I think they should do this experiment but with average ppl with some training in different combative... I would love to do this for the educational experience
@Changeiscoming647 I'm sure icy Mike will crush u in a fight ima og fan been watching him for years And alot of his og fans are great fighters are you if not stfu
@@Changeiscoming647 eh. Not sure what you’re talking about. While Mike is a contrarian and I get frustrated with him, he is qualified. Your basic argument would disqualify people like Cus D’mato (Tyson’s trainer) and John Danaher (Craig Jones and Nikki Rod’s former trainer) from talking about self defense. Mike has a lot of ideas and he was a police officer.
I really didn't expect your tactic during the knife attack sequence. Really smart of you! I see loads of memes on Reddit about BJJ guys pulling guard or buttscooting in the face of a knife attack. But you ACTUALLY did that, and made it work. Madlad.
Natan in that barfight episode made me realise how fking dangerous a guy who really knows how to fight truly is. Once switched on he just obliterates the entire room within seconds. Apparently pissing off a ufc fighter is something to avoid.
I respect Jordan for committing to BJJ and trying to solve the problems through the lens of that style rather than falling back on his Muay Thai training. It adds more to the competition to really have the defined differences in people's styles and experimenting in approaches. Ranton is extremely valuable to the show I think because he's like a huge number of martial artists out there. People who have trained - potentially trained really hard - in their styles but never trained to fight. And having to convert that training into a practical situation essentially on the fly. And based on the showing here the answer is...swinging hooks at the head.
And landing them with devastating effect. Loved seeing Rant-On, after he was Rant-Off for the first few challenges (in his own words lol.) A lot of that Shaolin training would lend someone the athleticism and flexibility to have a leg-up when learning other martial arts, but on its own, I am curious what it would actually accomplish in the hands of someone with a mind for violence. We already saw Ranton throwing those hands like a champ, for instance. I wonder how much of that was just what he's naturally capable of, and how much of it was aided by his training.
You see that even with martial arts masters vs the Chinese gentleman putting them all to the test (for their own good). They just start swinging haymakers and hooks. Their styles are completely forgotten.
To be fair I do think that the choice of fighters is a little bit unbalanced. You got absolute units like Jeff and Natan who CLEARLY have the edge, but the Aussie dude is REALLY showing some promise! I'm glad that Ranton is there (mostly because I've always wanted to see him in action!). However Icy Mike, you should return to the USDC dude! I ended up watching this series specifically because you and Ramsay Dewey were in it!
@bensweeney5878 the only good thing about this is that we get to see multiple perspectives in their approach to these situations. as a competition, you're dead right. as a way to study what works and what doesn't, and what WE might struggle with in these situations, it's very valuable.
Ranton finding his ability to "flip the switch" is one of my favorite moments in USDC season 3 so far! I was cheering just like Icy Mike when that part happened.
@@thecjwolfpackit was my comment! love seeing that happen in mma where certain conditions bring out a different side of the fighter, and as a long time fan of Ranton it was amazing to see him throw down
I would guess he walks around at ~180 lb. The way they listed the fighter states in the first episode was not great since they listed fighting weight for the mma fighters and walk around weight for everyone else.
I like that they have a "normal guy" in there this year. I would also like some of the attackers to be "normal guys" as well. Of course there are questions of safety and more, but I agree with Mike's take on the knife switching hands. I believe Icy Mike has a video on people focusing on their weapon when they have one. I believe it is highly likely that someone untrained in any form of combat wouldn't think to switch hands.
It happens about 100x more often in training then outside of training. It happens literally every round in training unless you instruct students not to... and sometimes they still do. In the wild it is extremely rare.
But i feel like if they go out of their way to bring a "normal guy" in they should actually bring a normal guy, Craig did martial arts before and literally had fights in prison. Thats not the average guy imo...
@@hard2hurtthe fear of losing the death grip they have on the weapon probably overrides their willingness to attempt to switch hands. Or something like that. 🤷♂️
@@heibk-2019Neither Craig or Rokas has said he had prior martial arts experience. Maybe in your social circle a guy like Craig isn’t considered normal, but working in the trades he is 100% typical. I literally apprenticed under a contractor that would bare knuckle brawl in empty barns when he was my age. Edit: My memory on the first statement wasn't fully accurate. My bad.
@@hard2hurt What if season three has the competitors all out of "self-defense gurus" from youtube, showing off their "systems", giving you a huge opportunity to give a taste of "real life" to them?
Yeah manly stuff not filming yourself with your friends doing weird childish "Challenges" some of them do it in their pijamas... Yeah mounting tvs and drinking beer manly pijama parties playing fighting not so much little bro
Ranton earned that spot in the thumbnail. 🥋 He might not have preformed the best in the challenge but the fact that he realized his mistakes and fought against them 200% is really commendable. (And entertaining) 👍
You're spot on as usual. The lesson from the guard pulling is no matter how bad you think your position is, there is something you can do to keep fighting. But no...do not drop to you back when confronted with an attacker. Natan is my pick to win. That dude is fighting like he was Captain Israel in the elevator.
Dude I’m all about Craig this season. Despite me being a karate and Shaolin practitioner who wrestled through middle and high school. Regular Craig is in beast mode.
I think something to pay attention to in the pulling guard scenario is the red paint. In this scenario, pulling guarding worked because it's a game. There was red paint behind his knee and across the backs of both thighs. The thighs could have cut the hamstrings. The one might the knee would have absolutely cut the ligaments there. So, within a few seconds, his legs would have been next to nonfunctional. He would have been on his back, bleeding out, and unable to move his legs effectively. But for this game, it was a great strategy. There's nothing wrong with operating within the parameters of the game. So kudos to that. Game vs reality, very different outcome (obviously)
There was actually a 20ft rule study done with defense experts that had the logic that dropping to the ground is beneficial against a charging knifemen... when you have a gun. In their scenario, the quick elevation change is to give you time and space to pull and fire as the assailant suddenly have to adjust to having to get past your legs and strike downwards. Not the biggest window of opportunity, but possibly just enough of a delay to successfully pull before getting stabbed.
My friend's brother inlaw survived a knife attack doing EXACTLY what the JJ guy did (lie on his back). He fell on his back and used his legs way less professionally - 100% untrained. He ended up in hospital from the cuts and stabs, but survived.
1 observation is not a method. It "worked" twice on the show too. Knife survability has more to do with how long it takes to get to the hospital than how well you fight in a lot of cases.
@@101289teutonicguy I’d say it’s more based on luck as to where the knife penetrated. A penetrating wound to an artery can end you within 30 seconds, long before the end of the emergency call is finished.
@@101289teutonicguythere is no knife defence unless you defeat the opponent before they got a chance to attack. You make peace with the fact that you’re going to the hospital (if you’re lucky) there’s no secret technique it’s brutal and terrifying that you can’t do anything
As much as I like all the competitors I have to admit my money's on Craig to win this, he's got that bear in him and he knows when to use it and when to turn it off, I think that's going to go a long way in season 2.
enoughofyourkoicarp- exactly- as Mike said- guys who do hard physical work every day and not as a sport or hobby are strong as hell, plus he is an Ozzy.
He may not be the best fighter but he has the best instincts. In the bar fight one he just left lol. He stoped standing by the “friend”. In the challenge about being aware he was stowing knives in his shorts. Everyone else tends to rely on head to head fights.
