Cinematic Excrement: Episode 72 - Star Trek: The Motion Picture

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  • @dvass7253
    @dvass7253 8 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    "My oath of celibacy is on record, Captain. Anyway, how is your sex life?"

  • @angrytheclown801
    @angrytheclown801 4 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    I just figure Ilia stated her vow of celibacy because Kirk's reputation preceded him. Dude chases alien women like Zeus chases everyone.

    • @kate_cooper
      @kate_cooper 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      That’s how I read it, she was basically just saying “Don’t bother with your usual schtick of trying to get into my pants”. You don’t need supplementary material to understand that.

  • @MrDalevich
    @MrDalevich 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    "All hail the mighty glow cloud"
    Insert Captain America understanding the reference gif here.

    • @djtripnosys
      @djtripnosys 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And now, slaves of the Cloud, the weather.

  • @ThomasTVP
    @ThomasTVP 5 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I'm actually happy for the 5.5 minute Enterprise show-off, because it gave Jerry Goldsmith an opportunity for one of the greatest cues in film music history - with no sounds or dialogue interfering with its majesty.

    • @Shadowkey392
      @Shadowkey392 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But it was boring! And I could have knitted a sweater in the time they spent on it!

    • @eddieolshefski6467
      @eddieolshefski6467 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same. I still enjoy it today. 😊

    • @JeffreyPiatt
      @JeffreyPiatt ปีที่แล้ว

      Part of it is also to convince fans that this new ship is the Enterprise.

    • @allanalogmusicat78rpm
      @allanalogmusicat78rpm 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was not bored by it at all. Different strokes...@@Shadowkey392

  • @mcnultyssobercompanion6372
    @mcnultyssobercompanion6372 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    The shuttle approach to the Enterprise, with Goldsmith's score underneath...is majestic. It's gorgeous, pure cinema. "All hail...." Robert Wise.

  • @ricardocantoral7672
    @ricardocantoral7672 8 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    The thing I love about TMP was that space actually felt like a dark, unforgiving territory that didn't discriminate it's victims. I never got that feeling of such a rich atmosphere in the subsequent films.

    • @LinkMarioSamus
      @LinkMarioSamus 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I followed Smeghead's advice to skip this one and start with Star Trek II, which I really liked. However, I'm well aware this film has its fans. I'd say Star Trek II gave a feeling like that but it was obviously more focused on Kirk's rivalry with Khan, which was very entertaining.

    • @ricardocantoral7672
      @ricardocantoral7672 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      LinkMarioSamus Trek II lacked the vast scale of the first film but I agree that it's superior.

  • @martythetickler
    @martythetickler 8 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Sean, I'm not a Trekkie, but if you know how to speak Klingon, you, sir, win. At everything.

    • @CinematicExcrement
      @CinematicExcrement  8 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      +martythetickler I know as much as Bing Translator.

    • @martythetickler
      @martythetickler 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      +Cinematic Excrement Does Bing translate Vulcan as well? Or any other fictional language?

    • @Buffaloguy1991
      @Buffaloguy1991 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      +Boxer Burg it has gotten good enough they kicked it off ackuna.com/badtranslator (try it it translates stuff then flips it between random languages and hilarity can ensue)

  • @timafterdark3759
    @timafterdark3759 8 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    Did you know that the black actress from Star Trek was wanting to leave but she was convinced to stay by a fan of both her character and the tv show. The fan was Martin L King Jr! True story

    • @kingofpointless
      @kingofpointless 8 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      +Tim Jordan That actress is the great Nichelle Nichols!

    • @masonallen3961
      @masonallen3961 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Eamonn Deane She's also known for her guest star appearances on Futurama.

    • @grapeshot
      @grapeshot 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@masonallen3961 The fan dance.

    • @andrewdillon7837
      @andrewdillon7837 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      She has Altzheimers now sadly,,

    • @victorhernandez8723
      @victorhernandez8723 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Get out! The Martin Luther King Jr. was a fan of the original Star Trek TV show? You’re joking!

  • @johnyzero2000
    @johnyzero2000 8 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    About the costumes, Robert Fletcher the designer didn't like them either because he felt they were too drab but the director insisted on using very simple designs and using the late 70's color pallet of beige, white, off-white and earth tones. Fletcher was thrilled when he got to do The Wrath of Khan and used very rich colors and more detailed designs.

    • @markelijio6012
      @markelijio6012 ปีที่แล้ว

      He also did the costumes for The Last Starfighter, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock and Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.

  • @zakkizer2490
    @zakkizer2490 8 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    In defense of the pacing, Robert Wise has said that the film was so rushed to meet its release date that there wasn't time to properly edit the film!

