💥 playwt.link/thefrosty1 - Download War Thunder for FREE and get your bonuses! #ad "Battlefield 1 is definitely rooted in history. There's no alternate mix of anything else. All the stuff you see is equipment that was available. All the vehicles you see were available at this time." - A direct quote from Daniel Berlin, Dices lead game designer. *PLEASE NOTE:* As mentioned at 56:55, These videos are entirely just for Educational and Entertainment purposes. We completely understand the limitations of video games but put them aside to use the games content as a tool to educate in a unique and intriguing fashion in addition to perhaps providing the research groundwork for the creation of remasters or historical rework mods like we have done in the past. We do not have anything against the otherwise fantastic developers, gameplay, atmosphere and story of this game. Also note: The subtitle captions are currently only done up as far as the start of "The Runner", I am aware of this and am currently working to finish the rest ASAP. _____ Corrections _____ 00:02:32: These pouches were actually not made for the MAS 36 at the moment of its adoption in the french army in 1936 as stated in the video. They are actually Cartouchières Modèle 1945. These were issued when the MAS 36 was still in use in Indochina and North Africa with the MAS 49 and later MAS 49/56, which makes them about 30 years off for the WW1 setting, even more anachronistic than originally stated. 00:06:29: The picture shown here is actually that of a M1907-15 M16, a post war 5 round capacity modification of the rifle. It should have been a picture of a WW1 era M1907-15 with the original 3 round flush fit magazine. 01:19:52: The picture shown on screen here is of a U.S. Bayonet M1917, not the M1903. The bayonet in the game is still the US 1903 bayonet, but the handle matches closer to the British P07, and it's solid wood instead of having a metal cap at the bottom, So it's actually not even correct in its own right. _____ Additional Innacuracies _____ 01:51:36: The Ottamans should also be armed with the C96 pistol. This video was a massive collaborative effort with much of the critical research sourced from our team including including Jay, Karabiny, Davidson, FeReise, K-Nyne, pollock_madlad, Shenn, Munancho Inc, AdriaNsteam, and the other members of our TH-cam and discord community, along with several other sources. Massive thanks to everyone involved and to you for watching! Big appreciation to the channel members/patreons. I would like to thank each of you here and in the description for your support, you are as follows: - Nikko Falcon - Dawidbo5 - 501st CloneBoi - tcp - DefaveriS - General Knox - mushroo - Al'berto - The Soup Bin - yahm Heim - Grand Moff Clubby If you have any questions, corrections, or extra inaccuracies then please let us know in the comments. And yes, the inaccuracy counter sound was changed because the M1 Garand ping would be anachronistic for WW1.
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Hide the Frosty one thank you very much for the battlefield 1 video I've been requesting that for you see if it's okay and finally you did also this morning I was watching some TH-camr talk about Battlefield 1 history stuff if they're going to rain or wrong and they were some of it kind of different summary of source you say on this video I want to ask you can you Jarvis reveal some of those TH-camr if they get history right or wrong please one more thing I want to ask you when this is a request can you play the game called Men of War Assault Squad 2 please for your next video see if they get a historically right or wrong it will be a really cool please reply when you have a chance to and I want to tell you you're awesome man😎👍
Its crazy how dice completely ignores history in what everyone sees (uniforms, weapons, gear, etc.) and then goes and adds historicly accurate cigarette box in the trenches
Ikr, if I had to guess there are 2 theories: 1) they might have had different smaller groups working on different assets (guns, character models, environments). And as such some teams might have been more diligent about remaining historically accurate while others not so much. 2) Upper management mightve had a hand in it and chose to have their teams develop the historically inaccurate assets for whatever reason (maybe they thought they looked “cooler”)
you can't make a battlefield game that is authentic to history. Its a video game. An authentic WW1 game would have 99% of the game being sitting in a trench and trying not to be seen by snipers with 1% if it being going over the top and getting killed instantly. Battlefield 1 has its own art direction and style which while not historically accurate feels authentic. Its sort of alternate history WW1 where the tastes of the war is still there but the soldiers look far cooler than what they did IRL and they have far cooler toys than what they had IRL. IE: every soldier has a bolt action except for two people in the team who get a pistol and a machine gun, actually scratch the latter because portable machine guns were super rare and they all demanded entire teams of people to operate.
They actually had historically accurate uniform (its used for the Campaign). And you can mod this back in the MP. The reason why the MP uniform looks so different is just so you can easily identify someone's class
I just wish the uniforms weren’t butchered in campaign. I absolutely loved BF1’s campaign and still play it to this day despite the inaccuracies, but I do find it comedic how many things are off when you take off your fun glasses and put on your nitpicky one. Still, making games is hard and I guess people just didn’t wanna make unique uniforms, gear, armaments, tanks etc. to be accurate esp for a Battlefield game - which is understandable albeit makes looking closely at character models a bit cringe.
@@JackRogers-x9e This isn't a good argument imo. Authentic and accurate are different. Accurate would mean portraying the war in a way that would be true to reality, including the methods used to fight it, and the events that are shown. Historical video games should generally aim to be authentic, meaning have a veneer of truth, plausibility, looking the part, having the right atmosphere, and seeming correct even if they aren't. That's how they can balance history with fun. No game can be truly accurate, but they can be authentic by having correct weapons, uniforms, real locations and events being portrayed, etc etc. BF1 isn't accurate, and on a nitty gritty level it makes a lot of errors regarding authenticity as well (Weapons and uniforms/equipment which are normally based on real things from the period but altered or used incorrectly) but the presentation itself, the atmosphere, the way the war is portrayed screams WWI on every level which is why it's so close to so many people's hearts in general, and does a better job than BFV, which failed in every regard which had terrible uniforms, some pretty bad weapons, and an awful disregard to the real stories it was claiming to portray. BF1 never once tries to write people out of their own stories like V did.
Battlefield 1 is the perfect example that, although your " writing"and "Historical accuracy" when referring to "real life events" are not the most accurate and some are even wrong. You can offset all these aspects with a brilliant use of the atmosphere. thus capturing the most characteristic and recognizable aspects of what the fear and epicness of a war refers to.
@@CyanJay Exactly. Battlefield 1 takes a lot of liberties with its historical accuracy, yet it still manages to appropriate to the period thanks to its amazing production design and atmosphere. This is something BFV and Vanguard failed to understand when making their games, because they obviously had other reasons for getting things wrong for their own personal gain.
@@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r I remember hearing somewhere that while Battlefield 1 is not historically accurate, it is historically "authentic". While it does make some minor technical mistakes, most of the more egregious ones were made for the sake of the gameplay. Sure, submachine guns may not have been nearly as prevalent in the war as the game portrays, but the game needed to add variance that not only makes the gameplay more interesting, but also allows someone with only a passing interest in history to look at this and go, "Yup, this looks like WW1." I also think it helps that WW1 is a conflict with much less weapon diversity than WW2. Because of that, sticking things like experimental Austro-Hungarian submachine guns in Gallipoli is easily more understandable than, say, sticking an STG 44 on a Japanese-occupied island in the Pacific.
@@McNab198699% of soldiers sat in reserve trenches doing fuck all lmao. More people have died in BF1 in the game than they did IRL. “It feels like” WW1 because of the gas, and the uniforms, and the steam-punk turn-of-the-century aesthetic, not because its what a soldier actually experienced.
Battlefield 1 is the least historically accurate WW1 game ever but i still love it so much. So happy people are still making videos dissecting this game in the year of our lord 2024
I guess in regards of the playerbase, gameplay-wise, and attracting new players 🤔 they had to. as someone not a history buff and played the game I'm aware of anachronistic weapons, but I'm sure BF1 adds to my portrayals of media when it comes to WW1 🤔 this is an eye opener.
@@R3TR0J4None could also say that it was a nice change of pace, as BF1 came out during a time when practically every major game company was doing a sci-fi themed shooter, most notably Call of Duty's Infinite Warfare.
Even though it took a ton of liberties, this was the peak of battlefield, and DICE has failed to make a game as good since. I still play BF1 to this day
@@queuedjar4578 I was gonna mention that Battlefield 2 was one of the high peaks. I wish they took and evolved its Commander system like 4 did.. Im sure I could go to one of the assets in 2 and destroy it and then the commander couldnt use it like the satellite. I just like that military hierarchy thing that isnt compulsory to do but like it motivates you to engage with it because it gives you rewards like in score and whatever the commander helps you with. Its a nice way to engage with the game other than just shooting people and taking general objectives
The only things I can say bf1 did wrong were the gunplay and the terrain. Random inaccuracy feels really bad, and getting caught in mantling loops or sliding down lightly sloped ground is irritating as hell.
3:39 My Great uncle Henry Woodmore (1898- 1965) was in that unit. I’m proud to have a French flag in my room because some his sons would go on to fight in France during WW2 and the others in the pacific.
My friend's August Caccavone and Eugene Iconetti's father's were both in WW1, I have an image of Gene with his father and brother Nick in the 1946 Ridgefield NJ parade
Battlefield used to know that as unrealistic and as inaccurate as you could be, if you nailed how authentic the game can look and feel, people will love the game for years
I noticed many irregularities in the depiction of the Ottoman army on my first playthrough. I was shocked by how organized and well armed the soldiers were when in fact the Ottoman army didn't even have half of the stuff depicted there. They fought with what the Germans were able to donate and with what the local factories had produced which wasn't a lot since, as mentioned in the video, the Ottoman empire wasn't industrialized or had standards in manufacturing. Also the Ottoman army did use captured and as well as outdated equipment from different fronts they were engaged in. Also you would see variations in uniforms as well since Ottoman supply lines are a disaster, especially when it comes to the Caucasus front, Mesopotamia front, the Sinai and Hijaz front. Still for being that ill equipped for the first modern war in human history the Ottomans fought through valiantly. In Türkiye we say, "Almanya yenilince bizde yenilmiş sayıldık". (When Germany was defeated, we were defeated.)
Ya their depiction was very off in game, you will be glad to see that we do address pretty much all the points you mention in your comment when covering "The runner" story.
