Mass Effect 2 Urdnot Wreav (including the various scenarios) 1080p
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- I was a great fan of both Urdnot Wrex & Wreav in ME1 & ME2. I see Wreav being on par with Wrex in terms of intelligence and wisdom. Even though they both hold to different views. Big fan of the Krogans!
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Sadly in ME3 they decided to butcher him and made him completely unintelligent and even chose an entire different Voice Actor. Jim Cummings voiced Urdnot Wreav in ME2. Roger L. Jackson voiced ME3 version of Urdnot Wreav. I know on the Mass Effect fanpage wiki it list Jim Cummings voicing Wreav for ME3 but that was not the case. I got in touch with the developers at Bioware, they confirmed it was Roger L. Jackson who voiced Wreav in ME3. Why they chose a different VA is very questionable just like how they decided to choose a different VA for Mordin Solus in ME3...
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I actually kinda like ME2 Wreav. He seems wiser here. Mass effect 3 makes Wreav look like an idiot brute who thinks with his gun instead of his head.
@@TheDestati Admittedly, I can kind of understand the idea of Wreav as being someone who doesn't handle power well and lets it get to his head. Which coupled with his belligerent and xenophobic attitudes towards non-Krogan sets up potential problems in future.
@@TheDestati For sure, and Bioware has given us examples of flawed rulers before: such as Lord Harrowmont in Dragon Age. The guy is a nice person but a terrible king.
Wreav is a good example of someone who'd probably be an awesome squadmate but probably shouldn't be ruling over a planet.
Though sometimes I do wish that like... it wasn't a clear-cut choice of good vs. evil so much as just two people with very different visions.
So imagine a scenario where Wrex surviving means that the Krogan get united under a more reformist leader who wants to change the Krogan, whereas uniting them under Wreav unites them under a traditionalist who wants to maintain the old ways of the Krogan.
@@HellqueenRoz I mean, Wreav is pretty much that. After you cure the genophage he basically immediately goes back to what the Krogan were doing pre-war.
And likely ends up at the same point that his ancestors: dead.
A spacial era in which you're co-existing with multiple species with their own culture is not a time to be rigid to the point of extintion.
He calls reformists radicals and doesn't care at all about his brother's death other than the fact it paved his way for power in "Mass Effect 2". How is this being wiser ? He was always an idiotic brute, just like his sorry excuse for a father.
@@TheDestati yeah. Could had been a renegade or paragon where if you didn’t convince Wreav to back off on Mordin then he probably would had died or at least not make it out from Kalros. They were brothers for gosh sake.
Cannot believe that this guy is the voice of Winnie the Pooh.
@@TheDestati As you mentioned in your description, it's a real pity that he was turned into a jackass in ME3. I can imagine that Wreav and Wrex did hate each other but still held respect for one another, both understood each other's ideals but each saw a different thing. I could go on and on about how Wreav could have been written better to make him seem more like how he is seen in this video, someone who is reasonable but very conservative and traditionalist yet still open minded enough to see the benefits of a suggestion if you make a good point in the argument about it.
@@TheDestati The writing was completely rushed and they absolutely had no idea what made the series great to begin with. It's a pity, but on the bright side, it serves as a warning of what not to do
@@TheDestati indeed, really sad but I keep hope that some companies keep up the good craft as it should.
I was today years old when I found that out. I've played the series through and through multiple times and NEVER knew that.
And Tigger, too!
First time seeing Wreav in ME2 via this video. I'm shocked how different he is compared to the third game, could've fooled me into thinking that this is a different krogan with a simple name change as this Wreav doesn't appear to me as the same one in ME3 in his behavior and personality.
People (rightfully) complain about how The Illusive Man was reduced to a generic cartoon villain in ME3, but holy shit Wreav got that even worse! This version of Wreav is actually likable and charismatic. He comes off as wise and well respected, about intellectually on par with Wrex but with a more traditional attitude. The Wreav we got in ME3 was just a bumbling brute and huge douche bag.
