[4.7] Of Sinners and Kings - Genshin Impact Lore & Theory
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2024
- Did you know in some Gnostic sects there aren't just seven archons, but twelve? Seven of them rule the heavens, and five rule the abyss.
Soooo... seven archons and five sinners in Teyvat? How apropos.
*TIMESTAMPS*
00:00 Introduction
00:45 Sinners and Kings
07:58 Rhinedottir
09:19 Surtalogi
10:17 Rerir
13:23 Vedrfolnir
18:24 Hroptatyr
24:01 Alberich
*SPOILER WARNINGS*
(There's footage used from quests up through 4.6, the events of which are not directly referenced through text or audio. Below are the (non-limited) quests that are specifically mentioned.)
- Zhongli Story Quest 2
- Bedtime Story
- Arlecchino Story Quest
*RELATED CONTENT*
Spirit Veins, AKA How Celestia Stole Teyvat (Ashikai): • [4.6] How Celestia Sto...
King Irmin is Still Alive (The Laughing Man): • King Irmin Is Still Al...
Who is the Vinster King (Roozevelt): • Who is the VINSTER KIN...
What Are Domains? (Ashikai): • [1.5] What are Domains...
Rhinestone Alchemist (Ashikai): • [v2.3] The Rhinestone ...
*CITATIONS & ATTRIBUTIONS*
Video editing by QueerBunny Productions: queerbunnyedits.com/
pastebin.com/Cfz3jiZh - เกม
![[4.7] There's more than one Loom of Fate - Genshin Impact Theory](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ePjY4c0Rj0k/mqdefault.jpg)
![[4.7] There's more than one Loom of Fate - Genshin Impact Theory](/img/tr.png)
![[4.5] Eat Gods, Get Good - A Genshin Impact Theory](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YHCv8KFdL6M/mqdefault.jpg)
**NOTES & CORRECTIONS**
- Re: Fisher King name origin - this seems to be pretty contested and I didn't go into much detail (since this video isn't really about him or Fischl), but he gets his name from Le Morte d'Arthur where he's called Peschor, Petchere, or Peschour which literally means "fisherman". This is a homynym with the word Pécheur which means "sinner". It's kind of a weird pun-situation, kinda like how the Holy Grail gets called "sangrael" which then gets conflated with sang roial which means royal blood. REGARDLESS of IRL veracity, Hoyo LOVES their wordplay/puns which is why I brought this one up with regards to Fischl.
Just wanted to clear that up!
- I keep calling "The Ring Cycle" Nibelungenlied which is not it's name, but the name of the original epic it's based on. The fact that Wagner made an opera out of this legend IS relevant, but the source material is close enough for our lore-purposes that I hope you can overlook my unintentional overlap.
Do you think there is possibility of Pierro being Hroptatyr himself?
Not only is it possible if you consider that he is possibly talking about himself in third person when he is mentioning the Sage, but also because Royal Mage usually serves as sole advisors to the king, like in Legend of King Arthur, and we know that Pierro is the Royal Mage of Khaneriah.
5:16 I would like to add that while "Nibelung" or "Niflungr" actually stems from "nibel", meaning "fog", the "-ung" ending and its variations, common in germanic languages, do not hold some sort of additional meaning like "light". Nibelung basically means "of fog"
Hey @Ashikai you said there would be link in the description to the fischl theory but its not there
1:35 the "V" in Vinster is pronounced as when you say the "f" in "life". Which is how you pronounce the German word "finster", which means "gloomy, dark". "Vinster" is the old German word the word "finster" is derived of :)
Its highly unlikely as in his artifact sets its stated that he wasn't as talented as the other royal mages. In chinese though its one mage so people are thinking he in fact has beef with "The Wise" @vukkicos5688
"War is coming. Natlan is soon." what a cool line
Umm Ackshually it's "War is coming*🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
Get ready for the greatest Pokemon battle Teyvat has ever seen.
You mean hunting Pokémon?
@@JoyAbrahamm thanks 👍
2:55 was deshretbaited oh no
same
SAME
Me too, me too
Fischl is also Odin coded. One eye, raven companion that gathers info for her.
Give Fischl a wide hatttt
Actually the raven would probably be doing the translating for others since Oz is always translating whatever Amy Fischl is saying
@@VeronaRoma7546 Like how Paimon translates and talks for the traveler!
Book fischl is irmin's daughter, and is also a sword, so that tracks.
@@abikocheesePaimon talks yes, but she doesn't translate what the Traveler's saying since they're just silent haha
However, she did teach them the language of Teyvat. Though she says they had a very good grip already on it in Mondstadt, so they're basically fluent now.
