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I see untrained fighters beat trained fighters almost every event we throw. There are a lot of factors at play in a REAL fight.
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@@ddwfw probably he said it like: not sparring
@@ddwfw outside of training.
Good point to always remember! That's why ALL fighters: trained or not trained should avoid random fights as much as possible. Even if you're sure the other guy has no weapons. Even when you're sure his friends won't jump on you. You can still lose to some random. And then the consequences can be pretty bad...
@@AntonAdelson 100%
YOU never know what your opponent knows or is capable of. Avoid confrontation on the street whenever possible, and make sure you stay trained just incase you can't get away from the confrontation.
The Lamb is listed as 5’9 in his first fight and 5’8 in the second. He lost an inch on the same afternoon. Truly one of the most unique fighters I’ve ever seen 😅
getting bonked on the head makes you lose an inch apparently lol
I've seen weight cutting but DAMN.
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@@sossage shape-shifter? 😂🤣😂🤣😂
ay man i just uploaded my first ever fight please lmk what i can work on if you can check it out 🔥🔥🥊
Everyone pumping strength and agility while Lamb putting all his stat points in luck.
Should be top comment!
@@thepolter316 its his first fight, he hasn't built up his reflexes yet, it was luck.
@@thepolter316 are you his dad or something?
Luck is the most important stat in a fight -- or in life, generally.
Bro min-maxed intelligently.
The aggression works for him, too
@@paulpolito2001 Nah. Luck doesn't really matter much. Economists did an analysis of car dealerships and categorized them based on how lucky or unlucky they were. There were super successful car dealerships with terrible bad luck, and "lucky" dealerships which weren't very successful. What defines you isn't how much random stuff happens. It's how you react. Did you capitalize on your lucky moments? Did you work harder or more creatively to make up for your bad luck? Your effort, determination, and will are way more valuable than luck.
"the trap of 'always' and 'never'" is a profound concept beyond fighting. I think it's a cognitive trap we all fall into in life.
All is a concept
@@johncampbelltattoos2494 ur mom is a concept
Pretty much nothing is binary. Once you know that, you can avoid these traps
Everything is circumstantial and there are exceptions to every rule
@@pullupthen5073 i forget where i heard it first but someone once told me “there are exceptions to every rule, even this one”
I love how you made sure not to call the first guy the same thing twice.
"Battle Pony" was my personal favorite.
Went from War Pony, to God of War, to Dogg Pound Records.
At least Mike didn’t call him “War Machine.”
Makes me wonder if his name was actually Trojan horse in the first place
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I once heard about a rule in historical fencing: "A true master is someone who can beat three rookies, three other masters, and three lunatics." The idea being that you should be able to fight people at any skill level, with any level of motivation. I mean yes, you might be able to fight off a fellow fencer who cares about his life and safety, but it's very hard to fight off a crazy person who doesn't know what he's doing, but is willing to throw himself on your sword to get a hit in.
Now Lamb is most likely not THAT motivated, but he does fall into the "lunatic" category in that he's clearly tough as bricks yet doesn't fight like a trained fighter, eating fists and getting grabbed as he tries his best. Basically, he's a nightmare to rookies who don't know how to deal with people on that spectrum. I know I wouldn't wanna fight him!
As a former fencer last thing I expected was the amount of fencing mentioned in these comments!
In fencing it is even worse than in unarmed fighting. The guy giving up his head to slash at your legs does not need good structure to ruin your life forever. With a blade, even a bad hit is really dangerous.
We sometimes train like that, making one guy wearing all the protective gear we have, and then go for stupid kamikaze atacks.
@@AntonAdelson True. Had I seen the comments first, I wouldn't have bothered to leave mine. lol
I heard that quote as "three rookies, three masters and three drunks" but yeah. As a Fioreist, Lichtenauer was legit
Fighting games have something similar. If you are like a regular guy who is trying to learn fighting games it can be very hard to beat random bs.
There’s an old fencing rule that experienced and skilled fencers will always beat intermediate fencers, but will sometimes have problems facing first-timers. Because those guys are doing wild and crazy shit that you don’t see from more experienced fighters.
Does that mean that you should flail around randomly too? No it doesn’t. Because what people like The Lamb is doing is mixing in some low percentage high risk moves among their normal and their useless moves. Experienced fencers don’t like low percentage high risk moves, so they don’t practice them, and as a consequence they don’t practice against them. If you lived back in times where duels and streetfights involved sometimes swordfighting total randos, you would probably be smart to include going against determined low-skill opponents as part of your curriculum.
One more parable. Poker. In games where every player is skilled and will play each other again, everybody will be careful and know the odds of outcomes and won’t bet the farm on something they know is a one-in-13. But on a table with randos from the internet, a majority of the players might be guys who learned to play watching Bond movies, and they will. At a table with one careful skilled player and five crazy cowboys, chances are one of the crazy cowboys is going to hit his long shot and take everybody to the cleaners. When more players take bigger chances, chance is going to have a bigger say in the outcome.
