Let's Talk About Rebirth's Ending | Theories & Ultimania Details *SPOILERS*

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  • @SpellboundTutor
    @SpellboundTutor หลายเดือนก่อน +865

    Schrodinger's Flower Girl is gonna drive discourse for MONTHS.

    • @flameroad123
      @flameroad123 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      Is she alive? Is she dead? We don’t know? We saw her alive but we saw her dead too. Maybe if we put a flower in a box, maybe everything will solve itself....right?

    • @1999bazz
      @1999bazz หลายเดือนก่อน +55

      ​@@flameroad123 It kind of already is confirmed. Max didn't cover it but there's an interview with Nojima in the new ultimania where he says that he knows fans wanted Aerith to live, but the main story will still follow the original.

    • @zekiel2533
      @zekiel2533 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Schrodinger aerith. If shes alive then she's also dead and if shes dead then shes alive 😂

    • @shatterpointgaming215
      @shatterpointgaming215 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Aerith by definition is alive. Not to mention there are a few of them. Aerith persists in the lifestream and through several other Aeriths lol

    • @Vipus2501
      @Vipus2501 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Was it really worth ruining such an important moment of the story for this, thought?

  • @AceTheBatHound99
    @AceTheBatHound99 หลายเดือนก่อน +302

    Johnny is holding a Stamp plushie variant when Zack sitting outside at the church

    • @RangerMcFriendly
      @RangerMcFriendly หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Bro! You’re right! You answered that question for me.

    • @drbonehead
      @drbonehead หลายเดือนก่อน +39

      He is! But we don't know if that one counts as the church that Zack appears in at in the end. That one is still up in the air I think.

    • @riddif
      @riddif หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      ​@@drboneheadyup thats why you cant spot any stamp. Its deliberately to make speculation

    • @Dimchek970
      @Dimchek970 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I feel like the devs throwing so many Stamps at the end was them just saying it doesn't actually matter

    • @raven-19x
      @raven-19x หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@Dimchek970none of these plot ghosts/multiverse mattering by the end of part 3 will be maddening.

  • @GomerJ
    @GomerJ หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    The separation anxiety was real man, I feel you. There was a good week where I just could not figure out what to play after finishing Rebirth, even though I had stuff lined up that I wanted to start or go back to. My brain couldn't move on though. Definitely similar to Elden Ring in that way, as you said.

  • @m0002856
    @m0002856 หลายเดือนก่อน +129

    One thing about Tifa’s flashes that I thought about after reading the Ultimania tweets was that they were trying to hint at Cloud’s inability to cope with Aerith’s death and the denial of it.
    What I think happens with Tifa is that, when she first comes across the scene, her mind ALSO tries to repress or deny what she is seeing, but she ultimately accepts reality.
    So I think it’s her mind flashing back and forth between, “No way… is she…? no, she can’t be… oh god, she’s…”
    And that’s used to hint at what is happening with Cloud.

    • @Peter-qq3io
      @Peter-qq3io หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Tifa’s flashes. Thought you meant something else…

    • @GameshinbunTV
      @GameshinbunTV หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Red xiii feels her when she puts her hand on his shoulder...

    • @614showtime
      @614showtime หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@GameshinbunTVbecause her and red are connected, Hojo locked both of them up in the past. Red talked to Aerith about losing their memories from the whispers, and she is also the first one to bring out his child voice.
      Red and Aerirh are connected,

    • @kneau
      @kneau หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@GameshinbunTV we know Red can be deceived in this specific way. Besides, the real Aerith was communicating via flower

    • @thebrigade7684
      @thebrigade7684 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If we are to assume that's directly her perspective of seeing two different things and not a she sees her bloody body and Cloud's reality is that she's alive and there's no blood then sure though then each party member would feel the same and they show their face as well with similar reaction

  • @beastslayer8729
    @beastslayer8729 หลายเดือนก่อน +540

    I'm still waiting for that "Max reacts to FF7 Rebirth music" compilation. I expect a solid 10 hours of music reactions. 🤣

    • @SolFlaira
      @SolFlaira หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      It's up on twitch on one of his vods, big highlight was the Gus theme haha

    • @kei7540
      @kei7540 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Probably can't upload because square might strike we'll see tho

    • @beastslayer8729
      @beastslayer8729 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@SolFlaira Oh, not that. I watched most of that stream live. I want a complication of Max reacting to the music during his playthrough of the game. Someone mentioned it during a live stream a while back and I think it's a great idea.

    • @dpturkey4
      @dpturkey4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      The song for the dog quest was hot 🔥

    • @CosmicAlgae
      @CosmicAlgae หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@SolFlaira Loved it when Max discovered what it's like to listen thru headphones 😂

  • @marcorocha88
    @marcorocha88 หลายเดือนก่อน +268

    Legitimately depressed after finishing Rebirth. I am in the 8th alternate universe, right now.

    • @robertjones3489
      @robertjones3489 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      By the Gospel of Doom...
      Trolls when Cloud sees Seph: "He's alive."
      Trolls when Cloud sees Aerith: "She's dead. He's imagining her out of denial."
      Trolls when Zack is alive yet again: "..."
      Look at those daisies in Aerith's inn rooms, next to her Reunion flowers in the ending. Look at those portraits of rabbits and TELL ME DOOMGUY HIMSELF DIDN'T SAVE AERITH. This is a game which has hippies who admit they don't know everything. If METAL isn't in you, then you cannot comprehend these greater things.

    • @andimari9194
      @andimari9194 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@robertjones3489uh….

    • @brandonbulthuis2740
      @brandonbulthuis2740 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@robertjones3489 this is one of the funniest things I've ever read

    • @VoDkAvi
      @VoDkAvi หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I felt it when he said it absorbed my whole ass life. There were times I felt like I was Cloud. We are all just puppets

    • @robertjones3489
      @robertjones3489 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@brandonbulthuis2740
      3/3/2020 - FF7 Remake original release date
      3/20/2020 - Doom Eternal release date
      Aerith held her hands like RIP AND TEAR when she said "rip em off" to Corneo.
      Evenly spaced RED RUNES in the black materia chamber. Cloud puts that materia in his GIANT SWORD.
      RED RUNES. GIANT SWORD. CRUCIBLE.
      The streets will flow with the blood of the nonbelievers!

  • @cheezusdood
    @cheezusdood หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Square Enix is making those old-school "Aerith Lives" rumors canon. Which one? ALL OF THEM! Even the debug menu... especially the debug menu.

  • @MrNighNight
    @MrNighNight หลายเดือนก่อน +148

    One of the things I adore about how they decided to depict Sephiroth in this new project is that... OG Sephiroth was this menacing threat, and yes, there was a mystery to him, and he didn't show up often. Lots of people argue this, and even though I understand their point of view, I think that this new take brings a new perspective, as in: if newcomers just get to know Sephiroth by playing Remake for the first time, they see this complete maniac that keeps harassing Cloud all the time, an interdimensional being that can literally stop time like he did in the beginning of Remake when he touches Aerith's shoulder, manipulate visions, and has the capacity of literally interfere with fate, control arbiters, change events, etc, and THEN... we see him as a seemingly regular first class SOLDIER in Rebirth's Nibelheim flashback. So new players could start pondering like... "How did this 'regular' guy, a strong SOLDIER, but still, become that being with such a boundless power?" That's why this new appeal is so interesting to me. Is a new form of mystery done correctly, in my opinion, to a character that is more powerful and intriguing than he ever was.

    • @Shindenize
      @Shindenize หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      What I really love about Rebirth is how the "hero" Sephiroth was depicted vastly different with the "villain" Sephiroth in terms of disposition. While I love the OG, I feel that it really didn't completely depict how chill and calm of a dude the hero Sephiroth is. Like even Crisis Core didn't depict this much.

    • @Silverfish-qv8ig
      @Silverfish-qv8ig หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The only threat this new Sephiroth seems to bring is the very real danger of using the wrong pronouns.

    • @93BossRoss
      @93BossRoss หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hell yeah, just like going from the OG to Crisis Core!

