Fact check: There are a few other democracies that use an electoral college system to pick their president! But what sets the US apart from them is the president’s role. In many countries, the president is less important than the prime minister, or shares power with the prime minister, or is purely a figurehead. But in the US, the president holds all the executive power - they’re the head of government AND the head of state. And there are lots of other presidents like that around the world, but they’re almost always elected by popular vote or by a national legislature. No other democracy follows the US’s example of using an entirely separate body of “electors” to pick the country’s sole leader. Here’s a short article that explains it really well and has a nice map: www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/22/among-democracies-u-s-stands-out-in-how-it-chooses-its-head-of-state/ So no one really does it like the US does - but we definitely could have been more precise at 0:31. Thanks to all who pointed this out! -Adam
We are the United States of America, and our states-starting with the original 13 colonies-are separate entities. It is understandably unacceptable to states with smaller populations to have their affairs decided by other states simply because more people live there. Suppose there were a United Countries of Earth. Would we like the idea of China (population 1.439 billion) and India (1.380 billion) running the show? (The U.S. has 331 million people.) Or would we want a leveling factor? - Marilyn Vos Savant
Why can't the electoral college votes be split according to the proportion of votes each candidate got? For example: If in one state 60% of people voted for Biden and 40% of people voted for Trump, 60% of the electoral college votes go to Biden and 40% go to Trump in that state. (Instead of Biden taking 100% of the electoral college votes). If this is how electoral college votes were allocated in every state, the national end result would more closely resemble the popular vote, whilst still keeping the electoral college in place.
Electoral votes are allocated among the States based on the Census. Every State is allocated a number of votes equal to the number of Senators and Representatives in its U.S. Congressional delegation-two votes for its Senators in the U.S. Senate plus a number of votes equal to the number of its Congressional districts The above statement is why democrat politicians want and need illegal immigration. The more people in a district, the more electoral votes. Its really so simple
@@richardgeorge2250 Hello Richard, I am honestly not trying to be rude when I say that you need to do better when reading a statement and replying. I said nothing even remotely close to what you suggested. In fact, I stated my point very clearly. Allow me to try again.... The more humans (no matter what their citizen status is) in a district = more electoral votes. Electoral votes are what determines the President. Please read with an open mind and consider the simple words before you reply. Have a great day!
I love it when everbody gets excited about presidential elections, but as soon as its local elections for something that may actually benefit you sooner everybody ignores it
I always tell people this forget the president who’s your mayor and local congressman and neighborhood advocate that’s what really matters but even tho that may be rigged .
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Electoral College: “We were created because our founding fathers didn’t want the elections to be decided by 4 states” Also the Electoral College: “the election will be decided to those who wins 4-5 swings states”
@@1brickrow America has been a republic and the electoral college helps balance the power of city folk and folk who live in rural areas (which they are the minority).
Another way to put it is if you're a democrat in a Republican state, your vote doesn't matter. The electoral college creates segregation. The u.s. is not a democracy
No, most of the federal states chose their leaders the same way. They just do it through parliamentary elections, instead of a separate institution. Just imagine that the senate appoints a president and you get an idea.
Watch 3:14, that's what matters. Each state has the power to actually influence the outcome of the election rather than only the states with largest population controlling the election.
That is in fact true all over the world, but the US made the catastrophic mistake of, in many cases, letting the people who oversee these systems be the very ones who benefit from them. It's especially bad when it comes to gerrymandering, but there are so many examples of poorly thought out political systems in the US...
The REAL reason is because you cant get either party to agree on anything. even if they both want it, one of them will disagree just out of sheer spite and pettiness.
No to me republicans are spitefully don't get me wrong but if it's about power both are power hungry also the EC is a favor to the minority and whoever is in the minority will never give that power up and the majority can't stop them. Dem or republicans. The one thing that is dif is the Republicans are more spiteful but that can change to one day tho that is largely besides the point both parties want power first and foremost
@@BBSleepIn Well voting by popular vote doesn’t really get an accurate picture of people all across the United States. Take for example California alone having more people than Canada. The urban areas have a huge population and usually vote in similar ways. The more rural voters would be constantly overshadowed by the urban voters if there wasn’t an electoral college
@@tkhannibal2476 of course but I’m stating the population densities are hard to get over regardless of whether you are choosing your local representatives imo
@@reaganhill7007 A win by a popular vote would actually be a good thing. That would force both parties to change strategies and make both parties more centrist rather than radical right vs. radical left... everybody's interest would be heard just as loud without giving an advance to either the cities or the rural areas. Everybody else in the world does it... and none of them ever complain that they need an electoral college lol
*direct democracy,the greek ekklesia, or "mob rule". Something that our founding fathers didnt want. Debated whether it was for good intentions or not till this day.
@@polkunus A direct democracy is a system in which the people vote for the LAWS, not their representatives. We'd still be a representative democracy and a constitutional republic if we changed or abolished the electoral college
Yes, this actually exactly the actual reason. Democracy isn't at all even closely in actuality what people think it is. The majority can be wrong. The electoral college is a safeguard for if that happens.
In a democracy not everything gets to be decided by a vote. Things that involve public safety and the well being of the population as a whole is not normally left up to the voters. Unfortunately, our elected officials are letting the voters decide in these matters. And this has set a terrible precedent that has jeopardized public safety.
That is in fact what Alexander Hamilton says about the reason for the electoral college, from Federalist Paper #68: "the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations."
No, it's determined by you. If you're a California Democrats and you don't vote, thank you, Republican will win the states. Just because Florida is usually the states that puts people through 270 doesn't mean the other 240 votes don't matter. They do, ask Hillary and what happened to Wisconsin?
if its all about popular vote...democratic party would win alot more frequently, because more people live at eastern/western coasts and they are more inclined toward democrat over republican..
@@HaHa-kl3hx so are you saying that's why they still keep the electoral college so that it can be fair for the other states. Just asking im not from America
Because of the electoral college and the way it is set up, unless you live in a swing state your vote does not count. Candidates only visit the states that can be swing and ignor all the others. I live in Illinois and my vote does not matter, the sate always votes blue. Just like a vote in Oklahoma doesn't matter since it always votes red.
There’s a method to the madness, while vox says that it makes it to where your vote doesn’t count as much, it really makes your vote count more, because mathematically if you vote on a smaller scale, you would be worth a larger percentage than if you voted on a national level. So your vote is worth more in every state, and then in order to win the election, the president has to win a majority of the states electoral votes. Although, personally I think every state should just be worth one electoral vote. That way every state is worth the same amount, and the president has to win a majority of the states.
@@charliewalton3942 whole thing, people don’t want to admit it but it’s a good system. Used to be rigged to benefit white people but now it counts for everyone
No, most of the federal states chose their leaders the same way. They just do it through parliamentary elections, instead of a separate institution. Just imagine that the senate appoints a president and you get an idea.
That’s a funny misunderstanding! The term “electoral college” can definitely be confusing at first. It sounds like it involves colleges, but it’s actually a group of representatives from each state who formally elect the president and vice president. As a kid, it’s easy to see how that could lead to the idea that college students are casting votes! It’s interesting how those early perceptions shape our understanding of political systems as we grow older. Did you learn about it differently as you got older?
@@KirkulesGames I wish, unfortunately without the support of 38 states at least, and a majority of the House and Senate, a constitutional amendment is impossible. Maybe if Trump loses the electoral college, but wins the popular vote, it would get the republicans to do a major flip on how they view the electoral college, crazier things have happened, but that would be such a major shift in American politics that I just don't see that happening. It would require that they see a major constitutional crisis happening, but so far they do not, or at least they are not seeing it correctly because we have one unfolding right now with the president attempting to steal the election.
Hopefully, just the state of California alone would erase any possibility of that ever happening. It’s CERTAIN states that favor Trump...hmmmm, I wonder whyyyy(she says super sarcastically lol)
The electoral college legit makes the election play out like a weird strategy board game. That's fun and all for a board game but not for deciding the most powerful person in the country.
@@simonkoeman3310 Well that's also because these 2 provinces are home to nearly half the population of the country, and most of the time after the election, one of them become an afterthought and the country just focus Ontario.
@K Will Criticizing a system that can potentially have negative consequences isn't a bad thing. Other democratic countries adopted systems that values every vote, like in Canada-where I'm from. If something can be done better, it's worth looking into. I understand today is a huge deal for Americans. Best of luck to you all!
@K Will how is it TYRANNY when it’s each individual person voting??? Each vote should count equally! I’m tired of people in the middle of nowhere, Iowa deciding what happens to the rest of the more progressive population
@K Will wow! the irony. electoral college prevents tyranny because the states with most numbers would dictate states with smaller numbers? last time I check "tyranny" in a dictionary it was synonymous with "dictatorship" which do "dictates"
K Will that‘s nonsense. It didn’t prevent tyranny and it wasn‘t successfully in that given that usa had slaves for a freaking long time. But that’s american education for y‘all, let‘s pretend the bad stuff didn‘t happen, if you don’t count them, then we‘re great!
