Silverhawk100 it’s. Been a very long time so nice I played 40k I still have my figures etc and I still love the lore I know that there have been updates etc so I am not 100% up to date but yeah I still check in the lore but I do recall in the old Codex that there was a human who simply stated that it is unknown why the tyranids are coming and that the question arises if they are not simply leaving their galaxy duo to a greater threat . But I find the idea of tyranids being the clean up weapon of the old ones but I would also be fine with them not being I just find the idea nice wether or not it’s canon is up to GW
Right there with you, @OneMindSyndicate been saying for years the nids are the old ones cleanup crew, reason they are making a beeline for the golden throne is to throw a specialised warp gate opening nid at it to give them a base of operations to work from.
I think it is a jab at the game Star Craft where the Old Ones created two super races by manipulating space slugs. The Zerg who were pure of body (Pretty much the Tyranids) and the Protos who were pure of mind and were powerful psykers. Eldars being space slugs is a reference to the later.
Sort of holds up to. If the "shadow in the warp" effect keeps the fear and pain of all the death the tyranids cause from bleeding into the warp. It would make them a perfect reset button.
@@DLunizNot really. Tyranids are useless against Necrons because Necrons are inorganic beings and cannot be consumed or used for Tyranid adaptation. Why would old ones create and unleash a secret weapon that is ineffective against their primary opponent. Doesn’t make sense. I think it’s much more likely Tyranids had an independent origin.
i woul love to see the Old Ones introduced as a new faction to play. Its time to introduce a new army. that being said, if a new army was introduced I'd want it to be based on the Deep Ones from Lovecraft. I'd sure as hell play as a race of cold hearted relentless monstrous fish people
As a Tyrannid player myself was at the begging a bit angry that you would mention tyrannids to be a mere weapon but as the video progress i did like the idea of the tyranids being the perfect weapon, i did chose tyrannids to begin with because of their shadow in the warp and they way of being a collective instead of an individual.
I've thought both that either the Old Ones or the Men of Iron could be responsible for the Tyranids, but I have also thought that it is much more fun with the Tyranids having a mysterious origin. It's like the Joker, authors and fans alike can craft their own theories on how, why or who he is but not knowing is ever more tantalising.
All we really really know for sure about the Tyranids is that the Hive was traveling between galaxies and was alerted to there being life in this galaxy when the Pharos beacon exploded during the Horus Heresy, so it changed direction. Everything else is hints and rumours....there's even some hints that the Tyranids are somehow related to The Silent King. I agree that it's the sort of thing that should be left mysterious. It's more interesting that way. Some things don't NEED to be fully explained, and work better when they're not.
Destiny doesn't even come close the lore of a lot of games. Warcraft, Fallout/Wasteland, DnD, Shadowrun, and plenty others that I can't really recall rn.
So I play warhammer total war 2. I’m kinda bummed out that lizardmen aren’t in this game. But I knew they were made in the old one’s image. So hearing that the tyranids were made to ready the galaxy for the old ones makes me a lot more happy. Maybe the lizardmen would live alongside the old ones in the end.
what if the tau are a long lost offshoot of the necrontyr? or perhaps a re-creation of what the necrontyr were, maybe created by the silent king himself as a way for him to atone? it would go somewhat towards explaining why they progressed so quickly, and why the ethereals suddenly appeared
@@OneMindSyndicate it's a theory video that presents its info as "40 facts" and then doesn't source anything itself. I just finished reading the latest Tyranid Codex and it doesn't mention the Old Ones anywhere, neither does the wiki.
Given the fact that each species that the Old once created were increasingly more brutal and horrifying. Starting with the exceedingly noble eldar down to the raw brut but still somehow likable okrs, apexing in the Tyrranids which can´t be getting more nightmarish and terrifying. (In older editions they were even allys of Chaos. They are as demonic as the demons of the warp). I think the Old once are getting increasingly corrupted ether by bitter experience or may be even the warp it self. Since they were the first sentient beings the realm of souls must have spawned from their minds. Who is to say that turning the realm that they spawned in to the hellhole that it is today has no backslash on them? The old once that valued all life have fallen a log way. Once they maybe have been the only hope for the Galaxy and now in the end there is probably nothing left to say other than purge the xenos for the emperor!
But you have to remember that the Tyranids also store all DNA they ever consume- meaning that once they have cleansed the galaxy of all life (and possibly destroyed the Necrons as the Norn Queens/ Hive mind either A sees them as a threat, B has been instructed by the Old ones to do so or C are actually under the control of the Old ones) this information and the planetloads of biomass the Nids themselves are made out of can be used to recreate countless worlds as paradise worlds. For a species so old as the Old ones, they are more patient than all other, even the Necron pale in comparison to these eternal creatures, so such a plan actually makes alot of sense.
You and your identity is not stored in your DNA. In the DNA is merely a plan for an organism. So if the Tyranids ate the hole Galaxy everything is lost forever. And yes ... maybe just maybe they don’t just move up to eat next Galaxy but actually recreate live. But you won’t be a part of it. Will you really be willing to get your selve and your family eaten alive handing your fate to the flood of claws and jaws in the naive hope of a recreation. Especially when no evidence ever has ben given that they will do such? Sounds like Cultist propaganda.
He's not talking about individuals but the species. I think what he means is, the current races; Humans, Eldar, Orks etc.... thier DNA is stored. once purged the Old Ones can come in and extract that DNA... and once again lay the building blocks of life on new worlds using the DNA. so extract Human DNA, find a planet, create a habitable world with the biomass, then insert the Human DNA and maybe in another couple million years time, Humanity as we know it will once again be whole. Pretty much like an extremely long reset button, which kinda fits in with the patience/eternal life of the Old Ones.