I don't know if that's 100% sure but Rokas said on his stream that Craig is not the 100% regular guy because he had some bare knuckle fights in prison. That's even more fun watching him rn haha
This new Season of USDC is incredible, but one of my favorite moments from Season 1 was Icy Mike kicking the knife out of a guy's hand- that was badass as fuck
In this context, for sure. He seems nice enough in general. He can really turn it on for these challenges, though. The 2nd episode with the bar fight simulations showed his skills beautifully. Everyone coming close enough to strike caught a fist to the face (helmet) the moment they entered striking range and immediately become less motivated to keep going. The same attitude that Mike is talking about for these knife fights - turning the attack back on them. Scary indeed.
@@shirokku3279 yeah, that’s a huge difference between him and even Jeff, who is also a pro but Jeff hyped himself up a little too much in there bar episode and went straight for the fight before trying to calm it. I saw something say he was idf but can’t confirm, him being an 8-2 pro would definitely have them a little worried and then he threw down lol
@@saure22natan was born in france. Probably a dual french-israeli citizen. Not sure if that would exempt him from the draft but i can't find anything that suggested he was in the idf. He certainly acts like i would expect an idf soldier to.
@@lihchong2267 Yeah I couldn’t find anything about it either, just saw a comment saying that, maybe true or not but all I could find out was an mma instructor before becoming pro. It’s something someone said online so we’ll never know unless he speaks about it.
If you haven't figured it out, people, if Mike roasts you then he'll eventually become your best friend. Rokas and Jesse are prime examples of this. Watch Mike and Ranton collaborate soon, even though there is no reason for it seeing as Ranton is mostly a gaming TH-camr.
@hardtohurt You are the most unbiased and honest critic on youtube. I don't always agree with your opinion, but I always respect it. That's hard to find in a world of "JIU JITSU OR DIE!" and "YEAH BUT WAIT TILL I HIT YOU". I favor striking, but respect grappling. It depends on ones abilities, attributes, will to win, and the circumstances that determine the outcome. I think you really try to look at each scenario and determine what the best way to handle it is. Sometimes it's better to run, sometimes it's better to grapple, sometimes it's better to strike, sometimes you gotta mix it all up a little. Again, I don't always agree with you, but I admire that quality that you have. Thank you for your content.
I suspect if he was just some random guy with no training or experience then he'd not really be in the social circle to get pulled into the USDC. And if he were then he'd lack the confidence to take time of work to take part.
@@sirbobulous They have explicitly acknowledged that Craig does have a considerable amount of training. He is nicknamed ''regular guy'' because he represents someone who does martial arts as a hobby, not as a job. Compare to pro mma fighters and kung-fu monks, he is pretty regular.
@@aliberk3112 Thanks, this is I feel not made clear enough, but he does indeed have some training. It's mentioned that he has a job and life outside of martial arts, with only some training. And most of what he's capable of (in terms of martial arts) looks like what you'd find in any dabbler. There's a decent percentage of people like that. Martial Arts are a common enough way that some people get some exercise, even if they don't do anything with those skills beyond the immediate value that training gives them as exercise. That was me as a teen, for instance. Never took it anywhere, just used kickboxing training as a way to maintain fitness. It had the added benefit of desensitizing my shins a little, so I don't completely wipe out when I bump them against the coffee table. :D
Yeah they seem to have some subjective aspects to some of these. Jesse literally hit this guy's chin and they said he won from striking the eyes, Jeff stabs their eyes with a pen, and actually hit the eyehole, and doesn't? Them doling out knockout punch wins seems entirely random and up to the guy running it. Oh and the "random beer drinking guy" isn't just random, he did a little BJJ, and "sporadically" trains at the guy running the championships facility. So we're not looking at an untrained guy either.
I think they definitely oversell the "NORMAL" which you could debate whether or not thats ok, but he also definitely isnt like the most consistently trained member
@@bigbywolf5197 That...that isn't how knowledge works. When you learn something, unless you don't even think about it for years, you will always have a pretty good idea of the broad picture.
That's what I had to say about it, that Jeff should have gotten that point with the atomic bear pen. It is what it is though, and Rokas addressed it nicely.
Well, he is the biggest guy there, and apparently was a bare knuckle boxer in prison, so I would be more scared to fight him than any of these other guys
@@nicholasneyhart396 then I would question your judgement. Nathan and Jeff were a lot of unhinged and brutal . Jessy took down 2- 3 knife attckers and you are afraid of a bare knuckle boxer.
The moment the Icy Mike spotted Jeff utilizing the pen, he felt Jeff should've gotten points from it. As did a large portion of the commenters. Then when he saw Jesse Enkamp get points from the eye strike. Yup. The commenters agreed though they seemed a bit more heated about it. I completely missed the part about Ranton saying the pulling guard was content. He's not wrong but he didn't have say it. 🤣
bjj black belt: "i'll reveal my plan later..." as he lays on his side prepping to work off his back... in his head: "no one is going see this coming. haha!" in reality... everyone knew what was coming...
Well to me, they learned a lot of what they did wrong with season one and made improvements for future competitors. So yea, I would be angry too, but I’d say you and the rest of season one made huge strides that made the people see what they were doing wrong. And made it better and safer even for more fighters to want to come back for more.
Dude I hope those guys are sponsoring you because that was absolutely the best 'advertisement' section I've ever seen on youtube, its just you actually appreciating the product and sharing why and I didn't want to skip it at all, excellent skill and thanks for your videos, they ground all the mysticism and legend of martial arts into reality.
Problem is that dudes who train get a sense of false confidence, mainly because they eventually have the ability to start toying with less experienced people. Problem is that mostly, you train to fight in a certain way, against someone who is also fighting in a similar fashion. That leads to the exact same results as a boxing match between a boxer and a grappler, and a grappling match between a grappler and a boxer. If you are unable to anticipate how a potentially lethal attack is going to be executed, you won't win. People need to train a bit out of the box more. Games like grappling for control over a knife, or boxing a dude trying to hit you with a pool noodle or something. Keep it real fellas.
If compared to street situations I think even style versus style is not realistic. Good chance whoever you encounter (that has bad intentions) both of you will be clueless how the other is prepared. When you see videos ":Kung Fu vs Judo, etc" both sides knew what the other was trained in and had some idea of what was going to happen.
With the teased courtroom challenge integration to the barfight challenge, the addition of weapons in the hide anf go stab challenge and the updated scoring; I think Mike would've dominated this season! Wish ya couldve been on there Mike! Hope to see ya in season 3
They really do. I think it's unfair to assume that just because you pulled a head kick on a roleplayer that you would also pull on an actual attacker. Especially considering Jeff is an actual professional fighter and life long martial artist, he knows exactly what his kicks would do at full force, and would much rather not send a guy to the hospital that day.
For anyone that doesn't know, the Kung Fu guy (ranton) is seriously the funniest video game reviewer on the platform. 100% recommend anyone check him out
There are a lot of people who say they'll fight anytime, anywhere, but very few who will sign up for this with a week's notice and with a competitor pedigree like UFC and ONE fighters. My man is the Dan Ige of the USDC.
