@@Evanz111 that's the thing, most of those games were at least fun. even if not amazing. diofield was a nice AA game as was triangle strategy. its just that square did nothing to help them sell. which sucks because people keep asking companies to do exactly what square did, and it did not pan out for them.
What i'd be really concerned about is the future of stuff like HD-2D if anything. If this de-emphasis on quantity means less or possibly no more mid-tier titles like Octopath, Triangle Strategy and Live a Live I'll be sad. Especially because DQ III HD-2D made me really hopeful for more remakes of 16 bit Square games in that style
I wouldn't be too worried. Tomoya Asano, who is the producer of all of the HD-2D stuff, just got promoted at Square Enix very recently. If Square wasn't happy with those games I don't think they'd be promoting the person in charge of them.
@@treesnip5667 I hope so. I've enjoyed the 2-D games they've made, from original games like both Octopath games and Triangle Strategy to their 2-D remakes of older games. And with Live A Live, Mario RPG and Oger Tactics getting this treatment, plus with the Mana and SaGa series getting some love to in recent years, it gives a lot of people like me hope that Chrono Trigger and FF Tactics could possibly get that treatment as well in the future.
Capcom started this after they realized how big the PC gaming community was. This this was around 2018. I know Monster hunter world and RE2 remake were HUGE pc successes, now they are a Multiplatform company and recently they gave their employees raises while other companies were laying people off. Glad that SE is starting to realize the same thing. This is good news.
Huh... RE7 on the PC was a clusterf@k of a release... not to mention the "VR" mode is only available guess where? Sony... but they the same can be said about RE8 VR mode... I wonder where you can play that one.. oh right...still SONY... WTF?!?! They changed some things... but they aren't the "saviors" people make them to be...
@@bousch8253 SE didn't finally realize anything. They were handcuffed due to Sony's exclusive contracts. They are almost fully free of that. If I'm not mistaken FF7 part 3 is still under Sony contract.
The issue is that the vast majority of sales are on Playstation and not PC. The PC community of sales is not as big as you let on. FF16 struggled because every major game but BG3 and Zelda struggled last year due to a very intense 2nd half of releases. Rebirth struggled due to the breakout success of Helldivers 2 and Dragon's Dogma 2.
@@cr082080 I was talking about capcom games. But ok. You say the PC community of sales isn't big huh? GoS just became the 2nd biggest sony selling game because of what again? Helldivers 2 became sony's biggest selling game because of what community? Both not because of PS. FF16 if released day 1 on PS along with PC would have sold a lot more copies. Thats a fact. The PC player base dwarfs sony and microsoft combined. You can't even create PSN accounts in more than half the countries in the world. 69 to steams 190+ alone. Rebirth struggled because it was pigeon held, just like FF16 to sony. EDIT: I also own a PS5, Xbox series X and a switch if your wondering.
Oh but absolutely, this whole thing is "Shareholder not happy, not enough money", exclusivity ain't a problem unless your whole focus becomes money. FF7 R/R/R is completely financed by Sony, and they have complete freedom, but all I hear from their reports is "Money money money" why else would they create a Mobile Unit, totally not to create a dogshit Gacha game. /s
square enix has quality graphics but good graphics do make for good gameplay and the gameplay is why people do not buy from square enix. Square enix is proof great graphics do not make great games, and they continue to prove it decade after decade.
People forget FF7 Remake released during the Panda. We were all were just sitting home with stimulus checks. It was a perfect storm. It wasn't something to compare a normal year to.
@Xanatos0504 nintendo games have lost the things that made them fun. Now it's all bland open world nonsense in zelda. Metroid doesn't exist, 2 sequels to splatoon no one asked for. Frankly nintendo is not what they used to be
The lack of a Rebirth sales number announcement is pretty concerning. They were quick to announce them for FFXV, FF7 Remake and FFXVI. It's been a few months now, and no word on how Rebirth sold. That plus the Japan figures out of famitsu make it seem like maybe Rebirth is under performing in a bad way
Don't worry, in Square's Financial Highlights, they said that Rebirth had a "solid performance", and even promoted the director to an executive position, because of that. Anything else you hear, is just speculation from people with nothing better to do.
Just because it didn't meet expectations it doesn't mean it or 16 aren't in the green at this point. 16 we know for a fact sold 3m+ copies so far and it has an 18 month strategy for goals not sell everything within the first few months. Both games are also still exclusives.
They didn't know the ending. But some who've heard of the ending would've not bought rebirth. IF they are fans or they've played the OG, or theyre skeptics.
FF7 Remake had the ps4/5 platform to help it with sales. Rebirth has everything such as the bad economy, PS5 exclusive (which a good portion of folks are still on the PS4), etc. that is going against it. From what I've heard though, it did well but obviously could've have done better for the accolades it received.
FF is not the problem. Babylons Fall, Forspoken, Avengers and many random titles are. It‘s stupid to only look at exclusivity. There is way more broken than that.
@@pablocasas5906because it was a ps5 exclusive of course it won’t meet their expectations not everybody has a ps5 these days because the hype died down and people lost interest in the console those people are pc players now they don’t have to worry about console censorship they can have better graphics and frames pc offers much more than these companies consoles
for YEARS people kept asking companies to stop focusing on AAA games and start selling AA games, that's literaly what square did with ALOT of projects they made. and they werent half bad either. many of them were at least good. some were even great. but the problem is, they didnt market it to anybody, almost shadow dropping after anouncing them on their event as if they expected that the brand name alone would sell them.
it is more the kid get a+ and was one best student but currently he fall behind 3 or 4 other student and he only get b square enix currently fall behind capcom, namco bandai, sega, probabaly same level than koei tecmo final fantasy is not anymore the jrpg
That is the entire industry dude. They always want an increase in profit. If your numbers remain consistent, even if those numbers are high, you’re in trouble. Reviews are largely irrelevant
Square should stop with exclusivity deals Edit: To clarify, I'm referring to the EPIC games store exclusivity deal on PC. Because that is a near-death sentence for PC, even Alan Wake 2 hasn't recouped its costs til now
See I get that, but honestly no one on Xbox buys FF games. If anything put it day and date on PC. When it comes to the Switch they wouldn’t even be able to get half of their games to run on it.
Timed exclusivity with a certain platform is because they believe their game will succeed the best there. Usually, when that’s the case, they then get to porting to everywhere else. One of the problems with Square is that they set their sales targets way too high, especially when the game is on one platform, and not one a lot of people have.
I don’t see this applying to Part 3. Sony bought and paid for the entire trilogy in advance. I think Part 3 may be an exception to the multi platform plan they are trying to implement but we’ll see. Depends on if they can renegotiate the contract they signed with Sony for the VII Remake trilogy being PS exclusive.
Square enix decided to take a 140 million dollars loss to stop developing games nobody wanted to play, I do not doubt they would accept to pay some more to break their contract with Sony since exclusivity is not profitable.
And regardless, it appears they got the window down to 3 months for Rebirth, which isn't all that bad if they can get other versions to market that quickly. Especially given the fact that the industry as a whole will likely be slowing down. Maybe peoples' attention spans won't shift quite so quickly either.
If they make 3 a Sony exclusive they’re screwed Sonys exclusivity deal has been cutting them off from other sources of money by not releasing for multiplat
Well, Forspoken was weird, FFXVI sold more than 3 million units and wasn't enough, FF7 Rebirth sold more than 2,5 million units not enough again. Maybe they are spending more than they should in some games and betting too much on other games that are indeed successful but not world Record breaking day one sales, which seems to be their expctations.
A point I’ve seen about FF7 Remake Trilogy is that some older gamers aren’t exactly a fan of the multiverse aspect of it. And then some new players are fine and enjoy the multiverse aspect. I feel like aside from console exclusivity, Square should’ve marketed it clearer from the get go. Tell players not to expect a one-to-one remake. It might be obvious but some players weren’t aware and disliked that multiverse plot. Moreover, the censorship and patching is something I’ve also seen discussed as a hard point against the game. Either way, Square needs to make sure the Trilogy ends up on PC and ends with a complete banger ending. Along with having KH4 ready, improved fixes from KH3, and a strong selection of Disney films/worlds to use.
The final fantasy franchise is the least of Square Enix's problems. Did they hit the obscenely high sales targets Square had set? No, but they were still Square's best successes, and are the reason why the company isn't fully under right now. FF7R not being exactly what every single fan wants is not the issue. The issue is that Square is dumping money into the wrong projects and wrong markets outside of FF. Multi-platform will absolutely help, but they need to allocate their funding better. Repeated mobile games that crash and burn, investing tons of time and money into IPs no one knows or cares about, years of games trapped in development hell that can't easily recoup costs (if you think FF is costing them, I can't imagine how KH is faring)
@@SableWind I think the release in multi platforms can help a lot at launch, Sony itself reveled that Helldivers 2 sold 12 million units in the first 3 months, so steam and console could easily help ff7rebirth something around 6 million in the same time frame, I believe. But I completely agree they're spending too much on not so sure bets, a Gaas for example, will hardly hit milestones since most people tend to stick to their favourite gaas and won't play other game to buid up a strong account all over again.
Keep in mind that Final Fantasy XVI was released more than a year ago, the problem isn't that selling 3 million copies in its first months wasn't bad, the problem is that it's not selling more copies as of the date hereof
I even bought the switch version just for fucks and overall I don’t care about getting a better version that’s how good it is, I had the option of ps4 or my gaming laptop/steam deck.
That makes me wonder if developers and publishers will go all out when the Switch's successor gets released. I can imagine there's some developers who wished to release some games on Nintendo, but the current Switch can't handle them
@@pablocasas5906 going all out is releasing the full pc version…similar to gaming on Steam deck or pc…even though your hardware might be weaker now when the next system or your update comes, you can just turn up the graphics and resolution….now if your speaking its own custom ports then yeah it’s going to happen again.
@pablocasas5906 likely if they can get a fraction of swotch 2s sold near the pace of switch 1 it and be reasonably powerful enough to muster to effort cost to make a port they might.
@@chillnspace777 it depends on game as well just because switch sells millions does not meat certain third party developers will benefit from it…sniper elite 4( fantastic switch port btw) I even purchased day 1 for switch…it was out for years on the other systems $80 special edition and only 3-4 players online…the pvp was a drag.
SE's sales expectations have been silly now for at least 3 console generations. I still vividly remember when they announced back then that the first game of their Lara Croft reboot sold for about 3.6 million units at launch (which is bonkers) - followed by them also saying they lost money on the game and expected almost twice the amount of sales. And this dance has been repeating multiple times now, to the point I'm shocked SE hasn't just been bought out if they are underperforming as much as they claim.
This. I can't remember the last time SE didn't say that a game failed to reach expectations. They seem to be delusional when it comes to their predictions.
@@wood1066 Nope, they said it didn't "meet expectations" either. It was on track to originally, but its sales cooled off too quickly and ultimately didn't.
@@BAMFshee When was that? Because during a sales call back towards the end of January they said it did. Not once this year or last year have I every seen them say otherwise.
@@wood1066 They literally said it in the earnings call that this video is about. "Sales of FF16 did not meet expectations. Initial momentum was in line with expectations, but the games failed to meet the fiscal year target due to slowing momentum. No update from last reported sales figure of 3 million."
I don't think FF7 Part 3 is in trouble because its development started, and it had to start in some fashion well in advance of Rebirth. Final Fantasy 17 and the future of Kingdom Hearts are multiple other cans of worms.
@LebowskiDee That's hardly a relief. Disney is very likely to screw over a project at any point. If they decide that KH III (which had a long tumultuous, and likely costly development) didn't sell enough because it wasn't purchased by the entire population of the world, it's done for.
I know Max doesn't want to hear this and to his credit it's proooobably too early to DEFINITIVELY say this but when we're hearing repeatedly that FF7R is failing to meet internal expectations and they're not releasing the sales figures it's not the golden goose. That would be FF14. It's been an open secret that Yoshi P's baby has been keeping the light's on in Square Towers for a while now.
Well thats normal right? It's an MMO. WoW did the exact same thing for Blizzard back in the day. It allowed them to expand into Starcraft 2, Diablo 3 and Overwatch. Games that wouldn't have all been greenlit if WoW wasn't their security blanket. I see much the same here with unlikely games becoming reality like FF7R, FF16 and KH4 to name a few. We might also get FF9R. This reminds me so much of Blizzard back in the day. So absolutely thank god for BU3 and FF14 keeping these projects safe. Its super important.
Yes and no, I love FFXIV great story great game, I play it as an RPG, not a MMO, and you are right the income every month is a certainty and money hungry CEO love that, BUT FFVII will always be the golden goose, If you are talking about money from sales, they are less o more from the sells of buying Endwalker or dawntrail? (not the monthly subs), How much more people play FFVII R and Rebirth than FFXIV? who is more recognizable Tifa or Yshtola? And there is a reason SE release the Remake or not? and why if they are already earning moeny with XIV? FFVII is the golden goose, and the risk is ruin it and losing it forever
Square just said in their latest financial report, that Rebirth was one of their financial highlights, and even promoted Hamaguchi because of that. Meanwhile, they said that the MMO division(supervised by Yoshida), is not doing well. So you can stop kissing Yoshida's ass now.
@@Ukaran What are you even talking about? The financial report highlighted an 11% revenue loss in MMO revenue and for close to half the fiscal year its been the dry period for 14. The MMO is about to release its new expansion and enter its healthy period. AKA giant profit increase for this fiscal year. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Square if you want money just put the Kingdom Heart's games on the Switch. But like, actually put the games on the Switch. Not fucking Cloud versions of it.
I think the issue why all mainline Kingdom Hearts games were released as Cloud versions on the Switch were probably due to some sort of mandate from the higher-ups at S-E or Disney, I can imagine some executive demanding that all KH games were available on Nintendo to coincide with Sora's inclusion in Smash Ultimate, but that included Kingdom Hearts III, since the game was still kind of new, but the porting KH III to the Switch would've been impossible and they weren't able to just port I, II and 3D natively while III was only a Cloud game, so they reached a compromise in that all the KH games on Nintendo would be Cloud based I just hope that S-E and Disney port all of the mainline KH games natively on the Switch's successor
@@pablocasas5906 That would be such a dumb decision to make. They know perfectly well no one was going to buy cloud versions of the game, especially on the Switch. It doesn't even have a LAN port. Unless you buy an OLED Switch. Making them Cloud versions was just a waste of money, not to mention the price that they put on them. Let's hope we get all of them on Switch 2, maybe they can even throw FF7 Remake in there. 🙏🏽
Honestly, we still don’t know much about Kingdom Hearts 4. Plus, what Max said about the game not being released soon. I’m not sure about that. The game is owned by Disney but developed by Square. So, I don’t think it would fall under Square’s umbrella exactly. If we don’t get a trailer for KH4 at Summer Games Fest, then yeah… we aren’t seeing KH4 till 2026 or later
@@Tkj1990 You’d be surprised. The hype for KH3 and the *somewhat* failure it had caused a number of people to falter on the series. Granted, that could be only KH3’s reaction. But with KH4 being a new leaf into a whole new story arc it could drive new players in. Especially if a Star Wars Episode 6 world is utilized. Using Luke, Han, and Leia along with Darth Vader respectively and in an exciting fashion would draw new players into the game.
@@antisocial372 Work on KH4 is honestly based on speculation alone. But with the game having been… “worked on” since (2020) Re:Mind and even before then, the game has to have a good amount of work done on it. Plus, the footage shown of KH4 was on UE4 but Nomura mentioned that it would be fully developed on UE5. Not to mention, Nomura did mention at a Conference about the future of the series being affected but didn’t go into detail. I’m betting this has to do with Disney and their relationship with Epic. Possibly connecting UE5 development with KH4.
@@TigraSpartan yeah that reply had me scratching my head. Only Octopath was Nintendo exclusive for a bit, the sequel was multiplatform from the get-go. Star Ocean is multiplat. FFVIIR, XVI and Valkyrie were all PS exclusives
"The larger games, are relatively unaffected." Idk, when have very few rain makers trying to float multiple projects at once, you start to see the cracks.
