**NOTES & CORRECTIONS** - I just realized there's a line missing from the script. I meant to reference the curio, "Rationality's Fall" when I talked about the Philosopher's Union. Quoting the line of importance: "According to the Intelligentsia Guild's historical records, the Philosopher Union of the Laurel Wreath Galaxy once erupted in civil war, and blood and machine oil had stained all the books in the contemplators' corridors." - It was pointed out that only some of the Titans look mechanical, and that's a totally valid criticism of the theory. I'm not too fussed about it though cuz the anti-organic equation isn't limited to just machines. I think there are a lot of ways to rationalize it (they could be half organic like evas (evangelion), they could be machines by proxy (like if they're golems or something) or their shapes changed due to mythus' influence, etc), but there's no way to confirm any direction for now. Best let it sit until 3.0 comes out and we find out I'm way off base lol
amphoreus highly exaggerating a copy of the Elysian realm may use what I said this into another video of a theory video of amphoreus is a copy of copy aka Elysian just a copy of earth
We can look at another series with mechanical greek gods/titans. FGO's Demeter looks very fleshy and barely mechanical despite being a robot like the rest.
@Ashikai the Chryso heir are mostly similar to the flame chaser but like the 2000s ultimate comic something are the same like Kevin,Su and Pardofelis expys while something are different like Mydei,Tribble,and Castorice
I'm am predicting that the Yae Sakura expy in Amphoreus will have camo/mentioned in the background foreshadowing that we will get her expy in 4.x just like what they did with Kevin expy in 2.x that foreshadow we will encounters an Kevin expy in 3.x as it is likey that she and her younger sister expy swap considering what had play out in the previous era in hi3rd
I like this new light Mythus is cast in. It's not a troll that spreads misinformation for misinformation's sake. Mythus loves primordial chaos (and all it's possibilities) so thoroughly, that it dreams of a universe where everything can paradoxically coexist; and it achieves this by lying so hard that's it's lies **can** retroactively become truth, and be disruptive to destiny and objectivity.
Well the problem Is that chaos by itself Is stagnant too, if You cant make something out of bullshit it remains bullshit, yes it can being possibility but You need willpower and order to Even make something out of that
That's called manifesting, affirming and bringing forth a reality that doesn't exist (yet) into existence. And since the brain cannot differentiate between fiction and reality, just like how watching a horror movie can increase our heart rate thinking it is in danger, it is used as a way to trick our brain to think the 'lie' is true and natural.
@@Deca777-g3o thats why mythus are born from fuli they are obstructing memories or give a made up meaning to it, technically alter what humanity thinks about the future or the past, now if only they can send these false memories to the past changing the future probably by giving premonitions to some people, amphoreus is one of the times mythus succeed in making a change
@@mind_palaceprobably hoyo based mythus in a sense that sometimes human can dream future events or a feeling of dejavu which means mythus has successfully changed future outcome by sending memories to the past
Amphoreus probably has the most mysteries and based on the fact it's main story is going to be spanning the entirety of the 3.X patches means we're probably in for a MASSIVE adventure with tons of theories just on this one planet alone
Imo Flame Chaser arc was painful, everything that I remember is being bored and walk in cyrcles until Elysia disappear. 7 patches in HSR is not exciting me, hope its better now.
@CrownePri hardly. I've been here since Inazuma. I just find it interesting that we're spanning multiple planets and one storyline is going to be spanning an entire year's worth of content rather than the typical 2-3 patches per area.
@@onetwoand3 if you're talking about Elysian Realm chapter than yes, it's narrative is confusing and was delivered poorly, as some sidenotes (very similar to Simulated Universe's narrative in HSR), but Elysium Everlasting chapters are one of the best in the entire HI3rd, I'd say they're even the best ones we had since Final Lesson.
@@jerryeljeremy7790 yeah star rail is very creative. take example instead of boring weapons like a sword, bow or claymore, they made lightcones which are very very cool because it holds art and people actually wanna read them.
it would make a LOT of sense if, in the end, Cyrene/Elysia is a representative of The Enigmata (much like Gallagher), who's come to accompany the trailblazer in the form of Mem to see if they would be able to defy amphoreus' destiny, and therefore defy Nous' calculations and Fuli's certainty over this "Romantic Story like none other".
My theory is that Cyrene is/was March 7th. The actual Cyrene was corrupted by Black Tide, referencing to the 12 Chrysos Heirs portrait since one of them looks very similarly to March 7th, but it was colored as dark red which probably meant one of the "mad" Chrysos Heirs. She probably was defeated and / or isolated herself using her power of Six Phased Ice and thrown out of space an attempt to cure the Anti Organic Equation virus, later discovered as March 7th. Which is why the Memokeeper forbids March to recollects her memories, as it contains the "corrupted" memories of her past. The current Cyrene is the Enigmata representative of "what if Cyrene was not actually corrupted" and was inserted to Amphoreus as Enigmata's attempt to break the cycle. How she and Mem connected is still a weird thing as Mem introduced as TB Remembrance power from getting Fuli's gaze, but Mem probably more akin to Clockwork in TB's Harmony Path, which is also a memetic entity.
March 7th has the coreflame of Titan of time oronxy, she send a piece of herself back in time in hope to alter amphoreus fate and already on countless of loops of returning back to amphoreus and rewinding. What triggers amphoreus is when a memokeeper try to recollect destroyed amphoreus planet memories accidentally summon march7th consciousness allowing her to rewind time creating the first loop
Elysia's actions could also be interpreted as turning the certain into the uncertain, as before her sacrifice, Herrschers were fated to go mad, but after her actions, Herrschers had a chance to gain humanity, just like how Mythus could've meddled in Amphoreus, making the humans/robots, who would usually go immediately mad from the black tide/Anti-Organic Equation, gain a chance of lucidity due to 'forgetting' the real events.
quick note to add, Elysia's sacrifice also shattered the threads of fate as Aponia says because after the sacrifice she was no longer able to read destiny - if we equate this to Star Rail, is Mythus going to break Nous's calculations?
I recall there was a brief mention of Rubert in the Wardance event, when we met a robot with the Findie model who was an artifact from Rubert's empire. So at least not ALL Rubert lore is trapped behind the SU text walls. This prediction would set the story up to be analogous to the Elysian Realm; an outsider entering a snapshot of a previous era and gaining knowledge from 13 entities to avert disaster. Cyrene being Mem also makes sense here, since Ely was the key to the CE's victory. This chain of events might even fit Campbell's Hero's Journey that they mentioned offhand in the livestream.
You KNEW Shaoji gonna make us Cry when we have to say goodbye to Mem (a.k.a. Cyrene) just like when Mikhail say goodbye to Clockie. Now that I think about it, doesn't Mem reminds you of Paimon? Oh no..
@@jerryeljeremy7790the only thing mem and paimon have in common is their size, lol. Paimon resembles the sustainer and Kevin with the finality authority much more than elysia
On one hand, I enjoy your lore videos. On the other hand, they are usually so spot on, that I'm scared I'll end up spoiling the Amphoreus story by watching this video 😅
@@ShineEdgateAshton14 Long story short, first, Mythus trying to fk Nous up; second, Titans are robots and the black tide is the anti organic virus; third, trailblazer is going to either save a planet, or doom it. (And we all know they're going to save it)
@@nyankosoldier5156 What if we don't save it if Amphoreus is just a Memory bubble. Think about it. If Amphoreus isn't real than TB can fail with no long reaching consequences. For starters no one knows Amphoreus even exist.
@@silverhawkscape2677 It's not just a memory bubble, it's hidden by Mythus but still exits, forever in the process of "dying". The method and the purpose why Mythus is hiding it from the universe, is that Nous has calculated its destruction, and it was indeed destroyed, or rather, a split second before total destruction. And, Mythus won't miss any chance to fk Nous up. That is also why the fire chasing journey could never succeed, because it is doomed to fail yet also not allowed to fail. Trailblazer is the one to observe and anchor its status of life and death. Once the status is anchored, be it saved or not, it will probably be revealed again to the physical universe, because it is physically stable again, and Mythus no longer needs to hide it.
Yeah, I'm also hoping she'll cover it, but for now I'd recommend you to watch Lalody's Lore videos about it. She really goes in depth on the topic in them
I love this theory a lot! Nous is basically Laplace's demon which is the theoretical entity that could determine every single particle in the universe and every single parameter for each one allowing it to calculate the future interactions and positions of all the particles of the universe thus effectively predicting the future. Mythus exists to counteract this cruel certainty that the future is predetermined as is the past. What's poetic is that by obscuring the certainty of facts and math, Mythus posits that the universe is not predetermined--that the universe plays dice all the time. It's a very profound and interesting philosophical dichotomy
@@Deca777-g3o HooH is there to make sure no Aeon is winning over the others at any time. Basically, none of the aeons will be able to achieve their Primum Mobile.
Midway through the video rn, but the moment you mentioned Fuli's prophecy about Rupert, I groaned out loud, "Oh my god, the Titans were robots, weren't they?" I haven't finished the video yet, but I did want to put on record my synapses firing.