The lineup for the season is really good. The creative ideas and the fact that they all are good fighters really stands out making for really good videos
You had the Zombie-Apocalypse, come on 😂👍🏼😄 and to be fair: he did not pull Guard, he layed down and upkicked. And the Shaolin who never punched someone, he had two in Punch knockout rounds 😂 many surprises, my favorite is the regular Joe 😂
12:35 honestly probably because they were the two who felt like they were actually threatened in these scenarios. For the guys who are actual fighters it would be pretty rare that they actually feel totally and completely out of control in a situation and they just have more confidence in their abilities than the other two and they have all this knowledge of controlling their opponent and are overthinking it while Ranton and Craig are just “I can’t stop him from hurting me so I just need to hurt him more and quicker”
If I'm wearing work boots and canvas work pants, I would absolutely pull guard against a knife. No way you're cutting through canvas pants, and if you're gonna get stabbed, better in the legs. Only issue is if the attacker has friends. You have to have the situational awareness to decide which is more dangerous, getting kicked by a friend of your attacker, or the knife in front of you.
Terrible idea. You have no clue how easy it is to slice legs and feet until they stop working. Only the boots would protect you. Not pants LOL. Life would end just from the leg wounds.
Leg wounds are really, really bad. I’m going to assume you have no idea how much they bleed, but correct me if I’m wrong. That’s not even counting the major artery running down the inside of your leg. Better to take slash wounds on the outside of your arms. But hey, having good clothing to deal with cuts makes it a lot less dangerous to you anyway so long as it’s good quality canvas.
@@DayspringDetectiveAgency I don't dispute that, but it's a risk I'm willing to take if it keeps my neck and organs away from a knife. IF I have sufficient leg protection.
I watch a lot of Ranton videos about his time at the Shaolin temple, and he seems like such a genuinely nice guy. Just like good natured, quick to laugh, doesn't want to hurt anyone. So as much as I love the sport and the art, I wasn't expecting too much because of the way he is. (Like laughing through he whole bar fight thing.) I was so happy to see him unleash some serious head shots in this. Made me really proud of some dude I had never met. The real underdog was the random truck driver. Like what? I know he's had some training and all, but something about a live lived in varied situations, just makes you think about things differently. Sometimes the lack of "formal" training can keep you openminded to options. That dude was pretty damned cool.
The knife scoring can be improved a ton still, but it’s just such a hard thing to simulate right now. A few major points you might cover… What will disable a random stranger with a knife can vary between strangers. The liver kick is a great example, but how many times would the knife attackers have broken noses etc? How many of these slashes and stabs disabled major tendons and muscles and our fighters wouldn’t have made it 10 more seconds? Pulling guard really highlights this IMHO. Jordan got a slice across the back of his hamstring that would have stop his guard multiple times. Knives constantly get stuck in bone or other issues that fuck up weapon retention, the hand swaps and grips the Western Combative folks do would be much harder if this was wet. I think a paradox of the shank tank is that the only way to truly stop a knife attack, with or WITHOUT a blade, is max damage as efficiently as possible. The knife folks have a handicap in their favor every time IMO I have a Sayoc seminar this weekend, maybe I’ll change my opinion. But I think the shank tank is maybe 70% accurate
Final in my pointless string, they need to get better at pointing or retroactively adjusting when they change rules. The bar fight challenge had a moment I was a bit annoyed by. 1 person was accused of excessive force for some aggro but another didn’t get that docked from them after literally pen murdering. I get that the pen is a free point, but in this context in particular it felt cheap
@@t0ssyeah, that part of the pen striking vital organs in a bar altercation being seen as a good thing kinda lost me. Only explanation was that the pen was a sponsor of the event (and of this video as well btw)
Haha! I got pumped for Ranton shaking off the freeze too. Character building moment for the guy. Mike, i've watched you since you were doing Street Beef craziness. Great to see how far you've gone in that time. Keep on trucking bruv.
No one wins against a knife sparring like this simply because your not allowed to k.o him and punch him full force . But he is allowed to stab you. Not simulate pain from being hit inThe face . But if he stabs you your sposed to be ( i am dead ) its like Fighting a Boss with infinite hp .
I also feel like a lot of the time they don’t use enough force with the knife, like they’re getting like 11 stabs in a second but they wouldn’t do much damage
@@Sensei_Frog I’m not sure that you understand the physics of being stabbed by a knife. Stabbing “harder” once won’t do more damage than 10 quick stabs. The blade is still going in multiple inches and you have more chances to hit different arteries/organs
@@monkeyman9856 slight disagree. I think sensei's point was that actually fighting somebody takes more effort/exertion than sparring to score points. Sure a stab is always gonna suck but if you look at real world stabbings, these guys are clearly point scoring since the average stab wounds per attack is something like 5 if I remember right. I don't think its "stabbing harder."
Did they ever teach you to "pull guard" during a knife attack as a patrol officer/SWAT Icy Mike? I'm curious if MP curriculum is similar to the civilian curriculum in that regard.
I remember the first time I saw it taught to me at the MP school I thought the same thing @@hard2hurt until I tested it like in USDC. Thanks for the response, always a pleasure to watch and learn from your videos sir.
@@G-Lenno I'm not speaking on defence of pulling guard or any specific technique or mindset, so don't take this the wrong way. MP and officers/SWAT etc have very different goals than civilians in basically every situation, and that alone already presents a HUGE gap in possible curriculums. I've got no envy to their position, and am thankful for the role they take, for sure. btw, this is based on my very limited personal experience, which comprises of taking part in a few "ride-along"/COP as a volunteering civilian (an experience I absolutely recommend)
@@hard2hurt It's funny I have very little experience with martial arts and when I watched season one I thought just dropping to your back would work but I second-guessed myself because no one actually did it, later when Ramsey Dewy did his review on season1 he said he thought later about what would happen if someone just pulled guard.
@@hard2hurt You aren’t going to react to each episode? I went and looked on your platform and this is the only one. Your breakdowns are entertaining and meaningful. When some of the others react they may have something poignant to say, but you are a goldmine. I enjoyed your feedback on this Mike.
Love your takes on this as well as Seth's. You both have such great points and thoughts on what you can do and what works best. Jordan will never live the crocs down but definitely throwing support for jordan and jesse since ive watched them for years! Such a great season already. Maybe rivaling the first! 😊
Mike I honestly think the best self defence against a knife attack is being a good boxer, and going tippy tappy, Once they are knocked out its OVER, instead of grappling you have to fight for the knife as you get stabbed...
Speaking of which, anyone know of footage of a spontaneous fight breaking out between two trained dudes (or women)? Everything I find is untrained vs trained or untrained vs untrained. Only time I seen trained vs trained go after it it was a "challenge match" type situation.
Except most knife attacks, the attacker only presents the knife when they are in stabbing/grappling range. So being in boxing range isnt always a viable option
It was great watching Ranton finally learn how to flip the switch. I'm in the same boat as I'm a non-violent goofball (which incidentally has saved my ass a couple times). I hope some of the 1st season guys at least get invited back under the more clearly defined scenarios and revised scoring system. I think season 1 will always be considered the hardcore test run, and all the competitors can be the ones to say "Yall have it so easy now!"
In the context of preventing a life ending injury within 20 seconds it worked fine, the logic is sound enough - keeping his vitals further away and putting non-vital blocks between him and the knife. But he got slashed up badly every time and without a 20 second timer he'd just die a couple seconds later than if he hadn't pulled guard.