Now, The Lamb is obviously athletic. He’s fast and strong and can hit. But he’s got one more thing going for him, and that is playfulness. He’s going in with a very jazz mindset, he’s planning to fool around and improvise, and that lets him adapt to shitty circumstances, it lets him be creative. And that is valuable regardless of your skill level. I remember that junior instructor who would absolutely embarrass me in light sparring, he could hit me anywhere anytime in any which way, sweep me, kick me, sell me on any feint, totally own me. And then that one time when we had an actual match in the club tournament … he still won, but he kinda struggled. And I’m not saying that I was better ”under pressure”, because I wasn’t. I didn’t do a lot better than expected against anybody else, but this guy … Well, I think he wanted to win really badly, he stopped fooling around trying out new things, he stuck to his favorite moves, and his level of predictability went from close to zero, to kinda manageable.
So there’s my take away from this. Low percentage high risk moves are crap-shoots. Don’t build your strategy on them. But train against dumb shit, because you can’t count on every opponent being ”smart” about their fighting. Also, try to fight as if you enjoyed it, even when you don’t.
Wonderful exposé
I am so glad I scrolled down, you made all of the points I was going to make, but better and with better examples. Well said.
This is so well put and so many martial artist should consider everything you’ve said here.
Awesome comment dude
Great ideas and analysis
The biggest lesson I see here is how easy it is to get knocked out by a well placed punch that turns your head. So you have to be conscious of that and protect your head even if you think you're winning the fight from mount or your opponent "sucks at fighting". Lamb definitely has the ability to keep fighting through stuff that would make msot people just cover up and get their ass beat, and even with his "terrible" technique, seems to be able to land a punch where he wants it to land even with what look like totally wild swings. So I don't think this says much about whether doing things the wong way actual works. If you gave Lamb 6 months of professional coaching, he'd just be much better. It's more that despite doing things the wrong way, you can still knock someone out with a bit of luck and a lot of toughness. And as mike pointed out, the guys he beat had some training, but both had lamb in positions where a more trained fighter would likely have won, but they didn't know quite enough to finish him out.
Icey Mike loves to shit on the guys posting in the TH-cam comments, but I think your analysis is absolutely spot on mate x'D
Bury that chin, ya.
My coach is a big believer on defense > above everything. He is a seasoned mma fighter (ex ufc), didn’t have a perfect record but this was old school mma. You can be lazy with your offence but you can’t be lazy with your defense. Untrained dudes are more aggressives because they don’t fully gauge the risks, trained guys are a bit more hesitant and are always on the lookout for a perfect opportunity to land. When you spar in the gym you are going against a guy who also understands the risks and is not gonna charge forward like a maniac. Street beefs is a good example that although you might be “trained”, you are not unbeatable. Sparring trained guys you expect them to jab, kick, measure distance first before going full out.
Street “fighters” won’t play this dance and will be very aggressive and explosive, in a similar manner to bjj first timers just trying to brute force their way out of positions. However in bjj you won’t get choked or finished by them because no matter how strong/tough if you don’t know the proper technique you won’t finish anyone. In stand up, there’s always a chance of the “punch you don’t see coming”.
Honestly, the best way to deal with someone that aggressive and untrained is to take them down and put them in uncomfortable positions until they tire themselves out and then you finish. I think both dudes had the right idea but first one got to impatient and got caught rushing the finish, while second one just got caught by that overhand on round 2. Also TEEPS, teep the fuck out of someone running straight to you. Use your legs as your first line of defense ALWAYS.
Well said
I agree
Lamb is the epitome of “punchers chance” if you aren’t finishing it he’ll catch you eventually
It's amazing how much this overlaps with button mashing in fighting games. The competitor that's learning how to fight "properly" and is in the early stages of putting the theory into work just get DESTROYED by the wild shit the total novice / button masher does, yet if they went up against even the most average of veterans they'd get bodied.
Omg this is exactly it
"They'd get bodied" is the same error as "always" and "never." There is always a Buster Douglas out there.
@PJ Rivera You're missing his point
"WHY WOULD HE DO THAT!?!?" 😄
his point was things are not "always" and "never" and he used mike tyson as an example of when he looked unbeatable and then got beat when he was the favorite. On any given day anyone can lose to a random. Like how Tyson did. Then you replied with buster douglas doesn't count but then agreed to the fact that he was a random because he lost to other top heavyweights.
The Lamb had pinpoint accuracy with both of his knockouts. When most people would panic in bad situations and get into "survival" mode it seems like his default is to panic and then get into "headhunting" mode.
Not to mention he actual has good power in his hands with a little training he could go pro.
He’s probably had a lot of normal street fights
Neither opponent had a chin either 🤷🤣
He got really lucky, twice
@@ky-passley4769don’t know bout that
In video games, particularly fighting games, you have something called "the meta", which is the set of most effective strategies that evolved to counter other winning strategies. Every now and then the meta can change because somebody realises you can do some wild shit that nobody thought up before. I think there's a similar thing going on in real life, which is that a lot of fighting styles developed to fight other people using those fighting styles. They will also wreck ordinary people who don't know what they are doing, but they've evolved under the pressure of competition. This builds up moves you do based on what moves another guy is doing. It's entirely possible that someone can break the meta by doing something that would ordinarily be stupid, because everyone else's fighting style is highly optimized to specifically deal with opponents doing things the correct way. It's like everyone's playing rock, paper, scissors, and someone turns up and starts slapping everyone with a fish.