Actually I think they sort of answered the question as to why some people like Ratio don’t get Nous’s gaze in spite of their genius prowess in the newest Simulated Universe Expansion. Essentially being that their minds are literally incapable of processing certain concepts to the point that not even external help like machines could allow them such capabilities, and only the few people who are born with the so called “Spark of Genius” are capable of processing the concepts in their minds and thus be recognized by their Aeon. Granted not everyone in the present knows about it, but that’s a fun fact
@@Pgred-j8x Caring and not caring about what your achievements would lead to has no correlation to being in the genius society. Aiden, #22 of the Genius society cared for others and spent his life trying to help others and was also actively sharing his knowledge and findings. He cared about the causes his actions and studies would bring. The reason why Ratio, someone that was treated by many as a genius was unable to enter the Genius society is simple, he's just not good enough. I saw an anology in a Japanese forum that basically said something like, "If it's a test, Ratio would get a hundred points. The Genius Society would go beyond the 100 point system" And just a side note, you do know that Ratio was responsible for making an anti-planetary weapon for the IPC right? If he really cared about the causes it brings, it just makes him a lot more evil. This is from his character story III by the way
So sparkle somehow knew about earth when even akivili didn’t AND she knew about amphorious? i think sparkle is just the goat that’s the whole plot of the game
Hey I just found this channel. I thought I was alone in all this theory crafting for HSR. As a sci-fi nerd, along with some basic interest in Greek/Chinese mythos/folklore HSR, especially this amphoreous arc, has so much to offer me and I'm glad I found a place that can make intelligent informed discussions happen instead of talking about shipping characters or just about who to roll for. I first stumbled on the Amphoreous being a "dead" world idea when I saw the planet name and thought it must come from Amphor, a clay pot for storage, and then thought that all the things we interact with regarding remembrance and their summons, that we now call memosprites, had to allude toward the memosprites actually being objects that the past owners had cherished and thus their spirits or memories were fixed on. I never played HI3, so I didn't know about the flamechasers, but all the memory stuff had to lead toward us(MC), going to Amphoreous to stop the timeloop and give the world a proper ending. Recording history, or writing an epic poem akin to Homer's Odessey, for the heroes of Amphoreous seems to be our mission. Btw, really appreciate how you explain Rupert and Fuli. My fav part of HSR are the connections to literature and sci-fi that go beyond just simple references or fan service and I always get Issac Asimov vibes, the whole Robot-Empire-Foundation series, from what they are doing with mechs and intelligencia in HSR.
I feel so validated in my theory that the remembrance path trailblazer is just us basically working for Mythus to spite Fuli. We’re literally about to write history and I can’t wait 🤩
I don't think so. We likely gaining Fuli gaze but we are seeing that while Fuli captures the memories. That fact the garden sees this collection as something to be used by Fuli to remake the universe at the end. I am not surprised if it means even rewriting these memories for the new world. After all. Memories are not historical records. And Mythus messes up Records.
Great video as always! Especially the enigmata information My initial thought about the "heretical black tide" is in reference to the Nihility. Nihilty is often represented by eclipses- seen with Izumo and the Acheron flashbacks in Penacony. And eclipses seem to be important in the Amphoreus videos. The Nihility is also referenced as a sea. Such as the sea in the Horizon of Existance, and also in the acheron and black swan dance video. Penacony was also going to be submerged by a sea. If I remember right (I want to say in Golden Gears), part of the Beyond the Sky Chior was drowned by a sea of Nihilty. Which then intrigues me because of "beyond the sky" being used to reference the black sea. Either way, I'm excited to see what this sea actually is! I completely forgot about the Antiorganic Equation 😅
I think it’s unlikely to be nihility just because of what the Black Tide does - driving people and gods mad isn’t really nihility’s jam as far as I can tell. But you’re right! All of the symbolism and imagery would make it seem like the obvious candidate. I wonder if you’re right, or if it’s a red herring. Same with Phainon’s references to Nanook with the golden blood; if that actually means anything, for Phainon or the Coreflames or whatever, or if it’s just to mislead us from the correct answer 🤔🤔🤔
The parallels between amphoreus and genshin really stood out to me; natlan ties with the flame core and resurrection, deshret and 'black tide', dead civilisation and enkanomiya etc. It's crazy how interconnected all of the deeper themes are across games.
@@sanilux-l2r teve um evento de bebidas em que eles citaram a história das irmãs Raiden e um "planeta destruído chamado Tayvet" Acho que a bebida era "Baal Drink"
I love the idea of Amphoreus being sort of "stuck in time" trying to defy it's set fate. Watching the trailers and special program, it reminded me a lot of Gallifrey from Doctor Who, which was destroyed in a massive war with MACHINES (The Dalek Empire) and then "paused" in time and saved IN A PAINTING, while outside forces look for a way to save it, and these theories just further my belief that's what we're gonna experience. (I might be misremembering the events a bit, but I think it's about like that)
Wow. Amazing as always Ashikai. Cyrene as Mem makes so much sense I cant believe I didnt see it. Would love an extended version of this! I forgot about why March 7th's "ice" looks the way it does, and you totally reminded me as well. I kind of want her/cyrene to fuse and become an Emanator of Remembrance or something, that would be cool.
Man oh man, the second you brought up Laurel Wreath Galaxy, I saw flashbacks to a thread I posted on Twitter back in July, because you're saying things I've been thinking of for MONTHS yes!
The theory about Mythus trying to change certain predicted fate is really interesting and seems very likely to me based on a specific aspect of Elysia's sacrifice in HI3: she had a very specific effect on the world in what she did, and that was breaking the threads of fate. Aponia, a psychic who was hopelessly miserable because she was constantly seeing terrible fates that she could not prevent, told Mei about how as she watched Elysia die she also saw every single guaranteed line from the present to the future for everyone around her snap and disappear. I don't know if Cyrene's also up for the Jesus routine like Elysia was, but I feel pretty confident in the idea that she's at least working against Nous to violate fate.
Also: Elysia's actions allowed humanity to weather the end of their world by hiding some final survivors away from Finality and rebuilding thousands of years later, leading to the Current Era. So that rebirth for Amphoreus also has a mirror there.
I really like how HSR make a bigger incentive each time we visit a "planet". Having almost no fuel makes this adventure felt important. I bet in 4.0 something bad gonna happen before we visit next planet.
Pretty sure 4.0 will be about the IPC and the truth with voracity and beauty also connecting loose end with Rubert properchy and Herta, because I suspect Herta is actually emanator of idrilla
Impressive theory, found it really interesting and completely changed what I was expecting of Amphoreus. Just one observation, Akivili didn't finish THEIR trip, so while it is highly possible that Amphoreus is hidden (there must be a reason why you can only get there with support from the garden), there is always the chance that the planet just never got the chance to be explored before Akvili's fall.
There is a chinese version of Nameless Faces on Hoyomix and in the comments there is a translation for the lyrics that really fit into your theory. 轮回 Cycle of rebirth 希望绝望更迭吟唱 Alternating chants of hope and despair 兴亡 Rise and fall 记忆徒留末日回响 Memories only leave behind echoes of the end 遗忘 Forgotten 未来过去成灰 Past and future turn to ash 都为新生陪葬 All to bury new life 命运将我流放 Fate exiles me, 那又 怎样 So what? 无愧 无悔 No qualms, no regrets 为何不配？为何要跪？ Why am I unworthy? Why must I kneel? 是非 真伪 Right or wrong, fact or fiction 选择无关错对 Choices are unrelated to wrong or right 谁给我种下因果 Who planted my seeds of karma 结局却不说破 Yet refuses to reveal my ending? 诞生已铐上枷锁 无法挣脱 Already born into shackles that can't be broken free 一场 惨败 Utter defeat 英雄 Heroes 身后不过碑文几行 Only a few lines are recorded about them after they die 传说 Legends 起承转合虚构太多 There's too much that's fabricated when they're passed down 你想 Don't you think? 囚徒笑问傀儡 The prisoner laughs and asks the puppet, 谁比谁更荒唐 Which one of us is more ridiculous now? 我虽一身泥浆 Though I'm covered in mud, 那又 怎样 So what? 无罪 无畏 No guilt, no fear 为何不配？为何要跪？ Why am I unworthy? Why must I kneel? 是非 真伪 Right or wrong, fact or fiction 由谁来定错对？ Who decides what's wrong or right? 咬断了命运枷锁 Bite off the shackles of fate 不疯狂不成活 Can't live without being crazy 埋葬于无人角落 Buried in a deserted corner 自有评说 Everyone has their own comments 故事 之外 有谁 还在 Is there anyone still there outside the story?
The amount of observing skill and synthesizing information through different sources that u are doing is just incredibly amazing, the way u connect dots that was so obvious yet so well hidden in these Hoyoverse games is just fascinating to me. I wouldnt even be surprised if what u theorized would be true when Amphoreous comes out. At this point i take ur theories as a spoiler 😭😭
Amphoreus right now, if your theory is true, is basically like Schrödinger's cat stuck between death (Nous) and life (Mythos). The Astral Express is us opening the box and deciding between the two
something interesting is that the current expansion in star rail, the unknowable domain also brings up the idea that nous's predictions are not absolute. something both herta and polka speculate on though in very different ways. herta wants to break through the circle of knowledge that allows for nous predictions, and believes that is what nous desires as well. whereas polka wants to keep that circle intact and thus their predictions absolute, even killing her fellow geniuses whenever they get to close to discovering something nous does not know.
I was interested in this channel because of the interesting theories you have for HSR. Since It’s my favorite game, I liked your theory about 3.0 and can’t wait to see more!