Going batshit aggressive and striking fear is probably the best answer to knife defense. The running away part seems iffy, not everyone's gonna outrun a motivated killer and it leaves your lungs and spine vulnerable.
probably both. for my part the biggest issue with BJJ is it leaves you open to other people which has already come up in the show. It has specific goals and does them well. whether it's the right tool for self defense is up to debate.
I have to disagree with saying that pulling guard worked on the knife attack. I think the attacker went unusually light on the BJJ guy, he hardly stabbed at him at all.
So much super interesting stuff here. And you're right, it's notable how Ranton and Craig, and to a lesser degree Jesse, are the ones going into these challenges with more of a grounded, this is what it is get out alive mentality compared to the guys more used to competition who have more of a 'need to win the fight' mentality. As for sitting down in a knife attack, I have to imagine there's many factors at play. In a situation where help is near at hand, it might be one of the lowest risk ways to buy a short amount of time. I also wonder how much influence heavy clothing might have a knife attack. Something like a duck work coat I'm wearing in the winter won't stop dedicated thrusts of course, but a lot of the little tiny slices and stabs we see in the shank tank would have trouble getting through it.
I was watching one of those "Caught on Camera" / "Too Hot 4 TV" tapes years ago, someone caught a fight in a parking garage on tape. One guy, the aggressor, got taken down by a double-leg, and the defender quickly put him in a textbook arm bar, with both of their backs on the pavement. The aggressor quickly used his free hand to pull out a knife and started giving the defender's stomach the old pincushion treatment. Luckily there were other guys watching who put a stop to it, but it was clear the defender hadn't considered this possibility
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I think they should do this experiment but with average ppl with some training in different combative... I would love to do this for the educational experience
Grapplers?
@@Changeiscoming647 Ever seen the playlist of IcyMike on his Street Beefz saga?
@Changeiscoming647 I'm sure icy Mike will crush u in a fight ima og fan been watching him for years
And alot of his og fans are great fighters are you if not stfu
@@Changeiscoming647 eh. Not sure what you’re talking about. While Mike is a contrarian and I get frustrated with him, he is qualified. Your basic argument would disqualify people like Cus D’mato (Tyson’s trainer) and John Danaher (Craig Jones and Nikki Rod’s former trainer) from talking about self defense. Mike has a lot of ideas and he was a police officer.
I brought shoes, I just forgot them at the fighter airbnb 😅
I really didn't expect your tactic during the knife attack sequence. Really smart of you!
I see loads of memes on Reddit about BJJ guys pulling guard or buttscooting in the face of a knife attack.
But you ACTUALLY did that, and made it work. Madlad.
I suppose it's a realistic depiction of what BJJ guys defending themselves would be like though.
Doesn’t look pretty but it worked
@@saure22 it didn’t work… he got killed 3 times
@@starmochi9692 he died 3 times
The biggest takeaway from the USDC so far is that Okinawa is the birthplace of karate.
He said the thing!
And that the average Australian is not to be fucked with
So you did not learn that the The Seishin Karate Gi is most comfortable to wear? Maybe we gonna learn in the following episodes
@@hard2hurt Hard2hurt, the birthplace of self defense fun!
@@FuryoTokkoshoAnd makes the best swish noise
Haha loving your reaction my dude ❤
Love you ranton your owned that guy in the shank tank!
love u bro
Thank God they didnt let you edit the USD championship S2 🤣
Change that name to HANDSton
Your not a real monk...
More like drunken master.
Gotta be honest, IcyMike getting hyped for Ranton's hits was making me grin from ear to ear almost as much as Natan turning into the Terminator.
It was so good!
Natan in that barfight episode made me realise how fking dangerous a guy who really knows how to fight truly is. Once switched on he just obliterates the entire room within seconds. Apparently pissing off a ufc fighter is something to avoid.
Same. I feel like Ranton and IcyMike would make a fun duo in a video together lmao
I respect Jordan for committing to BJJ and trying to solve the problems through the lens of that style rather than falling back on his Muay Thai training. It adds more to the competition to really have the defined differences in people's styles and experimenting in approaches.
Ranton is extremely valuable to the show I think because he's like a huge number of martial artists out there. People who have trained - potentially trained really hard - in their styles but never trained to fight. And having to convert that training into a practical situation essentially on the fly. And based on the showing here the answer is...swinging hooks at the head.
And landing them with devastating effect. Loved seeing Rant-On, after he was Rant-Off for the first few challenges (in his own words lol.)
A lot of that Shaolin training would lend someone the athleticism and flexibility to have a leg-up when learning other martial arts, but on its own, I am curious what it would actually accomplish in the hands of someone with a mind for violence. We already saw Ranton throwing those hands like a champ, for instance. I wonder how much of that was just what he's naturally capable of, and how much of it was aided by his training.
You see that even with martial arts masters vs the Chinese gentleman putting them all to the test (for their own good). They just start swinging haymakers and hooks. Their styles are completely forgotten.
@@Naptosisthe training isn't forgotten. Kung fu is full of haymaker-like moves. They just make them look cool.
Nobody tried a 2 on 1 to the wrist of the knife hand…… they need to install a wrestler in the house
@@bryanbeattie2606 A wrestler can't see a crotch that he doesn't want to sniff and that's his back punctured to death.
"The cast was worse"... 😢 Also, flawless Atomic Bear integration in the video 😎 Kudos
To be fair Rokas, you were ALSO part of the first cast, so this is kind of a compliment.
Told you I am the best at that stuff lol
To be fair I do think that the choice of fighters is a little bit unbalanced. You got absolute units like Jeff and Natan who CLEARLY have the edge, but the Aussie dude is REALLY showing some promise! I'm glad that Ranton is there (mostly because I've always wanted to see him in action!). However Icy Mike, you should return to the USDC dude! I ended up watching this series specifically because you and Ramsay Dewey were in it!
@bensweeney5878 the only good thing about this is that we get to see multiple perspectives in their approach to these situations. as a competition, you're dead right. as a way to study what works and what doesn't, and what WE might struggle with in these situations, it's very valuable.
@@bensweeney5878 From Physical Stature this cast is more balanced than the last one which had a weigh bigger variety in size of any kind.
Ranton finding his ability to "flip the switch" is one of my favorite moments in USDC season 3 so far! I was cheering just like Icy Mike when that part happened.
I saw a comment that said something like "New mythical fighter unlocked: Flicked the Switch Ranton" and it was accurate.
@@thecjwolfpackit was my comment! love seeing that happen in mma where certain conditions bring out a different side of the fighter, and as a long time fan of Ranton it was amazing to see him throw down
@@thecjwolfpack if I were to name the unlockable version, it would have been Rant-ON
That “never mind” when Icy Mike realized what he was saying
Classic 😂
The good part is that for a good reader half a word explains all
Don't want to accidentally reveal kill shot to the public =)))
I love how in EVERY reaction and response to Shank Tank season 2 everyone just walks away super proud of Ranton lmao.
1. watch USDC.
2. watch Sensei Seth’s reaction.
3. watch Icy Mike’s reaction.
this is what i call good evening.
I also recommend Ranton's watchalong with Rokas.
Ranton did a watch along which was pretty cool, also ramsey from season 1 made a few videos kind of calling out the show
Natan is frightening! His skills are undeniably crisp and clean, and he’s strong and huge. When he “flips the switch” bodies really do hit the floor
he fights at lightweight tho and weighs only 70 kgs or something. he looks huge on camera tho, like a heavyweight for sure
@@daebibsI doubt that's his walk around weight.