Thumbs up just for that last image.
I'd also just add in, that people just don't know how to "Lame" out newbies. It's an important skill as a high level FGC *Fighting game community* player to have.
@@MrfunnyNacho Could you please elaborate on what you mean by "lame out newbies"? Do you just mean staying out of their range and letting them wear themselves out because they haven't built stamina as a fighter would've?
@@3nertia encompassing basically what we're all saying. In anything, there's certain patterns that people who are new to things "generally" follow. A key mistake intermediate to advanced people make in w.e it is....is that they won't learn what those patterns are and get overwhelmed with sporadic movement(spazzy white belts), inputs in (fighting games) or just about anything. As a remedy, "laming" out could mean in a fighting game identifying this new player literally never blocks low strikes, and just spamming launchers that hit for *low* (Tekken) or just hard hitting low strikes. Thats what I mean by "laming out"
@@3nertia if we're talking about fighting, if you're comfortable with bobbing and weaving you could play defensively and let them tire themselves out. If it's grappling I could sit on top half guard and let them carry my weight to tire them out, all are "laming out"
In weapons based competitions, there is this concept of the charging bull. There are several videos on it. I think it is that idea of an untrained fighter as being unpredictable that applies here. The Lamb does not have a prescribed set of responses, so, when he sees an opening he responds reflexively.
funny thing is that this is mentioned in many old fighting manuals and treaties, but easily dismissed, because they will tend to just run into your blade and impale themselves, they say. But now with non-lethal encounters this great disadvantageand esay resolution is taken away and the charging bull becomes more of a problem.
@@camfer9616 the counter is the same. A guy comes swinging wildly with little strategy, just counter. However people are getting too caught up in trying to set things up when they coulda just outstruck him
The thing with the lamb is that he's so inexperienced he literally doesn't know when he's losing so he's just always going 100% with his offense. It's honestly kind of inspiring it reminds me of the Romans during the first Punic war. How do you beat someone that never feels like they've lost?
The historical accounts of the "Waterloo duels" showed the French officers losing most of their duels with the British officers, the latter described as "totally helpless at fencing" by the Duke of Wellington, the Brits would charge at the French with total disregard to their own lives and it was only after the French adjusted their strategy to fight against the utter unskilled Brits that they started to find success again.
There's probably the argument to be made that self defense/martial arts should teach you how to fight skilled fighters and utterly unskilled people.
I found this out when I was training for some white collar event in 2020 (that got cancelled coz of the covids unfortunately), I had a few amateur fights before about 7 years prior and kept up boxing and Thai boxing as a hobby. Most other guys were just younger scrappers with no boxing experience. in the first couple of sparring sessions I ate a couple of big right hands that just managed to land out of shear flailing determined aggression. I kind of went into it a bit arrogant and did not fully switched on, but after that I realised I had to turn up aggression immediately to force some respect before we could have a profitable sparring session.
yeah! i watch some beginner Muay Thai training videos, they teach blocks using your legs... but in my head.. this would only come in handy only against people who do Muay Thai too! not untrained people.. untrained people would just go throw wild swings at you
If these duels took place at Waterloo, then what opportunity was there for the French to improve their tactics and come back for another go afterwards?
@@MetalCooking666 Northern France was occupied by the Coalition Army in 1815 following the return of Napoleon from exile, the occupation lasted until 1818.
@@areallybigdwarf4560 you said these duels took place at Waterloo. That was one battle in 1815, and it took place in what was then Dutch territory and now part of the Netherlands, ie not France
Thinking outside the box can always be useful, but you should always know your basics and the power tactics because more often than not you will encounter them most of the time.
I think this is a good example of the power of unpredictability. Like, the guy did things that weren’t conventional that you’d learn in a gym sparring or on the mat. The other guys probably trained for technical opponents. They probably practiced doing techniques perfect against other guys trying to do the same techniques perfectly as well and focused hard on that. It was probably a shock to see someone who had their hands down and swinging from the bottom. He didn’t seem more athletic either (could be wrong of course) so I don’t think that factors in.
I think this shows why it is paramount to focus principles and strategy above technique (or course you need to train that too). For martial arts and definitely self defense. Because it all is so unpredictable.
Could be wrong, just my opinion.
Remeber the Yoel Romero vs Paulo Costa fight? in that fight Yoel Threw punches on cazy angles, and they still landed. When Boxing is taught a certain way you try and predict certain paters when you play by that game. If someone swings with camouflaged/deceptive short angles and power it almost always lands.
Another example i have is sparring from Saenchai vs Buakaw. But are having on that video obviously fun while keeping it low. But Buakaw is throwing some crazy almost stiff wild swings. And they almost always lands.