I'm all exited to see Anaxa's lore and if there is actual connection between him and Genshin's Khaenri'ah. If there isn't even an hint of it, imma be mad as hell.
He is an Su expy so he dose still have some trance of Su in him like begin an scholar/scientist so he is an genius not so about his chirmisty with Phainon tho
@@Josh-qt5zi Sorry to disappoint, but characters that take inspiration from another character are not expies. Hoyo takes inspirations from their own characters all the time, with the Amphoreus cast as a whole being no exception, taking inspirations from the flame chasers (with only two being confirmed expies). A few other examples are Dan Heng being clearly inspired by Fua Hua, Sunday and Robin paralleling Ayato and Ayaka (and Kevin for Sunday specifically from my understanding), and Cipher taking inspirations from Pardofelis, but they look nothing alike. Now last I checked, all the other expies before Amphoreus have all been characters that, you know, ACTUALLY look like their variant, at least in some easily recognizable way with Seele, Bronya, Natasha, Himeko, Yanqing, and Acheron as examples. And Anaxa looks nothing like Su, unlike Alhaitham (who is a Su expy), as well as Phainon and Cyrene, who are Kevin and Elysia expies respectively. Now, if you still want to call any character that remotely parallels another character and “expy”, I won’t stop you. But considering how often they do this, and whether you mean to or not, you are saying that the main way Hoyo creates characters in HSR is reusing the same characters they have over and over again (aka, being creatively bankrupted).
@@rawr30009 The khaenri'ah star on his chest? The eye-patch? The hair style? The theme of slaying god? It's one thing to have some minor reference but the references are all over his character design.
At the start i was hearing you calmly and then my head exploded the moment when you spoke about the antiorganic equation as the thing that made the titans go crazy. It makes A LOT of sense.
It took an Aeon's influence (Equilibrium) to allow Polka Kakakmond to finally slay Rubert I, jeez the Genius Society are literally made of up people who has the potential to become endgame villains
Isn't the genius society each have their own agenda or beliefs when it comes to the "truth" of the world like hell even ruan mei is fascinated about reviving a dead aeon and wants to become an aeon herself, they all sus to me
@@yukich248 YEzz literally the most unhinged group created by Hoyoverse outclassing even the Fatui LMFAOo which are then followed up by the most hated faction in HSR, the IPC
I mean Nous doesn't care about morals, they only care about universal truth, facts and certainty. Almost all Aeons don't give a fuck about humanity or morals they opporate in a different level it just happens that some ideologies like the Harmony, Enigmata or the Trailblaze which value free will, possibility and choice are more aligned and in favor of humanity.
@@crystaluwu1012 THey actually interfere, only a few times though LMAOOoo especially if the threat is universal like Tazzyronth and Rubert I, hence why one of the most powerful Aeon was part of Rubert's downfall, by slightly adjusting Polka aim, it was supposed to miss, but HooH had to interfere with Fate.
HOLY GOOSEBUMPS AS ALWAYS 😍 I was so invested in the Gold and Gears Sim Uni lore when it first came out, especially with all this stuff related to the antiorganic equation, but never dreamed that we could get a whole planet related to that! Mythus changing the events and challenging Nous with their prophecy is such a big-brain conclusion I would've never guessed on my own! But thinking about it now, I feel like even that was foreshadowed in G&G with one of the IPC members losing his mind for unknown reasons that can be related to Mythus... (but yeah maybe not foreshadowing who knows lmao-) Can't wait to show a giant middle finger to Nous and rewrite Amphoreus' destiny in the future!😂 Thank you so much as always for your theory! (I believe in each one of them, especially "the god-slaying protocol" one, literally praying for that one to be true-)
A couple of things that stood out to me/came to mind is that in the cross over in third sparkle uses a mecha against vita maybe she'll have one in star rail? The other thing is I wonder if we're "Re-writing history" to a degree it might causes some kind of paradox with Rubert coming back as an accidental result. (Following bit taken from reddit) The IPC notes that opening the tomb is a "Category Omega" on the "Potential Disaster Index" yet are risking opening the tomb despite that in hopes that it will help "save the universe from the horrors that he will bring with him when he returns". The IPC is extremely positive that he will return, as this statement isn't an "if he returns".
i am having fun listening to your theories! and i agree for most of them too especially about the aeons. its very interesting and i can't wait to explore amphoreus!
Sparkle found her way to Earth canonically, Earth is locked away from the universe, she could get herself anywhere i think (there's a theory that Sparkle is Aha's current puppet, so thats probably why) Edit: i was not paying attention, please carry on
What I’m most interested in Amphoreus is to see if we will get Origin lore. I’ve long suspected that there’s a hidden Path of Origin that we really could never gain any information on beyond Elysia’s story, what she did in order for humanity to break free from Finality’s cycle, and also the Land of Origin where Mei went in order to inherit the Authority of Origin and Mei’s interactions with Origin who appeared to her as the face she was most familiar with, Elysia. This Authority, unlike her Authority of Conquest isn’t tied to the Cocoon of Finality, so it must come from elsewhere, possibly a different Path. Origin was mentioned in passing in Acheron’s myriad celestia trailer but beyond that, Cyrene is our first chance at possible answers. If this turns out to be true, then that means there does in fact exist a power capable of completely defying Finality’s fate… and ngl it feels too early in this game’s course to introduce such a power, but I’d love to have at least _some_ crumbs
I do think you're correct about the three Paths that are intersecting on Amphoreus. The Unknowable Universe expansion for the Simulated Universe talked a lot about the Certainty versus Uncertainty between Nous and Mythus. If I remember correctly, Herta mentioned THEY are constantly in a tug-of-war to change a freaking UNIVERSAL CONSTANT. So I think we're seeing that play out on the Eternal Land and regardless of which of the two Aeons "wins", Fuli will record it with the Trailblazer's assistance. I agree that we're here as a participating observer (not unlike the Traveler on Teyvat) in this divine chess match. As a sidenote, Mem is too Elysia-coded in my opinion. I have to believe they're connected somehow which is interesting given the similarities regarding March as you've pointed out in the video. I do still wonder if this world was originally uplifted by Ena prior to the big historical wars you talked about and THEIR assimilation by Xipe?
Sidenote but my gosh… i rlly wanna pull for everyone we have seen so far bc they all look so good and distinct feom one another! Also amazing video as usual!!
Do you think Teyvat is also a planet hidden away? You can very much draw a parallel between the Titans and their civilizations and the dragon sovereign and their dragon civilizations. The black tide is a version of the abyss. Both planets have very different histories but are both affected by the abyss
@@ballboys607 Just like Earth and the Solar System, Teyvat is also hidden from the influences of the Aeons and I gotta say for the better considering what the Aeons can do to a planet and the galaxies
@@ballboys607 Nope, Teyvat is even got referenced in HI3 with Otto getting a glimpse of dragon in a "Bubble Universe". So it is in HSR universe/space.
HELL YEAH WE'RE GETTIN MYTHUS BABY. I love the idea of mythus and his design is just so weird and cool, i hope we get more playable paths in the future. I would also LOVE to see an equilibrium path and planet because the ideas you can make with HooH are just amazing or voracity, like havibg characters that get stronger by defeating enemies because they are devouring them or with HooH having characters that apply a negative effect to themselves to apply a similar effect to your enemies and ofc the lore too. I cant wait for what the future of star rail holds.
At around 15:10 you raise the point of "Magnetic waves not being visible to the naked eye." But visible light is completely composed of magnetic waves within a (relatively) small band of frequencies. So, technically, magnetic waves are actually the ONLY thing visible to the naked eye.
Also note Amphoreus has the same color as Mythus 12:33, also the liquid Herta was playing with in the trailer is similar to the liquid dripping out of Mythus form.
I also assumed that mem is actually cyrene! Although my reasoning is much more tinfoil in nature. Basically I noticed that Cyrene's 'hug' where she appears out of nowhere is strikingly similar to remembrance trailblazer's skill animation, where they summon mem who appears out of nowhere with their arms out like they're about to hug the trailblazer
"You guys have probably never heard of Rubert". Girl, I'm subscribed to Lalody's lore, I (sadly) remember almost the whole SU lore through and through.
I am 90% sure that Ena was involved during the golden age : The mention of Amphoreus being prosperous while a gold and blue sun eye is always watching in the background is too much of a coincidence. It also makes sense of "the sun grew quite in awe" line as it would be simply explained by Ena getting absorbed, even if it wasn't related to Amphoreus.
@@chaotic-ilusium8363 the gold and blue sun eye is the sky titan. We see them in the hymn trailer and they have a blue, gold, and white color scheme with a massive eye that acts as Amphoreus' sun.
Take note Mythus also doesn't only challenge Nous, THEY challenge any certainty at all. Thats why Gallagher was involve in Penacony, not only because it was a favor from a friend but also because the Order (Sunday's desire) for a safe heaven, a paradise goes against Mythus and the Enigmatas idea of infinite possibility. And even using dreams as a way to do so, is going againt Mythus reason for allowing the memoria to leak anyways so that people can experience another possibility via dream, a reality where they can be anything, but not to an extent that Sunday wants to trap people, the Enigmata's whole thing is having freedom of choice, like having options via introducing uncertainty and change in the equation.