One thing I wanna say about the "7 archons, 5 sinners, 12 in total" is that the elemental reaction namecard which is hinting at there being more elements has space for 12 icons and is missing 5 currently, which would suggest they've been planning this all along.
wasnt it also said that there are more than seven elements, but people are "too lazy to count the rest"
I can’t remember where but when I first started playing genshin back in 2022 I read that they’ve had the story planned out since the very beginning
Now I'm just imagining that as soon as we get to the last region, they drop 5 new elements on us at once.
@@bisexualchibi2863 you are correct. Hoyo tends to do this in all their games. There are almost (very few) no coincidences, which is great if you're in lore at all. Everything is laid out in the beginning if the detectives among us look deep enough. I'm happy to just watch videos and let the real lorehounds (ashikai etc) do all the homework.
looking at the 12 elements of nature, it makes sense. Earth = Geo, Water = Hydro, Wind = Anemo, Fire = Pyro, Thunder = Electro, Ice = Cryo, Flower = Dendro. the 5 remaining elements are Force, Time, Shadow, Light and Moon. how exciting!
Kaeya’s father being one of the sinners would be so god damn cool
At the same time im more convinced that he is just another family branch that separated from that of chlothar and its trying other methods of restoring khaenri'ah completely ignoring the abyss twin actions
@@kostakonomi
Agreed he more likely would be working with the fatui or the witches or another khaenri'ah faction not yet introduced
im fully convinced that kaeyas father is pierro
Fun Fact: In the Brazilian Portuguese localization the Vinster King is translated as "King of the Eclipse" ("Rei do Eclipse") which puts more weight on the idea that he was the ruler of Khaenri'ah at the time of the Cataclysm.
I thought that was King Irmin?
@@pinkluverX0X0Yeh it was
2:51 At first thought "It must be Nibelung, he has ties with the abyss", then after Deshret's image: "Oh right, of course it is Deshret, stupid me", and came all the cycle back. What an emotional rollercoaster
“You thought it would be deshret didnt you”
She’s such a troll 💀😭
2:42
Im convinced when you start editing a video you start with this clip no matter the context of the theory
7:16 gave me flashbacks to that theory that Paimon is a messaging system. Can't remember who proposed it but might even be an Ashikai theory.
One of her videos tried to connect A.S.I.M.O.N. with P.A.I.M.O.N.
I don’t remember too much beyond that and P.A.I.M.O.N being different from Paimon, but it was really interesting.
Pretty sure it was Wei? He compared Paimon to the mechanical constructs in Sumeru Desert.
@@lathamtk Yes, you are right
Wasn't she the one who said something like "Paimon can also be interpreted as short for Primordial Algorithm of Imtransient Matrix of Overseer Network" 🤔?
@@lathamtk probably him then
Man this game loves cubes
Aria math starts playing (minecraft ost)
*Void archive noises*
@@meh4294 NO AYATO!!! NO KOKUOU BANSHOU!!!
The hoyoverse brain rot has me in its clutches because I’m 1000 percent convinced the power the sinners split was a stellaron and thats why teyvat is stuck in a samsara because the memoria has started to leak out and create the upside down world (do not take this seriously this is strictly crack theory hours over here 😂)
There is no evidence against this theory
How does one split a stellaron without destroying the world
I have no idea what you are talking about (I only play Genshin)
But why does this make the most sense to meeeee omg you might be on to something lol
Ever since I heard Stellerons get called "Seeds of Disaster" I thought a Stelleron could be the seed of The Irminsul, and that the Abyss could be corrupted Quantum phenomena.
maybe the fact that Kaeya's vision is different from regular Mondstadt one (visually) is some kind of sign it could be a fake one? and that way he could still be a backup plan all things considered? Abysslings have elemental powers so Kaeya's ability to manipulate cryo (which now reminds me it was cryo Abyssling we met in Sinner domain) as an Abyss ability could not be a stretch at all...
If it was fake, people would have realized because there was a mission where we had to use Vision's glow as a detector and fake Visions didn't glow. I don't remember which quest or event it was.
@@Gnidel Oh it's from unreconciled stars event from 1.1 the vision is glowing if it's near Leonard's constellation fragments
@Gnidel It might be fake, but not in the same way that Zhongli's and Venti's are fake.
In the french translation visions are called "divine eye" and if a vision is a watered down version of a gnosis and assuming the 5 abyssal archons also have gnosis- then perhaps they can also grant elemental power.