    • @ZoolGatekeeper
      @ZoolGatekeeper 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes, I agree., I like the pacing too and you must realise regular pictures in the 70's were different.. And MOST of has seen this movie on VHS or other home media. BUT if you've seen this on a BIG screen like me, I'm sure you would feel otherwise (no pun intended). As a director, Robert Wise was no stranger to scifi, both with his '..Earth Stood Still'-classic and the later 'Andromeda Strain'-movie. I'm pretty certain what he tried to do with 'Star Trek, The Motion Picture'...You see, for most of Europeans like me, we had only seen a couple of the original series episodes on TV, because usually only one season was aired. The stories were of course mostly good, but the production values were not. So for a movie, you need the audience to take the whole concept seriously, especially for those who think it's a cheaply made TV show. And Wise accomplished that with really good production values; I mean there's a shot of Enterprise at the end of the movie, that hasn't been surpassed.. cause it's simply optical perfection (I'm sure many fans know what shot I'm talking about). And then you have Jerry Goldsmith's score.. The theme was so good, they used it for TNG, so the actual film can't be all bad?
      I however agree, that ST2 (Wrath of Khan) is the best film in the franchise. But there is NO way, you can start this movie series with Khan, when most of us semifans didn't know who that character was (and btw how the hell did Chekov know him?). I only found out about Khan after I saw Star Trek 1, watching TOS. All I'm asking, please give ST1 credit as a STARTING point. And thanks to ST1, today, I 'm a fan of the Roddenberry Universe of Star Trek...

    • @paulheap1982
      @paulheap1982 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ZoolGatekeeper yeah,but it was regarded as slow paced even then.

    • @JetScreamer_YT
      @JetScreamer_YT 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@paulheap1982 Star Trek was slow. To me, the motion picture was the most Star Trek out of all the movies. As said, Star Trek was a cult favorite. But when you make a movie, you have to make it so more people will buy tickets. So Star Trek, on the big screen became an action series. It worked for the majority of the movies.
      The brand new Star Trek that are being made today are even more geared towards everyone. However, I feel a little left out. I miss long conversations, thoughtful dialogue, and alien of the week. That's not the goal anymore. They went big. To be fair, it seems that's working for them.

    • @kingamoeboid3887
      @kingamoeboid3887 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He could've edited it himself (he started off as an editor of Citizen Kane). Slow paced films like 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), Stalker (1979) and Solaris (1972) can be atmospheric for it's slow pacing.

    • @christhornycroft3686
      @christhornycroft3686 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also, it was 1979. You can’t watch it after being poisoned by movies made after 1995, especially movies made after 2002. I enjoyed the Bourne movies, but they ruined the cinematic experience forever. Most people now have the attention span of a gnat.

  • @Jetfire-kk1ti
    @Jetfire-kk1ti 8 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    I'm an original 60's Trek fan and I agree with most of your critique. However, I assure you, we hard-core Trekkies weren't bored in the least by the intro scene for the new Enterprise. To us, she is another cast member. The studio had been careful not to let the new version be seen much before the premiere of the film. It was one of the biggest questions we had. What would the new version look like? I'm sure the sequence was a bit too long for non-fans, but to me, it was exactly what I was looking for when I first saw her. I was completely entranced; loved every second of it.
    But the Vger flyby was ridiculous. I went to the men's room and came back and it was still going.

    • @linda10989
      @linda10989 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Jetfire1959 I also saw this when it came out. I also remember oohing and ahhing with the rest of the audience when the Enterprise came on screen. It didn't matter to us that it took 5 minutes to show every inch of the ship--we loved every second of it!

    • @Jetfire-kk1ti
      @Jetfire-kk1ti 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Preach it, Sister!

    • @ShamrockParticle
      @ShamrockParticle 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's why long padded sequences exist, to indulge the perfect moment to expel what one was drinking half an hour earlier. Or half a year, based on the pacing of this flick, which proves too much padding even dissuades the constipated...

    • @ZoolGatekeeper
      @ZoolGatekeeper 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My thoughts exactly.. Watching a VHS-tape/DVD just don't cut it.. This was a spectacle on the big screen.. Vger flyby was too long, yes, but the mystery was there.. But in the beginning there was some good foreshadowing; implying that anything could happen, so the scene was not all that dull.. Anyway, better editing would have helped.. But in defense of this movie, try watching Cleopatra (1964) on a small screen…

    • @STNeish
      @STNeish 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I've said this elsewhere. When this film came out, there had been NO Star Trek for nearly a decade. To the fans, this was a reunion, a chance to be reunited with our beloved starship. We needed time to savour it. Even the music tells the tale, the strings starting out tremulous, sounding almost breathless. Honestly, this scene is one of my favourite scenes in all of Star Trek, but it's not really about the content. It's about the EXPERIENCE of seeing the ENTERPRISE again. Fans today, who have never been through it, just can't understand.
      It's the same reason many of us couldn't stomach JJTrek and Discovery.