Whenever a new character is drip marketed, it is always "Extra Terrestrial Satellite Communication," but with Amphoreus, it uses 'Amphoreus: Saga of Heroes.'
There's also the quest in the xianzhou talking about a Claretwheel Temple, samantha travelling with a robot named '0089' or 'suguta' infected with the anti organic equation and managed to overcome it, tho the robot did commit suicide to remove the equation itself. Either way it foreshadowed something about the anti organic equation!
i love the idea that mythos is so spiteful of nous' calculations that they go, "fuck you, im gonna rewrite this planet back into existance just so you're wrong"
Ooof 3rd party source for HI3 but either way. HI3 verse is super hidden, A memokeeper as well as Sparkle & Sampo was only able to detect & travel in it because the power that's hiding it is currently in transition to another owner(for the 3rd time) meaning it's super weakened beyond it's prime(before 2nd eruption in HI3)
That's _interesting_. And ties into the overarching theme of defying destiny - like the Stellaron Hunters, led by Destiny's Slave, chained by Terminus' infallible script but wanting to find a way to defy it (ergo, the Trailblazer), bringing together all the possibilities of the Imaginary Tree to find the universe where we can ultimately face, and defeat, Nanook. No wonder Herta wants to know about this.
Y'know this is such a genuinely good and well thought out theory that I simply need it to be the truth, if this isn't what happens I'm gonna be so sad It makes too much sense I wish you'd gone more into the Phainon is Nanook theory because i really want to hear more about it The other small theories are also interesting Overall we're genuinely just gonna have to wait... And I am so impatient rn
this is such an amazing and well-thought-out video, i'm actually in shock. you have a new subscriber for sure :) ! Some other things related to what you said that i wanted to mention(not exactly theories, just interesting details: 1. Anaxa's full name is Anaxagoras, the philosopher guy in real life who seems to have invented the concept of Nous, a cosmic mind that predicted all things. Like you said, he probably is a neretic of some sort or at least knows a whole lot of things he shouldn't, and is punished for saying them aloud. irl anaxagoras was exiled for saying things that we know today are objectively true, ex the eclipse is just the sun and moon crossing and there's no divine anything involved. considering eclipses were mentioned in the first teaser trailer, that may be relevant! he may also be "aware" of the time loop/inconsistencies within amphoreus, which could be the knowledge that makes him be considered a heretic. 2.(spoilers for hi3!!!) the og flamechaser story ended with them deleting the memory versions of themselves that were being corrupted by a virus- exactly what you said in the video. the parallel is uncanny. the main theme was moving forward and leaving the past behind, but if you're right and the past is not the true past, plus with March's overall character themes, this story might be about what you can learn from the past to create a better future. it lines up with what you said, i believe! 3. the infinity symbol amphoreus is in the shape of could be an indication it's running in some kind of eternal loop(i like your word, "limbo", a lot too!) that it needs to be broken out of. someone on twitter mentioned it looked in the trailers like the loop was breaking on one side, so we're almost definitely getting them out of that loop! 4. not a theory, just a question- why is Black Swan taking us there, and for what reason is she being not upfront about what is happening? could it be even the memokeepers are not yet sure of mythus' influence? just some thoughts! again, this video was incredible :) have a nice day/night!
With all this prophecy and stuff and the last part of the trailer showing the entire stellaron hunter, i wouldn't be surprised if the 3rd path affecting Amphoreus is the Finality
I am Greek and I remember how ecstatic and spazzy I was when Dr. Ratio came out. Now I get a whole planet?? A whole story?? A whole cast of characters?? Im fucking jumping for joy.
TH-cam kept me from this video for an ELEVEN WHOLE MINUTES. A horrible betrayal Also I have a crack theory that the Travelers are Akivili, and that's why THEY went missing. Think about it, the Travelers are both god knows how old, extremely powerful, and their power runs on the faith and wishes of others, kind of like how the train runs on trailblazing spirit. Also, whenever the Traveler is doing their traveler wish-gathering thing, people are always wishing for continuance, for their nations to not be lost to time. Also, we have confirmation that Teyvat, HI3rd, and HSR are all in the same universe! Ik hyv is too chicken to actually do it, but it would be cool imo
Akivili, aeons in general draw their power from their path not wishes nor will of their followers, the traveller is too weak to be an aeon tbh, they got curbstomp by a terrestrial deity (Asmoday).
This all makes a lot of sense to me and my head went to a similar place with thinking the enigmata is most likely involved as the 3rd Aeon. The Titans actually being inorganic creatures infected by the anti-organic equation would also be really cool and just make sense with the foreshadowing of gold & gears.
I have a couple things that I hope to hear about through 3.+ updates: 1. More about Nanook, I just can't get the golden blood imagery out of my head, I wanna know how and why it ties this planet to Nanook. 2. Some of 12 Titans VERY reminiscent of eons. Some in their logo's designs, some in their point. Like, it could be nothing, but since when that's in hoyo's fashion? Also, it's not related, but I crave something in hsr, that has influence of both Aha and Mythus, that'd be so incredibly interesting I think.
16:48 its also possible that during the time on which Amphoreus was not isolated as you theorized the Geniuses and possibly other factions (factions most likely related to the Enigmata and Remembrance) was present in the planet, as the Cosmodyssey event refered to these era as the Aeonic Age (Aeonic= Age on which the Aeons were most influential).
3:13 it makes Amphoreus really like a Dark Souls world, like in 3 souls chapter there're an non-ending loop where Ember Lords took the fire from Old Gods and try to keep it with the world
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**NOTES & CORRECTIONS**
- I just realized there's a line missing from the script. I meant to reference the curio, "Rationality's Fall" when I talked about the Philosopher's Union. Quoting the line of importance: "According to the Intelligentsia Guild's historical records, the Philosopher Union of the Laurel Wreath Galaxy once erupted in civil war, and blood and machine oil had stained all the books in the contemplators' corridors."
- It was pointed out that only some of the Titans look mechanical, and that's a totally valid criticism of the theory. I'm not too fussed about it though cuz the anti-organic equation isn't limited to just machines. I think there are a lot of ways to rationalize it (they could be half organic like evas (evangelion), they could be machines by proxy (like if they're golems or something) or their shapes changed due to mythus' influence, etc), but there's no way to confirm any direction for now. Best let it sit until 3.0 comes out and we find out I'm way off base lol
amphoreus highly exaggerating a copy of the Elysian realm may use what I said this into another video of a theory video of amphoreus is a copy of copy aka Elysian just a copy of earth
We can look at another series with mechanical greek gods/titans. FGO's Demeter looks very fleshy and barely mechanical despite being a robot like the rest.
@Ashikai the Chryso heir are mostly similar to the flame chaser but like the 2000s ultimate comic something are the same like Kevin,Su and Pardofelis expys while something are different like Mydei,Tribble,and Castorice
@Ashikai it's not like its memory of a copy world distorted world that has become real
I'm am predicting that the Yae Sakura expy in Amphoreus will have camo/mentioned in the background foreshadowing that we will get her expy in 4.x just like what they did with Kevin expy in 2.x that foreshadow we will encounters an Kevin expy in 3.x as it is likey that she and her younger sister expy swap considering what had play out in the previous era in hi3rd
"Then black tide came"
Me: deshret no
Ashi: Deshret, yes
@@Hritthik_N_S didn’t like cause it’s at 420 rn
Nahhh bro it's just the IPC entering Amporheus
what abt the red tide haha
i did see forbidden knowledge and the black tide as something similar
I like this new light Mythus is cast in.
It's not a troll that spreads misinformation for misinformation's sake.
Mythus loves primordial chaos (and all it's possibilities) so thoroughly, that it dreams of a universe where everything can paradoxically coexist; and it achieves this by lying so hard that's it's lies **can** retroactively become truth, and be disruptive to destiny and objectivity.
Well the problem Is that chaos by itself Is stagnant too, if You cant make something out of bullshit it remains bullshit, yes it can being possibility but You need willpower and order to Even make something out of that
Bro lied too hard it busted out a literal entity made of lies like Gallagher
That's called manifesting, affirming and bringing forth a reality that doesn't exist (yet) into existence.
And since the brain cannot differentiate between fiction and reality, just like how watching a horror movie can increase our heart rate thinking it is in danger, it is used as a way to trick our brain to think the 'lie' is true and natural.
@@Deca777-g3o thats why mythus are born from fuli they are obstructing memories or give a made up meaning to it, technically alter what humanity thinks about the future or the past, now if only they can send these false memories to the past changing the future probably by giving premonitions to some people, amphoreus is one of the times mythus succeed in making a change
@@mind_palaceprobably hoyo based mythus in a sense that sometimes human can dream future events or a feeling of dejavu which means mythus has successfully changed future outcome by sending memories to the past
Amphoreus probably has the most mysteries and based on the fact it's main story is going to be spanning the entirety of the 3.X patches means we're probably in for a MASSIVE adventure with tons of theories just on this one planet alone
Imo Flame Chaser arc was painful, everything that I remember is being bored and walk in cyrcles until Elysia disappear. 7 patches in HSR is not exciting me, hope its better now.
New to hoyo huh😂
@CrownePri hardly. I've been here since Inazuma. I just find it interesting that we're spanning multiple planets and one storyline is going to be spanning an entire year's worth of content rather than the typical 2-3 patches per area.