Problem is that a lot of "Gamers" are on TH-cam. TH-cam "content creators" chase clicks. What gets clicks? Savaging games. Nobody talked about Diofield etc because they were GOOD. Nobody will click on it. "Forspoken" got slaughtered online. Click.
That's because A) they made a marketting slam dunk pairing the game with the right audience, and B) people who own a Switch more often than not, are big gamers in general, spend most of their Switch time gaming, and want to buy new games. The same isn't always guaranteed for the other consoles. Listen to what Max is saying about attach rates. Also Octopath was an incredibly charming and fresh game.
@@clydu91 it’s wild to call them a Flop lol. Both have been successful critically and commercially just didn’t hit internal goals. Especially Rebirth. They way you people act you’d thing square is millions in debt when they’re still pretty profitable
With all the recent Western game industry drama of lay offs and Sony PSN controversies, it's abundantly clear to me that the strategies used by Western corporations are terrible for game development, so much that it has even affected originally Japanese corps like Sony and SquareEnix. Every other Japanese game studio has been doing exceptionally well, not only having no layoffs, but even increased employee pay across the board. Capcom, Bamco and even Nintendo has all raised their overall pay, while Western studios are just doing layoffs after layoffs. SquareEnix has now cut ties with all Western studios, hopefully they can stop spreading their resources too thin and pick it up, and cut ties with Sony, they're just a liability.
It all comes back to how the law is setup for corporate shit, where Japan at least actually kept a lid on a lot of the more egregious things executives could do, whereas America just openly embraced corporations fucking people over
A side factoid about the japanese pay raises. They are separate from legal-mandated raises and likely a reaction to aggressive poaching from outside asian companies like NetEase and Mihoyo that established japanese-based studios.
Western studios and companies are just dicking around at this point. Not even serious. I see every good Japanese studio finding their way. Even SE. I have no hope for western studios.
Moving Sony HQ to california was a mistake since day 1, its not run by smart business people or artists only activists that hate entertainment, IF Sony HQ would go back to japan the industry will start healing again.
@@slifer875 I actually fully agree with this. If they can take the knowhow back to Japan and cut with the political bullshit that California seems to only be doing these days it will be better for everyone. Except for the no life activists but fuck them.
I'm glad they've figured it out. A lot of us have PCs, and they aren't cheap. We don't want to buy a PS5, especially when the PS5 doesn't offer anything over what a PC can. If they consider moving a lot of their older exclusive titles to a PC format, I'll personally be ecstatic, and sure others will too.
I’m still surprised that Rebirth wasn’t a MASSIVE success. I thought it would’ve been like what happened with The Dark Knight where the first installment was great and well received but the second would have word of mouth carry this game all year.
Sony was probably betting it would have been a system seller given Remake sold impressively - but even though it was just 4 years ago, it was a drastically different time. In their minds, they may have been thinking people bought the game because it was a Final Fantasy, just like how 15 sold. But 15 was multiplatform and a fresh game. All in all, PC is winning the console war.
It did well enough. The people who wanted it, bought it. That's what the numbers show. It also shows it didn't appeal to people outside of the fan base or genre, which makes sense. The game (FF7/ FF in general) is niche.
It was a bit of bait and switch. It was heavily marketed as a retelling of the original story, which it isn't. I didn't buy the game precisely for that (and because they outright lied about it having a turn based mode). Also, the fact they decided to make it a three-parter doesn't help. Historically, episodic games never did that well. A lot of people don't want to play a game only for then having to wait years to go on with the story. Add to it that I didn't buy a PS5. I was turned off by the fact they implemented censorship so heaviliy on it. I stuck to Switch + PC, this gen. I'm not a fan of them catering to politically correct activism.
The thing is that Final Fantasy VII Rebirth has a lot of thing going against it: - The fact that is a direct sequel, which requires players to ay least know what the previous game was about before jumping to the sequel, so it has a huge barrier of entry for new players; - That there's plenty of people that didn't feel like upgrade to a PS5; - There's some folk who didn't like the changes made to the story in Remake; - FFVII Remake came during the pandemic, and that actually benefited its sales in some aspects; - There's plenty of people, especially young ones, who don't actually care about Final Fantasy VII, or FF in general.
Yeah, but I guess by that time the PS5 will have sold at least over 100 million units and perhaps Remake Intergrade and Rebirth will have increased their sales a bit, maybe giving the third part a little boost to their sales, but who knows, I feel we are 3 or more years away from the release of Part 3 and many things can happen in the meantime
@@Northymark2 with final fantasy 16 out of the way hopefully there will be a bit more content this time round, I felt end Walker was driving through the heel when it came to content.
@77wolfblade FFXVI had no impact on FFXIV. EW had tons of content, plus significant system changes, but the reward and grind structure had a lot of criticism
The one thing that I pray happens for FF7 is LEEESSSS of these random ass mini-games that literally piss people off to quit playing. I almost stopped playing mainly due to Fort Condor.
I think this is a net positive for FF7, and square in general. They are really going to be in a better place after this shift, and it's actually coming at an ideal time for FF7. Max touched on it at the end when speaking to the "thrilogy." There are many things to keep in mind here. One being that a huge number of fans from day one, have continued to speak about waiting for all 3 parts before playing. Two, a huge number of players insist on waiting (or have to wait) to play these games until it's ported to PC, due to the graphical quality available, the desire to play at maximum quality, and the fact that a huge portion of potential players don't have a PS5 (but likely have a PC), there is pretty strong evidence that the FF7 fanbase has outgrown the one-comparable Playstation player-base. Three, with scope AND reception increasing title-over-title with the first two, expectations of quality for the 3rd are going to be higher, as well as demand. I think all of these things could culminate into MASSIVE sales upon initial release of the full FF7 series, especially if it's available non-exclusively on day-1 for part 3. We could very likely be seeing another Cyberpunk 2077 type situation, where they are going to see sudden astronomical success once everything falls into place.
I'm pretty sure that game is still in development, Enix wouldn't shelved the remake of one of their most popular titles from its history, and I don't think it has to do with the passing of Akira Toriyama, and Koichi Sugiyama for that matter.
@@pablocasas5906 honestly dragon quest as a whole has been largely ignored despite the good reception of 11 with poor marketing to the west that Sqaure are very guilty in doing, the entire series of FF is quite easy to get nowadays where is dragon quest isn't for some reason and just simple ports of mainly the mobile versions which dor the most part in terms of content would be satisfactory but strangely have not really thought of that for some bizarre reason. they announced a new project for yoko taro to do which it's kind of surprising they haven't really used him as much despite automata, he did get some stuff later like replicant remaster but the rest are side lesser projects which are mostly fine and taro is still putting effort it's just strange they haven't given him another big game to work with
@@nightwish1453 yeah, there's seem to be some issues regarding the Dragon Quest series since there were some changes in the managenent of the series. I'd say Enix lost a huge opportunity in regards to growing the franchise, especially with the popularity of the Switch in Japan and elsewhere. Back in the GBA , DS and 3DS eras there tons of high-quality spin-offs and remakes from old games and the DS and 3DS saw the release of two mainline titles (IX and XI). While there were some interesting spin-offs released in the last few years like DQ Builders II & II and Monsters 3, it's kind of worrying the fact that the DQ III remake is taking so long, or that there hasn't been an Itadaki/Fortune Street game for the Switch, especailly with the popularity of Mario Party and Momotaru Dentetsu
"this is one of the most expensive projects in the history of gaming" "let's make it an exclusive, that'll help us with the fiscal report" -some guy at square, apparently.
Square Enix owners will never be satisfied with the sales numbers. I can assure you even with the PlayStation exclusive deal the sales number is quite high (IMO around 5-8 million copies) but greed has no bounds. If They are so desperate for sales then They should release their flagship titles like FF16 and FF7 Rebirth to other platforms such as Windows, Xbox and even Nintendo as soon as They can deliver. They publish very popular franchises so sales aren't an issue.
1 - splitting the game in three parts was always going to be risky 2 - PS5 exclusive 3 - some story decisions at the end of Part 1 made some fans lose interest I dont think Part 3 will be cancelled or anything like that, but expect the budget to be A LOT lower, and the story to play a lot safer and closer to the OG...is not only that Rebirth lost money, it is also that Square Enix put ALL their hopes in this game after all the money they have been bleeding for the past few years (including FFXVI), I dont think Rebirth is "in trouble", the whole company is "in trouble" unless they start making things differently.
Money has been tight for many people these last few years. PS5's are still floating around $500. Games are releasing at $60-70 for the base version and well over $100 for the super-ultra platinum edition with ingame glamour gear. Many people cannot afford to buy more than a couple games a year these days. I was lucky I could afford to buy a PS5 just to play Rebirth and a few other games like FF16, GoW Ragnorak, and Horizon Forbidden West plus DLC expansions for 2 of those games. My controller went bad less than a year after I got it and I had to buy another $80 controller. That's nearly $1000 in video game stuff in only a year.
Qman even myself I still to this day can't get a PS5 so I still have the four like to say not everybody can get a console and most of the games that you see on the 5 is the same thing like you see on the PS4 so it's no different of what you're seeing.
I doubt that's the issue. 1000$ in a year for ANY hobby is rather normal. They had a big boom during COVID, that was a bubble. Now people are returning to their normal routine. Also, stuff like catering to activism and politically correctness doesn't help. Lack of competition between the companies doesn't help (competition was WAY harsher 1-2 console gens ago). And I think they generally alienated part of their audience with some unpopular design choices.
I just hope that this decision doesn’t mess up the development for ff7 part 3 and kh4. I am all for multi-platform but my god, please take their time on the development cuz I want the game to be how they wanted it.
While I want Square-Enix to take their time, I hope that the third part for the Final Fantasy VII project will arrive at least on 2027, just to coincide with the OG game's 30th anniversary
Gamepass and PSPlus have conditioned everyone not to buy games...the industry is killing itself. These subscription services kind of have to be toned down or stop, if we want our games to have a future.
I think it's important to point out, that in Square-Enix's latest "Financial Highlights", they said that games like FF16 and FF7 Rebirth had "solid performances". And it's also important to remember, that Hamaguchi(Rebirth's director), was promoted to an executive position within the company, one month after the game was released. So Square-Enix is happy with Rebirth. The problem is everything else.
I felt tricked with remake. Never giving them a cent again. They marketed it as a actual remake since the ps3 tech demo and it was a sequel with time travel and kingdom hearts logic. Gas lit me for decades. I'm done with SE. Investors are right to jump ship. SE is burning money.
It's not really that confusing. In remake the whispers and the arbiter of fate were the will of the planet. The planet wanted things to remain the same because it survived but humanity was wiped out ( Refering to og ending with red with his family with no humanity in sight 500 years in the future). When the team defeated the arbiter of fate it allowed sephiroth and aerith to have more control of the whispers ( black whispers = lifestream black and white whispers = lifestream white. ) . Aerith saved zack through her will ( whispers) Sephiroth traveled to the past through the lifestream ( the lifestream contains memories, knowledge and emotions of those past away past , present and future ) and aerith sent her memories to her past self through the lifestream. At the end of remake sephiroth opened a portal to the spiritual form of the lifestream where the arbiter of fate was. we have seen the spiritual form of the lifestream in advent children ( cloud talking to aerith) , crisis core ( zack standing over a pool of water) and rebirth ( where sephiroth was explaining the multitude of worlds that are within the planet to cloud , where aerith was guiding zack with the follow the yellow flowers and where aerith, cloud and zack vs sephiroth )
It seems Max and a lot of people are misunderstanding about SE financial report and quickly pointed the finger at Sony + exclusivity, when SE biggest problem here is not Sony or "platform exclusivity" but their *messy management that produced low / mediocre quality games and unnecessary projects* . Like example SE spent a lot of money for NFT projects and all of them doesn't lead to anything except a big hole in their financial. Or tons of garbage mobile games that only got closed down in less than a year. Not to mention, SE sold mid AA games like The DioField Chronicle, Saga Emerald Beyond, or Star Ocean 6 at $50-60 which all of them are multiplats and failed to sold well. Even if FF XVI or Rebirth sold 100 million copies in less than 3 months, the money will not enough to cover all bad decisions or flops. edit: Forgot to add, SE has great multiplat AA games like Octopath Traveler 2 or Neo TWEWY. But both games also doesn't sold that much with Octopath 2 only sold like a million copies (not sure if SE consider that as a success) and Neo TWEWY 'has underperformed our initial expectations' said ex SE President. Another problems with SE are their unrealistic target sales and no marketing for their AA games that has positive receptions.
Thing is, the Square Enix blunderbus strategy might not have been good for their bottom line, but it was great for those of us who love experimental Square that just does a bunch or weird and different games rather than just doing FF and DQ games. These last 3-4 years has been like late 90’s Squaresoft in terms of output, and it’s been great. I know a lot of people are going “wHo hAvE eVeN hEArD oF tHeSe gAmEs, bRo?”, but thing is, the same thing happened when Squaresoft was pumping out games in the late 90’s, and now a lot of those games are considered classics and hidden gems. People may not appreciate it now, but in a decade or so this era will be looked back upon as another golden era for Square, and I wish more would appreciate while we had it (and actually bought the games) rather than lament that we lost it years after the fact. We’re about to enter another mid to late 2000’s era of Square, and it’s not gonna be fun. Hope you like FF & DQ remakes and mobile games, because that’s all we’re about to be getting.
Yeah, but those games back then were actually impressive and didn't demand much in terms of visual quality so all the effort could just be focused on great gameplay while having a great presentation. Games like Chrono Cross was like GOTY for 2000 and it didn't have the production quality of its predecessor. Games like Valkyrie Elysium deserved much better. The Valkyrie series was their hidden gem before it was even a Square game, so in one hand there's these development costs, and in the other hand there's a legacy to be maintained. Today's experimental games just get the short end of the stick.
@@LostChildOfTime Their experimental games of the late 90’s got small budgets and devs times as well. None of them got even remotely close to the same budget as FF 7-10. Brave Fensher Musashi, Einhänder, Racing Lagoon, Erhgeiz, Valkyrie Profile, Bushido Blade, etc did not get even a 100th of the budget of a contemporary FF game, same as their modern equivalents like Triangle Strategy, Voice of Cards, Various Daylife, Harvestella, etc. Visual quality is a subjective metric. And back in the 90’s, none of the games I mentioned was considered as good looking as the FF games, which were considered the graphical peak of the medium at the time (FF8, 9 and 10 especially). Same as the modern small budget games of Square vs their modern FF games. And personally, I think their modern low budget games look good for the most part, even though I’m not a fan of all their art styles (not a big HD-2D fan, and Diofield is kinda ugly). Plus people tend to care less about the graphical difference between big and small budget games nowadays than we did in the 90’s, when graphics were still rapidly improving. Would I want their experimental games today to get bigger budgets, sure. Or at the very least bolder art direction choices that stand even with smaller budgets. But I’d rather they get low budgets and still get to exist than be axed all together.
despite what you say I find DQ somewhat ignored by them like despite all the effort for the ds remakes which later most of them got ported to mobile they haven't thought of re-porting it elsewhere along with not even giving much of a push on the newer games because they poorly market DQ in the west and infamously so, same things can be said to the new jrpgs like bravely or octopath. like it just felt like square just focused on FF and a bunch of very mainstream IPs and that's it so to me it came across as less experimental then it did prior heck i found more appeal in the games that had less attention to the ones they wanted to me to focus on. after their statement they have grabbed yoko taro back for big project to work on so honestly feel like they are focusing on their niche more and being more experimental then they have as of late
I love this news. Game companies need to stop treating their audiences like sheep to fleece and start making quality products. Sony needs to release a proper PlayStation with some backwards compatibility. Game companies need to stop worrying about making every blade of grass look hyper-realistic and offering freakin PAYMENT PLANS and start making things worth playing. Games survive by how fun they are to play, and even better, how fun they are to play together. This is what truly drives sales, not how pretty it looks. The graphics and depressing "mature" storyline fad was a bubble hoping to capture people that don't care about games and those people have no staying power, especially when game companies jump on the trend, flood the market and push away this demographic, which rarely finishes a game to begin with.
