In divided America, anything goes in the name of “protecting democracy" | Ian Bremmer | Quick Take
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- The one thing that almost all Americans today can agree on is that their political opponents at home are fundamentally opposed to democracy. When you believe that your political opponents are opposed to democracy, you take away their value as people, you think that their political views are wrong and they need to be erased.
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Ian Bremmer's Quick Take:
A Quick Take to kick off your Monday morning. Let's talk for a moment about the state of US politics, US democracy. It's the one thing that almost all Americans today can agree on, and that is that their political opponents at home are fundamentally opposed to democracy.
Now, that is actually something I think that unites Americans in kind of a weird way. If you are a Biden supporter, you believe that Trump and MAGA supporters are fundamentally opposed to democracy. If you are a MAGA supporter, you believe that Biden and the establishment Democrats are fundamentally opposed to American democracy. It is incredibly dysfunctional. It is no way to operate a government.
It is no way to build a nation. And that means, you know, when you believe that your political opponents are opposed to democracy, you take away their value as people, you think that their political views are wrong and they need to be erased. They don't need to be engaged with sensibly. You also believe that anything that you might do to ensure that your opponents don't take power is justified because you're fighting over something very essential. And so it's kind of Machiavellian. It's the ends justify the means. Any means are justified if your opponents are fundamentally opposed to your system. And I mean, I certainly have political views of who I think is and is not appropriate. And I've said that historically, and I will continue to with this election. But this piece is not about this.
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This is why I listen to G-zero Media.
fine crafted propaganda
When the big things seem unsolvable, we focus more and more on the little things that are wrong. Thanks, Ian.
This is why I listen to Ian Bremmer
Looking at things from the UK, it's like living nextdoor to a rowdy couple who are constantly blaming each other. Polite advice from a friendly neighbour: we don't care whose fault it is: just get your house in order (literally) - it's having an effect on the rest of Democracy Street
What democracy? The British public voted for less immigration and yet a record amount of people entered the country.
@@Stoddardian Ha ha...gotta love it."The British public" - you mean the 2.1% slim majority.
Who said I was talking about Brexit?
Because at no other time was the immigration question on the ballot. People were quite happy to go along with the “free movement of people” principle for decades.
What on Earth are you talking about? The promise to lower immigration has been part of parties' campaigns for years on end now. Or you can just look up polls on the subject. Also, free movement was for EU citizens, not Africans or Asians. You seem to be grossly ignorant about this subject. I thought you liberals were supposed to be so well-read, educated, and informed.
Soon: "My fellow Americans, with great sadness I announce that during this emergency, elections are suspended. We must do this to protect democracy. In addition, due to the grave danger posed by supporters of my opponent, martial law and the suspension of civil liberties continue indefinitely. We must do this to protect freedom."
You are always the voice of reason!
I just discovered G-Zero and Mr. Bremmer last week. A true, refreshing voice of REASON in the midst of this madness! He has the pulse, nationally and globally. He's earned my attention.
Excellent analysis. Now get rid of cable news, social media.
Moral relativism even infects the center sometimes. Be careful what you call extreme.
But morality is relative.
@@Stoddardian and you will lose against the jews either way. LOL> keep the dialectic going.
@@tuckerbugeater Huh?
“Stupid Season”…I’m stealing that.
Thanks for some sanity
Brilliantly summed up. Ian is always on the button 🇦🇺
Thank you. This is true thought leadership and is desperately needed.
Thanks for being a voice of reason. We are in troubled times for sure. We need moderate, rational voices to rise. Fight the good fight, Ian!
🎉the best episode in 2 years
Both parties oppose democracy. That's why they don't let third parties in debates and it's a nightmare for them to get on ballots. And they'll never reform our voting system because it means someone moderate who actually appeals to the greatest number of Americans might get elected and we can't have that. The parties cause politicians to act in the party's interest instead of in America's. Washington had it right.
The Trump faction is definitely the craziest right now though, so I guess I'm voting Democrat instead of for a candidate I actually like. Again.*sigh* Props to Trump for getting a libertarian to vote Democrat.
Wow. So well said.
Thank you Ian....rational sensibility......wish you were required listening
I think my political opponents have some great and some poor policy positions - they likely think the same about me. I don't think they are anti-democracy. One of my dear friends from my time in the Army was an African-American from Texas. I loved him like my own sibling. We used to sit in front of a George Foreman grill and watch Cornish hens rotating through the glass, while drinking beer and taking football. Political figures will tell you that there are race issues throughout the country but most people are like me and Juan - friends or potential friends that have not yet met. Shame on the swamp for dividing us.
