend is working as a manager at a review company in Chicago and he tells me life is good, fantatic but i really don't bealive him because he don't look happy like he was before.I think il stay in EU.You sound like a nice person.Wish you all the best Josh and thanks for the video
Joshua Fluke, You are my “New Hero”! As a now 59 yr old man, working the last 14 years as a software development engineer- who was recently the unwitting casualty of a corporate Reduction in Force (RIF) - on my birthday no less, nearly 8 months ago! I’ve had a very similar mindset (I maintain there is no such thing as ‘corporate loyalty)! So a former colleague & I are setting out to start up our own business partnership- with a small ready made client base. So your story has done more to inspire me- since having a similar experience to your father - on the interview circuit. Thank you, for the motivation!
Hue, hue... we told them that at my previous job. Know what they did? Changed it to PEOPLE resources (PR). LOL. At some point you're going to have to face it, in a service driven economy people are the means of production and company need these to make money. That's how it is, it's a whole lot better than how things were back in the day that industry or agriculture was king, but it's not good enough and it needs to change yet again.
the system is the problem, letting companies get away is these shady practices. I live in Europe and the same companies exist here, but under the law you have 20+ days paid leave/year, health insurance (working or not), 1 to 3 months notice when laid off, while working for them (microsoft, google, axa, ing...)
How the hell could a person enjoy being awakened at 6:30AM, by an alarm clock, leap out of bed, dress, force-feed, shit, piss, brush teeth and hair, and fight traffic to get to a place where essentially you made lots of money for somebody else and were asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so? ..... Charles Bukowski
I am happy there are people who thibk like this. Cause when i say something like this people just ignore me and many of my friends left me cause i said the truth. I realized at graduation that i dont want to walk the path of rat race.
I had my ex-boss accuse me of stealing via text message over a weekend. I was out of town for my birthday. I got the text message just as we were sitting down to blow my candles out on my cake. I was freaking out. I'm fairly certain he was looking to downsize because of the coronavirus, and found that excuse of me stealing. He threatened me with calling the police etc. I felt less than human. It was one of the shittiest things a human has ever done against me. This video helped me. I had 3 months of savings put away. So I'm fine. This last job has made me realize that I don't belong as an employee. I am working on my business idea I've had on the backburner. It's a huge risk. But life is short, and risks are meant to be taken.
@@TheShmrsh Who says you even need employees to run a business? You can be a web developer, make the websites yourself and make a contract with a company to buy that website for a fixed price. Eventually your company name will grow and you will have too many tasks and then you hire employees to help you out. Then as your company grows and you have hundreds of employees and start making millions, the money and power gets to your head and you start firing employees that are paid a high salary just to hire employees that can do the same job for less and become the very thing you hated and what got you to start your own company in the first place.
This is the reason I dropped out of my MBA school. One of the professors literally told us that in the 2 years of time doing this course, we will get papers torn and thrown in our faces, yelled at and humiliated because they are trying to prepare us for the stress and atmosphere in the corporate world. I was like wtf? The assignments kept piling up one after another so much so that I was sleeping at 3 am,used to have dinner in my bed and had no time to even go to the gym. I worked my azz off and usually never got yelled at but I saw other people getting yelled, humiliated and insulted on daily basis and it disturbed me personally. I asked myself if I am ok being treated like a trash and a working machines as long as they pay me to tolerate it. That's when I realized that it isn't for me.
That the school was doing this because it was reality...just so much wrong. Kind of sounds like what military basic training, so you accept orders without thought. CEO tell you to lay off X amount of people...you just do it.
I respect your viewpoint and what you do for your parents. I’ve been in the IT game for almost 20 years and can attest that you’re on point. I’m starting to get resentful that I’ve stayed in the oil and gas industry for so long.
Most non competes are Jewish in nature i.e. unenforceable with a good non jewish attorney. Legally you cannot keep a man from making a living. Jews will try, but they cannot. State law usually wastes a Jew document. Let's hope it stays that way. Go to a Jew interview open carrying if it's legal in your state. They are tiny manlets and will be on the defensive in an interview. You won't get the job, but it's fun.
@@StacyTurner Are you really that full of toxic hate? Or are you suffering from Jew envy? I know and work with lots of Jewish people. Your slander holds no weight.
You can be hurt in a similar way because you work for a company that has a no-compete with all businesses in an area. Companies that fear litigation can just throw your application in the trash.
@Ryan Sondalle So typical...And I guess that the boss who was yelling at you did not even finnish high school and was so incompetent that he/she wouldnt be able to do your job if his/her life depended on it....Its the same everywhere not only in the USA
At 56, hard to believe that number came up so fast, but as a full stack developer, I've been in enough of these "letting you go" meetings since turning 50 than I care to think. Even being let go when I knew I was a top performer in the team. This video was the best inspiration for me today and going forward to do my own thing. You hit every conscious thought I've found out about the corporate world. Thanks.
My mom is in somewhat the same situation it's a catch 22 sometimes. You have the experience and knowledge to command top pay but then the company finds a person that they feel can do 80% of what you do at 3rd of the cost. For the last 4 to 5 years my mom hasn't really made it pass a year with a company very often. Most of it is because the project she was working on is finished and they don't want to keep paying her top dollar while waiting on a new project so they let her go
I am just a year older and just lost a job after 20 years with the company. Luckily got some severance so I took time off to clear my head. I have not started looking for a new job yet, dreading the fact that I will have to compete with people half my age. I was thinking half-heartedly about doing something on my own instead of getting a regular job. This video kind of spoke to me. There was nothing in it I didn’t know already, but it was so raw that it touched a nerve.
@@craiggerhardstein7305 so what's the problem? She's working few months a year and earns more during that time than others in a year, maybe she also spends 300%more? Companies are not charities. If junior can do some work why hire senior for it? Have your mother ever heard about idea of saving.
I graduated with a BS in civil engineering right the peak of the 2008 crash in the US. There were no job prospects in my area. None. I worked as a temp draftsman for 5 years jumping company to company, approx. every 6 months. These were large engineering and architecture design firms. I saw them layoff 25% of their senior engineers/architects (usually already 30+ years of experience at those companies) because they could hire another senior for entry level money. It was freakin' brutal. I learned real quick; you are expendable no matter how good or how experienced you are. I learned the death "signs" of a company (before bankruptcy or major layoffs), as many companies I used to be a temp for went under. I'm in a more stable place now. A lot of colleagues has asked me; why I move to another company every 3 years (Reason: better wages), or why I never allow companies to "pay or claim" my certifications (reason: companies can claim that those certs. are the companies property) and I get them o my own dime, or never sign a non-compete (reason: duh), or always have two other side jobs (reason: so I always have backup streams of income). MOSTLY this was learned because I saw the devastation of people who had seniority in a company be tossed aside like unwanted trash. And usually, embarrassingly, I was the part of the "cheaper" replacement. I know I'm seeing this video late, but I've recently changed jobs and this pop-ed up on my feed.
I feel you bruv. The emotion really came through. I’m at the early stages of my career and I’m gonna take this to heart. Thanks for sharing your experience.
One of the most relatable videos I have ever seen. I just regret not seeing it a year or two ago, I might have done a lot of things differently. I feel it way more than I would want to. I am happy for you Josh, thank you for this video and the work you did, you do and will do.
One of the main reasons I open my own excavation company.... Got tired of a bell telling me when to work and when to stop... I started off with a ten-thousand-dollar excavator and $3,000 dump truck... And now... all I can say is I'm blessed.... You'll never get rich working for somebody else...
Nice, I have come to a realisation that I can't stand that stupid bell any longer. It's why I am hopefully gonna start something this year or at the very latest early next year. Might as well take the risk and try anyways.
@@andreasmuller6365 And what judge/court allowed this company to take everything from Joshua's father? The legal system is so corrupt... no wonder politicians often come from the legal industry.
Corporations care about one thing and one thing only. That thing is money. And that is why America is such a failure. It is being run by traitors. The world is laughing.
That sort of is the tradeoff. A company is a big system that's far harder to run than working for a salary. The company may be making millions off of you but you don't take on the whole stress and problems of the entire company. Still, if you can go the self employed route or startup route it can pay off big time, but the risk is the main factor. You don't have so much risk besides job security when on salary.
There’s is no more pertinent time for this video to have appeared in the suggestions feed. This story is sobering and a swift wake up slap… glad you shared it at the time and kept it alive for continuation. Saving it as one of the best videos I have seen to date.
Firstly, subscribed. Second, this was extremely moving, heartbreaking, and motivating. I’m an Air Force veteran who had a very similar experience as yourself. Needless to say, I won’t be joining the military again, but I love my vets. I’m now a project manager trying to find a way to take that salary to never have to fear the loss of a job again. Hearing you sounded so much like me to my mother when I told her I got kicked out, after years of service and a tour to the Middle East. They said I was honorable, but not cutting it, and took my education benefits. They left me on the street 2 months before I would have left with all my benefits. I got a job at a local dealership working 15 hour days every single day and borrowed money to survive, but learned how to sell myself. My future boss hired me off that car lot and now I make more money that the commander who fired me. I don’t want to ever be in that position again. You speak the truth, and your story was heard loud and clear. Thank you for this video, it was gut wrenching.
Joshua, thanks so much for sharing. I am a software developer too and have been through similar stuff. I love writing code but hate the corporate mentality out there.
a *great* man once said: 0:00 - 33:15 thank you for this. and the community that you have build, so people will know how companies see you and how we should treat them
When I started working IT I was a go-getter. I wanted to prove myself as an asset. It took a few years of let downs such as layoffs, no raises, 2 percent raises. I changed my attitude from working for the company to working for me. This way I wouldnt get disappointed and that I would be constantly investing in myself by learning new things earning more certifications. It was my goal to become a better version of myself so that when I get a better offer it would leave a hole in the company where I came from. Because of this I have gotten nice counter-offers. Now I work for a company a few miles from my house and have a side business that makes almost the same money and in part time. If they let me go I would still be comfortable. I hope to ride it out though to retirement. It would be nice to have the extra money. Im so sick of cooperate life! 59.5 cant come soon enough!