Ffvii has a huge fan base but yes as they age, ENIX can’t keep milking it forever. The new trilogy (remake & rebirth so far) will definitely not bring in many new fans. The main selling point of the original game is in its storytelling, which the new version lacks.
It'd be nice, but I'm not sure if S-E would make some sort of spin-off title with turn-based combat to appeal to old-school fans, the latest time they did it was with 4 Heroes of Light and since then it seems S-E prefers to make games that are Final Fantasy in name only, like Bravely Default and Octopath Traveller. I think they have a fear of diluting the FF brand by releasing a major spin-off on Nintendo consoles, it's the opposite of what Capcom did with Monster Hunter Rise
I'm a 68 y.o. gamer that has been a geek, gamer since the early 80's. I used to buy platforms just to follow FF series. That was until 7. The first thing that soured me was when the game started leaning towards storyline and drama and less with hand's on experience. The final straw was requiring Internet connection, subs, and multi players. I finally relented and purchased a PS5 this year but still play off the internet.
The exclusives were noted as a financial highlights in SEs financial report...the exclusive angle is a false narrative. Takashi Mochizucki is known to have bad info it pains my heart to see his stuff used here of all places.
Yea this is why you shouldn't listen to gamers about most things. The online consensus right now is that the exclusivity deals are to blame, but that's a gross over simplification. The exclusivity deals streamline development and reduce costs. The PS5 user base is basically 2x the size of the Xbox S/X user base. Would developing multi-platform FF games help ship more games? Sure. But it won't be a night and day difference. Development times will be longer and costs higher with a multi-platform strategy too. Square overall just had a bad strategy. Releasing FF16 and Rebirth within 300 days was not brilliant, inflating sales expectations for their biggest titles to help compensate for expected losses in other units was terrible planning, and a product portfolio that needs improvement all came together to bite Square over the last year. The next mainline FF games should sell much better as the console user bases increase over the next few years. As long as they budget the projects properly and don't compete with themselves, Square will be fine. The short term outlook will be shaky though.
@@rsoxboy Exactly thank you! And not for nothing we have the sales numbers to show Xbox users aren't buying these games (Crisis Core sold 6% total on Xbox). 3rd party deals are being villainized when in all actuality they subsidize so much development/marketing costs it fundementally changes the level of freedom the team has to create and they also get to work without the fear of collapsing if sales expectations are missed which is more of a benefit now than ever before. So many people are either too gung-ho to call an end to exclusives without looking at the benefits it's just game+ more people=better but that's really not all there is to it and thats definitely not the crux of SEs issues they specifically note shifting focus on core IP and cancelling multiple projects. All this info from the horses mouth and it's dismissed for tabloids that'll now be regurgitate en masse because they saw it in a Maximilian video so it MUST be legit.
@@thepews1511 I wish ppl would think more on their sales strategy and the marketing they do for games. For example I fully expect nobody knowing that the next mana game is releasing this summer. But really I think the writing was on the wall once they started selling all those AA games back to back a couple years ago for full price
Finally, someone with a brain in this comment section. It's ridiculous how people here failed to check the information themselves and go by the word of media headlines. The FF exclusives are doing well and was profit for Square.
@@rsoxboyTook the words right out of my mouth. I've posted similar comments on other videos regarding the topic but people disregard it calling me a "fanboy"
I hope FF7 - 3 does not take too long for Sony release. Come on - papa wants to know where the story goes! Good analysis Max. Time for the gaming industry to shake it like a Polaroid picture for change.
To be honest, it's not like the Nintendo Switch could've handle FFVII Rebirth, or Remake for that matter, and Square-Enix wasn't going to make a FFVII remake tailored for the Switch. There are rumors floating around that maybe FFVII Remake Integrade will release on the Switch's successor, but we still don't know when it's going to be released and that doesn't guarantee that the same thing will happen with Rebirth and Part 3, despite Square-Enix's statement that they will pursue a multiplatform strategy they could still have an exclusivity contract with Sony in regards to the FFVII Remake project
@pablocasas5906 well the fact that they "don't want to" is the type of inflexible mindset that will lead a company to go bust. Times have changed, the same PS2 strategy isn't going to in an era where the "next gen" is looking stagnant and innovation seems to be more appealing. They could easily make a graphically impressive FF7 Remake on switch if they tried... and they would have got money for their effort...ah well
@@IntrovertMaxxing to be fair, I think the Final Fantasy VII Remake project started production when the Switch launched and back in its first years not many third-party developers had that much faith in the console, not to mention that S-E kept teasing the remake coming to PlayStation console for more than ten years and the FF series has always had a closer relationship with Sony consoles since the release of FFVII, and for better or for worse S-E has always pushed for the most cutting-edge graphics with their mainline Final Fantasy games, I don't know if it's possible for them to make a less graphically impressive game, like how Armor Project made a PS4 and 3DS version of Dragon Quest XI. However, Square- Enix was one of the few third-parties that actually gave Nintendo a lot of support with new games like Octopath Traveller, Triangle Strategy and plenty of Dragon Quest games, and it seems they're trying to grow the Final Fantasy franchise on Nintendo systems, especially by releasing on Switch games that never came to previous Nintendo systems, like the original FFVII, VIII, IX, X, X-2 and XII. We'll see if S-E will port the rest of the FF games on the Switch 2, like the XIII Trilogy, XIV, XV, FFVII Remake and Rebirth and XVI.
@@IntrovertMaxxing I don't think Square-Enix would've made a FFVII Remake on Switch, the FFVII series has always been associated with Sony's consoles, so it made sense that they they released the games on PlayStation, especially since the idea for a remake was teased since the release of the PS3. Not to mention that, despite the fact that the Final Fantasy series has kept a presence on Nintendo consoles with the re-releases and remakes on the Game Boy Advance and DS, the games from the PSOne onwards only arrived on Nintendo consoles in the Switch era, so pehaps S-E still thinks the audience on Nintendo consoles isn't as big as on PS Still, I think that the Switch's success hasn't changed the way some developers, especially Japanese ones, approach game development, many of them seem to have sort of sense of obligations towards Sony consoles, that's why we had cases like Senran Kagura's developer quitting his franchise due to Sony asking him to censor his games, despite Nintendo being much more lenient, how the Danganronpa developers made that Power Point presentation asking "why won't people buy a PS Vita?" instead of releasing the games on 3DS and how it took a long time for them to appear on the Switch, or how Nihon Falcom avoided publishing games for Nintendo until they were practically obligated since their games weren't selling on PS like they used to.
@@pablocasas5906 and its that obligation to Sony that is making them broke... This old guys need to bring in fresh blood. Developing games for the most popular systems is a no-brainer if you want to be successful
Square doesn't have a choice but to support PC. As Nintendo and Microsoft insist on releasing underpowered systems that can't even match the minimum required for Helldivers 2. The GPU needs at least 4GB of VRAM to even boot the game.
I guess this could confirm that FF7Remake will come to Switch 2 as some leaked information said that Nintendo displayed the console running FF7Remake and an enhanced version of BoTW
If the leaked specs for the Switch 2 are correct, I think the console would be able to run Final Fantasy VII Remake as well as in a PS4 Pro, but the question then rises in regards to future Square-Enix games. While I'm sure Dragon Quest XII will arrive in the next Switch, I'm not so sure about future games, especially considering how Final Fantasy games always love to push graphics to the limit
I'd say that God of War and Spider-Man are much more attractive to casual players, I know that this might be difficult to accept for many people, but many younger players, and I mean even milleanials, aren't very interested in the Final Fantasy series as a whole. I mean, FFVII came out in '97, even if the youngest people who played it during its original launch are probably in their mid-30s right now. I feel that Square hasn't done a particularly good job at introducing the FF series to younger players
@@pablocasas5906that sounds like FF has quality issue. FF7 original didnt have issue attracting casuals. Good games will attract casuals. It doesnt matter how complicated it is. It happened to all the nerdiest of games. Souls games appealed to casuals despite its reputation of being obtuse, elder scroll appeales to casuals despite being nerdy lore game, persona being weabo games, etc. Stop blaming others for Square and FF's failure. FF games are simply not that well made these days, it's that simple.
The reason why Playstation exclusives have been consistently such high quality over the last decade is specifically because of that cross-studio communication you reference. That was one of the huge talking points from Sony when they reworked everything between the PS3 and PS4, getting their studios to work together instead of treating them all separately.
Sony hasn't had a first party exclusive worth mentioning in years. Bloodborne was the last good one, it's been turd person hallway simulators and boring open world trash like Last of Us, Horizon, and GoW ever since.
The problem with capitalism is that companies HAVE to grow contantly. If they reach market saturation and their growth stops, it's VERY BAD financially. It means they either solve it, have to sell the company, or they willingly decide to shrink, cutting costs, and restart being a much smaller company, to then try grow again.
@@Shendue Though Western companies seem to be especially susceptible to this. Eastern globe companies are also privy to these rules yes. But they seem slightly more resilient and suborn in how long they give themselves to weather the storm.
I respectfully don't agree with u . They did an amazing job with this game. I feel remake sales helped alot because of the pandemic because alot of people were at home
@@spiderhulk26 Its not the question anymore of Rebirth is good or bad, we are way beyond that. The actual question is, if FF7 Rebirth is the worst game ever made actually. Thats how bad it is
@@Alex-Omega there is alot of really good games people will have different opinions on is it bad or good game . And to alot of people rebirth is considered to be a really good game
You know things are bad when even Maximilian Dood is talking about this. As a highly-competitive gamer who plays Kingdom Hearts games on Proud/Critical Mode Level 1 and a man with integrity, I love seeing these AAA gaming companies burn to the ground before our very eyes. I tried so hard to warn so many people, but they would not listen and told me that I was wrong or told me that I was a bad person. I hate to say I told them all so, but I told them all so.
Not gonna lie as a Kingdom Hearts fan, all my friends were estatic hearing that the entire series was coming to PC … until they learned that Epic Games basically got the full exclusive rights to it. Square said “Steam sales be damned” despite just how large Steam is, they would make so much money if they just stopped exclusivity And looking back this has been a continuous problem for Square throughout Kingdom Heart’s entire life cycle. We went from PS2, to Game Boy, to DS, to PSP, to 3DS, and then eventually to the very end of the PS3-PS4 when the bundles started to officially come out
Nah. Nintendo teams share what they learn with each other. It's why Nintendo has Monolith Soft help a lot of their development while also having Monolith Soft work on their game..
If you've read any of the Iwata Asks interviews it becomes clear just how much Nintendo values the sharing of knowledge and how much of that knowledge is institutionalized. Many employees have commented on how working at Nintendo instills a certain philosophy about game making, so knowledge is being shared on both the technical and creative fronts. Nintendo's president highlighted the importance of this as recently as their latest shareholders meeting.
As someone who platinumed Forspoken, Star Ocean & Diofield Chronicle, as well as trying Babylon’s Fall, Valkyrie Elysium and Foamstars: I actually think Square Enix received far too much unfair bad faith criticism for their games. I feel like they release a decent although unremarkable 6 out of 10 game and people leap on them like vultures claiming they’re the worst games of the year. Their reputation almost worked against them, as people expected so much more. Yet if another dev released some of these games, they’d be in the very positive ratings for reviews and people would find enjoyment in them. This might discredit anything I just said, but it was even the same for Metal Gear Survive. Again I did 100% on it, and it was actually a very competent and polished survival game, yet it got scathing reviews due to the circumstances of its publisher.
konami screwed over kojima and turned MG into a survival action game, rightfully, people were pissed that the guy who created the series got the boot, and we got death stranding because of that all the other stuff is just ''go woke, go broke/DEI/libtards'' reactionary vitriol, set out to tank a game before it even releases a gameplay video, not actually reviewing the game, but driving a narrative based on what is effecitvely conspiracy theories about replacing white or straight protags with people of colour, reeks of bigoted purism
@@knuckles543if this was just empty hate, why did a lot of these games like forspoken, tank so hard? Can't people think for themselves and choose to play them anyway? It seems like the game was honestly bad because even the ones like you who say these critiques aren't deserved couldn't save the game from failure...
@@knuckles543 And forcing activism on all gamers isn't bigoted purism? Conspiracy theories my butt. There are literally consulting agencies like Sweet Baby Inc. that do nothing but work on games to ensure "inclusivity". Square literally built an internal department to check on their work to ensure it fits modern western sensibilities. Conspiracies aren't real. They are unsubstantied fantasies. It's hardly a fantasy when it's a documented fact. The fact you personally don't care either way, or agree with them, doesn't mean your views necessarily align with the vast majority of gamers. A large part of gamers dislike censorship on a matter of principle and think ideological activism in games is out of place. Deal with it.
@@AurumfaeI'd say Forspoken is more of a mid game, unfortunately tainted by the internet (particularly culture warriors) dunking on it (maybe deservedly?), so it gets way more unfair a hate than they deserved Mid games nowadays, in my view, can't just be mediocre or meh on its own anymore, there has to be a culture war lens applied to it because it's political when a mid game decides to have non-white protags in it or smth
Part 3 isn’t in trouble. The developers already said it was done and the only thing they’re doing is voiceover. They even said it might release sooner than expected 2-3 years. If Square Enix gives the middle finger to Sony, it’ll be after part 3. The developers are really hyped about the last part. Square Enix might release a package for all three games if Nintendo ever gets powerful enough and if Microsoft is still here. Square Enix in my opinion didn’t lose money off this one game. It was them working on other worthless projects. People kept telling them to remake FF7, FF8 and FF9. They released some bullshyt until FF16 and Remake. FF15 was garbage. Stranger of Paradise was garbage. Valkyrie wasn’t too impressive. They kept releasing games instead of the ones gamers wanted.
It is definitely underperforming but the sales are good enough to the point where they aren't going to touch their AAA titles since they're the only things keeping them revenue positive. Both things can be true at once!
The point is if being on PC at the time it came out did nothing for it because console gamers don't rock with PC like that, it's usually one of the other units you got that kind of money. 2 by it being cell phone focused out heavily limited is market share when it comes to people who care about ff7
I remember when max said that the lower sales of ff7rebirth didnt matter because of the exclusivity money, but the game underperformed so bad that it did matter in the end. The problem with max and his fanboy glasses is that he likes the game so much that he and some of his community (and the echo chamber people) think that this is the best game ever made, but thats true just for a group of people, for the rest is just another solid game. A lot of people that played remake didnt like that it wasnt a real remake but a new convoluted feverdream story from nomura with multiverses and time travels, divided on 3 parts because greed, and that shows in the big drop of players from remake to rebirth. Exclusivity just made this worse, but it is not the main cause, you can see that other sony exclusives like stellar blade did better than ff, is just that in the eyes of the fans ff7 is way bigger than it really is. I still think that if they made a real ff7 remake with this level of quality, without all the dementor bs and not dividing in 3 parts, just a perfect one video game, it would have been one of the best games of the last years, but doing 3 parts and 30 spin off gives more money, right?
There is no conceivable way to make FF7 into a single game at the level of quality Remake/Rebirth have established without cutting an immense amount of content. Nojima, Hamaguchi and Nomura have said multiple times they didn't want to cut any story, characters, or locations from the original game. That meant, by default, it would be a massively expensive project in development for a very long time. In order to fund the project to completion, they needed to split it into 3 games in order to be able to recoup costs and keep going. This is a passion project, not a money grab. If anything, it's a money PIT for them. The attention to detail in Rebirth especially-the amount of effort clearly poured into every element of the game (beyond even fan expectations)-is not the work of obligation.
@@numinous_ashes They could easily cut out all the bland empty hallways and "kill 5 rats" filler quests, as well as unnecessary nonsense like the 3-4 hours long Hojo lab filler at the end of part 1 and crap like that. Remake is full of nonsense that just pads the game out and wastes time, there was no benefit to making the Train Graveyard a full dungeon with two boss fights, or having two bike sections and making them long and tedious, it was all just padding to make Midgar into a 40 hour game. They could have easily remade FFVII on a single disc, but they wanted to try to milk as much money as possible from it by stretching the game out into multiple parts. Remake was the most disappointing game I have ever played, I had even taken a week off of work to binge it. I called that part 2 would perform much worse compared to Remake because I knew that I'm far from the only one scorned by it, and so it has been great for me to see things play out exactly as I imagined. I'll laugh and clap if part 3 were to even get cancelled.
