I'm probably not going to be the only one to point this out, but honetly my favourite point of the cue cards is the 'sorry I left you in Aberdeen' one, as a reference to Sarah Jane.
The thing about the cue cards is that this was when he was trying to be more sensitive at Clara's request. So it's just funny that she wrote some suggestions and him playing along not thinking he needs coaching just rattles them out. It's not a mistake and it makes complete sense for the 12th doctor
Yeah that one was definitely a miss. 12 was by far the least human / "people person" Doctor of the modern era (which made him awesome), of course he needed flashcards reminding him not to accidentally trample all over the feelings of the pudding brains he's constantly surrounded by.
@@MarcelNL I never understood why people love his doctor so much but after watching the whole regeneration I see why. I think I just got used to the awkwardness 🤣🤣🤣 he's definitely hard to explain if you just pull random scenes
The weirdest thing about Craig surviving the conversion isn't the power of love, but the fact that his brain is still inside his skull and his skull is still inside his skin and it's all attached to his body.
@7:20 - easy to figure out, when you're an engineer. Answer is: they didn't have a "spin button". There wasn't necessarily a one-to-one relationship between Donna's controls and the Dalek's systems, so she may have designated one dial as a macro to control a Dalek's rotation through their propulsion systems, as part of a suite of remote controls. So, when she turned the dial all the way it simply went max speed rotation that direction, which was then translated into the specific controls within the Dalek's system. Easy. 🤓 {edit] - oh, as an alternative, the Daleks may very well have a spin function but it's only meant to be used momentarily in order to turn, in combination with whatever other maneuvers they are doing. In that case, Donna's controls are overriding it, setting rotation to max in a specified direction, with no time limit.
I've always guessed dr.donna did a lot of rewiring of the console before standing up where we could see her. They didn't have a spin button but they do now :)
4: I think the reason was ruby's mother put her down and started to walk away, then the goblins appear, pinch ruby, then the doctor rescues her, puts her back in place, resetting the timeline, which is why her mother is still walking away
putting her back doesn't reset the timeline, or all the coincidences wouldn't've occured, he's just stopping her from being goblin food, but that moment was happening in his timeline and not back in the past, so it's not changing the timeline at all, it's just russel does not know how to direct this new show.
I don’t have any problem with the cards. I know many do. They say The Doctor knows humans well and shouldn’t need them. But many times he does seem clueless about human social interaction (sometimes it’s likely on purpose). It seems to me the cards serve as a reminder of the human social niceties he just has no time for when he’s focused on solving the current situation. Easy enough to imagine Clara sitting down and thinking up all the main things he might need to say and making them. Easy enough to see they serve as a reminder to pause and say the nice thing even when he’s busy. It’s not that he couldn’t think of it on his own. It’s just that he’s rather not have to bother when he’s focused on something else. And it’s funny.
Also 12 early on was NOTABLY WORSE at human social interactions than just about any of his predecessors (except maybe Six), so it would make sense why he and/or Clara would agree that the cards were needed.
I don’t have a problem with the cue cards either. We have to remember that Clara is a teacher and his carer. In a previous episode the Doctor said she was his carer so he didn’t have to. Overall, not just this episode, It’s like Clara is trying to remind him not to bottle up all the pain. He’s been hurt so many times that he appears cold to human suffering but we know that really isn’t true. The cards are a reminder for him to try and connect again and not to stay detached.
I always interpreted the Donna moment as her typing code to hack dalek systems, after referencing her typing speed - I thought of it more like an 'Enter' (Return) key on a keyboard than a 'spin button'
Ten's handy spare hand can probably be explained by Torchwood One picking it up, then later Jack taking it from them. He knows the Doctor will return to the Rift to refuel but he doesnt know when, so he could have convinced TW1 to let him have it
But she already had her back to the Angel, so throwing the rock merely made her turn around and face it, thereby locking it in place. Would've been simpler for it to just ninja up behind her. I was going to question HOW the Doctor knew it throws the rock to make her duck. But i guess that would be included in the transcript.
To be honest, its more of a 'throw the rock so it misses and she turns to see what we're dealing with in this episode' moment. Moffat was just like 'here look what I came up with' in that scene
Like a ragged baby... "Boatswain" is pronounced "bosun". It's fine, though. Y'all may not be the fans of the Royal Navy that I am. Fun fact: in Patrick O'Brien's Aubrey/Maturin novels, the IRISH doctor Stephen Maturin usually acts as a stand-in for the audience, having things like bosun explained to him, and thereby to the audience. Sean is in some good Irish company.
The only explanation I have for the killing Cybermen with love thing is the Cybermen being overpowered by emotion which is something they don’t have. Idk
'the power of love' defeating the cybermen actually makes sense bc their whole thing is that they dont have emotions, giving them emotions, as weve seen in the 2006 episode, destroys them mentally. is it corny? yes. is it wrong? no
Maybe. But how come Cyber conversion now just means bunging a cyber suit on someome over their own clothes, when it's always involved surgery, brain removal and installation or other invasive procedures before?
@@gilgameshofuruk4060Yeah, I thought they’d go after that. That’s a really solid complaint. The idea of his paternal instinct kicking in way more emotions than just love… fear, anger, and all the other things a dad would feel if his kid was in danger… makes a lot of sense. Strapping a chonky man, or any man, straight into the suit? Don’t think so.
It went too far. Overcoming conversion with strong emotions is indeed possible - we saw that a bunch of times e.g. Miss Hartigan, Danny Pink, Yvonne Hartman among others - but it doesn't flat out undo the conversion, you still become a cyberman. It just keeps you from being taken over by the hivemind. Having James Corden stay human and zap them all because baby was too fairy tale even by 11's standards.
I genuinely think the cue cards are about the Doctor having autism/adhd, and also not being entirely conscious of human politeness, just blurting out ideas without regard for the sensitivity of the topic.