1) do WHATEVER you can to create an income that doesn’t mean you swap time for money. 2) ALWAYS have 6 months living costs at hand 3) NEVER think other people’s lives are better than yours, focus on making yours the best for you 4) consumerism and marketing is the most powerful trick in the book, learn how unnecessary it is
You're still very far off the mark, down a dark hyper-individualist hole, just like OP in his video, unfortunately. The true lesson is not to "never depend on anyone else", that's impossible. You will always depend on others, you can't pay yourself, you can't print your own money, make your own roads and fresh water and grow your own computers and build your own pizza and print your own vegetables and do everything that makes life possible. You always depend on others, that's not a bad thing in itself, the problem is the type of relationship, the _how_ you depend on eachother. What you really want is a healthily functioning society (or at least a micro-society made up of your direct contacts) where people do things for eachother mainly because of the mutual benefit that generates for all participants, not for some abstract inhuman goal like "maximize profit number on balance sheet, beep beep" like frickin capitalist drones. The lesson is you need to get yourself into a situation where profit is not the only - or not the main - reason for people to keep working with you or buying your stuff. And for everyone to be able to do that becomes a question of social system design, not something every individual can solve for themselves. Joshua here was extremely extremely extremely lucky to get the situation sorted out like he did. For every one of him there's another 1000 who moved back with their parents, took up flipping burgers or moved under a bridge (and got every incentive to vote Trump etc.). The problem is the capitalist-consumerist system (that's incidentally also destroying the climate and overall environmental conditions for human and animal life to continue), and the true solution requires that we unite against these corporate employers to take them off their pedestal, change the fundamental laws of the economy and turn every company into a democratic organization (like a co-op), where there's not one guy who decides whether you're hired or when you should be fired but only the collective of people who worked with you every day get to make that decision together. (And then we would also get to decide whether we really want to work on polluting or non-polluting devices, on weapons or non-weapons etc.)
@@d0nj03 I'm sorry but you're also very far off the mark as well. *I mostly agree with your first 2 paragraphs* in a general sense, but you have to understand the root problem is (in simple terms) the evilness of the human heart, and not the "capitalist-consumerist" system. There are several critical flaws to your proposed solution, just to name a few: - Almost all big corporations are in bed with the biggest corporations of all: Governments and States, that have all the same problems that corporations have (bureaucracy, politics, nepotism, etc) because after all they are composed by the same ingredient: people with self-interest and potential evilness. The only difference between them and "corporate companies" is that they enforce taxes instead of persuading you to buy through marketing, and when they don't have enough money they print it, devaluing the money you have in your pocket (another form of tax). And also that they can change the rules that govern your personal life and private interactions at any time without your consent (sure, you can vote Kings and Princes every once in a while but they can do what they want when in office). - Changing the fundamental laws of the economy is as much a *nonsense* as changing the fundamental laws of physics. You can't. You could change some specific economic government policy, but if that new policy is not in tune or goes against the "fundamental laws of economy" it causes harm to the pockets of regular working people, increase in poverty / scarcity, and wouldn't harm the real corporate / government interest, since they wouldn't sign something to harm themselves (if they signed it they're probably profiting in some way). - "democratizing every organization" is definitely worse in many ways: Even if you ignore the potential evilness in people, and assuming everyone in the organization has the best interest of everyone else in mind, decision-making would be way slower because everyone would have to reach an agreement about every little detail, and with the constantly changing environment outside, this alone would make adaptation to changes harder and would probably kill the organization. Then of course, the evilness still exists: - *what would prevent a person in that environment to employ deceit and manipulation in order to gain votes to steer decisions for his own personal gain?* - do all people in the organization have the same voting power, or do people with technical expertise or knowledge have more valid opinion and therefore more voting power? if equal voting power: it would be easy to fill enough positions with people that don't know much, and then trick them into voting decisions that benefit a bad actor. if more knowledge equals more voting power: who gets to regulate / validate the level of knowledge of each person, deciding how much voting power each one has? *You end up with an overly-complicated system that still doesn't solve the problem*, which is that all humans have different levels (or gradients) of evilness, selfishness, ignorance and pride. So they end up *deceiving, stealing (and sometimes killing) each other in whatever system you put them into*. The world is full of deceit and hollow ideologies. The only thing to do is to seek to behave well individually and help each other, without putting trust in these kinds of human "solutions" that only shed blood in vain. And wait.
@@8ggbEgXf45Er8UAF Sorry, I can't take antidemocratic arguments seriously in 2022. The history of progress in human politics seems to have passed you by, you have some catching up to do. Overwhelmingly people feel their needs are being met and interests catered to more under democratic systems than non-democratic systems, this is just a fact. And it absolutely also applies to productive orgs as well: people are more satisfied with their work-life in co-ops where they're co-owners and get to vote managers in and out than they are in typical (dictatorial) capitalist companies where their only right is to be bossed around or leave. An important point though is to distinguish between well-camouflaged capitalist plutocracy masquerading as democracy (e.g. the U.S. system, which generates a lot of dissatisfaction you can see in various polls) vs. better systems that are closer to the ideal of easy participation for every citizen, working for the majority's well-being instead of a privileged minority etc. (Europe scores well here, particularly Switzerland with its frequent referendums on all kinds of decisions, which don't seem to have clogged up the workings of their state BTW).
@@d0nj03 It seems you have misunderstood the text. No one made any "antidemocratic" arguments here. "It's 2022!" isn't a valid argument for anything though. What I was talking about specifically, is what you said about democratizing every private company. And you didn't address any of the potential vulnerabilities that were mentioned, dismissing them with "its 2022". Talking about "the history of progress in human politics" what seems to have passed you by are the millions and millions of people killed in experiments of "revolutionizing the laws of the economy" or "democratizing / socializing the economy". Experiments that continue to kill and oppress people to this day. Polls about how people "feel" and their subjective "satisfaction with their work-life", even if conducted with integrity, is insufficient as support for what you're talking about. It's proven that public perception of those things is completely subjective and can be easily manipulated or influenced both up and down regardless of improvements of quality of life or detriments of it. Europe, allied with the US, has been involved in horrible things in the middle east similar to what Russia is doing now in Ukraine. Even on the assumption that "Switzerland good" like you said, it would be a one small scale success in many large scale fatal failures. If you don't address the vulnerabilities that were outlined previously, doing those kinds of experiments at a larger scale again, having ignored the lots of previous attempts results, would be tremendously risky and negligent. It would be like saying you have a pill that might make you feel better about yourself 1 out of 10 times if you are sick, without addressing the fact that 9 out of 10 people that took it died or worsened their sickness heavily. And selling that as "the true solution". Don't get me wrong, if I was tasked with running a small team I would try to run it in similar terms to what you're describing, having the teammates more like co-owners of the projects and sharing in the profits. I think this would be good, and also I believe its pointless to be greedily obssessed with accumulating wealth excesively and irrationaly, this is bad. It's not wrong that you are trying to find a solution to the problem, but if you don't solve the potential threats and vulnerabilities that were already exposed by the previous attempts, you may just be contributing to the next hitler, out of spite against some corporate dudes that would probably profit from your revolution.
I used to tell the team we should all submit our resumes to the candidate we're interviewing so he can make a more informed decision whether he wants to work with us. They thought that was ridiculous.
That’s a great idea. I might steal that for my team. I probably won’t last much longer, might as well challenge entrenched worldviews in the time I have left. Some of the seeds might sprout someday.
Man this was a tough story and I can relate to it in a sense since my Dad went through a similar situation. Always gotta look forward and take care of yourself because of these stories.
In my experience i've always been the one screwing the companies over. They would train me up, promote me and then i would jump ship to a new company for a lot higher pay and continue this same cycle. LOL i guess i got lucky.
Yeah that's the only way of doing it, I wasted far too much of my life upskilling myself and waiting for the company I was loyal to recognise me and promote me (and never bothering - because why would they pay a guy more for doing a job he is already doing?). A few years ago I said fuck that and switched to being brutal, now I use companies to place a feather in my cap then piss off to the next one. There used to be a saying amongst executives that you should only stay in one company for four years as beyond that you'll have exhausted any useful experience you could gain from it; Tech is even more cut throat, you'll get only about a year out of company before it's time to jump ship.
And don't feel sorry or guilty for them. They'd never be sorry for firing your ass even if you were in dire need. It's business, nothing personal. And quit that "we are a family" nonsense
Guys a business is not a person. It's organization that is there to b definition make money. Don't feel anything for them (sorry, guilt but also anger). Y'all sound like some bitter ex. A business buys your time nothing more. They are not your friend not your enemy. They need you you need them. If they don't need you well bye bye. But when they don't provide for you of course you should go.
Guy with 15 Years of Dev-Experience here (8 professional & 7 Education) Josh share your opinion and I think you are not salty or mad .. I think you are telling the truth.
Thank you for dropping some knowledge on what it's really like out there in the corporate world. I'm 30 and starting my a career as a Software Engineer, and your videos really help me get a better understanding of what to expect!
My last job was at a startup. I have tattoos. When I started I stayed late and worked hard to learn their system. But behind my back, the 31-year-old CTO referred to me as " the criminal" when talking to his team. I heard it on an office drinking night. Everyone laughed. I was deflated. When I resigned, the CEO (30-year-old) wanted to talk to me to change my mind. He said it was just a "joke", "It's like how when they refer to El Salvadorians as Mexicans" - Ceo. It's so strange because they look human and act human but strangely aren't. They should call it Corrupt-porations.
That sounds like discrimination and was probably illegal. Too bad you'd probably waste thousands in court just to have them win anyway. Sorry this happened to you. You deserve better.
In the past only criminals had tatoos. Noone who wanted serious job didnt have tatoos. Tatoos were not allowed in jobs. You did this to yourself. Dont blame him.
@@SciMoTeAr Some of us strive for an equitable workplace where people are judged by their words and actions rather than superficialities. Attitudes like this and the people who espouse them are to blame for the persistence of our toxic and discriminatory workplace cultures. I.e I blame people like you. Besides, a smart startup would welcome someone who shows you who they are up front over some lily white asshole who on the inside is a privileged, bigoted piece of shit who will inevitably be unable to read the room, run their mouth, drive off quality employees, and become a liability for the company.
@@SciMoTeArtrue but he has a point. What is the CTO doing negatively talking about his subordinates behind their backs to others on his team? That's not professional at all, if you have valid criticism for a subordinate as a CTO or any management for that reason it needs to be said behind closed doors face to face. That's trashy culture plain and simple. I'd leave too, any business that operates on principles like that deserves to go out of business.
You are inspiration to me. I am just starting my career in web development and this vlog will be in my favorites for rest of my life. Thank you Josh 👍🏻🙏🏻
Smit Patel hi Smit, Are you PHP Eng? I’m working on some API as a Service. Would u like to work w/me & build this business? Im serious. I’m a 15 yrs experience SE.
I'm a bad situation at the moment, an even though I'm not working as a developer or anything like that, you inspire me to get out of the mess. You really do.
I worked with a guy who told h.r. that he didn't like the difference in the terms "resignation" and "termination." rather than "resigning" he told them he would "terminate them as his employer." he told them they were fired from being his employer lmao 🤣
YJM YJM In the Philippines, you cannot terminate a regular employee, the company can get sued for illegal termination. They would talk to you and force to resign or the worst will make your life hell until you can't take anymore and you will resign.
I understand why you won't work for a corporation. I only worked for small, family owned business until age 23, and then I've been a business owner ever since.
This was real. I know my experience doesn't reflect alot of people, but I wouldn't be here today without it. This is my story. It's not everyone's. But you can understand why I'm cynical. Why I am pro entrepreneurship. Maybe I'd be making code tutorials if it worked out. Maybe I wouldn't have this channel. Who knows. But either way, I appreciate all of you. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for sharing, very helpful information
I'm in the same boat haha
You're a real one Josh!
You deserve great things Josh. I'll do everything possible to help you get it.
