Sonic 3 Complete & others - But does it work on Real Hardware?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มิ.ย. 2024
- It may be the ULTIMATE Sonic 3 ROM hack but how will it cope with real hardware?
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DESCRIPTION:
One of the most popular Sonic ROM Hacks, Sonic 3 Complete, finally goes against the ultimate test; to see if it functions on the system it was intended for. As I've reviewed this game before, I thought it would be fun to test some other games I've previously analysed. Those being The S Factor, Metal Sonic Rebooted and Sonic Scorched Quest.
CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Introduction
1:18 - The systems used for testing
2:04 - Sonic 3 Complete
3:50 - The S Factor: Sonia and Silver
6:13 - Metal Sonic Rebooted
9:37 - Sonic Scorched Quest
11:50 - Conclusion
12:22 - Outro
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10:46 it's actually the fifth one. iirc reason for that one to happen was very trivial - reading word from odd adress 😅
Whoops. Yeah, the 5th one, sorry. And I saw on Sonic Retro's wiki that this crash is very rare. That seems to be the case on emulators but on hardware, it's 100% chance of a crash ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What I'M gathering from this is you have a crash where the advice given can honestly be "Git Gud"
@@redhotsonic it happens on the online emulator ssega
@@Icalasari wut?
@@PaintoOfficial Was trying to joke about how that error can be left in and one can just go, "Get better at the game - It's actually a trap". I think some older games actually tried to brush off random crashes as part of the villain's "evil plot"
R.I.P Metal Sonic Rebooted.
What happened
@@Duckyy. its broken.
The Imfamous Fox your tails
@@julyborell he's my favourite character
Guess he couldn't reboot
When rhs was saying that he needs a wondermega there was few sentences for single frame here is what it said: That makes me sound really unappreciative there, dosen't it? Please don't take this the wrong way! I am extremly grateful for the donation. What my joke was referring to was the fact that my console collection to test Sonic games is not actually complete because of the absence of the WonderMega. Plus, there are a few others missing. I just wanted to make this clear.
And if you're reading this, have a good day! :)
No I haven't had a good day and it's 6:20 pm by the time I'm commenting this
You forgot the magic word for crashing
C
You’re think of Sonic Megamix. Are you?
Yerp
puhahahahaha!
That's a good one
only works in Sonic 1
Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 (standalone) jump to an endless loop of nothing (i.e. a freeze) on every exception, while Sonic & Knuckles (and as a result Sonic 3 & Knuckles) jumps to the same thing, just without the branch, which makes it reset the game instead
I figured sonic 3 complete would work perfectly. There really wasn't any alterations to the game like sprites or levels. All it is is just a perfectly bundled game with options the original sonic games don't offer you. Actually it should be made into legitimate game rather than a rom hack.
Yeah agreed it would have been cool if they added the drop dash and tails flight cancel
Also, I'm pretty sure on his review, he said it worked real hardware anyway.
@@MCsonic537 no he didn't
If I remember right, Metal Sonic Rebooted can't work on real hardware because it uses music the actual Genesis hardware can't handle, at least that's what happened when I tried it on an Everdrive.
Dang dude that's a good fact to play it on an emulator or don't play at all to not get mad.
8:38 that wheeze was perfect
nice
nice
noice
No ice
ice
2:31 Pick by game means if you play S&K or S3K, it plays the S&K themes. Pick by zone means when you’re in the Sonic 3 zones, it plays Sonic 3 themes. In the S&K zones, it plays S&K themes. Pick by character though, my guess is that it plays S&K themes when you play as Knuckles, and it plays Sonic 3 themes as the other characters.
I had to discover it by myself, but thanks to put it on words.
But what does means "theme/event control"?
@@mauriciominicuci6544 No idea.
@@tunafissh probably item box sounds, like invincebility, life up, etc
1:53 Aww, I hope you have a good day too!
We learn from our mistakes, and adapt our knowledge by digging deeper into rom hacks and testing methodologies. The Sonic 3 remakes are fantastic. 4:39 and the ending were hilarious 😂
Agreed
what
This guy is a beast. Love seeing you take on 4 games at once. Wait. This is starting to sound weird
🤨
Out of context, you mean?
8:38, so this is metal sonic rebooted reboot. It reboots.
10:42 That actually does happen in some emulators. It occurred on my first playthrough of the game on the Genesis Plus GX emulator.
that’s the wii/gamecube emulator right?