One honourable mention would be that whole sequence of Clara inside the Dalek on Skaro. How the Dalek machine changes the words she’s says to exterminate, when we’ve other daleks in the past saying whatever they like; It makes no sense whatsoever. Oh and also that missy said they say exterminate to reload????
3:50 personally I always believed Torchwood One recovered it after seeing it fall from the skyes, probably, thanks to their scanners and satellites, and then Jack salvaged it with everything else after the fall of Torchwood One. After all, in Torchwood's episode 'Fragments', Ianto says he saw Jack's team salavge equipment from tje ruins of Torchwood One, to which Jack answered that he didn't want it to fall into the wrong hands. Or perhaps he got the hand sooner, during one of his encounters with Yvonne
That's what I figure.either Torchwood One grabbed it, or another group did (LINDA and Torchwood cannot be the only groups investigating the Doctor) and Yvonne came along and took it, with Jack taking it from their remains later.
I always thought that the original torchwood found the hand and jack repurposed it because they at the least had a base there with a giant laser and that definitely something they would do
It's much more likely that 'evil' Torchwood under Yvonne Hartman's lead was monitoring the situation (they did blow up the Sycorax ship after all) and sent a retrieval team for The Doctor's hand immediately from Torchwood Tower.
Just a weird linguistic FYI, "boatswain" is pronounced "boh-sun". It's even alternatively spelled "bosun" (or "bo's'n/bo'sun/bos'n). If ever you've seen a "chair" made of rope and a board being used to dangle a sailor over the side - maybe to clean the boat - or to transfer people or things between two boats, that's the "boatswain's chair".
I thought 12's cue cards made sense because Clara wanted him to be more considerate of other's feelings so she probably made the cards for him. What I don't think made sense was the 13th to 14th Doctor's regeneration because it was never explained how the clothes changed (in universe). I appreciate RTD giving a real life explanation, but his reasoning didn't make much more sense.
I feel the need to point out, in regards to number 4, that considering there's a lot of mystery around Ruby's mother, it is possible that she stopped to watch him do all that before continuing to walk on. It's not as if he looked back to check what she was doing. (This does all assume there is actually something going on there and who she is actually does matter, which may not be the case)
He'd lost all access to his own form of time travel by this point though surely?? My theory is he was ofc employed by Torchwood but the London branch hadn't fallen and so must've acquired the Doctor's hand via their own means, Jack either is given it in the hopes of finding the Doctor (don't forget, Torchwood were obsessed with locating him, Jack may have conveyed in someone that of a similar description without outright naming the Doctor). What seems more plausible however is that Jack may have discovered it amongst other pieces of alien tech at the Canary Warf site after its demise
Completely unrelated to Doctor Who: Love the shirt Sean! I have the same one! Whenever I wear it, everyone always thinks it’s for the music genre Disco… Of course we both know it’s not. I’m glad to know I’m not the only one to have that shirt 😅
I still see people complain about Ruby's mother walking slow... but somebody literally landed behind her and started pulling down an airship with his bare hands and impaling it on a church spire. Why wouldn't she stop to watch before confused and making sure Ruby is still safe before carrying on?
Okay, I can explain most of the mentioned things away with it being all wibbly wobbly, but why didn't the exit of the Ponds made to this list? Like I still don't get it. If the Doctor couldn't pick them back up at this specific time because of this paradox thing going on, why weren't the Ponds able to travel up to Canada or something and he would reach them there? Or since they weren't stuck in a different timeline/dimension he could just easily grab them a year later - this dude has a literal timemachine would've taken him like two minutes to fix this problem 🙃
@@geoffroi-le-Hook not to mention "whose eyes?". If any living thing viewing them prevents them moving, that would include birds, mammals, amphibians, reptiles, insects, etc., and anything that "holds their image becomes one" would include anything looking at them. None of it makes any sense.
How the hell did she get zapped back in time anyway, the doctor was facing the direction where he could easily see the statue behind her but somehow it got her anyway. At no point did he say 'theres an angel behind you, move'
In regards to the hand I assume that anything that falls off a massive alien spaceship would be being tracked and picked up by really any agency even if Torchwood wasn't around properly in London at that point
I can make sense of the Cybermen. That was a small group that got stranded at that mall and were just trying to create more as quick as possible. All they were doing is trying to get the suit on him. It’s not like typically where the Cybermen chop up the body at the same time. It was only a partial conversion. The idea that he got some papa-bear strength at the thought of not being there for his child isn’t that out of the question. We’ve seen Cybermen overide their programming before.
What we've never seen was someone reversing cybernetic implantation with absolutely no physical sign of where the implants went through the power of any emotion one could name. Turning someone into a Cyberman isn't just psychic control from an external source, it's sticking a lot of technology inside of the person through surgery. A Cyberman isn't a suit, it's the person's surgically altered body. Which also makes several other Cyberman scenes (for instance, the cyberman's head full of tentacles in the Underhenge) nonsencial, too. The modern series did a remarkably poor job with the Cybermen from post-David Tennant's run up until the end of Peter Capaldi's where they finally remembered what the Cybermen do to people.
With the soldiers falling for the zygon thing, I felt the same at first. But thinking about it, even if you knew it was aliens taking the form of your mother or whatever else, you would still find that extremely psychologically hard. Even if the rational part of your brain was telling you it's a shapeshifter there would almost certainly be an instinct stopping you
I don’t see an issue with the cue cards. I don’t think that’s the right name for them but the point is… the Doctor can regenerate into men, women, different skin colors, etc. So why couldn’t he regenerate Autistic? Because let me tell you, at least some of us out here really resonated with the idea of needing note cards for social interaction. Social phobia and other issues would also explain it, but he doesn’t seem to be dealing with social phobia. I don’t think they were flagging him as Autistic, mind you. His situation always seemed more like recovery from a traumatic event. Eventually he becomes more confident and able to function without the note cards.