The winner takes all system per state is by far the worst issue. Someone shouldn't win all the votes for a state if they get 50.01% of the vote for that state.
If the Electoral College goes away, state Borders must go away. We already have a popular vote. That popular vote in your state turns your state blue or red and then the state votes for the president. The reason this matters is because every state has a different perspective and deserve to be heard in order for a balanced decision.
@@r3vmixman this is the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard. There isn’t a single state that is entirely Democrat or Republican. The electoral college literally suppresses voters based on where they live and makes the whole process much more complicated than if we just use popular vote. This will make the Candidates better because they can’t rely on their state winning because of party.
@@loganwolf1188 exactly. the electoral system discourages people from voting, except for the people living in swing states. but if you're a republican in calofornia or a democrat in alaska there is literally no reason to bother
Worse still, in America, they think if they don’t vote they still have a right to complain. Sorry Karen, if you want change then you need to step up and vote!
woahh that’s actually kinda cool bc like doesn’t that push your people to stay in touch with politics and just overall become more involved? i honestly wish America had that same requirement.
And, if I am not mistaken, the electoral can still decide to vote differently than what the state's popular vote dictated. They may be fined, but it is a slap on the wrist kind of thing with not real consequence.
@@juch3 no, nowhere in the constitution does it say that the representatives of that sate have to vote according to popular vote, the representatives are activated and can vote according to what they want.
@@somebodysomewhere3451 No, because then at that point the states with high population densities would become swing states. i.e. New York with NYC and CA with LA, SF, SD
@@somebodysomewhere3451 Not the whole country.. States with larger populations would be electing the President for generations. At least in the current system of swing States, Politicians are forced to campain on the smaller States, and the fact that swing States change every few election cycles. So no, it is not a good thing by any definition, it's pure tyranny.
Watch 3:14, that's what matters. Each state has the power to actually influence the outcome of the election rather than only the states with largest population controlling the election.
America is a Theocracy. Not in the sense that Christianity rules the nation. But in the sense that a lot of americans worship the "Founding Fathers" as basically perfect, infallible human beings whose words cannot be wrong in any shape or form.
That ain’t a theoracy homeboy,.. what Tehran does is a theoracy,.. the founding fathers have a cult personality here in the states,., can’t really blame them for having it since they literally defeated the British Empire.,,
"Why hasn't the USA gotten rid of the Electoral College yet?" Because when one party tries to do it the other blocks it on principle of "it's something the other party has suggested".
@Star Star because any third parties dont get many votes because there is no ranked choice voting, and no third party gets many votes, and so voting for a third party is basically the same as throwing away your vote.
This and other reasons too, such as the process and the requirements needed to register for voting and voting for various representatives in your state and local elections (this is an issue for many new voters and voters in general, since it's a long process and many voters aren't interested in educating themselves with the candidates who are representing their state and the local elections).
The shocking thing for me is that voting is a choice in America. For us here in Australia voting is compulsory and you can be fined for not voting. EDIT: To everyone in the comments, I am sorry if this offended you. I was just surprised and stating an opinion. I'm just doing it here because I do not have much time to respond to all the comments and I hate having to come off as rude. So, I apologise again and everyone please stay safe!
I think being forced to vote isn't necessarily ideal. Having both the ability to vote or not vote are equally valid, although i think voting is the better option personally, and overall. Perhaps an incentive for the states would be beneficially. I do think automatic voter registration at 18 and the ability for any and all legal resident to cast their vote would be better.
That's because forcing people to do things they don't want to do generally goes against the constitution. America was founded on the principle that people should be able to do whatever they want.
@@connort7308 I honestly think it should be compulsory. I just think that would create a more fair election. But then again, there are exceptions if someone can't vote.
nah, it depends on the electoral system. as the other commenter pointed out, places like Canada, India and the UK don't have direct systems either. Germany is... complicated, but in the end the number of votes compared to the number of people elected to the legislature is pretty close to proportional there.
Ranked choice voting would be the best option. But with how divided our country is, getting that to change will be hard. Moderates need to reject both parties and stand up. That’s how we get a real candidate we both agree on.
Watch 3:14, that's what matters. Each state has the power to actually influence the outcome of the election rather than only the states with largest population controlling the election.
@ pardon me, I'm not American so my American knowledge is nil, but since you said “imagine if only California and Newyork” determined presidents...well how is that any different from the selected states basically determined the elections right now according to the Electoral college? And in the first case, its a matter of population, while the latter seems a little arbitrary? Not here to fight, just confused.
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2:47 ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. They don't always get every electoral vote of that state. Under the District Method, a State's electoral votes can BE SPLIT AMONG TWO OR MORE CANDIDATES, just as a state's congressional delegation can be split among multiple political parties. As of 2022, Nebraska and Maine are the only states using the District Method of distributing electoral votes.
@@VickMarie someone sent it to me thinking it would change my mind for some reason. but I found entertainment in simpletons like you all in the comments who don't understand this is a republic not a democracy but nice try lol
I think it is also important to note that a popular vote would mean that the states with the largest population decide the president. The electoral college allows smaller states to have a larger impact on the national scale.
@@koshersa1t did you forget that the senate exists? Why shouldn’t the president be a national vote? The senate does exist. Why do you think particular states with less people than single cities matter more? Why should the minority rule?
@@koshersa1t did you miss the part of the video that shows most states have large republicans and democrats? You know California has the most republicans of any state.
The reason we have the electoral college is to allow more equal representaion of the minority and majority. That representation is what makes us a republic. If we had a popular vote system like other "Democratic" states, which we aren't, only the majority will have representation over the minority since the majority outnumbers the minority.
@@Dash101 that’s the only reason why people support the electoral college because Republicans would never win elections... they know it, we know it, everyone knows it. that’s why they were the first people to bring up wE dOnT lIvE iN a DeMoCrAcY
@@NicholasOrlick I’m neither Democrat or Republican. It’s hilarious how ignorant Vox and its followers are about why we have an Electoral College. It’s not a partisan issue, it’s based on principle. Sometimes the system is more important than your partisan squabble for ultimate power.
@It's Okay A fellow classmate did a speech for our english class last year about the electoral college and we all agreed that it was corrupted and the thing you said about democracy^
I live in the smallest state in the union, RI. I'd hate to always live by what the bigger states think. Usually, they're anti-law and anti-Constitution.
Constitution. You wanna make a better document, get some friends together, have a pizza party, make something up, and present it to the American people. Good luck.
At 2:51 it says that a candidate gets all of a state's electoral votes but that's not the case in Maine and Nebraska which use a proportional allocation system. Maine awards two electoral votes to the statewide winner and one electoral vote to the winner of each congressional district. Nebraska follows a similar approach, giving two electoral votes to the statewide winner and one electoral vote to the winner of each of its three congressional districts.
@@siononalundula1699 Ohio is strange, like Florida, but both for the past 4 elections have been in weird positions, so I guess we won’t see what they really are until a normal election
I learned about the Electoral College for the first time in school, as a seventh grader in 1999. I remember being shocked that it was theoretically possible for a candidate to lose the popular vote and yet win the election, something that, at the time, hadn’t happened in more than a century. Never did I imagine I’d see it happen twice in my lifetime!
@El Dimos Karam Americans who are all for popular vote don't understand the problem it brings with it. I am from India and it's the same problem. Distribution of resources is skewed. They are truly better off for having ec I think.
Our whole country of Mexico is run by one city, that's why there's now a movement (nortexit) to abandon the federal covenant from the northern states; they are tired of federal budget mismanagement and contributing a great percentage of it only to see very little back. America is so privileged to have an electoral college, please don't give it up; you'll cease to have a union.
Happened with John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson won the popular vote his first time running but lost the election. His next time running he won by a landslide just remember this is the same guy who supported the Trail of Tears and the destruction of Banks.
2:57 In 2020, the state that voted the most for Donald Trump(in terms of numbers) was California. You'd expect California to be a very liberal state, but no. California just governed by liberals. Out of the state's 53 representatives, only 11 are Republican. Both senators are Dems, Speaker Pelosi is from California and the vp is also from California. Despite this, California has a lot of conservatives... for now. Make a choice: High taxes, high energy costs, lots of business regulations California OR low taxes, low energy costs, business friendly Texas
Yeah, I guess California being the by far most profitable and productive state in the entire country, adding more to the US economy than like the poorest 20 states combined (a large majority of which are longtime GOP-run) is something we can conveniently overlook.