@@gaminclampshow Yep, that's the one. segaretro.org/Genesis_Plus_GX
@@gaminclampshow it's also one of the main retroarch emulators
The reason metal sonic rebooted has issues is because of the 32x songs that were converted and used. Many hack games out there that use 32x songs with the same conversion method as have this issue once you go to legit software.
I always assumed it was a bug brought on by an outdated variant of the sound driver (Clownacy's Sonic 2 Cloned V2 driver in 68k) as the early builds of gamma V's ''Sonic Legacy'' used the same outdated driver that had the same bug where it kept crashing sporadically in game. KCEXE (Lone Devil's music porter) done a poor job on this one, and innocently reporting feedback to Lone Devil on addressing bugs in his hacks is like a free punch in the face, the guy just insults you and tells you that he doesn't care.
Thank you so much redhotsonic for testing ''Metal Sonic Rebooted'' it shows that these issues were not just down to me which is what Lone Devil believed.
I'm genuinely surprised that 3 Complete can work on real hardware considering all the new stuff they added to it.
IIRC they did some real disassembly and could make changes and even fix some bugs.
This is probably my favorite little series of videos I've discovered, such a unique and fun concept to check to see if all of these romhacks actually stay faithful what the systems were capable of!
This question is so easy to answer. If its a fan game/fan remake its not compatible with real hardware or emulated hardware but if its a "rom" hack or the same game but with "patches" applied its most definitely compatible with real fake or emulated hardware
So happy I watched this video and thank you so very very much for including the downloads to the roms you tested. It feels like my old genesis has come back to life thank to you and the creators of the rom hacks. Deffinately feels alot beter playing on original hardware instead of on a emulated device.
1:52
The Wondermegas/X'Eyes are pretty expensive, the american models coming in at 260-1155 USD, or 200-885 pound sterling. An eBay seller wanted 599.98 USD or 459.98 pound sterling. An X'Eye complete in its box would be only a few bucks over, so why I am saying the American version more is because I'm from that region.
honestly i'm not suprised Metal Sonic Rebooted didn't work 100%
i'm pretty sure its too high quality for the genesis (Literally)
"IT'S NO USE!" Haha classic xD
I dunno if I ever said this before, but I feel Sonic 3 Complete could go with one final update, or at least a patch of sorts for the current build; Mainly, a larger and accurate Release/Prototype palette swap selection (for such zones as Hydrocity, Launch Base, Mushroom Valley, Flying Battery, Lava Reef, Doomsday, and I guess also the Slot Machine bonus stage?), the authentic proto tracks over ValleyBell's remixes, the ability to Drop Dash with both the Nov 3 and Mania methods, and an optional separate patch for Sonic's proto sprites (because the official online customization options did include sprite sets from Sonic 1/CD and 2… no Nick Arcade set though).
dropped a like before even watching. that shows how i know the videos gonna be good
EDIT: Have watched it and can safely say this video works on real hardware. tested it through many operating systems like windows 10, and no errors have occured. except from the ones that redhotsonic experienced in the 4 rom hacks...
Same
@@Some_Cat_ ayy i see someone is like me
Check out my commen-
@@dianaloayzat4975 OH NO there has been the rare occurance of a comment not loading. i revoke my rating to a partially, as the comments seem to have errors, though the video itself is fine.
@@QuiteTolerable Troll.
Is that the sonic 1 boss "remix" from the s factor I hear as the outro song?
Great video as always red
I was actually hoping you would test Scorched Quest at some point :D
well i did
@@aaronsandhu5074 not u he means redhotsonic
@Command64 nah he didn't
The big question of every red hot Sonic video in 2020: BUT DOES IT WORK ON REAL HARDWARE?
Perfection of sonic 3
Great video keep up the great work 👍🏽
I admit as much as I live this "Does it work on real hardware?" Series, seeing these flash back to the old rom hack reviews, it makes me miss them, hopefully you'll review another Sonic game soon, like maybe Sonic 3 A.I.R. or another rom hack, like Sonic Mega Mix, I hope you do more like those, I'd love see more reviews from you RedhotSonic
I've been debating it however my reviews except for one or two wasn't doing really well so I slowed them down. I'll probably do the odd one here and there (like I did with girl's Garden and Sonic GBA) but BDIWORH will have priority :)
@@redhotsonic Okay, I understand, good luck with more content
Sonic 3 complete is one of the best Sonic Hack aside Megamix.
As someone with a Sonic 3C rom customized to be among the lines of the prototype, I’m really happy with it and the hardware analysis.