    • @ne0space
      @ne0space หลายเดือนก่อน

      Crazy how you wrote one sentence

    • @Nik-wj6zv
      @Nik-wj6zv หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think both the OG and Crisis Core showed us a sympathetic side of Sephiroth. The way he respected Ghast and chided Hojo showed us at once a good judge of character as well as laudable values to base that judgement on.
      The way he lamented his own past softly, thinking about not having a hometown... the obvious pain he felt when he realized his mother's name was nothing more than an experiment.
      In the OG, you even got to go through phases of misunderstanding with Sephiroth, where he thought he was an ancient, and where, seemingly all along, he believed he was created and never learned about his true mother, Lucrecia. The fact that he never knew is another point of sympathy towards him, because it was this sort of redeeming fact, the silver lining on the clouds, and he never got to know about it, but the player did.
      In the new telling, he has such broad awareness of everything right down to the mechanics of time and space and the nature of reality itself, that it's hard to believe he doesn't know who his real mother was, or that she lives in eternal atonement for not getting to hold him as a baby and save him from his fate, that she loved him and wanted him. It's hard to think that this practically omniscient Sephiroth doesn't know, and it makes him actually a little less sympathetic than the OG representation imo.
      What's more, I think in the new telling they're trying to show us a parallel between him and Cloud. Cloud, from the OG you may recall, didn't hang out with the usual crowd that played with Tifa; he thought they were stupid, he thought he was special and better than them. Later, with the memory, physique and abilities of a SOLDIER: First Class, he's confronted with inconsistencies in his origin that are hard to answer for, and seemingly the truth is that he was created as a clone-puppet of Sephiroth; that he has a monstrous origin and isn't even a real person.
      Thus Sephiroth tells him to burn his world to the ground, "Just as I did;" for this is all very much like Sephiroth's story, knowing that he was special only to find horror in his origin, lose his shit, and exact bottomless vengeance on the world and everything in it, in retaliation.

  • @TotallyNotSeba
    @TotallyNotSeba หลายเดือนก่อน +183

    I think Sephiroth forged the ultimate black materia by harvesting the despair of multiple dying timeliness, that's why it showed up in Clouds pocket at the end, and the transparent materia will work as a vessel for a new white materia when Cloud regains his consciousness, that's why Aerith always says "take care of yourself". And the alternate dying scene was a plan by Aerith to cripple the ultimate black materia, now it's flawed, as flawed as my theory. Thanks for attending my TED talk.
    Edit: just wanted to note, that's why they included and added the Lore of the Gi, to show the mechanics of the black materia or materia forging.

    • @M0rD0l
      @M0rD0l หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Why do they need another white materia when they already have one? I think the empty materia will somehow be needed for the Gi quest.

    • @TotallyNotSeba
      @TotallyNotSeba หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@M0rD0l because the white materia they already have casts Holy, while they might be attempting to forge something else. The black materia Sephiroth has crafter after Aerith's death we assume it's the black materia that casts meteor, but in "my theory" I think it's meant to do something else entirely.
      Also, Sephiroth knows that this new materia might be flawed, because not all the pain and sorrow could be harvested, and he realizes this on the last fight against Cloud and Aerith and that's why he was so upset, but when he leaves he might have seen another path to achieve a somewhat similar result, by also trying to flaw this potential new white materia, by forcing Cloud see images of a fake Aerith that forces him to take bad decisions and focus on revenge against Sephiroth, as you know, Cloud promised "Aerith" to face Sephiroth ;)

    • @LoverofTragedy
      @LoverofTragedy หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@TotallyNotSeba I definitely agree with the new Black Materia being flawed, since I really like the idea that Sephiroth, in his attempts to make Cloud feel sorrow after Aerith's dead, never actually realized how broken Cloud truly is. Cloud is so broken that he doesn't even register that Aerith died, so he unintentionally counters Sephiroth's attempts to make an ultimate black materia by being completely broken at that point, which just seems super badass.
      And in doing so, Sephiroth might potentially ruin his own plans, just like how he screwed up in the OG by killing Aerith. All of it coming full circle.

    • @jesusisgod8153
      @jesusisgod8153 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The reason why cloud has the black materia in the end is because in part 3 just like the original game he GIVES IT TO SEPH who then summons METEOR seph controls cloud one final time and takes him to the northern cave where the real seph is at who’s body is preserved by the lifestream

  • @joancruz2785
    @joancruz2785 หลายเดือนก่อน +254

    The idea of Zack's choices creating more timelines is super interesting, and I look forward to seeing what role he will play in part 3 as this "anomaly" or "variant." He's basically... at the core of this crisis.
    ...I'll see myself out.

    • @Zerorenren4761
      @Zerorenren4761 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      We can say that Zack is the Crisis Core: Reunion ™ now.

    • @saltyazteca5989
      @saltyazteca5989 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      We'll see in part 3 if this conflict can be resolved.

    • @Lunaria.Praesentia
      @Lunaria.Praesentia หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      ​@@saltyazteca5989and how often his combat mode activates!

    • @DavidiusDuck
      @DavidiusDuck หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@Lunaria.Praesentia Oh yeah!

    • @andimari9194
      @andimari9194 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Oh my god all of you need to see yourselves out LMAO

  • @Francita__C
    @Francita__C หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I agree with you on Vincent. Some of the moments I laughed more were Vincent's moments, for example when he says "cozy design" in the Haunted Hotel hahaha

  • @TheAmberBreeze
    @TheAmberBreeze หลายเดือนก่อน +70

    Why is everyone forgetting Aerith petted Red 13 in the last scene and he recognized her presence? She’s obviously there in spirit and not just in Cloud’s head. Unless Red is also crazy (he and Cloud have similar traumas).

    • @yagirlmayalazarus6713
      @yagirlmayalazarus6713 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Aerith looking like she’s standing there in person is the part in Cloud’s head but she’s a Lifestream spirit now which is why Red felt her presence. So it’s like this mixture of delusion and reality that Cloud is living in.

    • @zeroskaterz92
      @zeroskaterz92 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Because Red has always been superstitious due to his upbringing and there's also the whole Gi tribe that associated with his race.
      I'm sure Marlene would be the same too given the fact that she can sense Aerith's presence in the lifestream at the end of OG as well as in Advent Children.

    • @zero1343
      @zero1343 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      The silent Aerith that red feels definitely seems to be the dead Aerith from the lifestream thus Red can feel her presence yet not see her.
      The Aerith cloud talks to however I don't believe to be the same one.

    • @kylethompson1379
      @kylethompson1379 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Because these 'experts' are obsessed with OG to the point they are blind to key info in the actual game. Meta-tardation.

    • @AdamCYounis
      @AdamCYounis หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @cicopath The way I understand it is that Cloud now has some perception of the "fate" dimension that Sephiroth and Aerith are navigating through, via the lifestream. But cloud's perception is corrupted so many ways, that he's completely incapable of making sense of it. I think Cloud and Red both sense Aerith's spirit presence, but Cloud deludes himself into believing she's alive. The rainbow effect represents worlds diverging / converging. Any time fate is defied and a new world is created, that effect shows up.
      I think in cloud's reality he does stop masamune, and defies fate. At this point Cloud, Sephiroth and Aerith can all traverse fate, but cloud doesn't know how to "drive", so Sephiroth just insists they exist in the one where cloud fails. Cloud can't fathom this, so he just goes on believing whatever he likes.

  • @kaylee42900
    @kaylee42900 หลายเดือนก่อน +100

    The more I think about it, the more I agree with Aerith being dead dead.
    They seem to be paralleling what happened with Nibelheim. In the OG when Sephiroth tells cloud he wasn't at Nibelheim in the northern crater and Tifa confirms it completely shatters him because he knows he was there even though it wasn't as he told it. Him thinking he completely forgot the facts of losing his mom and hometown shattered him since he already knew something was wrong with him.. This could mirror that. Cloud "saves" her but sephiroth uses his power to merge in the world where she died. Everyone else sees her dead but cloud believes she is alive. Sephiroth will tell him he didn't save Aerith, Tifa will confirm it and it will shatter him. The truth will be that he saved her just not in the way people expected.

    • @homeroomwithsmoothgaming
      @homeroomwithsmoothgaming หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I like this theory

    • @beng9868
      @beng9868 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      There's that scene when cait sits reads your fortune and it's something like expectations creating disappointment, followed by something ending in a last minute twist.
      It foreshadowed the ending all along

    • @milktoast9140
      @milktoast9140 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I strongly dislike this theory for a lot of reasons, but two big ones stick out:
      First, the time between Aerith's death and Sephiroth's mind breaking gaslight is too short, presuming it will happen around the same time it does in the OG (which it basically has to for scenario reasons). Sephiroth's taunting Cloud into believing he's a clone works because it shakes Cloud's entire being; it throws who he's been from minute one of the game (and since the day he was born) into question. To shift the primary mind breaking to Aerith's being dead would be a massive lowering of stakes, referring to an event that happened a few in-game days ago at best.
      Second, the "You are not Cloud Strife" gaslight of the original vitally contributes to Cloud's arc, the mystery and intrigue that surrounds nibelheim, and the game's core theme of identity (coming to terms with oneself and ones failures). I get that this core of FFVII has been undermined by Remake for the sake of subversion and newness, but shifting the primary reason for Cloud's mind break away from his identity crisis isn't it.
      I feel like fans get so caught up theorycrafting about the mind bending alternate world shenanigans that they forget the thematic core that made the original good.