Hahaha!!! the democracy that when a republican shares their views, they get cancelled by social media. Meanwhile invading other countries in the name of democracy. Give me a break, wake up America
The long and short of it: if you’re a voter in Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida, your vote can tip the election. If you’re anywhere else, historically your vote isn’t going to make any difference.
But at 6:50 the video claims those states don’t actually matter and their disenfranchisement is the reason Trump won in 2016. Which makes zero sense because yes they are the reason Trump won but they certainly weren’t disenfranchised. If anything their votes were more important. I don’t follow the logic at 6:50
They missed the fact that the electoral college electors don’t have to follow their state’s popular vote. They are called faithless electors. Probably would have made their video too messy explaining that.
While the electors *could* decide to split their votes to fit the popular vote as best as possible, they don't do so, because that would make a lot of people living close to them very angry.
@@thomasadams8505 that's actually false. some *state* laws prevent faithless electors (with things like fines and outright cancelling the votes), and those laws have been upheld by the supreme court. but the constitution gives individual *states* the power to determine how their electors are chosen and used. several states agreed that they would award their electoral votes to whoever wins the popular vote. this is called the "national popular vote interstate compact" and as of november, it has been adopted by 15 states and DC. the rest of the states have yet to adopt this agreement.
I'm a Brazilian and don't know much about America's Election System, but what I think is more weird is the "winner takes all" rule, that simply ignore millions of people
"The winner takes it all" is a GREAT rule! Works PERFECTLY in Reality, among ALL beings. Only leftards are not capable to understand Reality as it is, where only STRONG ONES win. Leftards want to CHANGE Reality - so the WEAK would be able to rule above normal and strong.
Yeah, well duh. This whole thing is badly written and poorly organized which is why they had to make the little boxes flash so you'll know which 'they' she is talking about.
You’re watching Vox. It’s actually very, very simple: all you have to do is win the popular vote in most states to gain the most electoral college points. Our founding fathers didn’t want what would become mega states like 1. California, 2. Texas and 3. New York controlling alllllll the other states. But of course, Vox spends more time reminding you that America was racist than they do educating you.
@hatsune minecraft also, CA doesn't vote as a monolith. CA actually has more Republicans than any other state in the nation. Abolishing the electoral college would ensure their votes matter.
I think it is important to note that there are federal laws, which the president is elected to pass, and state laws which govern specific states. Like the senate, the elector college was created so the states with a large population could not easily impose laws on states with smaller populations, while congress was created to give the majority of the population a way to represent itself in the three branches of government. Honestly, it is not a good idea to bring up how the electoral college positively effected the south, it cause people to think biasly of the system of checks and balances. The United States government was created so no one person or group of people could take control of the country.
As an Indian, American elections have always seemed to be very complicated. Thanks to this video now I understand most of it. We follow the First Past the Post system. The whole country is divided into constituencies of almost same population & candidate with most votes wins a constituency. Finally the party with most such Constituency wins forms the govt.
do you think its any different than our Indian system??..I think NO!....In India too UP contributes 80 Loksabha seats and nearer to it is Maharashtra (48) still too far by 32 seats...though MH is more literate,industrialised,with good social records but it contribute less!...so are ,AP,TN,KA,GJ,GOA,KL,DL,UK,7 sisters.. ..compare to UP(80),BIHAR(39),RAJ,MP,WB. THE STRUCTURE OF INDIA MAY BE DIFFERENT BUT THE CONCEPT IS SAME...and therefore parties mostly focuses on UP,BIHAR,MH,MP,RAJ,WB....other states gets less relative share ...I think this system is flawed because it based on population...and totally ignore the factors literacy, liberalism, industrialisation, laws, woman safety, atrocity records, justice delivery velocity, FDI, Revenue structure etc etc...I think India should also place a new system...
@@ajitdhole7801 If you go by this logic then the Constitution shouldn't have granted universal adult franchise itself because then (in 1949) only 20% of Indians were literate and industries were concentrated in Maharashtra. This is flawed logic because the most basic & fundamental value of any democratic systems is that of Equality. Equality means everyone's vote has same value, no matter what. And that's a lot better, liberating and uplifting idea. Also it is a simpler idea with no ambiguity. If you try to bring Bihar at parity with Ap then you are treating a Bihari to being inferior just because he is poor or doesn't have industries. This is a very very flawed picture.
if u dont under stand think about it this way. lets say in the state of maryland, 3,000,000 people vote total. 1,500,001 people vote Red, and 1,499,999 people vote Blue. its a ONE person difference. so the state of MD is voted Red. those 1.49 million people who voted blue, all of their votes. are thrown out the window. and all 11 electoral votes for maryland are given to the republican party. even if its one person off, ur vote means nothing to them. Edit: and thank you guys so much for supporting my comment, usually i sound like a know it all and its nice to know im actually helping people
I just realized that if those votes were counted, it could still be a couple of points for certain candidates. Philippine elections is really different
0:31 in Germany we also don't vote directly for the chancellor but rather a local partyman who will then vote for the the candidate of the party. Most democracies in the world aren't direct democacies (meaning you vote directly for candidate x and only the popular vote counts). Many countries have a representative democracy where also a coalition of two smaller partys could outnumber the singular party with the most votes.
It’s not a direct democracy. It would be virtually impossible to have a direct/ true democracy in the United States. Rather, we have a Democratic Republic. It works.
Its not. The question is whether thats a problem. Im not even American, but understand and like ur system. People living in huge city’s think differently from ones on the farms. Or in a small village. In any straight democracy, the big city’s decide the vote. Its not as literally true as in the USA, but in some way votes in a small village don’t count in a straight democracy. The city will make sure of that. In other words, having underrepresented groups is a fact whatever system ur using, trying to make that whole mess a little more fair with the electoral college, i like the idea
@@samuvisser What you are saying is not true at all. It's not a city versus country issue, it's just states where there are roughly the same number of Republicans and Democrats. That's what causes them to 'swing'. All other people in states where one party usually wins, for practical purposes, doesn't exist. It's not democratic. Some people count a lot, others not all.
@@presidentialcampaignmusic1018 think about it this way. Say there were the United Countries of Earth. Should China and India always get to win out and effectively rule over European countries, just because more people live there? Of course not! The system exists to force candidates to appeal to all types of people, not just vote farm in Los Angeles and NYC
Fantastic video on this topic. I didnt have too much time to research this topic and just wanted to have some insight into it and it was explained superbly here.
@@leosanchez101 why so many absentee ballots coming in at once on election day anybody will see they are bougas put there by the left wing demos thihk G Murphy
No because that would destroy the whole purpose of states states exist to separately elected the government each state has senators each state has house members or (representatives) and each state has the electoral college to elect the president we can't have the popular vote decide it because the US is not one government it's a collaborative of 50 that each take a part in electing the leaders if it was the popular vote then how would each individual state even be taking a part in it.
Fact check: There are a few other democracies that use an electoral college system to pick their president! But what sets the US apart from them is the president’s role. In many countries, the president is less important than the prime minister, or shares power with the prime minister, or is purely a figurehead. But in the US, the president holds all the executive power - they’re the head of government AND the head of state. And there are lots of other presidents like that around the world, but they’re almost always elected by popular vote or by a national legislature. No other democracy follows the US’s example of using an entirely separate body of “electors” to pick the country’s sole leader.
Here’s a short article that explains it really well and has a nice map: www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/22/among-democracies-u-s-stands-out-in-how-it-chooses-its-head-of-state/
So no one really does it like the US does - but we definitely could have been more precise at 0:31. Thanks to all who pointed this out! -Adam
Executive is not legislative or judicial. Congress has more control than the president. What are you new?
We are the United States of America, and our states-starting with the original 13 colonies-are separate entities. It is understandably unacceptable to states with smaller populations to have their affairs decided by other states simply because more people live there. Suppose there were a United Countries of Earth. Would we like the idea of China (population 1.439 billion) and India (1.380 billion) running the show? (The U.S. has 331 million people.) Or would we want a leveling factor? - Marilyn Vos Savant
@@GH-yt7eg 1 person = 1 vote.
Why can't the electoral college votes be split according to the proportion of votes each candidate got? For example: If in one state 60% of people voted for Biden and 40% of people voted for Trump, 60% of the electoral college votes go to Biden and 40% go to Trump in that state. (Instead of Biden taking 100% of the electoral college votes). If this is how electoral college votes were allocated in every state, the national end result would more closely resemble the popular vote, whilst still keeping the electoral college in place.
@@NicholasOrlick its called the US election not the californian election.
It’s like every 4years they have to explain this to us
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@@tasawerkhankhansab7766 bro you are moving too fast.
@@asd545a hahaha very funny
But this was thought to us in school lol
Imagine if there was a simpler, more logical system of voting...
When I was a kid I though the electoral college was a college that people went to train for being president
The electoral college trains the people to be 'presidential' - sounds good, eh?