I would guess he walks around at ~180 lb. The way they listed the fighter states in the first episode was not great since they listed fighting weight for the mma fighters and walk around weight for everyone else.
I like that they have a "normal guy" in there this year. I would also like some of the attackers to be "normal guys" as well. Of course there are questions of safety and more, but I agree with Mike's take on the knife switching hands. I believe Icy Mike has a video on people focusing on their weapon when they have one. I believe it is highly likely that someone untrained in any form of combat wouldn't think to switch hands.
It happens about 100x more often in training then outside of training. It happens literally every round in training unless you instruct students not to... and sometimes they still do. In the wild it is extremely rare.
But i feel like if they go out of their way to bring a "normal guy" in they should actually bring a normal guy, Craig did martial arts before and literally had fights in prison. Thats not the average guy imo...
Also, Craig is Australian, basically the automatic equivalent of a jailhouse brawler in America
@@hard2hurtthe fear of losing the death grip they have on the weapon probably overrides their willingness to attempt to switch hands. Or something like that. 🤷♂️
@@heibk-2019Neither Craig or Rokas has said he had prior martial arts experience. Maybe in your social circle a guy like Craig isn’t considered normal, but working in the trades he is 100% typical. I literally apprenticed under a contractor that would bare knuckle brawl in empty barns when he was my age.
Edit: My memory on the first statement wasn't fully accurate. My bad.
In Season 3 I want to see Icy Mike on the aggressors side of the shank tank
No thanks... not now that people have figured out the truth lol.
@@hard2hurt What if season three has the competitors all out of "self-defense gurus" from youtube, showing off their "systems", giving you a huge opportunity to give a taste of "real life" to them?
Considering the fact those guys are all twice his size i think thats easier said than done tbh.
bring Steven Segal
@@olivierlaborde7887He doesn’t care about the law. He’s, “Above the Law”
The biggest problem with the show was NO ICY MIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed.
@@hard2hurt Well, there was a cameo when they showed the atomic bear website. Something is something.
@@hard2hurtseason 3?
Somewhere out there are some zombies that are hiding in fear from Icy Mike!
Next season they should have @hart2hurt come and do live commentary!
You should colaborate with Craig and go kickbox some Australian wildlife.
I think he could probably make videos about mounting televisions and it would be entertaining.
The 'roos all register as 'boxers', but the first thing they do is a double-kick to the face. 😅
yeah craig is now releasing videos on his aussie profile channel, but he seems to indecisive on what direction he should take
My money is on the crocs and sharks.
Yeah manly stuff not filming yourself with your friends doing weird childish "Challenges" some of them do it in their pijamas...
Yeah mounting tvs and drinking beer manly pijama parties playing fighting not so much little bro
Ranton earned that spot in the thumbnail. 🥋 He might not have preformed the best in the challenge but the fact that he realized his mistakes and fought against them 200% is really commendable. (And entertaining) 👍
Mike pissed he didn't get that fighter house
We slept on air mattresses in the gym!
@@hard2hurt sleeping in the gym is for legends!!!
@@hard2hurt the problems pioneers face at anything. without you guys we wouldn't be having more of this. thanks for roughing it out!
You're spot on as usual.
The lesson from the guard pulling is no matter how bad you think your position is, there is something you can do to keep fighting. But no...do not drop to you back when confronted with an attacker.
Natan is my pick to win. That dude is fighting like he was Captain Israel in the elevator.
Intro to USDC Season 2 got the same energy as my class in yr 2 saying *”Good-mor-ning-mis-ter-Sprad-brow”* to our teacher
For real... where was the director?!
They actually made them stand there and say that lmao
Cheering for Ranton. I'm all about the underdogs and the nice guys.
Dude I’m all about Craig this season. Despite me being a karate and Shaolin practitioner who wrestled through middle and high school. Regular Craig is in beast mode.
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I think something to pay attention to in the pulling guard scenario is the red paint. In this scenario, pulling guarding worked because it's a game. There was red paint behind his knee and across the backs of both thighs. The thighs could have cut the hamstrings. The one might the knee would have absolutely cut the ligaments there. So, within a few seconds, his legs would have been next to nonfunctional. He would have been on his back, bleeding out, and unable to move his legs effectively.
But for this game, it was a great strategy. There's nothing wrong with operating within the parameters of the game. So kudos to that. Game vs reality, very different outcome (obviously)
You guys were clearly the trial run. Been watch Seth's reaction vids too, and his reaction to thr fighter house did not disappoint. 😂😂😂
12:15 bro giving killer tips and realising
There was actually a 20ft rule study done with defense experts that had the logic that dropping to the ground is beneficial against a charging knifemen... when you have a gun.
In their scenario, the quick elevation change is to give you time and space to pull and fire as the assailant suddenly have to adjust to having to get past your legs and strike downwards. Not the biggest window of opportunity, but possibly just enough of a delay to successfully pull before getting stabbed.
Maybe Season 3 will be sponsored by Glock and we'll see how it plays out!
My friend's brother inlaw survived a knife attack doing EXACTLY what the JJ guy did (lie on his back). He fell on his back and used his legs way less professionally - 100% untrained. He ended up in hospital from the cuts and stabs, but survived.
1 observation is not a method. It "worked" twice on the show too. Knife survability has more to do with how long it takes to get to the hospital than how well you fight in a lot of cases.
@@101289teutonicguy It worked twice on the show and at least once in real-life...AND as a Piper Knife System instructor, I'd agree with you.
@@101289teutonicguyfax. And where exactly u are stabbed. Which is directly related to how fast u need to get to surgery.
@@101289teutonicguy I’d say it’s more based on luck as to where the knife penetrated. A penetrating wound to an artery can end you within 30 seconds, long before the end of the emergency call is finished.
@@101289teutonicguythere is no knife defence unless you defeat the opponent before they got a chance to attack. You make peace with the fact that you’re going to the hospital (if you’re lucky) there’s no secret technique it’s brutal and terrifying that you can’t do anything
As much as I like all the competitors I have to admit my money's on Craig to win this, he's got that bear in him and he knows when to use it and when to turn it off, I think that's going to go a long way in season 2.
enoughofyourkoicarp- exactly- as Mike said- guys who do hard physical work every day and not as a sport or hobby are strong as hell, plus he is an Ozzy.
He may not be the best fighter but he has the best instincts. In the bar fight one he just left lol. He stoped standing by the “friend”. In the challenge about being aware he was stowing knives in his shorts. Everyone else tends to rely on head to head fights.
I don't know if that's 100% sure but Rokas said on his stream that Craig is not the 100% regular guy because he had some bare knuckle fights in prison. That's even more fun watching him rn haha
His training is considered regular when compared to Jesse, Nathan, Josh, Jeff. However, Craig has high fighting attitute even higher than Nathan.
Mike, thanks for being part of the OG group. You did great and this one is better because of what you brought as an OG.
This new Season of USDC is incredible, but one of my favorite moments from Season 1 was Icy Mike kicking the knife out of a guy's hand- that was badass as fuck
Natan is a scary guy man.