Yes it works becouse i have cartridge of sonic 3 complete form aliexpres and it works very Good:)
I have it on real cartdrige as well and it works perfectly, even saves.
I guess there's no use in trying to turn super in Arid Temple 😎
Nice joke garrulous64
yeah
Someone had to say it
Redhotsonic, I'm going on a vacation and also,have a nice vacation!
I had a good feeling that S3 Complete would work. Now even though the Genesis Mini is emulation I put S3 Complete in there since there was no S3&K due to the obvious reasons. Now with you (redhotsonic) testing the other 3 games maybe you should share this video with the creators of those rom hacks/homebrews so maybe they can go and fix these errors and you then can try again to get them to work on the actual hardware.
It's a real shame Sonic 3 Complete was abandoned because I would love to see at least, one more update that includes the November 1993 Prototype soundtracks for their respective Zones.
Those tracks ARE in Sonic 3 Complete, though not the originals. But hey at least you have the remixes!
You can enable them in the main options menu.
@@SonicGamer-zw3wf I was talking about the Prototype versions of the track. More specificallys the arrangements that were composed originally by the dev team in SEGA, not the ones that ValleyBell got from the PC Collection and just made a MIDI conversation into a YM2612 VGM format.
@@megamix5403 Honestly, I wanted to have the original prototype tracks in Sonic 3 Complete as well. The PC collection versions aren't as good as the originals. If only it was an option in the S3C customiser.
Especially the Special/Super Sonic theme.
@@SonicGamer-zw3wf Yes, that's exactly what I mean, like I know what you're trying to say in the first. Technically speaking, the songs from the PC version/Beta are already there but I was talking about the arrangements, because they are more official sounding and fit better overall with the style of S3&K and it makes sense given, that it's from a beta build with SEGA themselves.
@@megamix5403 The only way now to put the original tracks in the game is to wait for a possible update or take the matter into our own hands and, with some ROM hacking tools, put them in ourselves. Since I'm trying to get into the Sonic hacking community, I might do it. Either way it's possible.
8:37 well, Metal Sonic rebooted, so that's fine!
The extra charater in the s factor is scorge the hedgehog
8:37
Metal sonic: Bye have a good time.
Only just got around to watching this, gotta say it's actually kinda fun seeing this, though I would personally suggest altering your rating system to maybe an x out of 5 system instead, 5 being fully working and 0 being the obvious dud games, it'd give a little more freedom of ranking and allow a better category mix, alas, just a suggestion :) Keep up the good work
I love alot of old Classic Sonic rom hacks, i play them on my PlayStation Classic (Genesis Plus GX/PicoDrive).
10:42 Its not the hardware's fault. I play it on a website and the same happened there in the same special stage.
You must be drenching wet knowing your wife splashed you with some refreshing water. XD
Yeah that part was funny as hell.
i think the reason metal sonic rebooted only worked partially is because of the brand of SD card you use? it’s a very common problem when it comes to this topic.
I highly doubt it. The X7 uses a miniSD and V3 uses a full size. Both sandisks which are extremely reliable.
X
Did you try Metal Sonic Rebooted on the real Sega Mega Drive?, not the emulator. A few months ago, I got the game, "Metal Sonic Rebooted" as the 16-bit cartridge for the Sega Mega Drive Model 2. Sometimes it works and sometimes it crashes, when you get to the next act. I've had the Sega Genesis Mega Drive Model 2 since 1993.
1:52 You're Also Missing the SEGA Genesis Model 3 & JVC X'EYE
And the Nomad!
@@redhotsonic & Let's Not Forget About the Genesis CDX/Multi-Mega
@@windowsse7enxp927 jesus he is missing quite alot
10:42 His Reaction xD
When you mention the rom hack that we begged for i thought you finally do your rom hack S2 recreation
Yeah, that's another one I've gotta do. Just waiting for a few things to happen first then I'll start production on that one.
Congrats redhotsonic
Does S Factor work on real hardware
YES *Sonia gives thumbs up at right moment*
Cybershell once said that Sonic 3 Complete would fit on an actual cartridge.
I miss him.
He is back
What music did you use for the outro?
The bugs you encountered in Sonic: Scorched Quest and The S Factor are also encountered in some emulators, including the emulator I use; GenPlusDroid, a mobile emulator made for Android phones. Thankfully, that emulator has a rewind button to undo f**k-ups like getting hit, dying, and crashes. But, do it too many times, the emulator itself will crash. Sonic 3 Complete runs flawlessly, but Metal Sonic Rebooted does have a few crashes
1:34 Me: *comments redhotsonic’s post*
Redhotsonic: You spoiled the whole thing
Also Redhotsonic: *grabs chainsaw*
Yet also Redhotsonic: COME HERE.
