Solid State Logic The Bus Plus & Fusion Combination Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2022
- In this video I review how the Solid State Logic The Bus + and Fusion complement each other. Adding The Bus Plus to the Fusion via the insert point allows us to insert the compressor post and pre EQ.
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The fusion is fabulous. Just arrived yesterday. So tempted to get the Bus+ now. Heard great things about it and this vid confirms that sentiment. Thanks!
It's a brilliant compliment to the fusion.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio due to this vid I purchased both! Looking forward to seeing the results. (Dj)
@@infojunkie4989 they are a great combination.
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It’s been a minute since your comment. I wonder how your liking them so far?
I was waiting for this
SSL fusion version. Neve as well!!
Omg! You are def hitting the algorithms
I have the Neve MBP out ready to shoot a review on.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio This needs to happen.
This is exactly the video I was looking for, 'cause I've been meaning to combine both pieces of gear, however, I had second thoughts about it, and I was not sure if it would be redundant. Thanks a lot for your video!
Something magical is happening between the two are doing something really incredible I can’t describe but to say it just enhances the Signal and tighter low end and punch 🥊
Off of this video alone I am following you. Thank you
Hello friend, as always, your videos are excellent, they are appreciated, very good for those of us who enjoy this. Just a suggestion, now that, luckily, you are uploading the files of these comparisons and reviews to your website, I think it would be good for everyone if you did the same with these older videos; What is really valuable is being able to hear your reviews/comparisons in good quality (each in their own system and audio preferences); In fact, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to do a "re-mastering" (recycle this same content, you know what I mean), but with the format of your website; A hug and thank you very much, and let's continue enjoying the sound..... PS. I have never understood, and I am distrustful, that 99% of hardware brands do not allow you to hear what they can really do,... You have a tremendous space to spread that,...
Yes 100% this is something I plan to do. It's just a case of finding time. What I plan to do is updated comparisons on all these old hardware vs software comparisons. I've wondered this myself. The only true way to hear this is for someone who has the gear to compare it. That's one major reason I wanted to start this channel. Give people the ability to hear the difference and make a more informed choice if they should buy the hardware or stick with the plugin.
Excellent, thanks
Combo parfait entre le fusion et ce bus ssl !!! 🔥🔥🔥 j’ai un clone du bus comp ssl , que je vais sûrement revendre pour acheter celui ci 😎👌🏼 ça va bien aller mon mon ssl fusion 😁 super vidéo j aime 👍🏼
Could not afford the bus + after buying the fusion, so I bought a warm audio bus compressor and a aphex dominator ll analog mastering limiter...I love it. sounds better than plugins
Ive got both. Indispensable in my workflow. Great value in terms of bang for the buck. Both live on my mixbus.
You can't argue with price. Great value for money.
I can't wait to get this combo, I will be using it before the the fusion as my insert point is used for my gainlab Empress tube EQ in mid side mode, I love the way that eq allows me to open the mids on the sides and bump my kick on the lows in the middle. Also my fusions drive does make some noise that id rather not raise with the compressor. either way this is an amazing combo and I think there are so many cool ways to use it regardless of your signal flow, there are just so many possibilities, great video and review, thank you
If I didn't have other Mid Side inserts in my mastering chain I would 100% do what you are doing and use that Fusion insert as a mid side insert.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio so many cool options to use these tools , endless possibilities
How do the Gainlab and FUSION fare together for u...? I have just ordered EMpress and Wes AudioNG and am considering the FUSION for the mid/side capabilities... How have you linked Fusion and empress ? Apologies for so many questions....! This is primarily for mixdowns and occasional mastering of dub music
@@kevinmartin963 I have the gainlab empress sitting on the insert point in mid side mode and I love it , you can add punchy mono focused bass boosts, and then spread the mids and highs over the side frequencies
I bought all three. The Bus+, The Fusion, and The Pure Drive Quad. Could you please demonstrate how did you hookup for the best performance workflow with the rear side connection videos. Thanks in Advance
Thank you!!!
Great video and review, thanks! I have the Fusion with an Audioscape Bus Comp on the insert. What would you consider to be a good second/alternative comp? I currently go from the fusion back into the box, and primarily work with pop/r&b/hiphop genre artists. Thanks!
Any compressor that is dual mono. This way you can use the mid side options the Fusion offers on the insert.
great review noob question, how is the routing from my antelope discrete 8 to the ssl fusion first on chain and second the ssl bus +
Thanks for the video, i am looking to pick up this set up. What would be your go to mastering compressor/chain to ad to this?
For me, I use the SPL Iron. That is my personal go to compressor for my chain. It is an exceptionally good compressor.