As an Aussie who has had gallipoli crammed down their throat since birth its very apparent the gallipoli campaign depicted in bf1 is almost entirely incorrect. I sure don't know why they put us at Cape Helles when we were busy at Anzac Beach, and the uniform is entirely wrong etc. Not taking orders from British officers for the first time is a key point about that campaign for us. We really did get dramatically screwed by the brits but not remotely like how they display it. It just seems disrespectful to everyone involved. I'm glad they did depict Gallipoli because of how the it would eventually be highly relevant to the ww2 normandy beach landings, but they seem to think it's Omaha beach from D-Day followed by the Dunkirk evacuation. Honestly everyone praises the atmosphere of this game but it seems to almost entirely be based on WW2, which makes sense for a vehicle + infantry combat game but not WW1.
@@Quills64 Gallipoli has been taught to us since it was the nation's biggest life or death situation. But Battlefield 1's depiction of the Ottomans came a bit disrespectful to me since they depict them as a well armed force with the latest when in fact it was one of the most unorganized armies in the first world war. The Ottomans also proved one point though that to win a war it needs more than a large quantity of men, weapons and the most modern weapons of that time, that being Courage. But like a wrote, it is astonishing how the Ottomans could even fight in a war like WW1 and win or hold out attacks like that.
1:00:00 I think i read somewhere once that some of the Red Baron's squadmates would also paint their planes with the same red color scheme, in order to prevent the real Richtofen from receiving focused enemy fire. But even then, that would be like a dozen, at most, not hundreds of Red Barons, as shown in game.
In the other hand, his squadron was known as the "Flying Circus" because they were all so brightly (and differently) colored. There should definitely be some variance
11:36 It looks like how fire fighters use their hoses. I guess in this instance they are also firefighters, but instead of fighting fire, they use fire to fight.
2:32 As a french collector myself I can tell that these pouches are actually not made for the MAS 36 at the moment of its adoption in the french army in 1936. They are actually Cartouchières Modèle 1945. These were issued when the MAS 36 was still in use but saw Indochina and North Africa combats until the early 1980's with the MAS 49 and later MAS 49/56, which makes them about 30 years off.
@@TheFrosty_1 Oh wow I have not expected a reply from you haha ! Glad to know I was useful ! :). I take the opportunity to tell you that your work is awesome, hope it will get even more visibility in the future !
Funny If German is the one who take a blame for using Gas.. While French doing it first and American turns blind eye to them. Edit: It's French not British.. Lol
@@ChandraGunawan-p8w If I remember correctly it was the French who first used chemical warfare by shelling German positions with tear gas, but it was the Germans who escalated it to more deadly compounds.
Absolutely love how he mentions Germany saying shotguns violate the Hague Conventions while also showing German soldiers using flamethrowers lol. Another great video! Didn't know there was this many inaccuracies in this game, but still had gun with this game... then Battlefield 5 was born
Personally i just want to see a single game cover the korean war, all we ever had was mig alley (flight sim... FROM BEFORE 2000) Imagine seeing the goofy immediate post war stuff mixed with equipment from all of ww2
Oh yeah its VERY historically inacurate, but it captures the atmosphere of ww1 really nicly. The reason its so historically inacurate is beacuse its really hard to make a battlefield game set in ww1 while using only historically acturate stuff. it would be all bolt action rifles and a tank every 100 matches
I remember mentioning the blatant historical inaccuracies when this game came out. I may have accused Dice of doing zero research. I got totally shat on by other people defending this masterpiece. I feel kinda validated now
@@535phobos They actually did a fair amount of research all things considered. As far as multiplayer is concerned, the blatant inaccuracies are there because this is a game marketed towards general audiences and the average person does not want to play a realistic WW1 game. The campaign though... that's a little harder to defend lmao
@sheevinit1490 It always felt like research on the level of those history TV docus or the magazines you can buy on train stations. Good enough to pass as WW1 on the first glance, might even give you a good impression, but if you have ever read a book on that matter it all falls apart very quickly.
I had an argument in the comment section in the Battlefield 5 video with a guy saying that there wouldnt be enough historical innacuracies to make a video on bf1, and here we are today with a 2 hour video with just that
99.9999% of this video is bitching about pouches and pockets and buttons. Its not nearly as bad as women making up 60% of the fighting force wielding guns with red dots.
@@JackRogers-x9e ah yes all those inaccuracies on the MkV, the ottomans depiction, incorrect aircraft, misuse of armored trains, it’s all about buttons guys.
Adding to 2:00:04, some Ottoman stahlhems had holes next to ears to make hearing easier. And germans incorrectly thought that these holes were for praying, because during a part of the pray you put your hands next to your ears.
Despite Battlefield 1’s varying levels of inaccuracy, much of it was, quite expertly I’d say, masked by the beautiful and grim atmosphere that the game had to offer. Really no other Battlefield game gave me this “grandiose” and almost “fantastical” feeling as compared to say BFV, where the same thing was tried yet fell flat (very flat). Despite its faults, BF1 will always have a place in my heart for introducing me to so many unknown aspects of the First World War, through its usage of Codex entries or the rare weapons and equipment depicted, and garnering even more respect and appreciation for the lives lost over 100 years ago. (Also, that kill marker sound was so satisfying to hear every time - Total eargasm)
Hello everyone, I'm Jay. I helped work on this video, mostly by providing information regarding uniforms and gear, but other things as well here and there. Overall proud to have been part of the team, and I'm very happy with the result! I will say there were actually some corrections that I offered regarding certain uniforms and gear that are pointed out in the video, but they were cut down for time I'm assuming which is a shame but I'm still glad all the errors were pointed out at least! That being said I'm going to give my two-cents regarding this game. I love Battlefield 1 in-spite of all its flaws. It is not an accurate game, but it is a highly immersive one and, imo, it's one that tried to honour the real history and pay its respects, even if it did it clumsily. There's a difference between authenticity and accuracy. If BF1 were trying to be accurate, it would have tried to replicate the real events 1:1, including the methods of war at the time, which wouldn't translate well to a video-game. Video games like this should be aiming for authenticity, i.e looking the part, feeling the part, immersing you into the history, the setting, by having the correct aesthetics, etc. This can be achieved by making things represent reality in areas that don't necessarily pertain to gameplay, things like uniforms, gear, representing particular real-world environments in immersive ways, etc. It also includes creating a weapon and vehicle roster that are believable for the time, even if exaggerated (Which I think the game mostly achieves, with some horrible exceptions like the limpet mines and things like that.) Overall I think that BF1 is decently authentic, at least when it comes to immersion. On a nitty-gritty level, it has a lot of problems, including the particulars of environmental settings, the portrayal of uniforms and gear, vehicles and things like that, but people tend to overlook these because at a first glance you can't tell. At a first glance it looks and feels like WWI, which is what matters most generally speaking. As the uniforms were my area of expertise we'll use them as an example for the broader point. Dice did a pretty poor job with some of the factions, the Austro-Hungarians, Americans, and Ottomans in particular, and also had some stupid errors on other ones as well that are mentioned in the video. As we mention, these were likely done due to time restraints but it's still a shame. For the most part, the gear and uniforms we see are somewhat period appropriate, just that they appear in places that make no sense for them to do so (Such as German uniforms on the Austro-Hungarians). Obviously there are some bigger issues, like WWII y-straps and other equipment, but overall I think the character models in general still immerse you, and are infinitely better than the dogshit designs from BFV which are astoundingly awful (Including modern day plate carriers, jackets from the Vietnam war, not a single correct Desert uniform for the Brits, etc etc). Obviously I would prefer for Dice to have been more correct when it comes to all of these nitty gritty issues, but overall I still think they did a decent job, a much better job than they did for BFV, and made a product that resonated with people and sparked an interest in a generally unexplored setting, as it did for me! If it wasn't for this game, I wouldn't be the nerd for WWI that I am today, so in-spite its flaws I'm grateful for that. Also obviously still good to point out all the issues so that people can learn from them as well, which I hope the video achieves for all of you :) Cheers!
That's pretty much how I feel about BF1, too. Great job with your research, by the way! Must be a lot of fun to team up with people and research wars for videos like this. It really helps put a spotlight on aspects of war that most of us would otherwise never be exposed to. Every little thing matters to the broader effort- even little things like pouches, belts, and straps.
@@_Bungus For sure, I had tons of fun working on it! Lots of it was stuff I already did a year or two ago and had saved in a document which was handy haha, but there was new stuff too. I made a few mistakes here and there of course, but overall I'm very happy and proud of the result, cheers!
I have never seen a good-faith, coherent argument made against these videos. Ever. It's literally always a strawman, either-or fallacy, ad hominem, or just a complete misunderstanding of realism as an element in art.
Reminds me of people who watch movie reviews and than shit on a person who made this, because how people dare to have an opinion if they never made their own film.
I'm a historian, and I enjoy this game like nothing else in the world. Its historical inaccuracies or exaggerations are totally overshadowed by the quality of setting, gameplay, and technology in this game.
14:32 "The Imperial German Army had only build 20 tanks, while the British build over 2,000 and the French around 4,000." - Wow! These are enormous numbers!
Fun Fact: In germany we call something to be ''0815'' when we refer to it beeing cheap, basic or unoriginally: This is because of the MG0815, becuase it was the first heavy mass produced gun that wasnt produced in one factory, rather all the parts were manufactured by different companys and it would be assambled in another. Also The ''DIN'' Deutsches Institut für Normung (German institute for Norms) also produced the first ever DIN wich is the norm, that describes how the firering pin is supposed to be Tolerated.
BF1 is meant to get an anti-cheat update sometime this month so I'm afraid to see if historical rework mods get slashed. A lot of the character models in those mods don't even hurt the game's class identification and look more like if Dice didn't rush the character models and repasted assets everywhere, they're pretty fantastic.
People gave this game waaaayyy too much leeway when it came out because it was the first triple-A game to depict WWI. And then a few years later everyone wondered why BF5 was such an insulting depiction of WWII. Well, they already gave DICE an inch, so they took the mile.
This is why I like to play the game with the 1918 Multiplayer Mod which corrects all the inaccuracies with the game while also preserving the diversity angle, like keeping the Indian soldier for the British team or adding in a proper Harlem Hellfighter for the American team.