Joshua Fluke damn dude same experience here I’m trying hard not to tear up
The older I get, the more I think that you're not actually supposed to do all the things that you're supposed to do.
Brilliantly stated.
the things they tell you to do
Wtf is that supposed to mean Wrigggy ?
@@3IMAD69 it means growing up getting married with kids and working a corporate job regardless of pay until your 65 when all your body's youth is gone is not the move. Find a way to Work for yourself try as hard as u can to retire when you still can move freely. Experiencing the world young vs old in terms of travel and adventure are vastly different. and I want to see it from both perspectives. Or you can let someone else profit 10x the pay u get for YOUR work.
You're not. The gov't puts up all these obstacles and rules and make you run the rat race because they can and you have to drink water, have heat in the winter, food on the table, clothes on your back & a roof over your head.
Corporations are for profit, use them like they use you.
Yes
why is there a background music?
@@JoshuaFluke1 Do you know how corporate politics work ?
@RockMusic this is such a inciteful comment
That is the only way to success.
At my first job I asked for a raise after 9 months of working at a much higher level than I was hired for. My boss told me "you don't even bring in customers, all you do is code". I left that job a month later for more than double the pay and benefits. When I put in my notice he was mad and made a comment about using his business as a stepping stone and how it's not professional to leave unfinished work. I still think about what he said and it just makes me laugh.
glad you left
Fuck that! They used u as well.
They fail to acknowledge that without their coders, there is no product that will bring in customers. :) Coders bring in the customer.
"all you do is..." who would ever want to work for someone who says that to you? Talk about unprofessional...
You just dropped that company like it's hot! That one good move!
I love this guy…everyone in the IT and tech industry needs to hear this
everyone in all industries need to hear this
Corporate companies are ruthless dude, never trust anyone especially when it comes to work
I agree
Your right man.
Too many fake people at work
@@bane2256 💯!!!!
@@bane2256 One of my bosses had such a saccharine smile that everyone absolutely hated her.
Dolores Umbridge brought to life.
Have a lot of respect for you Joshua. Im a 54 yr old and couldnt figure out the corporate pyche game until my 40s. Was always blaming myself. You saw through it in your 20s. You're a good man. Your parents should be proud.
If only his Parents weren't monsters...
@@fenrirswolh3 I am actually intrigued, how and where will Joshua move on. If the rock bottom ubringing and rough work experience retards him as cynic without purpose in life or he will grow wings. So far I am betting on the latter and its great to witness it.
Same
@@OkurkaBinLadin will he's already making lots of money with his TH-cam career so he's winning...
To the original commentor, so what is the corporate scheme??... my cynical mind tells me that everyone who makes it has some form of "fake" or "kiss-ass" in them. Is this what you figured out too? Haha
Agreed totally! Most people his age don’t even have half his character.
Kid, that's an epic rant. I'm 51 and it took me about 20 years to wise up. When people criticize your attitude toward working for the man, just tell them "I'm just ahead of the curve."
so sick of corporate culture that guilt trip you into doing extra hours
@@joeyvandervelden3047 First of all, OP didn't mean he's "ahead of the curve" as in getting paid more, but more because of his mindset. He isn't pissing on anyone, he's just stating facts about his life and how his mindset has changed from his experiences. You're the only one pissing on him.
You have to realize no matter how hard some people try, they won't get promoted because the managers don't want their position taken and the higher ups will just higher another person as manager instead of promoting the workers at the bottom.
Don't antagonize his dad just because he made a huge mistake. You don't have the right to speak on their situation or talk down on anyone unless you've lived how they've lived.
Shut up kiddo
@@joeyvandervelden3047 clearly you watched the video with malice, not an open mind.
@@STarCRAFT4BRITS ?
My first 3 jobs I was a corporate simp, I’m much more aware of how companies are not loyal to there workers now, your not alone and it’s evident your videos are helping a lot of people, keep up the great work 👍
“Why are you killing yourself for a job that will replace you in a week if you died? Take care of yourself!” ~ Unknown
"Go away. I don't care about your problems." ~ MBA Graduate
@@itsupport4565 Yeah life teaches you how elders will treat you like crap. Throw you away then replace you with the next victim.
I'm not seeing any comment that isn't childish narcissism. Me, me, me, me, me. The world is not "me", sorry.
One of those it never happened to...
chris sean quote
Huge respect for paying your parents rent. You're a true inspiration.
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I haven't caught up on the drama but I hope the best for you and your family Josh.
@@stephenmisso1543
mby because a shit ton of people cant pay their rent AND their parent rent since they also have a family to take care off ?????????
@@sookiezboly4502 I think the point being made was, he had the disposal cash to help his family out, apposed to keeping disposal to himself to live more luxurious.
@@f2prs358 Yes, I totally agree.
@@peggyclinton8343 it's a dream of most, but I always think that you shouldn't hinder yourself for others, rather, make possible adjustments when can do.
I will just say that if you’re in a position to help and your parents have been good to you I can not imagine not helping. What, you’re gonna let them get evicted just so you can save a few more bucks a month? I do know some people have parents that don’t deserve shit, but again, if they’ve always been good to you not helping them when you can is just monstrous.
this one hit home for me to a pretty painful level. I was at a company as a glazier for a few years and I was super nervous to lose my job and was super gung ho to learn absolutely every single little thing and work 12 hour days with shit pay because I was "so grateful for the opportunity".
I am being 100% honest when I say this!
as my mother was passing away from cancer during the start of the pandemic which was impossible to judge weather I would lose my job due to the company shutting down (as mass layoffs were happening) and the country was shutting down, i knew I needed to be with my family. So I packed my bags flew back home to spend time with family.
I shit you not, my boss called me back repeatedly asking me to come back to work because "we're really busy and we need you to come back"
they couldnt even wait for my mother to pass.
companies could give a flying fuck about your well being.
what ur doing now
Humans suck
all companies are the same , at least most of them .
Could you have asked them to let you work remote? Win win for you both
I'm sorry to hear this. This is what happens when you work for a soulless place that forgets humanity which is so unnecessary. I hope things are on the mend.
Dude, your dad didn't get the job because the guy asking the questions was afraid of losing his.
jack phillips I agree
Man, that's actually accurate
Interesting take on this story. First of the 48 Laws of Power.
@@antonionotbanderas9775 Never outshine the master ;D
this has happened to me SOOOO many times.
Sitting here alone in my parents spare room, aged 40...... looking back at 14 months of redundancy from my last dev position...... skills becoming less and less like skills and more like what I used to know........ wondering where did it all go so wrong. I look in the mirror and see that youthful 25 year old full of hope, just with 15 fewer years to do anything about it.
Thank you for this video and this honesty......... I think it's time to start working hard for myself and not for someone else.
Wishing you the best, Martin. You're not alone.
@@jcantonelli1 Thank you, Joe. :)
Justin gave you good advise. Glad you remember it. I think that the higher the IQ of people... The worse they treat people. They almost lose their humanity in these jobs and in these corporations. They are those robotic guys you remember at school and yet somehow in the modern world they are cherished as champions of society. Strange if you ask me.
I HIGHLY recommend that...I wrote software for genetic study and cancer research which sold for $6k a pop, and used by ivy league colleges across the US and labs across the EU...yet here I sit broke as hell while my old boss's live very well.
Hey dude, I feel your pain. Best thing I can recommend for a guy in your position.. If you can't work - train. Train for your next job. Get involved in open source projects.. Put together a blog in your technical area.. Use all the resources you can to hustle. Make sure your LinkedIn is up to date when I looked it doesn't look like you've done anything for a while - get those training courses and certifications on there.. Register a website and blog on it. Good luck.
As a developer I am seeing this happen right now to my teammates. Great hardworking devs with a ton of internal specific and external knowledge. I am really beginning to think that I didn't get selected for a layoff because I do senior level work at a mid level salary. During all of this turmoil in the last year I applied for other jobs for a backup plan or a possible promotion.
After interviewing with about 10 different companies I see three patterns:
- They are looking for a chump to do a lot more work for less (40+ hours/week expected, clean up their bad practices without changing their bad practices)
- The interviewer is also a developer with an issue that they want you to solve in the interview or have solved in the past (advertised for a back end dev, but really needed an experienced DBA to solve a big data problem)
- They don't really know what they want but advertise for a jack of all trades, interview you ten times and then ghost you
This video earned my sub!
Maybe there is no position. The person interviewing you just needs help with his task and pretends it is an interview rather than free labor. Hence 10 interviews.
Have exactly the same experience… when you hear “you just banging keyboard “ from your “supposed to be technical manager” it’s time to rethink…
@@stargazer2042 good point 😂
Great
America is a selfish society. they yell noble principles but really they are trying to earn a buck out of it underneath the currents.
I re-watched this 2 years afterwards and this is absolute gold! I worked at a few high profile hedge funds, investment firms and so on and all of them are exactly as u describe. No matter if u make 50k or 300k, you are just an expense and u are there as long as they can extract more money than u cost, that is it.
Truth. People who disagree with this, it just hasn't happened to them yet.
xdonvito probably one of the worst feelings
or you know they read contracts before they sign them.
It definitely is... @@tfh5575
@@GlendaBlumenthal Joshua's father had a very bad layer or none. If the non-compete is too unfair, the judge should declare it unenforceable.
Nah it has happened to me, but I don't get attached to a job so I'm not upset. It's just a job. Stop pretending it's anything more.
You may be salty and cynic with companies, but you are one of the most honest and caring people I've ever seen, judging by your videos. I am merely an internet stranger to claim this, but without that, your videos would be just some bullshit like "How cool I am". Instead, I see a living person talking about his experience in the most straightforward way I can imagine.
Thank you for what you do!
This should be a TED talk.
@Øath betrayer ???
@@Øath betrayer …wtf?!! I must have missed something...which Ted Talk was that?...
@Øath betrayer stictly speaking it's a TEDx :) Which doesn't make a big diff anyways
@Øath betrayer It's a TedX from some no name place that was taken down. Sounds like you're out to pick a bone.
No, this is too real for a family friendly TED talk.
The same thing happened to me Josh. My boss fired me and replaced me with "a better deal". She didn´t even let me say goodbye to my colleagues. I was thrown out as a criminal Never felt more humiliated in my whole life :(
if you want to say goodbye you walk and say goodbye you never ask for permission from someone who is not your boss
@@juljanplaku8514you can be removed forcefully bc you are technically tresspassing as soon as they terminate you. If you're lucky, they watch you empty your desk, so you have a chance to exchange numbers/emails.
never work for a bitch. Maybe she had a period that day
@@juljanplaku8514 yeah, they banned my card but colleague opened me the door and I entered like a boos and was laughing at them
"You are expendable, you are a profit margin decrease, there is no job security, there is no company loyalty, there is only job skill security and your ability to sell yourself in the interview." - Joshua Fluke
Yes, this is called real fucking life. It's so annoying listening to you people crying about how you're an "expendable, profit margin blah blah". Of course you are. The whole point of my business is to make fucking profit. Would you start a business with a different goal in mind? Good luck with that. It's not the business owners job to change your diaper. He pays you for your labor, period. If you're not making the business more profitable or efficient, your ass has to go
@@RDA8191 People get replaced just because someone else is better or automation, not just because they aren’t doing their job. Without your employees you wouldn’t be making shit in the first place. 🤣
I guess you forgot that part.