I love ME3, but I agree, some characters are straight out of a Saturday morning cartoon with their behaviors. Terrorists or autocrats in real life don't act like Wreave.
And han gerrel too. He was the nice guy who sided with tali. Mass effect 3 makes a psychopath who tries to take down a geth dreadnought WITH YOU AND TALI IN IT! And all of a sudden koris is based unlike in me2.
@@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117well to be fair Han Gerrel and Tali had the same view on geth in mass Effect 2. A complete genocide. So ofc he take Tali defense because he knew that if she became admiral the war will be on his favor. Tali changed the view on geth on the third game so for him she was a problem and that's why he's more a piece of shit with her. That doesn't justify the dreadnought attack while tali and shepard where still on the ship, especially if Tali is an admiral and he should have been put out of command after that.
Koris is the opposite
@@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117 we should remember that the admirals in ME2 had their own agenda, their opinions about Tali were influenced by that mostly
Ignoring the different voice actor, this is... a very different Wreav than Mass Effect 3 gave us. Here he's conservative and traditional, but cunning and willing to adapt every so slightly if it tips the scales of power in favor of Clan Urdnot. Whereas in ME3 he was just written as a brutish, piggish, obnoxious, and jerkish thug
Agreed, I don't know why they made Wrex and Wreav such polar opposites in ME3; both of them should've been different shades of grey when it came to their viewpoints, as opposed to them just simply having black and white character traits and views. In fact, now that I think about it, they ruined a handful of characters in ME3.
@@TheDestati Even Udina and Illusive Man. Yes, Udina was a pain in the ass, but he had good intentions and fought for the right reasons. Come ME3, all of a sudden he's part of the Citadel coup and it isn't even explored nor explained why he allied with Cerberus. Bioware just made him a bad guy that you can kill just because he was a dick to Shepard on multiple occasions.
With Illusive Man and Cerberus as a whole, they've been reduced to Saturday morning cartoon villains. I loved how TIM in ME2 was a calculating, results at all costs kind of guy who had questionable methods of stopping the reapers, but still had the same goals as Shepard; come ME3 he's just a generic villain who is power hungry for most of the game, and is pretty much Saren-Lite by the end.
Bioware had a golden opportunity to capitalize on so many characters that had shades of gray to them, but instead cheaped out on it.
While he's not popular, they even did a character assassination on Jacob. He stated in ME2 that he doesn't want any kids as it wouldn't be fair to the child, come ME3 he conceives a child in the middle of a reaper invasion; not to mention that cheating on Femshep is way out of character for him.
@@TheDestati I couldn't have said it better myself. ME3 was clearly a rush job, and there was no way that the final product was what was originally intended for the final chapter of the trilogy. I know the ending was terrible and the writing is mediocre in some places, but there are loads of reasons why I consider ME3's SP campaign the worst out of the trilogy. I could be here all night listing reasons why ME3 as a whole was such a disappointment, but my main gripe which you already pointed out was the treatment of ME2 characters. ME3 has the worst squad selection, and was such a huge letdown.
It just so happens that *every* squadmate that was introduced in ME2 had a reason to not join Shepard once again on the Normandy... okay then. I wasn't expecting all the ME2 squadmates to return, but we should've at least gotten 2-4 of them:
- Not having a Krogan on the team was just wrong. I liked James, but he's pretty much a cut and paste of Grunt. Grunt called you his battlemaster, and pretty much stated in ME2 he'd follow you to the ends of the galaxy as long as you bring him worthy enemies. Grunt was never a leader, but all of a sudden in ME3 Wrex/Wreav put a 6 month old Krogan with barely any experience to speak of to lead a squad of his own with Aralakh Company.
- Miranda+Jacob should've joined Shepard on the Normandy. Having them clash with Kaidan/Ash for being ex-Cerberus would've been so interesting, and I can imagine how awesome it would've been to have them storm Cronos Station with Shepard. I understand that Jacob isn't popular, but Miranda who was the poster child for ME2 deserved better.