@@realmanjamalAs mentioned in the video, that battleship was yet another Iron Duke reused asset, even though no iron Duke class ships were destroyed in the Suez Canal
This game made me fall in love with WWI history and made me actively go out of my way to read and learn as an 8th grader who hated everything about school. Definitely deserves credit for that. Amazing game. I loved when they added the “realistic” game modes where they gave you the service rifle of the army your playing as and that was about it 😂
Same, My friend's August Caccavone and Eugene Iconetti's father's were in WW1 with the Army, August was in the 7th Army in Europe and Gene was with the 4th Marine Division 24th Marines as a combat engineer on Saipan and saw the flag raising on Surabachi
Me before watching this video: Wow battlefield 1 is a great game with a great atmosphere Me after watching this video: Wow battlefield 1 is still a great game with great atmosphere, but my god the devs were lazy
It wasn't until working out of Arras on two Canadian First World War battlefield sites last year that I realized just how deeply innaccurate Battlefield I is. While I do still love the game as a game, I sincerely appreciate the incredibly detailed breakdown and the level of research and work that went into this. I do hope that if games do continue to revisit the war in the future, they give it its due with far more overall respect for historical accuracy.
While the Mark V tank's marking and the game itself says Black Bess, the officer refers to it as "Big Bess." I seems like there was some confusion during development if they were going to make the tank Black Bess or just base it off of it.
I’m surprised no one is talking about how fast the Mark V is going, as its top speed was 5 MPH. It seems to be going much faster but I can see this being put in by devs to enhance gameplay.
I did note this but decided not to include it as it was very likely a gameplay choice as you have said. Players would get very impatient if they were trudging along at 5 mph so that's fair enough I suppose
0:24 I understand because the incorrect timeline of a song becomes a sin. But seriously it is understandable that this scene not only was in post-war, but it also has the darkest meaning. They don't show the guy's limbs or any body except his head. He's probably having the most serious PTSD from that war. If they used a pre-war song, would the players understand what time/year this scene is at? There's no calendar on the scene or anything/anyone to mention either, how do we know this is post-war by just looking at a guy handsome and normal face?
2:40 At least the Lebel 1886 would be added when the French became a playable nation in the very first DLC They Shall Not Pass. The DLC also added other French weapons including the RSC 1917 self-loading rifle and the Chauchat machine gun.
FrostyOne, you should really consider redoing your video covering Call of Duty Vanguard. It's only ~30 minutes long, and I think you could get some more mileage out of it.
24:43 The interior temperature of a tank during World War 1 could reach up to 120 degrees Fahrenheit or higher. The crew would have to work in this hot and cramped environment, which could be very uncomfortable and tiring. The heat was a major problem for the crew, as it could cause dehydration, heat exhaustion, and other heat-related illnesses. It also makes no sense why the crew in the tank are wearing coats in a tank that can get extremely hot inside and by this time. There were no air conditioning in tanks yet and they also had to breathe in the exhausted dirt that got inside the tank because of the poor ventilation.
Wonderful video. I will make one slight correction however. At 6:30 the picture shown is the M1907-15 M16. This is actually anachronistic as the M1907-15 has only a three-round, flush fit magazine, whereas the picture shown clearly shows an extended five-round magazine taken from the M16 carbine. This modification was done post-war as the three-round capacity was considered insufficient. Source: Chassepot to FA-MAS: French Rifles 1866-2016 by Ian McCollum
I just want to point out that CoD got so lazy recently that MW3 (the recent one) and thus Warzone got the same kill marker sound effect that's iconic to the BF franchise (just quieter). Can't talk about the new game because I don't play CoD anymore. Got bored of the meta virgins, sniper campers and cheaters and I played only Warzone. The OG and the new one. If I had to choose again I'd choose BF now as my favourite FPS
3. Missions in the campaign are vague enough to not be blatant adaptations of extremely well documented historical events, as well as not being a blatant rewriting of said historical events *cough* Operation Gunnerside in BF5 *cough* 4. The devs didn't make a stink over being historically accurate after being called out for being historically inaccurate. 5. The first trailers showed what looked like WWI but in the average multiplayer match kind of intensity, not some fanfiction self-insert WWI female cripple soldier in bright war paint that even someone unaware of history in detail would find out of place or assume the game's supposed to be an alternate universe of some kind. Same as WaW the reason they got away with it is because they made it historically authentic, even if not historically accurate.
@@Flare-s3c They also got away with it by selling a shitton of copies regardless of all the drama. Turns out 95% of consumers don't really care about who really blew up the German heavy water plant, they just want fun game where they shoot the bad guys
I recall dice giving a throw away excuse of it being “alternative history” around its reveal so I guess they didn’t have to be so rigid with historical representation
@@ChubbsterBrown Anything better than outright saying "We believe we are on the right side of history" while replacing an entire squad of norwegian commandos that didn't fire a shot to finish the mission with a teenage girl capable of surviving severe hypothermia, overpowering a grown adult while under the effects of said hypothermia, and shooting up the factory to finish the mission. I'm actually curious if there's been a worse case of history rewriting in the series.
@TheFrosty_1 exactly, I understand that there was a lot of cool and unique firearms then, but I wish they would have kept those for the multiplayer and left the single player more accurate. BF1 is a straight up immersion killer for me. Even to this day I still stick with Verdun, Tanneburg and Isonzo for that "accuracy fix" lol
The pictures we see of Black Bess IRL only show the 1 side, for all we know it could've been one of the rare Hermaphrodite tanks. (But it's unknown if any Mk IVs were converted to the composite Hermaphrodite versions) And because of this we didn't mention it.
@@ChubbsterBrown Yeah, we have a big team of researchers who helped find the information for the video, granted a few things were missed. Like we discovered after the video was published we missed a detail on the caterpillar tracks, the shovel looking grousers would not be used by Mk Vs for example.
@@TheFrosty_1True. I also find it strange none of the Austro-Hungarian forces speak Hungarian. Surely if they would go through the trouble of finding a different woman to voice the White Army scout in every language, then they could find one male Hungarian speaker.
@BitcrushedMozart Indeed, as addresses in the video too, they simply reused the German voice lines pretty much for the Austro-Hungarians, despite the accent being a Munich one, not even Austrian
I was waiting for this video for so long Thank you frosty1 for reviewing the history of my favorite battlefield game and possibly the best in the franchise ever
Despite glaring inaccuracies, this game has given me a newfound intrigue and respect for the real history of WW1. On top of that, it is a very well made game with an unmatched atmosphere and sense of scale, destruction, dourness, hopelessness, and death. Not to mention its amazing soundtrack which is just the beautiful cherry on top, look me in the eyes and tell me you listend to "lacrimosa" without crying like a bitch, that song conveys the pain of war very well. 10/10 game no question, might even boot it back up and see if the servers are still kickin.
In "Through mud and bood" in the cutscene where the tank crew gets saved by the artillery strike, the tank somehow manges to flawlessly get out of the steep and muddy hole.
They had a Hellriegel but they could not add a single freaking swing-out cylinder , Double Action Revolver of the many issued in the war . This game feels incomplete .
1:44:51 Quick fact about these codex entries! Most of them were written with the help of Indy Neidell, a Swedish historian who not only hosted a series on The Great War TH-cam channel and is also the host for the TimeGhost History channel as well, he's also worked with Sabaton, a power metal band who's most recent album was about the first world war, and who also did a series for them called Sabaton History, where Indy went over the facts and history behind certain Sabaton songs, including the song Saravejo, about the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, and Christmas Truce, about the 1914 ceasefire on Christmas Day. If you're more than interested in the first world war, or just want to listen to amazing power metal, or are just a history buff, go check all of these things out!
1:44:49 The codex entries were actually made by the team behing The Great War youtube channel. It's a channel that ran from 2014 to 2018, the great war 100 years later in real time. They just finished their ww2 project and started a Korean war one a month ago. Great stuff
You could save time and money by just not bothering with BF1 and instead go for Verdun/Tannenberg/Isonzo. THAT is the real WW1 experience that's currently available.
We had this in the script, but I forgot to add it in due to the deadline of release for this video. They do actually have 2 or 3 C96s in their crates in game, though they are the standard German war time commercial model and are seen attached with Maxim silencers.
Not to mention when you fire one of the main guns on the mark five tank you can't far the other one because apparently McManus is reloading both of them at the same time despite not firing the second one
Ya it was strange for sure, McManus was apparently running over and back reloading and fire both guns simultaneously. Idk how bro didn't collapse from exhaustion, especially while wearing that damn RFC aircraft jacket
BF1 is so historically inaccurate, me and my friends joked that it's basically an alternate steampunk WWI. And that simple joke inspired a big part of my WIP steampunk fantasy novel. So yeah, BF1 is so historically inaccurate, it partly inspired a steampunk war novel. Thanks, Dice!
@@dominiklehn2866 My setting is sort of between steampunk and dieselpunk. The tech itself is closer to dieselpunk, but the aesthetics are more steampunky, with lots of brass and very late 19th century cities. "Masks of Steel" on Royal Road if you're interested. ^^
As much as I like your reviews, you always seem to mention the things devs changed to make the game better, and not the same exact things in other games. Like how you brought up the benellis 3rd person gun model being half empty. I feel as if that was a bit of a stretch to consider it "historically" inaccurate. Along with saying stuff like "few in numbers" but you never consider some things actually being few in number inside of the game. But it's not a big deal so I think you did a great job, nothing invalidates the months of research and work you put in for our own entertainment 😁 stay frosty
In fairness, atleast it's possible to immerse yourself in BFV, good luck doing that in every cod after advanced warfare introduction of quirky skins lol
@@Aegis--- They are almost equally bad, bfv is slightly better but everytime I play the campaign half the weapons are anachronistic, in the wrong area, or have weird camos/ reflex sights
@@ontheglo.28 at this point I feel like you're reading far too much into it to actually enjoy it That being said, the intentional historical revisionism of the norway mission was fucking ridiculous
@@ontheglo.28 Yeah. I understand and agree with the argument that obsessing too much over historical accuracy in games just kneecaps a person's ability to enjoy basically any historical media, but there does need to be a balance. Anachronisms and inaccuracies are to be expected, but when the guns and player models don't even look like they belong in the setting half of the time, I think that's crossing a line. BFV's multiplayer is even worse in that regard.
Thank you so much for reading my comments. Keep up the good work and research. One of these days, these games will be remastered with historically accurate details. That would be amazing.
This game may not be fully historical accurate but BF1 did a very excellent job portraying World War I better than how BFV portrayed World War II very Inaccurately.