Kaeya's vision is real, but it is a fake Celestial vision, rather it is an abyssal vision.
@andizulfan84 i believe its actually from the lantern rite/shenhe introduction where you go looking for ores in liyue
@@ambisunnyambi You're both right.
@MyNameForNow had a theory that the Book about the 6 Pygmies is an allegory for Dainslief and the 5 other Sinners. It made a lot of sense.
Ashikai doesn't discuss datamined content.
@@effortlessfury
What is datamined?
@@kctoygacha5069 only the first volume of Pale Princess is available in game. The rest of the volumes were accidentally included in the game files.
@@effortlessfurydid the video include the other volumes in detail or did it only mention the description for each volume (which is in the game)? Dont wanna spoiled so im asking
@@storm_1784 I only know a friend of mine had to stop watching a video of theirs when they started discussing those volumes. Honestly, discussion of that story is poisoned until more volumes release.
2:50 I did actually thought it was gonna be Deshret. That was a good one
SAME
As I was listening to this great lore a thought came to me that I wanted to sharw: "what if instead of a dark sun it's a black hole? The recent photo of the one in our galaxy + quantum symbol looks kinda like an eclipse..."
A joy to watch as always!
A good number of people (including ashikai) have proposed the idea that there is a black hole right next to teyvat, add this to the fact that khaenri'ah is closest to the borders separating teyvat from outer space and your connection starts making a lot of sense
and what if that "black hole" is actually a Zenless Zone (zero) 😼😼
@@Rokaria it's IX of HSR! XD
i really thought back in 2.8 that fischl's domain is inspired by khanriah and the ravens are the greater sinners.
i really read the thumbnail as "Khaennri'ah's Stinkers"
I love how no MATTER how long it's been since she's come up, no matter HOW FAR we go from the start of the game...
EVERYTHING has a connection to Fichl...
They probably wrote her this way from the start, therefore the complete outline of the story from start to finish could lie somewhere in Mihoyo's posession and they just go along.
Something I believe is another clue to the identity of Kaeya’s dad- in the play during his hangout there’s Big emphasis on conflict between father and son, the former wanting war and the latter wanting to make peace. And Kaeya waxes lyrical for quite a while about this father wanting to see the world burn and oh woe is me, does it need to be so etc. So I’m betting that whoever the driving force behind this upcoming war that other characters are alluding to, is Kaeya’s father.
Whether Hroptatyr is that driving force, I guess we’ll find out but personally I’m eyeballing Rerir. The original Rerir in Völsunga saga is one of Odin’s grandsons, and becomes a powerful ruler after avenging his father Sigi. He and his wife then really struggled to have a child until they were sent an apple of fertility by Frigg (Odin’s wife), delivered to them by a giantess that had taken the form of a crow.
So the two big themes attached to the name Rerir is a)vengeance and b)a hard-won son conceived with magical help (also some weird time stuff, as his mother was pregnant for six years???)
Five Heroes embarked on a journey to slay the evil dragon.
For honor, the master swordsman.(surtalogi)
For research, the knowledgeable sorceress.(Rhinedottir)
For bounty, the swashbuckling mercenary.(vedrfolnir?)
For vengeance, the deadeye marksman.(rerir)
For stories, the grand novelist.(hroptatyr)
A lotus proceeds from my mouth and flowers bloom on the page. My words are wise and clear and my thoughts are sharp like lightning.
I joined this party because I couldn't find a job, and anybody can be a copywriter.
But I'm no writer, just a regular fellow in his mid twenties without an honest job.
-the tale of dragon slayers
Oh
the parallels between kaeya and caribert are so much, also, it could be an incredible reach, but when u unlock his shield (c4) it activates when he is close to die and the fx animation before it generates is pretty interesting, it looks like threads
While Hrptatyr being Kaeya‘s father would certainly be interesting, I don’t think he is his father. It’s true that the lines in the hidden strife event sound a bit like the lines for the statues but we actually got a spoken line from his father. There he sounds far more regretful and even sad to have to leave his son, he even apologizes for it. That doesn’t quite fit with Hrptatyr, who seems a bit more crazy and unhinged and not like a regretful father. And if he was Hrptatyr, why would he leave his son in Mondstadt? Where he could be influenced by the gods. Now you could say because of the supposed mission, but we don’t even know if there was a mission for Kaeya in Mondstadt, not even he knows. Which he also says during the Sumeru event.
Leaving Kaeya in Mondstadt feels for more like he were to be kept save from the sinners, from being used by them ( it also aligns with the line Kaeya says during the Sumeru event: that his father perhaps left him there to live a better life).
