Other European kingdoms to Muslims and Christians in Spain: You guys hate each other or love each other? Muslims and Christians in Spain: It's complicated.
Important to note that the Normans of south italy and of Sicily were quite tolerant until the end of their rule. There is a video about it: Kings and Generals, Normans of Sicily
As someone who has lived in Spain for a decade, one can definitely sense an enduring Muslim legacy in the nation’s monuments, especially in the south. I’ve visited the Alhambra in Granada several times, I whilst the Spanish did make some alterations to it, much of the moorish architecture is still intact
First, Spain is composed of several nations. Second, the most enduring legacy is culture, at least 30% of Castllian vocabulary is of Arab origin, agricultural systems, literature, etc. To grasp it one has to travel from north to south, Toledo being key as the city of the three cultures. Third, Alhambra is a jewel but, as a royal palace, convivencia, technically, is not applicable . It's so special visiting is a privilege. Have a little respect for it, please.
It's also important to remember the political context of Spain in 1948. This is a dictatorship trying to justify itself in a post-nazi world using historical precedence and financing scholars that will say good things about it. The state at the time included a large chunk of northern morocco including the major city of Tangiers.
Thank you so much for this video... I have immediately noticed the parallel in our modern day and in the last century. Even in Sydney how I grew up..... I experienced such a melting pot growing up and many things you mentioned I actually feel and experience.
Indeed! Even though this video was specifically about Medieval Spain, I wanted it to touch on ideas of inter-group interactions more broadly. I'm glad you could see parallels in it!
Very interesting, make me reflect on what is happening today. One on one we can get along well. It's when you are grouped, you need to take down the others to strengthen your group. Most religions promote tolerance to others. Yet when needed become very intolerant to keep control.
Exactly thats exactly that! But I want to precise, I am a Christian with other Christians and got along with a Jewish group. We debated theology with respect, there were disagreements but always with respect. Not a single slur was said. I corrected the Jews that they won’t go to hell for not believing in Jesus because back then there was no notion of hell. Which arrived later. Some suggest it arrived with the viking deity “Hel” or an anglo-saxon deity before the 7th century
When ever someone try’s to make generalizations about something I always try to make them remember context Like Herodotus talking about cultural relativism between Greeks and this Tribe in India. Both want to respect the dead but differently The tribes in India, believed in eating the dead especially the fathers The Greeks were disgusted, but they believed that to honor the dead especially the fathers Was to cremate burn the body But the tribes India were disgusted Cause they believed to cannabalize the corpse Apologizes for the lack of specifics or any inaccuracies But I hope I’ve made my point clear
This channel is criminally underrated. Thank you for your hard work and honesty. You're good at history because you aren't actively trying to spin a biased narrative.
These historian channels never talk about the circumcision of women in al andalus, because they have no clue. Read this book, The Myth of the Andalusian paradise by David fernandez morera.
One good way to answer would be “If we applied these methods, like the distinct clothing just to start with, would it be accepted in a western democracy”?
'since sexual relations were perceived through a power dynamic' this is still a reality today. Its just that the assumed powerful and assumed weak groups are different.
Sicily is a poor example of Christian Europe for so many reasons. eg it was taken over from Muslims, had a massibe Muslim population which didnt exist elsewhere, the Christian king was far more enlightened than others etc. The dynamic can never be compared to anywhere else at the time. You surely know this. And if thats your prime example your hypothesis is very much questionable.
I wrote this out, and it’s very close to my heart, because I was down there and I watched our knights and men-at-arms down at 711, down at the Iberian Peninsula right after it came down. And I saw the greatest people I’ve ever seen in action.
Great video, so glad we could do this collab together!!
I'm glad you proposed it!
Other European kingdoms to Muslims and Christians in Spain:
You guys hate each other or love each other?
Muslims and Christians in Spain:
It's complicated.
Both
Important to note that the Normans of south italy and of Sicily were quite tolerant until the end of their rule.