@@NintendoFan7141 Your comment demonstrates a lot of naivete about how game development works. Remake and Rebirth’s main story quests alone = crazy expensive and time-consuming to create (think about it: this shit looks better than Advent Children, and it’s playable). It would have been prohibitively expensive to develop the entire main story’s scenarios, boss fights and cut scenes for a single game. Never would have gotten made. But of course, gamers complain about paying $70 for a 30 hour game. So they added as much side content as they could manage on top of that to make each individual game a fuller experience. But people complain about that, too, because gamers are the most entitled group of asscakes on the planet.
@@numinous_ashes Why cant they? 13 was a complete game, 16 was complete on release and even got a demand for DLC. 12 was complete 10 was complete. 7 has no excuse. ESPECIALLY part 2. Rebirth just has a shitload of fluff dude. It could've been structured like FF10 with zones you just traveled back to with an airship menu it does not need all the pointless towers and shit. I like remake and rebirth but theres not much of a reason for a lot of the filler shit.
They throw stuff on Xbox I'll buy it, already planning on double dipping on Octopath II when it drops and if the current two FF7R's drop and we gotta wait for part 3 on Xbox that'd be fine and it'd lemme catch up. Mind you there may not be many people on Xbox clammoring like I am to show support but we are here and want to show our love for the franchise too.
The problem here is not the exclusivity of a couple of games (which are paid by Sony) but the fact that young players do not know what Final Fantasy is ,because Square Enix has been killing the franchise for many years...
Max is the only youtuber and journalist that actually read the earnings report and understood it... FF is not in jeopardy and sales of it aren't rhe direct reason for Squares shift. While the exclusivity doesn't help, the biggest issues are all the smaller games not selling at all as well their bloated mobile game side that is filled with failures
4:23 THIS IS FACTUALLY INCORRECT. Stop bringing Nintendo into this. They are making Scrooge McDuck money and have a system that will outsell the PS2. Nintendo moves their teams around. Some people who worked on BOTW worked on Mario Wonder. Retro Studios worked on Mario kart 7. If you dont know 💩 about Nintendo, STFU about them.
Square Enix does not sell well because their games suck. Now without the hyperbole, I do not doubt that platform exclusivity hurts them, but, I think the reason is quality. Modern square enix games do not come up a lot in my age group (mid 20s), and when they do, it is usually a negative connotation (with the exception of XIV). As someone who always wanted to play FF7, every new thing I see about the re series is making me lose interest in it. They are obviously making the old fans happy, but nothing about the games they have been releasing looks exciting to an outsider.
Funny thing is there’s a strong fan base for mainline Final Fantasy, they could probably do a cheaper more basic jrpg/anime game of FF17 and make it available on all platforms - and it would sell like crazy AND be cheaper to develop. Create a thriving world, good characters and story and it’s enough 👍🏻
I feel that the mainline Final Fantasy developers are tied to the idea that all major FF games must have the best graphics that the hardware they work with can offer and due to the already almost 30 years that they have been with the PlayStation as the main platform makes the idea of making a new game with less impressive graphics that can adjust to the hardware of less powerful consoles like the future Switch's succesor very unlikely to happen. It's not like with the developers at Armor Project of the Dragon Quest saga releasing their games on the most popular console in Japan, that how games like DQIX and DQX were released on the DS and Wii, and why they made a version of DQXI for the 3DS
You also have to keep in mind that FF7 has a long term selling point too. Eventually Part 3 will be released and then a year down the road they will rerelease the ENTIRE game as a massive trilogy package which is even more money. So I doubt they are worried about 7 at all. Not to mention they will likely do something with the original game/AC and DoG and probably push another game beyond those.
I find it weird bc Kingdom Hearts is like Squares only game that went multiple platform before any of this was this maybe bc Disney said fuck you we want as much money as possible and that means selling the games on all platforms. I know PC and switch were much later but it came out on Xbox and PlayStation same time
Star ocean the second story r was very successful commercially and critically! It was brilliant! And FF7 Part 3 isn't in trouble at all, they are resetting the company so its dipping before rising again, also DQ12 is literally what they need since its their biggest rpg in Japan and it will do numbers! That game need to be on all platforms and it will sell A LOT!
So what is saying is that FF will still be on PS, but also in other consoles? If so, thats a good thing because even tho I am a PS player, I can agree in a case like this.
I don’t want people to lose their jobs, but I wish SE is forced to change management or sell their IPs. That way maybe some developer that really loves OG FF7 can give us the faithful remake that the game deserves.
I feel many people are waiting until part three to buy them all and olay them straight through. If you wanted hige profit you pull the last game as two year exclusive. We have seen this is 96, SQUARE made 7 with the hope that it wilould give them a revival.... We are here again... Our reunion
I heard rumours about Bravely Default 3, which is done by the same team that does Octopath Traveler, so maybe there is hope. Octopath Traveler 2 was my GOTY.
Idk about it being better than FF7, but Octopath Traveler definitely deserves to keep being made. It's one of those games that is great all around with very few actual flaws, which you don't see very often from smaller titles (and major titles nowadays...)
The breadwinner ain't FF7, it's FFXIV... that game is almost single-handedly keeping the rest of the company afloat. I mean it's not like FF7 didn't help, but notice that FFXIV isn't on that failed expectations list...
Imagine how big Final Fantasy would be if it wasn't a PlayStation exclusive for such a long time. Imagine if they reached the Nintendo, Xbox and PC audience when it mattered. I was too young for the SNES FF games, but i would've been in the perfect age group for FF7, but i was always on Nintendo consoles and PC, as a result i just don't care about Final Fantasy, and i bet I'm not the only one. I tried getting into 7 and 10 just before the release of 7 remake and just couldn't enjoy it. FF14 was okay, but i could not care about the story at all. IMAGINE if kingdom hearts was released on gamecube, it would've been a perfect game for nintendo players.
Part of this issue boils down to whether the sales are bad or whether the projections and expectations set by Square Enix were poor. Projecting 1m but selling 3m is very different from projecting 10m and selling 3m. It’s likely they set the budget in advance to create the game they wanted rather than based on expected sales, and hyped the game up and just hope it hit their cost + % to cover projections. It’s really frustrating how short-sighted the games industry is. A pragmatic look at Rebirth would show that: 1. Remake released during the pandemic boom, so expect lower sales as a result of this. 2. As a story based sequel, you have to expect lower sales because with the exception of an extremely small minority, noone is going to play Rebirth without playing Remake and not everyone who played Remake will want to play Rebirth, some who tried Remake but just didn’t like it, and some who want to but it isn’t released on a platform they have. 3. Remake sold 7m as of the end of 2023, across PC, PS4 and PS5. PC and PS4 have a combined install base of over 250m. PS4 alone was around 117m. This is a PS5 exclusive which has an install base of roughly 55m, less than half of PS4 alone and 1/5th of PS4 and PC combined. I’d expect Rebirth and XVI to sell more when the PC port is released. The games themselves sold well for what they are, but you’re never going to have the mass market appeal of a PS5 exclusive like Spiderman, or the pure sales of a multi-platform FPS game like Helldivers 2. That being said, the issue seems to be twofold: 1. Not making accurate projections of their successful games. 2. Poor management of other projects leading to higher expenses which not only hurt revenue because it’s a sunk cost on a game that won’t see any sales, but it hampers profits because of the money spent on these cancelled projects.
Im so tired of the whole doom and gloom narrative media/haters jump on everytime SE fails with something. Great reviews/shit sales? Haters rejoice and start cooking up drama and using it for ammunition as for their grievances. Great sales/shit review scores? You get people hammering the game like its their second job also. Am I the only one thats exhausted by this creepy ‘fanbase’ that seemingly doesnt seem to enjoy the current games yet go out of their way to own people that do? Stalking the company and the IP. Its so weird. No other community does this. It feels like you cant actively love these titles and anticipate the best possible version of the upcomming games. Because there’s always drama and fearmongering. Fueled by the same people and media playing into their eager clicks. But would the industry really be better off without FF and just more CoD/Spiderman etc? Would FF7R Part 3 really preferably suffer a massive budget cut just because one didnt get their turn based gameplay or had the exact 1:1 game remade from OG. I feel like allot of people literally dont buy these games for petty reasons. They cant even look the other way. Its mere existance upsets them and their enjoyment of two decades old games. So it has to suck/fail or preferably canned. How old are these people deep inside?
@@Storm1Trooper5 Seriously I thought it was just in my head and I couldn't describe the sentiment I felt. But you said it. They are actively affecting the perception of these games to atleast some degree. It's creepy. I'm not sure what they wish to accomplish other than childish revenge and validation. The Remakes were always set in stone from the moment the first part was released in 2020. And while mainline new entries can always experiment. It will never go back to turn based and/or fit the image of their idealized FF from the 90s. I really hope the public sentiment turns against these people and the negativity they bring to the table. It's one thing to be critical. It's another thing to still be stalking the franchise years after you were turned off by it. It's toxic and people should react to it as such at this point.
Dont worry the people who defend the modern video game industry outnumber anyone with a brain, people will defend their brands/multi billionaire companies to the death, zoomers have been trained very well to do this thanks to social media. FF7-3 rebirthed remaking reimagined: you will (Not) stop milking, is not in danger neither are the old business men making millions from it.
Its definitely these miserable people who follow SE with like fanatic hatred of them no matter what. If 16 is mentioned the crowd of frothing morons who act like its the worst game ever made is insane while if FF7 has its purist hatred crowd ONTOP of its rabid defenders who act like the game is perfect. No matter what SE has this aura of annoying fucks.
At this point they’re committed, finish the finale to the remake and focus on FF17 or another big project. They need to stop worrying about over making money and focus on making the best game they can. Hopefully the multi-platform idea not only gives them more revenue, but brings more eyes to their series. Tons of people have been saying “FF16 looks cool, oh I like that fat moogle in Rebirth” but they don’t own a PS5 for financial reasons or they aren’t committed to buy a whole other console for a single game. It’s not like back in the day where GOW3 was a PS3 seller. Companies need to understand console wars are dead, people play on their Apple Watches these days, not just one device lol. Just make everything on anything and end the exclusivity already. Except Nintendo, they can do their own thing…
Sony made games in Australia $125 AUD. When the companies did their $10 USD rise from $60 to $70 in USA, Sony in Australia went fucking crazy and put them up to $125 here.
Star Ocean 2 Remake was amazing.
it really was ❤
Ikr? I might going to buy the physical version soon
absolutely, faithful to the original vision too
Star Ocean 6 was a mild return to form too, but still left a lot to be desiredb
@@Evanz111 that's the thing, most of those games were at least fun. even if not amazing. diofield was a nice AA game as was triangle strategy. its just that square did nothing to help them sell. which sucks because people keep asking companies to do exactly what square did, and it did not pan out for them.
Shot anwser no Ff7 isn't in trouble
Short*
Duh FF7R and FF14 are keeping them from going under.
thank you for saving me the time
@@Dominic.p20 damn...
@@Zack_Wildfirenot rebirth
What i'd be really concerned about is the future of stuff like HD-2D if anything. If this de-emphasis on quantity means less or possibly no more mid-tier titles like Octopath, Triangle Strategy and Live a Live I'll be sad. Especially because DQ III HD-2D made me really hopeful for more remakes of 16 bit Square games in that style
octopath was honestly amazing, my dude such great games and still looking marvellous
Octopath, Bravely and Triangle Strategy all sold over 1M copies so those three franchises are probably all safe
I wouldn't be too worried. Tomoya Asano, who is the producer of all of the HD-2D stuff, just got promoted at Square Enix very recently. If Square wasn't happy with those games I don't think they'd be promoting the person in charge of them.
Same. I have been praying for a HD-2D remake of Chrono Trigger.
@@treesnip5667 I hope so. I've enjoyed the 2-D games they've made, from original games like both Octopath games and Triangle Strategy to their 2-D remakes of older games. And with Live A Live, Mario RPG and Oger Tactics getting this treatment, plus with the Mana and SaGa series getting some love to in recent years, it gives a lot of people like me hope that Chrono Trigger and FF Tactics could possibly get that treatment as well in the future.
Capcom started this after they realized how big the PC gaming community was. This this was around 2018. I know Monster hunter world and RE2 remake were HUGE pc successes, now they are a Multiplatform company and recently they gave their employees raises while other companies were laying people off.
Glad that SE is starting to realize the same thing. This is good news.
Huh... RE7 on the PC was a clusterf@k of a release... not to mention the "VR" mode is only available guess where? Sony... but they the same can be said about RE8 VR mode... I wonder where you can play that one.. oh right...still SONY... WTF?!?!
They changed some things... but they aren't the "saviors" people make them to be...
@@Helifax19 I said 2018. I also said Monster hunter world and RE2 remake.. which were both great pc release.
@@bousch8253 SE didn't finally realize anything. They were handcuffed due to Sony's exclusive contracts. They are almost fully free of that. If I'm not mistaken FF7 part 3 is still under Sony contract.
The issue is that the vast majority of sales are on Playstation and not PC. The PC community of sales is not as big as you let on. FF16 struggled because every major game but BG3 and Zelda struggled last year due to a very intense 2nd half of releases. Rebirth struggled due to the breakout success of Helldivers 2 and Dragon's Dogma 2.
@@cr082080 I was talking about capcom games. But ok.
You say the PC community of sales isn't big huh? GoS just became the 2nd biggest sony selling game because of what again? Helldivers 2 became sony's biggest selling game because of what community? Both not because of PS.
FF16 if released day 1 on PS along with PC would have sold a lot more copies. Thats a fact. The PC player base dwarfs sony and microsoft combined. You can't even create PSN accounts in more than half the countries in the world. 69 to steams 190+ alone. Rebirth struggled because it was pigeon held, just like FF16 to sony.
EDIT: I also own a PS5, Xbox series X and a switch if your wondering.
It would be funny if the executives would go like, "hey! Since we are going multiplatform now, our expectations should be higher too!"
Oh but absolutely, this whole thing is "Shareholder not happy, not enough money", exclusivity ain't a problem unless your whole focus becomes money.
FF7 R/R/R is completely financed by Sony, and they have complete freedom, but all I hear from their reports is "Money money money" why else would they create a Mobile Unit, totally not to create a dogshit Gacha game. /s
FF7R-3 will be the top-seller of the year and SE will stay "Nope, still sold under expectations"
square enix has quality graphics but good graphics do make for good gameplay and the gameplay is why people do not buy from square enix.
Square enix is proof great graphics do not make great games, and they continue to prove it decade after decade.
SE did that with first tomb raider and it sold more than 7M units…. But SE said not enough so i wouldn’t be surprised
The Tomb Raider trilogy sold more (lifetime sales) than most Final Fantasy games and still wasn't enough for Square Enix 😭
People forget FF7 Remake released during the Panda. We were all were just sitting home with stimulus checks. It was a perfect storm. It wasn't something to compare a normal year to.
Sadly shareholders don't care about context. They just want to keep seeing big numbers get bigger, circumstances be damned
Yeah and also more people have ps4s and the game was also 60$ not 70
I mean the game only sold 7 mio units lol. Wasn't a huge success to.
Thats the biggest reason for the slip in sales @cloudstrife4324
You were lucky if you got to sit at home. I had to work the whole year. But I was lucky enough to get a PS5 at launch
I'm really hoping FFVIIR3 will get out just before whatever massive shift in the industry will occur
I hope Part 3 arrives on 2027, at least S-E could release it on Final Fantasy VII's 30th anniversary
Nintendo will survive because they are focusing on fun and not showcasing its graphical capabilities
If they want it to meet expectations make part 3 multiplat put on ps5 Xbox And pc day one
@Xanatos0504 nintendo games have lost the things that made them fun. Now it's all bland open world nonsense in zelda. Metroid doesn't exist, 2 sequels to splatoon no one asked for. Frankly nintendo is not what they used to be
@@pablocasas5906 7/7/27 or riot
The lack of a Rebirth sales number announcement is pretty concerning. They were quick to announce them for FFXV, FF7 Remake and FFXVI. It's been a few months now, and no word on how Rebirth sold. That plus the Japan figures out of famitsu make it seem like maybe Rebirth is under performing in a bad way
Don't worry, in Square's Financial Highlights, they said that Rebirth had a "solid performance", and even promoted the director to an executive position, because of that.
