**NOTES & CORRECTIONS** - Tlaloc is actually the AZTEC EQUIVALENT for Chaac rather than an alternate name. The names are sometimes used interchangeably which isn't really correct. Sorry for the inadequate wording here.
I get the feeling that the Traveler is going to acquire the pyro gnosis and become the new Pyro Archon, which is why we don't have access to the pyro abilities yet. It also gives us a reason to go to Snezhnaya and interact with the Tsaritsa as she tries to convince us to give her the last gnosis she needs in exchange for information on our Sibling or by convincing us her plan is the best one
@@JomatoSoup it's gonna be a missed opportunity if they don't honestly, They build up the Abyss sibling to complete the loom of fate just a few patch ago and now natlan's problem is literally about the lack of Ley lines which will be the perfect opportunity for the loom of fate to weave new leylines
Worth noting: Mavuika DIED. When she “placed her life into the sacred flame” it burned away her original body. She came back bc presumably the previous archon before her current life revived her before dying themself. And bc all the archons following her likely have some of her memories, similar to how ancient name bearers have memories of past bearers. So the archon 500 years after she offed herself would know to revive her just in time. Also if she’s IN the sacred flame and not in the night kingdom, then she can be revived without her consciousness being washed away into the overall night kingdom. I say this bc she came back as a regular person and was selected as Archon again due to her great strength. Also this does indeed mean it may he possible to revive Xbalanque. If he did the same thing as Mavuika, then her plan might just be to revive him somehow. (Maybe to sacrifice the collective ancient names to give him enough power to defeat the abyss in the night kingdom once and for all. Bc all those ancient names carry a TON of memories, which translate to a ton of elemental energy.
Ye, if she has the memory of the archons, she also has Xbalanque's memories and knows why he went into the flame. So maybe it's actually his plan all along, or he hoped someone would come up with a better plan and she did...
@@RevanZim You might be spot on as *SPOILERS BELOW* It's confirmed that she has access to memories of Xbalanque, and his convos with the shade. I can't wait for the volcano portion of the region to be released.. I believe it will be taller than dragon spine, given the way it looks.
When Ashikai theorizes: master crafted theory video When I theorize: *the abyss is repelled by raw elemental energy**slimes have raw elemental energy* WHY DON’T WE JUST TAKE ALL THE SLIMES AND SHOVE THEM INTO THE ABYSS
Genshin : so turns out there's this extremely technologically advanced civilization that was there before humans that was thriving until a higher power came and reduced it all to ashes and now all we have is poorly understood ruins and very few records and living things. Also there's a giant tree with all the information in the world. And an ensemble of different material and immaterial worlds somehow connected to each other and sometimes they switch. Honkai: first time?
Wait...this literally just made me realise that Irminsul and by extension Nahida ought to have complete access to the worlds records of all lost civilisations who's worldly memory haven't purposely been tampered with. Unless someone is consciously erasing every piece of information that wouldnt be salvageable from what ruins remain as those ruins degrade over time, there should definitely be a lot more information about literally every historical and archaeological mystery in Teyvat at the Dendro Archon's fingertips, so why is nobody mentioning this? Why is Sumeru not the first place people go when they have questions?!
It's basically mihoyo remembering that one time in patch 1.0 when venti explained how, more the faith and control an archon exercises, the stronger they become
there's a pretty interesting similarity between real physics and this dual elemental energy-memory energy bit, which is that in physics matter and energy are basically interchangable. matter is more concentrated so you need more energy to make matter, but it makes kind of sense for memories to translate to physical elemental energy
About the Wayob, in Maya, Wayob is the plural form of Uay (or way, pronounced why). Hyv probably named them “Wayob” because they are a collective consciousness, multiple Uay in one.
It’s really intriguing that the Pyro Throne was only established after Xbalanque defeated the Pyro Dragon Sovereign. This means that the Primordial One didn’t manage to defeat all the Sovereigns. Was the Pyro Sovereign too strong or did it flee from the Primordial One?
Probably few died and others went beneath the seas etc. Like hydro dragon was died and to avoid his birth, shade of life created egeria from heart of primodial sea. Only after her death, he was born. Also werent ppl saying that pyro sovereign killed shade of death ? (One of shade of primodial). So pyro soverign is kinda strong. I wonder if nebuleng is dragon king of 7 dragons or if he was one of the 7 dragon who was powerful and others called him king. Hoyo need to clarify this.
My interpretation of murals in the world quest is that the original sovereign was defeated and the throne was established prior but the dragons came back later and killed one of the 4 shades and burned the "silver tree" in Natlan. Presumably regaining the authority in the process.
With all the emphasis this patch on how elemental energy is the best way to combat the Abyss and Traveller being nearly immune to the Abyss, and elemental energy being the original power of the ancient dragons and the Traveler being able to control elements in a way no one else can, we don't seem to be beating the "The Twins are actually dragons from old Teyvat" allegations in Natlan. "Makes you wonder what a Celestial Nail even is" OH SHIT. If Celestial Nails are made out of the collective consciousnesses of people (seelies? dragons? vision bearers?), used by Celestia without their consent.... ;.;
yknow what yes from the begininning i suspected that i am even saying that khaneriahns were like dragon ppl eclipse dynasty i assume and alberich clan so traveller home world might have been evaporated by p.o and they forgot and left the world in hopes of finding new world and then they travelled OR they are the successors their ancestors were dragons and the memory which k talks to lumine is prbly given by him?
I feel like this doesn't make sense, because if the traveler can use all elements, why wouldn't he just be nibelung. There's a reason they have a dragon sovereign for each element, having someone that can master all of them just renders that concept as nonsensical, kind of. Unless the evil twin can't use them at all and the good twin is a human manifestation of nibelung. Nonetheless, I don't think this is true, a lot of characters and beings refer to us as being stars, and unless they are wrong there is no way of us being from teyvat
@@suz1695 Maybe they could be Niebelung's children? That would fit with the whole "you were meant to inherit/rule this world" thing if they were the children of the dragon king of the world. And they could be both dragons and stars, I suppose. If the narwhal can be both a whale and a black hole, then a dragon could be both a dragon and a star. That would be an interesting parallel, with the narwhal's realm personifying the absence of light, and the creatures from the Light realm, the dragons, being the _source_ of light, aka stars. But I'm not convinced of the dragon theory myself.
Something I've been thinking about is the fact that the Travelers were observed before arriving to Teyvat and that they might even arrived because people wished on them as stars... So maybe Lumine arriving to Natlan was one of the pieces of the plan and why the Archon had to travel 500 years forward, that besides the accumulation of memories of the 6 heroes. So when Mavuika told the traveler that she knows more about them that they can possibly anticipate, maybe she knows that Khaenria was observing them..... Or even she met the other sibling... There's a lot to unpack in this chapter of the story, and it fits since in the next phase in Sneznaya we are probably going to hear about the nature of the heavenly principles and the plan against them, knowing more about the abyss and the role of the twins in the story seem fitting... But who knows, theory-crafting is not my forte , I love it but I'm way to lazy to do all the work and sometimes I can anticipate stuff but it's like 50/50.
Didn't the travail trailer say something like the pyro archon sharing a secret with the traveller due to her own reasons? That might add onto your idea.
@@Nikimoney86 Yeah, I was thinking about that too. I'm quite exited about this chapter, Fontaine was amazing because Furina's and Focalors story was fascinating endearing at the same time and it shown us that people other than the Fatui are defying the heavenly principles in their own ways... But in here we might get some answers that we were hoping for since the beginning of the game.