Debatable. I think a lot of that comes from people knowing less about WW1 than WW2 and thus being less disappointed in the game not fitting their image of that era, in contrast to the omnipresent WW2
@@LittleRamsies I agree with 535phobos, WW2 is significantly more studied and popular than WW1. More WW2 games were made so we're all used to that. They went out of their way to be inaccurate with BF1, they don't have many excuses for that game.
@@Prizrak131 yep WW2 always get the attention more than WW1 despite being the largest armed conflict in human history so many books, schools, movies, and especially games always focuses on the Second World War than the First World War no franchise has gone back to WW1 not even COD cause COD always does WW2 over and over all again so battlefield was the first biggest franchise to players black to WW1 the drawn of modern combat and trench warfare. Battlefield 1 is a Masterpiece it always will be
For what its worth for the inaccuracies of BF1 and for the little historical coverage the Great War had Dice took a lot of creative liberties for the campaign and in the words of one of the devs "We took what WW1 could be, what WW1could look like."
Yeah but some things are just lazy like Americans having British uniforms. By the logic of "what it could be", I can understand some small things like French soldiers using the MAS 36s or having some parts of their uniform equipment be from WW2, but can you really excuse them not bothering to give an entire nation their own uniforms or having placeholder weapons still in the game (two examples he lists early on)
Seems like they were utterly contradicting themselves because as stated by the lead game designer of DICE, Daniel Berlin: "Battlefield 1 is definitely rooted in history. There's no alternate mix of anything else. All the stuff you see is equipment that was available. All the vehicles you see were available at this time. Read more: www.tweaktown.com/news/52048/battlefield-1-rooted-history-based-alternate-ww1-timeline/index.html
1:56:50 Almost a hundred thousand (100,000) sources say from around 50k (50,000) to 86k (86,000). If we go with the 86k marker from the source this sentence technically shouldn't be counted as inaccurate since it used 'almost' which is close to but not exactly 100k
You have a solid point but I'd still say that the game was rounded the number up too high. If they said just under 90,000 or so then it would be OK, but 100k is a bit off still
bf1 is the perfect example of how a game doesn't need to be completely historically accurate in order to be a great value product as long as it portrays the feeling, the atmosphere, the main aspects of a certain period. all the things that we saw in ww1 are in the game, some are wrong, but they existed and this is what matters, adapting an era for making it playable but still making people know what is about.. great job dice! and great job frosty for making this video a pure information point for who loves this game and wants to know more about history!
Why on earth did they decide to focus on putting all the weird experimental out of place weapons in first then? Why put them in the single player campaign so much? Why not go back and add the new appropriate ones into the campaign? These devs just has very little care it seems in this regard
@@TheFrosty_1 As an example, the absence of french guns in the story was because the French weren't added until the first dlc. As you said, a lot of the story problems were fixed in the multiplayer.
55:57 The German soldier has a sentry kit and is also wielding an MP18 with the Sappenpanzer armor of the sentry kit, both of which were sometimes used together by some German stormtroopers so it's somewhat accurate. However, the sentry kit also includes a German sniper face shield and the sentry arm armor which seems to be based on the arm armor of an experimental U.S. armor set.
3:59 Change white British and American into French soldiers - No can do sir. We kinda don't have any French character and guns assets/models available because we planned to release French as a Expansion/DLC later. YES, WE RELEASED WW1 GAME THAT PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING IN FRANCE WITHOUT THE FRENCH IN THE GAME. 🤯
There are French speaking soldiers wearing french uniforms in the intro cutscene as we show and discuss, so I have no idea what happened. Did they make the cutscene beforehand and then realise after that they didn't have enough time to put the French models in the actual gameplay? It all seems rushed and all over the place.
Always made me laugh when people acted like BF1 was some authentic masterpiece. While I think the visuals, sounds and maps were great the characters, uniforms and weapons were done from a place of people wanting to be edgy and alternative rather than historical. It felt like a war set in the 1920s. Experimental weapons completely killed the vibe for me as being killed by SMGs felt like any other FPS game. The signs of BF5 being the complete mess it was were very much there with BF1, it's where their determination to force in gender/race diversity began.
I was surprised to see this much inaccuracies. I still love the game though. The only thing I absolutely hate about BF1 is that it depicts central powers (and Germany in particular) as evil. The truth is, unlike WW2, there were no good or bad sides in WW1, all sides were equally evil and the whole conflict was pointless.
I'm very happy that the A7V in this game is threatening as hell when it's not stuck in a crater, but I'm disappointed that when it breaks down it doesn't have a huge swarm of germans coming out of it like a clown car.
That had what, like 16 man crews or something big like that, right? With the cool terrain deformation of this game it would have been hilarious to be able to use explosions to capsize them into craters.
@@Immafraid with the average battlefield player that hardly plays the objective in conquest I’m sure that’d be a real laugh. Would look like a drunk cat.
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"Battlefield 1 is definitely rooted in history. There's no alternate mix of anything else. All the stuff you see is equipment that was available. All the vehicles you see were available at this time."
- A direct quote from Daniel Berlin, Dices lead game designer.
*PLEASE NOTE:* As mentioned at 56:55, These videos are entirely just for Educational and Entertainment purposes. We completely understand the limitations of video games but put them aside to use the games content as a tool to educate in a unique and intriguing fashion in addition to perhaps providing the research groundwork for the creation of remasters or historical rework mods like we have done in the past. We do not have anything against the otherwise fantastic developers, gameplay, atmosphere and story of this game.
Also note: The subtitle captions are currently only done up as far as the start of "The Runner", I am aware of this and am currently working to finish the rest ASAP.
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00:02:32: These pouches were actually not made for the MAS 36 at the moment of its adoption in the french army in 1936 as stated in the video. They are actually Cartouchières Modèle 1945. These were issued when the MAS 36 was still in use in Indochina and North Africa with the MAS 49 and later MAS 49/56, which makes them about 30 years off for the WW1 setting, even more anachronistic than originally stated.
00:06:29: The picture shown here is actually that of a M1907-15 M16, a post war 5 round capacity modification of the rifle. It should have been a picture of a WW1 era M1907-15 with the original 3 round flush fit magazine.
01:19:52: The picture shown on screen here is of a U.S. Bayonet M1917, not the M1903. The bayonet in the game is still the US 1903 bayonet, but the handle matches closer to the British P07, and it's solid wood instead of having a metal cap at the bottom, So it's actually not even correct in its own right.
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01:51:36: The Ottamans should also be armed with the C96 pistol.
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Uh nothing is written in Saudi Arabia and the character is t Lawrence or Lawrence of Arabia
must feed the snail
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Bro you should try the modern army, i mean you can see the equipment of army in wiki etc😅
Hide the Frosty one thank you very much for the battlefield 1 video I've been requesting that for you see if it's okay and finally you did also this morning I was watching some TH-camr talk about Battlefield 1 history stuff if they're going to rain or wrong and they were some of it kind of different summary of source you say on this video I want to ask you can you Jarvis reveal some of those TH-camr if they get history right or wrong please one more thing I want to ask you when this is a request can you play the game called Men of War Assault Squad 2 please for your next video see if they get a historically right or wrong it will be a really cool please reply when you have a chance to and I want to tell you you're awesome man😎👍
Its crazy how dice completely ignores history in what everyone sees (uniforms, weapons, gear, etc.) and then goes and adds historicly accurate cigarette box in the trenches
Ikr, if I had to guess there are 2 theories:
1) they might have had different smaller groups working on different assets (guns, character models, environments). And as such some teams might have been more diligent about remaining historically accurate while others not so much.
2) Upper management mightve had a hand in it and chose to have their teams develop the historically inaccurate assets for whatever reason (maybe they thought they looked “cooler”)
you can't make a battlefield game that is authentic to history. Its a video game. An authentic WW1 game would have 99% of the game being sitting in a trench and trying not to be seen by snipers with 1% if it being going over the top and getting killed instantly. Battlefield 1 has its own art direction and style which while not historically accurate feels authentic. Its sort of alternate history WW1 where the tastes of the war is still there but the soldiers look far cooler than what they did IRL and they have far cooler toys than what they had IRL. IE: every soldier has a bolt action except for two people in the team who get a pistol and a machine gun, actually scratch the latter because portable machine guns were super rare and they all demanded entire teams of people to operate.
They actually had historically accurate uniform (its used for the Campaign). And you can mod this back in the MP.
The reason why the MP uniform looks so different is just so you can easily identify someone's class
I just wish the uniforms weren’t butchered in campaign. I absolutely loved BF1’s campaign and still play it to this day despite the inaccuracies, but I do find it comedic how many things are off when you take off your fun glasses and put on your nitpicky one.
Still, making games is hard and I guess people just didn’t wanna make unique uniforms, gear, armaments, tanks etc. to be accurate esp for a Battlefield game - which is understandable albeit makes looking closely at character models a bit cringe.
@@JackRogers-x9e This isn't a good argument imo.
Authentic and accurate are different. Accurate would mean portraying the war in a way that would be true to reality, including the methods used to fight it, and the events that are shown.
Historical video games should generally aim to be authentic, meaning have a veneer of truth, plausibility, looking the part, having the right atmosphere, and seeming correct even if they aren't. That's how they can balance history with fun.
No game can be truly accurate, but they can be authentic by having correct weapons, uniforms, real locations and events being portrayed, etc etc.
BF1 isn't accurate, and on a nitty gritty level it makes a lot of errors regarding authenticity as well (Weapons and uniforms/equipment which are normally based on real things from the period but altered or used incorrectly) but the presentation itself, the atmosphere, the way the war is portrayed screams WWI on every level which is why it's so close to so many people's hearts in general, and does a better job than BFV, which failed in every regard which had terrible uniforms, some pretty bad weapons, and an awful disregard to the real stories it was claiming to portray.
BF1 never once tries to write people out of their own stories like V did.
Battlefield 1 is the perfect example that, although your " writing"and "Historical accuracy" when referring to "real life events" are not the most accurate and some are even wrong.
You can offset all these aspects with a brilliant use of the atmosphere. thus capturing the most characteristic and recognizable aspects of what the fear and epicness of a war refers to.
@@CyanJay Exactly. Battlefield 1 takes a lot of liberties with its historical accuracy, yet it still manages to appropriate to the period thanks to its amazing production design and atmosphere. This is something BFV and Vanguard failed to understand when making their games, because they obviously had other reasons for getting things wrong for their own personal gain.