Hi dude
m&m Thiago Amaral Hi
@@jenniferchavira oh jeez that was fast
m&m Thiago Amaral I get notified
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I have an NTSC Genesis Model 2, and a Mega Everdrive X3. Sonic 3 Complete and Sonic Scorched Quest work with no problems for me. (I haven’t played both games fully, so I could be wrong. Also the special stage glitch in Scorched Quest is probably still in my copy) I don’t have Metal Sonic Rebooted and the S-Factor.
The error of s factor is in emulation too. I tested it on an emulator and the error occured and u were right about the fact that were not meant to be super there
Yay My Request was in :D
(I'm Jacob Betancourt)
I think it's time I dusted off my old mega drive from the attic and get me one of those everdrive cartridges. I'm definitely going to get the Sonic 3 complete and try the scorched quest too. You're clue made me convinced there was going to be some kind of Sonic X mod game. I was wrong, lol.
I do enjoy pkaying these rom hacks on an everdrive. The sega team player actually works with Sonic Classic Heroes so you can have 3 players on it.
I have never tried to punch the cardridge level select with the Sonic 3D director's cut to see if it works on an everdrive like the original game does
Curious, where do I go to find an Everdrive MD? Is that even the best MD Flash Cart I can use? If not, what is it?
1:53
“That makes me sound really unappreciative there, doesn't it? Please don't take this the wrong way! I am extremely grateful for the donation. What my joke was referring to was the fact that my console collection to test Sonic games is not actually complete because of the absence of the WonderMega. Plus, there are a few others missing. I just wanted to make this clear.
And if you're reading this , have a good day! :)”
Incredibly underrated.
What systems did you use for testing sonic 3 complete?
7:36
Now that was just comedic
Second but redhotsonic what is your favorite sonic game
It's ok
Okay but where is that remix of the Sonic 1 boss in the outro from???
Hey since you posted this I saw me on my cartridge
Hold on, aren't you the guy in the sonic 3C credits?
Yeah, as technical assistance.
@@redhotsonic That's so cool! I love that game I've played it to bits.
As a child the year 2000 i had the sega genesis carteidge add on and was able to play sonic and knuckles complete, i didnt even know what the big cartridge was for until randomly messing with the sega one day and putting sonic 3 on top of sonic and knuckles and it worked, i then put sonic 2 on top and was able to use knuckles in sonic 2, the good ole days
I bought a sonic 3 complete cartridge off of Etsy from 3 years ago and still have and love it! it!
Sonic 3 and Knuckles is one my favorite platformers along with Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest.
Awesome video yet again Redhotsonic! Congratulations on now owning a PAL Mega Drive/Mega-CD model 2/SEGA Genesis/SEGA-CD model 2/Japanese Mega Drive/Mega-CD model 2 and Genesis model 1 console. Let it be known to all us blokes out there, our wives always end up having the final say. Never upset the misses.
1. Sonic 3 Complete = perfect no hiccups or weird surprises.
2. The S Factor is just a prick of a game with awful level designs and many dick moves. I randomly got a crash once in one of the special stages and once at the score tally of Spectra Valley Act 1. The crashes in this one seem to be at random points.
3. I spoke to Lone Devil about Metal Sonic Rebooted and how it resets itself back to the sega logo screen from the title screen each and every time in PAL, I even made a video about it and I mentioned it in Redhotsonic's Metal Sonic Rebooted review, Funny thing is that this happens on emulators too and if you boot the ROM on the USA setting and then switch it to Europe the music is slow but it doesn't reset itself at the title screen, anyway after speaking to Darkon360/Lone Devil his response was this.
''Does it really crash while getting a 1up (that's just a sfx) and Chaos Emerald? I always think it's either a Sonic 2 thing or has to do with Clownacy's updated clone driver because there were no issues presented in Hyperdrive. I still don't have an Everdrive yet and the only emu besides Regen I can count on for crashes is BlastEm, I RARELY crash at the end of act 2 and there's nothing I can do that could solve it, maybe it's the S3K error handler itself after all. there's a reason I made the music fadeout for act 1s.
Also I couldn't figure why the title screen crashes and wouldn't bother because why on earth would any reasonable being play at 50hz?''