This idea helps with the question why tyranids havent evolved to use basic atoms to create more biomass. That way the 'empty' planets they leave behind still have many resources to create new life. Plus its fun for a tyranid guy like me to know that the nids are the ultimate delete button
There's no data on engineering much of the races in the empire appart from the T'au themselves, but the Kroots are an offshoot of the Krork species that evolved differently from the Orks.
have you ever heard about abiogenesis? life can emerge independently from inanimate matter without the need for a creator. no one created the Old ones, The Eldar, The Tau, and the Necrontyr . they evolved independently on different planets like we did on earth
I honestly thought he was going say the Tau were the next created species to end the chaos gods because everything he mentioned described the tau pretty well
Tyranids arent the product of the old ones, they are at an absolute loss against necrons , there isnt even a point in creating them as a weapon against the necrons , also the tyranids were called in from another galaxy by other signals, im not sure which one but tyranids are galaxy sized predators, they hunt whole galaxies at once Also the tyranid hivemind is great against psyhers ... but psychers are the greatest weapon against the soulless necrons so thats also counterpreductive There arent any texts about the old ones other then the war in heavens and their demise ...
It might still work. The Necrons can overcome almost any shortcoming with their technology. The only innate weakness they really have at this point is that there's a finite number of them, and they can't reproduce. Some Necrons are even looking for a suitable "host" race to download into to remedy this problem. The Tyranids basically cut off this option while eventually forcing the Necrons into drawn-out battle of attrition with the accumulated biomass of the entire galaxy... Seems like it could work.
Tyranids are in no way at an absolute loss VS necrons, acid based weapons are EXTREMELY effective VS the entirely metallic Necrons, not to mentions Nids have one of the single most effective psychic arsenals in the entire setting which would be tailor made to fuck up Necrons. Obviously there are no detailed texts, Old ones are MEANT to be the murky masterminds or mysteries makers of the 40K setting. However, the theory surrounding Old Ones and Nids being connected is actually a lot more credible if you do some digging. Of course this assumes any Old Ones survived which current lore seems to point they didn't, though it is left open as to whether or not they fled. On a personal note I'm very much on the fence with all this, and to a degree I "hate it" but it still has its merits. Honestly I always liked the idea that Nids were the one and only non-"native" residents of the Milky Way galaxy and thus add to their weird factor, but the Old One theory does hold water and shouldn't be completely written off.
This is however Heresy! The Tyranids are the Emperors creation gone out of control. Guilliman is currently working with the Adeptus Mechanicum to create a giant shock collar to bring these misbehaving puppies back under control, helping in the fight against chaos.
how about Ollanius Pius(we use his 6th edition version here) being Old One's reincarnation(during the very last moment of Ollanius Pius' past life as Old One, he turns Burning one into C'Tan Shard)?
Question: I'm a really clumsy person, but on the other hand I wanna try playing 40k at least once before I die. I don't have any friends who are even remotely interested, but my local store has tons of guys playing (i'm just kinda scared to come near them until i'm ready) so If I buy the dolls, learn the rules, but won't paint, will my local game store accept me or probably not? Also, if I ask a friend to paint my dolls, will it count like a flaw in me as a player? Like is there a 40k culture thing where you don't let someone else paint your dolls or smth? Thanks a bunch!
The only true thing that will make the community look at you weird is calling the pieces dolls, or showing up with completely unpainted or primed pieces. It's best to refer to them as models or miniatures. As for simply walking in and playing, most Warhammer players are always looking for new people to game with. It's honestly a very friendly community; I have yet to meet one player at my local shop who I didn't enjoy being around. There's also nothing inherently wrong with not painting your models yourself, since it can be very time-consuming and tedious for some.
Well, old Warhammer had a reptoid race called the "Slaan" as explanation for how things were. And they were characters too, at least tribes that had fallen to relative barbarism but were still powerful... I have the impression they are using that but due to the Slanesh thing worried there'd be confusion.
Carter Sanchez the only ones would be op as fuck. It took the full might if the ctan entities that eat stars, have matter manipulation, are unkillable, masters of the physical universe, can create super massive black holes for the lols and can destroy hole sectors of a galaxy singlehandedly. One of them killed so many that it created the fear of death in all races, it's the Grimm reaper. Another can control technology.
The Old Ones at the height of their power would be OP as fuck but remember their race was driven to the brink of extinction with presumeably only a small amount of them managing to flee. Even though its been 60 million years since, who's to say what happened to their race following their exodus from the Milky Way. Much of their knowledge could and wisdom could have been lost and so if they were to return they would most likely not be as the Power Houses they were before the War in Heaven. I would personally love to see the Old Ones introduced as a new playable race. I am of the opinion that games like 40K are quick to stagnate creatively without new faction options being introduced. People will disagree with me on this matter, but the fact is 30k is the closest thing we have to a living evolving game, and it makes sense that new races SHOULD be introduced as playable factions, especially when you have a universe so expansive as 40k that has established that there are numerous other races out there. Its been 16 years since the Tau were released, before that the game had pretty much the same models and armies for however long the game was going for at that point. We're at a time where a similar thing is happening and its time for another entry into the options of playable races. Yes, costs have to be considered to from the companies stand point, but really, what was the last really exciting buzz in Warhammer 40k? I wish the Sisters of Battle would get updated figures and expanded models too but seems like thats never going to happen at this point.