@@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r I remember hearing somewhere that while Battlefield 1 is not historically accurate, it is historically "authentic". While it does make some minor technical mistakes, most of the more egregious ones were made for the sake of the gameplay. Sure, submachine guns may not have been nearly as prevalent in the war as the game portrays, but the game needed to add variance that not only makes the gameplay more interesting, but also allows someone with only a passing interest in history to look at this and go, "Yup, this looks like WW1."
I also think it helps that WW1 is a conflict with much less weapon diversity than WW2. Because of that, sticking things like experimental Austro-Hungarian submachine guns in Gallipoli is easily more understandable than, say, sticking an STG 44 on a Japanese-occupied island in the Pacific.
Historical authenticity is not dictated by a monochromatic filter
Events and gameplay do
Ramboing a hmg eg
Except it did nothing to highlight the atmosphere of WW1 though, it's very far removed from the experience of most of the soldier who fought in it
@@McNab198699% of soldiers sat in reserve trenches doing fuck all lmao. More people have died in BF1 in the game than they did IRL. “It feels like” WW1 because of the gas, and the uniforms, and the steam-punk turn-of-the-century aesthetic, not because its what a soldier actually experienced.
Battlefield 1 is the least historically accurate WW1 game ever but i still love it so much. So happy people are still making videos dissecting this game in the year of our lord 2024
Are there many games to really compare it too? Besides some RTS and the verdun pvp ones, I’m not overly aware of ww1 games.
I guess in regards of the playerbase, gameplay-wise, and attracting new players 🤔 they had to. as someone not a history buff and played the game I'm aware of anachronistic weapons, but I'm sure BF1 adds to my portrayals of media when it comes to WW1 🤔 this is an eye opener.
@@R3TR0J4None could also say that it was a nice change of pace, as BF1 came out during a time when practically every major game company was doing a sci-fi themed shooter, most notably Call of Duty's Infinite Warfare.
You only like it because there aren't many WW1 games.
At least it's campaign was way more fun then BF5 one, the last tiger not included, that one was fire
Its amazing how with all the errors Battlefield 1 has, it still manages to capture the grittiness, and hard edged atmosphere of WW1 so perfectly.
Preach it
Battlefield 1 is the best battlefield
With the juggernaut suit in the Alps?
@@CancerGaming56 You get the Juggernaut taken away from you in the second part of the mission. So its not as bad as its made out to be.
BF1 multiplayer is hands down the best experience I’ve had. Especially the DLC’s. Passchendaele is my favorite map.
That opening scene captures it all
1:49:09 As a Turkish born in Istanbul even I don't speak turkish that clean.
What is he even saying lol ?
@@CountBeric Things like "you're dead" "surrender!"
@@CountBeric he's saying, Onu iyice sıkıştırın! "box him in!" (Trapping the bishop) And finally he said, Evet sen! "yes you!" Before the cut.
Even though it took a ton of liberties, this was the peak of battlefield, and DICE has failed to make a game as good since. I still play BF1 to this day
Dice has never topped Battlefield 2.
@@queuedjar4578 bro has never played bf1, bf4, bf3 and bad company 2 and it shows
@@queuedjar4578 I was gonna mention that Battlefield 2 was one of the high peaks. I wish they took and evolved its Commander system like 4 did.. Im sure I could go to one of the assets in 2 and destroy it and then the commander couldnt use it like the satellite. I just like that military hierarchy thing that isnt compulsory to do but like it motivates you to engage with it because it gives you rewards like in score and whatever the commander helps you with. Its a nice way to engage with the game other than just shooting people and taking general objectives
The only things I can say bf1 did wrong were the gunplay and the terrain. Random inaccuracy feels really bad, and getting caught in mantling loops or sliding down lightly sloped ground is irritating as hell.
@@johngaynor4363 the gunplay makes sense. back then some weapons were lucky to shoot after a few weeks of service, let alone high precision shooting
3:39 My Great uncle Henry Woodmore (1898- 1965) was in that unit. I’m proud to have a French flag in my room because some his sons would go on to fight in France during WW2 and the others in the pacific.
thats pretty cool, a family member of my own served in the dutch army during the German invasion of the Netherlands.
@@sdfhdbfn.dsfbnfgbsmfdVM Wow. Did they survive the invasion?
My friend's August Caccavone and Eugene Iconetti's father's were both in WW1, I have an image of Gene with his father and brother Nick in the 1946 Ridgefield NJ parade
Battlefield's addition of the Hellrigel pained the captions guy so much he just passed away...he didn't even make it to the half-point.
Indeed lol XD
I am still working on them, they take a good few hours to do cus TH-cams captions system can be very dodgy at times
@@TheFrosty_1great video,many of inaccurate stuff are from campaing,also Gallipoli map in online is more accurate.
Battlefield used to know that as unrealistic and as inaccurate as you could be, if you nailed how authentic the game can look and feel, people will love the game for years
Authenticity is entirely subjective to one's personal knowledge of the setting. To people who study the First World War, it's not authentic.
I noticed many irregularities in the depiction of the Ottoman army on my first playthrough. I was shocked by how organized and well armed the soldiers were when in fact the Ottoman army didn't even have half of the stuff depicted there. They fought with what the Germans were able to donate and with what the local factories had produced which wasn't a lot since, as mentioned in the video, the Ottoman empire wasn't industrialized or had standards in manufacturing. Also the Ottoman army did use captured and as well as outdated equipment from different fronts they were engaged in. Also you would see variations in uniforms as well since Ottoman supply lines are a disaster, especially when it comes to the Caucasus front, Mesopotamia front, the Sinai and Hijaz front. Still for being that ill equipped for the first modern war in human history the Ottomans fought through valiantly.
In Türkiye we say, "Almanya yenilince bizde yenilmiş sayıldık". (When Germany was defeated, we were defeated.)
Ya their depiction was very off in game, you will be glad to see that we do address pretty much all the points you mention in your comment when covering "The runner" story.
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As an Aussie who has had gallipoli crammed down their throat since birth its very apparent the gallipoli campaign depicted in bf1 is almost entirely incorrect. I sure don't know why they put us at Cape Helles when we were busy at Anzac Beach, and the uniform is entirely wrong etc. Not taking orders from British officers for the first time is a key point about that campaign for us. We really did get dramatically screwed by the brits but not remotely like how they display it. It just seems disrespectful to everyone involved. I'm glad they did depict Gallipoli because of how the it would eventually be highly relevant to the ww2 normandy beach landings, but they seem to think it's Omaha beach from D-Day followed by the Dunkirk evacuation.
Honestly everyone praises the atmosphere of this game but it seems to almost entirely be based on WW2, which makes sense for a vehicle + infantry combat game but not WW1.
@@Quills64 Gallipoli has been taught to us since it was the nation's biggest life or death situation. But Battlefield 1's depiction of the Ottomans came a bit disrespectful to me since they depict them as a well armed force with the latest when in fact it was one of the most unorganized armies in the first world war. The Ottomans also proved one point though that to win a war it needs more than a large quantity of men, weapons and the most modern weapons of that time, that being Courage. But like a wrote, it is astonishing how the Ottomans could even fight in a war like WW1 and win or hold out attacks like that.
1:00:00 I think i read somewhere once that some of the Red Baron's squadmates would also paint their planes with the same red color scheme, in order to prevent the real Richtofen from receiving focused enemy fire. But even then, that would be like a dozen, at most, not hundreds of Red Barons, as shown in game.
In the other hand, his squadron was known as the "Flying Circus" because they were all so brightly (and differently) colored.
There should definitely be some variance
You’re thinking of Jasta 18, which Manfred was not a part of.
This is video is more than two hours long of saying inaccuracies with battlefield one, you have some insane dedication to make these videos.
Nice to see you back bud
11:36 It looks like how fire fighters use their hoses. I guess in this instance they are also firefighters, but instead of fighting fire, they use fire to fight.
I mean, flamethrower operators were largely chosen from firefighters due to them not being as afraid of fire as normal people
That's... very sad.
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@@walnzell9328 Ah I see you are a man of culture as well xD
Fahrenheit 451 coming full circle
2:32 As a french collector myself I can tell that these pouches are actually not made for the MAS 36 at the moment of its adoption in the french army in 1936. They are actually Cartouchières Modèle 1945. These were issued when the MAS 36 was still in use but saw Indochina and North Africa combats until the early 1980's with the MAS 49 and later MAS 49/56, which makes them about 30 years off.
Oh damn that's even worse than I originally thought then
@@TheFrosty_1 Oh wow I have not expected a reply from you haha ! Glad to know I was useful ! :).
I take the opportunity to tell you that your work is awesome, hope it will get even more visibility in the future !
The german government protesting the use of shotguns for being " too cruel and inhumane " while actively using toxic gas weaponery is insane lol
The Germans were trying to make a stink, they weren't actually that
appalled by shotguns.
@@ImmafraidGuess they were trying to make a restricted lobby irl lol
Funny If German is the one who take a blame for using Gas.. While French doing it first and American turns blind eye to them.
Edit: It's French not British.. Lol
People really want to make Germany seem as more of the villain in WW1 i guess@@ChandraGunawan-p8w
@@ChandraGunawan-p8w If I remember correctly it was the French who first used chemical warfare by shelling German positions with tear gas, but it was the Germans who escalated it to more deadly compounds.
Absolutely love how he mentions Germany saying shotguns violate the Hague Conventions while also showing German soldiers using flamethrowers lol. Another great video! Didn't know there was this many inaccuracies in this game, but still had gun with this game... then Battlefield 5 was born
Man, Battlefield 1 makes me wish more Fps games covered World War I
Personally i just want to see a single game cover the korean war, all we ever had was mig alley (flight sim... FROM BEFORE 2000)
Imagine seeing the goofy immediate post war stuff mixed with equipment from all of ww2
They did they didn't live long tho unfortunately. It's really a niche period in fps. 😔
@@furinick ngl was expecting for the next Rising Storm to feature, unfortunately.
@@furinick I would like to see that. It would be fun to see some early cold war guns like the mat 49 , rp 46, and fn model 1949
Singleplayer ones. I don’t like playing with other people.
This is way more than I thought. I was sure this game would be way more accurate than Battlefield V
Oh yeah its VERY historically inacurate, but it captures the atmosphere of ww1 really nicly. The reason its so historically inacurate is beacuse its really hard to make a battlefield game set in ww1 while using only historically acturate stuff. it would be all bolt action rifles and a tank every 100 matches
I remember mentioning the blatant historical inaccuracies when this game came out. I may have accused Dice of doing zero research.