  • @Roserae16
    @Roserae16 8 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Linkara has theorized that Star Fleet only has two ships active at any given time

    • @sydneyslaughter7163
      @sydneyslaughter7163 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Rae Prite I always figured that ships took forever to make since they’re built in space so when one goes outta commission, it’s a couple decades before the replacement is finished.

    • @eddieolshefski6467
      @eddieolshefski6467 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, it took till the 24th century for the Utopia Planitia Shipyards to exist. Now dozens of starships can be constructed and put in service.

  • @kiprandom7208
    @kiprandom7208 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This is an example of style over substance.
    It really is visually stunning

    • @wibblewobble1934
      @wibblewobble1934 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I still really enjoyed this movie, I think the main problem was everyon was expecting Star Wars, and this was trying to be more like 2001. You either enjoy the pace and the wonder of space, or you dont and just want some popcorn fun.

    • @weARallDEVO
      @weARallDEVO 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is the best Star Trek movie because it is the closest to what Gene envisioned the future to be. I had many conversations about the movie with him, and he managed to convince me that this was what Star Trek really was about. Ultimate exploration of the human condition. I trust Gene. He was a visionary.

  • @ColeYote
    @ColeYote 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've seen a lot of people over the years wonder why the Enterprise seems to be the only ship that actually ever does anything, but I like to imagine all the other ships have just as many adventures as them off-screen.

  • @victorhernandez8723
    @victorhernandez8723 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Fun fact: One of the trailers for Star Trek: the Motion Picture was narrated by the one and only Orson Welles!

  • @BioGoji-zm5ph
    @BioGoji-zm5ph 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    We paid for these special effects shots and we're gonna use them, dammit! ~ Some Paramount Executive, probably.

  • @sethmaki1333
    @sethmaki1333 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The third season of Star Trek was awful, true, but there were some real gems there: "The Enterprise Incident" and "The Doomsday Machine" to name a pair.

    • @GermanLeftist
      @GermanLeftist 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Doosmday Machine was a second season episode.

  • @Monkofmagnesia
    @Monkofmagnesia 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    2:21 - According to Nimoy, after Star Trek was cancelled, it went into syndication. The Apollo XI in July, 1969 is what made people interested in Star Trek again.

  • @larrywolf2509
    @larrywolf2509 8 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Star Trek II is so good, you really cannot do it better.
    Not even by making Khan a british man...

    • @1r0zz
      @1r0zz 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Spencer Bean
      true, if you are high on cocaine before, during and after watching that abuse that was star trek into darkness

    • @TheKeyser94
      @TheKeyser94 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Larry Wolf Idiots purist, let me guess, you didn't catch the Pacifism VS Militarism sub-plot don't you? You focus all your focus in that bullshit.

    • @sofiaa1616
      @sofiaa1616 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      My problem with Benedict Cumberbatch's Khan is that he was Khan in name only. Sure, he made for a formidable on his own, but I just wished they had come up with their own original character. I feel the exact same way about Tom Hardy's Bane. (And I'm not even gonna go into the whole race issue).
      And overall, I just didn't care for Into Darkness, though I certainly didn't hate it either.

    • @jeffw1267
      @jeffw1267 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Sofia A Cumberbatch wasn't physically imposing enough. He's got too much of a beta look.

    • @DatBrasss
      @DatBrasss 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      jeffw1267 Fun fact: in a wolf pack, the biggest, strongest wolf isn't the Alpha, but is actually the Beta. The smartest wolf is usually the Alpha. So if we apply that to Eggs Benedict here, he's really got more of an alpha look... this has been yet another useless fact.

  • @brianthomas2434
    @brianthomas2434 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Chuckled when you noted how the director chose to show the Enterprise for so long. The director was, of course, Robert Wise, who a quarter century earlier had given us the original " The Day The Earth Stood Still " , a far superior SF flick.

  • @zakkizer2490
    @zakkizer2490 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I look forward to your eventual review of Star Trek 5 for your Worst Picture project

  • @HenryvKeiper
    @HenryvKeiper 8 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    "The possibilities of our returning from this trip may have just doubled."
    Yeah right. Uhura was never a Red Shirt.