Anything else you hear, is just speculation from people with nothing better to do.
Just because it didn't meet expectations it doesn't mean it or 16 aren't in the green at this point. 16 we know for a fact sold 3m+ copies so far and it has an 18 month strategy for goals not sell everything within the first few months. Both games are also still exclusives.
They didn't know the ending. But some who've heard of the ending would've not bought rebirth. IF they are fans or they've played the OG, or theyre skeptics.
@@eigelgregossweisse9563
You don't speak for anyone but yourself.
FF7 Remake had the ps4/5 platform to help it with sales. Rebirth has everything such as the bad economy, PS5 exclusive (which a good portion of folks are still on the PS4), etc. that is going against it. From what I've heard though, it did well but obviously could've have done better for the accolades it received.
FF is not the problem. Babylons Fall, Forspoken, Avengers and many random titles are. It‘s stupid to only look at exclusivity. There is way more broken than that.
True but exclusivity for third party titles is still lame, especially when they aren't meeting expectations
I'd say Final Fantasy is the problem as well, FF XVI and VII Rebirth failed to meet Square-Enix's sales expectations
Those titles being random aren't the problem, new ideas are great, the problem is those games are awful. Plain and simple.
@@pablocasas5906because it was a ps5 exclusive of course it won’t meet their expectations not everybody has a ps5 these days because the hype died down and people lost interest in the console those people are pc players now they don’t have to worry about console censorship they can have better graphics and frames pc offers much more than these companies consoles
for YEARS people kept asking companies to stop focusing on AAA games and start selling AA games, that's literaly what square did with ALOT of projects they made. and they werent half bad either. many of them were at least good. some were even great.
but the problem is, they didnt market it to anybody, almost shadow dropping after anouncing them on their event as if they expected that the brand name alone would sell them.
Square Enix is like those asian parents who are extremely upset with their kid for only getting an A instead of A+.
Oh yea, when you tell them you program in C++, they will ask why don't you program in A++? 😏
it is more the kid get a+ and was one best student
but currently he fall behind 3 or 4 other student and he only get b
square enix currently fall behind capcom, namco bandai, sega, probabaly same level than koei tecmo
final fantasy is not anymore the jrpg
This game was SSS + maybe not in sales tho
@DaQuanteWilliams what did you smoke?
That is the entire industry dude. They always want an increase in profit. If your numbers remain consistent, even if those numbers are high, you’re in trouble. Reviews are largely irrelevant
Square should stop with exclusivity deals
Edit: To clarify, I'm referring to the EPIC games store exclusivity deal on PC. Because that is a near-death sentence for PC, even Alan Wake 2 hasn't recouped its costs til now
Exclusitivity deals should be illegal
You obviously didn't read anything.
Hard agree, dood!
See I get that, but honestly no one on Xbox buys FF games. If anything put it day and date on PC. When it comes to the Switch they wouldn’t even be able to get half of their games to run on it.
Timed exclusivity with a certain platform is because they believe their game will succeed the best there. Usually, when that’s the case, they then get to porting to everywhere else. One of the problems with Square is that they set their sales targets way too high, especially when the game is on one platform, and not one a lot of people have.
I don’t see this applying to Part 3. Sony bought and paid for the entire trilogy in advance. I think Part 3 may be an exception to the multi platform plan they are trying to implement but we’ll see. Depends on if they can renegotiate the contract they signed with Sony for the VII Remake trilogy being PS exclusive.
Square enix decided to take a 140 million dollars loss to stop developing games nobody wanted to play, I do not doubt they would accept to pay some more to break their contract with Sony since exclusivity is not profitable.
And regardless, it appears they got the window down to 3 months for Rebirth, which isn't all that bad if they can get other versions to market that quickly. Especially given the fact that the industry as a whole will likely be slowing down. Maybe peoples' attention spans won't shift quite so quickly either.
Do we know for sure they paid for exclusivity for the whole trilogy? I've heard people say that but never seen direct confirmation.
@@garywood97 Yeah I'd also like to see a source for this claim
If they make 3 a Sony exclusive they’re screwed
Sonys exclusivity deal has been cutting them off from other sources of money by not releasing for multiplat
Well, Forspoken was weird, FFXVI sold more than 3 million units and wasn't enough, FF7 Rebirth sold more than 2,5 million units not enough again.
Maybe they are spending more than they should in some games and betting too much on other games that are indeed successful but not world Record breaking day one sales, which seems to be their expctations.
A point I’ve seen about FF7 Remake Trilogy is that some older gamers aren’t exactly a fan of the multiverse aspect of it. And then some new players are fine and enjoy the multiverse aspect.
I feel like aside from console exclusivity, Square should’ve marketed it clearer from the get go. Tell players not to expect a one-to-one remake. It might be obvious but some players weren’t aware and disliked that multiverse plot.
Moreover, the censorship and patching is something I’ve also seen discussed as a hard point against the game.
Either way, Square needs to make sure the Trilogy ends up on PC and ends with a complete banger ending. Along with having KH4 ready, improved fixes from KH3, and a strong selection of Disney films/worlds to use.
The final fantasy franchise is the least of Square Enix's problems. Did they hit the obscenely high sales targets Square had set? No, but they were still Square's best successes, and are the reason why the company isn't fully under right now.
FF7R not being exactly what every single fan wants is not the issue. The issue is that Square is dumping money into the wrong projects and wrong markets outside of FF.
Multi-platform will absolutely help, but they need to allocate their funding better. Repeated mobile games that crash and burn, investing tons of time and money into IPs no one knows or cares about, years of games trapped in development hell that can't easily recoup costs (if you think FF is costing them, I can't imagine how KH is faring)
@@SableWind I think the release in multi platforms can help a lot at launch, Sony itself reveled that Helldivers 2 sold 12 million units in the first 3 months, so steam and console could easily help ff7rebirth something around 6 million in the same time frame, I believe.
But I completely agree they're spending too much on not so sure bets, a Gaas for example, will hardly hit milestones since most people tend to stick to their favourite gaas and won't play other game to buid up a strong account all over again.
Keep in mind that Final Fantasy XVI was released more than a year ago, the problem isn't that selling 3 million copies in its first months wasn't bad, the problem is that it's not selling more copies as of the date hereof
@@TacoLexits only sold on ps5 right now and making 2.5m on just one console is good
For some context about MK11 on Switch, the Switch was actually it's second highest selling platform after PS4 according to WB/Netherrealm.
I even bought the switch version just for fucks and overall I don’t care about getting a better version that’s how good it is, I had the option of ps4 or my gaming laptop/steam deck.
That makes me wonder if developers and publishers will go all out when the Switch's successor gets released. I can imagine there's some developers who wished to release some games on Nintendo, but the current Switch can't handle them
@@pablocasas5906 going all out is releasing the full pc version…similar to gaming on Steam deck or pc…even though your hardware might be weaker now when the next system or your update comes, you can just turn up the graphics and resolution….now if your speaking its own custom ports then yeah it’s going to happen again.
@pablocasas5906 likely if they can get a fraction of swotch 2s sold near the pace of switch 1 it and be reasonably powerful enough to muster to effort cost to make a port they might.
@@chillnspace777 it depends on game as well just because switch sells millions does not meat certain third party developers will benefit from it…sniper elite 4( fantastic switch port btw) I even purchased day 1 for switch…it was out for years on the other systems $80 special edition and only 3-4 players online…the pvp was a drag.
SE's sales expectations have been silly now for at least 3 console generations.
I still vividly remember when they announced back then that the first game of their Lara Croft reboot sold for about 3.6 million units at launch (which is bonkers) - followed by them also saying they lost money on the game and expected almost twice the amount of sales. And this dance has been repeating multiple times now, to the point I'm shocked SE hasn't just been bought out if they are underperforming as much as they claim.
This. I can't remember the last time SE didn't say that a game failed to reach expectations. They seem to be delusional when it comes to their predictions.
@@BAMFshee FFXVI, that came out last year.
@@wood1066 Nope, they said it didn't "meet expectations" either. It was on track to originally, but its sales cooled off too quickly and ultimately didn't.
@@BAMFshee When was that? Because during a sales call back towards the end of January they said it did. Not once this year or last year have I every seen them say otherwise.
@@wood1066 They literally said it in the earnings call that this video is about.
"Sales of FF16 did not meet expectations. Initial momentum was in line with expectations, but the games failed to meet the fiscal year target due to slowing momentum. No update from last reported sales figure of 3 million."
I don't think FF7 Part 3 is in trouble because its development started, and it had to start in some fashion well in advance of Rebirth. Final Fantasy 17 and the future of Kingdom Hearts are multiple other cans of worms.
Kingdom Hearts has the backing from Disney as well and they know that series sells so that’s not in trouble
@LebowskiDee That's hardly a relief. Disney is very likely to screw over a project at any point. If they decide that KH III (which had a long tumultuous, and likely costly development) didn't sell enough because it wasn't purchased by the entire population of the world, it's done for.
They wont stop doing FF and also DQ these are their legacy franchises
Yeah good point,no game ever who's development has started has ever been cancelled 🙄
Will they be timed exclusive on the PS6 tho 🐌🐌
I’m gonna bury my head in the sand and pretend FF7R3 is still on track for release in three years. 😤
All good not like we are looking at a ff13 Versus situation.
It is, just dont expect the insane budget 2 had.
Who could have foreseen that putting your games on 1/4 of the available platforms would make you less money?
It was asinine for Sqaure to allow it to be a timed exclusive to begin with. Xbox shpuld have been got their copy a long time ago.
@@2Good2BeTrue45 the console where people dont buy games?
@@2Good2BeTrue45 it's not just about xbox, the games generally don't sell well there the main thing is getting games on PC
its also all the DEI crap
@@diex40 OooOOo minorities in video games OoOoOoo i bet you are so scared rn
I know Max doesn't want to hear this and to his credit it's proooobably too early to DEFINITIVELY say this but when we're hearing repeatedly that FF7R is failing to meet internal expectations and they're not releasing the sales figures it's not the golden goose. That would be FF14. It's been an open secret that Yoshi P's baby has been keeping the light's on in Square Towers for a while now.
Real talk.
Well thats normal right? It's an MMO. WoW did the exact same thing for Blizzard back in the day. It allowed them to expand into Starcraft 2, Diablo 3 and Overwatch. Games that wouldn't have all been greenlit if WoW wasn't their security blanket. I see much the same here with unlikely games becoming reality like FF7R, FF16 and KH4 to name a few. We might also get FF9R. This reminds me so much of Blizzard back in the day. So absolutely thank god for BU3 and FF14 keeping these projects safe. Its super important.
Yes and no, I love FFXIV great story great game, I play it as an RPG, not a MMO, and you are right the income every month is a certainty and money hungry CEO love that, BUT FFVII will always be the golden goose, If you are talking about money from sales, they are less o more from the sells of buying Endwalker or dawntrail? (not the monthly subs), How much more people play FFVII R and Rebirth than FFXIV? who is more recognizable Tifa or Yshtola? And there is a reason SE release the Remake or not? and why if they are already earning moeny with XIV? FFVII is the golden goose, and the risk is ruin it and losing it forever
Square just said in their latest financial report, that Rebirth was one of their financial highlights, and even promoted Hamaguchi because of that.
Meanwhile, they said that the MMO division(supervised by Yoshida), is not doing well.
So you can stop kissing Yoshida's ass now.
@@Ukaran What are you even talking about? The financial report highlighted an 11% revenue loss in MMO revenue and for close to half the fiscal year its been the dry period for 14. The MMO is about to release its new expansion and enter its healthy period. AKA giant profit increase for this fiscal year. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Square if you want money just put the Kingdom Heart's games on the Switch. But like, actually put the games on the Switch. Not fucking Cloud versions of it.
I think the issue why all mainline Kingdom Hearts games were released as Cloud versions on the Switch were probably due to some sort of mandate from the higher-ups at S-E or Disney, I can imagine some executive demanding that all KH games were available on Nintendo to coincide with Sora's inclusion in Smash Ultimate, but that included Kingdom Hearts III, since the game was still kind of new, but the porting KH III to the Switch would've been impossible and they weren't able to just port I, II and 3D natively while III was only a Cloud game, so they reached a compromise in that all the KH games on Nintendo would be Cloud based
I just hope that S-E and Disney port all of the mainline KH games natively on the Switch's successor
@@pablocasas5906 That would be such a dumb decision to make. They know perfectly well no one was going to buy cloud versions of the game, especially on the Switch. It doesn't even have a LAN port. Unless you buy an OLED Switch. Making them Cloud versions was just a waste of money, not to mention the price that they put on them.
Let's hope we get all of them on Switch 2, maybe they can even throw FF7 Remake in there. 🙏🏽
And Steam. They don't even need to do any extra work for that one... And that's the biggest customer pool of any platform ever
Cloud's already in the game. No need to have a Cloud version lol
No one cares about switch. I'm surprised they bothered releasing at all.
Honestly, we still don’t know much about Kingdom Hearts 4.
Plus, what Max said about the game not being released soon. I’m not sure about that. The game is owned by Disney but developed by Square. So, I don’t think it would fall under Square’s umbrella exactly.
If we don’t get a trailer for KH4 at Summer Games Fest, then yeah… we aren’t seeing KH4 till 2026 or later
I don't see kh4 having a 2025 realease date, maybe late 2026 at most
Kingdom Hearts is a major series for them that makes them money every time. It's good.
@@Tkj1990
You’d be surprised. The hype for KH3 and the *somewhat* failure it had caused a number of people to falter on the series. Granted, that could be only KH3’s reaction.
But with KH4 being a new leaf into a whole new story arc it could drive new players in. Especially if a Star Wars Episode 6 world is utilized. Using Luke, Han, and Leia along with Darth Vader respectively and in an exciting fashion would draw new players into the game.
@@antisocial372
Work on KH4 is honestly based on speculation alone. But with the game having been… “worked on” since (2020) Re:Mind and even before then, the game has to have a good amount of work done on it.
Plus, the footage shown of KH4 was on UE4 but Nomura mentioned that it would be fully developed on UE5.
Not to mention, Nomura did mention at a Conference about the future of the series being affected but didn’t go into detail. I’m betting this has to do with Disney and their relationship with Epic. Possibly connecting UE5 development with KH4.
@@TacoLex Possibly the wrong players 😬
I didn't forgot. Octopath, Star Ocean, FFviiR, FFXVI and Valkyrie was all amazing.
The majority of those are console exclusives for Nintendo.
@@VenomtheOne Since when any single game above is a Nintendo game?
@@TigraSpartan yeah that reply had me scratching my head. Only Octopath was Nintendo exclusive for a bit, the sequel was multiplatform from the get-go. Star Ocean is multiplat. FFVIIR, XVI and Valkyrie were all PS exclusives
Unfortunately all of those games are niche and some are exclusive. If this was PS4 era it’d be fine but the times have changed
"The larger games, are relatively unaffected." Idk, when have very few rain makers trying to float multiple projects at once, you start to see the cracks.
Problem is that a lot of "Gamers" are on TH-cam. TH-cam "content creators" chase clicks. What gets clicks?
Savaging games.
Nobody talked about Diofield etc because they were GOOD. Nobody will click on it.
"Forspoken" got slaughtered online. Click.
Octopath 1 sold great compared to the first and it started exclusive
Logical posts like this are going to get ignored by the hundreds mad that they can’t play the game on their favourite hardware
That's because A) they made a marketting slam dunk pairing the game with the right audience, and B) people who own a Switch more often than not, are big gamers in general, spend most of their Switch time gaming, and want to buy new games. The same isn't always guaranteed for the other consoles. Listen to what Max is saying about attach rates.
Also Octopath was an incredibly charming and fresh game.