There is a video about it: Kings and Generals, Normans of Sicily
As someone who has lived in Spain for a decade, one can definitely sense an enduring Muslim legacy in the nation’s monuments, especially in the south.
I’ve visited the Alhambra in Granada several times, I whilst the Spanish did make some alterations to it, much of the moorish architecture is still intact
First, Spain is composed of several nations. Second, the most enduring legacy is culture, at least 30% of Castllian vocabulary is of Arab origin, agricultural systems, literature, etc. To grasp it one has to travel from north to south, Toledo being key as the city of the three cultures. Third, Alhambra is a jewel but, as a royal palace, convivencia, technically, is not applicable . It's so special visiting is a privilege. Have a little respect for it, please.
Very informative, very well researched, thanks a lot for sharing this video.
Thanks for watching!
It's also important to remember the political context of Spain in 1948. This is a dictatorship trying to justify itself in a post-nazi world using historical precedence and financing scholars that will say good things about it. The state at the time included a large chunk of northern morocco including the major city of Tangiers.
Thank you so much for this video... I have immediately noticed the parallel in our modern day and in the last century. Even in Sydney how I grew up..... I experienced such a melting pot growing up and many things you mentioned I actually feel and experience.
Indeed! Even though this video was specifically about Medieval Spain, I wanted it to touch on ideas of inter-group interactions more broadly. I'm glad you could see parallels in it!
Really glad I found this channel so soon. Subbed!
Very interesting, make me reflect on what is happening today. One on one we can get along well. It's when you are grouped, you need to take down the others to strengthen your group. Most religions promote tolerance to others. Yet when needed become very intolerant to keep control.
Indeed
Exactly thats exactly that!
But I want to precise, I am a Christian with other Christians and got along with a Jewish group. We debated theology with respect, there were disagreements but always with respect. Not a single slur was said.
I corrected the Jews that they won’t go to hell for not believing in Jesus because back then there was no notion of hell.
Which arrived later. Some suggest it arrived with the viking deity “Hel” or an anglo-saxon deity before the 7th century
When ever someone try’s to make generalizations about something I always try to make them remember context
Like Herodotus talking about cultural relativism between Greeks and this Tribe in India.
Both want to respect the dead but differently
The tribes in India, believed in eating the dead especially the fathers
The Greeks were disgusted, but they believed that to honor the dead especially the fathers
Was to cremate burn the body
But the tribes India were disgusted
Cause they believed to cannabalize the corpse
Apologizes for the lack of specifics or any inaccuracies
But I hope I’ve made my point clear
Thank you for the balanced and respectful view. ❤
This channel is criminally underrated. Thank you for your hard work and honesty. You're good at history because you aren't actively trying to spin a biased narrative.
tl;dr it depended on the time and who was ruling.
Thank you for your excellent work, again. I appreciate it greatly.
So, as most people from before ideology became the driving force of politics: they were just immensely practical.
These historian channels never talk about the circumcision of women in al andalus, because they have no clue. Read this book, The Myth of the Andalusian paradise by David fernandez morera.
Omg I was to say the same thing!
I watched his video where he talked about it in an interview
Fascinating subject. I'm descended from both groups oddly enough 😂😂😂
One good way to answer would be
“If we applied these methods, like the distinct clothing just to start with, would it be accepted in a western democracy”?
Awesome!
'since sexual relations were perceived through a power dynamic' this is still a reality today. Its just that the assumed powerful and assumed weak groups are different.
So basically they were being adults and tried their best to get along. For whatever reasons they had
Sicily is a poor example of Christian Europe for so many reasons. eg it was taken over from Muslims, had a massibe Muslim population which didnt exist elsewhere, the Christian king was far more enlightened than others etc. The dynamic can never be compared to anywhere else at the time. You surely know this. And if thats your prime example your hypothesis is very much questionable.
I wrote this out, and it’s very close to my heart, because I was down there and I watched our knights and men-at-arms down at 711, down at the Iberian Peninsula right after it came down. And I saw the greatest people I’ve ever seen in action.
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Not hispanic , spanish please
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