In this context, for sure. He seems nice enough in general. He can really turn it on for these challenges, though. The 2nd episode with the bar fight simulations showed his skills beautifully. Everyone coming close enough to strike caught a fist to the face (helmet) the moment they entered striking range and immediately become less motivated to keep going. The same attitude that Mike is talking about for these knife fights - turning the attack back on them. Scary indeed.
@@shirokku3279 yeah, that’s a huge difference between him and even Jeff, who is also a pro but Jeff hyped himself up a little too much in there bar episode and went straight for the fight before trying to calm it. I saw something say he was idf but can’t confirm, him being an 8-2 pro would definitely have them a little worried and then he threw down lol
@@saure22natan was born in france. Probably a dual french-israeli citizen. Not sure if that would exempt him from the draft but i can't find anything that suggested he was in the idf. He certainly acts like i would expect an idf soldier to.
@@lihchong2267 I also tried to find out more but all I saw is that he moved to Isreal as a toddler. Can’t remember where I saw it tho.
@@lihchong2267 Yeah I couldn’t find anything about it either, just saw a comment saying that, maybe true or not but all I could find out was an mma instructor before becoming pro. It’s something someone said online so we’ll never know unless he speaks about it.
12:15 Mike was about to drop some murder tips but then realised which team he's in
If you haven't figured it out, people, if Mike roasts you then he'll eventually become your best friend. Rokas and Jesse are prime examples of this. Watch Mike and Ranton collaborate soon, even though there is no reason for it seeing as Ranton is mostly a gaming TH-camr.
He is such a good friend with sensei Seth that it keeps roasting him all the time
As a guy these are some of your best friends.
This is how guys are.
They can’t just let mike be the blatant best manliest man fighter man every season… Give that Shaolin monk guy a shot..😂
All I know is when it comes to ZOMBIE defense your performance will NEVER be topped.
mike’s return season 3 💯💯
Only orange M&Ms in my dressing room though.
😂😂😂😂
Ranton - that`s my boy!
@hardtohurt You are the most unbiased and honest critic on youtube. I don't always agree with your opinion, but I always respect it. That's hard to find in a world of "JIU JITSU OR DIE!" and "YEAH BUT WAIT TILL I HIT YOU". I favor striking, but respect grappling. It depends on ones abilities, attributes, will to win, and the circumstances that determine the outcome. I think you really try to look at each scenario and determine what the best way to handle it is. Sometimes it's better to run, sometimes it's better to grapple, sometimes it's better to strike, sometimes you gotta mix it all up a little. Again, I don't always agree with you, but I admire that quality that you have. Thank you for your content.
I predict the most controversial thing from season 2 will be Craig's level of training/experience.
It's definitely up for discussion.
I suspect if he was just some random guy with no training or experience then he'd not really be in the social circle to get pulled into the USDC. And if he were then he'd lack the confidence to take time of work to take part.
@@sirbobulous They have explicitly acknowledged that Craig does have a considerable amount of training. He is nicknamed ''regular guy'' because he represents someone who does martial arts as a hobby, not as a job. Compare to pro mma fighters and kung-fu monks, he is pretty regular.
@@aliberk3112 Thanks, this is I feel not made clear enough, but he does indeed have some training. It's mentioned that he has a job and life outside of martial arts, with only some training. And most of what he's capable of (in terms of martial arts) looks like what you'd find in any dabbler. There's a decent percentage of people like that. Martial Arts are a common enough way that some people get some exercise, even if they don't do anything with those skills beyond the immediate value that training gives them as exercise.
That was me as a teen, for instance. Never took it anywhere, just used kickboxing training as a way to maintain fitness. It had the added benefit of desensitizing my shins a little, so I don't completely wipe out when I bump them against the coffee table. :D
@@shirokku3279 hahah :D is there a way to get that conditioning for my little toes?
Also yes i think they did jeff chan dirty with that pen strike and also the headkick he graciously pulled.
Not really. In a competition ur always fighting the judge (scoring) as much as, if not more so, than the actual opponent
@@newagain9964 uhh yeah. That doesn't negate the fact that robberies exist. What?
@@andrewf6111 a robbery is not a game, kid, but this show is.
@@newagain9964 more nonsense
@@newagain9964 lol, Robbery means when judges unfairly score a competition
Been training BJJ for 10 years and never would’ve thought to pull guard and saw him do it and my mind was blown
Interesting comment. Thanks for sharing. What do you think of the results?
Yeah they seem to have some subjective aspects to some of these. Jesse literally hit this guy's chin and they said he won from striking the eyes, Jeff stabs their eyes with a pen, and actually hit the eyehole, and doesn't? Them doling out knockout punch wins seems entirely random and up to the guy running it. Oh and the "random beer drinking guy" isn't just random, he did a little BJJ, and "sporadically" trains at the guy running the championships facility. So we're not looking at an untrained guy either.
He technically is untrained since he even says that he slacks off
He also had his first boxing fight coming up right after USDC and multiple people mentioned he is a former "prison bare knuckle boxing champion"
I think they definitely oversell the "NORMAL" which you could debate whether or not thats ok, but he also definitely isnt like the most consistently trained member
@@bigbywolf5197 That...that isn't how knowledge works. When you learn something, unless you don't even think about it for years, you will always have a pretty good idea of the broad picture.
@@FirstnameLastname-le9hqmy thoughts exactly lol
That's what I had to say about it, that Jeff should have gotten that point with the atomic bear pen. It is what it is though, and Rokas addressed it nicely.
I love how the S1 members reacting to S2 seem salty 😂😂😂....
I do miss Mike and I hope there is a Redemption Season 💪🏻👍🏻
My biggest takeaway is how tough the “regular Joe” is. That Aussie guy is no joke!
Those quotation marks are important.
@@hard2hurt he is certainly not a regular dude. He understands distance and angles well.
he is friend with the production crew and is one of their self deense trainer for kids.
Well, he is the biggest guy there, and apparently was a bare knuckle boxer in prison, so I would be more scared to fight him than any of these other guys
@@nicholasneyhart396 then I would question your judgement. Nathan and Jeff were a lot of unhinged and brutal . Jessy took down 2- 3 knife attckers and you are afraid of a bare knuckle boxer.
The moment the Icy Mike spotted Jeff utilizing the pen, he felt Jeff should've gotten points from it. As did a large portion of the commenters. Then when he saw Jesse Enkamp get points from the eye strike. Yup. The commenters agreed though they seemed a bit more heated about it. I completely missed the part about Ranton saying the pulling guard was content. He's not wrong but he didn't have say it.
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He put a little crack in the fourth wall with that one.
The dude knew the situation. And prob even tested it some b4 the show. It’s a game. Competitions are a game. Not real life.
Accidentally almost giving viking blood eagle tutorials on TH-cam is crazy.
bjj black belt: "i'll reveal my plan later..."
as he lays on his side prepping to work off his back... in his head: "no one is going see this coming. haha!"
in reality... everyone knew what was coming...
Well to me, they learned a lot of what they did wrong with season one and made improvements for future competitors. So yea, I would be angry too, but I’d say you and the rest of season one made huge strides that made the people see what they were doing wrong. And made it better and safer even for more fighters to want to come back for more.
Dude I hope those guys are sponsoring you because that was absolutely the best 'advertisement' section I've ever seen on youtube, its just you actually appreciating the product and sharing why and I didn't want to skip it at all, excellent skill and thanks for your videos, they ground all the mysticism and legend of martial arts into reality.