The point isn't that exclusives don't sell, it's that the latest FF games flop because of a low attach rate on PS5 in general and marketing problems.
@@malaki7123 then why didn’t they do the same with octopath 2?
@@clydu91 it’s wild to call them a Flop lol. Both have been successful critically and commercially just didn’t hit internal goals. Especially Rebirth. They way you people act you’d thing square is millions in debt when they’re still pretty profitable
With all the recent Western game industry drama of lay offs and Sony PSN controversies, it's abundantly clear to me that the strategies used by Western corporations are terrible for game development, so much that it has even affected originally Japanese corps like Sony and SquareEnix. Every other Japanese game studio has been doing exceptionally well, not only having no layoffs, but even increased employee pay across the board. Capcom, Bamco and even Nintendo has all raised their overall pay, while Western studios are just doing layoffs after layoffs.
SquareEnix has now cut ties with all Western studios, hopefully they can stop spreading their resources too thin and pick it up, and cut ties with Sony, they're just a liability.
It all comes back to how the law is setup for corporate shit, where Japan at least actually kept a lid on a lot of the more egregious things executives could do, whereas America just openly embraced corporations fucking people over
A side factoid about the japanese pay raises. They are separate from legal-mandated raises and likely a reaction to aggressive poaching from outside asian companies like NetEase and Mihoyo that established japanese-based studios.
Western studios and companies are just dicking around at this point. Not even serious. I see every good Japanese studio finding their way. Even SE. I have no hope for western studios.
Moving Sony HQ to california was a mistake since day 1, its not run by smart business people or artists only activists that hate entertainment, IF Sony HQ would go back to japan the industry will start healing again.
@@slifer875 I actually fully agree with this. If they can take the knowhow back to Japan and cut with the political bullshit that California seems to only be doing these days it will be better for everyone. Except for the no life activists but fuck them.
I'm glad they've figured it out. A lot of us have PCs, and they aren't cheap. We don't want to buy a PS5, especially when the PS5 doesn't offer anything over what a PC can. If they consider moving a lot of their older exclusive titles to a PC format, I'll personally be ecstatic, and sure others will too.
Honestly if we start getting day 1 FF games on PC then ill be happy
XVII will likely launch on all systems day one. Remake Part 3 will probably still have an exclusive window due to prior contracts.
I’m still surprised that Rebirth wasn’t a MASSIVE success. I thought it would’ve been like what happened with The Dark Knight where the first installment was great and well received but the second would have word of mouth carry this game all year.
Sony was probably betting it would have been a system seller given Remake sold impressively - but even though it was just 4 years ago, it was a drastically different time. In their minds, they may have been thinking people bought the game because it was a Final Fantasy, just like how 15 sold. But 15 was multiplatform and a fresh game.
All in all, PC is winning the console war.
It did well enough. The people who wanted it, bought it. That's what the numbers show. It also shows it didn't appeal to people outside of the fan base or genre, which makes sense. The game (FF7/ FF in general) is niche.
@@Aurumfae I wanted it, and I didn't buy it. It's not a system seller so I can wait.
It was a bit of bait and switch. It was heavily marketed as a retelling of the original story, which it isn't.
I didn't buy the game precisely for that (and because they outright lied about it having a turn based mode).
Also, the fact they decided to make it a three-parter doesn't help. Historically, episodic games never did that well. A lot of people don't want to play a game only for then having to wait years to go on with the story.
Add to it that I didn't buy a PS5. I was turned off by the fact they implemented censorship so heaviliy on it. I stuck to Switch + PC, this gen. I'm not a fan of them catering to politically correct activism.
The thing is that Final Fantasy VII Rebirth has a lot of thing going against it:
- The fact that is a direct sequel, which requires players to ay least know what the previous game was about before jumping to the sequel, so it has a huge barrier of entry for new players;
- That there's plenty of people that didn't feel like upgrade to a PS5;
- There's some folk who didn't like the changes made to the story in Remake;
- FFVII Remake came during the pandemic, and that actually benefited its sales in some aspects;
- There's plenty of people, especially young ones, who don't actually care about Final Fantasy VII, or FF in general.
Pretty sure F7R3 is still gonna be PS5 exclusive at launch. I feel like sony and square signed off on this multi release contract years ago.
Yeah, but I guess by that time the PS5 will have sold at least over 100 million units and perhaps Remake Intergrade and Rebirth will have increased their sales a bit, maybe giving the third part a little boost to their sales, but who knows, I feel we are 3 or more years away from the release of Part 3 and many things can happen in the meantime
FF7 is not the bread winner. It's the money pit fed by the actual bread winner, FF14.
I wouldn't go that far. I would say that the bread that is FF7 isn't winning because it's not in the winning store that is Steam.
Hey, yoshi p cultists how did you feel when turn based game baldurs gate 3 won game of the year?
@@FoxMcCloud-64 Well deserved. I don't really like FF14.
@@FoxMcCloud-64 its tactical rpg like fire emblem and ff tactics different from rpg turnbase.
@@FoxMcCloud-64 I love Baldurs gate 3? Idk why do you hate a dev studio so much weirdo.
What's with that Akuma box on the back lol
It's akuma week
Shark ... I mean AKUMA week
Thank God that Yoshida and the FF14 team exist in their own pocket dimension seemingly safe from the evils of the Squenix C-suite.
Even FF14 has nothing right now. It's dry.
@@mowijeNext expansion is coming in the summer
@@Northymark2 with final fantasy 16 out of the way hopefully there will be a bit more content this time round, I felt end Walker was driving through the heel when it came to content.
@@Northymark2 yeah but doesn't change the fact that it hasn't doing anything special for a long time now since endwalker.
@77wolfblade FFXVI had no impact on FFXIV. EW had tons of content, plus significant system changes, but the reward and grind structure had a lot of criticism
The one thing that I pray happens for FF7 is LEEESSSS of these random ass mini-games that literally piss people off to quit playing. I almost stopped playing mainly due to Fort Condor.
I think this is a net positive for FF7, and square in general. They are really going to be in a better place after this shift, and it's actually coming at an ideal time for FF7. Max touched on it at the end when speaking to the "thrilogy." There are many things to keep in mind here. One being that a huge number of fans from day one, have continued to speak about waiting for all 3 parts before playing. Two, a huge number of players insist on waiting (or have to wait) to play these games until it's ported to PC, due to the graphical quality available, the desire to play at maximum quality, and the fact that a huge portion of potential players don't have a PS5 (but likely have a PC), there is pretty strong evidence that the FF7 fanbase has outgrown the one-comparable Playstation player-base. Three, with scope AND reception increasing title-over-title with the first two, expectations of quality for the 3rd are going to be higher, as well as demand.
I think all of these things could culminate into MASSIVE sales upon initial release of the full FF7 series, especially if it's available non-exclusively on day-1 for part 3. We could very likely be seeing another Cyberpunk 2077 type situation, where they are going to see sudden astronomical success once everything falls into place.
Bingo, this trilogy will become their all time best seller and best SE project ever
Anyone remember the dragon quest 3 remake?
I'm pretty sure that game is still in development, Enix wouldn't shelved the remake of one of their most popular titles from its history, and I don't think it has to do with the passing of Akira Toriyama, and Koichi Sugiyama for that matter.
@@pablocasas5906 yeah I’m sure it’ll come out later
@@pablocasas5906 honestly dragon quest as a whole has been largely ignored despite the good reception of 11 with poor marketing to the west that Sqaure are very guilty in doing, the entire series of FF is quite easy to get nowadays where is dragon quest isn't for some reason and just simple ports of mainly the mobile versions which dor the most part in terms of content would be satisfactory but strangely have not really thought of that for some bizarre reason. they announced a new project for yoko taro to do which it's kind of surprising they haven't really used him as much despite automata, he did get some stuff later like replicant remaster but the rest are side lesser projects which are mostly fine and taro is still putting effort it's just strange they haven't given him another big game to work with
@@nightwish1453 yeah, there's seem to be some issues regarding the Dragon Quest series since there were some changes in the managenent of the series. I'd say Enix lost a huge opportunity in regards to growing the franchise, especially with the popularity of the Switch in Japan and elsewhere. Back in the GBA , DS and 3DS eras there tons of high-quality spin-offs and remakes from old games and the DS and 3DS saw the release of two mainline titles (IX and XI).
While there were some interesting spin-offs released in the last few years like DQ Builders II & II and Monsters 3, it's kind of worrying the fact that the DQ III remake is taking so long, or that there hasn't been an Itadaki/Fortune Street game for the Switch, especailly with the popularity of Mario Party and Momotaru Dentetsu
"this is one of the most expensive projects in the history of gaming"
"let's make it an exclusive, that'll help us with the fiscal report"
-some guy at square, apparently.
We need Marvel vs Square Enix.
Cloud vs Hulk and Tifa vs Rogue. Let's go.
Vincent vs Deadpool , Sephirot vs Dr. Doom,
What about characters that aren't from Final Fantasy VII?
Clive vs Thor
@pablocasas5906 You're in a Maximilian Dood comment section, these don't exist in their brains.
Square Enix owners will never be satisfied with the sales numbers. I can assure you even with the PlayStation exclusive deal the sales number is quite high (IMO around 5-8 million copies) but greed has no bounds. If They are so desperate for sales then They should release their flagship titles like FF16 and FF7 Rebirth to other platforms such as Windows, Xbox and even Nintendo as soon as They can deliver. They publish very popular franchises so sales aren't an issue.
1 - splitting the game in three parts was always going to be risky
2 - PS5 exclusive
3 - some story decisions at the end of Part 1 made some fans lose interest
I dont think Part 3 will be cancelled or anything like that, but expect the budget to be A LOT lower, and the story to play a lot safer and closer to the OG...is not only that Rebirth lost money, it is also that Square Enix put ALL their hopes in this game after all the money they have been bleeding for the past few years (including FFXVI), I dont think Rebirth is "in trouble", the whole company is "in trouble" unless they start making things differently.
Money has been tight for many people these last few years. PS5's are still floating around $500. Games are releasing at $60-70 for the base version and well over $100 for the super-ultra platinum edition with ingame glamour gear. Many people cannot afford to buy more than a couple games a year these days. I was lucky I could afford to buy a PS5 just to play Rebirth and a few other games like FF16, GoW Ragnorak, and Horizon Forbidden West plus DLC expansions for 2 of those games. My controller went bad less than a year after I got it and I had to buy another $80 controller. That's nearly $1000 in video game stuff in only a year.
Qman even myself I still to this day can't get a PS5 so I still have the four like to say not everybody can get a console and most of the games that you see on the 5 is the same thing like you see on the PS4 so it's no different of what you're seeing.
I doubt that's the issue. 1000$ in a year for ANY hobby is rather normal.
They had a big boom during COVID, that was a bubble. Now people are returning to their normal routine.
Also, stuff like catering to activism and politically correctness doesn't help. Lack of competition between the companies doesn't help (competition was WAY harsher 1-2 console gens ago). And I think they generally alienated part of their audience with some unpopular design choices.
I thought this was a comment about the ps5 pro and looked at the date, it is bad
I just hope that this decision doesn’t mess up the development for ff7 part 3 and kh4. I am all for multi-platform but my god, please take their time on the development cuz I want the game to be how they wanted it.
While I want Square-Enix to take their time, I hope that the third part for the Final Fantasy VII project will arrive at least on 2027, just to coincide with the OG game's 30th anniversary
Gamepass and PSPlus have conditioned everyone not to buy games...the industry is killing itself. These subscription services kind of have to be toned down or stop, if we want our games to have a future.
Psplus doesnt have day one game, and that's a huge difference, Sony first party titles are doing great, stop being dramatic
I think it's important to point out, that in Square-Enix's latest "Financial Highlights", they said that games like FF16 and FF7 Rebirth had "solid performances". And it's also important to remember, that Hamaguchi(Rebirth's director), was promoted to an executive position within the company, one month after the game was released.
So Square-Enix is happy with Rebirth. The problem is everything else.
I felt tricked with remake. Never giving them a cent again. They marketed it as a actual remake since the ps3 tech demo and it was a sequel with time travel and kingdom hearts logic. Gas lit me for decades. I'm done with SE. Investors are right to jump ship. SE is burning money.
It's not really that confusing. In remake the whispers and the arbiter of fate were the will of the planet. The planet wanted things to remain the same because it survived but humanity was wiped out ( Refering to og ending with red with his family with no humanity in sight 500 years in the future). When the team defeated the arbiter of fate it allowed sephiroth and aerith to have more control of the whispers ( black whispers = lifestream black and white whispers = lifestream white. ) . Aerith saved zack through her will ( whispers)
Sephiroth traveled to the past through the lifestream ( the lifestream contains memories, knowledge and emotions of those past away past , present and future ) and aerith sent her memories to her past self through the lifestream.
At the end of remake sephiroth opened a portal to the spiritual form of the lifestream where the arbiter of fate was. we have seen the spiritual form of the lifestream in advent children ( cloud talking to aerith) , crisis core ( zack standing over a pool of water) and rebirth ( where sephiroth was explaining the multitude of worlds that are within the planet to cloud , where aerith was guiding zack with the follow the yellow flowers and where aerith, cloud and zack vs sephiroth )
It seems Max and a lot of people are misunderstanding about SE financial report and quickly pointed the finger at Sony + exclusivity, when SE biggest problem here is not Sony or "platform exclusivity" but their *messy management that produced low / mediocre quality games and unnecessary projects* . Like example SE spent a lot of money for NFT projects and all of them doesn't lead to anything except a big hole in their financial. Or tons of garbage mobile games that only got closed down in less than a year. Not to mention, SE sold mid AA games like The DioField Chronicle, Saga Emerald Beyond, or Star Ocean 6 at $50-60 which all of them are multiplats and failed to sold well. Even if FF XVI or Rebirth sold 100 million copies in less than 3 months, the money will not enough to cover all bad decisions or flops.
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Forgot to add, SE has great multiplat AA games like Octopath Traveler 2 or Neo TWEWY. But both games also doesn't sold that much with Octopath 2 only sold like a million copies (not sure if SE consider that as a success) and Neo TWEWY 'has underperformed our initial expectations' said ex SE President. Another problems with SE are their unrealistic target sales and no marketing for their AA games that has positive receptions.
He addressed that on his stream
@@allan9336 I didn't watch Max stream but he should include what he said on his stream in this video.
@@thepuppetmaster9284 I agree, he should've included the whole context.
Thing is, the Square Enix blunderbus strategy might not have been good for their bottom line, but it was great for those of us who love experimental Square that just does a bunch or weird and different games rather than just doing FF and DQ games.
These last 3-4 years has been like late 90’s Squaresoft in terms of output, and it’s been great. I know a lot of people are going “wHo hAvE eVeN hEArD oF tHeSe gAmEs, bRo?”, but thing is, the same thing happened when Squaresoft was pumping out games in the late 90’s, and now a lot of those games are considered classics and hidden gems. People may not appreciate it now, but in a decade or so this era will be looked back upon as another golden era for Square, and I wish more would appreciate while we had it (and actually bought the games) rather than lament that we lost it years after the fact.
We’re about to enter another mid to late 2000’s era of Square, and it’s not gonna be fun. Hope you like FF & DQ remakes and mobile games, because that’s all we’re about to be getting.
Yeah, but those games back then were actually impressive and didn't demand much in terms of visual quality so all the effort could just be focused on great gameplay while having a great presentation. Games like Chrono Cross was like GOTY for 2000 and it didn't have the production quality of its predecessor. Games like Valkyrie Elysium deserved much better. The Valkyrie series was their hidden gem before it was even a Square game, so in one hand there's these development costs, and in the other hand there's a legacy to be maintained. Today's experimental games just get the short end of the stick.
@@LostChildOfTime Their experimental games of the late 90’s got small budgets and devs times as well. None of them got even remotely close to the same budget as FF 7-10. Brave Fensher Musashi, Einhänder, Racing Lagoon, Erhgeiz, Valkyrie Profile, Bushido Blade, etc did not get even a 100th of the budget of a contemporary FF game, same as their modern equivalents like Triangle Strategy, Voice of Cards, Various Daylife, Harvestella, etc.