I think 12 makes more sense when you remember who his last incarnation became. He spent 900 years fighting an endless war on Trenzalore, watching everybody he knew die, then their children, then their children, for dozens of generations, for half his entire life. It makes sense that he'd be more detached from the human experience after that, as they all began to blur together to him, with their short lifespans.
6:43 Plenty humans drive the wrong way up a road or into rivers because their car's SatNav told them to. The controls Doctor-Donna messes with could be Dalek GPS or some sort of homing signal. I'd imagine those one-eyed octopus/lizard things would be reliant on electronic censors to orientate and locate themselves.
I mean if we're going to talk about the Christmas special lets talk about how an entire goblin pirate ship landed on a church with literally nobody inside noticing and the building sustaining no damage at all.
Just gonna point out for the sea devils that the doctor has mention previously that the tardis would run away if it was ever underwater, so how was it eaten??? Also they could have just de-materialised and boom, they've escaped!
I think we can imaginatively explain some of these 9-the power of love short circuiting the cyber men isn't that crazy, maybe it overloaded some emotional inhibitor that was being installed 6-maybe the government recovered the hand quickly then Torchwood took control of it (they are part of the government after all and they had a London branch at the time) 5- I'd bet Clara wrote all the cards her self and just gave them to the doctor to practice because he's always sticking is foot in his mouth (like a teacher would give her student) 3- it probably wasn't actually a button made specifically to spin, I assumed that it was some sort of overide control that took control of their movement and Donna had just reprogrammed it to spin them
jack is easily explained. Torchwood was called in and they collected it and Jack got it, or after the call in Jack was brought in as well, hell maybe he was part of the attack on the ship. either way there was time to get there, torchwood might already had a lock on it.
There's a lot in the new Who that dosn't make sense. One that isn't mentioned much is the idea that the Doctor spent part of his youth growing up in a barn, in the wilderness, outside of the main city on Gallifrey. Classic Who showed us that the Doctor knew his way round and was very familiar with the halls of power and those in charge on Gallifrey. In the Tom Baker story 'The Invasion of Time', Timelords didn't dare leave the city. The Doctor, whose upbringing was made clear to be within the families of the highest class of Timelords, would never spend his youth sleeping in a barn outside the city. That whole concept jars so much with classic Who, it makes the stories that follow with it such a disappointment. Just as I was beginning to really enjoy Peter Capaldi in the role, and they come up with that twoddle!
Came here to say that! I thought it was The Doctor (or Martha) saving Sally from the Angel she had her back to by lobbing a rock. Which they knew to do because Sally wrote down what she'd uncovered under the wallpaper so The Doctor could write the message... wibbly wobbly...
Spinning dalek button is easy to explain... it's dav ros's chair he was being held as prisoner by his own creation... so he created a contingency plan to escape and restart if needed... send them into infinit spin and give him time to escape...
The Daleks having a spin button actually makes total sense. Think about how manuvreable those tanks must be. Consider how sluggish our real life tanks are. And Daleks can only shot in one direction. Of course they’d have a feature that allows them to spin 180 degrees in a hurry. And also, spinning Daleks. Of course!
What about that bit in An Unearthly Child when the two teachers walk into a police box and find it's bigger on the inside , and next thing you know they are in prehistoric times. That made no sense whatsoever.
Actually, I CAN explain Craig, because I'm cool like that.. You see, they were the alternate Earth Cybermen on a limited power budget, and if you'll recall, they are unable to deal with emotion, as the leader of Torchwood also rebelled. Craig was only being put in a shell, so of course if the one lady who overcame the Cyber King could do it, so could he. Simple. Weeping Angels can throw rocks...if you're trying to incapacitate someone inside a house through a window that you are outside and may not be able to reach. It's a rare thing, but it can happen. Jack Harkness was probably in London as soon as the alien space ship arrived, and easily grabbed the hand, which would've been fine for most of the day easily, because Timelord regeneration preserving it. The Thirteenth Doctor, you're forgetting, has a bit of a social blindspot, and *you know* Clara would've written the cards herself as she noticed this, and insisted that he use them. And finally, the last one I have anything to say about: The Doctor Donna installed the spin button when she re-programmed the Dalek Network because she's just that good, and that was the point.
I have long (LONG) had an issue with Time Travel movies, stories, shows, and "things that make no sense". And yet… I never seem to be too bothered by Doctor Who, which I've been watching since the late 60s. As I've explained to my friends, kids, and now grandkids (I said "LONG"), "it's Doctor Who". And I don't think it's just me. As always thank you all so very much for the videos.
I loved time travel stories when I was a kid. Sort of still do, but there's always a "hang on, why, how, who or what" moment. The only one I ever saw that seemed to tie up all the loose ends and problems was an episode of the 1990s Outer Limits about a time traveller killing serial killers before their first crime. Although, I suspect if I saw it now, I may spot something.
@@gilgameshofuruk4060There is one Time Travel movie I recall that I think had an interesting logic that worked. It's a (Very) low-budget, straight-to-video documentary-style film based on an 'interrupted' phone call to Art Bell called "Lunopolis" (2010). I think the basic idea is interesting; however the production and acting is... low budget. (At least it was better than a student film some friends and I did in college.)
It's things like the slow walk that make me even more concerned that RTD doesn't really have any clue what to do anymore. His writing used to be so much better.
What is spinning? Turning in a specific direction for an amount of time to make atleast 1 full circle... So its safe to say that donna made them infinitely turn right/left
I imagine that as jack is the face of boe, and hes been around a bit, he was aware of the dr losing his hand and knew roughly where to go....as jack even, he could have got this info from rose, Jackie, Harriet or the dr... just cause it wasnt seen on screen, doesnt mean it didnt happen...