    • @scramblz5053
      @scramblz5053 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Something has to get Cloud off the crazy "reunion" train. Holy was late because Cloud gives sephiroth the black materia Cloud keeps it no meteor

    • @opmegaskill3684
      @opmegaskill3684 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@beng9868 vincent say the same thing at temple entrance. Expectations often leads to dissapoontments

  • @perunarieska9182
    @perunarieska9182 หลายเดือนก่อน +733

    The more I think about and rewatch the ending, the more I like it.

    • @AbyssalPhoenix-nf7bo
      @AbyssalPhoenix-nf7bo หลายเดือนก่อน +111

      Agree. The emotional part of her death is the date scene where she hugs cloud and tells him not to blame himself and pushs him into the portal 😢

    • @CorpoMoe
      @CorpoMoe หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      1000%

    • @RwYeAsNt
      @RwYeAsNt หลายเดือนก่อน +49

      @@maillardsbearcat That's where my head is at. I'll reserve my judgement until I see if they can stick the landing or not. I don't hate the ending, but I also don't love it. I'm okay with it and I'm interested to see where they are going with it, but it's up to them to follow through and close this story in a satisfying way.

    • @SeventhheavenDK
      @SeventhheavenDK หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      ​@@maillardsbearcat. Same here. So far I didn't like the ending too much, but I am open to being convinced of the opposite with part 3.

    • @nubbylittlecat1753
      @nubbylittlecat1753 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Same

  • @Nik-wj6zv
    @Nik-wj6zv หลายเดือนก่อน +76

    With regard to the various worlds of Zack, we should recall that there is perhaps another - the one we saw at the end of Intergrade, where Zack bursts through the doors of the Church to announce his return, only to be met with the sad crowd. That scene never happened in any of the worlds we visited so far with Zack (that we know of, anyway). It seems instead that he hobbled into town with Cloud, stowed him away with a stranger temporarily, and went on to more heroics, upon which he had already discovered Aerith, so popping through the church doors to attempt to greet her would be irrational.
    So this scene is either effectively retconned (which has not been SE's style with FF7 thus far) or it's a hanging plot element that we still don't know where it belongs in the grand scheme of things.

    • @allgaming9737
      @allgaming9737 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Also, Zack from the church scene had a clean face, while the start of Rebirth shows him dirty. Idk tho, they might have just forgotten about it, or already made the scene and couldn't change it after.

    • @ItchTAS
      @ItchTAS หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      its just another reality, there's countless, and it doesn't matter which or how many
      the fact theres multiple is all that matters, every showing of one is just a reminder

    • @Nik-wj6zv
      @Nik-wj6zv หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@allgaming9737 True, we've seen that the story writing for the next game isn't already in place at the conclusion of the current one, so maybe they just shrugged and figured it was easily written off as one of infinite worlds where things were very different from all the other ones we've seen.
      I hope that the next game sees us with a single world, that Sephiroth's reunion/worlds merge thing was the end of that.
      In a way it seems to lower the stakes and even sort of cheapen the story and characters when they're just one of an infinite number of versions of themselves. It's like oh, we lost this one, but there's an infinite number in the reserves. idk

    • @Nolzhan
      @Nolzhan หลายเดือนก่อน

      zack bursting into the church door continues directly into the scene with zack sitting on the church steps and sephiroth walks past

    • @allgaming9737
      @allgaming9737 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Nolzhan why would he burst through the door looking for Aerith when he knew she was at her mom's house with Cloud? Also, when he enters the church, there we're a bunch of people crying inside, which contradicts Rebirth where it was only Cloud and Aerith right before Sephiroth came.

  • @Asakku
    @Asakku หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Honestly im just scared that it all leads to nothing - after the first part i was super excited to see what they are going to do - then while playing the second one i was - ah ok they decided to stick to the original and just "remake" it... fine, but then change it all up right at the end without really changing it up - so right now im just scared that they just did it for the cliffhanger effect and the game will just play out normal with a little fluff at the side - which would be fine if they did it right from the start but would be super depressing for ME after the endings of part 1 and 2

    • @kylethompson1379
      @kylethompson1379 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Agreed. If they've set up all of this crazy stuff over two games, and it turns out essentially pointless and just a full-on troll for intrigue and sales, ima be pissed. I bought a PS5 just for Rebirth (it's all I'll use it for), but if they're pulling some pure marketing psych crap here with no payoff, and we end up in the same lore position with the utter crap that is advent children, SE can honestly F-O.

    • @raven-19x
      @raven-19x หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      This is where it’s leaning towards. The devs have already said it’s going to remain faithful… so yes we’re getting all this convolution for nothing.

    • @kylethompson1379
      @kylethompson1379 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@raven-19x Maybe yeh. But I just think that's lame. Advent Childen isn't very good in lore terms. They could do way better.

    • @StephenOwen
      @StephenOwen หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      There are two camps I think,
      Absolute purists who want to modern presentation of the same game or
      Those who want that but are open to change and want things to be different this time
      I’m firmly in the second camp. Time is looping and Sephiroth is trying to get his wishes by killing Clouds support network (attempting to kill Barrett and Tifa both) and constraining Aerith to a different reality
      We know this is happening because we know Red XIII and Aerith could see the future ( Red shared this in the date scene in Gold Saucer).
      If Aerith also knows and retains her memory, things can be different this time!

  • @christaggart5687
    @christaggart5687 หลายเดือนก่อน +177

    Been playing ff7 since I was 12. Blew my mind when it came out. My favorite game and I have beaten it over 10 times. So fun to hear different theories from a fellow fan.

    • @maythesciencebewithyou
      @maythesciencebewithyou หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I've also played the original way over 10 times. Every time there was a rumor that you could find a way to save Aerith. Those of you who want her to die, just play the original. I want her to survive. After making it so that remake was about fighting destiny it would suck if they went back on it and did let it play out the same. I finally want that happy ending.
      I guess the best would be if they gave the game multiple endings, the ones who want Aerith to stay dead get to play their route and those who want to change fate and get her back can take that route.

    • @joellarsson9486
      @joellarsson9486 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Who the f wants her to die?​@@maythesciencebewithyou

    • @maythesciencebewithyou
      @maythesciencebewithyou หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@joellarsson9486 All the nostalgic fans who don't want anything about the story and gameplay to change. There are some die hard fans of the original who totally hate the new games.

    • @joellarsson9486
      @joellarsson9486 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@maythesciencebewithyou yeah I guess you are right. After the trilogy they could make a whole different remake of the same game in different way and we would buy it. Many wants a classic turn based ff7 with just better graphics. But I guess there are mods for that.

    • @Ramiel1point0
      @Ramiel1point0 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Totally agree. Crossing my fingers for a happy ending 🤞​@@maythesciencebewithyou

  • @kinggoldark3853
    @kinggoldark3853 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    Not sure if someone else mentioned it, but Back to the Future II and III actually were shot consecutively. Hence Part II has tons of callforwards to Part III and there was even a mini-trailer for III that showed at the end of II.

    • @elfsong713
      @elfsong713 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That's why the 2nd Back to the Future was always my favorite. I loved all the references to the first and the third movies.

  • @thebigw1231
    @thebigw1231 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I like how Max has the Gongaga Theme in the background, its so good.

  • @deedoubs
    @deedoubs หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    None of the whole with Cloud 'rejecting' Aerith's death fits well with the part where Red XIII senses Aerith's presence. I think they are doing something elaborate and weird and it's not just "Cloud is nuts".

    • @raven-19x
      @raven-19x หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Could be a “red” herring. I’ll see myself out.

    • @CrossOutBryce
      @CrossOutBryce หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      I think it's both. Her spirit is lingering, but also he's CLEARLY in denial. Every time he tries to remember about her death, he literally gets a migraine.

    • @wildbard4112
      @wildbard4112 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I do think Aerith's presence was there but Cloud clearly does not have a good mental state.

    • @megamandrn001
      @megamandrn001 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@dolurosu Cloud rejecting her death is a lot easier if he's also able to see/interact with a parallel world where she actually is totally fine. It would even still facilitate a little "Cloud is nuts" thing because his rejection of reality isn't just in his head now, he's literally not able to seperate what realities he's seeing because they both simultaneously actually exist.

    • @SeventhheavenDK
      @SeventhheavenDK หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Because Cloud seeing Aerith is not a hallucination. It's like a ghost of sorts, like when he sees her in Advent Children, or when she appears at the end of OG FF7.
      But Cloud doesn't realize she is a ghost, he believes she is still there with them alive.

  • @cha_21
    @cha_21 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    OWHH FCKK!!!
    If the beginning of part 3 we're starting tutorial in Advent Children timeline. That's insane.
    I got goosebumps thinking about it.