Greetings,
Yet another amazing video. I watch your videos often; because you make multiple complicated processes seem very simple and clear. That being said on a previous video you suggested getting a Fusion and placing the Maag Eq on it in Mid/Side and allow it to live there. You said you would add a compressor after the Fusion unit. Now with this Bus + in your chain you appear to have removed the Maag Eq completely from your chain. Do you place more value on what the Bus + can do on insert over the (much loved) Fusion Mid/Sid? The Mid/Side had been one of your biggest selling points for purchasing a Fusion. To help those of use that have followed your channel could you please show your mix bus/mastering process with the following units? Maag EQ, SSL Fusion, SSL Bus +... How would you utilize the units and how would you place them to make an amazing mix bus; then how would you use it for mastering in a chain? Thanks in advance :)
The bus plus has mid side built in so the only benefit to adding it to the insert is to move it up and down the Fusion chain. As this is just the two units together they are used in a different way compared to mastering applications. I would still advise adding a dual mono EQ to the Fusion mid side insert. Our maag eq4m lives on the Kush Clariphonic MS insert.
Great review. I really liked the settings you used. Too many YT demos show settings that are way too subtle, almost barely noticeable and you can’t hear the full capability and potential of the features when needed. The biggest features that complement the Bus+ imo are the vintage drive and EQ. Punch and (dare I say it) warmth really sang on that mix from this combo.
Id love to hear how that Dynamic eq sounds used in mid side mode with some light expansion on the kick in the mids at round 70 t 100 hz and then on the sides some light expansion around 3k hitting the mid and lower highs of the claps and percussion
What types of units do you suggest for M/S mode using the Fusion? Right now I have the SSL G Bus Comp, but can’t use in M/S. Wonder if using something different in the insert and placing the Bus comp after the Fusion might work “better” or be more flexible? Thoughts?
Any dual mono EQ is really well suited.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio I am using an Elysia stereo EQ in my chain. Too bad it’s fully linked stereo. I would have liked to use it in M/S there. I appreciate the response. Take care.
please share your mastering chain. also i own neve mbp. how would the 2 units compare to neve mbp
Pro Tools user. Will this work? PT out -> MIx+ in -> Mix+ out -> Fusion Pre EQ in -> Fusion out-> PT in. Trying to wrap my head around how to use both. With this chain I can in theory bypass both modules 100% in and out. These are the only pieces of hardware I own except preamps.
With the fusion? Would you recommend the bus+ over the neve MBP?
And with the two mentioned units, what else would a mastering setup require you reckon?
Yes I would actually. The Portico compressor isn't the best. There are much better compressors out there for that price. The Portico is great as a stereo field editor one of the best. The Bus plus is a brilliant compressor that compliments the fusion.
Great demo question how did you connect the ssl fusion and ssl plus compressor because when I hit the insert button on the ssl fusion my audio goes off can you please help me out? 🙏
You need to use the insert send and return. The audio is sent from the Fusion to the bus plus input. Then out the bus plus into the Fusion return.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Thank you so much I appreciate you 🙏🙏
Great review! How would you campare the Bus+ compressor to the Dangerous Compressor? I own the Fusion going into the Dangerous Compressor as the final step befors the Dangerous AD+. Having the Bus+ in my chain as an insert on the Fusion could be a great complement? Best Leo
I had the dangerous compressor here a couple of months ago and really enjoyed it. Was surprised how affordable it was for how good it sounded and how well it was built. I don't think the bus plus is going to bring you anything extra to the table you don't already have in the dangerous compressor. The Bus plus would be great but I can't see it replacing your dangerous compressor. If I had £2k to spend on that chain I'd add an EQ like the Maag EQ4m.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Thank you for the insight! Will definately check the Maag out. I`m also thinking about the Dangerous BAX, but I guess that`s another thing (?) Had the chance to try that ond out?
@@leojosefsson4654 I was going to say the dangerous bax but then I thought you have the fusion eq and low roll off. It does a bit more than that but it is quite a subtle EQ. I have one in my main mastering studio and it will never leave. It's an essential mastering tool. Quite a luxury item. Doesn't do a great deal and won't bring huge changes to your chain. But the small thing it does do it does exceptionally well.
I have the SSL bus + and now in may i am gonna buy the Fusion ... for $ure !!!! ❤❤
So after processing track by fusion + bus , what plugins you would recommend to finish it! Limiter or something more?
Depends on the audio source and what is required. There is never a definitive answer because that would imply all audio is the same and it isn't.
What are your thoughts on SSL compressor clones out there like from Stam Audio? I know SSL BUS+ has many + features, but still, I think they are good if not better sounding than the original in some cases ...