    • @meep_cubed170
      @meep_cubed170 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      HenryvKeiper well she was, but just in a one of the only ones to not die

    • @eddieolshefski6467
      @eddieolshefski6467 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@meep_cubed170 Yeah. Her and Scotty were the only two Red shirts that lived.

  • @thunderbolt2145
    @thunderbolt2145 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I saw this in the theatre when it premiered. I was 10 years old, and it's what got me into becoming a Star Trek fan. I still think it's a good film

  • @djtripnosys
    @djtripnosys 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "They manage to convince it..."
    The Glow Cloud does not need to converse with us. It does not feel as we
    tiny humans feel. It has no need for thoughts or feelings of love.

  • @TheStarTrekApologist
    @TheStarTrekApologist 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Tour of the Enterprise actually makes sense, because the show had been gone so long it was there for emotional impact, which also transfers to Kirks Character. The fly around the Enterprise and Launch is considered very epic. It was the one time the slowness of the movie was not out of place.

  • @TheHeroOfTomorrow
    @TheHeroOfTomorrow 8 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Taking on the slow-motion picture, I see. Nice.
    Also, another NightVale fan!

  • @luigiman8728
    @luigiman8728 8 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    "Two times zero is still zero" one of your best quotes yet, which is saying a lot.

  • @hirammcdaniels6310
    @hirammcdaniels6310 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'm really happy that you made a Welcome to Night Vale reference

  • @victorhernandez8723
    @victorhernandez8723 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Many people forget that there was an animated Star Trek TV show from the 1970s and starred most of the original cast from the first TV show.

  • @johnnyfavorite1194
    @johnnyfavorite1194 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Good thing Ilia proclaimed her vow of celibacy. Mr. Sulu looked really distracted there for a moment.

  • @aussiebaka4588
    @aussiebaka4588 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    ALL HAIL.
    Also, you have just guaranteed that I will *never* unsubscribe.

  • @cb1671
    @cb1671 8 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    This movie is very slow and ponderous, but it's still my favourite Star Trek film.
    I wouldn't argue that it's the best made (Kahn, or Voyage Home), but it's definitely the most accurate film they could have made based on the TV show.

    • @STNeish
      @STNeish 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My thoughts exactly. It feels more like Star Trek than any of the other films.

    • @ChrisMaxfieldActs
      @ChrisMaxfieldActs ปีที่แล้ว

      @@STNeish Voyage Home had the breezy feel of a mid-second season episode, along the lines of PIECE OF THE ACTION or THE TROUBLE WITH TRIBBLES.

  • @jesusrox4u
    @jesusrox4u 8 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Nice job on mimicking William Shatner's hammy, funny acting.

  • @TheMint20
    @TheMint20 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Don't worry about us fanboys, we call this movie the "Slow Motion Picture," after all...

  • @dragonmaster613
    @dragonmaster613 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    🙌 all hail the Glowcloud! 🙏

  • @nicolehall694
    @nicolehall694 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Your Klingon disclaimer is EXACTLY why I friggin adore you!!

  • @lindaeasley4336
    @lindaeasley4336 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was a kid when this movie came out .My mom took me to see it at the drive-in and I fell asleep half way into it

  • @FighterUnitHopeless
    @FighterUnitHopeless 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Literally almost screamed at the WTNV reference.

  • @TONYGILLEY
    @TONYGILLEY 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "Ten minutes of flying along side the alien ship at half the speed of smell" LOL!!!!! Great line!!!

  • @johnwatson3948
    @johnwatson3948 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    They only had a story long enough for a good trick-ending Twilight Zone episode - so the rest depended on being filled with visual effects. The studio wasted much time being sold on an effects company that had little idea what they were doing - had to turn at the last minute to Doug Trumbull who did a magnificent job saving this sorry project.

  • @louisduarte8763
    @louisduarte8763 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    15:43 That should have been Scotty's job. Did this movie's makers forget Scotty's an Engineer? The word "Engine" is in the title!

  • @Realm-of-Horror
    @Realm-of-Horror 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    They reused the same shots of the shuttle docking in Star Trek 2, but Sulu mananged to do it in about 30s as he didn't fly round it 3 times first.

  • @AmariieMaerthos
    @AmariieMaerthos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Two things. First, love the Nightvale references, ALL HAIL! Second, I always assumed Ailia announced her vow of celibacy because everyone knows Kirk will try to fuck ANYTHING

  • @MegaOrwell1984
    @MegaOrwell1984 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Another good knickname for this movie could also be Star Trek: A space odyssey, since I'm honestly getting flashbacks to 2001: a space odyssey.