maybe they set out one huge wave to clean teh galaxy and sent the tau in after to unite the survivers that havent fallen to chaos so when the old ones come back the galaxy isnt a ghost town
In a way, all of this 40k lore reminds me of Halo's Lore. There's a similar advanced race called the Forerunners that had dominion over the Galaxy until they were threatened by the Flood, a biological species very similar to the Tyranids. After a long war, the Forerunners opted to create massive Rings as a superweapon to exterminate the Flood by exterminating all organic life in the galaxy (the Flood's food source). The Forerunners also used the DNA for the lifeforms that existed prior to restart life after the Flood were supposedly eradicated. Then, in the future, humanity colonized the stars, but were threatened with Civil War until they encountered the Covenant (who worshipped the Forerunners). Amidst this conflict remnants of the Flood returned. I think Warhammer, as a fictional universe, was established first, but it's not hard to see many parallels between the two.
I really want to see another race from another galaxy in this universe. It would expand the story and it could be a threat that forces races like the humans and eldar into an alliance to even hold ground against it
I'm new to the 40K universe, but I think it would be awesome to see a book series centered around a massive army going into the Warp to kill the Chaos Gods, or at least one of them. It would give a big plot or partial finale to the 40k universe, and make for a fascinating read, IMO
Apparently yes as the Chaos gods aren't infinite in what they can do, they're limited. So as they derive their energy from psychic beings in the Milky Way, it stands to reason that they don't posess infinite power, as there aren't an infinite number of beings in one galaxy. If the chaos gods were infinite beings, they could theoretically "do" anything, which they can't. So it stands to reason the chaos gods are only limited to the Milky Way galaxy.
James Palmer no, the warp in if itself is a multiverse that is a mirror if our own universe. But multiple universes in the warp, and are created and destroyed by the chaos gods. It is also stated that the warp is all over the universe, and since the chaos gods are the masters of the warp, then they should exist there. Tyranids have been said to have consumed dozens of galaxies, orks also are found in another galaxy, and they are both connected to the warp
There are multiple universes in Warhammer. So, the Chaos gods are not limited to our galaxy. You forget that before the Chaos Gods, there was just he Warp itself, stable. I am thinking that the warp expands across the universe and other multiple universe. The only thing is that the Chaos gods needs the emotions or souls to fuel their power. That is why when the Chaos Gods are up against Tyranids, their power usually dries up.
Me Alexander There is no reason to assume they are only active in our galaxy, since whenever it is explained, it always mentioned that the warp exists throughout the universe, and multiple universes exist in the warp which are created and destroyed by the will of the chaos gods
I was always led to believe that works were created by man before the time of the emperor. I'm also sure I read that the elder and necrontyr were around at the same time. Are GW changing their own history?
Your Promethus as inspiration for the Tyranids is slightly undermined by the fact that the Tyranids featured in the original Rogue Trader version of 40k from 1987! And where based on the Zoats from the even older Warhammer fantasy battles!
New drinking game: One 1/10th of a shot each time he says "the old ones" in the same tone. Full shot when he says "the old ones" with minor inflection.
Well, this really ruins Orks. It was much more hilarious to me when they were just random, angry space mushrooms who painted their vehicles red to make them go faster.
Would love to see the necrons vs precursors (not forerunners) and dont comment unless you know both lores. Forerunners were absolutely insane... easily on par with old ones. (40k fanboy here btw)
judgeculph Yeah I always saw the xenomorphs as an ancient organism that evolved into perfection, but no! They the result of a broken robot! Fucking bullshit!
in the november white dwarf there was a segment about an age of sigmar campaign. in this section, it mentioned the campaign was taking place in the ruins of an ancient, but advanced empire that had technology verging on sorcery. could this empire have been the old ones? (side note, this empire had a name, but I forget the name at a time)
I was like you once...Clinging to life, and blind to the truth. When I uncovered the truth I too Shuddered and paled with fear. Deep in the catacombs I was remade, Here my brethren slumbered for eons while the living grew like weeds. My lord knew this day would come. he had plans for us all. we would purge this world once more!
I'd say this theory is much closer to the Flood from Halo than the xenomorphs. But also if Tyranids are sent by the old ones surely they would go out of their way to target necrons, yet they usually completely avoid tomb worlds. Also I'm pretty sure the necrons would be able to trump the 'nids if it came to all out war between them so they don't seem like the ideal weapons in that regard.
Have the bones/corpses/ or technological remains of the old ones shown up anywhere? If not it's likely they packed up in their entirety and moved thru their web ways as they also haven't appeared in the ranks of chaos so they wouldn't have moved thru the warp risking anything of theirs being discovered
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Question: what are your most favorite warhammer books? what about fantasy books how do they compare? i only have 4 books now though.The purging of kadillus Dan abnett the founding,eisenhorn and ravenor the omnibus.Just found the last 3 at a garage sale and go them for free.Just started on the founding.
That french guy xenology, in an ancient eldar tablet depicting the races that fought against the necrons, for the old ones in the war in the heavens, there are thinks that look like Tyranids
This is pretty decent theory. But tyanids can’t beat the necrons.... but since tyranids don’t travel in the warp but through folding space. It would make sense. But if true than if the emperor could ever “fix” humanity and end the chaos it causes than he might end up getting the old ones attention. It would be interesting to see what comes of that.