Considering this it feels far more likely that Anfortas is his father, who defended Kaenri‘ah and it‘s people and has themes of being an honorable character that was on the opposite side of the sinners.
Nevertheless this was still a very interesting theory and a great video as always ❤
funny Theory: We go into the Abyss and Hoyo will release 5 (across 5 years) Abyss nations. More Updates, More needed storage space, etc.
Imagine in the end we fight and fuse with our sibling becoming one entity
XD (I'm just Brainstorming thoughts)
4:35 the fading image got me LMAO
I got like less than 50% of this, but thank you so much for these videos, your work is extremely entertaining and I really appreciate it!!! ♥️
That Rerir part made me let out a very cool "hmph" sound
Thank god im not the only crazy one thinking that one small event about stimulating war and and inviting all the current available nations army to participate on like a military exercise to preparation to upcoming war.
AGREED, the event feels so innocent and insigificant, but when you put it into context with everything else that has been happening, suddenly the event feels foreboding af💀💀💀
Very insightful and well-researched video as usual. I'd suggest however not in general calling the mythological references in Khaenri'ah "Norse", but rather Germanic, because Germanic includes Norse, whereas calling it just Norse excludes Western and Central European Germanic mythology, and many references are actually to Western and Central European Germanic mythology.
One example is for example Irminsul. The tree Irminsul is from Saxon Germanic mythology, not from Norse mythology. Also, the Nibelungenlied, which is one of Khaenri'ah's biggest inspirations, is not Norse but from around 1200AD Germany, set in Germany along the Rhine.
I'd like to try a cracked theory of my own:
What if Dainsleif is the Traveler's lost sword? He's literally called The Twilight Sword, and Twilight is when the Sun overlaps with the Moon.
Aether and Lumine represented the sun and moon, as seen with their weapons. Our twin got to keep their weapon yet for some reason we didn't.
Also, wouldn't it be kinda "wholesome" to think that our twin traveled Teyvat with our sword?
It probably doesn't make much sense, but Teyvat's time is whacky as is and messes with memories quite often.
That does seem to be what happened, in that each of the travelers constellation (viator/viatrix) depicts them with the sword of the other twin.
I have a theory that each of the human shape cons is depicted with a singular important weapon to them that represents someobe important to them. Ei with Makoto's sword, Venti with Nameless bards lyre, Nahida with Rukkhadevata's sanctum, etc etc.
it would’ve been cool if the five sinners were actually the 5 fallen archons.
But I don't wanna hate on Rukhadevata 😢
@@JoyAbrahamm yeah if baizhu was the former archon like every on believed at the time it would be cool
or even if deshret was the former archon and nahida and rukhadevata were the same person not an reincarnation.
but maybe the idea of fallen rulers joining forces is maybe not so original.
14:26 I wanna mention that the twins seem to have symbolism to the sun and moon. One of the biggest pieces of evidence is the swords (more specifically, the sword hilts). Lumine’s is literally shaped as a moon crescent. However, Aether’s is a bit more difficult. I noticed that is straight like a star, or sun rays. There are also details in their designs. Lumine’s hair is more pale and prone to curving in as well as her outfit is mainly white with blue accents, colors associated with the moon. Aether’s hair is more golden and is more prone to pointing straight out. His color palette is dark brown with golden accents, more associated with the sun.
It’s also worth pointing out that the moon is often associated with being female and the sun is more associated with being male. Take Greek mythology as an example.
I don’t know why they seem to have sun/moon symbolism, but one theory I have is the Eclipse dynasty since a sun and moon make an eclipse. If anyone has anything to add to this, please do.
Dainsleif mentioned that the Sinners and him were the best in their respective fields, but what exactly are their fields?
Rhinedottir - Alchemist
Vedrfolnir - Priest
Rerir - Mechanic
Surtalogi - Divine Historian
Hroptatyr - Sage/Scholar/Teacher
Dainsleif - Soldier
So, Dainsleif, Rhinedottir, and Hroptatyr are rather self-explanatory assumptions of mine. In fact, they are so self-explanatory that they shouldn’t even be considered assumptions at this point.
Now, as for the Priest, Divine Historian, and Mechanic fields I’ve assumed, I’ll explain a bit more.