Visual quality is a subjective metric. And back in the 90’s, none of the games I mentioned was considered as good looking as the FF games, which were considered the graphical peak of the medium at the time (FF8, 9 and 10 especially). Same as the modern small budget games of Square vs their modern FF games. And personally, I think their modern low budget games look good for the most part, even though I’m not a fan of all their art styles (not a big HD-2D fan, and Diofield is kinda ugly). Plus people tend to care less about the graphical difference between big and small budget games nowadays than we did in the 90’s, when graphics were still rapidly improving.
Would I want their experimental games today to get bigger budgets, sure. Or at the very least bolder art direction choices that stand even with smaller budgets. But I’d rather they get low budgets and still get to exist than be axed all together.
despite what you say I find DQ somewhat ignored by them like despite all the effort for the ds remakes which later most of them got ported to mobile they haven't thought of re-porting it elsewhere along with not even giving much of a push on the newer games because they poorly market DQ in the west and infamously so, same things can be said to the new jrpgs like bravely or octopath. like it just felt like square just focused on FF and a bunch of very mainstream IPs and that's it so to me it came across as less experimental then it did prior heck i found more appeal in the games that had less attention to the ones they wanted to me to focus on. after their statement they have grabbed yoko taro back for big project to work on so honestly feel like they are focusing on their niche more and being more experimental then they have as of late
All they gotta do is release their games on PC and they'll blow up massively.
The PC ports have to be good though.
FF7 Remake literally sold only like a million on pc
I love this news. Game companies need to stop treating their audiences like sheep to fleece and start making quality products.
Sony needs to release a proper PlayStation with some backwards compatibility.
Game companies need to stop worrying about making every blade of grass look hyper-realistic and offering freakin PAYMENT PLANS and start making things worth playing.
Games survive by how fun they are to play, and even better, how fun they are to play together. This is what truly drives sales, not how pretty it looks. The graphics and depressing "mature" storyline fad was a bubble hoping to capture people that don't care about games and those people have no staying power, especially when game companies jump on the trend, flood the market and push away this demographic, which rarely finishes a game to begin with.
Ffvii has a huge fan base but yes as they age, ENIX can’t keep milking it forever. The new trilogy (remake & rebirth so far) will definitely not bring in many new fans. The main selling point of the original game is in its storytelling, which the new version lacks.
I hope they do a turn based FF game on Switch/Switch 2.
It'd be nice, but I'm not sure if S-E would make some sort of spin-off title with turn-based combat to appeal to old-school fans, the latest time they did it was with 4 Heroes of Light and since then it seems S-E prefers to make games that are Final Fantasy in name only, like Bravely Default and Octopath Traveller. I think they have a fear of diluting the FF brand by releasing a major spin-off on Nintendo consoles, it's the opposite of what Capcom did with Monster Hunter Rise
I'm a 68 y.o. gamer that has been a geek, gamer since the early 80's. I used to buy platforms just to follow FF series. That was until 7. The first thing that soured me was when the game started leaning towards storyline and drama and less with hand's on experience. The final straw was requiring Internet connection, subs, and multi players. I finally relented and purchased a PS5 this year but still play off the internet.
The exclusives were noted as a financial highlights in SEs financial report...the exclusive angle is a false narrative.
Takashi Mochizucki is known to have bad info it pains my heart to see his stuff used here of all places.
Yea this is why you shouldn't listen to gamers about most things. The online consensus right now is that the exclusivity deals are to blame, but that's a gross over simplification.
The exclusivity deals streamline development and reduce costs. The PS5 user base is basically 2x the size of the Xbox S/X user base. Would developing multi-platform FF games help ship more games? Sure. But it won't be a night and day difference. Development times will be longer and costs higher with a multi-platform strategy too.
Square overall just had a bad strategy. Releasing FF16 and Rebirth within 300 days was not brilliant, inflating sales expectations for their biggest titles to help compensate for expected losses in other units was terrible planning, and a product portfolio that needs improvement all came together to bite Square over the last year.
The next mainline FF games should sell much better as the console user bases increase over the next few years. As long as they budget the projects properly and don't compete with themselves, Square will be fine. The short term outlook will be shaky though.
@@rsoxboy Exactly thank you! And not for nothing we have the sales numbers to show Xbox users aren't buying these games (Crisis Core sold 6% total on Xbox).
3rd party deals are being villainized when in all actuality they subsidize so much development/marketing costs it fundementally changes the level of freedom the team has to create and they also get to work without the fear of collapsing if sales expectations are missed which is more of a benefit now than ever before.
So many people are either too gung-ho to call an end to exclusives without looking at the benefits it's just game+ more people=better but that's really not all there is to it and thats definitely not the crux of SEs issues they specifically note shifting focus on core IP and cancelling multiple projects.
All this info from the horses mouth and it's dismissed for tabloids that'll now be regurgitate en masse because they saw it in a Maximilian video so it MUST be legit.
@@thepews1511 I wish ppl would think more on their sales strategy and the marketing they do for games. For example I fully expect nobody knowing that the next mana game is releasing this summer. But really I think the writing was on the wall once they started selling all those AA games back to back a couple years ago for full price
Finally, someone with a brain in this comment section. It's ridiculous how people here failed to check the information themselves and go by the word of media headlines. The FF exclusives are doing well and was profit for Square.
@@rsoxboyTook the words right out of my mouth. I've posted similar comments on other videos regarding the topic but people disregard it calling me a "fanboy"
I hope FF7 - 3 does not take too long for Sony release. Come on - papa wants to know where the story goes! Good analysis Max. Time for the gaming industry to shake it like a Polaroid picture for change.
thank god max exist because evryone is just over pessimistic with Square Enix
This is what happens when you neglect the Nintendo Switch
To be honest, it's not like the Nintendo Switch could've handle FFVII Rebirth, or Remake for that matter, and Square-Enix wasn't going to make a FFVII remake tailored for the Switch. There are rumors floating around that maybe FFVII Remake Integrade will release on the Switch's successor, but we still don't know when it's going to be released and that doesn't guarantee that the same thing will happen with Rebirth and Part 3, despite Square-Enix's statement that they will pursue a multiplatform strategy they could still have an exclusivity contract with Sony in regards to the FFVII Remake project
@pablocasas5906 well the fact that they "don't want to" is the type of inflexible mindset that will lead a company to go bust. Times have changed, the same PS2 strategy isn't going to in an era where the "next gen" is looking stagnant and innovation seems to be more appealing. They could easily make a graphically impressive FF7 Remake on switch if they tried... and they would have got money for their effort...ah well
@@IntrovertMaxxing to be fair, I think the Final Fantasy VII Remake project started production when the Switch launched and back in its first years not many third-party developers had that much faith in the console, not to mention that S-E kept teasing the remake coming to PlayStation console for more than ten years and the FF series has always had a closer relationship with Sony consoles since the release of FFVII, and for better or for worse S-E has always pushed for the most cutting-edge graphics with their mainline Final Fantasy games, I don't know if it's possible for them to make a less graphically impressive game, like how Armor Project made a PS4 and 3DS version of Dragon Quest XI.
However, Square- Enix was one of the few third-parties that actually gave Nintendo a lot of support with new games like Octopath Traveller, Triangle Strategy and plenty of Dragon Quest games, and it seems they're trying to grow the Final Fantasy franchise on Nintendo systems, especially by releasing on Switch games that never came to previous Nintendo systems, like the original FFVII, VIII, IX, X, X-2 and XII. We'll see if S-E will port the rest of the FF games on the Switch 2, like the XIII Trilogy, XIV, XV, FFVII Remake and Rebirth and XVI.
@@IntrovertMaxxing I don't think Square-Enix would've made a FFVII Remake on Switch, the FFVII series has always been associated with Sony's consoles, so it made sense that they they released the games on PlayStation, especially since the idea for a remake was teased since the release of the PS3. Not to mention that, despite the fact that the Final Fantasy series has kept a presence on Nintendo consoles with the re-releases and remakes on the Game Boy Advance and DS, the games from the PSOne onwards only arrived on Nintendo consoles in the Switch era, so pehaps S-E still thinks the audience on Nintendo consoles isn't as big as on PS
Still, I think that the Switch's success hasn't changed the way some developers, especially Japanese ones, approach game development, many of them seem to have sort of sense of obligations towards Sony consoles, that's why we had cases like Senran Kagura's developer quitting his franchise due to Sony asking him to censor his games, despite Nintendo being much more lenient, how the Danganronpa developers made that Power Point presentation asking "why won't people buy a PS Vita?" instead of releasing the games on 3DS and how it took a long time for them to appear on the Switch, or how Nihon Falcom avoided publishing games for Nintendo until they were practically obligated since their games weren't selling on PS like they used to.
@@pablocasas5906 and its that obligation to Sony that is making them broke... This old guys need to bring in fresh blood. Developing games for the most popular systems is a no-brainer if you want to be successful
The day 1 PC arc is here!
hope so
Lol
Square doesn't have a choice but to support PC. As Nintendo and Microsoft insist on releasing underpowered systems that can't even match the minimum required for Helldivers 2. The GPU needs at least 4GB of VRAM to even boot the game.
@@Geats-IX I'm a PS guy but I'm almost sure that the Series X has the specs to run Helldivers 2 comfortably, the problem is the Series S
@@Geats-IXPlease lay off the drugs.
I guess this could confirm that FF7Remake will come to Switch 2 as some leaked information said that Nintendo displayed the console running FF7Remake and an enhanced version of BoTW
If the leaked specs for the Switch 2 are correct, I think the console would be able to run Final Fantasy VII Remake as well as in a PS4 Pro, but the question then rises in regards to future Square-Enix games. While I'm sure Dragon Quest XII will arrive in the next Switch, I'm not so sure about future games, especially considering how Final Fantasy games always love to push graphics to the limit
@@pablocasas5906 That's the beauty of having gameplay in 4K via DLSS in docked mode.
At the begining they said they weren't... But it seems they will do anyways beacuse of this lmao.
@@Pejelo Snorts...
I dont think its just console exclusivity as an issue, GoW, Horizon, Spiderman sell just fine and theyre exclusives
I'd say that God of War and Spider-Man are much more attractive to casual players, I know that this might be difficult to accept for many people, but many younger players, and I mean even milleanials, aren't very interested in the Final Fantasy series as a whole. I mean, FFVII came out in '97, even if the youngest people who played it during its original launch are probably in their mid-30s right now. I feel that Square hasn't done a particularly good job at introducing the FF series to younger players
@@pablocasas5906that sounds like FF has quality issue.
FF7 original didnt have issue attracting casuals.
Good games will attract casuals. It doesnt matter how complicated it is. It happened to all the nerdiest of games. Souls games appealed to casuals despite its reputation of being obtuse, elder scroll appeales to casuals despite being nerdy lore game, persona being weabo games, etc.
Stop blaming others for Square and FF's failure. FF games are simply not that well made these days, it's that simple.
Star Ocean 2 was fantastic
The reason why Playstation exclusives have been consistently such high quality over the last decade is specifically because of that cross-studio communication you reference. That was one of the huge talking points from Sony when they reworked everything between the PS3 and PS4, getting their studios to work together instead of treating them all separately.
Sony hasn't had a first party exclusive worth mentioning in years. Bloodborne was the last good one, it's been turd person hallway simulators and boring open world trash like Last of Us, Horizon, and GoW ever since.
They’re stil pretty profitable, the way people act like they are you’d think they’d be massively in debt
The problem with capitalism is that companies HAVE to grow contantly. If they reach market saturation and their growth stops, it's VERY BAD financially.
It means they either solve it, have to sell the company, or they willingly decide to shrink, cutting costs, and restart being a much smaller company, to then try grow again.
@@Shendue Though Western companies seem to be especially susceptible to this. Eastern globe companies are also privy to these rules yes. But they seem slightly more resilient and suborn in how long they give themselves to weather the storm.
I wouldnt be surprised if Rebirth didnt hit the expactations because Rebirth was pretty bad actually, such a disapointment after the great Remake
I respectfully don't agree with u . They did an amazing job with this game.
I feel remake sales helped alot because of the pandemic because alot of people were at home
@@spiderhulk26 Its not the question anymore of Rebirth is good or bad, we are way beyond that. The actual question is, if FF7 Rebirth is the worst game ever made actually. Thats how bad it is
@@Alex-Omega how is it considered to be the worst game ever made ?
@@Alex-Omega there is alot of really good games people will have different opinions on is it bad or good game . And to alot of people rebirth is considered to be a really good game
@@Alex-Omega I only really heard this question from u .
You know things are bad when even Maximilian Dood is talking about this. As a highly-competitive gamer who plays Kingdom Hearts games on Proud/Critical Mode Level 1 and a man with integrity, I love seeing these AAA gaming companies burn to the ground before our very eyes. I tried so hard to warn so many people, but they would not listen and told me that I was wrong or told me that I was a bad person. I hate to say I told them all so, but I told them all so.
Not gonna lie as a Kingdom Hearts fan, all my friends were estatic hearing that the entire series was coming to PC … until they learned that Epic Games basically got the full exclusive rights to it. Square said “Steam sales be damned” despite just how large Steam is, they would make so much money if they just stopped exclusivity
And looking back this has been a continuous problem for Square throughout Kingdom Heart’s entire life cycle. We went from PS2, to Game Boy, to DS, to PSP, to 3DS, and then eventually to the very end of the PS3-PS4 when the bundles started to officially come out
Anyone notice the Akuma logo behind Max? It seems the legendary dood is saying square enix is about to feel the Assassin fist of the raging demon.
He and other FGC content creators like Sajam got it in the mail.
Nah. Nintendo teams share what they learn with each other. It's why Nintendo has Monolith Soft help a lot of their development while also having Monolith Soft work on their game..
If you've read any of the Iwata Asks interviews it becomes clear just how much Nintendo values the sharing of knowledge and how much of that knowledge is institutionalized. Many employees have commented on how working at Nintendo instills a certain philosophy about game making, so knowledge is being shared on both the technical and creative fronts. Nintendo's president highlighted the importance of this as recently as their latest shareholders meeting.
@escargoat8552 that's fantastic, I wonder if they will go in depth about the physics systems they made for tears 😂. It was amazing
Well they should start sharing info with Gamefreak so that they stop putting out garbage
As someone who platinumed Forspoken, Star Ocean & Diofield Chronicle, as well as trying Babylon’s Fall, Valkyrie Elysium and Foamstars: I actually think Square Enix received far too much unfair bad faith criticism for their games.
I feel like they release a decent although unremarkable 6 out of 10 game and people leap on them like vultures claiming they’re the worst games of the year. Their reputation almost worked against them, as people expected so much more. Yet if another dev released some of these games, they’d be in the very positive ratings for reviews and people would find enjoyment in them.
This might discredit anything I just said, but it was even the same for Metal Gear Survive. Again I did 100% on it, and it was actually a very competent and polished survival game, yet it got scathing reviews due to the circumstances of its publisher.
konami screwed over kojima and turned MG into a survival action game, rightfully, people were pissed that the guy who created the series got the boot, and we got death stranding because of that
all the other stuff is just ''go woke, go broke/DEI/libtards'' reactionary vitriol, set out to tank a game before it even releases a gameplay video, not actually reviewing the game, but driving a narrative based on what is effecitvely conspiracy theories about replacing white or straight protags with people of colour, reeks of bigoted purism
@@knuckles543if this was just empty hate, why did a lot of these games like forspoken, tank so hard? Can't people think for themselves and choose to play them anyway? It seems like the game was honestly bad because even the ones like you who say these critiques aren't deserved couldn't save the game from failure...
@@knuckles543 And forcing activism on all gamers isn't bigoted purism? Conspiracy theories my butt. There are literally consulting agencies like Sweet Baby Inc. that do nothing but work on games to ensure "inclusivity". Square literally built an internal department to check on their work to ensure it fits modern western sensibilities.
Conspiracies aren't real. They are unsubstantied fantasies. It's hardly a fantasy when it's a documented fact.
The fact you personally don't care either way, or agree with them, doesn't mean your views necessarily align with the vast majority of gamers.