When it comes to jack finding the doctors hand, all he would really have to do is find out when it was chopped off then just use his vortex manipulator to travel to that moment and see where it landed then recover it. Time travel people
I can excuse some of the problems with legends of the sea devils cause it was made during the pandemic and didn’t have the luxury of providing proper post production on it but that doesn’t mean it’s a totally good special either
Doomsday Yvonne Hartman underwent a cyber conversion in to a Cybermen & she used her emotions. Shooting Cybermen with a energy gun & said "I did my duty, for Queen and country: Captain Jack and the doctor's hand: The only thing I could find online in Canon or expanded universe material is that Captain Jack just found the Hand and recovered it. Also During the Christmas Invasion The Sycorax sword also fell off. Published on the BBC Website about a week before Series 2 of Doctor Who began was a web game - Security Bot, also known as Help Mickey! A video game in which the player helps Mickey Smith by controlling a motorised robot to discover and destroy the Sycorax sword whilst discovering more artefacts and avoiding the security bots at the The Leamington Spa Lifeboat Museum said to be owned by the Torchwood Institute. Nothing about the Sycorax body though.
Re: Blink. Who says an Angel? Perhaps the Doctor threw the rock at Sally so she knew it wasn't a coincidence. And before someone mentions all the Angels outside, the Doctor would know it's safe in that particular spot because he'd already done it in accordance with Sally's notes. (Thank you Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire)
I think the rock in blink was cause the angel didn't want people snooping around about where this missing girl went and come to the house so it decided to just kill her with a rock so the could find a body...but thats still kinda bad ...
never had a problem with the hand thing. Even if it falls onto London, both UNIT and Torchwood have a base, and you know they were both watching the Doctor like a hawk
6:38 They had indicated that time had stopped or really slowed at the moment the Goblins took baby Ruby. So, unless she's a time lord, Ruby's Mom was also stopped/slowed so that she had not moved any further. Time kicked back in after the Goblin King died.
Using the power of love makes 100% sense. What's the Cybermens biggest weakness? EMOTIONS! What's the most powerful emotion? LOVE! Come on WhoCulture, do better.
I will admit that love defeating the Cybermen was a letdown but I still love this episode because it's set in my home city of Colchester which was kinda cool for me😊
The cue cards make perfect sense. The 12th Doctor has 0 interpersonal skills, he's always blunt and completely oblivious to the emotions of others, which often leads to him saying things without thinking about the impact on other people. Clara was trying to fix this problem with the cue cards. Come on WhoCulture, do better.
I'm probably not going to be the only one to point this out, but honetly my favourite point of the cue cards is the 'sorry I left you in Aberdeen' one, as a reference to Sarah Jane.
Which Clara would have seen in his timestream!
The thing about the cue cards is that this was when he was trying to be more sensitive at Clara's request. So it's just funny that she wrote some suggestions and him playing along not thinking he needs coaching just rattles them out. It's not a mistake and it makes complete sense for the 12th doctor
Yeah that one was definitely a miss. 12 was by far the least human / "people person" Doctor of the modern era (which made him awesome), of course he needed flashcards reminding him not to accidentally trample all over the feelings of the pudding brains he's constantly surrounded by.
I didn't mind the cue dards as much as how awkward Matt's doctor was, especially in The Lodger.
@@MarcelNL I never understood why people love his doctor so much but after watching the whole regeneration I see why. I think I just got used to the awkwardness 🤣🤣🤣 he's definitely hard to explain if you just pull random scenes
He does have amazing episodes and as a character he does grow over time.
But that goofiness is just cringe!
@@TophMajora
To be honest, I had to rewatch the episode because I completely forgot that scene existed.
The Davros impression just about killed me XD
And I will avenge your death!
I watched it again and again 😂
The weirdest thing about Craig surviving the conversion isn't the power of love, but the fact that his brain is still inside his skull and his skull is still inside his skin and it's all attached to his body.
@7:20 - easy to figure out, when you're an engineer. Answer is: they didn't have a "spin button". There wasn't necessarily a one-to-one relationship between Donna's controls and the Dalek's systems, so she may have designated one dial as a macro to control a Dalek's rotation through their propulsion systems, as part of a suite of remote controls. So, when she turned the dial all the way it simply went max speed rotation that direction, which was then translated into the specific controls within the Dalek's system. Easy. 🤓
{edit] - oh, as an alternative, the Daleks may very well have a spin function but it's only meant to be used momentarily in order to turn, in combination with whatever other maneuvers they are doing. In that case, Donna's controls are overriding it, setting rotation to max in a specified direction, with no time limit.
Yeah, I always thought of it as the 'Enter' (Return) key on a keyboard, never really understood the complaint on this one
I've always guessed dr.donna did a lot of rewiring of the console before standing up where we could see her. They didn't have a spin button but they do now :)
Capaldi's cards make perfect sense. He's dense on reading a room and has zero chill so Clara made him a list of sensitive answers.
The Daleks have a Spin button also a Delicate Cycle...=))
And a quick wash 😂
Heavy loads for when Harkness pops by. 😉😱🤯
DELICATE!!!!
4: I think the reason was ruby's mother put her down and started to walk away, then the goblins appear, pinch ruby, then the doctor rescues her, puts her back in place, resetting the timeline, which is why her mother is still walking away
Good point. Another reason could be, that she stopped walking and watched what happend at the church :)
@@Oliver_Mayer THIS! TY
@@Oliver_Mayer or needed a rest as she'd just given birth
putting her back doesn't reset the timeline, or all the coincidences wouldn't've occured, he's just stopping her from being goblin food, but that moment was happening in his timeline and not back in the past, so it's not changing the timeline at all, it's just russel does not know how to direct this new show.