Surtalogi is potentially in the field of Investigation, more specifically investigating the gods. Under Watatsumi Island, in the sunken nation of Byakakyu, envoys of Khaenri’ah came to pursuit the book, “Before Sun and Moon” with intent on finding out about the origins of Celestia. It’s possible that even after all of these years, their intent on investigating the gods never went away, and Surtalogi simply became an expert in this field of Learning about the Gods. Finally, the most vital reason why I think this, is because of Skirk, when she appeared, she opened up a portal, and compressed the Whale into a ball, this reminds me very much of the Sustainer appearing before the twins from a portal, and then compressing our sibling into a cube. It’s almost as if Surtalogi stole the Sustainers method of using her power, and gave it to Skirk, plus … Skirk was surprised to find that her Master wasn’t that well known, as if Surtalogi is someone she considered to be rather important. Whether this is her bias, or because Surtalogi told her everything about the Gods that she found incredibly important, who knows? This would also explain why she knew about the Gnoses as well as the terminology of Descenders, and their connection with each other.
Vedrfolnir is likely in the field of spreading faith, a priest. In Khaenri’ah, with no god to worship, there was worship to their King Irmin, those statuettes are a clear sign of this. A Priest of Royalty (idk if there is another word for this position or field.) Vedrfolnir literally convinced a guy to start a cult with his presence alone. Vedrfolnir was even converting humans into Abyssal Lectors before the Abyss Order was a thing. Vedrfolnir’s prophetic powers probably came into being after Khaenri’ah fell, otherwise he’d inform the people to some degree of what is to come … right? Idk, maybe, maybe not.
Rerir is maaayyybbeee a Mechanic? Don’t have too much info on this person, all I know is that Khaenri’ah went through a Dynasty of Alchemy and a Dynasty of Machinery, and they made ALOT of machines, so the field of Mechanisms was definitely vital to this kingdom, and process of elimination suggests Rerir is a Mechanic.
Ashikai trying not to drag deshret each 3min challange failed😂
There are still speculations that Kaeya's vision might be a mere copy, or a Delusion due to the difference from other Mondstadt characters who possesses a vision.
This patch has honestly been absolutely insane, can't wait to see what you've cooked up
Crack Deshret = Vedrfolnir theory - Dain's hair almost looks exactly like Otto's hair in HI3rd. If Vedrfolnir is Dain's older brother, and Deshret is often theorized to be a Otto expy...
Can't wait for the theory video on capitano when we finally get to meet him in natlan
Thanks for another wonderful video!
i love your work ashikai!!
What the heck, ashikai posting new video in less than a month 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Thank you 😭😭😭😭 🙏🙏🙏🙏
So hypothetically, Kaeya having a vision would tie him to the fate if the world, but if you look at his actual vision it's actually a little weird! Most Mondstat visions have 3 wings on each side, but Kaeya's (and _only_ Kaeya's) has 2! I don’t think his vision is outright fake (it glows, unlike Venti's or Zhongli's), but I do think there may be odd circumstances surrounding it. Maybe there's something to that?
It's also worth noting that Kaeya uses his vision to more or less fight like an abyss mage, including getting a shield at higher constellations. Who taught him to fight like that? I think it's possible that there could be something up with his vision.
(I wonder if he's going to go full Imbibitor Lunae and have a separate form that becomes a separate five-star character.)
Another day, another time spent listening to Ashikai explain and theorise on complicated lore I don’t understand. Love these vids
Vinster king lore hidden with azhdaha yay
One other really interesting thing is that one of the five sinner’s is Dainslief’s older brother! do you suppose that is part of the reason Dain didn’t follow through? Family can make you do all sorts of things. Of course right nowthe twins are on different sides of the coming war.
random thing that spiraled in my mind: the world tree doesn't hold one world together but nine realms. interestingly my brain did a thing where it registered that each nation could be equated to a realm, and if you add celestia and khaenri'ah to that you get nine realms stitched together by the world tree. do with this as you wish
I had a theory a while ago that the dragon kings heart (Pearl/Genesis pearl) was stolen before he fled teyvat and used as the core of Irminusul, with his war of vengance being to try and get his heart back ultimately being burried(Stopped) right next to his heart (Dragon Clutching his pearl(aka Heart) Symbology) so whilst trapped in irminsul his knowledge isnt flowing through the laylines just grasping onto the core of Irminsul.
This whole Khaenri'ahn family stuff is really interesting to me. I'm not exactly sure with Norse mythology bur from quick wiki look, Mimir seems to be actually recognized as Odin's advisor and, interestingly, there's a theory that Mimir's wife might have been Sinmara. So wonder if Pierro's or Hroptatyr's real name might be Mimir (more likely Pierro, since Hroptatyr most likely real name, similar to Rhinedottir) and what that might mean for Dain too. Who knows, maybe even those crazy theories that Dain is the 10th Harbinger are real?