- Jack... there is no way in hell that Jack was always intended for a 5 minute cameo. You mean to tell me that Jack got a massive redesign for her model for just a 5 minute cameo? I'm not buying it for a second, because it's painfully obvious that Jack was initially intended to be a fulltime squadmate during development, and was ultimately cut out due to time constraints. Miranda played a much larger role and had more screentime compared to her, yet she has the exact same model minus the Cerberus logo on her chest. Plus Jack has the 2 illuminated lights on her jacket and one on the back of her pants where weapons would usually be holstered like any other fulltime squadmate would. Why would she have those if we never see her fire a gun once? Plus if you have the collector's edition, she's even featured in the art book showing her redesign sketches. It's fishy...
- Legion definitely should have rejoined us just for the fact that we barely got to use him in ME2.
Don't even get me started on the treatment of ME2 romances being brushed over in ME3... (dancing with Jack?!)
I love both Garrus and Tali, but come on: if Garrus the advisor for the Turian army can abandon Palaven's moon in the midst of the reaper invasion, and Tali the Admiral/Advisor can abandon her people, then Grunt can rejoin you after dealing with the Rachni, Jacob can actually be useful after rescuing the ex-Cerberus scientists instead of just watching them build the crucible, Miranda can help you combat Cerberus on the Normandy, Jack can leave her kids with Sanders, and Legion can rejoin you in battling the old machines.
Hell, we were supposed to get temporary squadmates and Thane was actually confirmed at one point. I actually would've been fine with this, because it would've been a hell of a lot better than what we got. Miranda could've teamed up with us on Horizon and then Cronos station along with Jacob (seriously, Miranda gives no explanation on why she doesn't join you after Horizon), Wrex and Legion could've easily been temporary squadmates during their stay on the Normandy, all of the ME2 squadmates could've been temporary squadmates during their side missions in ME3.
People tend to blame the suicide mission because everyone has a chance of dying, but last I checked Garrus and Tali were among those that could die as well. If they could program them to appear as squadmates in ME3, then they could've programmed everyone else as well; Miranda really bugs me because she was the hardest to kill off. What really irks me is that people actually defend this crap by saying that they don't want to waste resources by programming someone from ME2 as a squadmate in ME3 because they could be dead, hence not appearing at all in ME3; which is fucking stupid because what's stopping you from doing another playthrough where you can have them survive? I mean with that logic, the Citadel DLC is a waste of resources with the Armax Arena. I mean the rest of us that made the right choices have to suffer because some of those got their squadmates killed? Give me a break. The suicide mission wasn't even that hard, you practically had to go out of your way to have people killed since it was all common sense. Having EDI as a squadmate was stupid as hell as well, and it just felt like a cop out to not put in the work to program another ME2 squadmate in ME3.
ME3 needed waaaaaaay more development time as it released only 2 years after ME2. I didn't mean to go on a long rant about the treatment of ME2 squadmates, but when it comes to this particular issue, it's what pisses me off the most about ME3. At least we got the best DLC in the series aka the Citadel DLC to make up for some of this; it also proved that Bioware could've made ME2 characters squadmates again in ME3 if given the proper amount of time. /endrant
@@TheDestati I know! Earth was so Goddamn boring compared to the first 2 games, it was so disappointing. We never see our assets (which we spent the whole damn game collecting) in action, and we always get the same old couple of pre-rendered cutscenes here and there. There are actually videos here on TH-cam of cut dialogue of Grunt, Jack, Jacob, and Zaeed fighting on Earth!
Grunt: th-cam.com/video/KMgonVe5XrM/w-d-xo.html
Jacob: th-cam.com/video/umEDng9bSOE/w-d-xo.html
Zaeed: th-cam.com/video/uPJ_QsIVOD0/w-d-xo.html
Jack: th-cam.com/video/k_AK6vz4_bM/w-d-xo.html
Bonus Geth Prime London dialogue: th-cam.com/video/uwIbvWC7qh0/w-d-xo.html
Hell, I even heard that in the London files of ME3 contained Jack and Jacob's combat taunts and shouts from ME2. We should have had the option to choose any squadmate, past or present that was alive to fight with us for the final push. It should've been like the suicide mission where we can choose tasks for our assets.