    • @senatorarmstrong4662
      @senatorarmstrong4662 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      I swear to god if the fusion sword is a playable weapon and it functions like it does in the movie the other swords better be the bees knees cause if not I’m not using any other sword the whole game.

    • @cha_21
      @cha_21 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@senatorarmstrong4662 HELL YEAH BROTHER!

    • @spoonimefan
      @spoonimefan หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@senatorarmstrong4662: Highest likelihood that if it is in the game, it'll be the last obtainable one.
      And here's a wild idea: Max has been suggesting that, assuming Knights of the Round is in Part 3, we would probably have to do some multi-part Protorelic-like quest to get it complete by the endgame. What if they did that, or something like it, with the Fusion Sword? Maybe each of the swords you collect throughout the game eventually combine to form it by the end, so it can also thematically fit with the idea that everything you've been through comes together to give you the strength to win?
      (This is assuming it's intended to be cannon to the story to obtain, as opposed to an endgame/post game/hard mode only piece with some nearly game-breaking ability attached. Considering every weapon in these games comes with an ability attached, if it appears I'm doubting they would want it missable.)
      Or they do something with Gilgamesh again, but this time you have to fight him multiple times for each piece (or pieces) of the sword? And after getting the final piece Gilgamesh once again recognizes you as an/The "Ultimate Swordsman"?

    • @senatorarmstrong4662
      @senatorarmstrong4662 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@spoonimefan that would be cool like each knight you defeat gives you a part of the sword and it would be cool if they had their own play style like the twin parts have fast attacks but do little damage some thing like that.

    • @spoonimefan
      @spoonimefan หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@senatorarmstrong4662 : 🤔 Hadn't considered the *Knights* being the ones to grant the pieces, but that's not a bad idea either. And if I remember correctly, the animations for one or some of the Knights had them dual-wielding. Considering some of them appeared to use magic blasts too, and some weapons lean more toward magic than physical or balanced properties, that could work on multiple levels. Hmm ... 🤔

  • @BlackDragon9877123
    @BlackDragon9877123 หลายเดือนก่อน +132

    Airship might work like Spider-Man 2 where it’s faster to get from place to place but when you land it’s larger

    • @timogul
      @timogul หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I don't think airship is even hard. You just use lower LoD versions of the map to cover the whole thing, and then it would take at least a few seconds to land and disembark, during which it can load in the higher detail version of the world. Nobody would notice, because there would be enough detail to sell the scene while flying, it would look natural.

    • @Kean_Bean
      @Kean_Bean หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@timogulyup, could cut to in the cabin, providing a brief loading corridor for you to run out of and slide down a ladder or summit,. If even necessary at all.

    • @timogul
      @timogul หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Kean_Bean Yup, and the time it would take is a lot less than people would think, based on previous generations. Between SSD load times and Unreal 5 tech, this sort of LoD swapping is fairly minimal. It might even be possible to do in realtime, just loading in the detail right nearby first, then expanding outward from there. So long as you can't land literally on any location you want (limited to certain open fields or even radio towers), they can make sure the landing zones are not so content dense that you'd immediately notice anything happening.

    • @thatstheway2429
      @thatstheway2429 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      The thing is, lucky for us, Cid Highwind “aint most pilots”.

    • @aliciafraser1835
      @aliciafraser1835 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@timogulisn't the trilogy using unreal 4 though because the leads didn't want the team using up precious time learning a new engine?

  • @savageApostle
    @savageApostle 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I definitely think that Cloud isn't just seeing hallucinations of Sephiroth, Aerith, and the sky tear, I think he can somehow see into other realities (maybe in a similar way to how Sephiroth can seemingly move between them). That's the significance of the scene where Cloud is talking to Aerith at the end, and tells everyone not to look up at the sky. He can see into another world where Aerith lived (a reality that is collapsing like the other branched realities), but no one else can see that. And we know he can interact with things in those other worlds, swapping around the White/Clear materia, doing Synchronization attacks with Zack, etc.

    • @Kitth3n
      @Kitth3n 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I will say It is true that cloud can sometimes see things no one else can see, It happens throughout the game with Sephiroth.
      It is definitely possible he’s literally seeing this other reality but at the end of the day it’s probably still sephy fucking with him in a roundabout way

  • @xxnike0629xx
    @xxnike0629xx หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    There's a lot of big things that we're all anticipating how they'd go about doing things; things like the Highwind, the WEAPONs, Omnislash, Knights of the Round, etc.

  • @RoyKnight
    @RoyKnight หลายเดือนก่อน +82

    I’m surprised nobody brought this up anywhere yet but my interpretation of the ending scene was that Cloud DID create an alternate world where she lives but he’s stuck between them somehow in a limbo. I have a feeling we’ll see moments of Cloud seeing other things different than the party like a different stamp and Aerith will probably be able to help remotely through him as the connection point or something. Him being a link between worlds would make the Tifa moment where she rescues his mind very very interesting, probably bearing witness to more crazy shit.

    • @RoyKnight
      @RoyKnight หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      It also lends credence to him becoming more like sephiroth, because sephiroth does the exact same thing by existing in multiple worlds at once

    • @TypicallyUniqueOfficial
      @TypicallyUniqueOfficial หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      This has been my thoughts since beating the game.

    • @AkronymCLT
      @AkronymCLT หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Yeah I feel like the very ending scene in particular is very specifically constructed in a way to make us THINK that Cloud is completely crazy, but there's some inconsistencies in there that seem to indicate, at least to me, that not everything he's seeing is false. Like the most interesting way they could take it for me is to make the party, the player, and even Cloud himself think everything he's seeing is just a hallucination, just to reveal "NO WAIT THOSE PARTICULAR PARTS WERE ACTUALLY REAL THE WHOLE TIME"

    • @TheSkyrocketYT
      @TheSkyrocketYT หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I thought something similar to this. But my theory was that the REMAKE timeline IS the timeline where she was saved and the one where she did not get saved is the new timeline. I have a hunch that the REMAKE timeline is a timeline where they keep defying destiny without fail and it continues to make new timelines because of it.

    • @Enwickote
      @Enwickote หลายเดือนก่อน

      I just hope she Will be playable like the others in some points, It will be the only way to get to play with all 9 main chararcters

  • @mattc9511
    @mattc9511 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

    A rainbow can be created by splitting a beam of light through a prism. I think the intention is that the rainbow just symbolizes the splitting of the timeline from a single by and action. This is made clear by Zack’s decisions creating different timelines.

    • @andrewli6606
      @andrewli6606 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Rainbows are traditionally split as ROYGBIV, which is also 7??

    • @kneau
      @kneau หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very Lantern Corp

  • @KlCHlRO
    @KlCHlRO หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I have waited SO LONG FOR THIS VIDEOOOOOOOO AAHHHH
    So happy its finally here, I love theorizing about this game and talking/ listening to you Max and everyone else here

  • @dieter1199
    @dieter1199 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    Why is nobody talking about the fact that in Remake Part 1, when Cloud falls into the church, he is literally in this white void with yellow petals, just like Zack at the end of Rebirth where Zack touches Cloud? Additionally, in Part 1, Cloud meets another version of himself in that void who says, 'Made it through with just a couple of scraped knees back then.' This seems to imply that it might be a sequel of some sort, or that everything has already happened.

    • @yagirlmayalazarus6713
      @yagirlmayalazarus6713 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      I mean it could be an allusion to the sequel idea but it most likely is referencing the time he and Tifa fell off of Mt. Nibel as kids.

    • @rosenrot234
      @rosenrot234 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I just took it as parts of Cloud just talking to each other as he's unconscious. Sephiroth is his trauma reminder so thats why he also pops in for that all white room scene.

    • @funkyfranx
      @funkyfranx หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      The scraped knees line was in the OG, it’s a reference to him and Tifa falling off mount Nibel. Tifa was severely injured, Cloud just scraped his knees

    • @PinkSakuraBunnie
      @PinkSakuraBunnie หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That's just the real Cloud locked inside his mind talking to him, referring to the time he and Tifa fell off Mt. Nibel and he just scrapped his knees. The line was on the OG too.

  • @thejudicator1082
    @thejudicator1082 หลายเดือนก่อน +99

    Ahhhhhhhh, another hour traveling through the lifestream!

    • @phantomaigis2291
      @phantomaigis2291 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Oh my God it's sephiroth with the huge ass meteor

    • @thejudicator1082
      @thejudicator1082 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Careful now. That which lies ahead, does not yet exist.

    • @Dis2good
      @Dis2good หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      And it only took 7 seconds….