Thanks man.
As usual you're saying things I don't want to hear and don't like, and that's why I trust you.
Gratitude for occupying the unpopular sensible places.
Newsman. They've been hard to find lately, but not at gzero.
Great analysis thanks for your honest feedback!!
The unifying position is that both parties are disasters.
It looks to me that being too loud in favor of either will have you quickly identified as a very gullible soul!
I don't see many people making public cases for either candidate. I think it's just too embarrassing an activity.
The popular base of both parties' are tired of the nonsense.
It turns out being marginally better than the worst accusations towards your opponent only gets you so far.
We need a significant popular mandate, and to achieve something for once in the eyes of the general public.
The status quo of debt servitude and lyin' about it is not a long term solution.
It also has zero democratic legitimacy.
He/she has risen. Them has forgiven.
Ian, you're usually more balanced. You cannot seriously say that Biden wasn't completely forthcoming when he had documents for years in unsecured locations and only brought them forward a few weeks before he decided to go after Trump.
No one is a political opponent. Thank you so much.
Ian, very cynical view. Things are not that bad. Political polarization has remained like this in the last 20 plus years that i have followed politics. World is definitely in a turmoil though part of it because it is no longer unipolar like the last 30 years but the Us establishment should take responsibility including experts like you who could have done better when US was the only super power.
What is the GZERO response to the quote by Senator Bernie Sanders in his recent video: "...our political system is corrupt and broken, dominated by big money interests." ?
I'm not criticizing Ian but I have no trouble remembering which presidential candidate said in 2016 he'd only accept the election results if he won; who the incumbent president was in late 2020 who schemed with like-minded allies to keep himself in power into the next term; which party had so many officials who enabled same losing candidate; and which faction of Americans either didn't know, or pretended not to know, that the claims said losing candidate were lies. And on and on.
Exactly. Bremmer is essentially saying the Democrats and those against Trump, are as crazy and willing to destroy the Constitution as the GOP cult and it's deranged leader. WRONG! And I thought this guy had a clue.
Well analysed, thank you
Thank you
Liked what you said. Makes sense. Thank you for saying it.
Another good commentary from Ian. Thanks.
Id love to see Ian Bremer debate Col Doug McGregor......
Just let's admit that divide is not between left and right but between (all kinds of) stupid and reason. What means we are doomed.
Hi Ian
Please talk about all the policies in the Heritage Foundation 's Project 2025 (Presidential Transition Project). How much democracy is Americans losing with those policies?
Who cares? It was put out by a think tank. It’s not like it’s US policy. That’s not how this works.
I came to the comments fearing they would be ridiculously partisan and obnoxious and I’m glad to see they are pretty reasonable and respectful. As a Canadian it gives me hope for America.
Yeah, but now look at the view numbers... While anything with Tucker Carlson gets millions.
The best and only solution to our current political divide is to arrange for a amicable divorce. We can form a customs union, split the assets and debts, and leave each other to our own devices.
Who gets the national debt?
@@sommmeguy ...split the assets and DEBTS,...
@@iseektruth64 And defense? Who will defend half of America from all of China?
I think we have an issue with the term “democracy”. I love my constitutional republic and our democratic way of electing representatives and many levels of government, but I want a country based on the wisdom of natural law, diffuse in where power lays, and through laws codified and clearly applied. I don’t want 50% +1 rules.
Well said! Are parties are failing us. If the river is a need for a no labels party it is now!
But.......both sides believe that because of the messages from one party
Ian, allow my to take exception to your reasoning on, "Trump on the ballot." You completely ignored, as did the Supreme Court, the 14th amendment the the US Constitution. If we don't like a provision in the constitution, it provides a mechanism for changing that provision. Until we make that change, the constitution is the law of the land.
Not a fan of Trump at all but the Supreme Court did look at the 14th amendment. And it rightly pointed out that the method of determining sedition against the government is not really clear and best left with Congress. The alternative is states can remove their political opponents off the ballot at will. That is not a healthy path to follow. It’s just frustrating since Congress is so dysfunctional right now.
divided mean some go in another direction that normal , but me i like my own thing only
Not a fan of Trump either, but erasing him from the ballot would seem like a proof of "Deep state" for his supporters, and that would likely cause Jan 6th levels of chaos in many places.
