@@ZanderRice-u3z people usually say they're people under 13, who try to get their hands on every prototype recreation ROM-hack they can. (Edit: especially ones that are private, or unfinished)
Ok, I look for beta remakes/fake betas every so often. And I don’t ask for downloads for every one I see. And when I do ask, If they say it’s unfinished or something, I just carry on with my day.
Found a few other things while looking at the disassembled code: - the Sonic 2 demo index is still present, while the used index have four entries that all point to AIZ1 - the level select cheat reuses the Sonic 2 code for the Tails/Miles name swap
one thing i've noticed about the title screen is that the sprite bears a striking resemblance to the model used on the cover of the Virtual Sonic album
IMO it def makes sense - Sonic 2 was built off of Sonic 1 (as the Nick Arcade proto shows), seems logical to take twhat exists, and tweak it into something new than to just write it from scratch.
@@DanknDerpyGamerit is also easier and better,since you don't have to bother with creating a new engine from the ground up,which takes a lot of time and money.
@@swordhere3396 E X A C T L Y This reusing and repurposing an existing engine is also seen in Konami's Dance Dance Revolution series (screenshots from DDRMAX DanceDanceRevolution 6thMIX showing DanceDanceRevolution 5thMIX song list/song wheel song title graphics, DDR EXTREME development screenshots showing a garbled music select screen with garbled DDRMAX DanceDanceRevolution 7thMIX graphics, for instance.)
I always thought that the Title Screen lasted only for such a short time, because back then they still had the Sonic 2 Title Theme. Turns out, I was wrong. Keep at it though, can't wait for the next one!
To anyone curious about the color differences seen around 0:44 to 1:06 and my amusement We have Sonic 2s on the left, sonic 3s on right. Starting with the 01 color on right with sonic 2 and 3 respectively. 01 Orange = 01 Very Dark Gray (This is Tails Orange in Sonic 2. And in Sonic 3 color 01 is has the very dark grey for outline of Sonics shoe.) 02 Light Orange = 02 Dark Grey 03 Dark Red = 03 Grey 04 Bright Red = 04 Bright Grey 05 Dark Peanut = 05 Similar 06 Light Peanut = Similarly (Colors 05 and 06 are for Sonics skin tones. These positions match in the sequence between both.) 07 Dark Grey = 07 Orange 08 Mid Grey = 08 Light Orange 09 Light Grey = 09 Dark Red 10 White = 10 Bright Red 11 Lightest blue= 11 Green 12 Light Blue = 12 Darkest Blue 13 Mid Blue = Mid Blue 14 Dark Blue= Light Blue. 15 Black = White. You can see the blues go Darker to Light in Sonic 2, but Lighter to Dark in Sonic 3. EDIT: I fixed an error i made in this comment. I forgot to list Black on the sonic 2 side. And there was a mistaken extra blue taking its place. I decided to call 13 mid blue. It should be right now lol
people! we need to keep searching for Sonic 3 prototypes! if we're lucky, we might find a build that's older than this one! (the 1103 prototype is actually from late October. i would assume it to be dated somewhere between October 20th and October 31st, meaning that the proto is from the last month of development)
6:33 I swear I unironically got to that palette test screen using a glitch that happened on an emulator after using certain game genie/action replay codes Edit: In Sonic 3 And Knuckles
I'm guessing the 47 frame animation in the title screen would've essentially been similar to the S3 title screen we got (like where Sonic flies into the Screen), but less optimized and more smooth
I always thought the Sega screen turning black except the logo and keeping the lines white was intentional to make it look cool or something (especially mixed with the muffled audio), even though it was just for a prototype and not the final game lol
So for stuff like 2:56 that still exists unused in the final game did dataminers find this stuff before knowing about the prototype and just not really know what it was or did they only find it after seeing it in the prototype and looking for it?
actually interesting that there are 47 (43) different frames coded in. would have it resulted in a longer/smoother animation? I dont think there was one, just coded into the ROM before the sprites being imported, since the tiles would have taken up a lot of cartridge space.
I hope Sonic 3 Alpha broken palette SEGA logo sonic joins the ranks of Weichidna and Ashura and Blue Knuckles. gotta admit the black and orange eyes with the white shoes looks pretty cool.
istg why is there atleast 3 different sightings of an X lookalike in Sonic 3K you'd think there be a black eyed Sonic glitch in S1 and S2 too but the closest thing to it is Ashura
The model of Sonic in this protorype feels more akin to S1/S2 Sonic instead of the final one which is akin to S3/SK Sonic. EDIT: That model feels more or so likely the same one used in SK's title screen and in Blue Spheres.