@@RDA8191 you wont ever run a successful business. Take one class in management before you spout more garbage.
If you go into business for yourself, you still have to sell. Even this vid is a sales piece. That is really how people make money.
That’s so true. If you can sell yourself. It’s so important.
this deserves more views than those sugar-coated silicon valley developer vlogs
much respect for you man
Swears brr
Ed Kazarajy the realness is raw. I appreciate it.
I am 71. I have been in the computer industry for over 35 years. At my last job at a major university on the east coast, I was given the option of retiring early, or face termination. Age discrimination is rampant in this country. Nobody wants to hire someone with a lot of experience in tech, in both hardware and software that is 71 years old.
Same thing with my dad, over 35 years experience as chemical engineer at only one company. He plans retiring early because company know how to dodge paying retire money. That dodge called make a chaos situation and then "face termination".
@@anyaamalia5856 I certainly can sympathize with your dad. I wish him the best.
@@anilerkol I agree with you. After working for someone for over 35 years, I would not want to do that again, especially at the age that I have reached. I would like to earn some money on the side since I do not have a lot to fall back on due to past medical issues that pretty much cleaned me out.
@@anilerkol Dude, I am 21 and I am already tired of this work bullshit, I feel you 100%. I am so fucking tired I invest more money every month than I pay for rent, food, clothes, going outs, etc combined. Happy to see I am not the only one seeing this torture.
@@mickcv4554 I have had to work all my life, including 6 years in the military during the Vietnam war. When you were not able to put money away as you were younger, when you get to be my age, you have nothing to spend except on bills such as mortgage payment and medical expenses. I do hope you do have some golden years to look forward to. Save as much as you can now.
the problem starts in school making employees, thats what I regret the most of my life , studying to become an employee and to depend on a corporate job.
rust duh science . . . fiction . . .
Love it young man. I'm almost 50 an in your dad's shoes. He's lucky to have a son like you.
I think you need to watch his other videos. You may feel differently
Kevin Schart Not necessarily. From what I’ve seen on other videos, Josh started out genuinely trying to help. However, the circumstances broke down their parents ability to take care of themselves and it wore out their relationship.
@@gerardosaldana9207 I get it, I've gone through similar situations with my father. But I didn't publicly trash the guy. I don't want to go back and forth about it, but the way he handled that didn't sit well with me.
Kevin Schart Alright, you make a good point. You made me re-read this brief “conversation” and reconsider some things. I now agree with your original comment about how watching Fluke’s other videos may make OP reconsider his statement and I agree that it is not good to “air out one’s own dirty laundry”. Thank you Kevin, hope you have a good rest of your day.
Gerardo Saldaña From Joshua’s other videos... his stories don’t quite add up.
Dads good, but he’s bad. When the drama stops, the revenue stops.
You make a strong case for being self-employed or being a small business owner. Your story is why the millennials are not loyal to a corporation.
Corporations make it easy to amass wage slave trinkets. There’s more to life than working for someone else. Stay minimal.
Yep loyalty is dead. Me first **** you! 🤬
Yeah and then youll be worrying about the business 24/7, image and advertising (or spending money on ad firms), when things go wrong you will always take blame
I worked cst service and i sometimes just had to take crap from other peoples screw ups or genuine mishaps, but CEO has to take crap too
Never, ever be loyal to a company, because they aren't loyal to you.
Always put yourself and your own career interests first!
Always put yourself and your family FIRST.
@@kyliefire5008 Yes Kylie, so true. In that case, you ask God for wisdom and then leave the family behind and pray for them.
This happened to me recently. The company I worked with quite literally forced us to resign. They unassigned all of our projects with one e-mail stating that we did an excellent job but we were basically no longer needed. And just like a Thanos finger snap, 500 of us were out of a job. The job I worked for before (retail 10 years) was very similar. Stop giving these companies your loyalty. They do not deserve it. Stand up for yourselves.
Sounds like Raymond James, who had 2-3 rounds of layoffs with each round like 500-800 engineers were laid off. Only to be replaced with maybe 1000 contractors. They saved tons in benefits.
I believe that is how real unregulated capitalistic rules work. I'm no way socialist, but here where the social rules and job regulations should come in, like in Sweden, Germany or Central/Eastern Europe (if it is big enough company to be interesting for law prosecution) where it is pretty hard to fire anyone with a finger snap without serious reason. Even if this is a company shrinking - in this case they have to come with real compensations or even providing trainings and re-trainings. In my experience, when similar situation happen - people were not just fired, they were actually recieved package + most of them were introduced to business partners (and they are working there now) or to even the competitor companies... maybe it is just our high management that is really taking care of the companies image as it is pretty small country where every big company is on a spot light and mangement as well.
I thank God your parents have a son like you, who cared for their needs at your own risk !!! You deserve your success !
I agree, my brother is a 37 year old selfish asshole who refuse to work any job and choose to stay all day watching minecraft gameplays and anime while my mother is enabling him and paying his cell phone bill and giving him free food.
@@KennethDiazperlloni Tuff...
@@KennethDiazperlloni same one of my cousin 27 yr old does same..its sad and everyone in family makes fun of him behind his back
Man this is what I’ve been feeling for years. I’m sick of jumping through hoops for these companies, I’m sick of sacrificing my time away from my family. I’m sick of my life being in other peoples hands. Everything you said was 100% true and I’m glad I decided to watch this video. Hell yeah man keep it up.
I remember negotiating a two week vacation before I took a poition. I got it in writing. 8 months later my vacation came up and the company was trying to fire me for taking it. That is the reason won't work another corporate job.They think they own you
I feel like you need a hug. Thanks for sharing your story.
I want to say I was just recently awaken to not trusting companies. My dad died on April 22. In the middle of that, my manager called and I could hear him being sad, telling me that corporate came back and shorten the bereavement time from 5 days to 3. I told him 3 days isn't even to grieve for my dad. He agreed but only thing we could do was use my vacation time. Shortly after when I went back to work I found out the department is being sold off to another company. So in about a years time I probably won't have a job anyway. After watching this, I get it and I agree with you Josh.
I’m really sorry about your dad.
You remind me of Louis Rossmann. Similar experience, philosophy and work ethics except he is in hardware repairs instead of software dev.
Good video, wish you the best.
So get out there and start building your skillset and be proactive. They'll need you eventually.
Except Josh mutes his swears and Rossmann goes all out 😂
Louis is the fucking ALPHA MALE
More flux
Except Louis is a grown-up man while this one is a boy.
This my favorite video of the year. Spoken truth that everyone lives, but afraid to admit.
Farming is the only job one can trust... city life is bullshit
@@curiousgeorge6921 Even trusting in farming might be giving a false sense of hope, as you'd likely depend on the will of your large business partners to pay off your loans as everyone else.
Hey man, thanks for these great videos I'm not a Coding-guy, but an Electrician. Your vids helped me get into a better job and earning what I'm damn well- worth. 10/10
Yea im not a developer either but his videos helped me a lot as a financial analyst i dont have any loyalty to any company my loyalty is bought not earned if i had not found this channel i would not be where i am now
@@henryomarm Can you explain this, I'm 19 and need some advice.
I’m an electrician as well. I’m curious to know what do you mean “get into a better job” also how long have u been in the trade? Are you in the union?
@@henryomarm ya i need some advice too , i am 17 year old and still can't figure out what i should do with my life
@@darkside4566 Very hard to tell you without knowing you. Heh I even have trouble advising people I know... as a general rule of thumb I would say it's important to do something you are good at but it's better if it's something you like. If you want to do something you like doing, you should be ready to work really hard to be better than anyone else at that. If you can be the best at something, apart from the narcissic boost it procures it can really boost your confidence and give you more choices. More freedom. It also helps to master a skill that is rare or in high demand. Sometimes doing something that no-one else wanna do can improve your career. At some point there were little people who dreamed of becoming a database administrator and it was better paid because not so many people looking at this career but I don't know if it's still true nowadays. Sometimes a company chooses a shitty and outdated technology and find very little candidate to take up the development. After offering basic income they up their ante and end up offering better salaries. But to be honest accepting a shitty job to have a better pay is not for everyone. And I am not sure that is helping up much in finding out what you should do with your life.
I've spent 40+ years working, first 15 for government and the subsequent 25 for Corporate America. Josh's comments are all spot on.
Why do you leave the Government sector? Isn't it a safe job for life?
@@aika7974 Well, used to be a safe job for life. At least that's what my parents always told me. I was a soldier though, so there were always people shooting at me and trying to kill me. Didn't seem very safe to me. Then there were other things like forcing dozens of vaccinations on you, dictating what you could and could not say, owning you 24 hours a day and 7 days a week, living outdoors in harsh conditions for long periods of time. Even so, I did try to stay and make it a career. However my commander accidentally killed another American soldier in a battle. He was the son of a powerful family, so he set me up to take the blame. I fought it, avoided prison, and got him thrown out of the military, but it ended my career as well. That's it in a nutshell. I'm glad I'm out and would never work for the gov't again, even with the perks. It is corrupt, inefficient, joy-stealing, nepotistic, unethical and mundane.
oh dear, i feel so bad for you having to deal with drama in the military; regardless, i appreciate your service for our country!
Military doesn't represent most government jobs I would think
@@jcwynn4075 True, but also did 25 years in the corporate world, which was 25 too many.
This is literally me, except i was a chemical engineer. No matter how hard you work it's never enough. Fuck corporations. I'm alot happier just doing odd jobs and pursuing my own business, i will never work for anyone again.
Im also a chemical engineer, Id like to know more
I don't think everyone should take this to heart. It's okay to work for corporations, just make sure you use them and play the game as well as them.
This is horrible. I never understood this "you have 5 minutes to leave" thing in the US. In Europe, you have 1-2 months notification period. I had to change my job a few times but it was never like this nasty.
Yeah, and whenever you bring the subject of balance between corporation & employees, they'll call you a communist.
No not always. In certain situations they will just do the same thing, the only diffrence is that they have to pay you the next 1-2 months salary. Especially in IT they dont want you there anymore because they are afraid that you will do something in the System. The same thing happened to me, there was even someone always next to me who was watching me when I was packing my things, ss if they expected me to go nuts or something. Europe has the same "Job" culture, USA is just a bit more worse whit the laws.
If you give them a month or two they will spread rumors and dish out all the gossip and dirt. Also can destroy files and sabotage the company to get even. May even stell a few fellow co-workers to leave with you. Employers don't want to take that chance so they take your ass out without even giving you and indication. This can backfire however as the person isn't allowed time to cope and is hit with such as shock that they snap turning them into a disgruntled employee.