@@onetwoand3 if you're talking about Elysian Realm chapter than yes, it's narrative is confusing and was delivered poorly, as some sidenotes (very similar to Simulated Universe's narrative in HSR), but Elysium Everlasting chapters are one of the best in the entire HI3rd, I'd say they're even the best ones we had since Final Lesson.
@@onetwoand3This is certainly one of the opinions of all time lol
“You guys have probably never heard of Rubert” oh no, I fear you underestimate us…
Star Rail players read more lore than the other games cuz devs gave the incentive to read using gameplay & rewards. Honestly great game design.
@@jerryeljeremy7790I agree! I would be surprised to encounter a Star Rail player that doesn’t know the basic lore they explain in SU tbh
@@jerryeljeremy7790 yeah star rail is very creative. take example instead of boring weapons like a sword, bow or claymore, they made lightcones which are very very cool because it holds art and people actually wanna read them.
I know him and his manace from Nova impact video
@@jerryeljeremy7790When I read SU lore, I got the same feeling when I was reading a novel
it would make a LOT of sense if, in the end, Cyrene/Elysia is a representative of The Enigmata (much like Gallagher), who's come to accompany the trailblazer in the form of Mem to see if they would be able to defy amphoreus' destiny, and therefore defy Nous' calculations and Fuli's certainty over this "Romantic Story like none other".
Yup, and the Trailblazer has a tendency to defy and/or change fate, even the drop of "Wildfire" says "YOU MADE A CHOICE, GO FIGHT AGAINST YOUR FATE!"
My theory is that Cyrene is/was March 7th.
The actual Cyrene was corrupted by Black Tide, referencing to the 12 Chrysos Heirs portrait since one of them looks very similarly to March 7th, but it was colored as dark red which probably meant one of the "mad" Chrysos Heirs.
She probably was defeated and / or isolated herself using her power of Six Phased Ice and thrown out of space an attempt to cure the Anti Organic Equation virus, later discovered as March 7th. Which is why the Memokeeper forbids March to recollects her memories, as it contains the "corrupted" memories of her past.
The current Cyrene is the Enigmata representative of "what if Cyrene was not actually corrupted" and was inserted to Amphoreus as Enigmata's attempt to break the cycle.
How she and Mem connected is still a weird thing as Mem introduced as TB Remembrance power from getting Fuli's gaze, but Mem probably more akin to Clockwork in TB's Harmony Path, which is also a memetic entity.
March 7th has the coreflame of Titan of time oronxy, she send a piece of herself back in time in hope to alter amphoreus fate and already on countless of loops of returning back to amphoreus and rewinding. What triggers amphoreus is when a memokeeper try to recollect destroyed amphoreus planet memories accidentally summon march7th consciousness allowing her to rewind time creating the first loop
Elysia was also a lie, a god pretending to be human
Elysia's actions could also be interpreted as turning the certain into the uncertain, as before her sacrifice, Herrschers were fated to go mad, but after her actions, Herrschers had a chance to gain humanity, just like how Mythus could've meddled in Amphoreus, making the humans/robots, who would usually go immediately mad from the black tide/Anti-Organic Equation, gain a chance of lucidity due to 'forgetting' the real events.
quick note to add, Elysia's sacrifice also shattered the threads of fate as Aponia says because after the sacrifice she was no longer able to read destiny - if we equate this to Star Rail, is Mythus going to break Nous's calculations?
I recall there was a brief mention of Rubert in the Wardance event, when we met a robot with the Findie model who was an artifact from Rubert's empire. So at least not ALL Rubert lore is trapped behind the SU text walls.
This prediction would set the story up to be analogous to the Elysian Realm; an outsider entering a snapshot of a previous era and gaining knowledge from 13 entities to avert disaster. Cyrene being Mem also makes sense here, since Ely was the key to the CE's victory. This chain of events might even fit Campbell's Hero's Journey that they mentioned offhand in the livestream.
You KNEW Shaoji gonna make us Cry when we have to say goodbye to Mem (a.k.a. Cyrene) just like when Mikhail say goodbye to Clockie.
Now that I think about it, doesn't Mem reminds you of Paimon?
Oh no..
@@jerryeljeremy7790the only thing mem and paimon have in common is their size, lol. Paimon resembles the sustainer and Kevin with the finality authority much more than elysia
On one hand, I enjoy your lore videos. On the other hand, they are usually so spot on, that I'm scared I'll end up spoiling the Amphoreus story by watching this video 😅
What did she say during this video?
Which is why I ain’t watching it lmao. Instead, I’ll watch once Amphoreus story is finished 💀
@@ShineEdgateAshton14 Long story short, first, Mythus trying to fk Nous up; second, Titans are robots and the black tide is the anti organic virus; third, trailblazer is going to either save a planet, or doom it. (And we all know they're going to save it)
@@nyankosoldier5156 What if we don't save it if Amphoreus is just a Memory bubble. Think about it. If Amphoreus isn't real than TB can fail with no long reaching consequences. For starters no one knows Amphoreus even exist.
@@silverhawkscape2677 It's not just a memory bubble, it's hidden by Mythus but still exits, forever in the process of "dying". The method and the purpose why Mythus is hiding it from the universe, is that Nous has calculated its destruction, and it was indeed destroyed, or rather, a split second before total destruction. And, Mythus won't miss any chance to fk Nous up. That is also why the fire chasing journey could never succeed, because it is doomed to fail yet also not allowed to fail. Trailblazer is the one to observe and anchor its status of life and death. Once the status is anchored, be it saved or not, it will probably be revealed again to the physical universe, because it is physically stable again, and Mythus no longer needs to hide it.
*Video idea:*
You should do *Swarm Disaster, Gold & Gears, and Unknowable Domain* lore videos cuz new players really need it.
Yeah, clean summaries of all the lore explained would be killer. Also all major wars and events like the Border war.
Yeah, I'm also hoping she'll cover it, but for now I'd recommend you to watch Lalody's Lore videos about it. She really goes in depth on the topic in them
i just read the lore on wiki because i have no motivation to actually play those
i agree, Lalody's Lore did a good job explaining what's going on within the SU! you might wanna check it out
I love this theory a lot! Nous is basically Laplace's demon which is the theoretical entity that could determine every single particle in the universe and every single parameter for each one allowing it to calculate the future interactions and positions of all the particles of the universe thus effectively predicting the future. Mythus exists to counteract this cruel certainty that the future is predetermined as is the past. What's poetic is that by obscuring the certainty of facts and math, Mythus posits that the universe is not predetermined--that the universe plays dice all the time. It's a very profound and interesting philosophical dichotomy
Yeah but the existance of HooH makes it a counter to Mythus because sadly Is a gambling adict
@@Deca777-g3o HooH is there to make sure no Aeon is winning over the others at any time. Basically, none of the aeons will be able to achieve their Primum Mobile.
Midway through the video rn, but the moment you mentioned Fuli's prophecy about Rupert, I groaned out loud, "Oh my god, the Titans were robots, weren't they?" I haven't finished the video yet, but I did want to put on record my synapses firing.
What's interesting as well is that the titans look pretty similar to sunday's divine form that we fight in penacony.
Which makes it more likely that EMIYA is the incarcnation that appears in chaldea because of lostbelt 5 shenanigans.
Actually I think they sort of answered the question as to why some people like Ratio don’t get Nous’s gaze in spite of their genius prowess in the newest Simulated Universe Expansion.
Essentially being that their minds are literally incapable of processing certain concepts to the point that not even external help like machines could allow them such capabilities, and only the few people who are born with the so called “Spark of Genius” are capable of processing the concepts in their minds and thus be recognized by their Aeon.
Granted not everyone in the present knows about it, but that’s a fun fact
Because ratio doesn't only chase answer he actually cares about the cause it brings or it's effect that's why he can't be genius society
@@Pgred-j8x Caring and not caring about what your achievements would lead to has no correlation to being in the genius society. Aiden, #22 of the Genius society cared for others and spent his life trying to help others and was also actively sharing his knowledge and findings. He cared about the causes his actions and studies would bring.
The reason why Ratio, someone that was treated by many as a genius was unable to enter the Genius society is simple, he's just not good enough.
I saw an anology in a Japanese forum that basically said something like, "If it's a test, Ratio would get a hundred points. The Genius Society would go beyond the 100 point system"
And just a side note, you do know that Ratio was responsible for making an anti-planetary weapon for the IPC right? If he really cared about the causes it brings, it just makes him a lot more evil.
This is from his character story III by the way
for a moment I thought she was going to mention King Deshret not gonna lie.
And had she did, I would've cheered 😌📣
So sparkle somehow knew about earth when even akivili didn’t AND she knew about amphorious? i think sparkle is just the goat that’s the whole plot of the game
Sometimes i think the emanators of aha are enlightened and are now "aware"
Basically the entire plot of the Elation
@@runic6452 They are even aware that they are in a game which is kinda creepy
She SOMEHOW knew about
• Dr. primitive lackeys in Penacony
• Disaster coming to Belobog
• Know about Amphoreus
• And Earth
@@idontspeakjapanese6289It starting to turn into Undertale/Deltarune type of stuff
Hey I just found this channel. I thought I was alone in all this theory crafting for HSR. As a sci-fi nerd, along with some basic interest in Greek/Chinese mythos/folklore HSR, especially this amphoreous arc, has so much to offer me and I'm glad I found a place that can make intelligent informed discussions happen instead of talking about shipping characters or just about who to roll for.