@@Oliver_Mayer why the fuck would she've watched, most shitty excuse ever.
I don’t have any problem with the cards. I know many do. They say The Doctor knows humans well and shouldn’t need them. But many times he does seem clueless about human social interaction (sometimes it’s likely on purpose).
It seems to me the cards serve as a reminder of the human social niceties he just has no time for when he’s focused on solving the current situation.
Easy enough to imagine Clara sitting down and thinking up all the main things he might need to say and making them. Easy enough to see they serve as a reminder to pause and say the nice thing even when he’s busy.
It’s not that he couldn’t think of it on his own. It’s just that he’s rather not have to bother when he’s focused on something else.
And it’s funny.
Including the Sarah Jane reference cue card?
Also 12 early on was NOTABLY WORSE at human social interactions than just about any of his predecessors (except maybe Six), so it would make sense why he and/or Clara would agree that the cards were needed.
@@LumiRockets Hey, Six has been criticised much more than he deserves! Give him a break!
I don’t have a problem with the cue cards either. We have to remember that Clara is a teacher and his carer. In a previous episode the Doctor said she was his carer so he didn’t have to. Overall, not just this episode, It’s like Clara is trying to remind him not to bottle up all the pain. He’s been hurt so many times that he appears cold to human suffering but we know that really isn’t true. The cards are a reminder for him to try and connect again and not to stay detached.
I always interpreted the Donna moment as her typing code to hack dalek systems, after referencing her typing speed - I thought of it more like an 'Enter' (Return) key on a keyboard than a 'spin button'
Ten's handy spare hand can probably be explained by Torchwood One picking it up, then later Jack taking it from them. He knows the Doctor will return to the Rift to refuel but he doesnt know when, so he could have convinced TW1 to let him have it
Time reset when the goblin king was destroyed. Pretty straightforward
That rock was never meant to hit Sally. She kept looking around. It was meant to distract her so they could move.
But she already had her back to the Angel, so throwing the rock merely made her turn around and face it, thereby locking it in place. Would've been simpler for it to just ninja up behind her. I was going to question HOW the Doctor knew it throws the rock to make her duck. But i guess that would be included in the transcript.
@@jamesward4561Did you ever notice, that Angels can move only when not seen, but they also only can attack, after they have been seen.
But it WAS meant to hit Sally, listen to the video. 2:30 Moffat says on the commentary that the Angel threw the rock to try and incapacitate her
To be honest, its more of a 'throw the rock so it misses and she turns to see what we're dealing with in this episode' moment. Moffat was just like 'here look what I came up with' in that scene
Like a ragged baby...
"Boatswain" is pronounced "bosun". It's fine, though. Y'all may not be the fans of the Royal Navy that I am.
Fun fact: in Patrick O'Brien's Aubrey/Maturin novels, the IRISH doctor Stephen Maturin usually acts as a stand-in for the audience, having things like bosun explained to him, and thereby to the audience. Sean is in some good Irish company.
Thank you! That bothered me, too.
I came here for this as well :-)
I did too.😊
#3 That looked like a steering function, which is kind of important for mobility. If you set the steering hard in a certain direction, you get a spin.
As a Navy vet, it brought a smile hearing someone say boatswain instead of bos'n. Cheers....
1:20 "inexplicably" LOL
The only explanation I have for the killing Cybermen with love thing is the Cybermen being overpowered by emotion which is something they don’t have. Idk
True, but in the past, their reaction to being overwhelmed by emotion is that their brain short circuits, killing the human.
"It was my fault, i should have known you didnt live in Aberdeen" 5:26
'the power of love' defeating the cybermen actually makes sense bc their whole thing is that they dont have emotions, giving them emotions, as weve seen in the 2006 episode, destroys them mentally. is it corny? yes. is it wrong? no
Maybe. But how come Cyber conversion now just means bunging a cyber suit on someome over their own clothes, when it's always involved surgery, brain removal and installation or other invasive procedures before?
@@gilgameshofuruk4060 yh,, that wasn't the bit I was defending 😅
@@gilgameshofuruk4060Yeah, I thought they’d go after that. That’s a really solid complaint. The idea of his paternal instinct kicking in way more emotions than just love… fear, anger, and all the other things a dad would feel if his kid was in danger… makes a lot of sense. Strapping a chonky man, or any man, straight into the suit? Don’t think so.
So all that is required to resist cyberconversion is having a kid?
Isn't the whole point of the cyberman is they take away all that stuff?
It went too far. Overcoming conversion with strong emotions is indeed possible - we saw that a bunch of times e.g. Miss Hartigan, Danny Pink, Yvonne Hartman among others - but it doesn't flat out undo the conversion, you still become a cyberman. It just keeps you from being taken over by the hivemind. Having James Corden stay human and zap them all because baby was too fairy tale even by 11's standards.
I genuinely think the cue cards are about the Doctor having autism/adhd, and also not being entirely conscious of human politeness, just blurting out ideas without regard for the sensitivity of the topic.
I love the Sarah Jane reference at 5:26
One honourable mention would be that whole sequence of Clara inside the Dalek on Skaro. How the Dalek machine changes the words she’s says to exterminate, when we’ve other daleks in the past saying whatever they like; It makes no sense whatsoever. Oh and also that missy said they say exterminate to reload????
3:50 personally I always believed Torchwood One recovered it after seeing it fall from the skyes, probably, thanks to their scanners and satellites, and then Jack salvaged it with everything else after the fall of Torchwood One. After all, in Torchwood's episode 'Fragments', Ianto says he saw Jack's team salavge equipment from tje ruins of Torchwood One, to which Jack answered that he didn't want it to fall into the wrong hands. Or perhaps he got the hand sooner, during one of his encounters with Yvonne
That's what I figure.either Torchwood One grabbed it, or another group did (LINDA and Torchwood cannot be the only groups investigating the Doctor) and Yvonne came along and took it, with Jack taking it from their remains later.