@@youaregoingtolovethis They can spread gossips outside of the company too, and they do it all the time independently of layoffs. Causing harm is a real risk. But... Recently, I told one of my friends: "You cannot be a jerk because you suppose that everybody is a jerk, and you want to prevent that they harm you. You must wait until they act like a jerk then you can be a jerk in response."
Just like the healthcare system, USA is a company and not a country really looking out for its people.
"I did everything in this life that you're supposed to do". I felt that.
me too
That hit me real hard.
Same here
100%
I'm not a dev, but I feel this too.
Dude is spitting the truth ♥️ and unlike other youtubers who try to show their life as perfect, you're being real, and honest!
Unfortunately employers don't respect honesty anymore
In the corporate world, you're just working towards someone else's dream.
Unless your dream is to work as programmer not as means to get something else :)
True. I always intended to be a programmer. My dad was one and I earn my masters in CS. Even my dad comments on how the corporate attitude towards programmers has changed. The best thing I did was become a freelancer, I can now choose what I want to do.
"In the corporate world, you're just working towards someone else's dream."
*The best companies encourage 20% "follow your dream" rule where developers can use 20% of their work time exploring anything they're interested in hopes of winning company stock from the yearly entrepreneurial research pool.*
Certainly not your own...
@@1guy2shells5 Corporate changed because sales man are higher in latter than programmers, engineers. In early programming days programmers sold themselves, when company needed solution, programmers calculated their skill, salary, potential end of project...and owners choose ''best'' solution. Salesman without knowledge of profession are above real professionals, that is main problem. th-cam.com/video/ecIWPzGEbFc/w-d-xo.html
There's no respect for the workers. We are expected to give a 2 weeks notice before quitting but workers can be laid off at the drop of a hat.
people who tried that at my company to leave on good terms were immediately let go, not always a good idea. you basically have to be laid off or have medical reason aka something that would get them sued
Only give 2 weeks if you like your direct boss. That's the only person that benefits from it you would care about.
my previous job had 4 months notice period. When I quit they acted like I was taking advantage of them because they had to keep paying me for 4 months.
Lovely, yes?
@LMNOP if you signed a contract stating that you would give 2 weeks notice then you have to agree to that contract or forfeit whatever the underlying issues in that contract are. As far as anything other than a binding contract oh, you are at will to fire your employer, meaning quit without notice. I'm not saying you shouldn't do that, but if you got a crappy boss and a crappy job give them crappy notice.
This video has made you a lot cooler in my eyes, thanks for opening up so authentically.
Agreed. Someone else commented on how this is shared with someone like Louis Rossman and I totally see the similarities. It's just simple authenticity. Straightforward.
Hey bro, I just wanna say as a 23 year old trying to survive in this economy, you have been a rock for me with your insight and advice. I watch you constantly and try to apply your teachings to my life, and it has worked wonders for me already. I'm still trying to climb up to get myself in a position like you've gotten yourself in, but I'm not giving up and you've given me a road to follow so now it's not as confusing as it once was. Thank you for all you do, ignore the haters and people mocking you. Their idiots and don't realize how much you help the young generation.
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
This, right here, is why I've always loathed the modern job market. It's borderline dystopian in nature.
-You need the job experience to get the job that requires the job experience. Don't have the experience? Why not try """volunteering""", as if you have a choice?
-You have companies trying to undersell your job position in an attempt to make you believe your career of choice is not worth as much, so that they can pay you less.
-Your skills aren't important; what's important is whether the interviewer finds your personality good enough to be _considered_ for hire.
-As mentioned in the video, if they can find someone better than you who is willing to work for the same salary or less, then say goodbye; you've become a liability.
-Oh what's that? You were let go from your previous job? Well then we can't hire you with a record like that. Bye.
-Oh what's that? You haven't been working a job for an extended period of time? Well then we can't hire you with a record like that. Bye.
-Oh what's that? You're desperately in need of a job because you've become homeless? Well then we can't hire you with a record like that. Bye.
And people wonder why everyone is so depressed nowadays? When this is how we're all being treated? And we just brush it off by saying "life isn't fair; get over it"?
To hell with that; this isn't "life"'s fault. We did this. Society. We're the ones making life unfair. All so that a select few people can load their pockets, only to end up dead like the rest of us.
Josh, I hope you inspire more people to stop taking this crap. No one should get to decide which life is worth more.
$ Your life is worth less now...$
Buddy this is capitalism :)
Double-edged sword. You can't have amazing technology and a nice roof over your head if people weren't forced to either work or starve.
So well said. I hope those big bosses at the top burn and rot in hell for treating the rest of us like we are not human.
Yeah we did this because it works, if people/companies dont abuse then they wont grow up, if they dont grow up then our society doesnt grow up, it's capitalism and it works because humans are the worst thing, communism will never work cause we will never be good persons, not even "god" is. We have not choice but abuse or be abused.
As a manager at a big company, I can say that almost everybody is just a line in an excel sheet somewhere...
Including you. Life is so much more.
bro i`m sure u r a no body xD
Exactly. As a manager too, I feel the same. I know I'm a line in an excel.
As a dev at any size company, I can say that you is the one who's job is to interrupt people all the time.
To the government your just your SSN, to your company your just your number. I will say some companies are working on dealing with people as people, but I will say that others don't give a shit and never will.
Oh boy, I thought my experiences were bad. I'm completely put off working in tech, so tired of managers talking down to me when they make more than me and couldn't do my job. Thanks for being upfront about your experiences, it made a difference to me.
@UCZhLCZ3spc7AErUWa1gBHSg I'm new to programing can I ask what country you were in when you had these experiences. You're name sounds European and I'm moving there for school. I just want to know if its just as bad in Europe as America.
@@soundtraveler9555 Haha, not European, Tolkien ;) I was working in London also known as screw-over central. I'm a "unicorn" designer/developer, AMA.
@ what programming languages do u use?
@Tony Elistratov I've had a situation where a contract that I negotiated for that was initially a live project became a demo that went nowhere and the guy in charge screwed it up before the demo was even presented at an arranged meeting. On reflection I think his anger issues stemmed from cocaine use and he yapped his trap at the wrong exec. Of course he tried to pin his own failure on my work (that the clients hadn't even seen). There's so much more to this story, it was a real circus. My favorite moment was when on the way to the bathroom I saw an exec (probably making millions a year) in the corridor crawling on his hands and knees in black satin ladies panties. Yes, this actually happened, no, I can't believe it either.
@ What's yo twitter unicorn?
Josh. You probably just saved a life by sharing yours. I have never in my life heard a more heartfelt, honest, and humbling moment then the few moments I just spent listening to you. I realize this video is an older one and I pray you are still in the same mind set. I honestly believe you gave hope to someone who felt that there was no hope. Directions to a directionless person. It does not take much to change a persons life and you never know when and how it happens but you made it happen by just speaking from your heart and being you. THANK YOU.
A wise coworker once told me "You don't owe a multi billion dollar company anything."
Correction: you don't owe anything to ANY company regardless of size. Job is a contract and should always be treated as such. You do something for them, they pay you as agreed. People should never think of their jobs as anything more than that. I know it's easy to start feeling comfortable and as if you were part of some one big happy family when you work for somebody else. But you're not. They are just your client and as a client they can kick you out and go find someone else. Be aware of that and you can can work as a regular employee. But lose sight of this reality and you're bound to be disappointed at some point in your life. Having your own business/being a freelancer is the same but with more flexibility and power over your own life.
Be loyal to your team, to yourself, never a company.
Another lesson: HR is there to protect the company, not you.
@@szumeczek I like to remember that whatever you're being paid, the client must feel that they're getting more value than they're giving otherwise you wouldn't be employed. Why not find a way to direct all/more-of the value you're capable of generating, back at yourself and your family?
They owe you nothing too.
This is why I've worked for myself for the last 20 yrs. I can't deal with attitude and incompetent leadership.
Which field?
How do you "work for yourself?" That phrase is phony and fake.
Employees have one boss.
Entrepreneurs have multiple bosses.
As long as someone else writes the check, you work for them.
The only people who "work for themselves" are the independently wealthy.
@@bobkorzeniowski You get resources either from nature or other people
Bob Korzeniowski you have no clue what an Entrepreneur is🙄
@@John-uz5qb An entrepreneur works for their customers and clients (i.e. their bosses).
So my father was a coal miner. He had a rock fall on him in 1999, and it broke his back--not a break that paralyzed him, but one that required a 16 hour surgery where they took hunks of his hip bone and grafted them to his vertebrae with titanium straps and screws fusing the 4 on top of his hip bones together.
The company, of course, fought his disability. This happens automatically even if you get all of your limbs chopped off. During the two years that it took for him to get that settlement, he wasn't able to have any income. This was holding up his disability from social security because they're contesting whether or not he actually was disabled. So, two years, no money coming in, $106/month for food stamps, and every other month there was a church that would pay our power bill.
That's not what I'm posting here to tell you about. Everyone knows how shitty companies are to injured employees. I'm posting here to tell you about his Union, the United Mine Workers of America.
My father had been a miner for the decade before the incident, and that entire time he was a passionate and active union member. Some of my earliest memories are from being taken to union meetings and events, and we're in a right to work state. Hated scabs and really believed in the union.
Well, at some point he'd been told that he didn't qualify for the union disability pension for some reason or another. Five years ago, one of his old co-workers reconnected with him and set him straight on that, then spent a lot of time helping Daddy put together his application packet and get that going because they owed him 5 more years of pension before that.
He managed to get everything, even the employer's internal incident report, the initial hospital visit, the referral to specialists, the x-rays from before and after, the surgery order, surgery narrative, even the letter from the social security administration that dated his total disability to the same day that he was hit by the rock at work.
The UMWA starts by not responding for 10 months. Dad didn't want to keep calling them because that's how your packet keeps finding itself on the bottom of piles. When they finally got back to him, they sent requests for more records, mind you they at this point have more than enough to determine the disability was caused by an incident at work in a mine. Dad manages to scare up a few more and send that in. Another almost year wait. They send the same vaguely worded request for more information. At this point they have everything and that coworker happened to have some pull so he put a packet of all the records together, this time annotated.
Now it's supposedly being handed off to nurses to evaluate the medical records.
This time it's an 18 month wait.
I want to point out that my dad had only been drawing $1200/month for disability and he was scared if I sent him too much, they'd find out and it'd mess up his disability, so while I was able to pay most of his bills for him by having stuff in my name, he didn't let me help much with things like his medicine which took a giant hunk of the after tax $900 he had every month. Daddy needed that damn pension that he earned and needed it badly.
So yeah, 18 month wait. Every time he calls, he's told they're working on it, but he's told something at some point around October of 2018 that had him pretty confident that it was finally going to come through for him.
I don't know if you noticed that I've only spoken of my father in the past tense. Daddy passed in January of last year.
I moved back down to take care of everything, and in February, I received a letter addressed to my father from the UMWA that vaguely requests more records.