It's nice when the game actually remembers somekind of ability a character did a long time ago. makes the traveler less generic MC by further emphasizing their unique powers
i wish they'd remember it sooner. like i was so excited the game remembered its own words but i find it very convenient how the traveler just suddenly remember it can purify things with abyssal energy right now of all places
Traveller: u know I'm something of a purifier myself.... 😏 Paimon: remembering how the traveller used a gadget in the chasm, had to collect dendro things to purify withering zones, needed arama's help to fight the marana's avatar, needed to perform the elaborate sacred Sakura rites and the whole pari debacle.... 🤬🤬🤬
Finally people can stop speculating if the flower feather clan is the pyro tribe or the anemo tribe now that ashikai has come and said that it's meant to be the anemo tribe, it makes no sense to have a dedicated pyro tribe when all of the tribes are using the power of pyro through the archon and the sacred flame
@@bisayafascist5725 consider that Natlan's main color scheme is red and green, with anything scared flame or phlogiston related being red+green, everything from the grainfruit to the long-necked rhinos
@@bisayafascist5725anemo really dont have a color scheme on them and can be any color it want. all the Anemo characters have different color schemes such as Wanderer is blue and white, Heizou is white and golden brown, Xianyun is mostly Black, Faruzan has like a pastel light blue/teal blue etc. so Flower Feather Clan could be any color coz air can be Hot, Cold, or Warm.
I'm just stoked for what the Traveler gets as an ancient name because that's gonna be so telling for how the story will go. My personal hope is that it involves something like "weaving", "one who lays", "connection", or "founder" because that could indicate that Traveler could help achieve the same event that was attempted with the Loom of Fate, creating new leylines for Natlan. I think the construction of new leylines would be a good way to end the need for the Pyro Archon and use the stored memories of the Night Kingdom to give these unique shapes. Essentially, I'm hoping that the end result of Natlan takes inspiration from the Nazca Lines in the real world
Aether/Lumine itself could be the ancient names of the twins since Aether especially might be based on the ancient greek myths that is a being part of the first pair of Aeons in existence which represents primordial light iirc. The other half of the pair represents chaos/the abyss
10:35 I feel like it might be easier to find them because the ancient names act like an address, you can "search up" the ancient name and find the current bearer.
yeah I was gonna say, the ancient names and their obsidian feathers almost seem like dog tags (which would kinda make sense, seeing as natlan is constantly at war with the abyss and ancient name bearers are the "soldiers" who are chosen to fight)
Wayob's are actually referred to as Collective Consciousnesses in book you find as part of Hidden Exploration Objective "Miracles of the Dreamseeker Priest" - you can find it on wiki if you don't want to look around Natlan, although it's interesting one.
Oh my god this video is such a life saver. I don't know if it's just me, but I swear it's been harder to piece Natlan's worldbuilding together than it has been with literally anywhere else. I've repeatedly had to go reread things the past few months, but now it's all here nice and easy to put in order
Oh and idk if you noticed this, but you can't name the lil dino "Kapatcir", he will give the same reason as the other Sovereigns. Which should have confirmed that the Thunderbird was the Electro Sovereign, considering her ancient age and connection with Moon Princesses it sounds reasonable If that so, then Ei has the most control over electro
21:59 The leylines were most likely destroyed by the Pyro Sovereign"The pitch black flames scorched the land, and even the white tree withered, and the final envoy's glow shattered"
She did say she was technically still 3 heroes short, referring to us. Remember that hydro traveller also has an Arkhe alignment, meaning pyro traveller will likely have nightsoul as a mechanic too. I still think that with the ancient name she's gonna give us, we will be allowed to compete in the tournament, and win the title of pyro archon. That's how we get the gnosis and the remainder of her power, and also become the last hero she needs.
Excellent video as always! I was surprised it wasn’t an hour long lol! (Not surprised you managed a deshret reference lmao) I’m excited for everything that’s coming!!! I really really really hope you address the fact that we haven’t seen any normal seelies in natlan but we saw one in the night kingdom! I think that’s really interesting and definitely has lore implications!!! My favorite interpretation was a theory on Reddit that the night kingdom is the real natlan and the natlan we are traveling through is the ley lines/a samsara/etc. this was also helped by the fact that we can see the celestial nail in the night kingdom but no where (not even an impact crater like the chasm) on the “surface”. Granted this is basically the exact opposite of what you said in this video, but I still think it’s a really interesting idea!
the way I actually paused and said "shut up🤯" out loud when you mentioned the leyline outcrop colors = celestial nails. Never noticed that!! Great video as always
Your myths are really cool! Mexico was the cradle of a lot of civillisations with their own cultures and stories, you should be very proud to share these traditions^^
@@Pandabreadie thanks! There are a lot more that it would be amazing if they're added to Genshin, like the legend of Popocatepetl and Iztaccíhuatl. It's so beautiful and I think it would make for a great quest
I really feel like the Natlan Archon quests keeps bringing up things that reflect or parallel the overall story of the game. Like what is really up with the Traveler being here. My own thoughts on the Traveler's journey that this video made me think of: Traveler has to gain the connections to Teyvat and it's people/inhabitants inorder to fight ...Celestia maybe? So gaining an Ancient Name, having a connection with Irminsul.
@Ashikai I intentionally seek out and stay to the end of your videos - I wish I had the self discipline to read all the things and do extra research, but I don't. Your insights and theories always make me even more excited and in love with Teyvat. Thank you for your service, and don't worry about how long it takes to put your puzzle pieces together.
@Ashikai the pyro dragon sovereign destroyed the ley line system 17:39 . Source-between pledge and forgotence quest and xbalanque is the first pyro archon source- kinich story quest. I speculate that the the first pyro archon defeated the dragon sovereign and was recognised by the Celestia and ascended to archonhood and died,then the dragon sovereign was reborn instead of the real xbalanque. I also think that the sacred flame is.Xbalanque trying to repel the abyss and he did that so he could use his power to repel the abyss and his people can become archon by using is power when neuvillete was teased it was written xbalanque - one entombed with the primal fire, so it can be speculated that xbalanque is the primal fire
I also think that the dragon sovereign and xbalanque planned the dragon death as the dragon wanted his authority back, so he asked xbalanque to kill him, and then die himself so that the dragon can trick Celestia into thinking that the dragon sovereign is dead, but when xbalanque reborn, it was the dragon sovereign and the human companion both together reborn and acended to archonhood that is why the people of natlan have dragon companions as xbalanque companion was the sovereign himself
So, hear me out. If Natlan isn't connected to the rest of Teyvat's ley lines, does that mean the people here might actually remember certain things like tales of Greater Lord Rukkhadevata? Especially since they border Sumeru.
@@medea5508 the war between the fprimodial one ( phane) and sovereign dragon cause collateral damage to teyvat Natlan took the most dmg which the result is it’s leyline destroyed
I don't think Chasca is the Flower Feather Clan Hero, because if she was then Mavuika wouldn't have told the group about the plan. Mavuika made it very clear that she does know who the heroes are, but she needs them to discover the true meaning of their name and their mission for themselves. If it was Chasca, Mavuika wouldn't have said anything or waited for when she wasn't present. I think it's going to be Ifa- the Saurian vet who has only been mentioned in NPC dialogue and the Natlan character's voice lines. He's explicitly stated to be from the Flower Feather Clan and at this point we know that a character has to be playable or plot important if multiple characters mention them. Unless they bring up someone else, it's likely going to be him.
There's no certain way for Chasca to conclude that she's one of the heroes, thus I doubt it's an issue for Mavuika to talk about it infront of Chasca. That would only be possible if Chasca were to be the only ancient name bearer in her tribe, but we do know that there can be more than one ancient name bearers in each tribe. Mavuika doesn't specify that the hero of Flower-feather clan is Chasca, and the ambiguity of it should not harm the opportunity for Chasca to discover the meaning of her ancient name.
that'll be kinda rare considering that Genshin PVs use the characters related to the AQ, but Natlan seems to be the kryptonite for pattern seekers so it may be possible.
@@turtleismyreligion879 I still think, going by Mavuika's character, that she wouldn't take that risk. Otherwise, why not be just as ambiguous with everyone else to at least have them be aware. It just doesn't seem like a smart move to have Chasca even be aware that the plan exists, given how serious Mavuika takes having her people find their own inner flame. Of course I am open to being wrong and that Hoyo really is going to play this as straight as possible. I just am open to the possibility that they're going to throw in a few big twists in Natlan. PS: I was also going to consider the fact that Chasca's original tribe isn't known because she was raised in the wild for a majority of her formative years. But I don't think Natlan's lore would be so strict that blood will determine such a thing (in other words- if the Wayob recognize her as part of the Feather clan, then she is part of the Feather clan.)