@@medafan53 there's also UNIT
He didn't want the hand to fall into the wrong hands.
Number 11- everything about the timeless children
I always thought that the original torchwood found the hand and jack
repurposed it because they at the least had a base there with a giant laser and that definitely something they would do
It's much more likely that 'evil' Torchwood under Yvonne Hartman's lead was monitoring the situation (they did blow up the Sycorax ship after all) and sent a retrieval team for The Doctor's hand immediately from Torchwood Tower.
Just a weird linguistic FYI, "boatswain" is pronounced "boh-sun". It's even alternatively spelled "bosun" (or "bo's'n/bo'sun/bos'n). If ever you've seen a "chair" made of rope and a board being used to dangle a sailor over the side - maybe to clean the boat - or to transfer people or things between two boats, that's the "boatswain's chair".
I thought 12's cue cards made sense because Clara wanted him to be more considerate of other's feelings so she probably made the cards for him.
What I don't think made sense was the 13th to 14th Doctor's regeneration because it was never explained how the clothes changed (in universe). I appreciate RTD giving a real life explanation, but his reasoning didn't make much more sense.
My head canon is that the clothes only change when they're too small for the new body.
I feel the need to point out, in regards to number 4, that considering there's a lot of mystery around Ruby's mother, it is possible that she stopped to watch him do all that before continuing to walk on. It's not as if he looked back to check what she was doing. (This does all assume there is actually something going on there and who she is actually does matter, which may not be the case)
The Church on Ruby Road: Clearly the mom watched what The Doctor was up to, and when she saw that it turned out all right, continued to walk away.
All Jack has to do is jump back/forward in time, stand under the sycorax ship and catch the hand. Not hard
He'd lost all access to his own form of time travel by this point though surely?? My theory is he was ofc employed by Torchwood but the London branch hadn't fallen and so must've acquired the Doctor's hand via their own means, Jack either is given it in the hopes of finding the Doctor (don't forget, Torchwood were obsessed with locating him, Jack may have conveyed in someone that of a similar description without outright naming the Doctor). What seems more plausible however is that Jack may have discovered it amongst other pieces of alien tech at the Canary Warf site after its demise
@@thenealdog5343 wasn’t there a statement made that he would have had to collect it almost immediately to stop it from vanishing?
Completely unrelated to Doctor Who:
Love the shirt Sean! I have the same one! Whenever I wear it, everyone always thinks it’s for the music genre Disco… Of course we both know it’s not. I’m glad to know I’m not the only one to have that shirt 😅
series finale cleans up the slowest walk ever problome which is fun
Story Idea - Who vs Trek - Best reuse of sets and/or locations
I still see people complain about Ruby's mother walking slow... but somebody literally landed behind her and started pulling down an airship with his bare hands and impaling it on a church spire. Why wouldn't she stop to watch before confused and making sure Ruby is still safe before carrying on?
6:50 The 10th doctor and his army of friends .. human weapons 🤣
Come on!! Cards joke was funny and reference to Sarah jane was sweet
Okay, I can explain most of the mentioned things away with it being all wibbly wobbly, but why didn't the exit of the Ponds made to this list?
Like I still don't get it. If the Doctor couldn't pick them back up at this specific time because of this paradox thing going on, why weren't the Ponds able to travel up to Canada or something and he would reach them there?
Or since they weren't stuck in a different timeline/dimension he could just easily grab them a year later - this dude has a literal timemachine would've taken him like two minutes to fix this problem 🙃
and how did the Statue 🗽 of Liberty 🗽 move without Anyone in The City that Never Sleeps seeing it ? Not to mention she is copper rather than stone.
@@geoffroi-le-Hook not to mention "whose eyes?". If any living thing viewing them prevents them moving, that would include birds, mammals, amphibians, reptiles, insects, etc., and anything that "holds their image becomes one" would include anything looking at them. None of it makes any sense.
How the hell did she get zapped back in time anyway, the doctor was facing the direction where he could easily see the statue behind her but somehow it got her anyway. At no point did he say 'theres an angel behind you, move'
i mean jack has a time vortex manipulator . Getting the hand is pretty easy once you remember about time travel
If forget that the manipulator does not work
...Ouch. When even _Chibnail_ admits he bungled an episode production, you know an episode was pants.
In regards to the hand I assume that anything that falls off a massive alien spaceship would be being tracked and picked up by really any agency even if Torchwood wasn't around properly in London at that point
Torchwood's famous phrase: If it's alien it's ours.
Thank you, Thank you for mentioning the hand! This has puzzled me for years! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well, on the final, when Ruby and the Doctor were in that time window/frame, the woman stopped and cried, maybe that could explain the "slow walk".
I can make sense of the Cybermen. That was a small group that got stranded at that mall and were just trying to create more as quick as possible. All they were doing is trying to get the suit on him. It’s not like typically where the Cybermen chop up the body at the same time. It was only a partial conversion. The idea that he got some papa-bear strength at the thought of not being there for his child isn’t that out of the question. We’ve seen Cybermen overide their programming before.
What we've never seen was someone reversing cybernetic implantation with absolutely no physical sign of where the implants went through the power of any emotion one could name. Turning someone into a Cyberman isn't just psychic control from an external source, it's sticking a lot of technology inside of the person through surgery. A Cyberman isn't a suit, it's the person's surgically altered body. Which also makes several other Cyberman scenes (for instance, the cyberman's head full of tentacles in the Underhenge) nonsencial, too. The modern series did a remarkably poor job with the Cybermen from post-David Tennant's run up until the end of Peter Capaldi's where they finally remembered what the Cybermen do to people.