Same
You mean like law/business school?
That makes much more sense than giving random people ability to decide their government
I thought it was a collage in general 💀💀
Came for the electoral votes but learn the whole US History.
why do you refer to them as white southerners instead of Democrats?
@@julietteleidel3675 because they were referring to a demographic in a geological region and not the political party as a whole
hmm
no you didn't
God bless, Jesus loves you and died for you all
“In America, we do it a little… differently”
If that isnt the understatement of the century
Murica baby 😎
Electoral votes are allocated among the States based on the Census. Every State is allocated a number of votes equal to the number of Senators and Representatives in its U.S. Congressional delegation-two votes for its Senators in the U.S. Senate plus a number of votes equal to the number of its Congressional districts
The above statement is why democrat politicians want and need illegal immigration.
The more people in a district, the more electoral votes.
Its really so simple
@@justinsmith4157When were non registered people granted permission to vote in our elections?
@@richardgeorge2250 Hello Richard,
I am honestly not trying to be rude when I say that you need to do better when reading a statement and replying. I said nothing even remotely close to what you suggested. In fact, I stated my point very clearly. Allow me to try again....
The more humans (no matter what their citizen status is) in a district = more electoral votes.
Electoral votes are what determines the President.
Please read with an open mind and consider the simple words before you reply. Have a great day!
@@justinsmith4157 No
I love it when everbody gets excited about presidential elections, but as soon as its local elections for something that may actually benefit you sooner everybody ignores it
I always tell people this forget the president who’s your mayor and local congressman and neighborhood advocate that’s what really matters but even tho that may be rigged .
You gotta' point.
Why did you steal my sandwich ☹️☹️
Both matter (obviously) but I agree that they need to push the local elections more
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This is a terrible way to decide who becomes King of the Jungle
A great Grey reference
Queen Lion would not be pleased
Nice grey reference
Come on it's a jungle itself😂😂
It's actually not
I love how all of these election videos are sponsored by vodka, we’ll need it soon.
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Not even lying I was reading this post and got that ad
If Biden wins, yes
A Russian drink.
its called targeted ads because you dont use a vpn, old people dont understand how the internet works, i dont have any vodka ads, youre probably a drinker
When your state has more senators than representatives lol
@Derek Wotton No, some have 2 senators and 1 representative
At least it better than having more White House than representatives lol
@Derek Wotton The video literally gave Vermont as an example of a state that has one representative and two senators.
Alaska
*cough cough* Wyoming *cough* Vermont *COUGH* Alaska *cough* like 4 more.
Fun fact, in Texas there’s a ranch with the same size as the state of Rhode Island
would that just be my 2 acre back yard?
That is a fun fact, thank you for brightening my day
🤭🤣🤣
There are more horses in Wyoming than humans
Edit: misremembered the state. It’s right now lol
Pretty cool
Electoral College: “We were created because our founding fathers didn’t want the elections to be decided by 4 states”
Also the Electoral College: “the election will be decided to those who wins 4-5 swings states”
According to my research they made the electoral college to protect the minority
Americans as a whole should decide an election: not individual states. It is time to open a democratic system in America
@@1brickrow America has been a republic and the electoral college helps balance the power of city folk and folk who live in rural areas (which they are the minority).
Yes not two states N.Y.&California
@@atiermma why would you artificially add to the power of the rural/minority through an electoral college?
you can be elected as president with 21.9% of the popular vote... yea thats democracy...
CGP right?
USA isn’t a democracy. It’s a democratic republic.
@@brycepowell6639 define republic
@@brycepowell6639 define democratic
We aren’t a democracy
Voters in the U.S. : So, we get to vote for who leads our country?
The Electoral College: *Well yes, but actually no*
Usually they do.
True
It’s all an elusion to make American citizens feel like they have a choice. This was never a democracy. It’s an oligarchy.
Another way to put it is if you're a democrat in a Republican state, your vote doesn't matter.
The electoral college creates segregation. The u.s. is not a democracy
@@thewanderer281
Last time I checked, the name of my country was United states of America not United states of California and new york
Presidential candidates: Your vote matters!
Electoral College: Yesn’t
Pretty much!
@delta 4684 Especially since most states do a winner takes all system!
@@eleazaralmazan4089 practically Florida, Pennsylvania Michigan and Ohio are deciding the election
LOL
How. If not swing state. Doesnt matter
"Mom can we have democracy?"
"We have democracy at home."
Democracy at home:
Best comment here.
Because this country has always been a republic
Republics and Democracies arent mutually exclusive@@finnmertens4328
@@SimpleQuietLife Yeah uh
You think that is good?
@@finnmertens4328 Republics aren't inherently antidemocratic
I live in a Democratic Republic
"In america we do it a little different"
cracked me up hahahah
that sums up a lot of things
"In America we do not have real democracy"
@@nevermore9116 ppl always think “real democracy” is popular vote. It’s so annoying
@@nevermore9116 America is a flawed democracy.
"In america we do it a little diffrently"
What a underestimation.
*"...a little diffrently"*
No, most of the federal states chose their leaders the same way. They just do it through parliamentary elections, instead of a separate institution.
Just imagine that the senate appoints a president and you get an idea.
Watch 3:14, that's what matters. Each state has the power to actually influence the outcome of the election rather than only the states with largest population controlling the election.
Understatement.
@@JMK948 dude, you just made me comeback to this comment. Why tf did i say underestimation not understatement loll
"Its biggest defenders have always been those who benefit the most from it." - seems like every story from US
That is in fact true all over the world, but the US made the catastrophic mistake of, in many cases, letting the people who oversee these systems be the very ones who benefit from them. It's especially bad when it comes to gerrymandering, but there are so many examples of poorly thought out political systems in the US...
And its history is rooted in slavery and racism... Just like anything from the US basically
@@ginandromeda1618 I'd encourage you to read up on US history because this statement is highly inaccurate.
@Trvp Visuals yes a civil war over slavery, so obviously there were those who didn't appreciate slavery. You just proved my point.
@Jassinth Thiagarajah ~ Yep, we see that the NRA will Benefit the Most & Americas 2nd Amendment will Live forever!! GOD forbid!!
The REAL reason is because you cant get either party to agree on anything. even if they both want it, one of them will disagree just out of sheer spite and pettiness.
No to me republicans are spitefully don't get me wrong but if it's about power both are power hungry also the EC is a favor to the minority and whoever is in the minority will never give that power up and the majority can't stop them.
Dem or republicans. The one thing that is dif is the Republicans are more spiteful but that can change to one day tho that is largely besides the point both parties want power first and foremost
Both parties are run by billionaires and both barely have different policies just word of mouth is different. Dumby @@massmurdertron51
That was exactly Nancy Pelosi's strategy. (Which divides the country).
It's like rejecting the metric system wasn't enough they had to have the weirdest voting system.
Yep I dont know why we use a different system.
@@BBSleepIn Well voting by popular vote doesn’t really get an accurate picture of people all across the United States. Take for example California alone having more people than Canada. The urban areas have a huge population and usually vote in similar ways. The more rural voters would be constantly overshadowed by the urban voters if there wasn’t an electoral college
@@reaganhill7007 in such areas aren't you able to vote representatives that reflect your State or local make up.
@@tkhannibal2476 of course but I’m stating the population densities are hard to get over regardless of whether you are choosing your local representatives imo
@@reaganhill7007 A win by a popular vote would actually be a good thing. That would force both parties to change strategies and make both parties more centrist rather than radical right vs. radical left... everybody's interest would be heard just as loud without giving an advance to either the cities or the rural areas.
Everybody else in the world does it... and none of them ever complain that they need an electoral college lol
"Most democracies around the world elect their leader by popular vote" yeah that's called democracy
*direct democracy,the greek ekklesia, or "mob rule". Something that our founding fathers didnt want. Debated whether it was for good intentions or not till this day.
@@polkunus A direct democracy is a system in which the people vote for the LAWS, not their representatives. We'd still be a representative democracy and a constitutional republic if we changed or abolished the electoral college
Yeah, I’m not so sure a lot of these countries are “ democratic” many of them are in truth socialist.
they seem to think that democracy is bad
America is a republic
“The people? You cant trust the people”
-electoral college
Yes, this actually exactly the actual reason.
Democracy isn't at all even closely in actuality what people think it is.
The majority can be wrong.
The electoral college is a safeguard for if that happens.
@@vasilijnokhrin voz just wants mob rule and democrats to control everything and literally obliterate the Republican Party
Isn’t that a quote from CGP grey?
In a democracy not everything gets to be decided by a vote. Things that involve public safety and the well being of the population as a whole is not normally left up to the voters. Unfortunately, our elected officials are letting the voters decide in these matters. And this has set a terrible precedent that has jeopardized public safety.