I got totally shat on by other people defending this masterpiece.
I feel kinda validated now
Easier to get away with historical inaccuracies with a war that ended 106 years ago.
@@535phobos They actually did a fair amount of research all things considered. As far as multiplayer is concerned, the blatant inaccuracies are there because this is a game marketed towards general audiences and the average person does not want to play a realistic WW1 game. The campaign though... that's a little harder to defend lmao
@sheevinit1490 It always felt like research on the level of those history TV docus or the magazines you can buy on train stations.
Good enough to pass as WW1 on the first glance, might even give you a good impression, but if you have ever read a book on that matter it all falls apart very quickly.
I had an argument in the comment section in the Battlefield 5 video with a guy saying that there wouldnt be enough historical innacuracies to make a video on bf1, and here we are today with a 2 hour video with just that
BF1 is just as bad as BFV with inaccuracies, it just nails the atmosphere so those inaccuracies don't impact nearly as much
BF1 has far more errors. It gets away with it because it hides them much better. Whether that is a good thing or bad thing is up to opinion,
99.9999% of this video is bitching about pouches and pockets and buttons. Its not nearly as bad as women making up 60% of the fighting force wielding guns with red dots.
@@JackRogers-x9e ah yes all those inaccuracies on the MkV, the ottomans depiction, incorrect aircraft, misuse of armored trains, it’s all about buttons guys.
@@JackRogers-x9e It also has nearly no weapons that were actually used, a black german soldier, no French,....
Adding to 2:00:04, some Ottoman stahlhems had holes next to ears to make hearing easier.
And germans incorrectly thought that these holes were for praying, because during a part of the pray you put your hands next to your ears.
Despite Battlefield 1’s varying levels of inaccuracy, much of it was, quite expertly I’d say, masked by the beautiful and grim atmosphere that the game had to offer. Really no other Battlefield game gave me this “grandiose” and almost “fantastical” feeling as compared to say BFV, where the same thing was tried yet fell flat (very flat).
Despite its faults, BF1 will always have a place in my heart for introducing me to so many unknown aspects of the First World War, through its usage of Codex entries or the rare weapons and equipment depicted, and garnering even more respect and appreciation for the lives lost over 100 years ago.
(Also, that kill marker sound was so satisfying to hear every time - Total eargasm)
Battlefield 1 is a game that deserves to live on forever, it is just that fantastic IMO.
Also, SMLE MKIII Carbine is a headshot machine.
Bro hit them with mustache inaccuracies 😭😭
It’s a fair critique. They were mandatory at least in British uniforms for a time.
Hello everyone, I'm Jay. I helped work on this video, mostly by providing information regarding uniforms and gear, but other things as well here and there.
Overall proud to have been part of the team, and I'm very happy with the result!
I will say there were actually some corrections that I offered regarding certain uniforms and gear that are pointed out in the video, but they were cut down for time I'm assuming which is a shame but I'm still glad all the errors were pointed out at least!
That being said I'm going to give my two-cents regarding this game.
I love Battlefield 1 in-spite of all its flaws. It is not an accurate game, but it is a highly immersive one and, imo, it's one that tried to honour the real history and pay its respects, even if it did it clumsily.
There's a difference between authenticity and accuracy. If BF1 were trying to be accurate, it would have tried to replicate the real events 1:1, including the methods of war at the time, which wouldn't translate well to a video-game.
Video games like this should be aiming for authenticity, i.e looking the part, feeling the part, immersing you into the history, the setting, by having the correct aesthetics, etc. This can be achieved by making things represent reality in areas that don't necessarily pertain to gameplay, things like uniforms, gear, representing particular real-world environments in immersive ways, etc.
It also includes creating a weapon and vehicle roster that are believable for the time, even if exaggerated (Which I think the game mostly achieves, with some horrible exceptions like the limpet mines and things like that.)
Overall I think that BF1 is decently authentic, at least when it comes to immersion. On a nitty-gritty level, it has a lot of problems, including the particulars of environmental settings, the portrayal of uniforms and gear, vehicles and things like that, but people tend to overlook these because at a first glance you can't tell. At a first glance it looks and feels like WWI, which is what matters most generally speaking.
As the uniforms were my area of expertise we'll use them as an example for the broader point.
Dice did a pretty poor job with some of the factions, the Austro-Hungarians, Americans, and Ottomans in particular, and also had some stupid errors on other ones as well that are mentioned in the video. As we mention, these were likely done due to time restraints but it's still a shame. For the most part, the gear and uniforms we see are somewhat period appropriate, just that they appear in places that make no sense for them to do so (Such as German uniforms on the Austro-Hungarians). Obviously there are some bigger issues, like WWII y-straps and other equipment, but overall I think the character models in general still immerse you, and are infinitely better than the dogshit designs from BFV which are astoundingly awful (Including modern day plate carriers, jackets from the Vietnam war, not a single correct Desert uniform for the Brits, etc etc).
Obviously I would prefer for Dice to have been more correct when it comes to all of these nitty gritty issues, but overall I still think they did a decent job, a much better job than they did for BFV, and made a product that resonated with people and sparked an interest in a generally unexplored setting, as it did for me! If it wasn't for this game, I wouldn't be the nerd for WWI that I am today, so in-spite its flaws I'm grateful for that.
Also obviously still good to point out all the issues so that people can learn from them as well, which I hope the video achieves for all of you :)
Cheers!
Glad to have you on the team man!
Twas an honor to have your help on this one Jay, your knowledge on the matter was immaculate!
@@TheFrosty_1 Happy to have helped, was an honour to be part of the team considering I've been enjoying your content for over a year now!
That's pretty much how I feel about BF1, too.
Great job with your research, by the way! Must be a lot of fun to team up with people and research wars for videos like this. It really helps put a spotlight on aspects of war that most of us would otherwise never be exposed to. Every little thing matters to the broader effort- even little things like pouches, belts, and straps.
@@_Bungus For sure, I had tons of fun working on it! Lots of it was stuff I already did a year or two ago and had saved in a document which was handy haha, but there was new stuff too. I made a few mistakes here and there of course, but overall I'm very happy and proud of the result, cheers!
I have never seen a good-faith, coherent argument made against these videos. Ever.
It's literally always a strawman, either-or fallacy, ad hominem, or just a complete misunderstanding of realism as an element in art.
How else are you supposed to structure a video like this, other than going through the game and pointing everything out?
@@ArkayaStudiosI think you misunderstand, he's praising these videos
For real, and I don’t get why they get mad when they can simply just not watch the video? They act like everything revolves around them
Reminds me of people who watch movie reviews and than shit on a person who made this, because how people dare to have an opinion if they never made their own film.
@@ArkayaStudiosI like the video, I'm criticizing the comments people make here.
I'm a historian, and I enjoy this game like nothing else in the world.
Its historical inaccuracies or exaggerations are totally overshadowed by the quality of setting, gameplay, and technology in this game.
14:32 "The Imperial German Army had only build 20 tanks, while the British build over 2,000 and the French around 4,000." - Wow! These are enormous numbers!
And that's why German Used Allies tank As Beutepanzer since they are in desperate
And we Aussies snagged the one and only remaining German A7V tank and brought it back home.
Germans didnt think much of tanks at the timw
@@taistelusammakko5088 What did they think of?
Fun Fact:
In germany we call something to be ''0815'' when we refer to it beeing cheap, basic or unoriginally:
This is because of the MG0815, becuase it was the first heavy mass produced gun that wasnt produced in one factory, rather all the parts were manufactured by different companys and it would be assambled in another.
Also The ''DIN'' Deutsches Institut für Normung (German institute for Norms) also produced the first ever DIN wich is the norm, that describes how the firering pin is supposed to be Tolerated.
BF1 is meant to get an anti-cheat update sometime this month so I'm afraid to see if historical rework mods get slashed. A lot of the character models in those mods don't even hurt the game's class identification and look more like if Dice didn't rush the character models and repasted assets everywhere, they're pretty fantastic.
And possibly Linux users won't be able to play anymore
People gave this game waaaayyy too much leeway when it came out because it was the first triple-A game to depict WWI. And then a few years later everyone wondered why BF5 was such an insulting depiction of WWII. Well, they already gave DICE an inch, so they took the mile.
The signs were very much there with BF1. The Games cover alone told you a lot.
This is why I like to play the game with the 1918 Multiplayer Mod which corrects all the inaccuracies with the game while also preserving the diversity angle, like keeping the Indian soldier for the British team or adding in a proper Harlem Hellfighter for the American team.
Sadly, kernel anticheat is coming on the 20th, meaning the mods won't be in use much longer
I wish they actually gave the Indian medic a unique voice to match his origin
"What do you know about battleships?" Asks T.E. Lawrence to a *Bedouin* **Woman** who lives in a ***desert***
there is a sunken battleship on the suez map
@@realmanjamalAs mentioned in the video, that battleship was yet another Iron Duke reused asset, even though no iron Duke class ships were destroyed in the Suez Canal
@@TheFrosty_1 Your voice is like a robot and the constant pings are sooooo fk annoying. And in every video.
@@TheFrosty_1Tbf, dice probably didn't want to make a whole new model for a backdrop element that like 3 people will notice
@@monikawasherelolEven the battleships that all factions use in multiplayer are modeled after the Iron Duke IIRC.
This game made me fall in love with WWI history and made me actively go out of my way to read and learn as an 8th grader who hated everything about school. Definitely deserves credit for that. Amazing game. I loved when they added the “realistic” game modes where they gave you the service rifle of the army your playing as and that was about it 😂
Same, My friend's August Caccavone and Eugene Iconetti's father's were in WW1 with the Army, August was in the 7th Army in Europe and Gene was with the 4th Marine Division 24th Marines as a combat engineer on Saipan and saw the flag raising on Surabachi
57:44 I fucking love that name lmfao
"Entre cuisses", literally "between thighs"
why did you have to make me aroused..?
the devs def knew
Me before watching this video:
Wow battlefield 1 is a great game with a great atmosphere
Me after watching this video:
Wow battlefield 1 is still a great game with great atmosphere, but my god the devs were lazy
before watch video: another day, another flaws
after watch video: another day, another flaws, it's expected.