A large part of gamers dislike censorship on a matter of principle and think ideological activism in games is out of place. Deal with it.
@@AurumfaeI'd say Forspoken is more of a mid game, unfortunately tainted by the internet (particularly culture warriors) dunking on it (maybe deservedly?), so it gets way more unfair a hate than they deserved
Mid games nowadays, in my view, can't just be mediocre or meh on its own anymore, there has to be a culture war lens applied to it because it's political when a mid game decides to have non-white protags in it or smth
Yoshi-p is probably wondering when the Square Enix board is going to pick up their end of the financial couch.
Part 3 isn’t in trouble. The developers already said it was done and the only thing they’re doing is voiceover. They even said it might release sooner than expected 2-3 years. If Square Enix gives the middle finger to Sony, it’ll be after part 3. The developers are really hyped about the last part. Square Enix might release a package for all three games if Nintendo ever gets powerful enough and if Microsoft is still here. Square Enix in my opinion didn’t lose money off this one game. It was them working on other worthless projects. People kept telling them to remake FF7, FF8 and FF9. They released some bullshyt until FF16 and Remake. FF15 was garbage. Stranger of Paradise was garbage. Valkyrie wasn’t too impressive. They kept releasing games instead of the ones gamers wanted.
I Just want a HD-2D final fantasy 6
I think Max is a little delusional regarding Rebirth's sales performance. The game is underperforming sadly but clearly
It is definitely underperforming but the sales are good enough to the point where they aren't going to touch their AAA titles since they're the only things keeping them revenue positive. Both things can be true at once!
FF7 Ever Crisis mistake was making it exclusive to cellphones
Unbelivable right? They doing Stuff about Gleen who is impotent for a PS5 Game for a Mobile Game but not for PS5.
I mean... What?😂
Ummmm guys ever crisis is free on steam
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No PC.
+ Still stupid because the Story is based on the PS5 Games.
The point is if being on PC at the time it came out did nothing for it because console gamers don't rock with PC like that, it's usually one of the other units you got that kind of money.
2 by it being cell phone focused out heavily limited is market share when it comes to people who care about ff7
No, it's not. If Nomura, Nojima and Kitase want to make a Final Fantasy game, they make a Final Fantasy game.
End exclusivity. It's not good enough in modern times. It's harder to sell a strategy RPG than to sell Mario
I remember when max said that the lower sales of ff7rebirth didnt matter because of the exclusivity money, but the game underperformed so bad that it did matter in the end. The problem with max and his fanboy glasses is that he likes the game so much that he and some of his community (and the echo chamber people) think that this is the best game ever made, but thats true just for a group of people, for the rest is just another solid game. A lot of people that played remake didnt like that it wasnt a real remake but a new convoluted feverdream story from nomura with multiverses and time travels, divided on 3 parts because greed, and that shows in the big drop of players from remake to rebirth. Exclusivity just made this worse, but it is not the main cause, you can see that other sony exclusives like stellar blade did better than ff, is just that in the eyes of the fans ff7 is way bigger than it really is. I still think that if they made a real ff7 remake with this level of quality, without all the dementor bs and not dividing in 3 parts, just a perfect one video game, it would have been one of the best games of the last years, but doing 3 parts and 30 spin off gives more money, right?
There is no conceivable way to make FF7 into a single game at the level of quality Remake/Rebirth have established without cutting an immense amount of content. Nojima, Hamaguchi and Nomura have said multiple times they didn't want to cut any story, characters, or locations from the original game. That meant, by default, it would be a massively expensive project in development for a very long time. In order to fund the project to completion, they needed to split it into 3 games in order to be able to recoup costs and keep going. This is a passion project, not a money grab. If anything, it's a money PIT for them. The attention to detail in Rebirth especially-the amount of effort clearly poured into every element of the game (beyond even fan expectations)-is not the work of obligation.
@@numinous_ashes They could easily cut out all the bland empty hallways and "kill 5 rats" filler quests, as well as unnecessary nonsense like the 3-4 hours long Hojo lab filler at the end of part 1 and crap like that.
Remake is full of nonsense that just pads the game out and wastes time, there was no benefit to making the Train Graveyard a full dungeon with two boss fights, or having two bike sections and making them long and tedious, it was all just padding to make Midgar into a 40 hour game. They could have easily remade FFVII on a single disc, but they wanted to try to milk as much money as possible from it by stretching the game out into multiple parts.
Remake was the most disappointing game I have ever played, I had even taken a week off of work to binge it. I called that part 2 would perform much worse compared to Remake because I knew that I'm far from the only one scorned by it, and so it has been great for me to see things play out exactly as I imagined. I'll laugh and clap if part 3 were to even get cancelled.
@@NintendoFan7141 Your comment demonstrates a lot of naivete about how game development works. Remake and Rebirth’s main story quests alone = crazy expensive and time-consuming to create (think about it: this shit looks better than Advent Children, and it’s playable). It would have been prohibitively expensive to develop the entire main story’s scenarios, boss fights and cut scenes for a single game. Never would have gotten made.
But of course, gamers complain about paying $70 for a 30 hour game. So they added as much side content as they could manage on top of that to make each individual game a fuller experience.
But people complain about that, too, because gamers are the most entitled group of asscakes on the planet.
@@numinous_ashes Why cant they? 13 was a complete game, 16 was complete on release and even got a demand for DLC. 12 was complete 10 was complete. 7 has no excuse. ESPECIALLY part 2. Rebirth just has a shitload of fluff dude. It could've been structured like FF10 with zones you just traveled back to with an airship menu it does not need all the pointless towers and shit. I like remake and rebirth but theres not much of a reason for a lot of the filler shit.
Do not try to argue with these people, they are just hating to hate.@@numinous_ashes
They throw stuff on Xbox I'll buy it, already planning on double dipping on Octopath II when it drops and if the current two FF7R's drop and we gotta wait for part 3 on Xbox that'd be fine and it'd lemme catch up. Mind you there may not be many people on Xbox clammoring like I am to show support but we are here and want to show our love for the franchise too.
why didn't you buy a PS5 its the same price unless you want the series S
Pretty sure most of the games they cancelled were NFT infested live service garbage.
After my game of the year Final Fantasy 7 rebirth and that cliffhanger they better not cancel part 3.
The problem here is not the exclusivity of a couple of games (which are paid by Sony) but the fact that young players do not know what Final Fantasy is ,because Square Enix has been killing the franchise for many years...
Max is the only youtuber and journalist that actually read the earnings report and understood it... FF is not in jeopardy and sales of it aren't rhe direct reason for Squares shift. While the exclusivity doesn't help, the biggest issues are all the smaller games not selling at all as well their bloated mobile game side that is filled with failures
4:23 THIS IS FACTUALLY INCORRECT. Stop bringing Nintendo into this. They are making Scrooge McDuck money and have a system that will outsell the PS2. Nintendo moves their teams around. Some people who worked on BOTW worked on Mario Wonder. Retro Studios worked on Mario kart 7. If you dont know 💩 about Nintendo, STFU about them.
Square Enix does not sell well because their games suck.
Now without the hyperbole, I do not doubt that platform exclusivity hurts them, but, I think the reason is quality. Modern square enix games do not come up a lot in my age group (mid 20s), and when they do, it is usually a negative connotation (with the exception of XIV). As someone who always wanted to play FF7, every new thing I see about the re series is making me lose interest in it. They are obviously making the old fans happy, but nothing about the games they have been releasing looks exciting to an outsider.
Funny thing is there’s a strong fan base for mainline Final Fantasy, they could probably do a cheaper more basic jrpg/anime game of FF17 and make it available on all platforms - and it would sell like crazy AND be cheaper to develop.
Create a thriving world, good characters and story and it’s enough 👍🏻
I feel that the mainline Final Fantasy developers are tied to the idea that all major FF games must have the best graphics that the hardware they work with can offer and due to the already almost 30 years that they have been with the PlayStation as the main platform makes the idea of making a new game with less impressive graphics that can adjust to the hardware of less powerful consoles like the future Switch's succesor very unlikely to happen. It's not like with the developers at Armor Project of the Dragon Quest saga releasing their games on the most popular console in Japan, that how games like DQIX and DQX were released on the DS and Wii, and why they made a version of DQXI for the 3DS
You also have to keep in mind that FF7 has a long term selling point too. Eventually Part 3 will be released and then a year down the road they will rerelease the ENTIRE game as a massive trilogy package which is even more money. So I doubt they are worried about 7 at all. Not to mention they will likely do something with the original game/AC and DoG and probably push another game beyond those.
I find it weird bc Kingdom Hearts is like Squares only game that went multiple platform before any of this was this maybe bc Disney said fuck you we want as much money as possible and that means selling the games on all platforms. I know PC and switch were much later but it came out on Xbox and PlayStation same time
Star ocean the second story r was very successful commercially and critically! It was brilliant! And FF7 Part 3 isn't in trouble at all, they are resetting the company so its dipping before rising again, also DQ12 is literally what they need since its their biggest rpg in Japan and it will do numbers! That game need to be on all platforms and it will sell A LOT!
I feel like this good news. Getting away from the PlayStation makes sales meet expectations although the expectations are extremely high.
So what is saying is that FF will still be on PS, but also in other consoles? If so, thats a good thing because even tho I am a PS player, I can agree in a case like this.
I don’t want people to lose their jobs, but I wish SE is forced to change management or sell their IPs. That way maybe some developer that really loves OG FF7 can give us the faithful remake that the game deserves.
I feel many people are waiting until part three to buy them all and olay them straight through. If you wanted hige profit you pull the last game as two year exclusive. We have seen this is 96, SQUARE made 7 with the hope that it wilould give them a revival.... We are here again... Our reunion
FF 7 is fine...is all the other better and cheaper JRPG that are in danger, i swear if we dont get a Octopath Traveler 3...😢😢😢
I heard rumours about Bravely Default 3, which is done by the same team that does Octopath Traveler, so maybe there is hope. Octopath Traveler 2 was my GOTY.
@@SolonGamingI only want OG Bravely Default Remake. Bravely Default II was so... mid.
I really hope Bravely Default 3 is still coming! While I am not great at them I still find them fun to play.
Idk about it being better than FF7, but Octopath Traveler definitely deserves to keep being made. It's one of those games that is great all around with very few actual flaws, which you don't see very often from smaller titles (and major titles nowadays...)
@@juanhurtado7244 Why would you want a remake already? The franchise only started. Let's see how they handle the third game.
It's not in trouble, square just need to release their games on all platforms
The breadwinner ain't FF7, it's FFXIV... that game is almost single-handedly keeping the rest of the company afloat. I mean it's not like FF7 didn't help, but notice that FFXIV isn't on that failed expectations list...
Imagine how big Final Fantasy would be if it wasn't a PlayStation exclusive for such a long time. Imagine if they reached the Nintendo, Xbox and PC audience when it mattered. I was too young for the SNES FF games, but i would've been in the perfect age group for FF7, but i was always on Nintendo consoles and PC, as a result i just don't care about Final Fantasy, and i bet I'm not the only one.
I tried getting into 7 and 10 just before the release of 7 remake and just couldn't enjoy it. FF14 was okay, but i could not care about the story at all. IMAGINE if kingdom hearts was released on gamecube, it would've been a perfect game for nintendo players.
Part of this issue boils down to whether the sales are bad or whether the projections and expectations set by Square Enix were poor.
Projecting 1m but selling 3m is very different from projecting 10m and selling 3m. It’s likely they set the budget in advance to create the game they wanted rather than based on expected sales, and hyped the game up and just hope it hit their cost + % to cover projections.
It’s really frustrating how short-sighted the games industry is. A pragmatic look at Rebirth would show that:
1. Remake released during the pandemic boom, so expect lower sales as a result of this.
2. As a story based sequel, you have to expect lower sales because with the exception of an extremely small minority, noone is going to play Rebirth without playing Remake and not everyone who played Remake will want to play Rebirth, some who tried Remake but just didn’t like it, and some who want to but it isn’t released on a platform they have.
3. Remake sold 7m as of the end of 2023, across PC, PS4 and PS5. PC and PS4 have a combined install base of over 250m. PS4 alone was around 117m. This is a PS5 exclusive which has an install base of roughly 55m, less than half of PS4 alone and 1/5th of PS4 and PC combined. I’d expect Rebirth and XVI to sell more when the PC port is released.
The games themselves sold well for what they are, but you’re never going to have the mass market appeal of a PS5 exclusive like Spiderman, or the pure sales of a multi-platform FPS game like Helldivers 2.
That being said, the issue seems to be twofold:
1. Not making accurate projections of their successful games.
2. Poor management of other projects leading to higher expenses which not only hurt revenue because it’s a sunk cost on a game that won’t see any sales, but it hampers profits because of the money spent on these cancelled projects.
Im so tired of the whole doom and gloom narrative media/haters jump on everytime SE fails with something. Great reviews/shit sales? Haters rejoice and start cooking up drama and using it for ammunition as for their grievances. Great sales/shit review scores? You get people hammering the game like its their second job also.
Am I the only one thats exhausted by this creepy ‘fanbase’ that seemingly doesnt seem to enjoy the current games yet go out of their way to own people that do? Stalking the company and the IP. Its so weird. No other community does this.
It feels like you cant actively love these titles and anticipate the best possible version of the upcomming games. Because there’s always drama and fearmongering. Fueled by the same people and media playing into their eager clicks.
But would the industry really be better off without FF and just more CoD/Spiderman etc? Would FF7R Part 3 really preferably suffer a massive budget cut just because one didnt get their turn based gameplay or had the exact 1:1 game remade from OG. I feel like allot of people literally dont buy these games for petty reasons. They cant even look the other way. Its mere existance upsets them and their enjoyment of two decades old games. So it has to suck/fail or preferably canned. How old are these people deep inside?
My thoughts exactly. Older ff fans are so miserable that it seriously affects the public perception of the games
@@Storm1Trooper5 Seriously I thought it was just in my head and I couldn't describe the sentiment I felt. But you said it. They are actively affecting the perception of these games to atleast some degree. It's creepy.
I'm not sure what they wish to accomplish other than childish revenge and validation. The Remakes were always set in stone from the moment the first part was released in 2020. And while mainline new entries can always experiment. It will never go back to turn based and/or fit the image of their idealized FF from the 90s.
I really hope the public sentiment turns against these people and the negativity they bring to the table. It's one thing to be critical. It's another thing to still be stalking the franchise years after you were turned off by it. It's toxic and people should react to it as such at this point.
Dont worry the people who defend the modern video game industry outnumber anyone with a brain, people will defend their brands/multi billionaire companies to the death, zoomers have been trained very well to do this thanks to social media.
FF7-3 rebirthed remaking reimagined: you will (Not) stop milking, is not in danger neither are the old business men making millions from it.
Its definitely these miserable people who follow SE with like fanatic hatred of them no matter what. If 16 is mentioned the crowd of frothing morons who act like its the worst game ever made is insane while if FF7 has its purist hatred crowd ONTOP of its rabid defenders who act like the game is perfect. No matter what SE has this aura of annoying fucks.
@@slifer875 Oh thank god man!
At this point they’re committed, finish the finale to the remake and focus on FF17 or another big project. They need to stop worrying about over making money and focus on making the best game they can. Hopefully the multi-platform idea not only gives them more revenue, but brings more eyes to their series. Tons of people have been saying “FF16 looks cool, oh I like that fat moogle in Rebirth” but they don’t own a PS5 for financial reasons or they aren’t committed to buy a whole other console for a single game. It’s not like back in the day where GOW3 was a PS3 seller. Companies need to understand console wars are dead, people play on their Apple Watches these days, not just one device lol. Just make everything on anything and end the exclusivity already. Except Nintendo, they can do their own thing…
The Star Ocean 2 remake doesn’t belong in the list of those other games. It was amazing, made with lots of love and sold great
The only problem with releasing multi is that the quality usually goes down. I hope that doesn't happen and Sony can foot the bill.
Sony made games in Australia $125 AUD. When the companies did their $10 USD rise from $60 to $70 in USA, Sony in Australia went fucking crazy and put them up to $125 here.