That is in fact what Alexander Hamilton says about the reason for the electoral college, from Federalist Paper #68:
"the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations."
So your telling me that the election’s outcome is determined by the Florida Man? 😂
Haha
The craziest of the crazies come from Florida....
No, it's determined by you. If you're a California Democrats and you don't vote, thank you, Republican will win the states.
Just because Florida is usually the states that puts people through 270 doesn't mean the other 240 votes don't matter.
They do, ask Hillary and what happened to Wisconsin?
I am that Florida Man
I said the same thing. We’re DOOMED. Lol.
This is more like a board-game, play wisely if you want to an American President.
More like buy every media outlet, divide the country and mislead people into waging a war against each other.
@@myhouse5802 and mislead don’t forget that as well!
if its all about popular vote...democratic party would win alot more frequently, because more people live at eastern/western coasts and they are more inclined toward democrat over republican..
@@HaHa-kl3hx so are you saying that's why they still keep the electoral college so that it can be fair for the other states. Just asking im not from America
A classic game of the Risk board game.
Because of the electoral college and the way it is set up, unless you live in a swing state your vote does not count. Candidates only visit the states that can be swing and ignor all the others. I live in Illinois and my vote does not matter, the sate always votes blue. Just like a vote in Oklahoma doesn't matter since it always votes red.
actually Oklahoma does theirs like the house and you can get a split vote I think Maine does too.
@@eternityk6823 no thats nebraska
All people are equal, but some people are more equal than others.
.....and yet they say that the Indian's marriage concept is confusing.
George orwell
Straight from animal farm
For once someone quotes Orwell correctly.
Animal farms, a man of culture
somebody actually mentioned Vermont, I didn't know that was possible
Same🤣🤣 I forgot that was even a state.
I’m from Vermont and our votes don’t matter. No matter what Biden wins here
Lol I feel like I hear about it all the time because of Bernie Sanders and Ben and Jerry’s.
Connecticut on the other hand...
I just know what Vermont is due to me being in New England
Bonus points: Vermont is mentioned without it being about Bernie
Everything in this country is so complicated
on purpose and you know why
I guess the public education didn’t do its job
I don't think it's complicated - I see it as legalized racial marginalization.
There’s a method to the madness, while vox says that it makes it to where your vote doesn’t count as much, it really makes your vote count more, because mathematically if you vote on a smaller scale, you would be worth a larger percentage than if you voted on a national level. So your vote is worth more in every state, and then in order to win the election, the president has to win a majority of the states electoral votes. Although, personally I think every state should just be worth one electoral vote. That way every state is worth the same amount, and the president has to win a majority of the states.
Checks and balances.
"The US is the only country that uses one"
the vatican: am i a joke to you?
Does it?
I suppose there is a certain similarity with the Cardinals.
@@thestatkid5583 Yes, the cardinals elect one cardinal to be the pope and pope = leader
Germany and Pakistan also uses a form of Electoral College
the vatican't
I always laugh to myself when someone says voting day is the one day every American is equal.
It is, we all get a vote and an opinion. Don’t like it? Then don’t vote. (Even though I think every American should)
@@jessecheesevu3525 Bruh Did u even watch the video??
@@charliewalton3942 whole thing, people don’t want to admit it but it’s a good system. Used to be rigged to benefit white people but now it counts for everyone
@@jessecheesevu3525 but why should different people's votes matter more than other people votes?
@@drabberfrog because that’s how the electoral college works? It’s not a popular vote
the vodka sponsorship really makes this.
we're gonna need it.
He’ll yeh we will bruh
Fr lol
absolut.....ely
@@isaiahkvelez maybeeeeeeee....?
"...Abolut doesn't affect our editorial..." yeahhhh.... rightttt okayyyy lol
Honestly putting the candidates into the hunger games would be more efficient at this point
I can imagine Teddy Roosevelt beating up every candidate for each election.
Ikr
MMA fight.
It wouldn’t be very entertaining cause most of them are quite old and unfit
Oh no, we be seeing boxers swearing in office
this video is not explaining the electoral college, it should be titled “why we need to get rid of the electoral college”
well YES 💜
If only politicians actually cared about citizens...
Same
If only you all actually stopped voting for politicians
yep i dont really support either biden or trump but aoc is a real one tbh
Edgy
@@jeteveux344 nah aoc is pro choice so she wants your taxes so you’re money to go to killing babies and not giving them a chance at life
"presented by absolut" ah yes the only thing to get me through this election
I'm 100% sure the Founding fathers were on Absolut when they made the Electoral College.
That logo has such gravitas and authority...I mean, it ends with a period. It’s definitive.
I'm partial to Grand Marnier, frankly
Best Invideo Advertising Ive seen in a long time bhahahaha
Cheers, I'll drink to that bro!
There’s everyone else in the world then there is America...
No, most of the federal states chose their leaders the same way. They just do it through parliamentary elections, instead of a separate institution.
Just imagine that the senate appoints a president and you get an idea.
@@notknown1 China isn’t smart, neither is most of the Middle East.
yes
Most countries don't get elections
That is literally America’s motto. E Pluribus Unum. Out of many, one.
When I was a kid I use to think electoral college meant that colleges and college student decides the votes
You were basically a fool
that would honestly be better, letting the people who have actually studied and experienced many different things vote.
That’s a funny misunderstanding! The term “electoral college” can definitely be confusing at first. It sounds like it involves colleges, but it’s actually a group of representatives from each state who formally elect the president and vice president. As a kid, it’s easy to see how that could lead to the idea that college students are casting votes! It’s interesting how those early perceptions shape our understanding of political systems as we grow older. Did you learn about it differently as you got older?
Imagine if Trump wins the popular vote on election night and Biden wins the electoral college. That would be really awkward.
Maybe the electoral college can finally be gotten rid of then
@@KirkulesGames I wish, unfortunately without the support of 38 states at least, and a majority of the House and Senate, a constitutional amendment is impossible. Maybe if Trump loses the electoral college, but wins the popular vote, it would get the republicans to do a major flip on how they view the electoral college, crazier things have happened, but that would be such a major shift in American politics that I just don't see that happening. It would require that they see a major constitutional crisis happening, but so far they do not, or at least they are not seeing it correctly because we have one unfolding right now with the president attempting to steal the election.
@@KirkulesGames Yeah if it's not beneficial anymore to the Southern Senators they might not oppose it anymore.
Trump will not win the popular vote. It's not possible.
Hopefully, just the state of California alone would erase any possibility of that ever happening. It’s CERTAIN states that favor Trump...hmmmm, I wonder whyyyy(she says super sarcastically lol)
The electoral college legit makes the election play out like a weird strategy board game. That's fun and all for a board game but not for deciding the most powerful person in the country.
It's either that or have it like it is in canada where only 2 of 13 provinces get any attention
@@simonkoeman3310 yep, I hate it here in Canada
@@simonkoeman3310 Well that's also because these 2 provinces are home to nearly half the population of the country, and most of the time after the election, one of them become an afterthought and the country just focus Ontario.
@Sheima Ali I love the land, but the political system here is lacking
most powerful person in the world*
This sounds like a weird rule for a game...
@K Will Criticizing a system that can potentially have negative consequences isn't a bad thing. Other democratic countries adopted systems that values every vote, like in Canada-where I'm from.
If something can be done better, it's worth looking into.
I understand today is a huge deal for Americans. Best of luck to you all!
@K Will how is it TYRANNY when it’s each individual person voting??? Each vote should count equally! I’m tired of people in the middle of nowhere, Iowa deciding what happens to the rest of the more progressive population
@K Will wow! the irony. electoral college prevents tyranny because the states with most numbers would dictate states with smaller numbers? last time I check "tyranny" in a dictionary it was synonymous with "dictatorship" which do "dictates"
The number of likes tho. 🤷🏽♀️
K Will that‘s nonsense. It didn’t prevent tyranny and it wasn‘t successfully in that given that usa had slaves for a freaking long time. But that’s american education for y‘all, let‘s pretend the bad stuff didn‘t happen, if you don’t count them, then we‘re great!
Why is racism the explanation of all things in America?
Because racism plays a major part in American history.
Yeah but not a lot of rassisim in America anymore which make me
Happy
@@angrydad9740 there is still plenty of racism in America, as compared to other developed countries like Germany
@@common_undead well yeah against white people
@@common_undead although I have never experience racism
"In America we do it a little differently" could apply to so many stuff
@@PratyushSinghclassified sorry English is not my native language so i have the right to make every single mistake possible
@@marvit_bot just ignore him lol
Even native speakers make mistakes.