Some can be good, some can be bad. The additional features added to the clones can be beneficial. I can't say I've ever used one I'd consider a true clone of the G bus comp. I wouldn't even say the newer version of the bus plus is a true g bus comp. But then I done think it really claims it is. I feel these companies making g bus style compressors should brand it as a bus comp and not a clone. I own the Wes Audio bus comp and it doesn't claim to be a clone of a SSL bus comp. It's branded as a bus compressor. Has its own sound and style. It is similar to g bus comp, but a sound of its own. I'm not a huge fan of clones, I personally would always prefer the real thing. Unless it's like the UnFairchild 670m mk2 I have, which is a brilliant clone with lots of added features not found on the original fairchild. That's where I think clones benefit, if they can achieve a similar sound with added features not found on the g bus comp.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Yes, I agree ... It's funny as a few hours ago I stumbled on a page that sells original vintage Fairchild 670; the price is just 300 000 dollars, so yeah, here would make sence to buy a clone, if you're not a millionare of course, than original is better. :)
awesome video. i‘m thinking about getting one piece of hardware for my master bus. i‘m doing a lot of orechestral mockups (williams, michael giacchino, alan silvestri style). but also doing all kind of music when needed. so mockups sound always a bit dead. thinking about buying the SA4000-5 MK2, ssl bus+ or ssl fusion. do you think that make sense? what hardware what you recommend on the master bus? great channel, thank you, all the best
3 quite different units. The fusion is going to give you a great starting block. You can then add a eq to the insert in stereo or mid side. Then a compressor on the fusion output. That'll give you a great processing chain.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio thank you gor your respons…what would you buy if you have to choose one? does not have to be a piece of hardware that I have listed. thank you
@@AudioAnimalsStudio do you mean a compressor plugin or hardware after the fusion?
@@tb6265 it's hard to choose just one as each has its own unique purpose. I guess what you are looking for is an all in one box for finalising a song. Have a look at the rupert neve mbp. This has silk red and blue saturation, compression and stereo field edit. Only thing you don't have is eq. But you do this in the box before you go to the mbp.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio thanks for your thoughts. appreciate 🙏
Is there a connection guide of how to set up both of these together when using a patch-bay? Apologies for a noob/dunce question. Straight ins and outs I get? But using the inserts and mis-side inputs is stumping me. Help!!!
It's quite simple the signal path. Audio into the fusion ins, fusion sends on insert to bus plus ins, bus plus out to fusion returns, fusion out to next unit. Then on the fusion press insert.
Hello and congratulations for the great content, I enjoyed the video. The fusion really sounds great with the Bus+, however in a different video you review another great compressor; the dangerous music compressor. which one do you thing will be more effective to placed as a Fusion insert? My gut says the Bus+ for all the extra processing offered and also for the way it sound in your video! but I would like to know your opinion.
I actually prefer the dangerous music compressor. It feels more like a pro compressor over the bus plus. The bus plus is great. Don't get me wrong. The dangerous comp is more on a pro mastering level, though.
Hello and thank you for your reply. I already have the fusion and my idea after seen this video was to buy the Bus+ to paired into the Fusion insert in M/S mode for mixing. I really believe that applying compression in this mode adds depth to the mix. So if you would place a compressor in the Fusion insert in M/S mode would you prefer the dangerous compressor over the Bus+ compressor even with the extra processing the Bus+ offers and the Mix compression knob? What would be your preference on this particular scenario? I will appreciate your opinion.
@charliekey2979 I would prefer the dangerous compressor myself. The bus plus has mid side built into it, so you wouldn't need to use the insert. The only benefit of having the bus plus on the insert would be to move it up and down the Fusion signal path.
Thank you. So installing the dangerous compressor as an insert on my Fusion will sound better than the Bus+ and also I can use it as a mastering compressor, right?@@AudioAnimalsStudio
@@charliekey2979 yes
Oh that width button! Wow
Paul, is this unit still one of your favorites? What is your best mix down bus compressor under 3K? I take it you like different bus compressors for mix down verses mastering?
It's still good yes. I chose the Wes Audio NG Bus Comp. Found it to be the better Bus Comp plus it has instant digital recall.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Thanks Paul. You are the best!
@braxal6983 both are great compressors and essentially do the same thing. Either would be a great choice.
Between the Wes Audio Dione and the SSL Bus +, which one is a better bus compressor? A Versus video would be cool
or even better with the WES NG Bus compressor. Would be more in the same ballpark. Would love to see this comparison.
That would be great.