It requires an enormous ego or intelligence to argue that you know better than all 9 justices on the Supreme Court. I wonder which category you fall into 🤔
@@TWE_2000 Neither catagory, of course. But I can think. I seems to me that the 9 justices decided the outcome they wished, then created arguments to get the result they wanted. And they either ignored, or dismissed, the 14th Amendment. I think that is both poor legal reasoning, and irresponsible.
Why couldn't more people like him run for office...
...Oh right; politics is so odious that it pushes away most of the best people :(
Quite the video essay here. This is a very eloquent way to describe what is actually happening ahead of a very contentious election. I wish all of the electorate could watch this prior to intaking all the campaign bs that's about to overtake every moment of every American's attention from now until what seems like eternity.
Thank god you exist bro! If you ever want to talk about foster care I would love to! The children of America.. anyways.. love your clear wisdom and your ability to remove the “noise” from the “signal”.. I feel like we are evolving as well and we need to realize that we need to solve this problem or our lesser evolved aspects of being human is going to hurt us.. I think understanding more about the brain and the tendency we have.. such has being strongly held to an idea and if too strong not being able to be convinced of a different perspective even if that’s beneficial for them. Would love to chat more about this and would love just to do it one on one and even if you don’t chat about it more than that.. it would be good just to connect! Lmk :) might bug you on all your platforms just so you have a better chance of finding me :)
David Attenborough once said that he thought it was important to be not liked by people on occasion, because if you were universally popular (as he objectively nearly is) it means that you have not made waves and fought for good causes.
That's why the American obsession with democracy is fundamentally flawed. It is a way of selecting your leaders which tell you what you want to hear, and not what you need. It's not based on the will of the people but rather the attention of the people.
An honest system would not need a process like that to elect a good leader, and a dishonest system is dishonest enough that democracy will not save it.
There is a difference between "the common people have the power to run the government" and "people participate in a ritual every few years to cast votes to elect some government officers". There is a problem when you fudge the difference between these two things under the word "democracy".
I like the last couple things he said. if you only listen to one side, you're being propagandaized. its very true.
He tried to exonerate Biden, though.
stupid season.. yip
6:40 Is it really #StupidSeason when it's year round and never ends? #MericaFirstWorst
You were identifying a problem and then you are throwing gasoline on it. I applaud you saying that both sides are doing these things but then for you to speak your own particular view on it just doesn’t sound smart. On how everybody is being manipulated and everybody is deluded doesn’t mix well with your own personal opinion which makes you sound deluded and manipulated.
Thinks picked up under Trump, but it's been this way for YEARS now.
Almost every single point here applies to how religion is connected and relates to this. First listen I was 1/2 paying attention and had to re-listen to make sure we hadn’t jumped topics.
for most of a decade you have been doing a both sides thing. i respect that you have a business to run, and telling one side that they are wrong or evil will hurt that business ("republicans buy sneakers too", Micheal Jordan) but at a certain point do you not have a responsibility to take a more realistic position?
thank-you for the video.
Luckily, we don't need to go to "the end justifying the means" to defeat MAGA and Trumpism. We just need to enforce the law in a timely way...crossing the T's, and dotting the I's on behalf of the Defendant Donald John Trump.
I like that vest! Care to share the details, please?
Let’s try this again. 🇺🇸 will eventually unite again. Can’t divide us forever. Now let’s see which pronouns have an issue with my comment 😅🤣
Your statement regarding when Easter is is false. Your belief is a common misconception. No worries. Cheers, mate...☀
This is karma, US treat other countries like this too, if u r not democratic by US definition, everything goes.
Stick to the puppets please.
Biden for 4 more years!!!!!!!
I don't know that the "At least he's not Trump" sentiment will get out the vote, this time, though. A lot of the people who voted for him are pretty vocal about changing their minds and staying home or voting for a third party candidate. I think Trump would win if the election were held right now.
But, the election is in November, not April....
What a depressing prospect... either of the two.
President Biden has been sharp, effective, intelligent, peace making. I'm happy to vote for him.
😮@@Joelmonterrey
Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen....... Revelation 18 KJV.
More pro-Trump double talk from Ian Bremmer.
🤮 "both sides the same" *BULLSHIT*
iam bremmer is a fasicist
Cant both sides an issue when one side wants to end democracy..