Plus you’re on the internet, not writing an essay to hand it
@@marvit_bot yes
@@cee_el thanks for the support guys😔✊
@@PratyushSinghclassified "it's my third language too" coherence where? u r a joke
The winner takes all system per state is by far the worst issue. Someone shouldn't win all the votes for a state if they get 50.01% of the vote for that state.
If the Electoral College goes away, state Borders must go away. We already have a popular vote. That popular vote in your state turns your state blue or red and then the state votes for the president. The reason this matters is because every state has a different perspective and deserve to be heard in order for a balanced decision.
@@r3vmixman bad take
@@r3vmixman this is the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard. There isn’t a single state that is entirely Democrat or Republican. The electoral college literally suppresses voters based on where they live and makes the whole process much more complicated than if we just use popular vote. This will make the Candidates better because they can’t rely on their state winning because of party.
Then why don't more states split their votes by congressional districts? It is a perfect compromise between the popular vote and the Electoral College
@@loganwolf1188 exactly. the electoral system discourages people from voting, except for the people living in swing states. but if you're a republican in calofornia or a democrat in alaska there is literally no reason to bother
The shocking thing for me is that voting is a choice in America. For us here in Australia voting is compulsory and you can be fined for not voting.
wowww
It's a choice here in the UK too, why do you get fined?
Worse still, in America, they think if they don’t vote they still have a right to complain. Sorry Karen, if you want change then you need to step up and vote!
woahh that’s actually kinda cool bc like doesn’t that push your people to stay in touch with politics and just overall become more involved? i honestly wish America had that same requirement.
😭😭😭Wow
I think removing the winner takes all rule will solve a huge chunk of this problem. What is the process to make that happen?
🇺🇸 election system is like 1+1=2 wrong. 1+5-1-4=1 correct.
God bless, Jesus loves you and died for you all
i mean it’s for the best
@@annyms5092 ok...
@@kristolball Maybe the "US foundations" aren't perfect? As a European I have to say the EC is an abomination.
@@annyms5092 stop spamming in every comment, mate go share what your mama and papa told you else where
After watching tons of vids about electoral college, my confusion came down from 99% to 96. Good job vox.
EXACTLY
If you haven’t seen CGP Grey’s videos on the EC already, I highly recommend them
Tell me about it
It’s really not that complicated.
@Jacob Soares what’s not this year?
Word SIMPLE exist.
America:- We don't do that here.
That's because simplicity, especially in the minds of human beings, is used as a substitute for knowledge.
It "simply" is not.
President election!
America : very serious...
Others : entertainment...
@@mnmz8393 are you high?
@@RallyOX are you worth discussing with?
😂😂😂
Get rid of the electoral college. Totally needless and problematic.
And, if I am not mistaken, the electoral can still decide to vote differently than what the state's popular vote dictated. They may be fined, but it is a slap on the wrist kind of thing with not real consequence.
It doesn’t really matter because it’s a tradition and all of them almost always are following this tradition
If they don't vote as they should they would have to go into hiding.
Those who voted against who they're supposed to can be replaced or have their vote invalidated, but that's according to state laws
@@juch3 no, nowhere in the constitution does it say that the representatives of that sate have to vote according to popular vote, the representatives are activated and can vote according to what they want.
The shocking thing for me is that voting is a choice in America. For us here in Australia voting is compulsory and you can be fined for not voting.
Moral of story: be a swing state
If you use the popular vote, the entire country becomes a swing state. (That’s a good thing.)
@@somebodysomewhere3451 No, because then at that point the states with high population densities would become swing states. i.e. New York with NYC and CA with LA, SF, SD
@@garrettord trump is leading the polls in California. Riots are starting already
@@garrettord California and New York combined do not equal over 50%. I don't want to hear anything when Texas turns blue then. You had your chance.
@@somebodysomewhere3451 Not the whole country.. States with larger populations would be electing the President for generations.
At least in the current system of swing States, Politicians are forced to campain on the smaller States, and the fact that swing States change every few election cycles.
So no, it is not a good thing by any definition, it's pure tyranny.
Presidential Candidates : Your votes matter!
Electoral College : *yesn’t*
Historical only white votes mattered and the electoral college was used to protect this. Very informative video.
Watch 3:14, that's what matters. Each state has the power to actually influence the outcome of the election rather than only the states with largest population controlling the election.
Your vote is not supposed to matter
@@RyzenShanks So your point is that STATES vote, not people. Which is exactly what OP's point was. So what are you even taking issue with?
@Kakashi Hatake Did you watch the video?
America is a Theocracy.
Not in the sense that Christianity rules the nation. But in the sense that a lot of americans worship the "Founding Fathers" as basically perfect, infallible human beings whose words cannot be wrong in any shape or form.
That ain’t a theoracy homeboy,.. what Tehran does is a theoracy,.. the founding fathers have a cult personality here in the states,., can’t really blame them for having it since they literally defeated the British Empire.,,
"Why hasn't the USA gotten rid of the Electoral College yet?"
Because when one party tries to do it the other blocks it on principle of "it's something the other party has suggested".
IKR, "United"States indeed.
Or maybe, just maybe, because 2|3 of the states won't approve such amendment.
@Star Star because any third parties dont get many votes because there is no ranked choice voting, and no third party gets many votes, and so voting for a third party is basically the same as throwing away your vote.
Don't forget that the founding fathers came up with it and they are the closest thing to living gods
@@owenb8636 Didn't they support slavery and other horrible things?
“The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.” - Donald J. Trump, November 6, 2012
You always hate a system, till you benefit from it. So yeah.
Humans are always like that.
its a disaster in general because its completely rigged...
@@Arthur19701 not everyone, just opportunists.
@@swaggerpass8903 yes it is rigged unless if the Russian hackers would manipulate the vote. 🤣
I’ll be back here in 4 years, around if not the same day.
remind me
aite
Look at Lebron man so beautiful
yee
GOAT
We're losing.... quick, change the rules. -Walz 2024.
“In America, we do it a little... differently”
One way to put it
Not really Different tho. It is based on a Republic. See Greek or Roman Government. It gave the most balance.
As with most things Vox, you should completely ignore this disinformation and go read originalist philosophy on the need for the electoral college.
ooooh democracy, u funny !
Better..fixed it
Who are u people taking about philosophy without knowing what you are talking about?? ....
This is why people dont vote and feel it doesn't matter.
The system was and is built for white Christians, sadly
@@ivana4638 No?
This and other reasons too, such as the process and the requirements needed to register for voting and voting for various representatives in your state and local elections (this is an issue for many new voters and voters in general, since it's a long process and many voters aren't interested in educating themselves with the candidates who are representing their state and the local elections).
Except that the electoral vote is based on the popular vote in the state
@@LoneWolf-uv2tc Yeah, it is.
The shocking thing for me is that voting is a choice in America. For us here in Australia voting is compulsory and you can be fined for not voting.
EDIT: To everyone in the comments, I am sorry if this offended you. I was just surprised and stating an opinion. I'm just doing it here because I do not have much time to respond to all the comments and I hate having to come off as rude. So, I apologise again and everyone please stay safe!
Lasagna is just Spaghetti Cake Do you think it’s a good thing that all Australia’s have to vote or would you prefer for it to be optional
I think being forced to vote isn't necessarily ideal. Having both the ability to vote or not vote are equally valid, although i think voting is the better option personally, and overall. Perhaps an incentive for the states would be beneficially. I do think automatic voter registration at 18 and the ability for any and all legal resident to cast their vote would be better.
That's because forcing people to do things they don't want to do generally goes against the constitution. America was founded on the principle that people should be able to do whatever they want.
@@connort7308 well democracy is based on fairness and freedom. forced voting doesn't sound like freedom to me :/
@@connort7308 I honestly think it should be compulsory. I just think that would create a more fair election. But then again, there are exceptions if someone can't vote.
There are lots of things the US does that nobody else does… it’s called freedom!
America really said *"I'm quirky and different."*
So does ur profile
Germany Pakistan Latvia South Africa and Madagascar: Are we a joke to you
These guys measure in feet, what do you expect?
‘If Voting Made a Difference, They Wouldn’t Let Us Do It’
Mark Twain
That's a good one. Did he actually say that? I refer to the movie 'trading places', when explaining how our two-party system works.
Woah thats deep man
For the state...
@@blank2588 Fact is that any presidential candidate not a Democrat or Republican doesn’t have a decent chance in the Electoral College
Did anyone notice on the graph that shows the support to remove the Electoral College, the line looks just like the US's border with Canada?
Remember, everywhere else the term for "the popular vote" is just "THE VOTE".
nah, it depends on the electoral system. as the other commenter pointed out, places like Canada, India and the UK don't have direct systems either. Germany is... complicated, but in the end the number of votes compared to the number of people elected to the legislature is pretty close to proportional there.
Ranked choice voting would be the best option. But with how divided our country is, getting that to change will be hard. Moderates need to reject both parties and stand up. That’s how we get a real candidate we both agree on.