    • @thatstheway2429
      @thatstheway2429 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I hope it’s two hours lol

    • @andimari9194
      @andimari9194 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sephiroth, yo moma is so ugly, everyone thinks she looks like an eldritch abomination from space!

  • @ThisIsntClaire
    @ThisIsntClaire หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Watching this whilst hard mode last boss Sephiroth kicks my ass again.

  • @TheNFromO
    @TheNFromO หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    at around 7:44 max talks about it being a visual cue but cloud at one point at the end of date timeline, cloud asks what is this? so it can be inferred that the rainbow effect is just not a visual cue but actually occurs for cloud and co. as well.
    In regards of the date, I believe the red 13 date is the most canon date because it gives context that red/aerith could see the future before that ability got taken away and red asks cloud to save aerith from something scary happening.

  • @OutHereOnThePerimeter
    @OutHereOnThePerimeter หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Man, I relate so hard to what you said about feeling like you have to remind yourself your life exists outside the game and also to the fact that the last time you felt that was with Elden Ring.
    I feel exactly the same; most games I can just pickup for a bit and move on once finishing them but Elden Ring and this game totally consumed me and I feel like I don’t know what to do with myself after rolling credits today…which is precisely why I came to this video 😂.

    • @nimzgaz7049
      @nimzgaz7049 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I'm the same man, I. just finished game recently and feels strange. No game has ever made me feel like this. I need to get back to the reality

  • @TK-421_66
    @TK-421_66 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    It randomly occurs to me to check and see if Max has done any new FF content and here we go.

  • @Zorualex
    @Zorualex หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I felt it when you said it completely consumed your life. I would say March is a blur, but its all memories of this fantastic game.

    • @codeine_ninja
      @codeine_ninja หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      literally same here

  • @Chilloutbroski
    @Chilloutbroski หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Hahahaha max i feel you on that one i literally took a week off work ready for rebirth and when it came round to playing i had to book another week off 🤣 thankfully i had a lot of holiday left and my boss was kind enough to oblige because maaaaan rebirth took over my life for those 2 weeks !! I lost so much sleep because i was genuinely hooked !! Such an amazing experience and I can’t wait to come back later and play again in the future now that i have the platinum i can just experience the story ❤ this game is the goat !! Love hearing you talk about this franchise man because you’re the only other person i’ve seen with the same level of passion i have for the game it’s awesome bro ❤

  • @mrmr3963
    @mrmr3963 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I was the dork taking the book from the CD to school and reading about it when the game first came out lol. Everything leading up to the ending (temple of the ancients onwards) definitely subverted my expectations. It is way different, but the same. I like what they are doing with the new story. One thing I want is the post credit scene from the original at the very least. I felt that scene really wraps up why they were doing this in the first place and it is that bitter sweet conclusion I thought the original had.

  • @JoeBudson
    @JoeBudson หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    Twin Peaks fans waited 25 years for their conclusion.
    We'll be okay

    • @kR-qj7rw
      @kR-qj7rw หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Half life fans waited 13 years for advancing the story 20 seconds this is fine

  • @COOLFRIEND
    @COOLFRIEND หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    Can’t wait for part 3.

  • @thomasseymour2440
    @thomasseymour2440 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    @Maximillan Dood , The part about the sector 5 when people look up and see the rifts in the sky, I think that it is like the Doctor Strange moment in Spiderman of all the worlds come together and Aeirith is trying to close them possibly.

  • @jeremiahstenzel789
    @jeremiahstenzel789 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    I'm good with a happy ending for these characters. The OG game was about loss, the remake doesn't need to be. The remake doesn't overwrite or replace the OG. It doesn't need to have the same themes. These characters deserve life, love, and happiness. If you get the Nanaki Skywheel date, he tells Cloud that he and Aerith knew the future, but don't any longer. Cloud tells him that there isn't much point in knowing fate if you can't do anything to change it. I echo that sentiment. There is no point to any of this if it all ends up in the same place anyway. Nobody needs to die. That was the old game. Give us a happy ending. Just my opinion.

    • @Aman-ti4qu
      @Aman-ti4qu หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I feel the same way man. If they’re talking about trying to change fate, give us that. And not the, “accept you fate and move on” type of story. If the characters knew their fates, ofc they would try to change it. By not letting that happen it would be the opposite of whatever message they’re trying to give

    • @AppleJackSix
      @AppleJackSix หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Same. Why not have a happy ending? I don’t get the argument against it. It’s just as valid as any other ending they could do, and would be satisfying unless you’re one of those people where happy endings make you unhappy for some reason.

    • @kelss.5098
      @kelss.5098 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Same. Give us a happy ending. The flower girl deserves it after 27 years of pain and loss. She’s already had the theme of loss. We have already experienced it. So did our characters. Time to heal. Let us and the characters be sent off happily. I’m not saying wedding bells , but everyone happy finally.

  • @roymariogaming
    @roymariogaming หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    55 minutes, right let me get settled. Imma be right back 🍿

  • @ardiganm697
    @ardiganm697 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    I've been waiting for this video since the easy allies spoilercast.
    Thank you so much for your Love of this game, and well thought out perspective!

  • @catzel1ps452
    @catzel1ps452 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just now finished and your dead on about seperation anxiety lmao but we now have part 3 to look forward to. Thank you max. That was like 2 months of straight magic. ❤

  • @AR-id5hw
    @AR-id5hw หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I find it difficult to believe that after setting up the concept of multiple realities where different characters survive, and where they exist in a real capacity, and are able to cross over to and affect other realities, AND Sephiroth's whole deal being reuniting the worlds, as well as the fact that Seph seems to open a portal in the sky prior to the party approaching the altar, that they would suddenly say "oh no Aerith being saved was all Clouds imagination" instead of a confluence of realities that Sephiroth perhaps influenced. But who knows. If it is all a hallucination, imagine the impact of adding that scene to Cloud's Mideel lifestream sequence, where in addition to learning the reality of his past, he learns of the reality of that moment. Heartbreaking

    • @raven-19x
      @raven-19x หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That's what I'm afraid will happen. All of these fate ghosts, multiple timelines will amount to not mattering at the end of part 3. If that's the case... then why? Was it worth butchering a beloved story just to subvert expectations? I don't think so.

    • @AR-id5hw
      @AR-id5hw หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@raven-19xbutchering a beloved story? 🤨

  • @smudge5234
    @smudge5234 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    AND LO, HE BRINGTH DOWN THE THEORIES FROM ON HIGH!

  • @ThatRedHusky
    @ThatRedHusky หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I think a lot of the lifestream Aerith/Hallucination Aerith can be explained from the OG when Tifa and Cloud fall into the Lifestream in Mideel. Tifa sees and can actually interact with many different Clouds from many different times INCLUDING Zack.

  • @kingofbudokai
    @kingofbudokai หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Aerith literally CAN'T be a hallucination at the end. That is logically impossible. Because she continues to be there even after Cloud is not involved at the end when she says goodbye when no one is observing her. Something can't be a hallucination if it continues to manifest separate from the person hallucinating it. She continues to retain her conciousness and self after death just like she did in the original game. That is by far, objectively, the most correct conclusion.

    • @mmcjld08
      @mmcjld08 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I am glad someone else is bringing this up. The final scene of the game is from her perspective. She is watching them leave which isn't possible if she is just a hallucination of Cloud. She is at the very least there in spirit to say goodbye.

    • @andreseh87
      @andreseh87 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’d be great if we actually got the emotional impact of her death and her death to wasn’t garbled by multiverse shenanigans.

  • @j.s.6654
    @j.s.6654 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Still recovering from ff7 rebirth post game, post aerith depression

  • @TrickstarEX
    @TrickstarEX หลายเดือนก่อน +101

    If Zack is in our current world, I would love it if Cloud had his wheelechair moment with Zack taking the lead of the party for that brief period.

    • @stonehorn4641
      @stonehorn4641 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      I fully expect Zach will be a party member at some point next game

    • @Enwickote
      @Enwickote หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Cmon dude I know how much you Zack fans love him but that's Cid's moment and he's from the main cast and Zack is not

    • @DUES_EX
      @DUES_EX หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Well cloud is going evil….

    • @DUES_EX
      @DUES_EX หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@EnwickoteZack or nothing

    • @rosenrot234
      @rosenrot234 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@stonehorn4641 Would be kinda cool if he could pop in sometimes thru Synergy abilities

  • @chrissquarefan86
    @chrissquarefan86 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    Aerith has transcended time and space somehow.

    • @mattgee4867
      @mattgee4867 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I kind of love that evolution of this character.

    • @robertjones3489
      @robertjones3489 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Trolls when Cloud sees Seph: "He's alive."
      Trolls when Cloud sees Aerith: "She's dead. He's imagining her out of denial."
      Trolls when Zack is alive yet again: "..."
      Cloud can watch her shower without repercussions. This is a defeat to you?