I first stumbled on the Amphoreous being a "dead" world idea when I saw the planet name and thought it must come from Amphor, a clay pot for storage, and then thought that all the things we interact with regarding remembrance and their summons, that we now call memosprites, had to allude toward the memosprites actually being objects that the past owners had cherished and thus their spirits or memories were fixed on. I never played HI3, so I didn't know about the flamechasers, but all the memory stuff had to lead toward us(MC), going to Amphoreous to stop the timeloop and give the world a proper ending. Recording history, or writing an epic poem akin to Homer's Odessey, for the heroes of Amphoreous seems to be our mission.
Btw, really appreciate how you explain Rupert and Fuli. My fav part of HSR are the connections to literature and sci-fi that go beyond just simple references or fan service and I always get Issac Asimov vibes, the whole Robot-Empire-Foundation series, from what they are doing with mechs and intelligencia in HSR.
I feel so validated in my theory that the remembrance path trailblazer is just us basically working for Mythus to spite Fuli. We’re literally about to write history and I can’t wait 🤩
I don't think so. We likely gaining Fuli gaze but we are seeing that while Fuli captures the memories. That fact the garden sees this collection as something to be used by Fuli to remake the universe at the end.
I am not surprised if it means even rewriting these memories for the new world.
After all. Memories are not historical records. And Mythus messes up Records.
Not Fuli, but Nous
Great video as always! Especially the enigmata information
My initial thought about the "heretical black tide" is in reference to the Nihility. Nihilty is often represented by eclipses- seen with Izumo and the Acheron flashbacks in Penacony. And eclipses seem to be important in the Amphoreus videos.
The Nihility is also referenced as a sea. Such as the sea in the Horizon of Existance, and also in the acheron and black swan dance video. Penacony was also going to be submerged by a sea.
If I remember right (I want to say in Golden Gears), part of the Beyond the Sky Chior was drowned by a sea of Nihilty. Which then intrigues me because of "beyond the sky" being used to reference the black sea.
Either way, I'm excited to see what this sea actually is! I completely forgot about the Antiorganic Equation 😅
I think it’s unlikely to be nihility just because of what the Black Tide does - driving people and gods mad isn’t really nihility’s jam as far as I can tell. But you’re right! All of the symbolism and imagery would make it seem like the obvious candidate. I wonder if you’re right, or if it’s a red herring. Same with Phainon’s references to Nanook with the golden blood; if that actually means anything, for Phainon or the Coreflames or whatever, or if it’s just to mislead us from the correct answer 🤔🤔🤔
The parallels between amphoreus and genshin really stood out to me; natlan ties with the flame core and resurrection, deshret and 'black tide', dead civilisation and enkanomiya etc. It's crazy how interconnected all of the deeper themes are across games.
also with amphoreus being locked away from the rest of the universe, just like teyvat is
Yeah, and apparently, the Coreflames are Constellations now...
@@sanilux-l2r teve um evento de bebidas em que eles citaram a história das irmãs Raiden e um "planeta destruído chamado Tayvet"
Acho que a bebida era "Baal Drink"
I love the idea of Amphoreus being sort of "stuck in time" trying to defy it's set fate. Watching the trailers and special program, it reminded me a lot of Gallifrey from Doctor Who, which was destroyed in a massive war with MACHINES (The Dalek Empire) and then "paused" in time and saved IN A PAINTING, while outside forces look for a way to save it, and these theories just further my belief that's what we're gonna experience.
(I might be misremembering the events a bit, but I think it's about like that)
Dalek's aren't machines, they're squid things IN machine's
@@connorradcliffe1769 True, forgot bout that
@@dmcg2834 omg I didn't even think of that!! Ur so right!! :0
Wow. Amazing as always Ashikai.
Cyrene as Mem makes so much sense I cant believe I didnt see it. Would love an extended version of this! I forgot about why March 7th's "ice" looks the way it does, and you totally reminded me as well. I kind of want her/cyrene to fuse and become an Emanator of Remembrance or something, that would be cool.
Here an dark theory of mine about an gloom fate of Amphoreus Yae Sakura expy that her and sister expy had swap role
Man oh man, the second you brought up Laurel Wreath Galaxy, I saw flashbacks to a thread I posted on Twitter back in July, because you're saying things I've been thinking of for MONTHS yes!
The theory about Mythus trying to change certain predicted fate is really interesting and seems very likely to me based on a specific aspect of Elysia's sacrifice in HI3: she had a very specific effect on the world in what she did, and that was breaking the threads of fate. Aponia, a psychic who was hopelessly miserable because she was constantly seeing terrible fates that she could not prevent, told Mei about how as she watched Elysia die she also saw every single guaranteed line from the present to the future for everyone around her snap and disappear. I don't know if Cyrene's also up for the Jesus routine like Elysia was, but I feel pretty confident in the idea that she's at least working against Nous to violate fate.
Also: Elysia's actions allowed humanity to weather the end of their world by hiding some final survivors away from Finality and rebuilding thousands of years later, leading to the Current Era. So that rebirth for Amphoreus also has a mirror there.
@@Jetsetlemming "...fate." ehe "fate." get it? the future collab? nvm
I really like how HSR make a bigger incentive each time we visit a "planet". Having almost no fuel makes this adventure felt important.
I bet in 4.0 something bad gonna happen before we visit next planet.
Pretty sure 4.0 will be about the IPC and the truth with voracity and beauty also connecting loose end with Rubert properchy and Herta, because I suspect Herta is actually emanator of idrilla
@@Pgred-j8x Wait... are dual-Aeon Emanators even possible tho? Herta is a confirmed Genius (Emanator of Erudition) already...
Impressive theory, found it really interesting and completely changed what I was expecting of Amphoreus. Just one observation, Akivili didn't finish THEIR trip, so while it is highly possible that Amphoreus is hidden (there must be a reason why you can only get there with support from the garden), there is always the chance that the planet just never got the chance to be explored before Akvili's fall.
There is a chinese version of Nameless Faces on Hoyomix and in the comments there is a translation for the lyrics that really fit into your theory.
轮回
Cycle of rebirth
希望绝望更迭吟唱
Alternating chants of hope and despair
兴亡
Rise and fall
记忆徒留末日回响
Memories only leave behind echoes of the end
遗忘
Forgotten
未来过去成灰
Past and future turn to ash
都为新生陪葬
All to bury new life
命运将我流放
Fate exiles me,
那又 怎样
So what?
无愧 无悔
No qualms, no regrets
为何不配？为何要跪？
Why am I unworthy? Why must I kneel?
是非 真伪
Right or wrong, fact or fiction
选择无关错对
Choices are unrelated to wrong or right
谁给我种下因果
Who planted my seeds of karma
结局却不说破
Yet refuses to reveal my ending?
诞生已铐上枷锁 无法挣脱
Already born into shackles that can't be broken free
一场 惨败
Utter defeat
英雄
Heroes
身后不过碑文几行
Only a few lines are recorded about them after they die
传说
Legends
起承转合虚构太多
There's too much that's fabricated when they're passed down
你想
Don't you think?
囚徒笑问傀儡
The prisoner laughs and asks the puppet,
谁比谁更荒唐
Which one of us is more ridiculous now?
我虽一身泥浆
Though I'm covered in mud,
那又 怎样
So what?
无罪 无畏
No guilt, no fear
为何不配？为何要跪？
Why am I unworthy? Why must I kneel?
是非 真伪
Right or wrong, fact or fiction
由谁来定错对？
Who decides what's wrong or right?
咬断了命运枷锁
Bite off the shackles of fate
不疯狂不成活
Can't live without being crazy
埋葬于无人角落
Buried in a deserted corner
自有评说
Everyone has their own comments
故事 之外 有谁 还在
Is there anyone still there outside the story?
You are absolutely cooking on this one (as usual).
I'm getting the popcorn ready for Welt and Phainon's conversation like I did when Welt spoke to Acheron on Penacony 👀🍿.
The amount of observing skill and synthesizing information through different sources that u are doing is just incredibly amazing, the way u connect dots that was so obvious yet so well hidden in these Hoyoverse games is just fascinating to me. I wouldnt even be surprised if what u theorized would be true when Amphoreous comes out. At this point i take ur theories as a spoiler 😭😭
i feel blesssed to have found this video so quickly
Amphoreus right now, if your theory is true, is basically like Schrödinger's cat stuck between death (Nous) and life (Mythos). The Astral Express is us opening the box and deciding between the two
something interesting is that the current expansion in star rail, the unknowable domain also brings up the idea that nous's predictions are not absolute. something both herta and polka speculate on though in very different ways. herta wants to break through the circle of knowledge that allows for nous predictions, and believes that is what nous desires as well. whereas polka wants to keep that circle intact and thus their predictions absolute, even killing her fellow geniuses whenever they get to close to discovering something nous does not know.
I’m so super excited for the 3.0 update. Thank you Ashikai for all the lore videos, I hope you keep uploading HSR lore videos! 😊
I was interested in this channel because of the interesting theories you have for HSR. Since It’s my favorite game, I liked your theory about 3.0 and can’t wait to see more!
Flame chase? Oh god, the Elysian Realm flashbacks are beginning to
Babe wake up, another banger ashikai video just got released
I'm all exited to see Anaxa's lore and if there is actual connection between him and Genshin's Khaenri'ah. If there isn't even an hint of it, imma be mad as hell.