Hi there. I don’t know if this was already known, but basically on RetroArch, I pressed the Y + Start button on the title, and when I loaded AIZ it gave me the debug mode. Now, I know that the Genesis controller as 3 buttons, but any explanation on why this happens?
silver sonic 1992 is the type of guy to wish for more sonic 3 prototype leaks when he sees a shooting star
aswell as beta kids, but yea, what if it comes true and we get a build 3 days before and 2 days after this?
i would too tbh
I think I might be a beta kid, what does it mean to be a beta kid
@@ZanderRice-u3z people usually say they're people under 13, who try to get their hands on every prototype recreation ROM-hack they can. (Edit: especially ones that are private, or unfinished)
Ok, I look for beta remakes/fake betas every so often. And I don’t ask for downloads for every one I see. And when I do ask, If they say it’s unfinished or something, I just carry on with my day.
bro made a 30 second title screen to a 6 minute video
a nearly 7 minute video
Found a few other things while looking at the disassembled code:
- the Sonic 2 demo index is still present, while the used index have four entries that all point to AIZ1
- the level select cheat reuses the Sonic 2 code for the Tails/Miles name swap
Interesting analysis of the title screen and the game itself. Hopefully more prototypes leak especially the ones with more Sonic & Knuckles levels.
one thing i've noticed about the title screen is that the sprite bears a striking resemblance to the model used on the cover of the Virtual Sonic album
Yes, it's the same or an earlier version of it.
Surprising to see that this is an updated version of Sonic 2's engine.
I mean, sonic 2 was built on top of sonic 1 so of course they’d do the same for sonic 3.
IMO it def makes sense - Sonic 2 was built off of Sonic 1 (as the Nick Arcade proto shows), seems logical to take twhat exists, and tweak it into something new than to just write it from scratch.
@@DanknDerpyGamerit is also easier and better,since you don't have to bother with creating a new engine from the ground up,which takes a lot of time and money.
Sonic 2 is essentially a sonic 1 rom hack, same goes for sonic 3
@@swordhere3396 E X A C T L Y
This reusing and repurposing an existing engine is also seen in Konami's Dance Dance Revolution series (screenshots from DDRMAX DanceDanceRevolution
6thMIX showing DanceDanceRevolution 5thMIX song list/song wheel song title graphics, DDR EXTREME development screenshots showing a garbled music select screen with garbled DDRMAX DanceDanceRevolution 7thMIX graphics, for instance.)
As always, the GOAT of Sonic 3 talking about the behind-the-scenes of a prototype of another GOATed game.
I always thought that the Title Screen lasted only for such a short time, because back then they still had the Sonic 2 Title Theme.
Turns out, I was wrong. Keep at it though, can't wait for the next one!
To anyone curious about the color differences seen around 0:44 to 1:06 and my amusement
We have Sonic 2s on the left, sonic 3s on right.
Starting with the 01 color on right with sonic 2 and 3 respectively.
01 Orange = 01 Very Dark Gray
(This is Tails Orange in Sonic 2.
And in Sonic 3 color 01 is has the very dark grey for outline of Sonics shoe.)
02 Light Orange = 02 Dark Grey
03 Dark Red = 03 Grey
04 Bright Red = 04 Bright Grey
05 Dark Peanut = 05 Similar
06 Light Peanut = Similarly
(Colors 05 and 06 are for Sonics skin tones. These positions match in the sequence between both.)
07 Dark Grey = 07 Orange
08 Mid Grey = 08 Light Orange
09 Light Grey = 09 Dark Red
10 White = 10 Bright Red
11 Lightest blue= 11 Green
12 Light Blue = 12 Darkest Blue
13 Mid Blue = Mid Blue
14 Dark Blue= Light Blue.
15 Black = White.
You can see the blues go Darker to Light in Sonic 2, but Lighter to Dark in Sonic 3.
EDIT: I fixed an error i made in this comment. I forgot to list Black on the sonic 2 side. And there was a mistaken extra blue taking its place. I decided to call 13 mid blue. It should be right now lol
I give it a week before the sonic with the fucked up palette becomes an exe 😭
people! we need to keep searching for Sonic 3 prototypes! if we're lucky, we might find a build that's older than this one! (the 1103 prototype is actually from late October. i would assume it to be dated somewhere between October 20th and October 31st, meaning that the proto is from the last month of development)
I don’t think the search ever stops, took decades of non stop hunting to get this one.
@@protocetid a September 1993 proto of Sonic 3 would be great, or at least a 4 megabyte prototype before the April 8 proto
This is just beautiful! Love all the info here, keep on boss!!! ❤
Thanks!
I wonder what animation could have facilitated 47 frames, and what kinda movement woul dhave made the repeat in frames 5-8 work? Very cool find!
Oh wow, that's really interesting. I always wanted to know what kind of mess is going here. Thanks for the explanation!