Now that i think about it, they are kinda similar. They're seemingly the only (important) Khaenri'ahns that 100% in opposition of Abyssal Power, both were kinda high ranking in Khaenri'ah, both have kinda similar masks. I think they also have the same shade of blue in their eyes
Maybe, Kaeya was a candidate for the loom of fate. but ever since he lived with Diluc and Crepus, he began to think of them as his family rather than his original family who abandoned him. After all, kaeya got his vision on the night of his father's death when he was fighting Diluc, after he confessed that he was from Khaenriah.
maybe the fact that Kaeya's vision is different from regular Mondstadt one (visually) is some kind of sign it could be a fake one? and that way he could still be a backup plan all things considered? Abysslings have elemental powers so Kaeya's ability to manipulate cryo (which now reminds me it was cryo Abyssling we met in Sinner domain) as an Abyss ability could not be a stretch at all...?
Kaeya's vision isn't fake, we have his vision story.
Stars reconciled event: all visions besides venti's and zhongli's were glowing, his vision isn't fake
I HAD BUG BRAIN IDEA when
Day 1 of asking Ashikai to make a spotify podcast of these videos cuz i love them so very much!!! (weirdly you talking about the looms of fate woke up me up to the dynamic of my soul and its creator, like am i pissed that i’m in a mortal body?, or does it make it more interesting?? like i can’t wait to die (of old age) so that i can ask these questions!!!) ANYWAY i love you ashikai because you’ve reminded me to STAY CURIOUS. i fr don’t know if that was your intent but you goated either way!!! pure existential bliss when you realize how crazy the world is and it’s an honour and privilege to breath air! (k last side not mmao: our bodies are machines that run off water and oxygen and shi, like that’s crazy!!! made me think that God has like divine adhd or something cuz who thinks of that??? like crazy!! anyway i’m rambling) KEEP BEING AWESOM!!!
Holy moly so much lore to digest!
hey ashikai im not expecting anyone, least of all you, to see this comment, but i want to say it anyway. thank you so much for making these videos. from background noise, to almost actual study sessions, your videos always bring so much joy to my life. im having a rough day today, and your channel has brought so much comfort whilst im crying on the couch. im sorry i dont have the means to become a channel member, but i sincerely hope that you may continue to make these videos :)
17:07 Holy FNAF Golden Freddy soul mumbo jumbo. I love that I understand how this is possible thanks to Scott Cawthon.
what's better than starting my morning and my day with a sinners theory video thank you mrs ashikai 🎉🎉
Ashikai never fails to spread our cheeks and fill us with lore
Honestly I don't think i can fill anymore but damn the new lore videos are so spicy tho 🥵
WHAT DID HE SAYYY!?!?!?!?
New Ashikai video I'm so locked in rn
I love your sophisticated voice, ashikai ❤.
can't wait for more
If Vedrfolnir is a visionary then we can say that there are strong parallelisms between Genshin and Star Rail because Elio, the founder of the Stellaron Hunters is also a prophet.
His description from the wiki: Elio, also known as Destiny's Slave, is the leader of the Stellaron Hunters. Possessing the ability to foresee future possibilities, he uses "scripts" to guide his hunters in their missions.
Contains spoilers!! Fun fact: You can go to the gate to Khaenriah(?). Its named the 'Gate of Everlasting Mourning' in the Viewpoint archive. The quest you need to finish has a lot of cool information on where the abyssal twin's and Dains journey took them.
The description of the viewpoint in the Archive states "A grand and majestic gate leading to a world beneath the soil. It is sealed tight as of the present, and the once prosperous kingdom that lay behind the door has also long since turned to rubble."
Im quite excited to see if we get to see the other side of the gate when/if the game takes us to Khaenriah.
I also find it interesting that the Pari refer to the Vourukasha Oasis as "the sea of flowers", aince the abyssal twin says that our journey will end when we arrive in a sea of flowers. I originally thought of the stretch of inteyvats in the official art (yk the one) but idk. its cool. do what you want with this useless rambling lmao 😭
Also the quest is Khvarena of Good and Evil quest
this has hardly anything to do with the video but i needed somewhere to spew my nonsense
Nice!
I had a thought while playing the Petrichor quests. Many famous or godlike entities from before the cataclysm (Deshret, Remus, etc.) all seem to have been focused on something. Deshret was forbidden knowledge. Remus was fate. Seems like this points to people back then trying their ways to break the samsara cycle (and failing). I used to think that, while interesting, these stories didn't tie into the main story. I've since changed my mind.