Because my state is stupid, I wasn't able to get his death certificate until April and then immediately probated his estate so I could get things wrapped up. Once I was named administrator of the estate and had the legal standing to take action, I send copies to the UMWA, then after a wait so I'm sure they've been received, I call up the UMWA and try to get a straight answer from them of what exactly they're looking for. At this point, I'm dealing primarily with the head of pensions. What I'm told boils down to just "more" and they refuse to answer why what they had already wasn't sufficient. They kept saying it was the nurses who were requesting it and because of how they were set up they didn't know.
I'm pissed. It's not about the money for me. I make decent money, but at this point screw them for screwing my dad, doesn't matter if it's a single dime all of this is over.
Anyway, a month after I spoke with them, I get a letter saying his pension was denied. No denial reason, just, nope--screw you. There's an appeal form, so I go to the local office, give them copies of my letter of administration (again), look over what they have, and put the appeal in. I'm told this usually takes around 4-6 weeks (this stuff happened in May).
During this time, I also call up the lawyer that represented my father 20 years ago and get him to represent me.
I finally, at the end of November, get a letter that tells me the prehearing call will be on December 19th.
When I conference in my lawyer, magically, the evidence that wasn't good enough for the last few years becomes good enough instantly. We're told that there's no need for a hearing because it's clear that the incident happened in the mines and his records will be forwarded to the nurses for final review.
When she said that, I unmuted my phone and asked how this is different from before (those exact words). She told me that before it was unclear that the incident took place at the mines and his information never went to the nurses.
I had to quickly mute my phone again before I reamed that lying asshole out.
So I got the first of the checks last Thursday.
Once organizations get to a certain size, it's no longer about whatever the organization was originally about, but about keeping the organization going, even the ones that are supposed to be about the members.
Jesus man.. Sorry bastards. Hard to believe the world sometimes. Makes you wonder why you try so hard to live the right way, when you just get shit on. Good job pushing through though. My respects to your father.
I'm going to be awfully critical here, but it seems like you should have lawyered up much more quickly, or rather your father should have. Malcolm Gladwell's claim that: middle/upper class kids have a sense of entitlement, which gets a bad reputation, but causes them to end up in better situations.
I wonder if another option is to attempt to use media channels; what news outlet wouldn't want to run the story of a guy breaking his back in a coal mine and having to go through hell to get his disability? Doesn't even matter what political bend the media has; liberal ones will want to blame the company situation and conservative media companies will love to blame the union.
Moral of the story, don't ask for your whats due to you, sue for whats due to you.
Yes, it costs more, but you should simply not be handling cases like that without doing it through your lawyer.
@@Ex0dus111 Your lawyer is your advocate, the company is not
@@Ex0dus111 pretty much. Wish I could have talked Daddy into it, but is is.
Also never assume any company or group will do the right thing or is on your side.
God, I hate the corporate world. I just don't understand how those who are in charge of all the hiring can be such out-of-touch slime balls.
Slime balls. Yes.
Very true. There is a reason why they call it "human resources" you are no different than any other appreciating or depreciating resource on the books.
HR works for the compnay to protect their interests - not the employees.
I’m a delivery driver. With a bachelors in education and a masters in accounting. I was a teacher for 13 years overseas and then an auditor for three back in the states. I received no training at my auditing position and I struggled all the time. As an auditor I was given a lot of responsibility including having to communicate with the client with regards to the audit. I struggled just to keep my head above water but it never really got better. Every day people expected me to know the answers for key financial information but half the time I did not even understand the question. After struggling for two years at my CPA firm I called it quits and never looked back.
I do food delivery now. I enjoy food delivery. I enjoy talking with and meeting people. I don’t make a fortune but I can support my family with the amount I work.
I could not fathom returning to an office. Often it seemed that work had to be first in your life and everything else second. That is not possible for me and it took me a lot of schooling and time to figure out. But I am happy, now.
Some people are just not made to work in an office setting. Took me 5 years to come to that realization.
@@P8860 Basically
I’m a delivery driver with an associates in diagnostic medical sonography. I can’t do the politicking the office requires.
@@squarepeg418 I hear ya. It's soul crushing
@@P8860 I’m just lost - I don’t have the social skills for it. I’m like bull in a China shop.
I bequeath upon you the adblock whitelist
I love you
@@JoshuaFluke1 Get verified on Brave so you automatically get paid from people using the browser.
@@pet3590 this
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@@pet3590 how do i get an ad via the rewards thing?
As you become older you will find that you will have to be nearly perfect in your occupation to hold your job. When I was forced to retire I was told that "you're lucky that you were a good Pharmacist". So, I'm cut out of 6 years of my profession that has nothing to do with my skills. The complaint against me was that I didn't take ownership of the Pharmacy. Corporations like Kroger have no ethical bounds. Do you really want to work for someone who has no ethics? How about a country which has thousands of non-ethical organizations and do you feel relaxed and accepted in public or on constantly on guard? People in the U.S. do not realize that we could change this in a matter of months. Stop believing the lies, don't participate and demand a better country for our children.
99% of dev jobs are 100% the way you described it.
And that's why I stopped applying for these so called "dev jobs". Development, for me, is just a hobby now. I love doing it and I'll continue doing it. I'm afraid that a company would make me hate it forever.
My Reviews untangling outsourced Bangalore spaghetti does not make one enthusiastic, youre correct.
Even our physics professor was telling us how all his NASA friends were fired the next day after success. It's a USA problem.
Nothing wrong with you. You realized how screwed up corporate is. Corporations are trash. I have had a deep hatred for corporations since I was 19
In times past, people only wanted a corporate job because corporations had good benefits, vacation/sick pay, employer contributions to your 401k, job transfer to other states. No More. Just contract work.
thats just how capitalism works, not only corporations: abuse or be abused
communism is the "right" idea but it just doesnt work and will never work because humans itself are selfish, corrupt. etc so we have to stick with capitalism forever
@@zerokusaki6751 nah even in theory communism is trash that exploits people in an even worse way than capitalism or corporate. Doesn't help that communist doctrines were written by a lazy and abusing pos.
@@zerokusaki6751 socialism is possible. some form of it anyway. we can do it if we try, under the right circumstances. capitalism is cruel and something has to be done about it.
@@Gashdal Well there is no "we" at the end of the day. The only people who can implement "socialism" are those who already hold complete power over everyone else. I don't know how many more millennia it'll take for people to realize that those who weasel their way into power are always going to serve their own interests before randoms posturing on the internet.
"don't feel sad for me" put sad music
Gotta set the mood 😉
@@PaintedPapaya Like I need any help to feel sad lol
There's no reason to set the mood. Just tell the damn story. I don't like it when people try to hijack my state, when they start out saying they are not doing that and then some sycophant tries to dismiss a callout of the obvious discrepancy.
bastiat6865 just chill cuz
@@trolltothebank Stop trying to hijack his state!
My dad lost his job through outsourcing in the 90s and I feel this exact same way about how people are being treated as slaves. Corporate Slavery is evil.
Hey, Joushua. Thanks for video!
You convinced me to not move to USA because corporation world is ruthless here.
I prefer paying 60% tax in Norway but without worrying about landing on street everyday.
I prefer hustling myself and making money. No safety net but the reward is there if you game it right. Safe is nice. But ive already hit rock bottom and climbed back without the help of people.
I've been convinced of the same thing man. Think I'll stay in UK or elsewhere in Europe.
@@JoshuaFluke1 What a legend.
Man... i dream to move to the states, but every day that passes i see and hear things that turn me off the states.My best friend is working as a manager at a review company in Chicago and he tells me life is good, fantatic but i really don't bealive him because he don't look happy like he was before.I think il stay in EU.You sound like a nice person.Wish you all the best Josh and thanks for the video
not sure how being a slave to government is better than being a slave to a corporation is any better but ok....
Joshua Fluke,
You are my “New Hero”! As a now 59 yr old man, working the last 14 years as a software development engineer- who was recently the unwitting casualty of a corporate Reduction in Force (RIF) - on my birthday no less, nearly 8 months ago! I’ve had a very similar mindset (I maintain there is no such thing as ‘corporate loyalty)!
So a former colleague & I are setting out to start up our own business partnership- with a small ready made client base. So your story has done more to inspire me- since having a similar experience to your father - on the interview circuit. Thank you, for the motivation!
The very name "human resources" is insulting. These people are psychos.
Nikolaos Kal Human resources is the enemy.
no
Nikolaos Kal every Human Recources person I've known have been complete assholes.
Hue, hue... we told them that at my previous job. Know what they did? Changed it to PEOPLE resources (PR). LOL. At some point you're going to have to face it, in a service driven economy people are the means of production and company need these to make money. That's how it is, it's a whole lot better than how things were back in the day that industry or agriculture was king, but it's not good enough and it needs to change yet again.
Wow I agree 100% Human Resources departments do not support workers.
the system is the problem, letting companies get away is these shady practices. I live in Europe and the same companies exist here, but under the law you have 20+ days paid leave/year, health insurance (working or not), 1 to 3 months notice when laid off, while working for them (microsoft, google, axa, ing...)
How the hell could a person enjoy being awakened at 6:30AM, by an alarm clock, leap out of bed, dress, force-feed, shit, piss, brush teeth and hair, and fight traffic to get to a place where essentially you made lots of money for somebody else and were asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so?
..... Charles Bukowski
Masochists do... And that warm fuzzy feeling of stockholm syndrome. These people fit in just right
@@neilmcdougall4927 That's right
I am happy there are people who thibk like this.
Cause when i say something like this people just ignore me and many of my friends left me cause i said the truth.
I realized at graduation that i dont want to walk the path of rat race.
@@mypackmypower1996 You are courageous, most of people are afraid of being out of the mainstream.
the world is soo fucking sick. People are manipulated to be like sheep, taught how to be slaves!
I had my ex-boss accuse me of stealing via text message over a weekend. I was out of town for my birthday. I got the text message just as we were sitting down to blow my candles out on my cake. I was freaking out. I'm fairly certain he was looking to downsize because of the coronavirus, and found that excuse of me stealing. He threatened me with calling the police etc. I felt less than human. It was one of the shittiest things a human has ever done against me.
This video helped me. I had 3 months of savings put away. So I'm fine. This last job has made me realize that I don't belong as an employee. I am working on my business idea I've had on the backburner. It's a huge risk. But life is short, and risks are meant to be taken.
Dude , but who will be your employees? ))
@@TheShmrsh Who says you even need employees to run a business? You can be a web developer, make the websites yourself and make a contract with a company to buy that website for a fixed price.
Eventually your company name will grow and you will have too many tasks and then you hire employees to help you out. Then as your company grows and you have hundreds of employees and start making millions, the money and power gets to your head and you start firing employees that are paid a high salary just to hire employees that can do the same job for less and become the very thing you hated and what got you to start your own company in the first place.
@@SI0AX I don't like to do things by myself
good luck... the only job security is your own business
Good luck sir!