If anything, I am waiting to see what would happen if the Old Ones appeared. Their only creations, the Eldar and Orks, would probably be the only ones that would help them. That is if there is a genetic code in the Orks that tells them to help the Old Ones. The Eldar would help them from the start. The humans would be one their enemies, as they have said, "for the emperor."
nice theory but in Pharos in the horus heresy it tells us that the Pharos burning brighter than the astronomical temporarily is what attracted the hive mind in the first place and it starts turning towards our galaxy, meaning before that it had no intention of coming here it was headed somewhere else
It is rumored that descendants of the Old Ones are living on Earth and go by the names Leonardo, Michelangelo, Raphael and Donatello.
julwin1985 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles!
haha love that rumor
julwin1985 o god no
They are the cowabunga dudes
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They're probably doing warp dust or eating space tacos
Sounds like a regular Saturday night for the sound alchemist and I.
But the theory ignores the one chilling thing about the Tyranids that is so interesting: that they're fleeing their home galaxy from something else.
Silverhawk100 it’s. Been a very long time so nice I played 40k I still have my figures etc and I still love the lore I know that there have been updates etc so I am not 100% up to date but yeah I still check in the lore but I do recall in the old Codex that there was a human who simply stated that it is unknown why the tyranids are coming and that the question arises if they are not simply leaving their galaxy duo to a greater threat . But I find the idea of tyranids being the clean up weapon of the old ones but I would also be fine with them not being I just find the idea nice wether or not it’s canon is up to GW
Another major theory is that the Tyranids consumed their home galaxy completely which is why they came to the milky way.
That’s only a fan theory, and an unlikely one.
I thought they were just looking for more stuff to eat and happened upon the milky way. Then again I'm new to 40k so
Silverhawk100 they were summoned by the pharos going boom boom. they are not running i think
Should have stated at the start that this is a theory video - there is no canon that the Old Ones created the Tyranids
Lee Jenkins no but there is no canon on the creation of Tyranids, only one hint that they were in the war in heavens
Iron Wolf exactly, no nobody knows where they came from. This video cited it as fact. It's a theory video. Should have called it that.
Lee Jenkins
Shut up nerd
2nd edition Nids were invaders from another galaxy.
The only cannon theory I have heard is that the Tyranids are an entity engineered by one of the Star Gods.
This is fascinating, I never heard this hypothesis for the generation of the Tyranids.
Fun thing is he calls them facts lol. This is pure speculation at best.
@@nicak777alex9 A damn good speculation
I just got into Warhammer 40k this year after a TH-cam search "Star wars vs ...". So thank Star wars for adding a new 40k fan.
Lol awesome, yes it's a much richer universe than the Star wars universe IMO.
James Palmer Also more mature. Not just “good v evil” but morally gray.
Star Wars is like finishing nerd high school. 40k is like getting your nerd phd 😂
The Star Wars Universe was devoured by the Tyranids a long long time ago.
Right there with you, @OneMindSyndicate been saying for years the nids are the old ones cleanup crew, reason they are making a beeline for the golden throne is to throw a specialised warp gate opening nid at it to give them a base of operations to work from.
my own theory about Old Ones:
nevermind, was used in the video.
also LOL ELDAR ARE PSYCHIC SPACE SLUGS!
Sounds like the Zembahk soul worms from Kevin Siembieda's Rifts Atlantis
I think it is a jab at the game Star Craft where the Old Ones created two super races by manipulating space slugs. The Zerg who were pure of body (Pretty much the Tyranids) and the Protos who were pure of mind and were powerful psykers. Eldars being space slugs is a reference to the later.
I heard Space Sluts
@@Doe1236 that’s dark Eldar
Who else saw that thumbnail and wanted GW to add 40k lizardmen?!
space dinosaurs....yes
Even though that would be awesome im sure a lot of people would also bitch and moan about 40k lizardmen.
OneMindSyndicate that's the fanbase for ya.
I think those are tho Dino people from jupiter ascension. Or how was it called.
yes.
I honestly really like this theory. I like the idea that the Tyranids have been sent in to wipe the slate clean.
Same
Sort of holds up to. If the "shadow in the warp" effect keeps the fear and pain of all the death the tyranids cause from bleeding into the warp. It would make them a perfect reset button.
@@DLunizNot really. Tyranids are useless against Necrons because Necrons are inorganic beings and cannot be consumed or used for Tyranid adaptation. Why would old ones create and unleash a secret weapon that is ineffective against their primary opponent. Doesn’t make sense. I think it’s much more likely Tyranids had an independent origin.
@@Jurassic_Fartto kill off all sentient life in an effort to starve out chaos and bring balance to the galaxy. Did you watch the entire video?
@@Jurassic_FartI’m pretty sure there is a fleet of tyranids that can’t consume necrons. Can’t recall their names though
i woul love to see the Old Ones introduced as a new faction to play. Its time to introduce a new army.
that being said, if a new army was introduced I'd want it to be based on the Deep Ones from Lovecraft. I'd sure as hell play as a race of cold hearted relentless monstrous fish people
I think they are more reptilian or amphibian but yea they could be fishy
That doesn't fit the Old Ones though, I think.
Go play a mindflayer in D&D
As a Tyrannid player myself was at the begging a bit angry that you would mention tyrannids to be a mere weapon but as the video progress i did like the idea of the tyranids being the perfect weapon, i did chose tyrannids to begin with because of their shadow in the warp and they way of being a collective instead of an individual.
I've thought both that either the Old Ones or the Men of Iron could be responsible for the Tyranids, but I have also thought that it is much more fun with the Tyranids having a mysterious origin. It's like the Joker, authors and fans alike can craft their own theories on how, why or who he is but not knowing is ever more tantalising.