With the soldiers falling for the zygon thing, I felt the same at first. But thinking about it, even if you knew it was aliens taking the form of your mother or whatever else, you would still find that extremely psychologically hard. Even if the rational part of your brain was telling you it's a shapeshifter there would almost certainly be an instinct stopping you
I don’t see an issue with the cue cards. I don’t think that’s the right name for them but the point is… the Doctor can regenerate into men, women, different skin colors, etc. So why couldn’t he regenerate Autistic? Because let me tell you, at least some of us out here really resonated with the idea of needing note cards for social interaction. Social phobia and other issues would also explain it, but he doesn’t seem to be dealing with social phobia. I don’t think they were flagging him as Autistic, mind you. His situation always seemed more like recovery from a traumatic event. Eventually he becomes more confident and able to function without the note cards.
I think 12 makes more sense when you remember who his last incarnation became. He spent 900 years fighting an endless war on Trenzalore, watching everybody he knew die, then their children, then their children, for dozens of generations, for half his entire life. It makes sense that he'd be more detached from the human experience after that, as they all began to blur together to him, with their short lifespans.
6:43 Plenty humans drive the wrong way up a road or into rivers because their car's SatNav told them to. The controls Doctor-Donna messes with could be Dalek GPS or some sort of homing signal. I'd imagine those one-eyed octopus/lizard things would be reliant on electronic censors to orientate and locate themselves.
I mean if we're going to talk about the Christmas special lets talk about how an entire goblin pirate ship landed on a church with literally nobody inside noticing and the building sustaining no damage at all.
Just gonna point out for the sea devils that the doctor has mention previously that the tardis would run away if it was ever underwater, so how was it eaten??? Also they could have just de-materialised and boom, they've escaped!
I think we can imaginatively explain some of these
9-the power of love short circuiting the cyber men isn't that crazy, maybe it overloaded some emotional inhibitor that was being installed
6-maybe the government recovered the hand quickly then Torchwood took control of it (they are part of the government after all and they had a London branch at the time)
5- I'd bet Clara wrote all the cards her self and just gave them to the doctor to practice because he's always sticking is foot in his mouth (like a teacher would give her student)
3- it probably wasn't actually a button made specifically to spin, I assumed that it was some sort of overide control that took control of their movement and Donna had just reprogrammed it to spin them
If you're looking for sense in Doctor Who, you're watching the wrong programme - that's part of the charm!
Loved the Sea Devils but that episode had more plot gaps and questions than you could ever count.
jack is easily explained. Torchwood was called in and they collected it and Jack got it, or after the call in Jack was brought in as well, hell maybe he was part of the attack on the ship. either way there was time to get there, torchwood might already had a lock on it.
There's a lot in the new Who that dosn't make sense. One that isn't mentioned much is the idea that the Doctor spent part of his youth growing up in a barn, in the wilderness, outside of the main city on Gallifrey. Classic Who showed us that the Doctor knew his way round and was very familiar with the halls of power and those in charge on Gallifrey. In the Tom Baker story 'The Invasion of Time', Timelords didn't dare leave the city. The Doctor, whose upbringing was made clear to be within the families of the highest class of Timelords, would never spend his youth sleeping in a barn outside the city. That whole concept jars so much with classic Who, it makes the stories that follow with it such a disappointment. Just as I was beginning to really enjoy Peter Capaldi in the role, and they come up with that twoddle!
I always thought the rock was from the Doctor (or whoever wrote the message) to alert Sally to the Angels
Came here to say that! I thought it was The Doctor (or Martha) saving Sally from the Angel she had her back to by lobbing a rock. Which they knew to do because Sally wrote down what she'd uncovered under the wallpaper so The Doctor could write the message... wibbly wobbly...
I think Number two is the most egregious “make UNIT dumb” moment.
Spinning dalek button is easy to explain... it's dav ros's chair he was being held as prisoner by his own creation... so he created a contingency plan to escape and restart if needed... send them into infinit spin and give him time to escape...
In Doctor Who soldiers in tactical gear are the same as crewmen in Red Shirts of Star Trek.
Of course the Daleks have a spin button. It's called "turning". They turn corners when moving around, just like anything else does.
The Daleks having a spin button actually makes total sense. Think about how manuvreable those tanks must be. Consider how sluggish our real life tanks are. And Daleks can only shot in one direction. Of course they’d have a feature that allows them to spin 180 degrees in a hurry.
And also, spinning Daleks. Of course!
Asylum of the Daleks breaks Doctor Who completely. Apparently the Daleks can just capture the Doctor whenever they fancy. How is he alive?
What about that bit in An Unearthly Child when the two teachers walk into a police box and find it's bigger on the inside , and next thing you know they are in prehistoric times. That made no sense whatsoever.
Actually, I CAN explain Craig, because I'm cool like that.. You see, they were the alternate Earth Cybermen on a limited power budget, and if you'll recall, they are unable to deal with emotion, as the leader of Torchwood also rebelled. Craig was only being put in a shell, so of course if the one lady who overcame the Cyber King could do it, so could he. Simple.
Weeping Angels can throw rocks...if you're trying to incapacitate someone inside a house through a window that you are outside and may not be able to reach. It's a rare thing, but it can happen.
Jack Harkness was probably in London as soon as the alien space ship arrived, and easily grabbed the hand, which would've been fine for most of the day easily, because Timelord regeneration preserving it.
The Thirteenth Doctor, you're forgetting, has a bit of a social blindspot, and *you know* Clara would've written the cards herself as she noticed this, and insisted that he use them.
And finally, the last one I have anything to say about: The Doctor Donna installed the spin button when she re-programmed the Dalek Network because she's just that good, and that was the point.
I have long (LONG) had an issue with Time Travel movies, stories, shows, and "things that make no sense". And yet… I never seem to be too bothered by Doctor Who, which I've been watching since the late 60s. As I've explained to my friends, kids, and now grandkids (I said "LONG"), "it's Doctor Who". And I don't think it's just me.