@@pinkraven7043 the thing is chasca was raised by the Qucasaurs, and they are the representatives of the flower-feather clan/anemo-using saurians (meaning they use and live off phlogiston in some capacity). No one is really as close to them as she is, to the point where she’s almost one of them in a large capacity (such as the temperment she has being portrayed to us in the quest being similar to that of a territorial or aggressive animal at times) because of that environment.
This reminds me a lot of the "Abyss" in Mage The Awakening, it's a realm of magic that is anti-reality kinda, like a donut hole, the hole of a donut is a empty space, but the concept of donut holes as a product gives a real physical form to something empty and non-existant. Anyway, one of the main concepts of the campaign I was in was, "Only with everything, can you defeat nothing." Feels fitting for Mavuika's plan.
Im once again reminded that Askikai should be a voice actor for anime. Definitely has the right voice. Also, the lore part is neat, since. You know. Thats why we're here. To add to that, the idea of Phlogiston (the scientific name was also Phlogiston) was actually pulled from an 18th century scientific theory explained as "the principle of fire". Which explains a lot in Natlan.
Her talking about “thoughts can become things (and vice versa)” reminds me of two things: mass and energy being the same thing expressed different ways and Destiny 2’s plotline. In Destiny, light and dark were seen as two opposites. An objective good and an objective bad (more literally though we've come to find out that the Light has dominion over the physical world and creates things while the Darkness lives in mental space and can utilize memory). A few years ago they were finally recognized as two sides of the same coin. Necessary for balance. Under that context, it slowly stopped being taboo for people to use the powers of the darkness. The Final Shape was actually pretty focused on tearing down ALL barriers between the two. This came in the form of Prismatic. The Guardian can use not only the three elements of the light at the same time, but the current two of the dark as well (rather than being attuned to one of the 5 separately like the Traveler in Genshin is or how the Guardian is the rest of the time). Maybe we’ll see the Traveler using powers from the abyss at some point (maybe after the Cryo Archon shenanigans). This also raises the idea that there could be an abyss equivalent to the elemental powers. In Destiny the flavors of space magic interact with their own concepts from physics, the light can come in the form of Solar (fire/ energy), Arc (lighting/ electromagnetism), and Void (This is debatable but its usually cited as gravity). In contrast, you have the Darkness with (so far) Stasis (Ice/ a reduction in entropy) which runs opposite to solar in both color and function and Strand (taps into another layer of reality made of the the connections between all living things) which runs similarly to Arc (but opposite in color) as electrons are the fundamental particles of electromagnetism. Electrons are also elementary particles. Elementary particles are (theorized to be) made up of “strings” which is seen as string theory. This is funny given strand is represented by ropes and strings and a lot of verbs around it focus on “weaving” and “severing” things. The layer of reality revealed by it and which interact with to use strand is called the weave and everything. All of that is to say: Maybe we will see some abyss variants of the elements. The antiparticles to the particles of the physical elements. Every electron needs its positron right?
I do think it could be cool if we got some kind of Abyss-like power. Maybe the Traveler could find that there is some kind of Dark Element within the Abyss that the Traveler could separate and purify allowing others to use this power without risk of corruption.
I'm so scared that they will decide to make Capitano Xbalanque, due to both of them being masked figures with dragon motifs, because that will be a bummer, but hopefully this isn't the case, hopefully 😅
What I do think, is that he's related to the Wayob in some type of way, in his fight with Mavuika he doesn't control ice per sé, he launched and summoned pillars of cold obsidian, the same obsidian that the wayob are made out of, maybe he's an obsidian gollem/wayob with a fragment of previous archons consciousness in him
I'm so happy you touched on the wayob's similarities to the nails. It was my immediate connection when I first saw the Night Kingdom pillar version of them. Honestly, you're always so good at spotting the patterns in genshin lore and then fleshing them out with such good examples!
So, if these songs exist and Venti knows all songs-past, present, and future-does that mean he could also resurrect or create life, like Rukkhadevata did with the Aranaras? (copium) I just need a theory connecting Venti to the importance of songs in the lore and how everything ties back to him 😭😭
I'll assume that the 0:24 clip was an ad 🤣 Tsurumi Island also has some VERY Night Kingdom vibes and with the Thunderbird. There's also the "Mistress" The spirit Boatmen mentions might have ties to Ronova as well.
Oh yes, I was looking for Natlan explanation Videos yesterday and was sad to see that you haven't made one yet and now today I see this and now my life is complete🎉 Thank you!
Natlan is so different in just how it FUNCTIONS that combined with the complete lack of travellors or even really mention of it anywhere else in the world, this nation feels like its not in Teyvat at all in a way? Like, its not a secret that the Archon is a lineage of humans inheriting the legacy, so why did NOBODY bring it up when everything with Furina came out? It should be common knowledge everywhere in Teyvat bc plenty of tourists travel TO Natlan and that seems like a helluva thing to be able to tell everyone when you get home! Same with "most of their warriors know what death is like and are totally casual about it bc they just come back" and "it turns out there used to be dragons ruling the world and human civilisations functioned around them but theres no sign left anywhere but Natlan" and so on, its made this nation feel like its in some sort of pocket dimension where only people like Neuvilette and Furina can actually remember anything about Natlan bc of gnosis privilege or something, and to the rest of Teyvat Natlan...exists, and something stops them thinking any further than that I hope its intentional, like, there IS a consequence for them apparently not being properly connected to Irminsul (since they dont have proper Leylines aka Irminsul's roots, could that mean that the world's memory doesnt have a proper grasp of this nation and everyone in it, like a faulty version of Wanderer's situation?) and Hoyo is playing the long game, but even if it is it doesnt change the fact that the actual experience of playing the game leaves you weirdly jarred when you step out of Natlan and remember all the interconnected storytelling of Teyvat functioning as a whole instead of just isolated areas that makes it feel alive as a world. Its like Natlan is missing out on something crucial to the Genshin experience Am i making any sense 😅
I completely agree. It's making it hard for me to enjoy Natlan tbh. It feels like we travelled to a different planet just for this nation. I hope Snezhnaya doesn't feel like this.
@slaybutton1692 it already can't be like Natkan again, not when we've been learning about the Fatui since the very first patch of the game and have a bunch of little details about non-fatui life and a playable character from there that we will undoubtedly interact with again when we go. Even if there's probably also going to be system of gameplay unique to the area like the Fontaine pneuma-ousia, thing or the nightsoul mechanics of Natlan, Shneznaya is narratively integrated into the story more than any other nation
@@pipedream2556 for me i think it all boils down to how they represent the nation's relationship with the divine, like each nation so far has been slightly less and less intertwined with gods, its a present theme with the first 4 nations but comes stage center with fontaine and the abolishment of the hydro archon, and the revelation that furina was acting as a stand in for the aforementioned god. i wasnt sure how i expected natlan to carry this theme forward but its still jarring that, like you mentioned earlier, the pyro archon is not only human but its common knowledge. this created one of the biggest disconnects for me and the main story. so far world exploration and quests have been keeping me enamored with natlan. i dont think hoyo will do the same thing with the cryo archon but it worries me that its still a possibility, that somehow shneznaya's god is gonna be some human woman and that this is also indeed common knowledge. on an unrelated note, the idea of gods being shelved for the wayobs kinda makes sense to me, some of the cultures hoyo pulled from have a history of ancestral worship which seems to be what the wayobs are, but the other cultures present have gods, i generally like the idea of the sacred flame and the archons throwing themselves into them, its very mesoamerican, so why the flame the flame doesnt make the archon a literal god is beyond me, i get in universe its because Xblanque didnt want that but this felt like a missed opprotunity
@@slaybutton1692no reason for it to feel like natlan when we have a legitimate reason for it feeling the way it does. also this is literally just the first part of the story.
You absolutely have to revisit your world structure theory now. I've been doing some theorizing too using the information and ideas you've presented and I'm super excited to see what you come up with lol
I think you're (big) bang on with this one! One thought I had while you were explaining how the Pyro Archon will gather the 6 ancient name-bearers is the parallel with the Fatui. Genshin seems to love analogous storytelling, so by collecting the gnosis'...
the way i checked for any new ashikai vids yesterday night and a few hours later (while i was asleep) there it is. new video. can't wait for the deshret mention.