One of them has dyn eq, two have plugin control and one has an insertable transformer. As a fusion owner, i think the ng is the best of the lot, the wes has the lowest headroom and price, the bus+ is the best complement to the fusion.
Hope that settles things.
I have got Fusion and I have noise when vintage drive is on, also when I put limiter and increase volume I can see that noise in one channel little beat louder, Is it normal? Also now thinking between SSL Bus + or Tegeler Creme, what can you tell about if compare Tegeler Creme vs SSL Bus + to complement the Fusion!
Yes this is quite normal. Both my Fusion's do this. I don't know why it was released with this but it was and we have to live with it now. Maybe there will be a Fusion Mk2 one day.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Tegeler Creme + SSL Fusion?:)
@@sviatoslavvorslov928 Not a fan of the Creme but others are
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Thank You!
How did u connect the two. I send fusion out to return in gbus plus. Than g bus send to fusion in. When i press the insert button on fusion all my signal is lost? Is there a setting on the gbus plus to send signal back to fusion?
You need to route the bus + like this. Fusion send to bus + input. Bus + output to Fusion return.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio awesome thank you just tried that it worked! Only downside to that is. I could only use the g bus when the fusion is on with insert selected. I was sending fusion send to sc in gbus plus and than return from sc. in order for me to use the busplus on its own i will have to set up a patch bay , and patch in g bus. Awesome videos on your gear. Thank you!
@@shaner36 yes you'd need a Patchbay if you wanted to change the routine. Glad I could help.
Do you prefer the Wes NG than the SSL Bus Plus?
Yes, I had both here to test and stuck with the NG Bus Comp. The bus plus is very good and has some cool features. I just loved the idea of instant recall of a very technical piece of hardware.
Im alternating between buying two of the three, between the Fusion, Bus + and UV EQ for mixdown purposes, primarily for hip hop and bass music. Which is the best combo, and most essential two to opt for ?
I would choose the Wes Audio NG Bus Comp over the bus plus.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Yup, i was looking at that as a non SSL Option...Why would you choose that ? U think it would pair better with the Fusion, or you mean that rather than all three ? I was a bit put off by a couple of critics saying the NG loses bass frequency..
@Kevin Martin the NG is just a far better bus comp. The bus plus is good. For me when comparing the the NG to the bus plus the Wes won every time.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Very very interesting...And you never found the NG resulted in bass loss ? Were you able to get enough texture tone from it when desired, that it would result in no need for the 'Fusion' too,, Does it effectively kill two birds with one stone ? Maybe NG plus UV EQ ? Have you reviewed the NG ? Last question(Promise ! ha), in what way you felt it "won every time ?"
@Kevin Martin coming from someone that owns one no there is no bass loss. If you know how too use a bus comp you wouldn't experience bass loss. Additionally you have side chain filter.
I still have to wonder if your Fusion is faulty. My new one (had it about 3 weeks) does not exhibit the noise you mention with the vintage drive.
It may be that they revised the issue in the later models. Ours were purchased on release day. Although on fusions that are 1 month old the noise is there. It may just be that you aren't pushing loud enough to audible hear it. Try this add a limiter to the output and crank the volume. Then put vintage drive on turn the 2 parameters and look at the noise floor in a frequency analyser. You'll see it's there. They write into the manual that it is part of the design to have this noise. Some may wonder if in fact, yours is faulty?
@@AudioAnimalsStudio I’ll give it a shot. My guess is my noise tolerance might be a bit more than yours (I’m not as picky perhaps). Lol
I do mix hot into the Fusion, but do my limiting afterwards. I’m just happy that I haven’t had enough of a problem to not use it. If it was a prob. I might have to go old school and make in/out drive operation manually. That’s always fun. Thanks for the tremendously quick response and the advice on the Insert.
@AndrewCCM if you were to have your song mastered after it has been run through the vintage drive you'll notice it.
Are you serious? They fixed the noise from Vintage Drive? I thought it couldn't be fixed?
here is a newbie question: When this Bus+ is a stereo machine then I thought you should do the left and right side individually on each side of the unit. Here is only the left side in use. How can that be?
The unit is in link mode. This means that whatever you do on the left side is identical on the right side.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Perfect answer. Is this unit made to track as well?
@@capelitheband you could track through it if you wanted. No reason not to
I use the fusion before the bus + should it be the bus plus first before the fusion?
Insert the Bus+ into the Fusion. Thats the way to do it.
I’m so confused on how to hook these up.
I have a fusion and just went for a demo shootout lastnight at a studio running everything through hapi converter which means pretty much none of the gears there couldnt be blinded or lie at all.
but yea, I wasn't impressed with the Bus+ period.