  • @karanvirkooner1993
    @karanvirkooner1993 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Back in 1979 two sci-fi movies hit the big screen Star Trek:The Motion Picture and Alien(1979)

    • @JeffreyDeCristofaro
      @JeffreyDeCristofaro 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually, three: Disney's THE BLACK HOLE.

    • @karanvirkooner1993
      @karanvirkooner1993 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JeffreyDeCristofaro Alien(1979) is the superior one

  • @TheFLAMEXD
    @TheFLAMEXD 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I’ve been looking at the comment sections recently and a lot of what’s been said is so ridiculous.
    To anyone saying that people who hate Star Trek The Motion Picture because they have short attention spans or no patience, you are completely and utterly wrong.
    Everyone just likes different things. Some people liked it, some didn’t. You are not superior to anyone just because you liked a movie and you’re not inferior to anyone because you didn’t like a movie.
    People just have different tastes. It’s not about short attention spans or patience or whatever bullshit you guys come up with. You sound no different than DCEU fans who trash Marvel fans and hold the DC films as these high art pieces that only snobbish, fancy people can truly appreciate.

    • @kevinthepilgrim
      @kevinthepilgrim 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed to everything you wrote, except that I would add that Marvel fans are as bad as pretentious DC fans.
      They tend to think every Marvel movie is gold and has no shortcomings.
      I am a fan of both universes, and I hate that attitude.

  • @victorhernandez8723
    @victorhernandez8723 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That disclaimers in the middle of the review was priceless!

  • @boredcommenter67
    @boredcommenter67 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    3 seconds. it took 3 second for the joke everyone saw coming to hit. Well played sir, well played.

  • @Dethneko
    @Dethneko 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish you could get these out more than once a month.

  • @vikingfortiesfaeroes
    @vikingfortiesfaeroes 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Your point about it being bad to have plot points & dialogue that aren't explained in the film was a very good one. Therefore, you are practically *obligated* to do a video on Dune

  • @Saieras
    @Saieras 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My sister could not stop laughing throughout this entire film. Between the uniforms, the Ilia-bot, and the copious amounts of padding, it really is a so-bad-it's-good classic.

    • @ProjectFlashlight612
      @ProjectFlashlight612 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Was your sister on mushrooms? None of the things you mention are in and of themselves amusing.

    • @Saieras
      @Saieras 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Have you seen the movie? The costumes are right there in the video, but the robot's narmy performance didn't get much focus, and the sightseeing scenes interrupt the story for so long that they become overly long gags. The best part is that they were trying to be serious, so things that would work in a less silly film become awkward and hilarious.
      This is a trainwreck that needs to be gawked at in all of its glory. Reviews and clips just don't do it justice. Definitely give it a watch if you get the chance.

    • @winstonmarlowe5254
      @winstonmarlowe5254 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Saieras It's bad for a Trek movie but nowhere near as terrible as you're trying to make it sound.

  • @JeffreyDeCristofaro
    @JeffreyDeCristofaro 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Apparently there were some other issues with this film during production. Although the original show's creator Gene Roddenberry was involved as producer, he and director Robert Wise didn't get along so well... their collaboration was contentious, to say the least, even in pre-production, as they had a number of creative differences that seemed to be evident in the film's staging and pacing (arguably another reason why the Director's Cut was made and released on television later).
    As far as the final product is concerned... well, here's the thing. Although the original series is one of my favorite shows, and I enjoyed a number of the pre-J.J. Abrams original films, I'm not really that much of a hardcore Trekkie, so not only do I look at how faithful films spinning off TV shows are to their small screen origins, but how well they stand on their own as, well, actual films. When I first saw this in both formats, I didn't really think it was all that bad, but as cinema it wasn't exceptional. Apparently they were going for a David Lean-type space opera in order to stay true to the original show's spirit by opposing the Cecil B. DeMille flamboyance and good vs. evil nature of the original STAR WARS, while also using TMP's larger budget ($44 million) to upgrade the material visually for the big screen beyond the budgetary constraints of television. However, as John Stanley in his CREATURE FEATURES Movie Guide said it best in his 3.5 out of 5 star review for this: "it rises above the mock heroics of STAR WARS but falls short of being 2001." As troubles during development and actual production proved, the end result is a film that doesn't seem to know what it wants to be. Some parts are enjoyable and/or intellectually fascinating (especially when Spock returns to the bridge and later tries to do his mind-meld in space!), others mind-blowing (especially when you had both 2001's Douglas Trumbull and STAR WARS' John Dykstra doing the FX! AWESOME!!!), and I always loved Jerry Goldsmith's music in almost every film he scored. However, it tends to drag when it follows the same storytelling pattern of the show, especially when the main characters are less developed here, taking a backseat to the spectacle half the time, and the more intimate, grounded episode format works better on TV.
    They were definitely able to improve this approach with the next film (and Roddenberry got along better with Nicholas Meyer, who also later did THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY after Roddenberry passed away). Overall, while the first film is an uneven, unsatisfying mess that is better in parts than the whole, I think, Trekkies or not, we're all in agreement that ST5: THE FINAL FRONTIER is much, much worse... easily the weakest of the first six films based on the original series.