    • @kounurasaka5590
      @kounurasaka5590 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      She arguably already had in Advent Children. She already still existed in the Lifestream. She's essentially the same as multiversal Sephiroth now IMO.

    • @marcpolain9663
      @marcpolain9663 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Look up what the Lifestream is, should help you understand 👍

    • @Ace20A
      @Ace20A หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@robertjones3489
      What are you even going on about?

  • @Iwasjokingg
    @Iwasjokingg หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    the break in the sky means for me that two universes have collapse, in the case of zack the main one and the one where he lives have united, however in the final scene only cloud can see the crack, because he has united the main universe and the one where Aerith is alive

    • @Iwasjokingg
      @Iwasjokingg หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      and the other can't see it because they live just in the main

  • @carpathiandevil
    @carpathiandevil หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love this video, one of my favorites youve ever made. It cleared up a few of the questions i had, because of what the developers confirmed. It also led me to other questions, the same you have. Really excited to play part 3!

  • @kephryn4471
    @kephryn4471 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    25:07 what if the big action packed opening for part 3 is actually from Sephiroth’s POV in advent children, showing him being bested by Cloud and his Fusion Sword, then showing Sephiroth traveling back in time to create Remake? I know it’s far fetched but still

    • @allgaming9737
      @allgaming9737 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That would be so cool

    • @Halo4beatsB02
      @Halo4beatsB02 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They should do that

    • @senatorarmstrong4662
      @senatorarmstrong4662 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That would be interesting showing us what lead him to do all this and what his goal is and why is cloud so
      Important to that goal.

    • @zerofudou5689
      @zerofudou5689 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If that happens, then that could be the link up to Advent Children that they promised we were leading up to.

    • @thefrozensnow
      @thefrozensnow หลายเดือนก่อน

      I keep still thinking we're not even fighting the real Sephiroth. Just Jenova using him as a Vessel and in thos game they allude to Jenova using this to turn ppl against those they knew and loved. With this whole reunion I feel its Jenova trying to collect all her essence to regain full power and why wouldn't she use the strongest person on the planet to do so. IE Sephiroth. That's how he keeps coming back.

  • @sletrent
    @sletrent หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    What they did with the ending will either be brilliant or the worst thing ever depending on what they do with fixing Cloud’s mind in 3.

  • @gregori-kk8ii
    @gregori-kk8ii หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Max mentions that the different timelines and all the multiverse stuf probably wont have a big effect in the story in part 3, but if thats the case then i find it harder to understand why the devs decided to introduce this element to the story, if they wanted to have cool boss fight at the end of part 1 and 2 i think there could have been easier ways to do that than trying to fit the original ff 7 story into the new muliverse storyline that they created. Reagardless if they stick the landing in part 3, I would be very happy if at one point in the story Cloud and the party change into their Advent Children outfits, maybe after Cloud recuperates from his fractured mind

  • @shawnwiebe2301
    @shawnwiebe2301 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Max! Tell your friends at Square that they need to add SUPER DUNK at the Gold saucer in the form of NBA Hangtime. 2v2 Tifa slammin' hard on Cloud Let's gooooooo!

    • @spoonimefan
      @spoonimefan หลายเดือนก่อน

      😄 Tifa Meteor Smash-ing the ball like an enemy in one of her old Limit Breaks. Or using Divekick, but the ref is too scared to foul her for using her feet!

  • @manuelagius8875
    @manuelagius8875 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Maybe the crack in the sky is the start of the edge of creation?

    • @malpercio123
      @malpercio123 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Agreed. Two skys, two worlds, two ideas of freedom. Ehich one will prevail os based on Clouds actions

  • @Darktalent1986
    @Darktalent1986 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    It better not be one of those "none of it matters" situations, i'll be super pissed if they're that lazy

    • @raven-19x
      @raven-19x หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It’s shaping up to be that way. All these plot ghosts, alt timelines, etc. is just to shoehorn Zack into these games.

    • @anochi8965
      @anochi8965 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      That would easily be the worst possible conclusion to this trilogy. Please God…

    • @BigBootyBatman
      @BigBootyBatman หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@raven-19xZack had like 15 min of screentime. I think they're shooting for something bigger

    • @raven-19x
      @raven-19x หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@BigBootyBatman So far that is all this weird take to the journey has added. A playable Zack with a last boss tutorial fight lol. I expect him to be slightly more involved next game because otherwise, what is the point if this is going to end similar to OG?

    • @supertaco2896
      @supertaco2896 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It doesn't have to end differently than the OG did for it to matter imo. I think a lot of it is going to be more of a spiritual message at the end. If it's used to empower and introduce new character dynamics to certain moments from the OG (like what they are presumably using the ending of this game for with Cloud's character climax in the next game) then it is worth it for me. If you're expecting it to go off in a wildly different direction or end at a completely different point then you will be disappointed. They have said numerous times over the years and even before Remake released that the project as a whole was still going to follow the 'axis' of the OG game and cover all of the same moments.
      It could end differently but if it does I expect it to be in an ambigious way like the OG ending.

  • @danielmunroe1423
    @danielmunroe1423 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I played the og in 97 when i was 13 and im 39 now. This game was my teen years and what they have done with it is so fucking cool. I cant waitnfor part 3 cloud is seriously fucked in this one man and the pay off when we get aeriths funeral scene and cloud finding himself will be sensational. Bravo square i simply fucking love this.

  • @captaincosmo6157
    @captaincosmo6157 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    just finished it - first - Damn them. I had such a big smile on my face when I thought I was going to change things only to have it taken away. Secondly - Cetra are putting me in mind of the denizens of FFX.

  • @robertpiccinino5612
    @robertpiccinino5612 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Max thank you for being awesome. Love all your videos.

  • @NepticChronicles
    @NepticChronicles หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Perfect timing, just finished the game last night at 120+ hrs.
    I already have withdrawals lol

  • @bdhuffman42
    @bdhuffman42 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I feel like these new timelines are implied to be fractures of one original timeline, like pieces breaking off of Gaia's crystal, so to speak. You can see the instability. This is different from other multiverses in fiction where timelines multiply in contrast.
    This is important distinction, because it tells us that Gaia timelines are increasingly unstable.
    Sephiroth has created a "Reunion" that is both dangerous and necessary.

  • @nikunjzaveri8302
    @nikunjzaveri8302 หลายเดือนก่อน

    regarding game development you are 100 % correct.... . i myself m a senior 3d artist in my company. n i know the feel when we maintain the same team on a particular project again n again in comparison to bringing new people in the project. the time difference is huge when the same people do the repeated stuff compared to new people who still have to figure out the problems while working on the project.... that's why we start giving the new people smaller stuff of the project and let them get experienced to a point where they can work at the same level of perfection on the main stuff...

  • @LucasGomes-gt8cs
    @LucasGomes-gt8cs หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Gotta grab that popcorn

  • @BltzZ
    @BltzZ หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    The world of FF7 Continues to succ us back in. ONE MORE TIME! lol

    • @robertjones3489
      @robertjones3489 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Trolls when Cloud sees Seph: "He's alive."
      Trolls when Cloud sees Aerith: "She's dead. He's imagining her out of denial."
      Trolls when Zack survives yet again: "..."
      Begone, nonbeliever.

    • @joellarsson9486
      @joellarsson9486 หลายเดือนก่อน

      After the trilogy they could make a whole new remake of ff7 in a whole different way and we would buy it. Many wants a more simple classic turn based ff7 with better graphics.

  • @Nik-wj6zv
    @Nik-wj6zv หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    26:57 You're talking about like, we already have that, as though when this happens in Rebirth as one of Sephiroth's combat moves, it's a reference to Advent Children. Well maybe, but that's hard to say, because even when they do that in Advent Children, it's a replay of their fight in the Nibelheim reactor five years prior to the OG7 events. That was the signature moment where Sephiroth skewered Cloud and held him aloft, and Cloud plunged himself down to flip it around and throw Sephiroth over the edge, the moment when he killed Sephiroth.
    So is it a nod to advent children? Who can say, because that bit in AC is itself a nod to the OG7 history.

  • @angelwolf020
    @angelwolf020 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I think they did a good job on how they dealt with the aerith death scene as someone who has lost both their parents I unfortunately didn't get to say goodbye to either of them just got a call that they passed and I went to go see them and I can say i felt empty and a bit in denial that they were gone. You literally go through all the stages of grief whether you realize it or not and i feel a lot of people are doing that now with the aerith scene they literally created a moment of REAL loss and I think a lot of people are not seeing the full picture of that scene

  • @Steakdough
    @Steakdough หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Calling it: Each parts of the Buster Sword from Advent Children comes from a different "world". Cloud's limit break has him jumping from one piece to another, slashing and stacking them up together, ending with the fully assembled sword. Perfectly representing how Seph's getting deleted in every world iterations simultaniously - and Cloud's struggle comming full circle, picking up scraps of his broken psyche, in each worlds and builds himself anew.