Well if that's going to be his attitude towards his own game then Lone Devil shouldn't write it off as ''being finished'' or ''complete'' which is what it says on Sonic Retro, it's still nothing more than a ''broken beta''. v1.2
4. Scorched Quest as far as I know uses the standard SMPS 68k from Sonic 1 which is why the music is slow and yeah it crashed for me in the same special stage. What happened Painto? You were so close to finishing this one and just fell short at 80% done.
Pantio retiring from making Sonic hacks. Sonic Scorched Quest full version is canceled sadly
@@classicsonicfan64 I know he retired but he only announced his retirement last year, this hack is from late 2016 so there was still 3 more years to finish the remaining 20% of this hack before his retirement in 2019. But Painto is awesome none the less and what he has given us still great.
I would of bought an Ever drive and a MK 1 console myself to play Sonic 3 Complete but it works quite well on my hacked Megadrive Mini. A Bluetooth 6 button joypad also goes quite well.
I just played Sonic Scorched Quest on my phone and thankfully the crash in Special Stage 5 doesn't happen to me. But for some reason when I reached Molten Brain Act 1 the game gave me an illegal instruction error. Good thing I had a previous save stae left over so I managed to finish the game. Then I decided to use the level select but for some reason the game gives me the same error when I try to open a level. Does anyone know why this happens?
old but for s3 complete pick by game: changes depending on picked game (sonic 3 and complete plays sonic 3 music and s&k zones play sonic & knuckles plays s&k music) pick by zone: (only applies to complete mode) sonic 3 zones play sonic 3 music and s&k zone plays s&k music
Hey redhotsonic is super sonic and hyper sonic in sonic 1 is it in game jolt?
No it's in a website called sonic retro
Have you tried to run these on Mega SG?
No, unfortunately, I do not have one of those and that'll be up to someone else to discover. But chances are, they'll all act the same as they did for all the consoles I did test it on.
What's the outro music? Can I have the link?
A remix of sonic 1 boss theme
I actually think that Sonic Scorched Quest's title theme sounds good in unoptimized 50hz!
Where is this filmed?
10:44 Sometimes that happens to me when I homing attack a buzzy bomber in Sonic 2 Retro Remix (Thank God for RetroArch's Rewinding though 😅)
What's the point in playing Standalone Sonic 3 and Standalone Sonic & Knuckles when there's Sonic 3 Complete and Blue Sphere to be played?
Set the speed on this part at 1.25x kinda awkward but sounds better! 11:20
I have an official cartridge of sonic 3 complete on my sega genisis, and yes it does work.
That is because it’s just Sonic 3 and Knuckles, but in one cartridge, plus more options to choose from.
@@Luigiman-yi4jm True.
@Command64 I got it off of etsy
@Command64 idk probably, at least it plays sonic 3 complete
What about the at games plug n play with the rca input
7:36 lmao the drummer died
I wish I can you get S factor in the graphics of Sonic 3 edition. I can see it was totally rock with Sonia & Silver and maybe some guest characters.
Metal Sonic rebooted is just giving a big middle finger to you every damn second
I mean it's not lying with being rebooted,it happens like every 7 secs
5:21 I see you have a PlayStation controller and team sonic racing review I see the options button and you have the Sonic mania plus disc for PS4 but I see you have a Xbox controller and I'm confused 🤔
You also need the Cell Shock which is Sega sponsored Russian only Genesis. It looks nothing like a Genesis but it has the cartridge port right in the same spot.
How to get to debug mode where all the levels are in Metal Sonic reboot game
Incredible
Is that PVM a 20M2MD?
Called it!
Where can you get the ROMs of these that are playable on fusion or openemu
on sites like sonic retro and the shc vault
Oh. Also the title screen music on SSQ sound better on PAL.
Just one question, were you one of the devs of Sonic 3 Complete?
Yes he was one of the devs of sonic 3 complete
As an additional data point, Sonic 3 Complete works fine using VC inject on a homebrew 3DS.
I own a pirate cart of Metal Sonic Rebooted and while the game can freeze, i have beaten it a few times. I used a model 3 Genesis for my playthroughs.
I have a Sonic 3 Complete cartridge that works on my model 2 genesis
Thank you for telling me that Sonic 3 doesn't work on first Sega Genesis because I was real sad when I figured out that it wouldn't work on my 16 bit mega drive
In my opinion sonic 3C delta is more definitive than normal 3C because it uses more things from prototype like sonic 2 sprites with new ones to match s3 sprite sheet and original music with corrections and fixed title screen