  • @patoren3gou653
    @patoren3gou653 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    22:20 "living machines"?
    So it landed in Cybertron

  • @frayacinth
    @frayacinth 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    all hail the glow cloud.... all hail... aaaaalll hailll...

  • @ash90trendkil
    @ash90trendkil 8 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Welcome to Night Vale reference. I like this channel so much more now.

    • @alfrankensteinfeldman
      @alfrankensteinfeldman 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +ash90trendkil I missed the reference. Gimme a time

    • @meep_cubed170
      @meep_cubed170 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      LadyMeg ALL HAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well at least it had Perfect Chekov and his Perfect Hair

    • @UlshaRS
      @UlshaRS 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      And now
      The weather

    • @buenapilapil5513
      @buenapilapil5513 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who or what is Night Vale?🤔

  • @benbooth2783
    @benbooth2783 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This was heavily influenced by Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odessey. That's where the slowness comes from.

  • @weARallDEVO
    @weARallDEVO 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For those of us whose religion in the late 1960's and 1970's was Star Trek, this was an emotional experience. The Enterprise reveal had us all in tears. You young people will never understand what this movie meant to us who had watched the original series. Go ahead and make fun of us. We original fans will understand. Those of us who actually KNEW Gene Roddenberry personally laugh at you.

    • @weARallDEVO
      @weARallDEVO 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And as to Ilea, we were intelligent enough to GET IT. Unlike your generation.

  • @STNeish
    @STNeish 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The images Spock saw during his spacewalk... I always understood those to be planets V'Ger had actually DIGITIZED and stored, as it did with the Klingon ships, and presumably what it was going to do to Earth when the creator didn't respond.

  • @abigail_1970
    @abigail_1970 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The first time the Enterprise made its' cameo appearance was absolute visual bliss for me....should've been longer than a measly 5min scene...just sayin.....⭐️💫🌟💥⭐️💫🌟💥

  • @jackmonaghan8477
    @jackmonaghan8477 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    0:56 - Malcolm McDowell will attest to how scary Trekkies can be.
    13:20 - "Well you can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a doctor not a woman's man, no time to talk, Jim."

  • @metalmugen
    @metalmugen 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Harlan Ellison said it best: Star Trek The Motionless Picture.

    • @sydneystroud4397
      @sydneystroud4397 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      He isn't kind to alot of sci-fi/horror movies, see what he said about Star Wars: A New Hope (Luke Skywalker is a Nerd and Darth Vader Sucks Runny Eggs), Back to the Future, Gremlins, and Close in Encounters of the 3rd Kind.

    • @sydneystroud4397
      @sydneystroud4397 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      He does tear into this movie, pretty thoroughly.

  • @dragonmaster613
    @dragonmaster613 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That is by far the best content warning I have ever had the pleasure of reading!
    Kudos 👍!

  • @NebLleb
    @NebLleb 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "Cut! CUT! CUUUUUUUUUT! CUUUUUT!"

  • @CalliopeCarina
    @CalliopeCarina 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic review! (As always). You seriously deserve more views, love your work Smeghead:)

  • @louisduarte8763
    @louisduarte8763 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember the NOMAD episode. The talking space probe who was surprisingly sexist; it called Uhura, and all women by extension, "an unstable mass of conflicting impulses". Which in retrospect, was pretty funny.
    I don't know where or when, but it was retconned that Voyager 6 became V'ger after encountering The Borg, who fit the "living machines" description to a T.

  • @jmparker78
    @jmparker78 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Whenever I watch this, I also get the same feeling from the "Bones, I need you, BADLY" scene. For that matter, he makes a motion immediately afterward that's like "now take me like a man!" The move ends in...a handshake. Shatner can't even just shake hands without it being a dramatic overaction.

  • @mnirwin5112
    @mnirwin5112 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How'd I miss this movie??
    I can understand why Nimoy was tired of the character, but oh man, am I glad he decided to return ... again, and again, and again.