    • @TreeTheWolf
      @TreeTheWolf หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I have a theory I am working on that has different Clouds as the full knights of the round for a multiversal omnislash. Same vibe

    • @Emucratic
      @Emucratic หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lird please let this be true.

  • @voistar5387
    @voistar5387 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Okay now I am more confused because I swear I've seen different version of these exact Twitter pksts with more context to certain parts.
    For example, I've seen other versions of the last post he looked at with Nomura were it doesn't say that but instead says:
    "Nomura mentions that many wanted to see Aerith avoid that fate on the OG for FF7 Rebirth, and that's why the team delievered, having Cloud successfully deflect Spehiorth.
    There is a question that then asks why everytime Cloud gets a headache with noise, he sees random flashbacks"
    It then states the part about Cloud's mind rejecting in all the headaches. This translation seems to seperate the headache question and the Aerith death scene question, which seems to line up with the rest of the Ultimania and interviews where they seemed commited to making the death ambiguous for the sake of Part 3.
    The fact that even Ultimania can't seem to make up its damn mind about where the story is going and what is going on is not making me confident for the writting of the 3rd game.
    Though I am confident Aerith will return and be playable, not because of timeline stuff or lifestream stuff.
    No, I am confident because with how filled to the brime with fanservice these games are, there is no way in hell they wouldn't put Princess Guard, the Umbrella, or Great Gospel in this game unless they are going to be in Part 3, in which then Aerith would need to be playable enough to warrent having several weapons. Especially since Princess Guard was found in the Temple of the Ancients.

  • @woojin214
    @woojin214 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is already an illusion of seamless traveling in rebirth via docking to black screen when using tiny bronco. The ocean floor we traverse is another large zone. They can just easily add a sky zone and an underwater (submarine) zone in part3. And I will not be mad even if it's not seamless. Of course you need to land the Highwind, that's a queue like the docking of tiny bronco.
    Also, I think the crack in the skies that signifies the end of the world is like an omen that the realities/timelines are merging.

  • @johnk600
    @johnk600 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks so much! I’m definitely experiencing post game adjustment so these vids are a godsend! Keep up the awesome work loving it!

  • @Dark_Adonis_Vyers
    @Dark_Adonis_Vyers หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    My take on the end is Cloud does repress it, but there is a split in timeline where she does and doesnt die. The reason the rest of the party cant see it is because they were all outside the Whisper Wall until that moment happened, at which point the whispers stopped holding them back. Tifa probably gets flashes of it due to the lifestream visit.
    I think Sephiroth is too distracted messing with Cloud to realize that she lived in a meaningful way, up until she appears for the final fight where he says he underestimated her.
    Im also guessing the "rainbows" are sometomes used to show the barrier between worlds. Often Cloud is seen on one side separate from his party, and only sees Aerith on the side the party isn't on.
    The Sky Rift is maybe indicative of a world fractured from the main timeline. Biggs reactor had no Mako, possibly due to being a splintered timeline and not directly linked to the planets lifestream. They also have no sense of time in the other worlds, making them seem sort of "incomplete" as worlds.

  • @Zenixx_DLC
    @Zenixx_DLC หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    We were deprived of our goodbye... in this game. That's the curveball, we were all prepared to bawl our eyes out. Cloud getting his memory back in part 3 will be absolutely devastating as we finally get our goodbye.

    • @megamandrn001
      @megamandrn001 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I think that would be boring. Now what would be an even better goodbye is if Cloud saved Aerith...but only for that parallel world, so even though he won he still has to say goodbye regardless.

    • @deedoubs
      @deedoubs หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Will it really be devastating at all if we already see it coming?

    • @Zenixx_DLC
      @Zenixx_DLC หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Clouds mom dying, Zach dying and Aerith dying all in one shot I would consider devastating, yes.

    • @megamandrn001
      @megamandrn001 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Zenixx_DLC I'm pretty sure that Cloud knows his mom is dead even in his altered state.

    • @The21785
      @The21785 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think seeing kid Aerith at the temple of the ancients is that moment now.

  • @OniLyger714
    @OniLyger714 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For me I have had the mindset that much of what happens doesn’t matter as even from remake I knew everything would culminate with the life stream sequence and I can’t wait for that part of the story. I love how crazy it gets because it keeps the intrigue going.

  • @nathanstruble2177
    @nathanstruble2177 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Also, I feel pretty confident Zach is back in his Terrier World, mostly because we do get to see the outline of the cross in Aerith's church at the end. In the main world, as well as OG and even the concept art for OG, the wooden cross is present, but at the end of InterGrade we noticed it was missing from Zach's version of the church, and again it is missing at the end of ReBirth

  • @Geov4niJr
    @Geov4niJr หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Really hope they answer everything. We already have Kingdom Hearts with the never ending questions without answers.

    • @ChippXelNaga
      @ChippXelNaga หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Its Nomura, he makes stuff more complicated than it has to be in order to be edgy. Could have done it alot better in KH.

    • @alenezi989a3
      @alenezi989a3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I really hope they anser atleast 90% of the question, leaving 10% up for interpretation is fine but not anymore.

    • @TheMilhouseExperience
      @TheMilhouseExperience หลายเดือนก่อน

      What is the life stream? What’s the difference from the OG life stream?

    • @Justin-td2er
      @Justin-td2er หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@TheMilhouseExperiencenothing is different

    • @raven-19x
      @raven-19x หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      They won’t. They will continue milking us beyond part 3.

  • @chrisgee8441
    @chrisgee8441 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    God I love this!
    Am I the only one thinking it’s not just Omni Aerith, but also Omni Seph? Like we are sometimes talking to a “grunt” seph, and at the end we’re talking to Omni Seph, with him finally coming face to face with Omni Aerith. Which would make sense that they are both lifestreamed. It feels like he is tipping the hat to her like a chess player finally meeting in person, after playing online forever. Either way; I love it.

    • @kevindie
      @kevindie หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      *_Yes. I would call Sephiroth “ultimate bad” and Aerith “ultimate good”. They are both by far the strongest and most powerful characters in the story. I also agree with the chess match analogy; they are both operating on a level that is almost incomprehensible to the rest of the characters. There’s a massive holy war going on, and Sephiroth and Aerith are the ones truly fighting it._*

    • @zerofudou5689
      @zerofudou5689 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I prefer to call them post Advent Children Sephiroth and Aerith.

    • @zeroskaterz92
      @zeroskaterz92 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Nothing really new about it. Not so different than in the OG as Sephiroth died first so he became a traveller on the lifestream then when Aerith died, she managed to become one as well. Hence, Lifestream: Black/White being the title for their stories in On the Way to a Smile novel.

    • @Silverfish-qv8ig
      @Silverfish-qv8ig หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'm pretty sure we'll see Omni-Cloud too by the end of it.

    • @StephenOwen
      @StephenOwen หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Omni Seph is lifestream pilled and time coded

  • @Silverfish-qv8ig
    @Silverfish-qv8ig หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your take on the Nomura quote at the end is an interesting one. I don't think it destroys the two universe theory - Nomura could be suggesting here that Cloud is simply repressing the death universe but embracing the living universe. Just a thought. I really don't think the multiverse thing is going to be tucked away neatly or is a way of amplifying the story. I just think it's par for the course in terms of modern day storytelling (which I hate, tbf). I think it will be resolved at the end (hopefully), but I still think it will be a key feature throughout 3.

  • @marcorocha88
    @marcorocha88 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks, Max. Just got aware now that we are sequentially have endings of the next game (n+1). Rebirth had the fights we were supposed to have on the OG's ending. Almost mirrored versions with Jenova, Sephiroth and the multi-party involvement.
    Makes so much sense mechanically. To open space for the 3rd game; to give us something new, greater (possibly AC related); to test how parties will interact on the big bosses set pieces; to possibly tie fanbase loose ends - Zack or other (new) villains even taking part of multi-tier action sequences.
    Makes so much sense to do it this way. To clear the way, to test waters. Granted, it may be a shitstorm of fan fest stravaganza. Chaos? Chaos. Let's go !

  • @doragonakuma
    @doragonakuma หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The only thing i gavent really seen covered is how Tifa can see both "worlds" flickering back and forth with Aerith and Cloud (blood and no blood). Could that be from being in the Lifestream? I guess that'll be touched on next game which is why there's no mention of it.