As always thank you all so very much for the videos.
I loved time travel stories when I was a kid. Sort of still do, but there's always a "hang on, why, how, who or what" moment. The only one I ever saw that seemed to tie up all the loose ends and problems was an episode of the 1990s Outer Limits about a time traveller killing serial killers before their first crime. Although, I suspect if I saw it now, I may spot something.
@@gilgameshofuruk4060There is one Time Travel movie I recall that I think had an interesting logic that worked. It's a (Very) low-budget, straight-to-video documentary-style film based on an 'interrupted' phone call to Art Bell called "Lunopolis" (2010). I think the basic idea is interesting; however the production and acting is... low budget. (At least it was better than a student film some friends and I did in college.)
@@grahamcann1761 I'll try to find it, thanks.
Good video as always, keep it up 👍👍👍
The Daleks did not have a "spin button". Its explained in the episode how this is done, albeit quite quickly.
It's things like the slow walk that make me even more concerned that RTD doesn't really have any clue what to do anymore. His writing used to be so much better.
I got some ideas for 10 things that don't make sense in doctor who part 2. 1. Time travel. 2. aliens. 3.It's science fiction show, nothing makes sense
What is spinning? Turning in a specific direction for an amount of time to make atleast 1 full circle... So its safe to say that donna made them infinitely turn right/left
How they survive within the volcano is baffling as well
Maybe the spinning funkcion in daleks is for a calibration, for the first log in 😅😅😅
I imagine that as jack is the face of boe, and hes been around a bit, he was aware of the dr losing his hand and knew roughly where to go....as jack even, he could have got this info from rose, Jackie, Harriet or the dr... just cause it wasnt seen on screen, doesnt mean it didnt happen...
When it comes to jack finding the doctors hand, all he would really have to do is find out when it was chopped off then just use his vortex manipulator to travel to that moment and see where it landed then recover it. Time travel people
If forget that the manipulator does not work
I can excuse some of the problems with legends of the sea devils cause it was made during the pandemic and didn’t have the luxury of providing proper post production on it but that doesn’t mean it’s a totally good special either
Also why didn’t Pete Tyler get sucked into the breach near the end of doomsday when he went back to save rose?
Graham is an all powerful being, thats how
The scarriest scene in all of new who was when that Cyber-Man turned into James Cordon.
Number 1: The entire show
Wow. James Corden is so annoying that even the Cybermen were like, “No thank you.”
Doomsday
Yvonne Hartman underwent a cyber conversion in to a Cybermen & she used her emotions. Shooting Cybermen with a energy gun & said
"I did my duty, for Queen and country:
Captain Jack and the doctor's hand: The only thing I could find online in Canon or expanded universe material is that Captain Jack just found the Hand and recovered it.
Also During the Christmas Invasion The Sycorax sword also fell off.
Published on the BBC Website about a week before Series 2 of Doctor Who began was a web game -
Security Bot, also known as Help Mickey! A video game in which the player helps Mickey Smith by controlling a motorised robot to discover and destroy the Sycorax sword whilst discovering more artefacts and avoiding the security bots at the The Leamington Spa Lifeboat Museum said to be owned by the Torchwood Institute.
Nothing about the Sycorax body
though.
Great video, really enjoyed this one! Thanks Sean and Who Culture! 😊😊
Number 3 feels unfair - she’s using a computer interface to mess with their computers - rather than a bottom for 1 specific job
Jack has time travel he can probably teleport to the hand.
Surely the numbers 1 and 2 are the time travel thing and regeneration. Oh and the police box.
I missed the cliffhanger.
Wait - thats classic series.
Re: Blink. Who says an Angel? Perhaps the Doctor threw the rock at Sally so she knew it wasn't a coincidence. And before someone mentions all the Angels outside, the Doctor would know it's safe in that particular spot because he'd already done it in accordance with Sally's notes. (Thank you Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire)
I thought that the cue cards was hilarious. This regeneration of the Doctor was at times, insensitive. Clara wrote those as a reminder for him.
I think the rock in blink was cause the angel didn't want people snooping around about where this missing girl went and come to the house so it decided to just kill her with a rock so the could find a body...but thats still kinda bad ...
I'm glad it wasn't just me, it was so hard to get through the sea devils episode 😅
Having things that don't make any sense at all, here and there, is part of the charm of Doctor Who.
I can usually suspend my disbelief watching an episode the first time. I prefer to do that. But i couldn't do it with the sea monsters.
never had a problem with the hand thing. Even if it falls onto London, both UNIT and Torchwood have a base, and you know they were both watching the Doctor like a hawk
6:38 They had indicated that time had stopped or really slowed at the moment the Goblins took baby Ruby. So, unless she's a time lord, Ruby's Mom was also stopped/slowed so that she had not moved any further. Time kicked back in after the Goblin King died.
,,Rubys mom" coulve watched the doctor rescuing Ruby and after that continued walking away
Maybe either time paused while he was rescuing Ruby, or she just stopped to watch
Using the power of love makes 100% sense. What's the Cybermens biggest weakness? EMOTIONS! What's the most powerful emotion? LOVE! Come on WhoCulture, do better.
I will admit that love defeating the Cybermen was a letdown but I still love this episode because it's set in my home city of Colchester which was kinda cool for me😊
Osgood was dressed a lot like the Colin Baker incarnation.
defeating the cybermen with love? well ok, but Craig should have stayed at least half cyberman.
The cue cards make perfect sense. The 12th Doctor has 0 interpersonal skills, he's always blunt and completely oblivious to the emotions of others, which often leads to him saying things without thinking about the impact on other people. Clara was trying to fix this problem with the cue cards. Come on WhoCulture, do better.