    • @mnirwin5112
      @mnirwin5112 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Definitely agree!
      But gads, those uniforms really are awful.

  • @Achillez098
    @Achillez098 8 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Pls do a review of Conan the Barbarian remake, i am dying to hear you tear that movie a new one

    • @clerickolter
      @clerickolter 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Achillez That Conan was just like the original books so I liked it, it beat Conan the Barbarian II which wasn't even rated R and was stupid.

    • @3Guys1Video
      @3Guys1Video 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Achillez Cinematic Excerment said "Fantastically Boring"
      Is that foreshadowing Fant4stic?

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Die - Hearts Nope. More than likely, it's going to be the first Tim Story "Fantastic Four" movie.

    • @3Guys1Video
      @3Guys1Video 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      QueenVoltalia But Fant4stic is worse than the last ones, he even said it in his vlog

    • @3Guys1Video
      @3Guys1Video 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      QueenVoltalia I think it's gonna come out on either November or December

  • @yurriaanvanduyn
    @yurriaanvanduyn 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When bald Britney Spears walked in, my warpdrive tingled a little...

  • @deandupont5503
    @deandupont5503 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @ 24:33
    The guy in the back is probably thinking, "Aw shit, I'm supposed to be on the set of 'Rollerball'!"

  • @TONYGILLEY
    @TONYGILLEY 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sorry I gotta say this about the Klingons. Before the "cannon" explanation, my comical belief was that the movie Klingons (+TNG onward) were the Dominant Vikings while the ones on TOS were the East-LA Klingons that were wiped out by the strong ones.........then DS9 and Voyager had to reintroduce those classic Klingons as Vikings! Damn It!!!!

  • @weARallDEVO
    @weARallDEVO 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When I saw the Enterprise fly by I understood what Scotty was showing Kirk. He was showing his captain the most beautiful starship in the fleet. I was at the first showing of the Motion Picture in my town, and I was in tears during this sequence. We true fans loved this show and we loved the first lady of space. God bless Gene Roddenberry.

  • @granite_planet
    @granite_planet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That outtake is actually hilarious. 😄

  • @liampendergast8670
    @liampendergast8670 8 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Damn it I want to go to bed. But I need my fix of Smeghead!

  • @JohnAvengerJR1985
    @JohnAvengerJR1985 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    When you said Stephen Collins I know where your coming from.The world is filled with sick minded people.

    • @markiangooley
      @markiangooley 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’d forgotten and had to look it up. It’s years later now

    • @LaineMann
      @LaineMann 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why?

    • @andrewollmann304
      @andrewollmann304 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Sheridan Mann When he played the dad on 7th Heaven, Collins molested one of the underage girls on set.

    • @HenshinHeroesMedia
      @HenshinHeroesMedia 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@andrewollmann304 thought it was a few girls before that show.

    • @winstonmarlowe5254
      @winstonmarlowe5254 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HenshinHeroesMedia Yeah it was decades before that and no one he was working with.

  • @Zackasaurusify
    @Zackasaurusify 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Here's my long-winded, if somewhat belated, explanation as to why the Klingons in the movie looked different than the Klingons in the tv series... IT'S CALLED A BUDGET.... Get over it already!!!

  • @mountbuckekreative4044
    @mountbuckekreative4044 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Returning in one piece might have some other meaning for two people after a transporter accident.

  • @gordondavis6168
    @gordondavis6168 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nowadays, all movies are smashcuts and you can’t follow the story because the film is chop-suedes in the editing room. The music and sets of this film were used for various films and series, and this film did well enough to launch several movies and shows. This is the only film or show which shows the dark side of Kirk- totally devoted to the Enterprise, to the point where he is endangering the mission. Also, for those old enough to see it in theaters, it was glorious seeing a huge Enterprise with human figures for comparison, and it serves a plot point- we see how big Eneterprise is, so we are wowed when it is dwarfed by VGER.

  • @jeffw1267
    @jeffw1267 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So what if the movie was slow? It looked awesome. I saw it as a boy and thought it was amazing. Then there was The Wrath of Khan, which was even better. It is unusual for a sequel to be better than the first one. Terminator/Terminator 2 was another example of this.

  • @SirSmoldham
    @SirSmoldham 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did a seminar at Sherwood Oaks on this film and interviewed all involved who needed to vent. The music was written before the special effects were finished so the shots they had were incredibly long, filled in with lots of staring. The editor, Todd Ramsey, was free to tell the truth about the hell they went through making it, which is why we never got Shatner, Nimoy, writer Harold Livingston and director Robert Wise to speak (An uncredited Jeffery Katzenberg held everything together). I'm just happy that such a great director got a chance to improve on this project before he died. George Takei described the ending as the largest orgasm in screen history.