All we really really know for sure about the Tyranids is that the Hive was traveling between galaxies and was alerted to there being life in this galaxy when the Pharos beacon exploded during the Horus Heresy, so it changed direction. Everything else is hints and rumours....there's even some hints that the Tyranids are somehow related to The Silent King.
I agree that it's the sort of thing that should be left mysterious. It's more interesting that way. Some things don't NEED to be fully explained, and work better when they're not.
My friend said that destiny has the most lore. He doesn’t know about 40k.
He isn't ready for 40K lore
That's hot
I'm sure he also thinks Cat in the Hat is high brow literature
maybe you should slap him
Destiny doesn't even come close the lore of a lot of games. Warcraft, Fallout/Wasteland, DnD, Shadowrun, and plenty others that I can't really recall rn.
You would probably offend any ork player who heard you say that wimpy "wa energy." It's no "wa". its WHAAAAGGGHH energy. Put some strength into it!
Eldar are slugs?
That explains so much...
So I play warhammer total war 2. I’m kinda bummed out that lizardmen aren’t in this game. But I knew they were made in the old one’s image. So hearing that the tyranids were made to ready the galaxy for the old ones makes me a lot more happy. Maybe the lizardmen would live alongside the old ones in the end.
The the amount of lore that you have for these! Amazing videos I go back to watch the long ones!
Probably the best thought out lore in 40k's ancient history I have seen. You should a do a video on how the Enslavers fit into the picture.
what if the tau are a long lost offshoot of the necrontyr? or perhaps a re-creation of what the necrontyr were, maybe created by the silent king himself as a way for him to atone? it would go somewhat towards explaining why they progressed so quickly, and why the ethereals suddenly appeared
Its stated in a few places that all memory of their DNA or race before was deleted. They wouldn't even know Necrontyr if they saw them.
@@chrissyclark7836 the silent king was literally built different though
Maaaaan everyone in the comments is spewing unsourced info all over the place...
its a theory video of course that will happen
@@OneMindSyndicate it's a theory video that presents its info as "40 facts" and then doesn't source anything itself. I just finished reading the latest Tyranid Codex and it doesn't mention the Old Ones anywhere, neither does the wiki.
Given the fact that each species that the Old once created were increasingly more brutal and horrifying. Starting with the exceedingly noble eldar down to the raw brut but still somehow likable okrs, apexing in the Tyrranids which can´t be getting more nightmarish and terrifying. (In older editions they were even allys of Chaos. They are as demonic as the demons of the warp). I think the Old once are getting increasingly corrupted ether by bitter experience or may be even the warp it self. Since they were the first sentient beings the realm of souls must have spawned from their minds. Who is to say that turning the realm that they spawned in to the hellhole that it is today has no backslash on them? The old once that valued all life have fallen a log way. Once they maybe have been the only hope for the Galaxy and now in the end there is probably nothing left to say other than purge the xenos for the emperor!
That's extremely grim dark and the most realistic response Ive read today. You know 40K you win
Oh wow thx so much!!
But you have to remember that the Tyranids also store all DNA they ever consume- meaning that once they have cleansed the galaxy of all life (and possibly destroyed the Necrons as the Norn Queens/ Hive mind either A sees them as a threat, B has been instructed by the Old ones to do so or C are actually under the control of the Old ones) this information and the planetloads of biomass the Nids themselves are made out of can be used to recreate countless worlds as paradise worlds. For a species so old as the Old ones, they are more patient than all other, even the Necron pale in comparison to these eternal creatures, so such a plan actually makes alot of sense.
You and your identity is not stored in your DNA. In the DNA is merely a plan for an organism. So if the Tyranids ate the hole Galaxy everything is lost forever. And yes ... maybe just maybe they don’t just move up to eat next Galaxy but actually recreate live. But you won’t be a part of it.
Will you really be willing to get your selve and your family eaten alive handing your fate to the flood of claws and jaws in the naive hope of a recreation. Especially when no evidence ever has ben given that they will do such? Sounds like Cultist propaganda.
He's not talking about individuals but the species. I think what he means is, the current races; Humans, Eldar, Orks etc.... thier DNA is stored. once purged the Old Ones can come in and extract that DNA... and once again lay the building blocks of life on new worlds using the DNA. so extract Human DNA, find a planet, create a habitable world with the biomass, then insert the Human DNA and maybe in another couple million years time, Humanity as we know it will once again be whole. Pretty much like an extremely long reset button, which kinda fits in with the patience/eternal life of the Old Ones.
What if the last Old One is actually the Emperor of Mankind!
GEoM isn't a space lizard
Christopher Smith he’s disguised like a reptilian lmao
Or the hive mind?
The emperor are a lot of chamans that comite suicide in a ritual to create him, like all them soul melt into a one baby or something like that
Paternova
This idea helps with the question why tyranids havent evolved to use basic atoms to create more biomass. That way the 'empty' planets they leave behind still have many resources to create new life.
Plus its fun for a tyranid guy like me to know that the nids are the ultimate delete button
This makes a lot of sense. Futhermore for some unexplained reason Tyranids' strong psychic powers don't attract the dark gods
The Tyranids are space locusts who are fleeing from another galaxy far, far away. They are being pursued by Johnny Rico and his Starship Troopers.
Question: who created the Necrontyr, the Tau and the allies of the Tau? I do hope you received my message
There's no data on engineering much of the races in the empire appart from the T'au themselves, but the Kroots are an offshoot of the Krork species that evolved differently from the Orks.