In my opinion always. A trained eye expects patterns, where in the otherhand on a "street" fight its just mayhem
@@gyzmiac424
I agree with you guys in part, but also disagree in part. While I think its appropriate to criticize training people for certain (trained) patterns too hard, I don't think the issue is training for those patterns, but instead not training for what you're likely to see. Once you start training for "wild and unpredictable," then "wild and unpredictable" ceases to be wild and unpredictable and becomes tame and predictable. It makes sense that you're going to train for what you expect to see, and most people just look at the past and say "I saw this in the past, therefore I expect the future to emulate the past." That's not a stupid strategy, but it is obviously wrong. The issue here is that you have to predict (determine what patterns) the unpredictable (your opponent is likely to show you). And it should be fairly obvious that the more you train, the more your opponent should be trying to switch it up to show you something you haven't seen. This is the reason why Grand Masters in chess prepare openings against their opponents so much--simply because they want to play an opening move that their opponent hasn't seen/prepared for such that they gain an advantage--however slight--simply by being better prepared. This doesn't mean you should throw caution to the wind and do stupid shit, it means that you should prepare yourself for the things you're not going to expect (however impossible that goal actually is, it is the pursuit that matters).
So if you get hit with some shit that was unpredictable, that doesn't mean you "trained too much," It doesn't mean that your training was "stupid." It was simply that you didn't spend time on the mistake that was going to cost you the match. Obviously its impossible to do that in every aspect, but the goal isn't to be impervious because that's an impossible goal. The goal is to be more impervious than you were the day before.
I think this is more a testament of how what most people think are the fundamentals of fighting actually aren't. Everything defaults back to spacing and timing and positioning. If Red X noticed that Lamb was wound up for that massive hit, and he was right in his sights, and opted for lateral movement to get on the outside of his bladed stance, that threat would have been mitigated.
If you only do drills / light sparing that will happen, but if you do some hard sparing from time to time, or even medium intensity sparing, or even better if you have just a couple of fights, it will highly increase your awareness to the unpredictability of real combat because you've already been exposed to the real stuff. The amount of fatigue, adrenaline and anxiety you will face in a fight / hard sparing will lead to more wild and unconventional techniques being thrown, thus preparing you for that unpredictability you are talking about.
Of course it is crucial you have a strategy in mind, but I think what I've describe is enough to get you prepared for the crazy shit untrained fighters will throw at you, at least for me that has been the case.
His problem is he chose to grapple with him, to the ground, humans are naturally better at grappling than they are at striking, he should have used knees in the clinch and boxed him out the clinch, he wasn’t stood ready in a boxers position dur in the KO stage, and he walked too close, a Muay Thai fighter would have waited and teeped the moment he adjusted his foot before he threw the punch, and I could be wrong but a grappler would probably not have lifted up and punched down on him like that, would he not have kept him locked and thrown a punch or 2 and when he punches back lock him again? Dunno about grappling
Omg ! Watching Red X's slow motion full body shut down was amazing. You can tell he was really fighting and trying not to go lights out.
Great video. To be fair to the two guys that got KO'd they may be "doing everything right" BUT they are inexperienced. In this situation with an inexperienced fighter Lamb's confidence and athleticism got him the W. Lamb had no mental barriers or inhibitions. Interestingly I think conventional training for Lamb would make him less dangerous
I think many professions it’s true that a little bit of training is way more dangerous than someone who hasn’t trained at all. Mediocre to bad technique with good timing beats good technique that is slow. If War Horse or Red X had thought less and just been aggressive more, they might would’ve fared better.
That’s what I was thinking, he seemed a bit stiff and I guess it comes down to mind set.
@@mitchjames9350 he was trying to do stuff the right way instead of just doing stuff. Dont gotta do all this fancy stuff to beat a novice. They wont understand the traps you set and wont be able to attack places a more experienced opponent would.
Red X especially hesitated for a painfully long time in front of that weird stance. Had he taken the initiative, he would probably have won the fight.
@@e.zponder7526 Yeah 100%, both guys just stood there when Lamb was doing something weird instead of just hitting him, it's a lack of exposure to guys who aren't doing things the "correct" way in the mindset of the MMA style.
@@j.murphy4884 Nah the Lamb is also the goat
Lesson of the day: some people are “built different”
Never the guys that tell you they are though.
LMBO tbh, I've always thought why don't ppl throw punches on the bottom, while being mounted on. It creates extra walls and barriers for the person ontop to get through. And would allow you to make more openings to escape. *shrugs*
So we're just gonna call War Horse a different name everytime. 🤣
Best part of the video!!
That was hilarious 😂
Hey man that’s Iron Maiden you’re talking about lol
The Lamb was unpredictible (and it seems his athleticism is off the charts).
"Never do what an opponent expects you to do."
"A fight is all about who is left standing. Nothing else."