  • @TheDanioneal
    @TheDanioneal 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY GLOW CLOUD

  • @DeniseFaraday
    @DeniseFaraday 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    '...enough technobabble to keep the nerds happy...' ROFL
    Sean, you are not actually doing one of the 'Scary Movie' films for Halloween next month, are you? LOL

  • @sydneyslaughter7163
    @sydneyslaughter7163 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always liked Shatner’s acting style. It could be that I’m bad at understanding human subtleties and overacting makes it so much easier to comprehend what is happening. Or maybe people are too hard on overactors. Better over than under, honestly.

  • @daverobson3084
    @daverobson3084 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They explain why Kirk insisted on being in charge of the mission in the scene where Bones............talks to Kirk about his need to take over the mission. He is bored and can't stand being a desk jockey anymore. This continues in the next film too.

  • @robertlauncher
    @robertlauncher 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Veijer? Isn't that the bad guy from Jak and Daxter?
    "It's Veiger!"
    Bleh.

  • @adamtherock2008
    @adamtherock2008 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have you seen all of the Trek movies, Sean? I'm curious to hear what you think of them.

  • @headphone307
    @headphone307 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nearly 6 years later.. I recently watched and actually quite liked this movie. It's agree it's not one of the greats, but I really enjoyed it anyway. I thought the story of Voyager was a fascinating concept. That it gained self-awareness and was in search of the creator. I liked that the creator turned out to be something it thought to be very inferior to itself. That it at first refused to accept it. I can hear Kirk now saying "V'ger.. We, are the creators". I don't think this movie deserves to be called excrement. It's so much better than a lot of what comes out today which leaves nothing to wonder and the imagination. I'd watch it over Wonder Woman 1984!

  • @Flowerbarrel
    @Flowerbarrel 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    By my honor, I aspire to have a good and gracious sense of humor on the Internet, and to always.....whoa, that's so neat, you have a Star Trek outfit! Cool!! ...what was I saying about honor and humor?

  • @LoneTiger
    @LoneTiger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    7:48 I never noticed they had rug on the port arrivals... why the hell rugs?

  • @chelmrtz
    @chelmrtz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I watched the 4K restoration/directors cut earlier this year and it’s a lot better
    I mean I was really stoned, but yes much better. The visuals ✨

  • @juliagoodwin3461
    @juliagoodwin3461 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    *All hail the mighty glow cloud.*

  • @georgehenderson7783
    @georgehenderson7783 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This movie is cinematic excrement?

  • @SquierStrat72
    @SquierStrat72 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As much as I actually love much about this movie, it definitely hasn't been dubbed "The Motionless Picture" for nothing................. :D

  • @Ciborium
    @Ciborium ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Star Trek: The Motion Picture is more "2001: A Space Odessy" than "Star Wars".
    The uniforms look like 1970s space cruise ship uniforms. They look comfy. Maybe they were made from the wrong material? The successor uniforms look like British military wool uniforms. Less comfortable and restrictive looking.

  • @MrThischarmingman2
    @MrThischarmingman2 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Sean, if I may ask, what do you think of Peter Capaldi as the current Doctor? Have you even seen any of the latest episodes, or are you watching all of the classics first?

    • @LaineMann
      @LaineMann 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +MrThischarmingman2 I personally thought he as okay, but he's a little old for my taste.

  • @xgray2012
    @xgray2012 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love. your. William. Shatner. impression, Sean.

  • @eatthisvr6
    @eatthisvr6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What's the thing with Steven Collins??

    • @chasx7062
      @chasx7062 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Second that heh

  • @krdragon6950
    @krdragon6950 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    TODAY IN #StarTrek HISTORY: December 7, 1979
    "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" debuts in the United States. Happy anniversary!!🖖

  • @hawardxmendez4246
    @hawardxmendez4246 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good review! I do eenjoy this movie, in the right mind-set. I've loved the images, the "visuals" since the first time I saw it... BUt I can understand what Sean said in the review.

  • @mazikaze
    @mazikaze 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could someone please explain, where does the "IIIIINNNN SPAAACEEE!" meme originate from? I've heard it also for example at the Honest Trailers videos.

    • @melissahughes4205
      @melissahughes4205 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      mazikaze it’s from the “Pigs in Space” skits on The Muppet Show. One part Star Trek, one part Flash Gordon, one part bacon, with the occasional Star Wars character cameo for maximum cheesiness

    • @RichardWatt
      @RichardWatt 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@melissahughes4205 You can never have too much bacon....