I agree, I always thought Jack becoming a teacher was so goddamn stupid and out of character. Like why would a military organization like The Alliance trust someone who clearly has psychological issues with biotic children? I understand that Jack has to grow at some point but this is too much. She should've been Shepard's ride or die.
Thane temp. squadmate: gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/995452-mass-effect-3/60573063
"The whole point is replay value? That’s the whole point why ME1 and ME2 was great. They replay value. Ever herd of Paragon and Renegade playthroughs? Last, I remember, there was a reward given to players from an ME1 save file transferred to ME2? And if you transferred ME1 and ME2 to an ME3 (which I always did) you get greatly rewarded?"
EXACTLY!!!! REPLAY VALUE!!!! THAT'S THE POINT! I wish these shills would understand this and actually think about this instead of just willingly accepting what was given to them and us in the end product. What makes ME3 so goddamn disappointing is that almost every playthrough is the exact same no matter what previous choices you made in ME1 and ME2: Udina is always counselor no matter who you chose in ME1, there's always a rachni queen (clone or not) if you chose to spare or kill her in ME1, and Illusive Man still manages to salvage the whole freaking human reaper regardless if you saved the base or destroyed it to the point of seeing everything getting vaporized. Monumental choices are just an afterthought. Hell, even Shepard's backstory and military record is brushed over: I'm not saying it should have a massive role in the overall story, but why the hell does my Renegade Spacer Shepard care about Earth so much, and is so easily offended by Joker's Asari dancer quip after Thessia?
I agree with your Tuchanka point: we got so many variables from the previous 2 games that had such a large impact, *that it should have been like this for the whole damn game!!* Wrex alive, Mordin alive, data destroyed; Wrex alive, Mordin dead, data saved; the possibilities are grand! In fact, Mordin's loyalty mission in ME2 in regards to the data had such a huge impact to the point where it decided Eve's fate, and if Wrex was either trusting of you or was very hostile towards you during his time on the Normandy. Where the hell was this level of variations for the rest of the game, especially in the final mission?! I always felt that after the Tuchanka story arc, the game just fell apart afterwards. It also bugged me that Ash/Kaidan missed out on Tuchanka and their reunion with Wrex :(
I loved Liara in the first game, but I came to despise her by ME3. Maybe despise is too strong of a word, but she was just flat out annoying with the amount of times Bioware kept shoehorning her in every scene, and pushing their agenda of having her as the main love interest. She always got all the special scenes as well. The whole appeal of this series was that there was no canon: the Mass Effect canon was whatever it was you wanted it to be, but by ME3 it felt like I was playing as someone else's Shepard.
Amazing discussion. Lol. I saved the video just to read this.
Small trivia Michael Dorn (Worf of Star Trek TNG) voiced Gatatog Uvenk.
Jim was definitely dipping into the Robotnik tones when he did this Wreav.
I like how calculating he is, and his disappointment that OKeer is dead. His motivation to add Grunt mainly as a power play for ending OKeer is pretty slick.
I love how Uvenk is still treated like a nuisance with or without wrex being alive.
As someone who had to play without the option to save Wrex (1 wasn't on PS3 yet), Wreav is honestly underrated. Sad he got so downgraded in 3.
@@TheDestati Yeah ME3 has been simplified on some points, all the good characters of ME1 and 2 were written very poorly. Either poor writing or wasted potential, they couldn't handle the ambition of their own choices' consequences throughout the trilogy. With Wreav they're trying so hard to make the krogans look bad, forcing the player to feel no remorse about that race, while Wrex is presented as the "only hope".
@@TheDestati I actually thought about quoting Ashley as an example in my previous comment lol
I learned to like Ash in ME1, I liked how close-minded she was and how you discover the reason why. In ME3 it's your average woman from blockbuster-action movies where she's just badass but boring, she's really transparent (even more than ME3 Kaidan). But clearly, you pointed that out, the scene with Udina is absurd knowing Ashley's psychology in ME1 ("that's why i hate politicians"). Too bad Kaidan and Ashley are reduced to be the same boring character, just like the ones who replace Wrex/Mordin/Tali/Legion to keep the plot in bay.