He is an Su expy so he dose still have some trance of Su in him like begin an scholar/scientist so he is an genius not so about his chirmisty with Phainon tho
@@Josh-qt5zi It can be both Su + Deinsleif. He looks more to Dain than Su other than his Mint green hair.
And there's Barbara expy too with Hyacine.
@@Josh-qt5zi Sorry to disappoint, but characters that take inspiration from another character are not expies. Hoyo takes inspirations from their own characters all the time, with the Amphoreus cast as a whole being no exception, taking inspirations from the flame chasers (with only two being confirmed expies). A few other examples are Dan Heng being clearly inspired by Fua Hua, Sunday and Robin paralleling Ayato and Ayaka (and Kevin for Sunday specifically from my understanding), and Cipher taking inspirations from Pardofelis, but they look nothing alike.
Now last I checked, all the other expies before Amphoreus have all been characters that, you know, ACTUALLY look like their variant, at least in some easily recognizable way with Seele, Bronya, Natasha, Himeko, Yanqing, and Acheron as examples. And Anaxa looks nothing like Su, unlike Alhaitham (who is a Su expy), as well as Phainon and Cyrene, who are Kevin and Elysia expies respectively.
Now, if you still want to call any character that remotely parallels another character and “expy”, I won’t stop you. But considering how often they do this, and whether you mean to or not, you are saying that the main way Hoyo creates characters in HSR is reusing the same characters they have over and over again (aka, being creatively bankrupted).
@@jerryeljeremy7790 he doesn't look like dain at all, he doesn't look like anyone.
@@rawr30009 The khaenri'ah star on his chest? The eye-patch? The hair style? The theme of slaying god? It's one thing to have some minor reference but the references are all over his character design.
Really good video, I don't know how you all (lore crafters?) can absord all this lore and connect it in such coherent ways, good job!
OMG this is so good it makes so much sense thank you ah
meanwhile Elio just staring at us in delightment
At the start i was hearing you calmly and then my head exploded the moment when you spoke about the antiorganic equation as the thing that made the titans go crazy. It makes A LOT of sense.
If i had a nickel for every time ashikai predicts something and became true it would be 2 nickels already
I'd say there'll be four or five in the future... Considering she'd done a wonderful job, keep counting em 😂
It took an Aeon's influence (Equilibrium) to allow Polka Kakakmond to finally slay Rubert I, jeez the Genius Society are literally made of up people who has the potential to become endgame villains
I love your profile picture lol
Isn't the genius society each have their own agenda or beliefs when it comes to the "truth" of the world like hell even ruan mei is fascinated about reviving a dead aeon and wants to become an aeon herself, they all sus to me
@@yukich248 YEzz literally the most unhinged group created by Hoyoverse outclassing even the Fatui LMFAOo which are then followed up by the most hated faction in HSR, the IPC
I mean Nous doesn't care about morals, they only care about universal truth, facts and certainty. Almost all Aeons don't give a fuck about humanity or morals they opporate in a different level it just happens that some ideologies like the Harmony, Enigmata or the Trailblaze which value free will, possibility and choice are more aligned and in favor of humanity.
@@crystaluwu1012 THey actually interfere, only a few times though LMAOOoo especially if the threat is universal like Tazzyronth and Rubert I, hence why one of the most powerful Aeon was part of Rubert's downfall, by slightly adjusting Polka aim, it was supposed to miss, but HooH had to interfere with Fate.
THIS IS SUCH A GREAT THEORY!!! good job on the videoo❤❤
OMG, this was one of the best theories content I saw about this new planet. Well done 😊🎉❤
HOLY GOOSEBUMPS AS ALWAYS 😍
I was so invested in the Gold and Gears Sim Uni lore when it first came out, especially with all this stuff related to the antiorganic equation, but never dreamed that we could get a whole planet related to that! Mythus changing the events and challenging Nous with their prophecy is such a big-brain conclusion I would've never guessed on my own! But thinking about it now, I feel like even that was foreshadowed in G&G with one of the IPC members losing his mind for unknown reasons that can be related to Mythus... (but yeah maybe not foreshadowing who knows lmao-)
Can't wait to show a giant middle finger to Nous and rewrite Amphoreus' destiny in the future!😂 Thank you so much as always for your theory! (I believe in each one of them, especially "the god-slaying protocol" one, literally praying for that one to be true-)
A couple of things that stood out to me/came to mind is that in the cross over in third sparkle uses a mecha against vita maybe she'll have one in star rail? The other thing is I wonder if we're "Re-writing history" to a degree it might causes some kind of paradox with Rubert coming back as an accidental result. (Following bit taken from reddit) The IPC notes that opening the tomb is a "Category Omega" on the "Potential Disaster Index" yet are risking opening the tomb despite that in hopes that it will help "save the universe from the horrors that he will bring with him when he returns". The IPC is extremely positive that he will return, as this statement isn't an "if he returns".
i am having fun listening to your theories! and i agree for most of them too especially about the aeons. its very interesting and i can't wait to explore amphoreus!
0:46 AND SPARKLE IS ALSO THERE FOR SOME REASON. BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE GOOD THINGS AND COHERENT LORE
Sparkle found her way to Earth canonically, Earth is locked away from the universe, she could get herself anywhere i think (there's a theory that Sparkle is Aha's current puppet, so thats probably why)
Edit: i was not paying attention, please carry on
"coherent lore" sorry but its the masked fools what do you expect from them
No she is busy
It's implies that Vita (hi3) know about the aeon and even be a masked fool herself. So it isn't surprise seeing other masked fool there😊
ngl ya'll make the lore out to be more complicated then it really is.
you’re the best theorist fr omg i love your videos. thank you for your hard work 💗🙇♀️👏
What I’m most interested in Amphoreus is to see if we will get Origin lore. I’ve long suspected that there’s a hidden Path of Origin that we really could never gain any information on beyond Elysia’s story, what she did in order for humanity to break free from Finality’s cycle, and also the Land of Origin where Mei went in order to inherit the Authority of Origin and Mei’s interactions with Origin who appeared to her as the face she was most familiar with, Elysia. This Authority, unlike her Authority of Conquest isn’t tied to the Cocoon of Finality, so it must come from elsewhere, possibly a different Path. Origin was mentioned in passing in Acheron’s myriad celestia trailer but beyond that, Cyrene is our first chance at possible answers. If this turns out to be true, then that means there does in fact exist a power capable of completely defying Finality’s fate… and ngl it feels too early in this game’s course to introduce such a power, but I’d love to have at least _some_ crumbs
Origin is Honkai. I personally believe that all Herrschers are practically simulacrum of human concepts, and that Origin is simply one of humanity.
I'm thinking about the aeon of origin
Omg i was hoping you’d do an Amphoreus video!!
i’m speachless, you’re so talented
Awesome content as always, can't wait to see your vid on natlan now that the archon quest is over
Another great lore video. Also I don't know why but QQ feels so perfect as the "avatar" you use for those videos, it's amazing.
I can't wait for 3.0, finally a fully fleshed out arc across the entire year to really sink my teeth into, let's see how well the HSR team can write 😏
First! I love your videos!!
Second, you might be off, but you convinced me to follow Mythus!
I do think you're correct about the three Paths that are intersecting on Amphoreus. The Unknowable Universe expansion for the Simulated Universe talked a lot about the Certainty versus Uncertainty between Nous and Mythus. If I remember correctly, Herta mentioned THEY are constantly in a tug-of-war to change a freaking UNIVERSAL CONSTANT. So I think we're seeing that play out on the Eternal Land and regardless of which of the two Aeons "wins", Fuli will record it with the Trailblazer's assistance. I agree that we're here as a participating observer (not unlike the Traveler on Teyvat) in this divine chess match. As a sidenote, Mem is too Elysia-coded in my opinion. I have to believe they're connected somehow which is interesting given the similarities regarding March as you've pointed out in the video.
I do still wonder if this world was originally uplifted by Ena prior to the big historical wars you talked about and THEIR assimilation by Xipe?
Sidenote but my gosh… i rlly wanna pull for everyone we have seen so far bc they all look so good and distinct feom one another!
Also amazing video as usual!!
Do you think Teyvat is also a planet hidden away? You can very much draw a parallel between the Titans and their civilizations and the dragon sovereign and their dragon civilizations. The black tide is a version of the abyss. Both planets have very different histories but are both affected by the abyss
Teyvat is probably not a planet in HSR, but more likely a branch on the Imaginary Tree.
@@ballboys607 Just like Earth and the Solar System, Teyvat is also hidden from the influences of the Aeons and I gotta say for the better considering what the Aeons can do to a planet and the galaxies
@@ballboys607 Nope, Teyvat is even got referenced in HI3 with Otto getting a glimpse of dragon in a "Bubble Universe". So it is in HSR universe/space.
@@ballboys607did you forget all the Genshin references in the game already?
HELL YEAH WE'RE GETTIN MYTHUS BABY. I love the idea of mythus and his design is just so weird and cool, i hope we get more playable paths in the future. I would also LOVE to see an equilibrium path and planet because the ideas you can make with HooH are just amazing or voracity, like havibg characters that get stronger by defeating enemies because they are devouring them or with HooH having characters that apply a negative effect to themselves to apply a similar effect to your enemies and ofc the lore too. I cant wait for what the future of star rail holds.