This happens a lot when weapons sparring with newbies. Under normal conditions with someone even with a bit of experience, there is a certain expection that your opponent will have some concept of self preservation. The experienced guy will often rule out certain attacks happening as it wouldn't follow the usual pattern of moves due to it leaving the opponent exposed. However because the inexperienced guy is free from these constraints anything then goes even if it puts himself at risk. This is why double hits in weapon sparring is so common in this sort of setting with a beginners because they will not defend any attacks and just go in all kamikaze, attacking any way they can.
This is where the difference is with someone with this mindset as he is 100% only thinking about attacking, which is more akin to an attack on the street. Whereas someone trained is generally 50/50.
I think if you can learn anything it's that sometimes sheer grit and physical conditioning can make poor biomechanics work, if you're in a compromised position where you're not able to use your full strength-- well maybe 20% of your strength can still knock a guy out. I think it also shows the importance of a never-say-die attitude, doesn't matter if he has a good mount, keep fighting, doesn't matter if he almost has you in an arm bar, keep fighting.
I think it also validates the old addage that a skilled swordsman shouldn't fear another skilled swordsman because they've read all the same manuals, he should fear the amateur who is going to do something that makes no sense he's not ready for-- like using a nearly completed arm bar as a lever to throw a guy into the wall or from an unorthodox stance throw a haymaker that starts in the suburbs and takes two trains and a bus to get to your face.
the haymaker taking trains got me hahahaha props
This illustrates why it’s so important to spar with people who are brand new and extremely spazzy. You need to feel the chaos of a untrained athletic fighter. Good technique in my opinion is the answer, and it needs to be tested at all levels. From the brand new spaz all the way up to the black belt killer.
If I ever go on Street beefs I think "brand new spaz" will be my fighting name 🤣
@@niadavies1539 legit technique
Im sorry this had me lmao, no disrespect to these guys, i couldnt do this, its just funny this guy is rediculous but has a good arm, reminds me of Chuck Lidell
from my personal experience, the best way to fight someone whos doing something youre not used to is just defense and waiting for an opening, unconventionality can only get you so far if you have no formal training and will most likely not break through someone who is using good defense, then its simply a waiting game until theyre tired or open
EXACTLY. Sometimes it’s good to just bounce around defensively and just see what happens if you don’t know what to do. Also good if someone just has your timing down, just disengage bounce around and try to change the rhythm and see what happens see if there’s any new avenues of attack. Make it boring
Exactly patience is key for fighting un conventional people
I think the lamb was more focused on winning while war horse and red x wanted to apply what they learned.
War and x had too many minds while lamb had one.
ahhhh The Lamb is what I call "got games" it's a slightly different skill than good technics in martial arts or being strong or durable. its a man who is used to/or made for direct confrontation with another human and gained more ability to pull off mind games and wild moves. its at time confused with luck, but u dont get lucky twice. this man will go far if he can learn some technic and still retain his games.
Jiri Prochazka comes to mind
@@deletus2460 Jiri would be listed in the dictionary for the term "got game"
I have NO ground game whatsoever. So to answer your question, my ignorant, layman strategy of escaping a full mount involves a lot of biting.
That's a bad plan cause chances are if you bite you remind the other guy he can do the same. And if he is the better grappler then most times he will be in a better position to bite more vital areas. I only suggest you do that if you fighting for your life sort of thing.
@@xx_olmec_xxv.2337 Your sense of humor called. It misses you. Mansplaining works best against ladies.
@@xx_olmec_xxv.2337Yeah, all of those “dirty fight tactics” like eye gouges and biting and groin strikes work better from a dominant position like mount anyway.
Glad you touched on this concept of subverting expectations of what a "trained fighter" will be used to. I've been training Muay Thai for about a year now, and I've noticed I find it harder to fight athletic new guys than the trained guys. Getting an idea of their timing is very weird (as I suspect they themselves don't a rhymth and are just firing off the hip) and attacks don't come from where I'd expect
War Horse,War God,Trojan Horse,Battle Pony,That Guy,HorseMeat Killer,God of War,Road Dog Jesse James...Amazing
I have fought street beefs. I’ve fought toughman. I’ve fought sanctioned mma. I respect anyone who fights. Fighting is scary, and doing scary things shows courage, which is admirable.
All that said, I think you are giving the lambs opponents too much credit. I see people come into practice all the time who’ve watched ufc and think they can throw up a triangle. Sorta imitating what you’ve seen on TH-cam does not make you a trained fighter. I promise you I could fight 1 million fights and never get KO’d by someone I mounted.
When you see weird stuff like this I think generally it speaks to a lack of skill and a difference in attributes and physicality. The lamb probably just has that touch of death. Some dudes got it.
In fighting, in my opinion, it is better to be inevitable than unpredictable. Better to be GSP or khabib than it is to be Niko Price (all due respect to niko who’s an elite fighter)
In life too. Better be consistent than lucky
MVP’s entire style is based around doing weird unorthodox stuff and catching people by surprise lol
I promise that out of those million fights, you'll find your Lamb. No amount of skill will have you batting a thousand against rampant dumb luck.