This probably was obvious to any serious lore reader.
Have we ever considered that Kaeya's vision is fake and his cryo powers come from somewhere else, similar to abyss mages. This could explain why his vision model is notably different and also changes to a normal monstadt vision on his event skin. The vision model for kaeya's default skin would've been updated and corrected if it was a mistake, it's not like nobody noticed it lol.
It would be really cool if the five sinners each had something like a vision. It would make everything simpler to understand since we are used to this from archons
Now I don't remember your theory about Chenyu vale and spirit veins the best, but something I find interesting is the tree-root connection system, where trees can share and exchange nutrients through fungi aka micellium, usually a big older tree called the hub tree gives it's nutrients to others primarily it's offsprings, so I could see that the loom of fate might actually be able to influence Irminsul, if Hoyo decides to use the biology of the real world!
IM SO DAMN EXCITED
28:04 I can easily imagine, that Kaeya's is actually fake, as it looks a little bit different from the other Monstadt visions... but on the other hand it doesn't explain him having a constellation meaning being bounded to the fate of the world
Can't wait to watch this! Just came back to genshin, i quit after burning out all the way back at 3.1 due to the sumeru desert, can't stand hearing about deshret.
kaeya speculation? we’re so back
Ashikai still finds a way to put Deshret in her video, even if in a form of a joke
one thing no one talks abt is how it now makes a lot of sense that the lector we fight to gain access to verdofnir during caribert is not an Abyss Lector but instead a Fortune Lector.
Verdofnir is a visionary, someone that sees fate, aka Fortuna, and since that was pre-abyss order the it was a lector of fate, following what verdofnir saw in the world's fortuna, hence Fortune Lector.
Another crack tought i just had is how it seems awfully coincidental that we now would have 12 archons (7 for light 5 for abyss) and if pierro trully is no. 0 of the fatui we would have a total of 12 harbingers, maybe, juuuust maybe, that's conected.
If azhdaha is representing Nibelung, and zhongli represent the primordial one, and yet zhongli and azhdaha were friends before erosion made azhdaha lose himself
Could that mean Nibelung and Phanes were... friends?
Also let's take the story of remuria, we got God king remus, who's not native to Fontaine, along with his FOUR harmosts whom he shared his power with, and thin we got the prince of vishaps whom we thought was enemy of remus but turns out they're friends
I'm i tge only on ewho sees the parallels?
Remus (the primordial one)
Came from another nation (another world)
He had four harmosts(four shades)
The prince of vishaps Scylla (dragon king Nibelung)
Could the stories of zhongli and azhdaha, and Remus and Scylla, be all allegorical to the primordial one and Nibelung?
I just watched peoples reaction on bedtime story which was a treat and then bam this drops 👌pure cherry on the top
OH OH LORE VIDEO!
YUM FOOD!
The AQ is very short~
3:56 there is NPC name nidhogg
Ahhhhh new vid at almost 2am. Who need sleep anyway
It could be that irmin IS hroptatyr as in norse myths, odin is said to have many disguises for himself whenever he walks amongst mortals. The hooded one. So it could be that hroptatyr is actually irmin in disguise
MOTHER HAS POSTEDDDDDDD I LOVE YOUUUUUUUUUU
YAY MORE LORE :D can’t wait to see the climax of this game (whenever that happens)
I need more info on Rain.
Anyway great video. I finally find so.eone who don't think that sage and Irmin are the same person!
So im thinking the sinners "gnosis" is likely the dragon king's pearl
Gold found something in the abyss and sent Albedo to mondstat probably to discuss with her peers what to do with it
And they decided to divide it amoung themselves (and yes i think dainslief also has a piece due to his suspicious line about halfdan not having "it" )
I also don't think the "sinners" are all bad or evil
Some may be but most are just chaotic entities as in alot of stuff happens around them but nothing directly from them
Gold makes life
That life interacts with the world and it goes bad because the life perceived the world differently
Surtologi taught skirk who taught childe who became a fatui harbinger who did some bad things
And his pet got loose and tried to eat the primordial sea (bad dog)
Neither of these make the two evil just chaotic and dangerous
WHEN I TELL YOU I CLICKED SO FAST. let's go can't wait for this
There's been so many mentions of war lately which makes me both nervous and excited about Natlan and what's to come.
Ung in Nibelung can also mean "young/child. "Ung" is the norwegian/swedish/danish word for young. " Unger" from the norse word "ungr" means children. So, it can also be translated to "the fog child/children" or "child/children of the fog".