ME3 feels like you're watching the developers' version of their story all along, always have difficulties finishing it when i replay the trilogy
@@TheDestati ME3 was a mess, there's still details i like but the game itself fails to deliver a true ending to the trilogy. The game's been rushed, Jaavik who becomes a simple dlc eventhough he was supposed to play a major role in the plot (plot that got leaked on the internet), a lot of ideas for the ending on earth with the crew from ME2 (being on the normandy and part of the crew) that got ditched.. Drew Karpyshyn also left after ME2 so that explains a lot.
I didn't understand why the 3rd was so focused on Earth, the fact that the Citadel is brought to earth by the reapers kinda make the things too forced. Not surprising when you know we were supposed to come back to Ilos
Liara didn't bother me that much, it makes sense that she's "important" considered her role as the shadow broker, one of the original teammate, love interest of Shepard... She grew up around Shepard and you see her evolution, she's also the reason Shepard was saved by cerberus. Not to mention she's the fan's favourite, I can agree it's a shame they're forcing with her because of that. Definitely not the worst character
How did Wreav go from polite and sensible in this game, to stupid and jerkish in the third?
of course the character that wants tradition...MUST be dumb and loud.
Can't have a cool traditionalist that makes you sympathize.
He calls reformists radicals and doesn't care at all about his brother's death other than the fact it paved his way for power in "Mass Effect 2". How is this being wiser ? He was always an idiotic brute, just like his sorry excuse for a father.
@@sasakelala3360 Traditionalists and conservatives ARE dumb and loud.
@@BenDaGoat you just had to bring politics into this did you?
@@ultimategohan1551 The whole game is about fucking politics.
It is such a shame that he was done dirty for ME3, seeing how he is in this game, I could see how sabotaging the Genophage would be an easier solution, and I don't doubt Eve would agree on that but would implore you to at least talk to him and see if you can convince him to consider listening to her. Actually playing some politics and see about finding potential ideas that would benefit him in the long run, which I don't doubt would sway him into playing nicer if it benefits him. Wrex doesn't care if it doesn't benefit him on a personal level, as long as it does to his people, but Wreav needs to be convinced on a personal level, but it shows that he isn't unreasonable, granted, he is 100% selfish, but not blind.
I really like ME2 Wreav, I think they made him too much a bloodthirsty monster in ME3. In ME2 he seems like strong leader but still level-headed at the same time
I'd argue that what separates Wreav from Wrex is their end goals.
Wrex wanted peace. And to get that peace he had to go against tradition. Wreav wanted power. And to get that power Wrex needed to be out of the picture.
Although Wreav seems a lot more subdued in this game than he does in 3. Also, a lot less intimdating. Here he sounds like an old man.
@@TheDestati Okay, but the dialogue Wreav gives to both Grunt and Eve comes off as similar. He sees them as pawns to secure his right to rule the Krogan and Tuchanka.
Wrex, on the other hands, treats both Grunt and Eve with a form of respect, and wants to secure a proper future for the Krogan.
@@TheDestati They are still different krogan at the end of the day. Wreav shows to some extent he wants to dominate in ME2. Maybe not to the same amount as he does in ME3, but Wreav still wants power and sway over the krogan
@@TheDestati Wrex isn't that open because he doesn't know you that well. And when you get his family armor, it becomes much easier to convince him on Virmire. And in ME3, he only tries to kill you if you sabotage the Genophage cure, which would render his people to extinction!
I disagree.
Wrex wanted his race to be restored...by producing as many new Krogans as possible via reproduction.
Instead of war, he understood they need a time of peace, to procreate as much as possible.
HOW the future will look like AFTER they have trillions of Krogan again is a different matter.