I feel like even though natlan is supposed to be inspired by civilizations around the ring of fire it is also somewhat inspired dy ancient Greece mualani going into the kingdom of the dead to rescue someone dear to her, kinda like Orpheus. That dragon with the name I won't bother with stealing the phlogiston and giving it to the humans is kinda like what prometheus. In general the focus on human heros and their exploits and how people in natlan prove their valor in the stadium which is designed kinda like an amphitheater
Perhaps Bennett is an example of the consequences Natlandians face when leaving Natlan without help from the Wayob. He’s presumably from Natlan, he left Natlan with an outlander (who most likely didn’t consult the Wayob on his way out because he was literally dying), and Bennett has stated that he doesn’t really leave Mondstadt, so there is a chance that this bad luck is a result of Bennett’s “mirror self” still being in Natlan’s ley lines or the night kingdom.
Thanks for this kind of content. I've finally madr sense of it now..understanding the sacred flame a little more. Kinich's story quest supports ehat you said because in the ritual part, we use the sacred flame to erase those abyssal blob things or whatever they are properly called. I juat did that story yesterday.
the night kingdom is a mix between Xibalba, the Kong cosmogram and Patakatifu. Patakatifu can be linked to the stadium which is also a temple wonder if she'll she this 🤔
the Kong cosmogram also explains how mavuika is able to retrieve souls and how she is the sun that never set's the little hint the dev's left in the live stream
22:05 Bad news, he have a companion who is a relic of an ancient time that caught Enjou's attention, and he want Kinich dead so he can take him over In story telling wise, it make Kinich goes to the "this is bad" character red flag tier, below the big 3: Albedo, Lisa and Childe
I was watching your simulanka video as I started the archon quest and hearing you talk about how the traveler might be more of a ‘witness’ to the world’s events rather than the true hero while not getting to participate in the tournament was a really interesting overlap. I thought they were going to pull some black magic “able to control the phlogiston” or something to make them eligible so it was really satisfying to see that pan out.
20:31 it depends if he was already dying it would be unlikely else he would only remain alive for a very short time. It worked for the current pyro archon because she was still young and had more life to live.
Great video as usual! But seriously, what are the chances that Xbalanque would actually be a playable character? I'm so desperate to know at this point help-
We might only speculate as in maybe he will be brought back by Mavuika by the Ode of Resurrection. You can also go and "dig" some more on your own on other sites, but until we get a confirmation, nothing is clear.
just from a marketing standpoint probably zero considering mavuika is showcased as the 'archon' for natlan just like furina was for fontaine and nahida is for sumeru. Bringing back another pyro archon would be pointless and just downplay the current one. The pyro sovereign is more likely
I don’t know how relevant this is for what Phlogiston is in the lore of Genshin, but a TH-cam channel called Chemistorian made a recent video about the history of the theory of Phlogiston and how it lead to the discovery of oxygen.
5 minutes in and I have to stop because you really swung and missed. People of the Springs is a retelling of the hawaiian monarchy story. King Kamehameha united the many different hawaiian tribes into a sovereign kingdom. Also, all the names are hawaiian, although apparently the pronunciation key was not understood, so it's all severely mispronounced.
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![[4.8] What Simulanka Tells Us About Natlan - A Genshin Impact Theory](/img/n.gif)
**NOTES & CORRECTIONS**
- Tlaloc is actually the AZTEC EQUIVALENT for Chaac rather than an alternate name. The names are sometimes used interchangeably which isn't really correct. Sorry for the inadequate wording here.
Also when you said that the wayob is collective consciousness you're right there is a not in natlan that conforms that if you read it
You can find it through koystin video dream through the web
You should do the dream through the wep achievement it has alot of interesting lore
I get the feeling that the Traveler is going to acquire the pyro gnosis and become the new Pyro Archon, which is why we don't have access to the pyro abilities yet. It also gives us a reason to go to Snezhnaya and interact with the Tsaritsa as she tries to convince us to give her the last gnosis she needs in exchange for information on our Sibling or by convincing us her plan is the best one
“Wait, it’s all Sumeru lore?”
“Always has been”
Ashikai try not to relate everything to Deshret challenge (impossible)
Remember the realm that consumes everything in it as if its a belly of a beast in Chasm?
@@eurekadiaz3771 Yeah, the one where you did the quest with Itto, Yelan, Yanfei, Kuki and Xiao?
I love sumeru
@@eurekadiaz3771 Thats childe lore
ashikai: wayob means "dreamer"
me: here we go
ashikai: golden slumber mention
me: there it is
ITS ALL KING DESHRET! xD
👨🚀 :Wait, it's all king Deshret?
👨🚀 :Always has been.
LETS GOOO
Maybe xiangling is also king deshret since all of the genshin meta usually trails back to her as well lol
I already felt that Deshret mention is coming when collective unconscious was mentioned LOL
Abyss twin having the ability to basically weave new leylines and Natlan needing leylines is verrrry interesting right about now.
Now I wish the abyss sibling and Dainsleif is gonna play a part in natlan archon quests
@@lelouchvibritannia1662 I’m really hoping they do at some point!
@@JomatoSoup it's gonna be a missed opportunity if they don't honestly, They build up the Abyss sibling to complete the loom of fate just a few patch ago and now natlan's problem is literally about the lack of Ley lines which will be the perfect opportunity for the loom of fate to weave new leylines
You know…I totally forgot about that…🧍♂️
Would be interesting....if the abyss wasn't trying to destroy natlan for who knows how long
Worth noting: Mavuika DIED. When she “placed her life into the sacred flame” it burned away her original body. She came back bc presumably the previous archon before her current life revived her before dying themself. And bc all the archons following her likely have some of her memories, similar to how ancient name bearers have memories of past bearers. So the archon 500 years after she offed herself would know to revive her just in time. Also if she’s IN the sacred flame and not in the night kingdom, then she can be revived without her consciousness being washed away into the overall night kingdom.
I say this bc she came back as a regular person and was selected as Archon again due to her great strength.
Also this does indeed mean it may he possible to revive Xbalanque. If he did the same thing as Mavuika, then her plan might just be to revive him somehow. (Maybe to sacrifice the collective ancient names to give him enough power to defeat the abyss in the night kingdom once and for all. Bc all those ancient names carry a TON of memories, which translate to a ton of elemental energy.
Ye, if she has the memory of the archons, she also has Xbalanque's memories and knows why he went into the flame. So maybe it's actually his plan all along, or he hoped someone would come up with a better plan and she did...
Oh my goodness this is basically just Stray Gods with the eidolons and I love it
Oooh, that's a good theory - sacrificing the ancient names for their stored power.
:D
@@RevanZim You might be spot on as
*SPOILERS BELOW*
It's confirmed that she has access to memories of Xbalanque, and his convos with the shade.
I can't wait for the volcano portion of the region to be released.. I believe it will be taller than dragon spine, given the way it looks.
when we needed her most, she came back with the lore
I'm so fucking tired with comments like yours holy shit
@@Aether776and yet you validate me with a response 😭 brother you played yourself
@@berrybread7215 i don't really care, i am genuinely sick and tired of seeing the same goddamn comment everywhere.
@@Aether776i mean? just ignore it then, who’s got your eyes duct taped open forcing you to read every comment 😭
@@berrybread7215they kinda insulted you i'm not sure if that's validation
When Ashikai theorizes: master crafted theory video
When I theorize: *the abyss is repelled by raw elemental energy**slimes have raw elemental energy* WHY DON’T WE JUST TAKE ALL THE SLIMES AND SHOVE THEM INTO THE ABYSS
Maybe this is why Paimon is so resistant to abyssal power lol
The abyss is not a place exactly
@@schopenhauer5427 It is, the abyss is just known as the Void Realm, one of the 3 realms of Tevyat (besides the Light Realm & Human realm)
Patrick Star approved.
DILUC WAS ONTO SOMETHING WITH THAT MISTFLOWER CONCOCTION, LET'S MAKE MORE OF THAT 👀
Genshin : so turns out there's this extremely technologically advanced civilization that was there before humans that was thriving until a higher power came and reduced it all to ashes and now all we have is poorly understood ruins and very few records and living things. Also there's a giant tree with all the information in the world. And an ensemble of different material and immaterial worlds somehow connected to each other and sometimes they switch.