The only thing that stands out to me is that when trained people fight, the do so in a practical manner, which ironically serves a double edged sword, especially against untrained people. That's because when people train for practicality, they limit themselves to just that, which leads them to be more predictable, resourceless, and bland. As for untrained fighters they usually improvise and usually rely on their aggression and luck, they would try anything to win a fight, even if they're impractical. In otherwords, CREATIVITY IS THE KEY TO WIN FIGHTS, but needs to be supported by a practical foundation.
This is by far one of my favorite videos you've made so far and I'm a huge fan of yours. I've been studying different styles of martial arts since I was kid and actually had to use it when I was 13 stopping a young man from shooting me in the head. I didn't really know up until then that what I was learning would work but that was the moment I knew it's not the style but the practicality of what you use and when and how. I'd like to actually teach what I know but I wanna test it through you because you're the most realistic guy out here in my opinion when it comes to self defense. I'll message you with my email or phone number if you end up getting back to me.
Maybe he's winning because the wide overhand hook is just a much better punch for street fighting than most boxing jabs and straights, see also Fedor.
"Being in bottom mount and swinging punches at your opponent to defend that mount, that's crazy and it would never work... but what if it does?" The exact quotes that I love from you icymike, they're just so great😂
We’ve seen it in the ufc like 2 times already, Niko price against Randy brown and Kevin Holland against jacare. I guess what we learn is you just shouldnt assume you’re safe when you’re postured up. Maybe throw some shorter elbows and hold the position a bit longer to soften up your opponent before you decide to posture up and punch and even still be conscious of punches or elbows from bottom. If things get wild you can just posture down again and put your head on his throat and make him uncomfortable in that position.
@@JA-jx1hk Kevin Holland and Niko Price did that with different guards, they weren't in bottom mount. You can safely defend in those bottom guards and strike at the same time, and also control posture with your legs and arms a lot easier. However when you're under someone and they're on your belly throwing punches down at your head, it's super difficult to get power behind your punches. It also allows them to come up on your chest. Punching from bottom mount is so ridiculously stupid that not a single gym will ever drill it. That's why this line is so great, and especially this fight, because it's just so ridiculous it's funny as hell.
@@sebasdavis8081 well after watching this, I learned it’s not so stupid lol
@@JA-jx1hk lmaoo💀💀
Great vid, and there’s a lot to smart stuff being said here in the comments, but here’s something important that I haven’t seen yet: you haven’t “won” until the fight is over. You could be beating someone up one side of the ring and down the other, but if at any point you let them hit you hard on the chin, you’re going out. Every moment of distraction or relaxation is an opportunity to slip up and get KO’d even by something sloppy or risky. War Horse had a dominant position and assumed that meant he was in no real danger, so he let strikes in that weren’t as harmless as he’d expected. Red X dominated in round 1 and saw the Lamb’s goofy ass stance, and was either confused or overconfident. The Lamb was in a perfect position to get K/Oed by a kick or fast shot to the chin, so X saw no danger and got caught on the back foot WITH HIS GUARD UP when The Lamb suddenly turned up the intensity and blitzed him. Horse and X both had all the tools needed to win, but made the same mistake of thinking that their opponent’s incompetence equated to harmlessness. The lesson I suppose is treat every fighter as if they could knock you out, even if they suck, because they absolutely can if you let them.
I can't speak for anyone else but what I learned from this is five things:
1: A lot of people claim they have style when they don't even have basic form.
2: Anyone can land a shot on the button and out go the lights.
3: You can do it wrong and still win.
4: You can do it right and still lose.
5: Winning is winning regardless how you get there.
Being a completly untrained person I think this is just that the Lamb is acting unorthodox and has his own unique thing. So, the horseslayer have not trained for that how could he?
Or, this is just some kind of drunken master trick. The lamb pretends he knows nothing. He is just a lamb, I know nothing. And warstallion drops his guard. In the second fight, the Lamb fails in tricking the other guy to believe that but then does something very suprising, that is a banzai hail Mary move that happens to connect.
Cool videos fun channel! :)
In grappling and BJJ sometimes I have more trouble dealing with untrained guys than with dudes who had some training.. people with no experience do movements that a trained fighter won't do and the factor of unpredictability makes it more difficult for me!
being in the right place at the right time is key - no disrespect to anyone's training as in most cases it will win hands down - but your rythm, distance and timing can catch the opponent in a brief moment of vulnerability that's all it really takes - Ryoto Machida understands this very well. I know it sounds laughable to compare the lamb to Ryoto Machida but in both the examples you've shown he seems to have pulled this off. Some can argue it's a fluke or whatever and it probably is to a degree but I've seen moment's where people's training can actually also cause them to make critical blunder that the untrained likely would not have. In the 2nd example he seems to have demonstrated a bit more purpose into what he was doing.
“It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so. “ - Mark Twain
With something as violent and chaotic as fighting, there is always some degree of just pure, random chance involved. Ask me about the time I bet a spread on an entire UFC event and the only fight I called wrong was Cormier, who decided to lose his title that night.