Matt The Necrontyr are as old as the Great Ones. They are older than the Eldar and the Eldar created the Tau.
evilution mostly.
pnp072000 I thought the Tau just advanced quickly after finding crashed space ships on their planet?
have you ever heard about abiogenesis?
life can emerge independently from inanimate matter without the need for a creator.
no one created the Old ones, The Eldar, The Tau, and the Necrontyr .
they evolved independently on different planets like we did on earth
I honestly thought he was going say the Tau were the next created species to end the chaos gods because everything he mentioned described the tau pretty well
Damn that pic is a pretty good image of what the old ones would look like
Holy crap this is ground breaking, I had no idea how amazing this faction was.
Tyranids arent the product of the old ones, they are at an absolute loss against necrons , there isnt even a point in creating them as a weapon against the necrons , also the tyranids were called in from another galaxy by other signals, im not sure which one but tyranids are galaxy sized predators, they hunt whole galaxies at once
Also the tyranid hivemind is great against psyhers ... but psychers are the greatest weapon against the soulless necrons so thats also counterpreductive
There arent any texts about the old ones other then the war in heavens and their demise ...
Küken The Tanith meet an old one in one of the gaunt novels. It's was destroying webway portals.
It might still work. The Necrons can overcome almost any shortcoming with their technology. The only innate weakness they really have at this point is that there's a finite number of them, and they can't reproduce. Some Necrons are even looking for a suitable "host" race to download into to remedy this problem. The Tyranids basically cut off this option while eventually forcing the Necrons into drawn-out battle of attrition with the accumulated biomass of the entire galaxy... Seems like it could work.
Küken
They aren't useless against them, they can still destroy necrons
Tyranids are in no way at an absolute loss VS necrons, acid based weapons are EXTREMELY effective VS the entirely metallic Necrons, not to mentions Nids have one of the single most effective psychic arsenals in the entire setting which would be tailor made to fuck up Necrons.
Obviously there are no detailed texts, Old ones are MEANT to be the murky masterminds or mysteries makers of the 40K setting.
However, the theory surrounding Old Ones and Nids being connected is actually a lot more credible if you do some digging. Of course this assumes any Old Ones survived which current lore seems to point they didn't, though it is left open as to whether or not they fled.
On a personal note I'm very much on the fence with all this, and to a degree I "hate it" but it still has its merits.
Honestly I always liked the idea that Nids were the one and only non-"native" residents of the Milky Way galaxy and thus add to their weird factor, but the Old One theory does hold water and shouldn't be completely written off.
Thankyou! I didn't think my question was going to get its own video, that's awesome guys!
This is however Heresy! The Tyranids are the Emperors creation gone out of control. Guilliman is currently working with the Adeptus Mechanicum to create a giant shock collar to bring these misbehaving puppies back under control, helping in the fight against chaos.
spacemarines riding carnifexes !!!!
You sir are a visionary! :)
Can't we just exterminatus the whole galaxy?
no because then GW will go bankrupt since this is their major profitable IP
Spaceship sized bugspray
how about Ollanius Pius(we use his 6th edition version here) being Old One's reincarnation(during the very last moment of Ollanius Pius' past life as Old One, he turns Burning one into C'Tan Shard)?
Question: I'm a really clumsy person, but on the other hand I wanna try playing 40k at least once before I die. I don't have any friends who are even remotely interested, but my local store has tons of guys playing (i'm just kinda scared to come near them until i'm ready) so If I buy the dolls, learn the rules, but won't paint, will my local game store accept me or probably not? Also, if I ask a friend to paint my dolls, will it count like a flaw in me as a player? Like is there a 40k culture thing where you don't let someone else paint your dolls or smth? Thanks a bunch!
P.s. are there pre-painted dolls i'm not aware of but can buy??
I got my pre-painted dolls on Amazon. I have a whole Blood Angels squad and a Robout Guilliman doll!
The only true thing that will make the community look at you weird is calling the pieces dolls, or showing up with completely unpainted or primed pieces. It's best to refer to them as models or miniatures. As for simply walking in and playing, most Warhammer players are always looking for new people to game with. It's honestly a very friendly community; I have yet to meet one player at my local shop who I didn't enjoy being around. There's also nothing inherently wrong with not painting your models yourself, since it can be very time-consuming and tedious for some.
Miniatures. Got it! Priming is fine with me, I'm just a shitty painter :)
Well, the more you paint, the better you get ;]
Actually, the Ancients having anything to do with Tyranids has never occurred to me... Though you are right, it fits perfectly.
We really need a cinematic tv series 🙌🏻
This is one of my favourite 40k stories, great video
The big muscly dudes from the Alien franchise are called Engineers.
Thank you, cant believe I forgot that
Well, old Warhammer had a reptoid race called the "Slaan" as explanation for how things were. And they were characters too, at least tribes that had fallen to relative barbarism but were still powerful... I have the impression they are using that but due to the Slanesh thing worried there'd be confusion.
In anyone's opinion, would the Old Ones ever become a playable race, or perhaps a subrace of them?
honestly no. I think the GW would make more money from introducing a race that is more connected to the imperium like the men of iron.
OneMindSyndicate lame I wanna play the lizardmen race
Just take the Lizardmen AoS rules and slightly modify them. BAM! you got Old Ones in 40k.
Carter Sanchez the only ones would be op as fuck. It took the full might if the ctan entities that eat stars, have matter manipulation, are unkillable, masters of the physical universe, can create super massive black holes for the lols and can destroy hole sectors of a galaxy singlehandedly. One of them killed so many that it created the fear of death in all races, it's the Grimm reaper.
Another can control technology.