Honkai: first time?
All branches lead back to the Collapse
Wait it's all Honkai?
Always has been
tbh, if Traveler really cares, he can just go to Nahida "sup can you check up Natlan's history, why, what, how, when, who etc etc for me real quick?"
this isn't even genshins first time
Wait...this literally just made me realise that Irminsul and by extension Nahida ought to have complete access to the worlds records of all lost civilisations who's worldly memory haven't purposely been tampered with. Unless someone is consciously erasing every piece of information that wouldnt be salvageable from what ruins remain as those ruins degrade over time, there should definitely be a lot more information about literally every historical and archaeological mystery in Teyvat at the Dendro Archon's fingertips, so why is nobody mentioning this? Why is Sumeru not the first place people go when they have questions?!
Has anyone thought about the fact that we have never seen Xiangling and the pyro archon in the same room?
XIANGLING OPPA
Or bannett...
I love that the time stamp about Golden Slumber is "Obligatory Deshret mention" hahahaha!
Contending Fire is the Pyro equivalent of Indemnitium........ Elemental energy in its purest form :o
yes it is
It's basically mihoyo remembering that one time in patch 1.0 when venti explained how, more the faith and control an archon exercises, the stronger they become
there's a pretty interesting similarity between real physics and this dual elemental energy-memory energy bit, which is that in physics matter and energy are basically interchangable. matter is more concentrated so you need more energy to make matter, but it makes kind of sense for memories to translate to physical elemental energy
This version gave me one of the hardest decisions I've ever had to make in the game:
What to name my Little Buddy
Since the Saurians give me Pokémon vibes, I named mine Rockruff!
Geoffery
Lagann
Snickers
Groudon
i love it when ashikai said "it's ashikaiing time!!" and proceeded to ashikai'd all over the place, best moments in history
FR
Is Ashikaing the verb for when you know "It all comes back to King Deshret!!"
Dream bubbles and hiveminds it is
About the Wayob, in Maya, Wayob is the plural form of Uay (or way, pronounced why). Hyv probably named them “Wayob” because they are a collective consciousness, multiple Uay in one.
It’s really intriguing that the Pyro Throne was only established after Xbalanque defeated the Pyro Dragon Sovereign. This means that the Primordial One didn’t manage to defeat all the Sovereigns. Was the Pyro Sovereign too strong or did it flee from the Primordial One?
Probably few died and others went beneath the seas etc. Like hydro dragon was died and to avoid his birth, shade of life created egeria from heart of primodial sea. Only after her death, he was born. Also werent ppl saying that pyro sovereign killed shade of death ? (One of shade of primodial). So pyro soverign is kinda strong. I wonder if nebuleng is dragon king of 7 dragons or if he was one of the 7 dragon who was powerful and others called him king. Hoyo need to clarify this.
I’m pretty sure it’s never stated that the primordial one killed the sovereigns just that they subjugated them I.e bring them under their control.
My interpretation of murals in the world quest is that the original sovereign was defeated and the throne was established prior but the dragons came back later and killed one of the 4 shades and burned the "silver tree" in Natlan. Presumably regaining the authority in the process.
No, he don’t kill shade of death, this is heavenly envoy. Shade of death Ranova, who gave power
And Apep alive, she Dendro sovering without Authority
With all the emphasis this patch on how elemental energy is the best way to combat the Abyss and Traveller being nearly immune to the Abyss, and elemental energy being the original power of the ancient dragons and the Traveler being able to control elements in a way no one else can, we don't seem to be beating the "The Twins are actually dragons from old Teyvat" allegations in Natlan.
"Makes you wonder what a Celestial Nail even is" OH SHIT. If Celestial Nails are made out of the collective consciousnesses of people (seelies? dragons? vision bearers?), used by Celestia without their consent.... ;.;
I'd rather take the "Twins are actually dragons" than the "Twins are actually Akivili".
yknow what yes from the begininning i suspected that i am even saying that khaneriahns were like dragon ppl eclipse dynasty i assume and alberich clan so traveller home world might have been evaporated by p.o and they forgot and left the world in hopes of finding new world and then they travelled OR they are the successors their ancestors were dragons and the memory which k talks to lumine is prbly given by him?
I feel like this doesn't make sense, because if the traveler can use all elements, why wouldn't he just be nibelung. There's a reason they have a dragon sovereign for each element, having someone that can master all of them just renders that concept as nonsensical, kind of. Unless the evil twin can't use them at all and the good twin is a human manifestation of nibelung.
Nonetheless, I don't think this is true, a lot of characters and beings refer to us as being stars, and unless they are wrong there is no way of us being from teyvat
@@suz1695 Maybe they could be Niebelung's children? That would fit with the whole "you were meant to inherit/rule this world" thing if they were the children of the dragon king of the world. And they could be both dragons and stars, I suppose. If the narwhal can be both a whale and a black hole, then a dragon could be both a dragon and a star. That would be an interesting parallel, with the narwhal's realm personifying the absence of light, and the creatures from the Light realm, the dragons, being the _source_ of light, aka stars. But I'm not convinced of the dragon theory myself.
I love getting to the end of each of your videos and you're like "wow i can't believe you made it this far" what do you MEAN?! I need my crumbs!
Literally! What do you mean, not many people get this far??? I look forward to this!
Bro giving us crumbs and didn't realize we were STARVING
Something I've been thinking about is the fact that the Travelers were observed before arriving to Teyvat and that they might even arrived because people wished on them as stars... So maybe Lumine arriving to Natlan was one of the pieces of the plan and why the Archon had to travel 500 years forward, that besides the accumulation of memories of the 6 heroes. So when Mavuika told the traveler that she knows more about them that they can possibly anticipate, maybe she knows that Khaenria was observing them..... Or even she met the other sibling... There's a lot to unpack in this chapter of the story, and it fits since in the next phase in Sneznaya we are probably going to hear about the nature of the heavenly principles and the plan against them, knowing more about the abyss and the role of the twins in the story seem fitting... But who knows, theory-crafting is not my forte , I love it but I'm way to lazy to do all the work and sometimes I can anticipate stuff but it's like 50/50.
Didn't the travail trailer say something like the pyro archon sharing a secret with the traveller due to her own reasons? That might add onto your idea.
@@Nikimoney86 Yeah, I was thinking about that too. I'm quite exited about this chapter, Fontaine was amazing because Furina's and Focalors story was fascinating endearing at the same time and it shown us that people other than the Fatui are defying the heavenly principles in their own ways... But in here we might get some answers that we were hoping for since the beginning of the game.
Its 12:50 AM in India. This is my “Bedtime Story” quest
So true. Same for me lol.
Same hahaha. I almost always sleep listening to Ashikai's video.
I was also referring to the 4.7 Dainsleif quest lol
@@haneechaitanya3832 Of course, I got the reference, was just adding to it. :D
It's nice when the game actually remembers somekind of ability a character did a long time ago. makes the traveler less generic MC by further emphasizing their unique powers
But they still doesnt do that in world quest and story quest 😅 still Im kinda glad traveler power in the main story again after mondstadt
i wish they'd remember it sooner. like i was so excited the game remembered its own words but i find it very convenient how the traveler just suddenly remember it can purify things with abyssal energy right now of all places
Traveller: u know I'm something of a purifier myself.... 😏
Paimon: remembering how the traveller used a gadget in the chasm, had to collect dendro things to purify withering zones, needed arama's help to fight the marana's avatar, needed to perform the elaborate sacred Sakura rites and the whole pari debacle.... 🤬🤬🤬
9:34 Now that you mentioned it, the effects is almost the same as someone who lost a vision in Inazuma. I startingto see it connection.
Finally people can stop speculating if the flower feather clan is the pyro tribe or the anemo tribe now that ashikai has come and said that it's meant to be the anemo tribe, it makes no sense to have a dedicated pyro tribe when all of the tribes are using the power of pyro through the archon and the sacred flame
kinda obvious from the get go but then again this community of ours is quite special in many ways
Yeah but why are they colored Red? Because it would be weird seeing red tribal warriors throwing green colored attacks.