It sure is a great VCA compressor for the buck by the name of SSL yes but it was just another good VCA compressor.
I wasn't impressed with the 4k mode and I wasn't impressed with the dyn eq.
It doesn't have the typical SSLness as we all expect because I was considering both these units together as a pair so I could get more of SSL out of my mix.
Sorry bus+
sounds great though, the combo pairs nicely. But honestly, I bought an ART PRO VLAII and had the entire thing modded and updated tubes and electronics. it sounds like a buttery dream. Yeah theres a difference but not thousands of dollars worth, and for people like most of us that counts.. Also the issues people have been having with Fusion is disconcerting. I suppose if I had a studio and Warner music was feeding me millions I wouldn't hesitate. then again this is probably why the price point is where its at. They should just charge 10 grand for this. they'd probably sell a whole lot more to people like that
try XLogic G Series Comp - cleaner, pumps less
Fusion plus Manley varimu happy combo owner here. Can imagine Fusion will work well with different comps
Great. The sum of the two boxes seemed way more effective than the individual pieces of gear. They compliment each other. However, the routing is complicated to me, and I will review this video post purchase to digest what you were saying.
Yes I 100% agree. I feel they had this combination in mind when building the bus +
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Yes I think so as well.
It's actually very simple, just check the Fusion manual and it shows how to route the Buss + as a Fusion insert. The example is in page 6.
Be honest, do you ever use dynamic eq on a bus or in mastering? :))
Yes, I have a Goly 4 band dynamic EQ in every studio which is used in mastering.
@nimalsStudio Yes I understand because you're doing mastering for clients also (to enchance, repair ...) not just for your own music; but in general I believe if you've done mix right (side chaning, the right automation process, doing attack release times on the comp just right etc.), you don't need any dynamic eq later anywhere on the frequency spectrum. Unless you want that "in your face" wobbling of the mix or the bass, kick relationship just doesn't work whatever you do. :)
Great review.
I'm a happy techno/house producer and owner of this two pieces and wanted to know:
What is the next hardwear piece you would add to these two??
Thanks
A 4 band parametric EQ. This way you can add the EQ to the fusion insert and get a mid side EQ option.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio Was looking at adding an EQ. Do you have a preference between API 5500, Maag EQ4M, or Elysia xFilter? They're all priced similarly. Looks like people rave about the 5500. I typically work with material that would qualify as IDM/Drum 'n Bass and/or shoegaze guitar (disparate, but all of which have the potential to get muddy/complicated).
@Tom Busler I really like the Maag EQ4M but it is a luxury eq to go with another EQ for mastering.
Hi. Did You know that when You press&hold the IN button on HF Compressor You will turn on a Listen Mic Compressor? I'ts a hidden feature, awesome feature :) When You turn it on threshold knob stays a threshold knob but the X Over turn to a wet/dry knob. It's really interesting stuff :) enjoy
Yeah. It's amazing how long this feature was kept a secret for. SSL announced it like everyone didn't already know for the past 3 years.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio I didn't :) :) :)
Fusion on steroids lol 😂 love it
How can they be connected to each other?
You can connect them one after the other as standard in a chain. Or you can add the bus plus to the insert send return on the fusion.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio which method is better and why?
@@mhstoregameon there are better units such as an EQ you can add to the insert and make use of the mid side processing on the insert. The main benefit with using the insert is that you can move the bus plus around in the fusion chain.
@@AudioAnimalsStudio which one do you prefer when putting bus+ post or pre eq?
@@mhstoregameon I like to have compression post.
i found the perfection.....ssl 2 bus plus in insert on ssl fusion and elysia nvelope in mid/side with fusion......i can just say jesus christ...ahahhahah
Bus+ is only a Bus compressor. It means your Fusion can be inserted by any quite good comp. It will be better when these steroids comes from other brand. For example Tegeler, Elysia, Looptroter
The Bus plus is a modern take on the SSL G Bus compressor which is a mix bus compressor. The G Bus comp would be located on the mix bus/Master bus on most SSL consoles. The bus plus can of course be used as a bus compressor but it is designed for the mix bus to glue the mix together. Hence why it is so widely known as the glue. The fusion is a mix bus processor. The Bus plus is a mix bus compressor.
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these reviews go on my kock so much! why cant ppl showcase full blast on the drive knobs, i dont like guitar pedals and long to abuse this kind of gear for that but you guys are like edging blah :D just kidding but srsly tho
or like smashing the threshold show gr distortion drive input etc... im pulling my hair out every single video on any channel xD, like yea let me showcase this 3db boost on a 15 db tool becouse nobody would use it beyond that... riiiight?