Watch 3:14, that's what matters. Each state has the power to actually influence the outcome of the election rather than only the states with largest population controlling the election.
@ pardon me, I'm not American so my American knowledge is nil, but since you said “imagine if only California and Newyork” determined presidents...well how is that any different from the selected states basically determined the elections right now according to the Electoral college? And in the first case, its a matter of population, while the latter seems a little arbitrary? Not here to fight, just confused.
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for a country that values it's individualism so much it's pretty odd how an individual vote barely even matters
Who said America values individualism so much?
@@rivergamaya nice try
it does matter. the college vote for who won the popular vote in their state
Well think of it this way those swing states individual votes matter more.
@David Josephus Daniel Nuntius that is some real Southern logic you've got going there.
"To be honest with you, I do not understand the United States"
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American here. I don’t understand the United States either
@@ShimSladyBrand Same.
2:47 ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. They don't always get every electoral vote of that state. Under the District Method, a State's electoral votes can BE SPLIT AMONG TWO OR MORE CANDIDATES, just as a state's congressional delegation can be split among multiple political parties. As of 2022, Nebraska and Maine are the only states using the District Method of distributing electoral votes.
"...sponsored by Absolut" Yes, because no matter the result, we will ALL need a drink afterwards!
... Or beforehand
Absolute clear vodka filtered 9 times is my favourite vodka
@@cgsonic1968 or all of the above.
@@cgsonic1968 don’t forget during
I don’t know how people drink man honestly, every time I do I get a headache lol.
The fact that videos exist explaining how this system doesn't make sense every election says a lot.
America is the only one that needs a tutorial on how voting works LOL
It makes sense if you are not a simpleton
The electoral college is so 5 mega states don’t control the whole country. It’s the US election not the Texas, Cali and NY election.
@@AZ_YA_BISH I know how it works, but obviously you're here watching the video. You must be a simpleton then.
@@VickMarie someone sent it to me thinking it would change my mind for some reason. but I found entertainment in simpletons like you all in the comments who don't understand this is a republic not a democracy but nice try lol
But how are the electoral college chosen? The delegates I mean. Who are they typically? How long is their term?
The popular vote is just like the metric system. America will never use it even though it’s much more logical.
I think it is also important to note that a popular vote would mean that the states with the largest population decide the president. The electoral college allows smaller states to have a larger impact on the national scale.
@@koshersa1t did you forget that the senate exists? Why shouldn’t the president be a national vote? The senate does exist. Why do you think particular states with less people than single cities matter more? Why should the minority rule?
@@koshersa1t did you miss the part of the video that shows most states have large republicans and democrats? You know California has the most republicans of any state.
The reason we have the electoral college is to allow more equal representaion of the minority and majority. That representation is what makes us a republic. If we had a popular vote system like other "Democratic" states, which we aren't, only the majority will have representation over the minority since the majority outnumbers the minority.
@@areallyboredguy5825 It is tyranny of the minority
The electoral college will never be abolished until both political parties are regularly hurt by it.
Look up the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. It's almost done.
@@torik1583 It’ll never happen Republicans stand too much to lose if they get rid of the electoral college
Which will never happen. The Republicans wont be a viable threat without the system in place
@@Dash101 that’s the only reason why people support the electoral college because Republicans would never win elections... they know it, we know it, everyone knows it. that’s why they were the first people to bring up wE dOnT lIvE iN a DeMoCrAcY
@@NicholasOrlick I’m neither Democrat or Republican. It’s hilarious how ignorant Vox and its followers are about why we have an Electoral College.
It’s not a partisan issue, it’s based on principle. Sometimes the system is more important than your partisan squabble for ultimate power.
This just shows that the government does what it wants in America
@It's Okay A fellow classmate did a speech for our english class last year about the electoral college and we all agreed that it was corrupted and the thing you said about democracy^
I live in the smallest state in the union, RI. I'd hate to always live by what the bigger states think. Usually, they're anti-law and anti-Constitution.
Constitution. You wanna make a better document, get some friends together, have a pizza party, make something up, and present it to the American people. Good luck.
@@faustman1000 That's why you have a local government, a state senate, a state governor. Don't act like you're directly piloted from DC.
Yes the best country in the worlddd!!!
At 2:51 it says that a candidate gets all of a state's electoral votes but that's not the case in Maine and Nebraska which use a proportional allocation system.
Maine awards two electoral votes to the statewide winner and one electoral vote to the winner of each congressional district.
Nebraska follows a similar approach, giving two electoral votes to the statewide winner and one electoral vote to the winner of each of its three congressional districts.
"Swing states change overtime"
Florida: nah
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@@edgaradriantorres8564 Ohio is becoming a Red State
@@siononalundula1699 Ohio is strange, like Florida, but both for the past 4 elections have been in weird positions, so I guess we won’t see what they really are until a normal election
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There should be another civil war
@@retrodemogamer no
@@retrodemogamer i agree
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I learned about the Electoral College for the first time in school, as a seventh grader in 1999. I remember being shocked that it was theoretically possible for a candidate to lose the popular vote and yet win the election, something that, at the time, hadn’t happened in more than a century. Never did I imagine I’d see it happen twice in my lifetime!
@El Dimos Karam Americans who are all for popular vote don't understand the problem it brings with it. I am from India and it's the same problem. Distribution of resources is skewed. They are truly better off for having ec I think.
@El Dimos Karam the usa doesn't have 20 percent employment it has less than half of that
Our whole country of Mexico is run by one city, that's why there's now a movement (nortexit) to abandon the federal covenant from the northern states; they are tired of federal budget mismanagement and contributing a great percentage of it only to see very little back.
America is so privileged to have an electoral college, please don't give it up; you'll cease to have a union.
Happened with John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson won the popular vote his first time running but lost the election. His next time running he won by a landslide just remember this is the same guy who supported the Trail of Tears and the destruction of Banks.
Popular vote is dangerous! If more guys are in the USA they can vote that all woman walk around naked or else they go to jail so yeah bad idea
2:57 In 2020, the state that voted the most for Donald Trump(in terms of numbers) was California. You'd expect California to be a very liberal state, but no. California just governed by liberals. Out of the state's 53 representatives, only 11 are Republican. Both senators are Dems, Speaker Pelosi is from California and the vp is also from California. Despite this, California has a lot of conservatives... for now.
Make a choice:
High taxes, high energy costs, lots of business regulations California
OR low taxes, low energy costs, business friendly Texas
Yeah, I guess California being the by far most profitable and productive state in the entire country, adding more to the US economy than like the poorest 20 states combined (a large majority of which are longtime GOP-run) is something we can conveniently overlook.
America lecturing the rest of the world on democracy
Also America:
What kind of democracy that give you no other options than those two
@@mangakuota122 there's more parties but republican and democrat blocks them for some unknown reason.
Hahaha!!! the democracy that when a republican shares their views, they get cancelled by social media. Meanwhile invading other countries in the name of democracy. Give me a break, wake up America
I know it’s the cool trend now to hate on the electoral college but you realize it’s so big cities don’t rule the election, right?
I’ll be back here in 4 years, around if not the same day.
You can call it by whatever you want, except a democracy.
Youre right... its not a democracy
... thats by design. Pure democracy is mob rule
It's should be a republic. The US was never meant to be a democracy, but a free republic with a small and weak federal government.
Yeah we are a republic
Your right it is a Republic. Democracy is for mob rule. Read classical philiosphers like Socretes and Plato about why a republic is better.
Democracy is political ideology
Republic is political system.
The graph of support for replacing the EC is just a map of the US-Canada border
The long and short of it: if you’re a voter in Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida, your vote can tip the election. If you’re anywhere else, historically your vote isn’t going to make any difference.
Vote anyways
But at 6:50 the video claims those states don’t actually matter and their disenfranchisement is the reason Trump won in 2016. Which makes zero sense because yes they are the reason Trump won but they certainly weren’t disenfranchised. If anything their votes were more important. I don’t follow the logic at 6:50
Swing states change. That was another point. Cali used to be a swing state
@@ReaganThatcher I think you misunderstood the video, it said every state besides those ones get disenfranchised.
It will make a difference the more people like you encourage others to give up their power.
They missed the fact that the electoral college electors don’t have to follow their state’s
popular vote. They are called faithless electors. Probably would have made their video too messy explaining that.
While the electors *could* decide to split their votes to fit the popular vote as best as possible, they don't do so, because that would make a lot of people living close to them very angry.
The supreme Court recently changed that now the electors have to go with whoever won the popular vote in their state.
They also missed, that throughout history, several states have done split votes. Much like Maine and Nebraska do today.