I love “The Sinner Quintet”. It’s my favorite band
We've had almost all the archons now, visited all countries apart from natlan and snezhnaya, and STILL not received even chapter 2 of "The Pale Princess and Six Pygmies"
If you think about it, there could only be two reasons we're still stuck with chapter 1:
1. It's been retconned.
2. It's not yet actual the rest was too early to reveal.
Just arrived from school and I see this video
Oblgatory German side note:
I have never heard of the word "nebelvinster" but I looked it up.
It is Middle High German, so it did exist at some point, and we do have the word "Nebel" (long eh sound, means fog) and the word "finster" (dark) but we do not use nebelvinster anymore. Also, the correct literal translation would be something like "darkened by fog" or "dark because fog"
Today, we use the word "stockdunkel" (means: very dark, devoid of light).
It seems to me that the five Sinners probably experimenting with forbidden knowledge and summon the twins, I have a theory Khaenri ‘ahans Are probably from another colonized planet that came later.
After Celestia and the Archons, terraform the entire planet and Where Usurpers that took over Celestia but eventually were defeated and kicked out and we’re forced underground by the heavenly principal.
It also explain why they don’t worship the Archons, because they Know their artificial life forms/clones that were created by humans, their ancestors 50,000 years ago.
Cause I think the twins are technically from Teyvat and Khaenri’ahan, they both have blonde hair, the abyss order keeps calling the abyss twin Prince or Princess, and it matches the story of the story about the prince and princess, which is based off of the twins.
And the main reason they look different from the rest of them it be because they’re from a different planet , and their bodies changed over.
My theory is that half of other people left Teyvat thousands of years ago, and colonized a different planet. and separated into two groups on another planet and the other on Teyvat, but with the giant barrier around the planet that was no longer possible.
Tinfoil volunteering : I see your Kaeya vision crack in the comments, I raise you a "the missing wings on the vision casing reference him in a role similar to a fallen angel...his comments on the incompetent god are in the same vein...somebody originally celestial who is now abyssal....OR somebody originally of the Alberichs-who-fought-the-abyss (a la Anfortas), and now an Alberich-of-the-abyss (a la Chlothar)"
A little crack-er : The missing wings are parelleled in his one sided wing-like cape. He is a fallen angel. A one-winged angel. With long hair. He is Sephiroth.
I believe remains of Orobashi also started to merge with roots of thunder Sakura, which are connected to the Sacred Sakura. Miyuki, shrine maiden, slipped that there’s something these roots guarding or suppressing. Kannazuka and Yashiori has one common problem and it’s Tatarigami, Orobashi’s “legacy”.
23:08 This also puts into perspective when Kaeya says that he gets his eyepatch from his grandfather :)
i've never been particularly interested in Norse mythology, so as an avid FFXIV enjoyer, realizing (even in part) just how different the mythological figures are from the dragons that got their names in Heavensward was a lovely treat on top of this video
2:50 girl at this point Deshret may as well be Nibelung or his mini clone avatar thing lol.
Anyway, the other thing about Rerir being a name for one of the sinners is that Rerir of Norse mythology is the ancestor of Sigurd, the hero who slays the wyrm Fafnir, and is also the main protagonist of the Ring Cycle opera (sort of: Sigurd is given his German name Siegfried). I don't know if that's what Hoyo had in mind because how would you fit in Sigurd's great grandpa into Khaenriah's lore, but it is there
ok so what I got from this is that fischl is probably the one above all and is orchestrating everything in teyvat
WHAT ANOTHER VIDEO!?
i think the vinster king is the second descender since they were the one who originally brought the abyssal power to teyvat and they can be connected to the snake holding the genesis pearl in the kingdom of darkness in the bp cutscene like the snake/dragon at the roots of the world tree in norse mythology. the vinster king seems to be the leader of the abyss which would be the second descender and not nibelung and even though nibelung would try to gain the power of the abyss, he most likely couldn't handle all of it or completely control the abyss. also the vinster king/the abyss tried to engulf everything in the catacylsm starting with khaenri'ah and that's not nibelungs goal, he wants to overthrow celestia and would possibly work with khaenri'ah since they also are against celestia.
Ratatosk Ratatosk, the squirrel who is very trigger happy. (Tales of Symphonia, Dawn of the New World/Knight of Ratatosk lore)
Venti is a traveling bard who loves to squirrel away wine, apple-secrets, and dreams behind a smokescreen of laughter. Also, the Abyss is nothing, so the holes in Irminsul is kinda a big problem. We might need a Rite of Ascension to fix it. *Mic drop*