6:33 I swear I unironically got to that palette test screen using a glitch that happened on an emulator after using certain game genie/action replay codes
Edit: In Sonic 3 And Knuckles
WOOOOOO MORE SONIC 3 PROTOTYPE ANALYSIS CONTENT, my FAV!
I'm guessing the 47 frame animation in the title screen would've essentially been similar to the S3 title screen we got (like where Sonic flies into the Screen), but less optimized and more smooth
Frame 17 would be the transition, and thr Frame repeating would be the Sega logo
Les go new vid!
I always thought the Sega screen turning black except the logo and keeping the lines white was intentional to make it look cool or something (especially mixed with the muffled audio), even though it was just for a prototype and not the final game lol
lets gooo more S3 Proto content
I would LOVE to see the 47 frames animated version of the tittle screen, great video ^o^ )/
Welcome back my man
2:11 (In Flightsreacts style) YO THAT'S ME
0:34 wow sonic.exe before sonic.exe
That color pallete test looks nice
So for stuff like 2:56 that still exists unused in the final game did dataminers find this stuff before knowing about the prototype and just not really know what it was or did they only find it after seeing it in the prototype and looking for it?
It's possible, but I've never seen it mentioned before.
Made my day >333
THE SONIC.EXE IS REAL
can we get much higheeeer
That fella just stole old graphical data and used the S2 palette lmaooo.
Now use Debug Mode during the ending of Sonic 3A.
Very Interesting!
i sure hope it does
A new title screen look at
5:55 Tails has encountered a !(@^#^#@*.
thinking about an alternate timelines where they used that green for his eyes
Neat!
2:45 By chance, where is this unused code?
Under locret_3AB0 in the Sonic 3A disassembly.
@SilverSonic1992 Thanks!
How do I get the unused intro "animation" at 4:05?
Use the code 0035F8:001C
yay
actually interesting that there are 47 (43) different frames coded in. would have it resulted in a longer/smoother animation? I dont think there was one, just coded into the ROM before the sprites being imported, since the tiles would have taken up a lot of cartridge space.
🎉Happy 1971th Late Birthday Sonic 3 1103 Prototype! (1993-2024)🎉
I hope Sonic 3 Alpha broken palette SEGA logo sonic joins the ranks of Weichidna and Ashura and Blue Knuckles. gotta admit the black and orange eyes with the white shoes looks pretty cool.
He's literally Cyborg Sonic with orange eyes
how did they program in a sprite scaling function??
istg why is there atleast 3 different sightings of an X lookalike in Sonic 3K
you'd think there be a black eyed Sonic glitch in S1 and S2 too but the closest thing to it is Ashura
I wish an earlier prototype will be found
Because how can the developers of the gamecom release of Sonic Jam have those early assets?!? Do they have the prototype?
@@MotivatedSharkie I think they had source code assets.
Interesting stuff, I guess.
Never thought I'd get here early.
What disassembler do you use?
The model of Sonic in this protorype feels more akin to S1/S2 Sonic instead of the final one which is akin to S3/SK Sonic.
EDIT: That model feels more or so likely the same one used in SK's title screen and in Blue Spheres.
It's also the exact same model used in the Virtual Sonic Album Cover.
Is there a reason as to why Angel Island skips the intro if you load the level yourself, unlike when it does when you let the demo play?
Hi there. I don’t know if this was already known, but basically on RetroArch, I pressed the Y + Start button on the title, and when I loaded AIZ it gave me the debug mode. Now, I know that the Genesis controller as 3 buttons, but any explanation on why this happens?
There were also official six-button controllers, they may have been used in testing.
@ oh. Didn’t knew that. That may answer it then.
I want to ask is there any sonic 2 songs left in sonic 3?
Only jingles like the drowning countdown or the Chaos Emerald.
0:41 Sonic EXE is real after all!
Unrelated but
If Sonic has a green color in his S3 palette
then
They were planning the redesign since sonic 3!? (No)
0:34 Sonic.exe
interesting
Is there a code to run the animation script on the title screen?
0035F8:001C will do it.
@@SilverSonic1992Not to bother you again, but does the SEGA screen still attempt to load the Silver Sonic sprites?
@@TeSu-fs7mp Nope.
4:05
Nice try SONIC.EXE
Why does bro look like faker?
1 view in 46 seconds. Falling off smh
(Just kidding, glad to see a new vid)
Bro this is the best gift we get all week since Trump won the 2024 US election 🥳🎉
politics in sonic video ew 👿
Noone wants your shitty politics in the comments of a sonic video 🙏🙏🙏
@KirbTheKorb omg bro yes, thank you Yuji Naka and Shinzo Abe for bringing us these wonderful things.
Trump is Robotnik/Eggman in real life. What's wrong with you????
Dude, leave politics out of this. No one wants to hear that, ya pesky plumber.
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