    • @SeventhheavenDK
      @SeventhheavenDK หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, what they are showing there is that Tifa is seeing the blood while Cloud doesn't.

    • @doragonakuma
      @doragonakuma หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SeventhheavenDK I'm gonna have to disagree there. I feel like they focused on her deliberately when that was happening. She even reacts to it. I may be proven wrong when the next one comes out, but for now that's my interpretation.

    • @KidFlash11606
      @KidFlash11606 หลายเดือนก่อน

      no, youre just wrong, how can you watch this video and still believe that?@@doragonakuma

  • @Olivuhr
    @Olivuhr หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Hey Max, I don’t really post much but been a huge final fantasy fan, part 7 was actually the first game I ever played back when I was a kid. I loved rebirth so much and your content is amazing to watch! So thank you for that! ❤️ loved hearing every review, theory and your playthrough! Can’t wait for part 3!

  • @juliush9187
    @juliush9187 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Also note that the Zack that teamed up with Cloud isn't the one we've been seeing since the beginning of Rebirth. He's the one who encountered Sephy at the church entrance where Johnny passed by with a Corgi(?) Stamp. Which i guessed, is why his Triangle move is a Charge & not the Combo attack like from the beginning of the game

  • @danielcarroll1816
    @danielcarroll1816 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I played the original as a kid, and the remakes are a masterpiece. If you know the ending of the OG all this extra story is all timing in to how the OG ends, it is just filling in all the missing pieces that the OG left out. I had so many questions after finishing the OG like how Aerith control the lifestream. And in the remakes we are getting that answer. And no Sephiroth is not advent sephiroth

  • @Evanz111
    @Evanz111 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I heard a really good theory that Cloud will be the last playable character we unlock in part 3.
    Now that he’s off in other timelines mentally, playing as his comrades and seeing it from their perspective. Before the eventual part in the game where you separate from him.
    Him being playable last would be so hype, once he’s finally out of his wheelchair and you’ve spent some time with Cid & Vincent. Would make sense after spending so much time with him in 1 & 2.

    • @Limit02
      @Limit02 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Maybe? I think that could really only work if they put going to places like the icicle inn region after the first northern cave visit, since a decent bit still happens between the forgotten capital and northern cave

    • @kei7540
      @kei7540 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well he'll be playable in like chapter 1 and 2 or whatever until the crater but yeah he'll be gone for a minute afterwards

    • @SeventhheavenDK
      @SeventhheavenDK หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Well, at least I think it is a given that Cloud won't be available for a good part of the game, and with him and Aerith out of the party I guess it will be a good moment to focus more time on Vincent and Cid.

    • @cedricfoucreau
      @cedricfoucreau หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@SeventhheavenDK the more I think about it, the more I wonder how long part 3 will be. If they want to tell correctly all the story of every characters ( Cid, vincent, yuffie, gast, Rufus, zack, the emergence of giant weapon, the conflict between Shinra and the wutai, the hunt of hojo and scarlet, all the recovery part of Cloud, the world changing after the cast of the meteor... And on and on) this game will be f****NG huge!

    • @a_cynical_mad_man_vods
      @a_cynical_mad_man_vods หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@cedricfoucreau not to mention Yuffies fear of Deepground and the potential of Weiss and Nero being included in some way.

  • @ricardoj3232
    @ricardoj3232 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    I’d love a legit advent children Retelling as an ending chapter. But done right and changing the events but still similar.

    • @mobious01
      @mobious01 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wont happen tho

    • @stonehorn4641
      @stonehorn4641 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I would rather AC not happen at all.

    • @Justin-td2er
      @Justin-td2er หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@stonehorn4641 too bad

  • @felixleung6069
    @felixleung6069 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In Rebirth, we have Omni Aerith who said something to Cloud at her death scene which seems like they had consensus about the plan proceeding to defeat Sephiroth at the end and Cloud has to wait and cooperate in the moment.

  • @rickflorida3838
    @rickflorida3838 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've been waiting for this video for so long

  • @emcee009
    @emcee009 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Just wanted to point out that Nomura DID NOT state that there weren't multiple timelines involved in the Aerith death scene - he specifically referred to the parts where we see the green flashes and gave clarification for what that meant. He said there were "a lot of elements" happening in that scene. Of course, if there were multiple time lines playing out, you're going to get one perspective of Cloud's mind breaking down, and another perspective where it isn't. Notice that the actual deflection moment is not accompanied by the glitchy green flash.

  • @Nico-nc5qb
    @Nico-nc5qb หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    I think the Cloud thing in the end comes to make a bigger impact when Tifa helps him remember and fix his mind.
    Now she has been in the lifestream and makes sense she knows how to traverse it to help Cloud remember Aerith died and that he has Zack's memories. There we will see the scene with him laying Aerith in the water.

    • @RyanOstrowski-eh6ft
      @RyanOstrowski-eh6ft 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      i have a feeling that tifa is not going to save cloud in part 3

  • @erichaslam7952
    @erichaslam7952 หลายเดือนก่อน

    More!!!
    Rebirth is such a gem that, despite my complete confidence in part 3, o thing can sully this masterpiece

  • @BigKurzMD
    @BigKurzMD หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there a different video where max theorizes about the end? I enjoy this video but it feels like a part 2 to a video i didn’t see.
    Was it just the play through video or was there something else?

  • @dougkinzinger
    @dougkinzinger หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Totally agree that Zack ended up in "our world" at the end of Rebirth. Which is awesome.

    • @senatorarmstrong4662
      @senatorarmstrong4662 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I want Zack to join the party so bad.😂

    • @kingofbudokai
      @kingofbudokai หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sephiroth explicitly made it a point to keep Cloud and Zack in different worlds. Why would he send Zack somewhere else just to let him join Cloud again? That logic doesn't hold up for me. If he does end up being in the "normal" timeline now there is going to need to be a very explicit explanation as to how in order for it to make any kind of sense.

    • @ShadoW81239
      @ShadoW81239 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@kingofbudokaiafter Sephiroth started to get the business from Zack and Cloud he was like "hell nah can't get smoked by these to 2 MFs gotta separate they ass"

  • @kevindie
    @kevindie หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    *_Prediction: I think the final character you’ll control at the very end of the third game will be Red XIII. Think about it…_*

    • @SuperNeos2
      @SuperNeos2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That would be a beautiful ending

  • @oujisama05
    @oujisama05 หลายเดือนก่อน

    21:55 I agree, also because Cloud makes it a point to say that Sephiroth egging him on won't work on him anymore. So I can totally see how he/Jenova would switch strategies.

  • @AverageAuzzie
    @AverageAuzzie หลายเดือนก่อน

    The scene with Cait Sith at the gold saucer in chap8, literally uses dialogue from Advent Children.

  • @aschen
    @aschen หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    i will never get sick of max breaking down and speculating about this series.

  • @Lordwhizzkid
    @Lordwhizzkid หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I completely agree with what you're saying about Zack, it doesn't matter what world he's from and I have a truly crazy theory from it. I expect he's splintering timelines to do the Dr. Strange 1 in 1 million chance of defeating Sephiroth, and he's now found it. We saw potentially 7 Zacks, but there could and likely were so many more. It's also insanely worth noting we actually have a distinct Aerith as well now with the pin, so if we see that pin we can ???? as soon as it happens.
    My theory is that with this final game, they're going to give us multiple endings. I think they may continue with the party happiness system that was started here, and let it dictate some of the game's flow in the future. Cloud is almost smiling at the end, because he believes Aerith isn't dead and that is going to anger so many people in the party. I think the game is going to try and push you towards anger and hatred, and push you into Sephiroth's arms to whatever he's planning, but if you defy him and fill your hollow heart with love, care and reconciliation, you may fall into Aerith's hopes and dreams which'll push you down a path towards a new, much brighter future. And if you don't fall into either of their plans, you just loop over and over just like Zack did.
    It'd be absolutely crazy if they could pull something like that off, especially because it helps with the problem where players want it to follow OG FF7, but they also want to provide a small bit of hope where there was none. But until we know more of their plans, this is all just guesswork.

  • @TeaAndAPiano
    @TeaAndAPiano 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have a pretty vague theory that the overarching game plan here is to craft a story that converges on the ending of advent children and adds meaning to it - that scene at the end where cloud's in the church and aerith and zach walk away into the white? I think they're trying to make THAT scene MORE, or rather that that was an inspiration. The goal is to create this secondary world inside the lifestream and to reunite zach and aerith on screen in the lifestream so that that scene is retroactively a reference

  • @boyntonfamilyeb
    @boyntonfamilyeb หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think they were referring to creating away to resurrect Awrith, because it wasn’t in the original game but many people had theories that there was suppose to be away to do it.