You can see a glimpse of that by one of Wrex's comments in ME3 on Tuchanka. He says something along the lines of "...and we will get a few new planets for our many new Krogans from the Council (aka the other races)". I felt this comment was not a joke but something of a veiled threat. Frankly, if a player would be less naive and hopeful about the world, they would realize that Krogans are a damn creepy alien race: Living extremely long, love wars, can reproduce extremely strongly, are hard to kill, want to colonize and branch out.
@@sasakelala3360well said
i think it was a shame how this character ended if you keep wrex alive, they should have let him live so there would have been a stronger argument for sabotaging the genophage with wrex
@@TheDestati Well, if you killed the thresher maw during the Rite of Passage, you will hear other krogan on Tuchanka speaking Grunt´s name with awe and adoration. And understandably so. He is the first to kill the thresher maw since Wrex and his krantt did it centuries ago. If you are assembling an elite military unit, the strongest fighter of the last few centuries would seem like an abvious choice for a leader.
@@TheDestati What are you talking about? We don’t see the “wisdom” of Thurak _at all_ just because he’s older, and what exactly do we know is amazing about him? his dialogues solid I won’t argue that but he’s barely present for a single scene if wreav is in charge and the only “wisdom” he imparts is that “I’m older than all of you, my clan is older than yours and I know we can’t trust salarians” _thats it_ period.
As for grunt it’s pretty clear the Krogan idea of rank and leadership isn’t just a copy paste of human army/marine protocol. Aralakh company didn’t even _exist_ until wrex (or wreav if wrex is dead) made it himself, it’s not some old military branch with centuries of tradition and decorum behind it. It’s a new select combat unit composed of various clan representatives. If wrex is alive grunt tells you that he put him in charge because he wanted the group to have a leader that represented the future of their species, meanwhile if Wreav is in charge it’s mentioned that he appointed grunt as leader mainly because of his strength.
For the background of Arlakh company itself as a war asset we get this information masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/War_Assets/Krogan#Aralakh_Company :
_“Aralakh Company is made up of krogan from all over Tuchanka, each chosen for their strength, ferocity, and fighting experience. No krogan community would dream of sending anything less than its finest warriors to represent their clan. The honor of who's to be chosen for the company has started more than one brawl. Aralakh Company is led by Grunt, a genetically engineered "perfect soldier" who fought the Collectors with Commander Shepard. While young, the krogan has survived such brutal battles that the older warriors of the group have begrudgingly accepted his command. Grunt was appointed representative of Clan Urdnot in addition to becoming head of Aralakh Company, a political appointment not lost on the other clans. Grunt sees this new position as the first large victory he has won on his own--the respect of his people is difficult to come by”_
Essentially grunt was appointed for Urdnot as a representative and leader of Aralakh company because of his unique fighting experience that even the older krogan respect. The fact that he’s tank bred and thus technically younger than his peers is rather irrelevant in that way his attitude and actions are what matter more to the krogan when it comes to status (especially since he’s already completed his rite and earned his adult standing). He has notable skill in combat, a knack for leadership and cares about his unit.
It's a shame Wreav lost some of this nuance in 3. Still would have betrayed him though.
Wreave is so different in Mass Effect 3. Here, he is so calm and not ruthless like in 3rd one.
@@TheDestati honestly , me2 is not what me1 was. ME2 and me3 destroyed everything that me1 was
@@TheDestati me2 is easily the weakest tittle in the trilogy , both narative wise and world building wise.
all it does well is character building , and id argue that half the characters were boring af anyway
@@TheDestati at the time...yes. but in retrospect , with the legendary edition out , its the weakest , as i said.... both in terms of worldbuilding , narrative and combat now the legendary upgraded me1.
all it does decently well is character building with dedicated companion missions.
This feels so weird to watch. It's like the audition for the real scene where you meet Wrex and ask him the same questions
“We were born of the same female” 😂😂
despite the fact that wrex and eve are the best leaders the krogans could ever hope for, it isn't insured that their legacy of diplomacy and unity will prevail over the generations. with the genophage cured and wrex and eve in power the krogan population will explode like after the rachni wars with the council giving them dozens of colonies for their thanks, and the krogan rebelllions will begin once more. But that's just wild speculation the reality is that i could never bring myself to kill wrex in ME1 or 3 so i'm watching this video to find out what this wreav dude is all about.