The Old Ones at the height of their power would be OP as fuck
but remember their race was driven to the brink of extinction with presumeably only a small amount of them managing to flee. Even though its been 60 million years since, who's to say what happened to their race following their exodus from the Milky Way. Much of their knowledge could and wisdom could have been lost and so if they were to return they would most likely not be as the Power Houses they were before the War in Heaven.
I would personally love to see the Old Ones introduced as a new playable race. I am of the opinion that games like 40K are quick to stagnate creatively without new faction options being introduced. People will disagree with me on this matter, but the fact is 30k is the closest thing we have to a living evolving game, and it makes sense that new races SHOULD be introduced as playable factions, especially when you have a universe so expansive as 40k that has established that there are numerous other races out there. Its been 16 years since the Tau were released, before that the game had pretty much the same models and armies for however long the game was going for at that point. We're at a time where a similar thing is happening and its time for another entry into the options of playable races.
Yes, costs have to be considered to from the companies stand point, but really, what was the last really exciting buzz in Warhammer 40k?
I wish the Sisters of Battle would get updated figures and expanded models too but seems like thats never going to happen at this point.
So this is how the lizard men come into 40K
Through an old one counter attack.
maybe they set out one huge wave to clean teh galaxy and sent the tau in after to unite the survivers that havent fallen to chaos so when the old ones come back the galaxy isnt a ghost town
The lore isn't specific on how the Old Ones viewed collective societies.
At 9:00, I was already thinking Tyranids.
Jeez, the Old Ones just want to hit the galactic reset button. On all life.
Oh.....kay.....
And how many other galaxies have the ‘nids eaten?
If this is true then the Old Ones have undoubtedly been corrupted in same way.
In a way, all of this 40k lore reminds me of Halo's Lore. There's a similar advanced race called the Forerunners that had dominion over the Galaxy until they were threatened by the Flood, a biological species very similar to the Tyranids.
After a long war, the Forerunners opted to create massive Rings as a superweapon to exterminate the Flood by exterminating all organic life in the galaxy (the Flood's food source).
The Forerunners also used the DNA for the lifeforms that existed prior to restart life after the Flood were supposedly eradicated.
Then, in the future, humanity colonized the stars, but were threatened with Civil War until they encountered the Covenant (who worshipped the Forerunners). Amidst this conflict remnants of the Flood returned.
I think Warhammer, as a fictional universe, was established first, but it's not hard to see many parallels between the two.
I really want to see another race from another galaxy in this universe. It would expand the story and it could be a threat that forces races like the humans and eldar into an alliance to even hold ground against it
*Inhales deeply*
“But what if there’s an Old one in the Vaults of TRAZYN THE INFINITE!”
I like ur reasonings on how the old ones may have made the tyranids makes sense,
thank you
Ricky Guillen but its fanfiction and not fact
+AJZulu no shit, I'm a Tyranid player
I'm new to the 40K universe, but I think it would be awesome to see a book series centered around a massive army going into the Warp to kill the Chaos Gods, or at least one of them. It would give a big plot or partial finale to the 40k universe, and make for a fascinating read, IMO
I swear there used to be a 5th chaos God (Nihilism?) that hated the others
Could resurrect that one, make it the undivided patron or something
Google tells me it was Malal/Malice
Dude in the cover picture looks like a muscled up skektsy from the Dark Crystal on steroids.
i was always curious about that waagh energy. thanks.
Wait.. Were the Tyranids created by the Old Ones?
Edit: Called it.
Question: is there power armor ( or something asthetically similar?) That is normal human size? If so what should i make it out of?
The battle sisters use something similar, as do some Inquisitors
Yup you re right.
That is a great theory. I'm starting a small Tyranid army, so thanks for this. :)
No problem glad you liked
Send this to Henry C. maybe they can work this lore into the series they are creating - Titus has no fear.
But chaos is not only limited to our Galaxy right ?
Apparently yes as the Chaos gods aren't infinite in what they can do, they're limited. So as they derive their energy from psychic beings in the Milky Way, it stands to reason that they don't posess infinite power, as there aren't an infinite number of beings in one galaxy. If the chaos gods were infinite beings, they could theoretically "do" anything, which they can't. So it stands to reason the chaos gods are only limited to the Milky Way galaxy.
Imad99 There are probably other kinds of gods in other galaxies but they are too far away to be affected by our emotions and vice versa
James Palmer no, the warp in if itself is a multiverse that is a mirror if our own universe. But multiple universes in the warp, and are created and destroyed by the chaos gods.
It is also stated that the warp is all over the universe, and since the chaos gods are the masters of the warp, then they should exist there.
Tyranids have been said to have consumed dozens of galaxies, orks also are found in another galaxy, and they are both connected to the warp
There are multiple universes in Warhammer. So, the Chaos gods are not limited to our galaxy. You forget that before the Chaos Gods, there was just he Warp itself, stable. I am thinking that the warp expands across the universe and other multiple universe. The only thing is that the Chaos gods needs the emotions or souls to fuel their power. That is why when the Chaos Gods are up against Tyranids, their power usually dries up.
Me Alexander
There is no reason to assume they are only active in our galaxy, since whenever it is explained, it always mentioned that the warp exists throughout the universe, and multiple universes exist in the warp which are created and destroyed by the will of the chaos gods
I was always led to believe that works were created by man before the time of the emperor. I'm also sure I read that the elder and necrontyr were around at the same time. Are GW changing their own history?
I love this theory, signing up to it for sure
One of my top 40k theories that make sense.