@@thomasadams8505 that's actually false. some *state* laws prevent faithless electors (with things like fines and outright cancelling the votes), and those laws have been upheld by the supreme court. but the constitution gives individual *states* the power to determine how their electors are chosen and used. several states agreed that they would award their electoral votes to whoever wins the popular vote. this is called the "national popular vote interstate compact" and as of november, it has been adopted by 15 states and DC. the rest of the states have yet to adopt this agreement.
Basically your vote doesn't matter at all in the end. What a country America is 🙄
I'm a Brazilian and don't know much about America's Election System, but what I think is more weird is the "winner takes all" rule, that simply ignore millions of people
It's supposed to. It's designed to reduce the minimum required amount of effort to get reelected into the federal government.
@@baconknightproductions8297 it doesn't make sense and it's not fair in any way
@@BigRW I just replied to you on some other comment. Based on both comments you said, I’d guess you’re a Republican aren’t you?
"The winner takes it all" is a GREAT rule! Works PERFECTLY in Reality, among ALL beings.
Only leftards are not capable to understand Reality as it is, where only STRONG ONES win.
Leftards want to CHANGE Reality - so the WEAK would be able to rule above normal and strong.
@@Beleladje you're a troll 😂😂😂
Look how long it’s taking California to count ballots. Thank god for the electoral college
"Their biggest defender has always been those benefited the most from it"
Nooo waaayyyy
The people.
@@algorithmicalychallenged.291 you mean white america?
@@maxl2778 adorable...
What a twist!
Yeah, well duh. This whole thing is badly written and poorly organized which is why they had to make the little boxes flash so you'll know which 'they' she is talking about.
So dodgy. No wonder so many Americans didn’t bother to vote.
You’re watching Vox.
It’s actually very, very simple: all you have to do is win the popular vote in most states to gain the most electoral college points.
Our founding fathers didn’t want what would become mega states like 1. California, 2. Texas and 3. New York controlling alllllll the other states.
But of course, Vox spends more time reminding you that America was racist than they do educating you.
@@shecravesit7072 florida has more people than new york. But that doesn't seem to fit the point you're trying to make.
@hatsune minecraft also, CA doesn't vote as a monolith. CA actually has more Republicans than any other state in the nation. Abolishing the electoral college would ensure their votes matter.
Half the voters vote. That is higher than most other countries.
@@adinahwithkaden Lol, what point do you think I was trying to make?
Imagine If Presidential candidates cared about all states...
Is that a mythical legendary hero folktale?
Then trying to get popular vote would mean they travel almost nowhere
If it was purely popular vote then they would go to like 5 states.
@@Rock-sz9hn they already go to 5.
Thatd be. A dream
I think it is important to note that there are federal laws, which the president is elected to pass, and state laws which govern specific states. Like the senate, the elector college was created so the states with a large population could not easily impose laws on states with smaller populations, while congress was created to give the majority of the population a way to represent itself in the three branches of government. Honestly, it is not a good idea to bring up how the electoral college positively effected the south, it cause people to think biasly of the system of checks and balances. The United States government was created so no one person or group of people could take control of the country.
As an Indian, American elections have always seemed to be very complicated. Thanks to this video now I understand most of it. We follow the First Past the Post system. The whole country is divided into constituencies of almost same population & candidate with most votes wins a constituency. Finally the party with most such Constituency wins forms the govt.
Very typical Parliamentary system. Canada uses the same method.
do you think its any different than our Indian system??..I think NO!....In India too UP contributes 80 Loksabha seats and nearer to it is Maharashtra (48) still too far by 32 seats...though MH is more literate,industrialised,with good social records but it contribute less!...so are ,AP,TN,KA,GJ,GOA,KL,DL,UK,7 sisters.. ..compare to UP(80),BIHAR(39),RAJ,MP,WB. THE STRUCTURE OF INDIA MAY BE DIFFERENT BUT THE CONCEPT IS SAME...and therefore parties mostly focuses on UP,BIHAR,MH,MP,RAJ,WB....other states gets less relative share ...I think this system is flawed because it based on population...and totally ignore the factors literacy, liberalism, industrialisation, laws, woman safety, atrocity records, justice delivery velocity, FDI, Revenue structure etc etc...I think India should also place a new system...
@@ajitdhole7801 so you want system of one State one seat?
@@ajitdhole7801 If you go by this logic then the Constitution shouldn't have granted universal adult franchise itself because then (in 1949) only 20% of Indians were literate and industries were concentrated in Maharashtra. This is flawed logic because the most basic & fundamental value of any democratic systems is that of Equality.
Equality means everyone's vote has same value, no matter what. And that's a lot better, liberating and uplifting idea. Also it is a simpler idea with no ambiguity. If you try to bring Bihar at parity with Ap then you are treating a Bihari to being inferior just because he is poor or doesn't have industries. This is a very very flawed picture.
if u dont under stand think about it this way. lets say in the state of maryland, 3,000,000 people vote total. 1,500,001 people vote Red, and 1,499,999 people vote Blue. its a ONE person difference. so the state of MD is voted Red. those 1.49 million people who voted blue, all of their votes. are thrown out the window. and all 11 electoral votes for maryland are given to the republican party. even if its one person off, ur vote means nothing to them.
Edit: and thank you guys so much for supporting my comment, usually i sound like a know it all and its nice to know im actually helping people
Your comment sums up everything I needed to know. Thank you
Thanks you made it much easier to understand xD
So simple. Thank you.
I just realized that if those votes were counted, it could still be a couple of points for certain candidates. Philippine elections is really different
Ok now i get it..jeez
0:31 in Germany we also don't vote directly for the chancellor but rather a local partyman who will then vote for the the candidate of the party. Most democracies in the world aren't direct democacies (meaning you vote directly for candidate x and only the popular vote counts). Many countries have a representative democracy where also a coalition of two smaller partys could outnumber the singular party with the most votes.
when you’re from one of the states that doesn’t matter :(
I’m glad my state is solid blue
still go vote though!!!
I’m from New York we r overwhelming democrat. There’s literally no point in voting.
Terrible... it s awfull to know that your vote simply don t matter.
THAT VOTING SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE CHANGE!!!
Thats what will happen with popular democracy. A few coastal states with the largest cities calling all the shots.
How is it democracy if the person that people like is not elected?!
It’s not
It’s not a direct democracy. It would be virtually impossible to have a direct/ true democracy in the United States. Rather, we have a Democratic Republic. It works.
Its not. The question is whether thats a problem.
Im not even American, but understand and like ur system. People living in huge city’s think differently from ones on the farms. Or in a small village. In any straight democracy, the big city’s decide the vote. Its not as literally true as in the USA, but in some way votes in a small village don’t count in a straight democracy. The city will make sure of that. In other words, having underrepresented groups is a fact whatever system ur using, trying to make that whole mess a little more fair with the electoral college, i like the idea
@@samuvisser What you are saying is not true at all. It's not a city versus country issue, it's just states where there are roughly the same number of Republicans and Democrats. That's what causes them to 'swing'. All other people in states where one party usually wins, for practical purposes, doesn't exist. It's not democratic. Some people count a lot, others not all.
@@presidentialcampaignmusic1018 think about it this way. Say there were the United Countries of Earth. Should China and India always get to win out and effectively rule over European countries, just because more people live there? Of course not! The system exists to force candidates to appeal to all types of people, not just vote farm in Los Angeles and NYC
Fantastic video on this topic. I didnt have too much time to research this topic and just wanted to have some insight into it and it was explained superbly here.
0:55 Very funny to see that the line graph forms the shape of the United States-Canada border. 🇺🇸🇨🇦
Yes! even I thought of that, but I thought nobody realized it
Same omg, I thought I was the only one
@@saiabhinavavasarala6704 they are Americans, they know. U are indian, how come u know.
@@mitesh2k3 because they are educated🤣🤣🤣
@@mitesh2k3 It doesn’t matter what nationality you are. What truly matters is the amount of educational experience you have.
“We do a things a little different”
You don’t say...
Just like with the metric system!
America sus
k kool lol
@Jordon Carlson we didn’t give up. We learn both in school too
@@ilikelebronjames6426 then why don't you give up!!! The one which nobody else uses!!! What the heck is your obsession!
America - the Florida of the world!
Dang!
Florida - the America of the....... America!
Hahaa
@@jagan_1975 lol
@@leosanchez101 why so many absentee ballots coming in at once on election day anybody will see they are bougas put there by the left wing demos thihk G Murphy
The President SHOULD be elected based on POPULAR VOTES, NOT electoral college!
No because that would destroy the whole purpose of states states exist to separately elected the government each state has senators each state has house members or (representatives) and each state has the electoral college to elect the president we can't have the popular vote decide it because the US is not one government it's a collaborative of 50 that each take a part in electing the leaders if it was the popular vote then how would each individual state even be taking a part in it.