Maybe they can implement some kind of birth control. Like limiting who can have children or something like this. Wrex and Eve know that some kind of action to control the population must be taken if another Krogan Rebellions is to be avoided. Or else, this time the galaxy will have no choice but to wipe the Krogan race from the face of the galaxy like they never existed. Like it happened with the Rachni.
Ákos Králik yeah the salarians do something similar, they have a similar style of reproduction and birth where one female lays a lot eggs. Although the krogan are very different, they could easily copy the salarians
@@dawski4697 the genophage was the Salarians idea of a birthcontrol for the Krogan. clearly they were not okay with that. But maybe the Krogan must be kept in in this state of constant turmoil. It is their hardship and struggle that makes them who they are and the first and last line of defense in case of an extragalactic invasion. A Krogan should be on the council at all times though. Imagine if the Krogan was a councilrace in ME1, they would have responded to the Reaper threat immediatley and bully the other councilmembers into following them:
Shepard's meeting with the council after he went MIA, reporting the collector invasions in the colonies
Turian: "Ah yes 'Reapers'..."
Krogan: "Shut the fuck up for a second, Shepard which colonies are most likely to be targeted next and how can we help you?"
Shepard: "Well, if I could have these raw materials to upgrade my ship..."
Krogan: "Granted! Anything else?"
Shepard: "Also I only have a limited crew comprised of a very select group of individuals who would be wasted on the front line and who would be much more useful in reconnaisance and intelligence missions"
Krogan: "Got it! You'll have all of the best Krogan Strike Teams at your disposal!"
Shepard: "Also if I could have a few more credits for buying..."
Krogan: "Credits?! This is DefCon1 rob the stores for all I care, from now on you're criminal activities are whitelisted"
@@akoskralik3053 Look at the krogan. Are they the kind of people who would ever implement something like that? No way!
@@williamkerfoot8039 I think it's possible. Eve mentions it if Wreav is the leader in ME3.
6:01. He can teleport!
Unpopular but I like Wreav being in charge more than Wrex. Makes the cure choice in 3 way more interesting 😂
I love how more aggressive Grunt is here then with Wrex.
3:01
Ah yes, just like the Canadian Prince ripping the arm of off the princess at the Royal Canadian Wedding, as is of course tradition.
@@TheDestati South Park, search "South Park Canadian Weeding" on TH-cam ;) .
@@TheDestati th-cam.com/video/ViokDG-93rA/w-d-xo.html
@@TheDestati Have you watched the clips from South Park?
Because at the time I mentioned in my comment, the Krogan says:
"something something, **as is traditional**."
As does the speaker in the clips when talking about the ridiculous things from the Royal Canadian Wedding. It reminded me of that, sounds almost the same ;) .
"The Prince now attempting to remove one of the princesses arms, as is of course the tradition"
Lol i don't think i ever seen a female Krogan and you never will
Mass effect 3 Shepherd Shepherd save my female
What you mean they changed Mordin's VA too? I thought he was voiced by the same guy.
@@TheDestati
Damn...I really thought it was the same guy. They sounded very similar.
@@TheDestati My first disappointment with ME3 news. Beattie was so great and Salyers tried and failed miserably at emulating him. ME2 Mordin sounds more confident, more alhpa, in a way that informed you he definitely is more dangerous than he appears.
@@Onishiro ?? I can't tell much of a difference tbh, they both did well.
"Too bad. Hate is good. Influential."
Wreav is actually interesting in me2. He seems to be just as intelligent as wreck but with different views. In me3 hea just a mindless brute. The writing in that game is so terrible ffs. Day one DLCs and mandatory LGBT characters were obviously more important.
"you should be in AWE"🤣
TOM from Toonami, Worf from TNG, and Darkwing Duck. ME casting was insane
Or Darkseid, Kalibak and Thanos
Mass Effect 2 Wreav actually seems somewhat intelligent and likeable, in the absence of Wrex.