It wasn't until working out of Arras on two Canadian First World War battlefield sites last year that I realized just how deeply innaccurate Battlefield I is. While I do still love the game as a game, I sincerely appreciate the incredibly detailed breakdown and the level of research and work that went into this. I do hope that if games do continue to revisit the war in the future, they give it its due with far more overall respect for historical accuracy.
While the Mark V tank's marking and the game itself says Black Bess, the officer refers to it as "Big Bess." I seems like there was some confusion during development if they were going to make the tank Black Bess or just base it off of it.
I don’t think so. As a Brit that’s just something we do.
Imagine shooting somebody in war and they just dont die no matter how many times ye shoot them and theyre just roasting your outfit the entire time
Pretty much ya XD
Wish I knew someone who could animate it with audio from this video. The mental image you gave me is hilarious
I’m surprised no one is talking about how fast the Mark V is going, as its top speed was 5 MPH. It seems to be going much faster but I can see this being put in by devs to enhance gameplay.
I did note this but decided not to include it as it was very likely a gameplay choice as you have said.
Players would get very impatient if they were trudging along at 5 mph so that's fair enough I suppose
I was really waiting for an an inaccuracy video about Battlefield 1. Nice.
Same here
0:24 I understand because the incorrect timeline of a song becomes a sin. But seriously it is understandable that this scene not only was in post-war, but it also has the darkest meaning. They don't show the guy's limbs or any body except his head. He's probably having the most serious PTSD from that war. If they used a pre-war song, would the players understand what time/year this scene is at? There's no calendar on the scene or anything/anyone to mention either, how do we know this is post-war by just looking at a guy handsome and normal face?
2:40 At least the Lebel 1886 would be added when the French became a playable nation in the very first DLC They Shall Not Pass. The DLC also added other French weapons including the RSC 1917 self-loading rifle and the Chauchat machine gun.
FrostyOne, you should really consider redoing your video covering Call of Duty Vanguard. It's only ~30 minutes long, and I think you could get some more mileage out of it.
We plan on remaking that video for sure ya, ti's a good suggestion thank you!
@@TheFrosty_1 👌👊💪👍
24:43 The interior temperature of a tank during World War 1 could reach up to 120 degrees Fahrenheit or higher. The crew would have to work in this hot and cramped environment, which could be very uncomfortable and tiring. The heat was a major problem for the crew, as it could cause dehydration, heat exhaustion, and other heat-related illnesses. It also makes no sense why the crew in the tank are wearing coats in a tank that can get extremely hot inside and by this time. There were no air conditioning in tanks yet and they also had to breathe in the exhausted dirt that got inside the tank because of the poor ventilation.
Finally!! Been waiting for this for a while thanks
Wonderful video. I will make one slight correction however. At 6:30 the picture shown is the M1907-15 M16. This is actually anachronistic as the M1907-15 has only a three-round, flush fit magazine, whereas the picture shown clearly shows an extended five-round magazine taken from the M16 carbine. This modification was done post-war as the three-round capacity was considered insufficient. Source: Chassepot to FA-MAS: French Rifles 1866-2016 by Ian McCollum
I just want to point out that CoD got so lazy recently that MW3 (the recent one) and thus Warzone got the same kill marker sound effect that's iconic to the BF franchise (just quieter). Can't talk about the new game because I don't play CoD anymore. Got bored of the meta virgins, sniper campers and cheaters and I played only Warzone. The OG and the new one. If I had to choose again I'd choose BF now as my favourite FPS
The bo6 beta is pretty fun but yeah sometimes it’s just y’know..slop. Fun slop though.
@@sillyman2013thanks for the info. I'll stay to Enlisted for now though.
lol
"how did they get away with this?"
1. because gameplay always come first
2. 99% dont know about innacuarries and dont care
Most of these errors are not for the sake of gameplay.
3. Missions in the campaign are vague enough to not be blatant adaptations of extremely well documented historical events, as well as not being a blatant rewriting of said historical events *cough* Operation Gunnerside in BF5 *cough*
4. The devs didn't make a stink over being historically accurate after being called out for being historically inaccurate.
5. The first trailers showed what looked like WWI but in the average multiplayer match kind of intensity, not some fanfiction self-insert WWI female cripple soldier in bright war paint that even someone unaware of history in detail would find out of place or assume the game's supposed to be an alternate universe of some kind.
Same as WaW the reason they got away with it is because they made it historically authentic, even if not historically accurate.
@@Flare-s3c They also got away with it by selling a shitton of copies regardless of all the drama. Turns out 95% of consumers don't really care about who really blew up the German heavy water plant, they just want fun game where they shoot the bad guys
I recall dice giving a throw away excuse of it being “alternative history” around its reveal so I guess they didn’t have to be so rigid with historical representation
@@ChubbsterBrown Anything better than outright saying "We believe we are on the right side of history" while replacing an entire squad of norwegian commandos that didn't fire a shot to finish the mission with a teenage girl capable of surviving severe hypothermia, overpowering a grown adult while under the effects of said hypothermia, and shooting up the factory to finish the mission.
I'm actually curious if there's been a worse case of history rewriting in the series.
Say what you want, nothing is going to change my love of this game.
The amazing thing with these inaccuracies is that they actually had to go out of their way to be this inaccurate.
They genuinely could have very noticeably improved the accuracy by just not putting in some many out of place experiment weapons
@TheFrosty_1 exactly, I understand that there was a lot of cool and unique firearms then, but I wish they would have kept those for the multiplayer and left the single player more accurate. BF1 is a straight up immersion killer for me. Even to this day I still stick with Verdun, Tanneburg and Isonzo for that "accuracy fix" lol
Very small thing, but also forgot to mention that Black Bess IRL was a Female tank, AKA armed only with machine guns, not a Male tank with cannons.
I don’t recall if he mentions in the video but was black Bess not a mark IV tank as well and not a mark V as the game shows.
The pictures we see of Black Bess IRL only show the 1 side, for all we know it could've been one of the rare Hermaphrodite tanks. (But it's unknown if any Mk IVs were converted to the composite Hermaphrodite versions) And because of this we didn't mention it.
@@WookieeDavidson you work on the development of this video, did you?
@@ChubbsterBrown Yeah, we have a big team of researchers who helped find the information for the video, granted a few things were missed. Like we discovered after the video was published we missed a detail on the caterpillar tracks, the shovel looking grousers would not be used by Mk Vs for example.
@@WookieeDavidson as far as I know, only Mark Vs were converted into Composites/Hermaphrodites.
Finally, An historically innacuracy video of Battlefield 1 brought by Frosty the first.
38:54 Labelling Poison Gas as ''Peace Fumes is pretty funny even though it shouldn't be
Historical Accuracy Autism is my favorite Autism
Same for mythology autism
“It’s my autism, I get to choose the special interest!”
(Not actually autistic, just like the joke)
4:10 the French faction we’re not in the game yet, which is even more insulting
They were in the intro cutscene but not the gameplay, was a strange one, some parts of the game seemed like they were really rushed
@@TheFrosty_1True. I also find it strange none of the Austro-Hungarian forces speak Hungarian. Surely if they would go through the trouble of finding a different woman to voice the White Army scout in every language, then they could find one male Hungarian speaker.
@BitcrushedMozart Indeed, as addresses in the video too, they simply reused the German voice lines pretty much for the Austro-Hungarians, despite the accent being a Munich one, not even Austrian
I was waiting for this video for so long
Thank you frosty1 for reviewing the history of my favorite battlefield game and possibly the best in the franchise ever
Despite glaring inaccuracies, this game has given me a newfound intrigue and respect for the real history of WW1. On top of that, it is a very well made game with an unmatched atmosphere and sense of scale, destruction, dourness, hopelessness, and death. Not to mention its amazing soundtrack which is just the beautiful cherry on top, look me in the eyes and tell me you listend to "lacrimosa" without crying like a bitch, that song conveys the pain of war very well. 10/10 game no question, might even boot it back up and see if the servers are still kickin.
And somehow bf1 is way better in all aspects than bfV
Me when I lie
Yeah despite being WW1 I agree
In "Through mud and bood" in the cutscene where the tank crew gets saved by the artillery strike, the tank somehow manges to flawlessly get out of the steep and muddy hole.
If thats the case for real life, then Fray Bentos would have made it out alive.
They had a Hellriegel but they could not add a single freaking swing-out cylinder , Double Action Revolver of the many issued in the war .
This game feels incomplete .
I love how well you corrected and researched the Avanti Savoia! Especially when it comes to the location! Great job!
1:44:51 Quick fact about these codex entries! Most of them were written with the help of Indy Neidell, a Swedish historian who not only hosted a series on The Great War TH-cam channel and is also the host for the TimeGhost History channel as well, he's also worked with Sabaton, a power metal band who's most recent album was about the first world war, and who also did a series for them called Sabaton History, where Indy went over the facts and history behind certain Sabaton songs, including the song Saravejo, about the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, and Christmas Truce, about the 1914 ceasefire on Christmas Day. If you're more than interested in the first world war, or just want to listen to amazing power metal, or are just a history buff, go check all of these things out!
Ian McCollum of Forgotten Weapons wrote a lot of the weapon codex entries.
Frosty, your videos give me life. Keep on keepin on dude
1:44:49 The codex entries were actually made by the team behing The Great War youtube channel. It's a channel that ran from 2014 to 2018, the great war 100 years later in real time. They just finished their ww2 project and started a Korean war one a month ago. Great stuff
We need more long, analytical Battlefield 1 videos on TH-cam! Like ranking all of the operations and analyzing each map
You could save time and money by just not bothering with BF1 and instead go for Verdun/Tannenberg/Isonzo. THAT is the real WW1 experience that's currently available.
Well he’s already done it, maybe someday he will review those hames
Beyond the setting, BF1 and Verdun/etc. barely even have anything in common. They're games that try to do very different things
Those games are dead as dirt so no one wants those videos. Also we like seeing him find inaccuracies. That’s the whole point of the series.
Where's Ottoman Mauser C96? Is it supposed to be one of the main firearms for them?
We had this in the script, but I forgot to add it in due to the deadline of release for this video.
They do actually have 2 or 3 C96s in their crates in game, though they are the standard German war time commercial model and are seen attached with Maxim silencers.