This is the reason I dropped out of my MBA school. One of the professors literally told us that in the 2 years of time doing this course, we will get papers torn and thrown in our faces, yelled at and humiliated because they are trying to prepare us for the stress and atmosphere in the corporate world. I was like wtf? The assignments kept piling up one after another so much so that I was sleeping at 3 am,used to have dinner in my bed and had no time to even go to the gym. I worked my azz off and usually never got yelled at but I saw other people getting yelled, humiliated and insulted on daily basis and it disturbed me personally. I asked myself if I am ok being treated like a trash and a working machines as long as they pay me to tolerate it. That's when I realized that it isn't for me.
@Anon Don't be a b*tch. It was one of the top MBA colleges in the country. Now move along.
@@deepalall647 you're the only one that looks like a b*tch rn.
@@verybarebones Naah, you’re being a c*nt by siding with a moron.
That the school was doing this because it was reality...just so much wrong. Kind of sounds like what military basic training, so you accept orders without thought. CEO tell you to lay off X amount of people...you just do it.
@BronzeXV70 That's the problem. They don't get what they're asking for.
I respect your viewpoint and what you do for your parents. I’ve been in the IT game for almost 20 years and can attest that you’re on point. I’m starting to get resentful that I’ve stayed in the oil and gas industry for so long.
Never sign a non-compete. I learned that as well.
Most non competes are Jewish in nature i.e. unenforceable with a good non jewish attorney. Legally you cannot keep a man from making a living. Jews will try, but they cannot. State law usually wastes a Jew document. Let's hope it stays that way. Go to a Jew interview open carrying if it's legal in your state. They are tiny manlets and will be on the defensive in an interview. You won't get the job, but it's fun.
@@StacyTurner Are you really that full of toxic hate? Or are you suffering from Jew envy? I know and work with lots of Jewish people. Your slander holds no weight.
Sign one that has a 6-12 month limit, or tell them where to place it.
@@StacyTurner Don't ask your legal counsel if but how.
Ive never seen a non-compete that long lasting. All the ones ive signed have been effective for only a few years at most.
Dude i felt like you were speaking directly to me. Shared
never sign a non-compete, NEVER.
They're illegal in a number of places for good reasons.
I got PTSD of Ethan Becker lmao
You can be hurt in a similar way because you work for a company that has a no-compete with all businesses in an area. Companies that fear litigation can just throw your application in the trash.
@Ryan Sondalle So typical...And I guess that the boss who was yelling at you did not even finnish high school and was so incompetent that he/she wouldnt be able to do your job if his/her life depended on it....Its the same everywhere not only in the USA
It's probably different depending on what country you live in. Where I live the NCC's I've signed are only valid as long as I work for that company.
this is the realest shit i needed to hear and i will forever make movements with this in mind
this hit hard. realest video i've seen in a looong, long time. thank you josh, seriously... thank you.
The salt sustains him
Salt sustains us all, just not too much because it will drain you.
it's what plants crave
At 56, hard to believe that number came up so fast, but as a full stack developer, I've been in enough of these "letting you go" meetings since turning 50 than I care to think. Even being let go when I knew I was a top performer in the team. This video was the best inspiration for me today and going forward to do my own thing. You hit every conscious thought I've found out about the corporate world. Thanks.
My mom is in somewhat the same situation it's a catch 22 sometimes. You have the experience and knowledge to command top pay but then the company finds a person that they feel can do 80% of what you do at 3rd of the cost. For the last 4 to 5 years my mom hasn't really made it pass a year with a company very often. Most of it is because the project she was working on is finished and they don't want to keep paying her top dollar while waiting on a new project so they let her go
I am just a year older and just lost a job after 20 years with the company. Luckily got some severance so I took time off to clear my head. I have not started looking for a new job yet, dreading the fact that I will have to compete with people half my age. I was thinking half-heartedly about doing something on my own instead of getting a regular job. This video kind of spoke to me. There was nothing in it I didn’t know already, but it was so raw that it touched a nerve.
Start building your brand friend. Or even freelance. There is currently an abundance of freelance work available @ $50+/hr.
@@craiggerhardstein7305 so what's the problem? She's working few months a year and earns more during that time than others in a year, maybe she also spends 300%more? Companies are not charities. If junior can do some work why hire senior for it? Have your mother ever heard about idea of saving.
@@travisw5076 Such as?
I graduated with a BS in civil engineering right the peak of the 2008 crash in the US. There were no job prospects in my area. None. I worked as a temp draftsman for 5 years jumping company to company, approx. every 6 months. These were large engineering and architecture design firms. I saw them layoff 25% of their senior engineers/architects (usually already 30+ years of experience at those companies) because they could hire another senior for entry level money. It was freakin' brutal. I learned real quick; you are expendable no matter how good or how experienced you are. I learned the death "signs" of a company (before bankruptcy or major layoffs), as many companies I used to be a temp for went under. I'm in a more stable place now. A lot of colleagues has asked me; why I move to another company every 3 years (Reason: better wages), or why I never allow companies to "pay or claim" my certifications (reason: companies can claim that those certs. are the companies property) and I get them o my own dime, or never sign a non-compete (reason: duh), or always have two other side jobs (reason: so I always have backup streams of income). MOSTLY this was learned because I saw the devastation of people who had seniority in a company be tossed aside like unwanted trash. And usually, embarrassingly, I was the part of the "cheaper" replacement. I know I'm seeing this video late, but I've recently changed jobs and this pop-ed up on my feed.
Sorry I had to edit this. Was very frustrated when I wrote it initially.
I feel you bruv. The emotion really came through. I’m at the early stages of my career and I’m gonna take this to heart.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
They charged one banker for the 08 crash there were so many at fault for that.
"I'm not the best at making video" ... camera focused on shake bottle XD
And the mic not being close enough to his mouth.
Lol took me a while to notice even after reading this comment 😂
Plot twist: He did that on purpose to prove his point.
Job skill security. Appreciate the sincerity and gems in this one
This was raw, real, and I respect it! Thank you for sharing your story!
One of the most relatable videos I have ever seen. I just regret not seeing it a year or two ago, I might have done a lot of things differently. I feel it way more than I would want to.
I am happy for you Josh, thank you for this video and the work you did, you do and will do.
One of the main reasons I open my own excavation company.... Got tired of a bell telling me when to work and when to stop... I started off with a ten-thousand-dollar excavator and $3,000 dump truck... And now... all I can say is I'm blessed.... You'll never get rich working for somebody else...
Random question........what do you think software that determines the best haul routes based on a cut/fill map would be worth?
@@user-rp4ni3kg5j .... Earthworks.
Nice, I have come to a realisation that I can't stand that stupid bell any longer. It's why I am hopefully gonna start something this year or at the very latest early next year. Might as well take the risk and try anyways.
Yea it's either get exploited or exploit other to get on top, the whole thing sucks.
These companies are ruthless and don't care about you.
Which is why the government should force them with appropriate laws to give a shit.
@@andreasmuller6365 And what judge/court allowed this company to take everything from Joshua's father? The legal system is so corrupt... no wonder politicians often come from the legal industry.
Ticks me off when old people say "millennials just don't want to work." Nope, they just don't want to work for you.
Corporations care about one thing and one thing only.
That thing is money.
And that is why America is such a failure. It is being run by traitors.
The world is laughing.
Andreas Müller absolutely!!! I been fucking saying this forever but the government wont do anything to hurt their precsious economy
I stopped developing for companies when I realized i was making millions for them and not seeing a return other than salary. Screw that.
How you do you make a living then?
@PotentialCarrot3 :D that's funny, i think there must be some other ways!
All i ask for is salary, job stability, and respect. Fuck everything else
That sort of is the tradeoff. A company is a big system that's far harder to run than working for a salary. The company may be making millions off of you but you don't take on the whole stress and problems of the entire company. Still, if you can go the self employed route or startup route it can pay off big time, but the risk is the main factor. You don't have so much risk besides job security when on salary.
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There’s is no more pertinent time for this video to have appeared in the suggestions feed.
This story is sobering and a swift wake up slap… glad you shared it at the time and kept it alive for continuation.
Saving it as one of the best videos I have seen to date.
Firstly, subscribed. Second, this was extremely moving, heartbreaking, and motivating. I’m an Air Force veteran who had a very similar experience as yourself. Needless to say, I won’t be joining the military again, but I love my vets. I’m now a project manager trying to find a way to take that salary to never have to fear the loss of a job again. Hearing you sounded so much like me to my mother when I told her I got kicked out, after years of service and a tour to the Middle East. They said I was honorable, but not cutting it, and took my education benefits. They left me on the street 2 months before I would have left with all my benefits. I got a job at a local dealership working 15 hour days every single day and borrowed money to survive, but learned how to sell myself. My future boss hired me off that car lot and now I make more money that the commander who fired me. I don’t want to ever be in that position again. You speak the truth, and your story was heard loud and clear. Thank you for this video, it was gut wrenching.
Joshua, thanks so much for sharing. I am a software developer too and have been through similar stuff. I love writing code but hate the corporate mentality out there.
a *great* man once said:
0:00 - 33:15
thank you for this. and the community that you have build, so people will know how companies see you and how we should treat them
very nice
When I started working IT I was a go-getter. I wanted to prove myself as an asset. It took a few years of let downs such as layoffs, no raises, 2 percent raises. I changed my attitude from working for the company to working for me. This way I wouldnt get disappointed and that I would be constantly investing in myself by learning new things earning more certifications. It was my goal to become a better version of myself so that when I get a better offer it would leave a hole in the company where I came from. Because of this I have gotten nice counter-offers.
Now I work for a company a few miles from my house and have a side business that makes almost the same money and in part time. If they let me go I would still be comfortable. I hope to ride it out though to retirement. It would be nice to have the extra money.
Im so sick of cooperate life! 59.5 cant come soon enough!
Without divulging too much is your side business internet-based?
@@hassanud-deen43 No actually my side business is general contracting/carpentry of all things.
i am a well educated... corprate slave. and this video made me wanna cry man
Do you plan on saving and starting your own business soon? I plan on learning how to do just that in due time
1) do WHATEVER you can to create an income that doesn’t mean you swap time for money.
2) ALWAYS have 6 months living costs at hand
3) NEVER think other people’s lives are better than yours, focus on making yours the best for you
4) consumerism and marketing is the most powerful trick in the book, learn how unnecessary it is
You're still very far off the mark, down a dark hyper-individualist hole, just like OP in his video, unfortunately. The true lesson is not to "never depend on anyone else", that's impossible. You will always depend on others, you can't pay yourself, you can't print your own money, make your own roads and fresh water and grow your own computers and build your own pizza and print your own vegetables and do everything that makes life possible. You always depend on others, that's not a bad thing in itself, the problem is the type of relationship, the _how_ you depend on eachother.
What you really want is a healthily functioning society (or at least a micro-society made up of your direct contacts) where people do things for eachother mainly because of the mutual benefit that generates for all participants, not for some abstract inhuman goal like "maximize profit number on balance sheet, beep beep" like frickin capitalist drones. The lesson is you need to get yourself into a situation where profit is not the only - or not the main - reason for people to keep working with you or buying your stuff. And for everyone to be able to do that becomes a question of social system design, not something every individual can solve for themselves. Joshua here was extremely extremely extremely lucky to get the situation sorted out like he did. For every one of him there's another 1000 who moved back with their parents, took up flipping burgers or moved under a bridge (and got every incentive to vote Trump etc.).