Problem is that dudes who train get a sense of false confidence, mainly because they eventually have the ability to start toying with less experienced people. Problem is that mostly, you train to fight in a certain way, against someone who is also fighting in a similar fashion. That leads to the exact same results as a boxing match between a boxer and a grappler, and a grappling match between a grappler and a boxer. If you are unable to anticipate how a potentially lethal attack is going to be executed, you won't win.
People need to train a bit out of the box more. Games like grappling for control over a knife, or boxing a dude trying to hit you with a pool noodle or something. Keep it real fellas.
If compared to street situations I think even style versus style is not realistic. Good chance whoever you encounter (that has bad intentions) both of you will be clueless how the other is prepared. When you see videos ":Kung Fu vs Judo, etc" both sides knew what the other was trained in and had some idea of what was going to happen.
With the teased courtroom challenge integration to the barfight challenge, the addition of weapons in the hide anf go stab challenge and the updated scoring; I think Mike would've dominated this season! Wish ya couldve been on there Mike! Hope to see ya in season 3
I definitely noticed quite a few things that I feel would have been advantages for me... those two things are high up on the list.
Jeff chan got a good head kick too... but pulled it
.. he should jave scored there AND the face stab... they need to do a recount dude
They really do. I think it's unfair to assume that just because you pulled a head kick on a roleplayer that you would also pull on an actual attacker. Especially considering Jeff is an actual professional fighter and life long martial artist, he knows exactly what his kicks would do at full force, and would much rather not send a guy to the hospital that day.
Natan's back kick to shut his attacker down was bad ass
For anyone that doesn't know, the Kung Fu guy (ranton) is seriously the funniest video game reviewer on the platform. 100% recommend anyone check him out
I love how you went from ''Lmao where do you find guys like these?'' to ''Wow, Ranton has a good handle on self defense''
"who's attacking who"
Natan is a beast
That was some A+ commentary. I enjoyed this as much as watching the actual USDC episode.
Craig is such a legend. I want him to win so bad.
I have a feeling a lot of people feel this way.
There are a lot of people who say they'll fight anytime, anywhere, but very few who will sign up for this with a week's notice and with a competitor pedigree like UFC and ONE fighters. My man is the Dan Ige of the USDC.
The lineup for the season is really good. The creative ideas and the fact that they all are good fighters really stands out making for really good videos
Rokas should have got Mike to do commentary! LOL
My god you are, by far, the best TH-camr when it comes to making your ads part of the video. Great commentary.
Craig has the same energy as the guy that ine 2nd place in pistol at the olympics.
Great Breakdown, Thank you!
You had the Zombie-Apocalypse, come on 😂👍🏼😄 and to be fair: he did not pull Guard, he layed down and upkicked. And the Shaolin who never punched someone, he had two in Punch knockout rounds 😂 many surprises, my favorite is the regular Joe 😂
12:35 honestly probably because they were the two who felt like they were actually threatened in these scenarios. For the guys who are actual fighters it would be pretty rare that they actually feel totally and completely out of control in a situation and they just have more confidence in their abilities than the other two and they have all this knowledge of controlling their opponent and are overthinking it while Ranton and Craig are just “I can’t stop him from hurting me so I just need to hurt him more and quicker”
If I'm wearing work boots and canvas work pants, I would absolutely pull guard against a knife. No way you're cutting through canvas pants, and if you're gonna get stabbed, better in the legs. Only issue is if the attacker has friends. You have to have the situational awareness to decide which is more dangerous, getting kicked by a friend of your attacker, or the knife in front of you.
Terrible idea. You have no clue how easy it is to slice legs and feet until they stop working. Only the boots would protect you. Not pants LOL.
Life would end just from the leg wounds.
@sagnorm1863 go try cutting canvas with a knife. Unless your knife is unbelievably sharp and someone is holding it perfectly taught, it will not cut.
Leg wounds are really, really bad. I’m going to assume you have no idea how much they bleed, but correct me if I’m wrong. That’s not even counting the major artery running down the inside of your leg. Better to take slash wounds on the outside of your arms.
But hey, having good clothing to deal with cuts makes it a lot less dangerous to you anyway so long as it’s good quality canvas.
@@DayspringDetectiveAgency I don't dispute that, but it's a risk I'm willing to take if it keeps my neck and organs away from a knife. IF I have sufficient leg protection.
I watch a lot of Ranton videos about his time at the Shaolin temple, and he seems like such a genuinely nice guy. Just like good natured, quick to laugh, doesn't want to hurt anyone. So as much as I love the sport and the art, I wasn't expecting too much because of the way he is. (Like laughing through he whole bar fight thing.) I was so happy to see him unleash some serious head shots in this. Made me really proud of some dude I had never met.
The real underdog was the random truck driver. Like what? I know he's had some training and all, but something about a live lived in varied situations, just makes you think about things differently. Sometimes the lack of "formal" training can keep you openminded to options. That dude was pretty damned cool.
The knife scoring can be improved a ton still, but it’s just such a hard thing to simulate right now. A few major points you might cover…
What will disable a random stranger with a knife can vary between strangers. The liver kick is a great example, but how many times would the knife attackers have broken noses etc?
How many of these slashes and stabs disabled major tendons and muscles and our fighters wouldn’t have made it 10 more seconds?
Pulling guard really highlights this IMHO. Jordan got a slice across the back of his hamstring that would have stop his guard multiple times.
Knives constantly get stuck in bone or other issues that fuck up weapon retention, the hand swaps and grips the Western Combative folks do would be much harder if this was wet.
I think a paradox of the shank tank is that the only way to truly stop a knife attack, with or WITHOUT a blade, is max damage as efficiently as possible. The knife folks have a handicap in their favor every time IMO
I have a Sayoc seminar this weekend, maybe I’ll change my opinion. But I think the shank tank is maybe 70% accurate
Side note as a bjj lover, leave it to the BJJ guy to exploit the rules and stall
Final in my pointless string, they need to get better at pointing or retroactively adjusting when they change rules. The bar fight challenge had a moment I was a bit annoyed by.
1 person was accused of excessive force for some aggro but another didn’t get that docked from them after literally pen murdering.
I get that the pen is a free point, but in this context in particular it felt cheap
@@t0ssyeah, that part of the pen striking vital organs in a bar altercation being seen as a good thing kinda lost me. Only explanation was that the pen was a sponsor of the event (and of this video as well btw)
50% accurate. And most of that being those 2 (?) defenders that were the aggressors. Also, don’t know how used up the attackers were.
Haha! I got pumped for Ranton shaking off the freeze too. Character building moment for the guy.
Mike, i've watched you since you were doing Street Beef craziness. Great to see how far you've gone in that time. Keep on trucking bruv.
No one wins against a knife sparring like this simply because your not allowed to k.o him and punch him full force . But he is allowed to stab you. Not simulate pain from being hit inThe face . But if he stabs you your sposed to be ( i am dead ) its like Fighting a Boss with infinite hp .
Except Natan who literally ko’d a guy
@@juanmejiagomez5514 in the gym your thinking of your sparring partner safety .