Mass Effect 3 Wreav is just a bloodthirsty idiot with a shotgun.
Wreav seems more reasonable in ME2.
I never did a playthrough where I let Wrex die.
Why is wreav so wildly different here from ME3? I know the writing in 3 is shit compared to 2 but they're entirely different people.
He is well hated
Wait, Jim Cummings?
Wreav is Winnie the Pooh??????
Made in China wrex
He calls reformists radicals and doesn't care at all about his brother's death other than the fact it paved his way for power in "Mass Effect 2". How is this being wiser ? He was always an idiotic brute, just like his sorry excuse for a father.
Consider the following fact that for Krogans, traditions are extremely important, so wanting to stray from them even if the reason is just is radical in their eyes. And death is daily fact for the Krogans, hell, most Krogans don't even know just how long they can live until they die of old age because they always put themselves in danger and die because of it. So not being sad over Wrex is just the reality of things for Krogans.
The same logic could be applied to Dwarves in fantasy settings and yet everyone loves the dwarves.
He's wise on the fact that he can be talked to, reasoned with. Hell, if he was so stuck with the traditions, he wouldn't have even considered allowing Grunt to take part in the rite of passage, but thanks to his connection with Okeer. Something that would hurt his reputation horribly just by even considering it, but he takes the risk all the same.
So no, I think you're being blinded by your love for Wrex, I love him just as well, but you have to see past that. Wreav is a traditionalist but not without reason here, unlike the horrid portrayal he was given in ME3, just so it would make the decision to sabotage the cure easily a black and white decision, a failure of writing if I ever saw one.
@@combinecommando001 now consider this. It was exactly the old traditions that lead to the Krogan rebellions, and later the creation of the Genophage. If he's allowed to rule, he's going to maintain values that only war and destruction are the answer for every problem in the universe, and keep alive the feeling of revenge that so many Krogans have against the galaxy. And don't dismiss what I said, because the "His death turned his friends into mine." ? He clearly means that the moment Wrex stood on the Saren's side, was the moment he betrayed his own ideals, consequentially discrediting them and ensuring no other Krogan would ever consider his ideals again, because they made it "impossible for the race to survive".
@@JabamiLain I wasn't dismissing what you said about his death. I was arguing the fact that you used how he called Wrex's allies on Tuchanka as "radicals" for believing that his way was the correct course and yes, it is, I don't argue that. But you brand Wreav based on how he calls them that without considering the fact that to him and traditionalists like him see those who give up traditions as being radical, taking it too far. If you held his mindset, you would think so too. Just as you would think of Wreav as a traditionalist radical for being so anchored into them, which he is.
What I was arguing was the matter of perspective. As for being wise, unlike Wrex, he would have to be convinced by suggesting methods that would benefit him in the short and long term. Is he selfish? yes. Is he unreasonable? Stubborn but not unwilling to listen. Is he an idiot? Arguable, he seems to be capable of thinking before acting unlike his ME3 counterpart.
And that's mainly what I was arguing about, this version of him is harsh, cold, calculating and stubborn, but he seems capable of pragmatism if it benefits him, allowing Grunt the rite benefits him and his clan and that would be considered pragmatic considering Grunt's origins.
Meanwhile, his ME3 counterpart wouldn't do any of that, just a loud mouth with no brain who just wants to shoot everything in sight.
@@combinecommando001 well, I'm sorry for being rude. I do have to admit I would have prefered to have this version of him in "Mass Effect 3", I mean, think of the number of different scenarios our interactions with him in "Mass Effect 3" could have depending if Wrex is alive or not and if we're Renegade or Paragon. That, combined with his cunning nature and the fact that the Reapers love to indoctrinate people like him, we could have either a Wreav resisting indoctrination or sucumbing to it, a Wreav that either makes ammends with, kills, is killed by Wrex, or dies in battle. A Wreav that attempts to ensure that when the Genophage is cured, the clans will be on his side, and so we have to participate in the games of Krogan's politics to decide which direction we want the Krogans to follow, etc.
@@combinecommando001krogan culture needed a reform