Drunk Monk in the building. It's the total adherence to chaos that allowed him to win. Plus the willingness to take whatever hit. Breaking every expectation and predictable rule made him unreadable.
I really like these videos where you analyze streetbeefs fights. It's especially interesting since you have had firsthand experience in fighting in streetbeefs.
ive been a professional handball player back in the day. Sometimes you would encounter a very technical player who would read how you play and would block any attempt you do. Like a wall you cant pass.
Then i would start just throw hail marries and they would score pefectly which would always hella suprise me.
Those throws would also compleatly throw me out of balance, making a counter easy for the oposing team since they basically end up in a 4v5.
I think the same logic applies here, the dude makes a punch no sane fighter would throw. Hes compleatly out of balance, if it doesnt connect he will probably get severley punished for it. Sure, fighters like mcgregor do punches like the superman punch. But connors superman punches are always calculated, he doesnt simply throw himself into the opponent and is able to defend and react afterwards.
Lol "what did we learn? I don't know!" Mike is straight up quoting Burn after reading. Great video as always!
He clearly didn't do everything right, otherwise he wouldn't be KOed... So he did a beginner mistake by not handling his opponents hands...
Tbh. I think ''having a heart'' plays big part in his victories. His opponents where little bit trained but, i think it might not be enough training to nullify their opponents fighting heart. Heart can go only so far... if your opponent exeeds certain level of training, heart alone is not enough anymore.
Crazy combination is when you are exeedingly well trained/experienced and you also have this fighting heart, well... these guys are the ones who rise to the top of UFC and what not.
from my experience in training for years is that anything can work if u make it a surprise. Crazy kicks and punches work if the opponent doesn't expect it
"But don’t you know, there are some things that can beat smartness and foresight? Awkwardness and stupidity can. The best swordsman in the world doesn’t need to fear the second best swordsman in the world; no, the person for him to be afraid of is some ignorant antagonist who has never had a sword in his hand before; he doesn’t do the thing he ought to do, and so the expert isn’t prepared for him; he does the thing he ought not to do: and often it catches the expert out and ends him on the spot."
--Mark Twain, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court”. 1889.
I’d love to see more Street Beefs breakdowns like this!👍👍👍
Look at deontay wilder, he knows how to fight but his raw skills are usually nowhere near his opponents. I think a lot of fighting styles deal with how to fight vs how to end a fight immediately, because most people don't have the timing/power/luck to be able to end fights immediately. If you do have it, then your technical skills can take a back seat, but it's a question of what percentage of people do have it or can have it.
Jerome also is a great coach and jarred is a great boxer too and you also helped me with a lot of techniques
If you do everything wrong and still win that just means the other guy didn't know how to take advantage of what you did wrong, which means they did more things wrong. Amatuers are dangerous cause they don't know what they shouldn't do. Elite ufc fighters are better than amatuers cause they know all the tricks to not fall for, including what positions to not put themselves in. That's the main difference because it's a difference of experience. If the amatuer throws something the pro isn't expecting the amatuer can win, but it's super unlikely cause by being an amatuer they won't know how to land it. And, if it lands it will be because of luck more than skill until it becomes something they rely on consistently. There is so much more to learn from the main event fight than the prelims, but you won't be able to understand it all until you're no longer an amatuer. I guess I agree with Mike, this time, but there's always another way to look at everything he explains.
I think the lamb just has crazy attributes, good speed and reflexes along with power in his hand, and actually good accuracy to hit the chin even if flailing, personally I think if he trained by a good coach he could be pro ready in a short time. Its like running onto someone with good base stats in the wild, there are ufc fighters who don't have his attributes even with years of training.
So I think this guy is just an exception.
Having a mind for things is a very ignored thing. Some people just seem to have great timing that comes naturally and good accuracy. But what I really think is going on is that the people with some training are in the stage where they are thinking a ton on how to do things right and haven’t learned to just flow while remaining technical. This causes hesitation that an untrained purely instinctual fighter can unknowingly take advantage of
I think that fighting has a luck component you cannot prepare for. Stuf f happens. But I also think that there is a lot of psychology involved and if you think you "cannot win" in a certain situation, you will not win in that situation. The Lamb does not know that imho, he knows that if he punches someone in the head hard enough, he will knock them out. And does not care from position he does that. I think that a lot of experienced guys would know they are at a huge disadvantage lying down or hanging arms down before attacking and just could not knock out anyone because they would not believe in success. And they would probably do something else anyway, like fought to get to a better position. Also I think that opponents are just not ready for Lamb's attack and severely underestimate him and are taken by surprise which results in them not being ready.
Also I think that technique is way overrated, it is important if other things are about equal which they often are in tournaments and it does matter a bit. But being faster, stronger, bigger, confidence and so on matter more imho.
This actually reminds me a lot of Deontay Wilder. Pretty large and obvious skill deficiencies compared to the people he's fighting, but his athleticism really bridges the gap.
Most "fighters" , Mike included, do not realize how bonded they are into there rule set/ box.
Maybe you can see "cold" techniqual punches but punches/ actions out of rage, is a hole new story. An street beefs is not even street fight.