The problem is the capitalist-consumerist system (that's incidentally also destroying the climate and overall environmental conditions for human and animal life to continue), and the true solution requires that we unite against these corporate employers to take them off their pedestal, change the fundamental laws of the economy and turn every company into a democratic organization (like a co-op), where there's not one guy who decides whether you're hired or when you should be fired but only the collective of people who worked with you every day get to make that decision together. (And then we would also get to decide whether we really want to work on polluting or non-polluting devices, on weapons or non-weapons etc.)
Why stop at 6 months bro just get 5 years , no biggy. Hell even 10 go for it.
@@d0nj03 I'm sorry but you're also very far off the mark as well. *I mostly agree with your first 2 paragraphs* in a general sense, but you have to understand the root problem is (in simple terms) the evilness of the human heart, and not the "capitalist-consumerist" system. There are several critical flaws to your proposed solution, just to name a few:
- Almost all big corporations are in bed with the biggest corporations of all: Governments and States, that have all the same problems that corporations have (bureaucracy, politics, nepotism, etc) because after all they are composed by the same ingredient: people with self-interest and potential evilness. The only difference between them and "corporate companies" is that they enforce taxes instead of persuading you to buy through marketing, and when they don't have enough money they print it, devaluing the money you have in your pocket (another form of tax). And also that they can change the rules that govern your personal life and private interactions at any time without your consent (sure, you can vote Kings and Princes every once in a while but they can do what they want when in office).
- Changing the fundamental laws of the economy is as much a *nonsense* as changing the fundamental laws of physics. You can't. You could change some specific economic government policy, but if that new policy is not in tune or goes against the "fundamental laws of economy" it causes harm to the pockets of regular working people, increase in poverty / scarcity, and wouldn't harm the real corporate / government interest, since they wouldn't sign something to harm themselves (if they signed it they're probably profiting in some way).
- "democratizing every organization" is definitely worse in many ways: Even if you ignore the potential evilness in people, and assuming everyone in the organization has the best interest of everyone else in mind, decision-making would be way slower because everyone would have to reach an agreement about every little detail, and with the constantly changing environment outside, this alone would make adaptation to changes harder and would probably kill the organization.
Then of course, the evilness still exists:
- *what would prevent a person in that environment to employ deceit and manipulation in order to gain votes to steer decisions for his own personal gain?*
- do all people in the organization have the same voting power, or do people with technical expertise or knowledge have more valid opinion and therefore more voting power?
if equal voting power: it would be easy to fill enough positions with people that don't know much, and then trick them into voting decisions that benefit a bad actor.
if more knowledge equals more voting power: who gets to regulate / validate the level of knowledge of each person, deciding how much voting power each one has?
*You end up with an overly-complicated system that still doesn't solve the problem*, which is that all humans have different levels (or gradients) of evilness, selfishness, ignorance and pride. So they end up *deceiving, stealing (and sometimes killing) each other in whatever system you put them into*.
The world is full of deceit and hollow ideologies. The only thing to do is to seek to behave well individually and help each other, without putting trust in these kinds of human "solutions" that only shed blood in vain. And wait.
@@8ggbEgXf45Er8UAF Sorry, I can't take antidemocratic arguments seriously in 2022. The history of progress in human politics seems to have passed you by, you have some catching up to do. Overwhelmingly people feel their needs are being met and interests catered to more under democratic systems than non-democratic systems, this is just a fact. And it absolutely also applies to productive orgs as well: people are more satisfied with their work-life in co-ops where they're co-owners and get to vote managers in and out than they are in typical (dictatorial) capitalist companies where their only right is to be bossed around or leave.
An important point though is to distinguish between well-camouflaged capitalist plutocracy masquerading as democracy (e.g. the U.S. system, which generates a lot of dissatisfaction you can see in various polls) vs. better systems that are closer to the ideal of easy participation for every citizen, working for the majority's well-being instead of a privileged minority etc. (Europe scores well here, particularly Switzerland with its frequent referendums on all kinds of decisions, which don't seem to have clogged up the workings of their state BTW).
@@d0nj03 It seems you have misunderstood the text. No one made any "antidemocratic" arguments here.
"It's 2022!" isn't a valid argument for anything though.
What I was talking about specifically, is what you said about democratizing every private company. And you didn't address any of the potential vulnerabilities that were mentioned, dismissing them with "its 2022".
Talking about "the history of progress in human politics" what seems to have passed you by are the millions and millions of people killed in experiments of "revolutionizing the laws of the economy" or "democratizing / socializing the economy". Experiments that continue to kill and oppress people to this day.
Polls about how people "feel" and their subjective "satisfaction with their work-life", even if conducted with integrity, is insufficient as support for what you're talking about. It's proven that public perception of those things is completely subjective and can be easily manipulated or influenced both up and down regardless of improvements of quality of life or detriments of it.
Europe, allied with the US, has been involved in horrible things in the middle east similar to what Russia is doing now in Ukraine. Even on the assumption that "Switzerland good" like you said, it would be a one small scale success in many large scale fatal failures. If you don't address the vulnerabilities that were outlined previously, doing those kinds of experiments at a larger scale again, having ignored the lots of previous attempts results, would be tremendously risky and negligent.
It would be like saying you have a pill that might make you feel better about yourself 1 out of 10 times if you are sick, without addressing the fact that 9 out of 10 people that took it died or worsened their sickness heavily. And selling that as "the true solution".
Don't get me wrong, if I was tasked with running a small team I would try to run it in similar terms to what you're describing, having the teammates more like co-owners of the projects and sharing in the profits. I think this would be good, and also I believe its pointless to be greedily obssessed with accumulating wealth excesively and irrationaly, this is bad.
It's not wrong that you are trying to find a solution to the problem, but if you don't solve the potential threats and vulnerabilities that were already exposed by the previous attempts, you may just be contributing to the next hitler, out of spite against some corporate dudes that would probably profit from your revolution.
I used to tell the team we should all submit our resumes to the candidate we're interviewing so he can make a more informed decision whether he wants to work with us. They thought that was ridiculous.
That’s a great idea. I might steal that for my team. I probably won’t last much longer, might as well challenge entrenched worldviews in the time I have left. Some of the seeds might sprout someday.
yes, it is
Man this was a tough story and I can relate to it in a sense since my Dad went through a similar situation. Always gotta look forward and take care of yourself because of these stories.
In my experience i've always been the one screwing the companies over. They would train me up, promote me and then i would jump ship to a new company for a lot higher pay and continue this same cycle. LOL i guess i got lucky.
Good.
Yeah that's the only way of doing it, I wasted far too much of my life upskilling myself and waiting for the company I was loyal to recognise me and promote me (and never bothering - because why would they pay a guy more for doing a job he is already doing?).
A few years ago I said fuck that and switched to being brutal, now I use companies to place a feather in my cap then piss off to the next one.
There used to be a saying amongst executives that you should only stay in one company for four years as beyond that you'll have exhausted any useful experience you could gain from it; Tech is even more cut throat, you'll get only about a year out of company before it's time to jump ship.
That's the intelligent way to do it. Look for a new job while you still have a job 😂
And don't feel sorry or guilty for them. They'd never be sorry for firing your ass even if you were in dire need. It's business, nothing personal. And quit that "we are a family" nonsense
Guys a business is not a person. It's organization that is there to b definition make money. Don't feel anything for them (sorry, guilt but also anger). Y'all sound like some bitter ex. A business buys your time nothing more. They are not your friend not your enemy. They need you you need them. If they don't need you well bye bye. But when they don't provide for you of course you should go.
Guy with 15 Years of Dev-Experience here (8 professional & 7 Education)
Josh share your opinion and I think you are not salty or mad .. I think you are telling the truth.
Republicans think you are a communist.
LOL!
@@vendicarkahn4860 ???
Thank you for dropping some knowledge on what it's really like out there in the corporate world. I'm 30 and starting my a career as a Software Engineer, and your videos really help me get a better understanding of what to expect!
Same
My last job was at a startup. I have tattoos. When I started I stayed late and worked hard to learn their system. But behind my back, the 31-year-old CTO referred to me as " the criminal" when talking to his team. I heard it on an office drinking night. Everyone laughed. I was deflated.
When I resigned, the CEO (30-year-old) wanted to talk to me to change my mind. He said it was just a "joke", "It's like how when they refer to El Salvadorians as Mexicans" - Ceo.
It's so strange because they look human and act human but strangely aren't.
They should call it Corrupt-porations.
That sounds like discrimination and was probably illegal. Too bad you'd probably waste thousands in court just to have them win anyway. Sorry this happened to you. You deserve better.
In the past only criminals had tatoos. Noone who wanted serious job didnt have tatoos. Tatoos were not allowed in jobs. You did this to yourself. Dont blame him.
@@SciMoTeAr It's 2024. And yet you are still the epitome of a bigotted moron.
@@SciMoTeAr Some of us strive for an equitable workplace where people are judged by their words and actions rather than superficialities. Attitudes like this and the people who espouse them are to blame for the persistence of our toxic and discriminatory workplace cultures. I.e I blame people like you.
Besides, a smart startup would welcome someone who shows you who they are up front over some lily white asshole who on the inside is a privileged, bigoted piece of shit who will inevitably be unable to read the room, run their mouth, drive off quality employees, and become a liability for the company.
@@SciMoTeArtrue but he has a point. What is the CTO doing negatively talking about his subordinates behind their backs to others on his team? That's not professional at all, if you have valid criticism for a subordinate as a CTO or any management for that reason it needs to be said behind closed doors face to face.
That's trashy culture plain and simple. I'd leave too, any business that operates on principles like that deserves to go out of business.
You are inspiration to me. I am just starting my career in web development and this vlog will be in my favorites for rest of my life. Thank you Josh 👍🏻🙏🏻
Smit Patel hi Smit, Are you PHP Eng? I’m working on some API as a Service. Would u like to work w/me & build this business? Im serious. I’m a 15 yrs experience SE.
For the horde tho
I'm a bad situation at the moment, an even though I'm not working as a developer or anything like that, you inspire me to get out of the mess. You really do.
all the best to you in your situation.. it always gets better and i promise its not a cliche.. you got this!
@@harunthuo2610 Thank you so much.
You’re missing the point
I worked with a guy who told h.r. that he didn't like the difference in the terms "resignation" and "termination." rather than "resigning" he told them he would "terminate them as his employer." he told them they were fired from being his employer lmao 🤣
lol
What a rockstar
uno reverse
YJM YJM In the Philippines, you cannot terminate a regular employee, the company can get sued for illegal termination. They would talk to you and force to resign or the worst will make your life hell until you can't take anymore and you will resign.
The only thing missing is, "I'll be back! You are Terminated!"
I understand why you won't work for a corporation. I only worked for small, family owned business until age 23, and then I've been a business owner ever since.