Sorry to be that guy but all Aeons are referred to using THEY
@@catdownthestreettrue it’s not a pronoun thing too, its a god/aeon thing because they are now technically a concept made manifest.
3:18 Flamechase, you say, huh? Interesting, where have i seen this before?
At around 15:10 you raise the point of "Magnetic waves not being visible to the naked eye." But visible light is completely composed of magnetic waves within a (relatively) small band of frequencies. So, technically, magnetic waves are actually the ONLY thing visible to the naked eye.
Also note Amphoreus has the same color as Mythus 12:33, also the liquid Herta was playing with in the trailer is similar to the liquid dripping out of Mythus form.
I also assumed that mem is actually cyrene! Although my reasoning is much more tinfoil in nature. Basically I noticed that Cyrene's 'hug' where she appears out of nowhere is strikingly similar to remembrance trailblazer's skill animation, where they summon mem who appears out of nowhere with their arms out like they're about to hug the trailblazer
"You guys have probably never heard of Rubert". Girl, I'm subscribed to Lalody's lore, I (sadly) remember almost the whole SU lore through and through.
Banger intro btw, next put a clip of pouring orange juice into a glass (I’m craving orange juice)
Your theories are the most realistic yet And most logical good job
I am 90% sure that Ena was involved during the golden age : The mention of Amphoreus being prosperous while a gold and blue sun eye is always watching in the background is too much of a coincidence. It also makes sense of "the sun grew quite in awe" line as it would be simply explained by Ena getting absorbed, even if it wasn't related to Amphoreus.
@@chaotic-ilusium8363 the gold and blue sun eye is the sky titan. We see them in the hymn trailer and they have a blue, gold, and white color scheme with a massive eye that acts as Amphoreus' sun.
I think these titan is a representation of the aeon.
2:36 I was wondering on that point, if King Desheret will be mentioned in this video 😂
Take note Mythus also doesn't only challenge Nous, THEY challenge any certainty at all. Thats why Gallagher was involve in Penacony, not only because it was a favor from a friend but also because the Order (Sunday's desire) for a safe heaven, a paradise goes against Mythus and the Enigmatas idea of infinite possibility. And even using dreams as a way to do so, is going againt Mythus reason for allowing the memoria to leak anyways so that people can experience another possibility via dream, a reality where they can be anything, but not to an extent that Sunday wants to trap people, the Enigmata's whole thing is having freedom of choice, like having options via introducing uncertainty and change in the equation.
Whenever a new character is drip marketed, it is always "Extra Terrestrial Satellite Communication," but with Amphoreus, it uses 'Amphoreus: Saga of Heroes.'
There's also the quest in the xianzhou talking about a Claretwheel Temple, samantha travelling with a robot named '0089' or 'suguta' infected with the anti organic equation and managed to overcome it, tho the robot did commit suicide to remove the equation itself. Either way it foreshadowed something about the anti organic equation!
i love the idea that mythos is so spiteful of nous' calculations that they go, "fuck you, im gonna rewrite this planet back into existance just so you're wrong"
Ooof 3rd party source for HI3 but either way.
HI3 verse is super hidden, A memokeeper as well as Sparkle & Sampo was only able to detect & travel in it because the power that's hiding it is currently in transition to another owner(for the 3rd time) meaning it's super weakened beyond it's prime(before 2nd eruption in HI3)
Also Mars could send a signal to... somewhere. It became active after Embrace. It also had black tides rising, funny thing.
Yea basically when kiana is taking over a lot of stagnant shyte got moving again
"you probably don't know rubert" you mean the cool curios from SU? Yeah pretty nice guy... HE DID WHAT NOW?!
That's _interesting_. And ties into the overarching theme of defying destiny - like the Stellaron Hunters, led by Destiny's Slave, chained by Terminus' infallible script but wanting to find a way to defy it (ergo, the Trailblazer), bringing together all the possibilities of the Imaginary Tree to find the universe where we can ultimately face, and defeat, Nanook. No wonder Herta wants to know about this.
Pilgrimage of the flame chase? Oooh boi, they could not make it more subtle
Y'know this is such a genuinely good and well thought out theory that I simply need it to be the truth, if this isn't what happens I'm gonna be so sad
It makes too much sense
I wish you'd gone more into the Phainon is Nanook theory because i really want to hear more about it
The other small theories are also interesting
Overall we're genuinely just gonna have to wait... And I am so impatient rn
I am super behind in HSR and your videos help so much
Always love your theories and analysis'
this is such an amazing and well-thought-out video, i'm actually in shock. you have a new subscriber for sure :) ! Some other things related to what you said that i wanted to mention(not exactly theories, just interesting details:
1. Anaxa's full name is Anaxagoras, the philosopher guy in real life who seems to have invented the concept of Nous, a cosmic mind that predicted all things. Like you said, he probably is a neretic of some sort or at least knows a whole lot of things he shouldn't, and is punished for saying them aloud. irl anaxagoras was exiled for saying things that we know today are objectively true, ex the eclipse is just the sun and moon crossing and there's no divine anything involved. considering eclipses were mentioned in the first teaser trailer, that may be relevant! he may also be "aware" of the time loop/inconsistencies within amphoreus, which could be the knowledge that makes him be considered a heretic.
2.(spoilers for hi3!!!) the og flamechaser story ended with them deleting the memory versions of themselves that were being corrupted by a virus- exactly what you said in the video. the parallel is uncanny. the main theme was moving forward and leaving the past behind, but if you're right and the past is not the true past, plus with March's overall character themes, this story might be about what you can learn from the past to create a better future. it lines up with what you said, i believe!
3. the infinity symbol amphoreus is in the shape of could be an indication it's running in some kind of eternal loop(i like your word, "limbo", a lot too!) that it needs to be broken out of. someone on twitter mentioned it looked in the trailers like the loop was breaking on one side, so we're almost definitely getting them out of that loop!
4. not a theory, just a question- why is Black Swan taking us there, and for what reason is she being not upfront about what is happening? could it be even the memokeepers are not yet sure of mythus' influence?
just some thoughts! again, this video was incredible :) have a nice day/night!
0:00 it's ridiculous how this intro made me burst into laughter
Subbed and liked. Amazing info and lovely voice !!
With all this prophecy and stuff and the last part of the trailer showing the entire stellaron hunter, i wouldn't be surprised if the 3rd path affecting Amphoreus is the Finality
I am Greek and I remember how ecstatic and spazzy I was when Dr. Ratio came out. Now I get a whole planet?? A whole story?? A whole cast of characters?? Im fucking jumping for joy.
A small thing i noticed about the Sparkle part: her stigma in HI3rd include her sitting in a Greek amphitheater
Amazing Video as always!!!!
if all of this is true, and they STILL don't give us screwllum.......
Our robot goat will arrive one day with appropriate lore and story relevance :3
@@tiekogalaxylatte8839 here's hoping!
This is how lore early access looks like.
"Amphoreus is the past and Kevin became Nanook" - some random guy in the interwebs
0:02 best Ashikai Intro of 2025
18:57 reach the end of the story in your own way
18:54 ? ish
TH-cam kept me from this video for an ELEVEN WHOLE MINUTES. A horrible betrayal
Also I have a crack theory that the Travelers are Akivili, and that's why THEY went missing. Think about it, the Travelers are both god knows how old, extremely powerful, and their power runs on the faith and wishes of others, kind of like how the train runs on trailblazing spirit.
Also, whenever the Traveler is doing their traveler wish-gathering thing, people are always wishing for continuance, for their nations to not be lost to time. Also, we have confirmation that Teyvat, HI3rd, and HSR are all in the same universe! Ik hyv is too chicken to actually do it, but it would be cool imo
Akivili, aeons in general draw their power from their path not wishes nor will of their followers, the traveller is too weak to be an aeon tbh, they got curbstomp by a terrestrial deity (Asmoday).
@rawr30009 i knoww 😔😔 it's just crack bc i think i'd be funny
As a lore player your thoughts and theories are more convincing to me ❤❤
This all makes a lot of sense to me and my head went to a similar place with thinking the enigmata is most likely involved as the 3rd Aeon. The Titans actually being inorganic creatures infected by the anti-organic equation would also be really cool and just make sense with the foreshadowing of gold & gears.
I have a couple things that I hope to hear about through 3.+ updates:
1. More about Nanook, I just can't get the golden blood imagery out of my head, I wanna know how and why it ties this planet to Nanook.
2. Some of 12 Titans VERY reminiscent of eons. Some in their logo's designs, some in their point. Like, it could be nothing, but since when that's in hoyo's fashion?
Also, it's not related, but I crave something in hsr, that has influence of both Aha and Mythus, that'd be so incredibly interesting I think.
16:48 its also possible that during the time on which Amphoreus was not isolated as you theorized the Geniuses and possibly other factions (factions most likely related to the Enigmata and Remembrance) was present in the planet, as the Cosmodyssey event refered to these era as the Aeonic Age (Aeonic= Age on which the Aeons were most influential).
3:13 it makes Amphoreus really like a Dark Souls world, like in 3 souls chapter there're an non-ending loop where Ember Lords took the fire from Old Gods and try to keep it with the world
your theory MUST be correct, cause many of your observations are similar to mine and the theory I shared with my friends!