@@bisayafascist5725 consider that Natlan's main color scheme is red and green, with anything scared flame or phlogiston related being red+green, everything from the grainfruit to the long-necked rhinos
I'm just gonna leave Heizou here and let's all think about that sometimes colors are just for aesthetic@@bisayafascist5725
@@bisayafascist5725anemo really dont have a color scheme on them and can be any color it want. all the Anemo characters have different color schemes such as Wanderer is blue and white, Heizou is white and golden brown, Xianyun is mostly Black, Faruzan has like a pastel light blue/teal blue etc. so Flower Feather Clan could be any color coz air can be Hot, Cold, or Warm.
17:14 at this point this is your own Rick roll
It is 😂
"it's all deshret?" "Always has been."
I'm just stoked for what the Traveler gets as an ancient name because that's gonna be so telling for how the story will go. My personal hope is that it involves something like "weaving", "one who lays", "connection", or "founder" because that could indicate that Traveler could help achieve the same event that was attempted with the Loom of Fate, creating new leylines for Natlan. I think the construction of new leylines would be a good way to end the need for the Pyro Archon and use the stored memories of the Night Kingdom to give these unique shapes. Essentially, I'm hoping that the end result of Natlan takes inspiration from the Nazca Lines in the real world
Aether/Lumine itself could be the ancient names of the twins since Aether especially might be based on the ancient greek myths that is a being part of the first pair of Aeons in existence which represents primordial light iirc. The other half of the pair represents chaos/the abyss
10:35 I feel like it might be easier to find them because the ancient names act like an address, you can "search up" the ancient name and find the current bearer.
yeah I was gonna say, the ancient names and their obsidian feathers almost seem like dog tags (which would kinda make sense, seeing as natlan is constantly at war with the abyss and ancient name bearers are the "soldiers" who are chosen to fight)
YEESSS new Ashikai video to listen to while cleaning! Now I can clean AND brainstorm new genshin theories :DDD!
Wayob's are actually referred to as Collective Consciousnesses in book you find as part of Hidden Exploration Objective "Miracles of the Dreamseeker Priest" - you can find it on wiki if you don't want to look around Natlan, although it's interesting one.
Wow Pyro Sovereign and Xbalanque together like Ajaw and Kinich! I haven't thought of that! ;o
The difference is that the pyro sovereign is not an annoying brat like ajaw
"Your immaterial reflection follows you"
why does this wording reminds me of that trailer about the twins walking with reflection
@@iseuls wait you’re right !!!
oh yeah!
been waiting for this. Been a fan since the Wanderer character breakdown you released, even named him Shinji
It's not the autoplay, Ashikai. I am genuinely interested in everything Genshin you cook up.
Oh my god this video is such a life saver. I don't know if it's just me, but I swear it's been harder to piece Natlan's worldbuilding together than it has been with literally anywhere else. I've repeatedly had to go reread things the past few months, but now it's all here nice and easy to put in order
Oh and idk if you noticed this, but you can't name the lil dino "Kapatcir", he will give the same reason as the other Sovereigns. Which should have confirmed that the Thunderbird was the Electro Sovereign, considering her ancient age and connection with Moon Princesses it sounds reasonable
If that so, then Ei has the most control over electro
21:59 The leylines were most likely destroyed by the Pyro Sovereign"The pitch black flames scorched the land, and even the white tree withered, and the final envoy's glow shattered"
White tree is probably referring to irimisal
@@RandomPersonOf2005 Yes, that's what they're saying. The leylines are Irminsul's "roots."
"I may have to fill in the gaps with some...Speculation"
And I am literally jumping for joy at that, please continue
i'm so ready for the ult deshret video you teased in your latest livestream (we moved to natlan but mentally i'm still with deshret's lore)
29:00 OH!!!! The Aranara are also known to convert memories into raw power, too! That's why they forget things after using a lot of energy!
I needed this Ashikai video😅. Natlan's lore is very complex. I had doubts about many things.
Jokes on you Ashikai, I don't have autoplay on, I just enjoy your mad rambling theories
16:38 What if the final hero IS Pyro, and its the traveler (that's how it'll give us access to traveler's pyro element)
She did say she was technically still 3 heroes short, referring to us. Remember that hydro traveller also has an Arkhe alignment, meaning pyro traveller will likely have nightsoul as a mechanic too. I still think that with the ancient name she's gonna give us, we will be allowed to compete in the tournament, and win the title of pyro archon. That's how we get the gnosis and the remainder of her power, and also become the last hero she needs.
Yay I've been waiting for a Natlan video from you!
Excellent video as always! I was surprised it wasn’t an hour long lol! (Not surprised you managed a deshret reference lmao) I’m excited for everything that’s coming!!!
I really really really hope you address the fact that we haven’t seen any normal seelies in natlan but we saw one in the night kingdom! I think that’s really interesting and definitely has lore implications!!! My favorite interpretation was a theory on Reddit that the night kingdom is the real natlan and the natlan we are traveling through is the ley lines/a samsara/etc. this was also helped by the fact that we can see the celestial nail in the night kingdom but no where (not even an impact crater like the chasm) on the “surface”.
Granted this is basically the exact opposite of what you said in this video, but I still think it’s a really interesting idea!
the way I actually paused and said "shut up🤯" out loud when you mentioned the leyline outcrop colors = celestial nails. Never noticed that!! Great video as always
As a mexican, I love hearing names of our ancient deities like Tlaloc in these new theory videos
Your myths are really cool! Mexico was the cradle of a lot of civillisations with their own cultures and stories, you should be very proud to share these traditions^^
@@runaowo8757 se me hace chistoso cómo pronuncian a Chaac e Ixbalanqué
@@sndkst a mi me da risa cómo pronuncian Trinidad en la misión de Kinich🤭
@@Pandabreadie thanks! There are a lot more that it would be amazing if they're added to Genshin, like the legend of Popocatepetl and Iztaccíhuatl. It's so beautiful and I think it would make for a great quest
“ASHIKAI, WE LOVE YOU!” we all cheer in unison
Ashikai video jump scare
I'd kill for a complete teyvat timeline with all the info we know thus far. . . This game has incredible story line-
Great job with this video!
Yo why I never realized that gold is material and blue is memory in genshin kinda mindblown by that
I really feel like the Natlan Archon quests keeps bringing up things that reflect or parallel the overall story of the game. Like what is really up with the Traveler being here. My own thoughts on the Traveler's journey that this video made me think of: Traveler has to gain the connections to Teyvat and it's people/inhabitants inorder to fight ...Celestia maybe? So gaining an Ancient Name, having a connection with Irminsul.
still crazy to me how much your voice perfectly fits yanfei. its so lovely to hear and I adore your voice so so much!
@Ashikai I intentionally seek out and stay to the end of your videos - I wish I had the self discipline to read all the things and do extra research, but I don't. Your insights and theories always make me even more excited and in love with Teyvat. Thank you for your service, and don't worry about how long it takes to put your puzzle pieces together.
Haha no I heard the end because I listened to the whole thing, no autoplay here! Thanks again for pulling all this info together!!
@Ashikai the pyro dragon sovereign destroyed the ley line system 17:39 . Source-between pledge and forgotence quest and xbalanque is the first pyro archon source- kinich story quest. I speculate that the the first pyro archon defeated the dragon sovereign and was recognised by the Celestia and ascended to archonhood and died,then the dragon sovereign was reborn instead of the real xbalanque. I also think that the sacred flame is.Xbalanque trying to repel the abyss and he did that so he could use his power to repel the abyss and his people can become archon by using is power when neuvillete was teased it was written xbalanque - one entombed with the primal fire, so it can be speculated that xbalanque is the primal fire
I also think that the dragon sovereign and xbalanque planned the dragon death as the dragon wanted his authority back, so he asked xbalanque to kill him, and then die himself so that the dragon can trick Celestia into thinking that the dragon sovereign is dead, but when xbalanque reborn, it was the dragon sovereign and the human companion both together reborn and acended to archonhood that is why the people of natlan have dragon companions as xbalanque companion was the sovereign himself
I was WAITING refreshing your channel for a new video. Thank you queen ❤
No autoplay, just a loyal subscriber
The Annihilation reaction makes so much sense after you explain and compared it to the fontaine mechanics that is ousia and pneuma.