I also feel like a lot of the time they don’t use enough force with the knife, like they’re getting like 11 stabs in a second but they wouldn’t do much damage
@@Sensei_Frog I’m not sure that you understand the physics of being stabbed by a knife. Stabbing “harder” once won’t do more damage than 10 quick stabs. The blade is still going in multiple inches and you have more chances to hit different arteries/organs
@@monkeyman9856 slight disagree. I think sensei's point was that actually fighting somebody takes more effort/exertion than sparring to score points. Sure a stab is always gonna suck but if you look at real world stabbings, these guys are clearly point scoring since the average stab wounds per attack is something like 5 if I remember right. I don't think its "stabbing harder."
Watching Ranton gave me goosebumps and reminded me of my first fight. But.. Jordan pulling guard and giving it to them with upkicks. Just wow!
Did they ever teach you to "pull guard" during a knife attack as a patrol officer/SWAT Icy Mike? I'm curious if MP curriculum is similar to the civilian curriculum in that regard.
It was the first thing I thought... but then I dismissed it as too ridiculous.
I remember the first time I saw it taught to me at the MP school I thought the same thing @@hard2hurt until I tested it like in USDC. Thanks for the response, always a pleasure to watch and learn from your videos sir.
@@G-Lenno I'm not speaking on defence of pulling guard or any specific technique or mindset, so don't take this the wrong way.
MP and officers/SWAT etc have very different goals than civilians in basically every situation, and that alone already presents a HUGE gap in possible curriculums. I've got no envy to their position, and am thankful for the role they take, for sure.
btw, this is based on my very limited personal experience, which comprises of taking part in a few "ride-along"/COP as a volunteering civilian (an experience I absolutely recommend)
@@hard2hurt It's funny I have very little experience with martial arts and when I watched season one I thought just dropping to your back would work but I second-guessed myself because no one actually did it, later when Ramsey Dewy did his review on season1 he said he thought later about what would happen if someone just pulled guard.
@hard2hurt what about going to the ground to draw your weapon. Like Doug Marcaida vs instructor Zero
"Jeff Phillips is an excellent Dungeon Master" went straight to my heart ❤️
Would love to see your reaction to the bar fights.
They were awesome. React over lol.
@@hard2hurt
You aren’t going to react to each episode? I went and looked on your platform and this is the only one. Your breakdowns are entertaining and meaningful. When some of the others react they may have something poignant to say, but you are a goldmine. I enjoyed your feedback on this Mike.
Love your takes on this as well as Seth's. You both have such great points and thoughts on what you can do and what works best. Jordan will never live the crocs down but definitely throwing support for jordan and jesse since ive watched them for years! Such a great season already. Maybe rivaling the first! 😊
alright mike time to oil up in your first challenge
That's not a bad plan.
@@hard2hurt The olive oil bottle makes a decent improvised 'bonker/poker' too, once the attacker sees you're done lathering up, and attacks. 😅
@@Naptosisever seen cops try to catch those guys? It’s low key legit if you somehow were in a scenario that allowed you to oil up
Simulating a Diddy party?
Craig is my favorite of the bunch! It's also interesting how Ranton is more of a regular person than the regular person 😆
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Pulling guard is probably way more effective wearing stilletto heels
11:22 THANK YOU
Mike I honestly think the best self defence against a knife attack is being a good boxer, and going tippy tappy, Once they are knocked out its OVER, instead of grappling you have to fight for the knife as you get stabbed...
Yeah. I can see that. but if the attacker is trained, it's hard to say
@@takubutung1717 Most trained fighters are not gonna pull out a knife in a street fight.
Speaking of which, anyone know of footage of a spontaneous fight breaking out between two trained dudes (or women)? Everything I find is untrained vs trained or untrained vs untrained. Only time I seen trained vs trained go after it it was a "challenge match" type situation.
Except most knife attacks, the attacker only presents the knife when they are in stabbing/grappling range. So being in boxing range isnt always a viable option
It was great watching Ranton finally learn how to flip the switch. I'm in the same boat as I'm a non-violent goofball (which incidentally has saved my ass a couple times). I hope some of the 1st season guys at least get invited back under the more clearly defined scenarios and revised scoring system. I think season 1 will always be considered the hardcore test run, and all the competitors can be the ones to say "Yall have it so easy now!"
Jiujiteiros is how we brazilians call the Jiujitsu praticioneers, and is actually right.
Ranton is such a laid-back guy that seeing him lock in like that was a surprise
they did jeff wrong. he made 4 points there
Great video!
Pulling guard is so dumb, it'll protect your organs... sure, but once your legs are sliced up you are left immobilized and bleeding to death
In the context of preventing a life ending injury within 20 seconds it worked fine, the logic is sound enough - keeping his vitals further away and putting non-vital blocks between him and the knife.
But he got slashed up badly every time and without a 20 second timer he'd just die a couple seconds later than if he hadn't pulled guard.
And it presents a perfect opportunity to jab at the femorals IRL.
It's dumb imo. Prevents from running and having escape routes and if the guy target your legs he is still winning
Going batshit aggressive and striking fear is probably the best answer to knife defense. The running away part seems iffy, not everyone's gonna outrun a motivated killer and it leaves your lungs and spine vulnerable.
@@putinski666 100%, Craig and Ranton said it best "you're gonna get stabbed regardless"
So happy for some commentary on this lol
If You can't pull guard without shoes against a knife attack then You can't fight
They are forgetting.. knife can be thrown too..and dodging that while laying down, not possible
That intro was hilarious 😂😂😂😂
whats with the BJJ hate? ive been seeing it more and more lately. is it a meme or are there legit criticisms?
probably both. for my part the biggest issue with BJJ is it leaves you open to other people which has already come up in the show. It has specific goals and does them well. whether it's the right tool for self defense is up to debate.
I wish you would have showed more Ranton's match. He killed it.
Pulling guard surviving for longer but femoral artery exists
Yeah and so does the heart
Better then getting stabbed in the chest
No it's not you die in 3 minutes
@@danielteixeira309You can CAT your legs, can't CAT your heart
Jordan did some ninja level open guard there. He made it look easier than likely would be for most people.
I have to disagree with saying that pulling guard worked on the knife attack. I think the attacker went unusually light on the BJJ guy, he hardly stabbed at him at all.
I think it was in a community post but Rokas did acknowledge that Jeff’s pen stab to the eye should’ve been a fight stopper
once again mike is the best knife offense coach.
So much super interesting stuff here. And you're right, it's notable how Ranton and Craig, and to a lesser degree Jesse, are the ones going into these challenges with more of a grounded, this is what it is get out alive mentality compared to the guys more used to competition who have more of a 'need to win the fight' mentality.
As for sitting down in a knife attack, I have to imagine there's many factors at play. In a situation where help is near at hand, it might be one of the lowest risk ways to buy a short amount of time. I also wonder how much influence heavy clothing might have a knife attack. Something like a duck work coat I'm wearing in the winter won't stop dedicated thrusts of course, but a lot of the little tiny slices and stabs we see in the shank tank would have trouble getting through it.
I was watching one of those "Caught on Camera" / "Too Hot 4 TV" tapes years ago, someone caught a fight in a parking garage on tape. One guy, the aggressor, got taken down by a double-leg, and the defender quickly put him in a textbook arm bar, with both of their backs on the pavement. The aggressor quickly used his free hand to pull out a knife and started giving the defender's stomach the old pincushion treatment. Luckily there were other guys watching who put a stop to it, but it was clear the defender hadn't considered this possibility