War horse, trojan horse, horsemeat, amazing nicknames 🤣
Streetbeefs makes me want to fight just to see what I would be like. In training it's easy to think you're capable, but once you have people watching you and your opponent is no longer a training partner but an actual adversary who wants to concuss you, the situation changes. I would like to say I wouldn't crumble but none of my partners have tried to spin my jaw, so I can't say for sure. I never got into a fight where I got punched hard, so I can't say.
This is part of why it’s a terrible idea to get into a street fight with anyone, even if you’re well trained. Sure you’re less likely to lose the better trained you are, but a random haymaker that hits through dumb luck can still knock you out. And anyone who’s been in any fight, simulated or not, can tell you it’s almost impossible to come out of any fight unscathed. Just one lucky haymaker can end it
I feel like it did just come down to him being a strong opponent, he took the hits but sometimes it's who can take the most damage. I'm not sure what makes the rules on that but it's a big factor.
The Goat vs Mount and Blade: Warband certainly teaches us something, I just don't know what
10:40 I'm sorry but that was just plainly AWESOME. Good show.
Lamb was holding the others guys leg up in the air briefly, I thought this was going to be an example of the dangers of an outstretched limb ("going out on a limb"), but no, lamb let it go.
I don’t know if you will Believe this but when I was 13 I got into a fight with a kid that was my age it started and we just thru you hands because that’s all we knew how to do we got close and I went for a take down he stopped me we kept fight fighting and then he took me down and had full mount i thru punches up at him and he got off well he did that I got is back slammed him and bashed his face in than some of your friends broke it up. Just saying this definitely works Under the right circumstance.
Oh I see why they all lost from lamb, trained fighter always expect some sort of pattern from their opponent but since lamb has no real stance and attack pattern they're all caught up in his attack and knocked out
And all of them has no discipline on guarding their chin or face, maybe because they underestimate lamb ability to land some attacks
The lamb actually popped up on my tiktok feed before these fights took place. Essentially his style of fighting is what a kid thinks looks cool when imitating their favorite cartoon fighters. Its not effective and leaves him open to so many attacks but he’s also going against other rookies so
That”nipple” looks like a small pox vaccination scar. Especially since it’s on the left shoulder.
What I wanna know is, can we get more videos of you watching streetbeefs???
This is something I would love to do. And let's be honest would be great practice. In the real world you don't know the skill or training the other person has.
Lamb thinks hes in an Anime with those stances lmaoooo
My muay thai coach has a saying "there is never a technique that is wrong, the only thing that is wrong in fighting is lying down on the floor out cold."
The fact that red x literally stepped into his range. Trained or not that was a bad decision.i see that ish I'll take a couple steps back cuz too unpredictable or shoot hard and fast.
This guy has made tiktok talking about his own style and it has so many flaws, and he goes into a fight and doesn’t really use his style when he knocks people out just swinging
I love how he gives war horse a million names
unpredictable movement and a fuck-it attitude can almost be channeled into a superpower
Pure freaking luck. That's the answer to your question.
The Lamb must have the chops for fighting. That must be it: Lamb Chops.
I guess that's why a lot of teachers always warn you never to underestimate someone. You can be stronger , bigger more experienced ,etc . But all it takes is one punch or kick at the right (or wrong) spot , and down you go ;).
Kevin Holland KO’ing Jacare Souza with a hammer fist from his back was a wild example of an “anything can happen” situation.
"This [points to The Lamb] means I'm about to do something crazy."
That probably aided that wild haymaker as Red X attempted to figure out WTF he was doing 🤣
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History's reoccurring message: Never underestimate anyone.
Kevin knocked Jacare out with bottom punches too
That “nipple” I’m pretty sure was an idiotic thing I saw a handful of people do growing up. Getting a lighter hot by turning it sideways to keep it hot and jamming it into the skin was apparently supposed to make a smiley face scar… but I literally don’t know one person that it ended as a smiley face, most looked kind of like that guys arm.
Real fights are weird. ;)
Fighting is always situational and the best fighters will be adapters
Lamb is a button masher who keeps getting critical hits!
You should watch some of the Eastern European street beefs equivalent. It makes Street Beefs look like an old ladies tea party.
Lamb seems to have some power in his hands, someone should train him good.
This guy went into a dangerous situation where violence was guaranteed, and when asked to give himself a ringname said, "The Lamb". He's obviously terrifying.
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I'll never not be impressed with the way these raggedy-ass, barely trained fighters embody the "martial arts self-discipline & respect" that too many trained martial artists lack.
Respect. ✊
Bingo!
The morals are, 1.) Expect the unexpected and 2.) Keep your hands up!!! 🥊
Get that man in that studio I’d like see how he progresses with training
A wolf in The Lamb's clothing.
always sat weird with me that white belts in BJJ are "dangerous because they are spazy" but that "spazy" is a bad thing. like becoming predicable and readable is a good thing.
Interesting point.
Limb get points arm bar technique from
It’s just like when you spa someone now and their movement is really awkward and they catch you