So, hear me out. If Natlan isn't connected to the rest of Teyvat's ley lines, does that mean the people here might actually remember certain things like tales of Greater Lord Rukkhadevata? Especially since they border Sumeru.
First thing to do once Mavuika arrives is to check the "About" section regarding other Archons.
Natlan connect with teyvat’s leyline
The connection is just weak
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 sorry may I know the reason why the leyline in natlan become weak?
@@medea5508 the war between the fprimodial one ( phane) and sovereign dragon cause collateral damage to teyvat
Natlan took the most dmg which the result is it’s leyline destroyed
@vietcuongnguyenle8530 ooh thank you!!!
I love your theories, it's crazy how it all always makes sense at the end
I don't think Chasca is the Flower Feather Clan Hero, because if she was then Mavuika wouldn't have told the group about the plan. Mavuika made it very clear that she does know who the heroes are, but she needs them to discover the true meaning of their name and their mission for themselves. If it was Chasca, Mavuika wouldn't have said anything or waited for when she wasn't present.
I think it's going to be Ifa- the Saurian vet who has only been mentioned in NPC dialogue and the Natlan character's voice lines. He's explicitly stated to be from the Flower Feather Clan and at this point we know that a character has to be playable or plot important if multiple characters mention them. Unless they bring up someone else, it's likely going to be him.
There's no certain way for Chasca to conclude that she's one of the heroes, thus I doubt it's an issue for Mavuika to talk about it infront of Chasca. That would only be possible if Chasca were to be the only ancient name bearer in her tribe, but we do know that there can be more than one ancient name bearers in each tribe.
Mavuika doesn't specify that the hero of Flower-feather clan is Chasca, and the ambiguity of it should not harm the opportunity for Chasca to discover the meaning of her ancient name.
that'll be kinda rare considering that Genshin PVs use the characters related to the AQ, but Natlan seems to be the kryptonite for pattern seekers so it may be possible.
She was in the teaser, so far, everyone who catched the ball seems to be the hero
@@turtleismyreligion879 I still think, going by Mavuika's character, that she wouldn't take that risk. Otherwise, why not be just as ambiguous with everyone else to at least have them be aware. It just doesn't seem like a smart move to have Chasca even be aware that the plan exists, given how serious Mavuika takes having her people find their own inner flame.
Of course I am open to being wrong and that Hoyo really is going to play this as straight as possible. I just am open to the possibility that they're going to throw in a few big twists in Natlan.
PS: I was also going to consider the fact that Chasca's original tribe isn't known because she was raised in the wild for a majority of her formative years. But I don't think Natlan's lore would be so strict that blood will determine such a thing (in other words- if the Wayob recognize her as part of the Feather clan, then she is part of the Feather clan.)
@@pinkraven7043 the thing is chasca was raised by the Qucasaurs, and they are the representatives of the flower-feather clan/anemo-using saurians (meaning they use and live off phlogiston in some capacity). No one is really as close to them as she is, to the point where she’s almost one of them in a large capacity (such as the temperment she has being portrayed to us in the quest being similar to that of a territorial or aggressive animal at times) because of that environment.
This reminds me a lot of the "Abyss" in Mage The Awakening, it's a realm of magic that is anti-reality kinda, like a donut hole, the hole of a donut is a empty space, but the concept of donut holes as a product gives a real physical form to something empty and non-existant. Anyway, one of the main concepts of the campaign I was in was, "Only with everything, can you defeat nothing." Feels fitting for Mavuika's plan.
Im once again reminded that Askikai should be a voice actor for anime. Definitely has the right voice.
Also, the lore part is neat, since. You know. Thats why we're here. To add to that, the idea of Phlogiston (the scientific name was also Phlogiston) was actually pulled from an 18th century scientific theory explained as "the principle of fire". Which explains a lot in Natlan.
Her talking about “thoughts can become things (and vice versa)” reminds me of two things: mass and energy being the same thing expressed different ways and Destiny 2’s plotline.
In Destiny, light and dark were seen as two opposites. An objective good and an objective bad (more literally though we've come to find out that the Light has dominion over the physical world and creates things while the Darkness lives in mental space and can utilize memory). A few years ago they were finally recognized as two sides of the same coin. Necessary for balance. Under that context, it slowly stopped being taboo for people to use the powers of the darkness. The Final Shape was actually pretty focused on tearing down ALL barriers between the two. This came in the form of Prismatic. The Guardian can use not only the three elements of the light at the same time, but the current two of the dark as well (rather than being attuned to one of the 5 separately like the Traveler in Genshin is or how the Guardian is the rest of the time). Maybe we’ll see the Traveler using powers from the abyss at some point (maybe after the Cryo Archon shenanigans).
This also raises the idea that there could be an abyss equivalent to the elemental powers. In Destiny the flavors of space magic interact with their own concepts from physics, the light can come in the form of Solar (fire/ energy), Arc (lighting/ electromagnetism), and Void (This is debatable but its usually cited as gravity). In contrast, you have the Darkness with (so far) Stasis (Ice/ a reduction in entropy) which runs opposite to solar in both color and function and Strand (taps into another layer of reality made of the the connections between all living things) which runs similarly to Arc (but opposite in color) as electrons are the fundamental particles of electromagnetism. Electrons are also elementary particles. Elementary particles are (theorized to be) made up of “strings” which is seen as string theory. This is funny given strand is represented by ropes and strings and a lot of verbs around it focus on “weaving” and “severing” things. The layer of reality revealed by it and which interact with to use strand is called the weave and everything.
All of that is to say: Maybe we will see some abyss variants of the elements. The antiparticles to the particles of the physical elements. Every electron needs its positron right?
I do think it could be cool if we got some kind of Abyss-like power. Maybe the Traveler could find that there is some kind of Dark Element within the Abyss that the Traveler could separate and purify allowing others to use this power without risk of corruption.
I'm so scared that they will decide to make Capitano Xbalanque, due to both of them being masked figures with dragon motifs, because that will be a bummer, but hopefully this isn't the case, hopefully 😅
What I do think, is that he's related to the Wayob in some type of way, in his fight with Mavuika he doesn't control ice per sé, he launched and summoned pillars of cold obsidian, the same obsidian that the wayob are made out of, maybe he's an obsidian gollem/wayob with a fragment of previous archons consciousness in him
I'm so happy you touched on the wayob's similarities to the nails. It was my immediate connection when I first saw the Night Kingdom pillar version of them.
Honestly, you're always so good at spotting the patterns in genshin lore and then fleshing them out with such good examples!
Well that hasn't aged well now that a pyro wayob does exist
thank u for this... ive just come back to genshin after a long break and this vid saveddd me. my goat since the beginning
So, if these songs exist and Venti knows all songs-past, present, and future-does that mean he could also resurrect or create life, like Rukkhadevata did with the Aranaras? (copium) I just need a theory connecting Venti to the importance of songs in the lore and how everything ties back to him 😭😭
Barbatos SQ2 please hoyo!
I'll assume that the 0:24 clip was an ad 🤣
Tsurumi Island also has some VERY Night Kingdom vibes and with the Thunderbird. There's also the "Mistress" The spirit Boatmen mentions might have ties to Ronova as well.
Oh yes, I was looking for Natlan explanation Videos yesterday and was sad to see that you haven't made one yet and now today I see this and now my life is complete🎉 Thank you!
Natlan is so different in just how it FUNCTIONS that combined with the complete lack of travellors or even really mention of it anywhere else in the world, this nation feels like its not in Teyvat at all in a way?