@TheFrosty_1 only 3 of them and equip with silencers? Yikes that's bad enough
Not to mention when you fire one of the main guns on the mark five tank you can't far the other one because apparently McManus is reloading both of them at the same time despite not firing the second one
Ya it was strange for sure, McManus was apparently running over and back reloading and fire both guns simultaneously.
Idk how bro didn't collapse from exhaustion, especially while wearing that damn RFC aircraft jacket
BF1 is so historically inaccurate, me and my friends joked that it's basically an alternate steampunk WWI. And that simple joke inspired a big part of my WIP steampunk fantasy novel.
So yeah, BF1 is so historically inaccurate, it partly inspired a steampunk war novel. Thanks, Dice!
i think it would be closer to dieselpunk than steampunk, but yeah, kinda
@@dominiklehn2866 My setting is sort of between steampunk and dieselpunk.
The tech itself is closer to dieselpunk, but the aesthetics are more steampunky, with lots of brass and very late 19th century cities.
"Masks of Steel" on Royal Road if you're interested. ^^
@@MikJ132 it sounds really interesting. I haven't heard of royal road yet but I might check it out later
I’m so happy you decided to use the battlefield 1 kill sound when a historical inaccuracy is spotted easily the best kill sound in gaming history
36:15 Common Canadian W
Somewhere at the HQ: "We can't give everyone bolt action rifles! Bolt action rifles are sniper weapons!"
1:50 Battlefield 1 > Battlefield 5
Shut up
@@Zoomer_Boi it's like dice created its own monster, its own Frankenstein.
@@R3TR0J4N Dice: “It’s alive! It’s alive!!!”
Battlefield community: “KILL IT! KILL IT!!!!”
As much as I like your reviews, you always seem to mention the things devs changed to make the game better, and not the same exact things in other games. Like how you brought up the benellis 3rd person gun model being half empty. I feel as if that was a bit of a stretch to consider it "historically" inaccurate. Along with saying stuff like "few in numbers" but you never consider some things actually being few in number inside of the game. But it's not a big deal so I think you did a great job, nothing invalidates the months of research and work you put in for our own entertainment 😁 stay frosty
I love these vids so much, the effort that goes into these has to be absolutely insane, and I cant thank you and your lads for these vids. :3
People who play BFV: Stop hating the game it has been 6 years already.
Me when I see all the ridiculous customization: Yeah, No.
Facts I tried to play the campaign as realistically as possible but it was hard when everyone had reflex sights and weird camos on their guns
In fairness, atleast it's possible to immerse yourself in BFV, good luck doing that in every cod after advanced warfare introduction of quirky skins lol
@@Aegis--- They are almost equally bad, bfv is slightly better but everytime I play the campaign half the weapons are anachronistic, in the wrong area, or have weird camos/ reflex sights
@@ontheglo.28 at this point I feel like you're reading far too much into it to actually enjoy it
That being said, the intentional historical revisionism of the norway mission was fucking ridiculous
@@ontheglo.28 Yeah. I understand and agree with the argument that obsessing too much over historical accuracy in games just kneecaps a person's ability to enjoy basically any historical media, but there does need to be a balance. Anachronisms and inaccuracies are to be expected, but when the guns and player models don't even look like they belong in the setting half of the time, I think that's crossing a line.
BFV's multiplayer is even worse in that regard.
Thank you so much for reading my comments. Keep up the good work and research. One of these days, these games will be remastered with historically accurate details. That would be amazing.
I've been waiting for this video for so long
Same
Love your videos man, keep it up!
This game may not be fully historical accurate but BF1 did a very excellent job portraying World War I better than how BFV portrayed World War II very Inaccurately.
Debatable. I think a lot of that comes from people knowing less about WW1 than WW2 and thus being less disappointed in the game not fitting their image of that era, in contrast to the omnipresent WW2
@@LittleRamsies I agree with 535phobos, WW2 is significantly more studied and popular than WW1. More WW2 games were made so we're all used to that.
They went out of their way to be inaccurate with BF1, they don't have many excuses for that game.
@@Prizrak131 yep WW2 always get the attention more than WW1 despite being the largest armed conflict in human history so many books, schools, movies, and especially games always focuses on the Second World War than the First World War no franchise has gone back to WW1 not even COD cause COD always does WW2 over and over all again so battlefield was the first biggest franchise to players black to WW1 the drawn of modern combat and trench warfare.
Battlefield 1 is a Masterpiece it always will be
Amazingly concise, fantastically historically correct and generally another important educational video. Many thanks for your work.
Could you maybe do a mini video on Beach Invasion 1944 and Beach Invasion 1945? They’re two of my favorite indie games!
For what its worth for the inaccuracies of BF1 and for the little historical coverage the Great War had Dice took a lot of creative liberties for the campaign and in the words of one of the devs "We took what WW1 could be, what WW1could look like."
Yeah but some things are just lazy like Americans having British uniforms. By the logic of "what it could be", I can understand some small things like French soldiers using the MAS 36s or having some parts of their uniform equipment be from WW2, but can you really excuse them not bothering to give an entire nation their own uniforms or having placeholder weapons still in the game (two examples he lists early on)
Seems like they were utterly contradicting themselves because as stated by the lead game designer of DICE, Daniel Berlin:
"Battlefield 1 is definitely rooted in history. There's no alternate mix of anything else. All the stuff you see is equipment that was available. All the vehicles you see were available at this time.
Read more: www.tweaktown.com/news/52048/battlefield-1-rooted-history-based-alternate-ww1-timeline/index.html
Glad that I could help for the research of this video 😊
1:56:50 Almost a hundred thousand (100,000) sources say from around 50k (50,000) to 86k (86,000). If we go with the 86k marker from the source this sentence technically shouldn't be counted as inaccurate since it used 'almost' which is close to but not exactly 100k
You have a solid point but I'd still say that the game was rounded the number up too high. If they said just under 90,000 or so then it would be OK, but 100k is a bit off still
@@TheFrosty_1 Fair
bf1 is the perfect example of how a game doesn't need to be completely historically accurate in order to be a great value product as long as it portrays the feeling, the atmosphere, the main aspects of a certain period. all the things that we saw in ww1 are in the game, some are wrong, but they existed and this is what matters, adapting an era for making it playable but still making people know what is about.. great job dice! and great job frosty for making this video a pure information point for who loves this game and wants to know more about history!
A lot of the misplaced guns in the story were due to the fact that the correct guns weren't added into the game until later dlcs
Why on earth did they decide to focus on putting all the weird experimental out of place weapons in first then? Why put them in the single player campaign so much? Why not go back and add the new appropriate ones into the campaign? These devs just has very little care it seems in this regard
@@TheFrosty_1 As an example, the absence of french guns in the story was because the French weren't added until the first dlc. As you said, a lot of the story problems were fixed in the multiplayer.
55:57 The German soldier has a sentry kit and is also wielding an MP18 with the Sappenpanzer armor of the sentry kit, both of which were sometimes used together by some German stormtroopers so it's somewhat accurate. However, the sentry kit also includes a German sniper face shield and the sentry arm armor which seems to be based on the arm armor of an experimental U.S. armor set.
Spolier Alert: Gavrilo Princip shot Archuke Franz Ferdinand of Austria
Love Your Videos Keep up the fantastic work, Frosty
Come on man whyd you have to do that
TOO SOON MAN
I fucking knew it.
@@neilhannan5112 Ahhhhh, come on dude!!!
I love you changed the inaccuracy counting sound to match a weapon from the game’s time period
It's the kill sound from BF1's MP, not a weapon sound :)
3:59 Change white British and American into French soldiers - No can do sir. We kinda don't have any French character and guns assets/models available because we planned to release French as a Expansion/DLC later. YES, WE RELEASED WW1 GAME THAT PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING IN FRANCE WITHOUT THE FRENCH IN THE GAME. 🤯
There are French speaking soldiers wearing french uniforms in the intro cutscene as we show and discuss, so I have no idea what happened.
Did they make the cutscene beforehand and then realise after that they didn't have enough time to put the French models in the actual gameplay?
It all seems rushed and all over the place.
Ok, Frosty. Gotta give Gaijin credit for sponsoring this one especially since we're getting a new War Thunder update soon xD
Main campaign of a World War 1 game does not include playable Germans, French, or Russians.
Well let alone to say damn Asian and Pacific theatre. they never mention it.
@@Mechanized85 Asia is featured in BF1.
@@Mechanized85they made an Arabian faction for singleplayer just to not have to include a central powers one
I love this channel for this very reason cant imagine the time and effort it took to do this, and its very well done
"Ladies and Gentleman! May we represent a swedish royal symbol"😂
Thanks for another Battlefield video
I'm still in shock over that damn Sweidish roundel lol
My highest of thanks for the tip!
@@TheFrosty_1 hahahaha😂
Thanks for the videos!
Always made me laugh when people acted like BF1 was some authentic masterpiece. While I think the visuals, sounds and maps were great the characters, uniforms and weapons were done from a place of people wanting to be edgy and alternative rather than historical. It felt like a war set in the 1920s. Experimental weapons completely killed the vibe for me as being killed by SMGs felt like any other FPS game. The signs of BF5 being the complete mess it was were very much there with BF1, it's where their determination to force in gender/race diversity began.
I did this Bundfarbenanstrich grafic .. Thank you for using it🎉
Grand job sure, I must have been using your work as one of the sources on the matter then
@@TheFrosty_1 I uploaded it both to Wikicommos (Wikipedia) and to Pixabay for people to use it.
I was surprised to see this much inaccuracies. I still love the game though. The only thing I absolutely hate about BF1 is that it depicts central powers (and Germany in particular) as evil. The truth is, unlike WW2, there were no good or bad sides in WW1, all sides were equally evil and the whole conflict was pointless.
I'm very happy that the A7V in this game is threatening as hell when it's not stuck in a crater, but I'm disappointed that when it breaks down it doesn't have a huge swarm of germans coming out of it like a clown car.
That had what, like 16 man crews or something big like that, right?
With the cool terrain deformation of this game it would have been hilarious to be able to use explosions to capsize them into craters.
16 players trying to operate a tank together with voice chat would be awesome and stupid at the same time.
@@Immafraid with the average battlefield player that hardly plays the objective in conquest I’m sure that’d be a real laugh. Would look like a drunk cat.
WE'VE BEEN WAITING SO LONG FOR THIS. THANK YOU.