Amazing theory!! Loved it!! Makes total sense of every race now! Goodjob OMS 🤘🏽
Thumbs down for presenting the video as fact and only at the end mentioning it's a theory. 40 facts my ass.
your mom is a fact
0:48
Where is this picture from?
Your Promethus as inspiration for the Tyranids is slightly undermined by the fact that the Tyranids featured in the original Rogue Trader version of 40k from 1987! And where based on the Zoats from the even older Warhammer fantasy battles!
New drinking game: One 1/10th of a shot each time he says "the old ones" in the same tone. Full shot when he says "the old ones" with minor inflection.
Well, this really ruins Orks. It was much more hilarious to me when they were just random, angry space mushrooms who painted their vehicles red to make them go faster.
That's what Orks are.
That's what they still are lmao
Can anyone link the original image used in the Thumb.
Suggestion: necrons
Would love to see the necrons vs precursors (not forerunners) and dont comment unless you know both lores. Forerunners were absolutely insane... easily on par with old ones. (40k fanboy here btw)
lets make this video as long as it should have been.
"Where are the Old Ones Now = answer DEAD.
end of video.
16 mins of filler for that answer. gg
It fits perfectly with the Warhammer (now Age of Sigmar) World, I think it's awesome
I must be the only one who prefers evolution to be the origin story for most sci-fi species. Sometimes mystery is better for the story.
ThePeacemaker848 agreed. This is why I hated Alien Covenant.
judgeculph Yeah I always saw the xenomorphs as an ancient organism that evolved into perfection, but no! They the result of a broken robot! Fucking bullshit!
Also isn't that first creature on the slide show from Jupiter Rising?
Nah, brah
>40 Facts
>Tyranid theory
Nah
I have never read the slug-eldar origin story anywhere in the background, where is it coming from?
TYRANNIDS?! SERIOUSLY!??
Nah just joking you got me
OneMindSyndicate maybe they made the femminids
well, the word Termagant means "overbearing and disagreeable woman"......
Hi! Are the old ones living in a floatilla or an armada in inter-galactic space? or have they found and colonised another galaxy?
Good job!
thank you
I like this theory. It makes sense. Which is ironic considering they once valued all life.
I had thought the "old ones" were the Slaan
Necrons:"You should of brought more"....Should have just let everyone live forever, now it is a galaxy of shit.
Do you have a video on the guy in the first image?
in the november white dwarf there was a segment about an age of sigmar campaign. in this section, it mentioned the campaign was taking place in the ruins of an ancient, but advanced empire that had technology verging on sorcery. could this empire have been the old ones?
(side note, this empire had a name, but I forget the name at a time)
I was like you once...Clinging to life, and blind to the truth.
When I uncovered the truth I too Shuddered and paled with fear.
Deep in the catacombs I was remade, Here my brethren slumbered for eons while the living grew like weeds.
My lord knew this day would come. he had plans for us all. we would purge this world once more!
They are on hiatus and will only be brought out if GW thinks it will make them a lot of money.
I'd say this theory is much closer to the Flood from Halo than the xenomorphs. But also if Tyranids are sent by the old ones surely they would go out of their way to target necrons, yet they usually completely avoid tomb worlds. Also I'm pretty sure the necrons would be able to trump the 'nids if it came to all out war between them so they don't seem like the ideal weapons in that regard.
Have the bones/corpses/ or technological remains of the old ones shown up anywhere? If not it's likely they packed up in their entirety and moved thru their web ways as they also haven't appeared in the ranks of chaos so they wouldn't have moved thru the warp risking anything of theirs being discovered
Do you think GW would ever make a 40k version of the old ones?
I think they are better of as a mystery :)
Can i get a source on that second picture.
I like the idea that the Old Ones created the Tyranids.
This sounds more like the Reapers from the Mass Effect universe, and like the reapers, the Tyranid will eventually turn on their creators.
Great theory. Fits perfectly.
Is the thumb one of those dragon soldiers from Jupiter Ascending?
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Is it in an old part of space?
What is the source that say that Tyranids came from the Old Ones?
I always wondered if the watchers had some ties to the old ones. I honestly don't know, but just a thought.
Old Ones to Necrontyr: if you want to live forever, just have us for your Math and Science teachers
The necrontyr are actually radioactive
Question: what are your most favorite warhammer books? what about fantasy books how do they compare? i only have 4 books now though.The purging of kadillus Dan abnett the founding,eisenhorn and ravenor the omnibus.Just found the last 3 at a garage sale and go them for free.Just started on the founding.
What's the source tying tyranids to the old ones?
The alien series.
Haha I see what you meant.
That french guy xenology, in an ancient eldar tablet depicting the races that fought against the necrons, for the old ones in the war in the heavens, there are thinks that look like Tyranids
This is pretty decent theory. But tyanids can’t beat the necrons.... but since tyranids don’t travel in the warp but through folding space. It would make sense.
But if true than if the emperor could ever “fix” humanity and end the chaos it causes than he might end up getting the old ones attention. It would be interesting to see what comes of that.
If anything, I am waiting to see what would happen if the Old Ones appeared. Their only creations, the Eldar and Orks, would probably be the only ones that would help them. That is if there is a genetic code in the Orks that tells them to help the Old Ones. The Eldar would help them from the start. The humans would be one their enemies, as they have said, "for the emperor."
nice theory but in Pharos in the horus heresy it tells us that the Pharos burning brighter than the astronomical temporarily is what attracted the hive mind in the first place and it starts turning towards our galaxy, meaning before that it had no intention of coming here it was headed somewhere else