Like, its not a secret that the Archon is a lineage of humans inheriting the legacy, so why did NOBODY bring it up when everything with Furina came out? It should be common knowledge everywhere in Teyvat bc plenty of tourists travel TO Natlan and that seems like a helluva thing to be able to tell everyone when you get home! Same with "most of their warriors know what death is like and are totally casual about it bc they just come back" and "it turns out there used to be dragons ruling the world and human civilisations functioned around them but theres no sign left anywhere but Natlan" and so on, its made this nation feel like its in some sort of pocket dimension where only people like Neuvilette and Furina can actually remember anything about Natlan bc of gnosis privilege or something, and to the rest of Teyvat Natlan...exists, and something stops them thinking any further than that
I hope its intentional, like, there IS a consequence for them apparently not being properly connected to Irminsul (since they dont have proper Leylines aka Irminsul's roots, could that mean that the world's memory doesnt have a proper grasp of this nation and everyone in it, like a faulty version of Wanderer's situation?) and Hoyo is playing the long game, but even if it is it doesnt change the fact that the actual experience of playing the game leaves you weirdly jarred when you step out of Natlan and remember all the interconnected storytelling of Teyvat functioning as a whole instead of just isolated areas that makes it feel alive as a world. Its like Natlan is missing out on something crucial to the Genshin experience
Am i making any sense 😅
I think you perfectly summed up the natlan experience so far. Its just so different, extremely disconnected. Still love the nation though
I completely agree. It's making it hard for me to enjoy Natlan tbh. It feels like we travelled to a different planet just for this nation.
I hope Snezhnaya doesn't feel like this.
@slaybutton1692 it already can't be like Natkan again, not when we've been learning about the Fatui since the very first patch of the game and have a bunch of little details about non-fatui life and a playable character from there that we will undoubtedly interact with again when we go. Even if there's probably also going to be system of gameplay unique to the area like the Fontaine pneuma-ousia, thing or the nightsoul mechanics of Natlan, Shneznaya is narratively integrated into the story more than any other nation
@@pipedream2556 for me i think it all boils down to how they represent the nation's relationship with the divine, like each nation so far has been slightly less and less intertwined with gods, its a present theme with the first 4 nations but comes stage center with fontaine and the abolishment of the hydro archon, and the revelation that furina was acting as a stand in for the aforementioned god. i wasnt sure how i expected natlan to carry this theme forward but its still jarring that, like you mentioned earlier, the pyro archon is not only human but its common knowledge. this created one of the biggest disconnects for me and the main story. so far world exploration and quests have been keeping me enamored with natlan. i dont think hoyo will do the same thing with the cryo archon but it worries me that its still a possibility, that somehow shneznaya's god is gonna be some human woman and that this is also indeed common knowledge. on an unrelated note, the idea of gods being shelved for the wayobs kinda makes sense to me, some of the cultures hoyo pulled from have a history of ancestral worship which seems to be what the wayobs are, but the other cultures present have gods, i generally like the idea of the sacred flame and the archons throwing themselves into them, its very mesoamerican, so why the flame the flame doesnt make the archon a literal god is beyond me, i get in universe its because Xblanque didnt want that but this felt like a missed opprotunity
@@slaybutton1692no reason for it to feel like natlan when we have a legitimate reason for it feeling the way it does. also this is literally just the first part of the story.
You absolutely have to revisit your world structure theory now. I've been doing some theorizing too using the information and ideas you've presented and I'm super excited to see what you come up with lol
The Pyro hero is gonna be us, the traveler
Ashikai try not to relate everything to King Deshret challenge: level, impossible.
Good to see that we still have an obligatory Desheret mention 😂
I think you're (big) bang on with this one!
One thought I had while you were explaining how the Pyro Archon will gather the 6 ancient name-bearers is the parallel with the Fatui. Genshin seems to love analogous storytelling, so by collecting the gnosis'...
ok basically night kingdom is literally Plato's Hyperuranium (Place where ideas are)
the way i checked for any new ashikai vids yesterday night and a few hours later (while i was asleep) there it is. new video. can't wait for the deshret mention.
I feel like even though natlan is supposed to be inspired by civilizations around the ring of fire it is also somewhat inspired dy ancient Greece mualani going into the kingdom of the dead to rescue someone dear to her, kinda like Orpheus. That dragon with the name I won't bother with stealing the phlogiston and giving it to the humans is kinda like what prometheus. In general the focus on human heros and their exploits and how people in natlan prove their valor in the stadium which is designed kinda like an amphitheater
Surprised I made to the end? Of course I’ll watch it all. You favorite GenshinTuber
Perhaps Bennett is an example of the consequences Natlandians face when leaving Natlan without help from the Wayob. He’s presumably from Natlan, he left Natlan with an outlander (who most likely didn’t consult the Wayob on his way out because he was literally dying), and Bennett has stated that he doesn’t really leave Mondstadt, so there is a chance that this bad luck is a result of Bennett’s “mirror self” still being in Natlan’s ley lines or the night kingdom.
Thanks for this kind of content. I've finally madr sense of it now..understanding the sacred flame a little more.
Kinich's story quest supports ehat you said because in the ritual part, we use the sacred flame to erase those abyssal blob things or whatever they are properly called. I juat did that story yesterday.
the night kingdom is a mix between Xibalba, the Kong cosmogram and Patakatifu. Patakatifu can be linked to the stadium which is also a temple wonder if she'll she this 🤔
the Kong cosmogram also explains how mavuika is able to retrieve souls and how she is the sun that never set's the little hint the dev's left in the live stream
Love the thumbnail LMAO. Perfectly captures most of us trying to understand the lore 😭
22:05
Bad news, he have a companion who is a relic of an ancient time that caught Enjou's attention, and he want Kinich dead so he can take him over
In story telling wise, it make Kinich goes to the "this is bad" character red flag tier, below the big 3: Albedo, Lisa and Childe
I was watching your simulanka video as I started the archon quest and hearing you talk about how the traveler might be more of a ‘witness’ to the world’s events rather than the true hero while not getting to participate in the tournament was a really interesting overlap. I thought they were going to pull some black magic “able to control the phlogiston” or something to make them eligible so it was really satisfying to see that pan out.
7:09 Immaterial world ...immaterial girl???
Sophie references
20:31 it depends if he was already dying it would be unlikely else he would only remain alive for a very short time. It worked for the current pyro archon because she was still young and had more life to live.
BAD NEWS, THE ONE HERO IS ANOTHER ELECTRO.
That was such a great video, you always make it easier to understand such complex concepts in genshin❤️❤️
Great video as usual! But seriously, what are the chances that Xbalanque would actually be a playable character? I'm so desperate to know at this point help-
We might only speculate as in maybe he will be brought back by Mavuika by the Ode of Resurrection. You can also go and "dig" some more on your own on other sites, but until we get a confirmation, nothing is clear.
Some leakers said his model in 5.1 is very NPC-ish, and the possibility of him being playable is extremely low
between king deshret tier and ei dead friends tier of chances
just from a marketing standpoint probably zero considering mavuika is showcased as the 'archon' for natlan just like furina was for fontaine and nahida is for sumeru. Bringing back another pyro archon would be pointless and just downplay the current one. The pyro sovereign is more likely
He won’t be. All the leaks were false
Can’t wait for her to talk about 5.1 archon quest and she livestreams I have so much to ask her.
I don’t know how relevant this is for what Phlogiston is in the lore of Genshin, but a TH-cam channel called Chemistorian made a recent video about the history of the theory of Phlogiston and how it lead to the discovery of oxygen.
So wind and fire 🤔
Hmm very suspicious
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and explanations. This helped open my eyes to some pretty cool stuff 😃
lol i came here 9 seconds after it got posted.
watching this after 5.1 archon quest. my mind is mindblowing rn
YUS I was so needing this video!! I was so lost about how Natlan's "stuff" related to the Teyvat systems we were familiar with from other regions
5 minutes in and I have to stop because you really swung and missed. People of the Springs is a retelling of the hawaiian monarchy story. King Kamehameha united the many different hawaiian tribes into a sovereign kingdom. Also, all the names are hawaiian, although apparently the pronunciation key was not understood, so it's all severely mispronounced.
32:16 (and the obligatory deshret mention at 18:24) was freaking hilarious
great stuff as always ashikai!!
half an hour ashikai video!! this is certainly the birthday present ever
Oh it's your birthday, me too, happy birthday 🎉😊
thank you!! happy birthday to you too!! 💓
Can't wait for the new patch and your explanation to it. Ashikai you are the best