I own two genuine BM Infidels and have taken them apart to see what makes them so wonderful. ONE thing that makes them so wonderful is the use of a locking boss inserted through the blade shank and secured by a machine screw. From the factory, the ones I have came without thread locker on that screw. After a few dozen blade cycles the blade went from being absolutely rigid feeling to flopping like a freshly caught fish! Once I took a peek inside I saw the problem...the Infidel has an excellent 3-point locking system on the locking BOSS, but if the boss is not secured tight into the blade shank by the machine screw, the blade will wobble around. The screw cannot back out far enough to release the blade entirely, only far enough so that persons who don't know any better will think the knife has just experiences some sort of accelerated wear. Even if the screw could fall out, the locking boss extends through the shank so the blade can't drop out of the knife, but it can wobble around plenty! The right answer is to apply Red Lock-tite to the machine screw and cinch it down tight, and let is set up before cycling the blade. After that the blades on my genuine Infidels have has ZERO play across the face axis, and only slight movement across the edge axis due to the blade locks rocking slightly. The basic design uses a steel sub-frame that aligns the steel locking boss and has a flat front face with rounded edges that mates perfectly with the locking boss. The twin locks swing in behind the boss from either side, creating an interference fit that cannot be "broken" by the "nail test." The result is a very rigid lock up of the locking boss. So any more than the smallest amount of play in an Infidel blade should be cause for investigation.
Good Video man! I agree with your findings and I paid $695 for my Hellhound CT New & I was happy to do it. I think it is that good. I also carry a Custom 1911 or a Dan Wesson 1911 as my EDC when I am off duty. To me it is about Quality over everything else. Thank-you for the informative Video Review. I know making these videos require hours and hours of work, and that you are trying to pass on good information. Stay positive and keep up the good fight for all of us. Love your Microtech…… Don’t Sell It. 🤠👍🇺🇸👮🏻♂️⭐️. B9USA Sr.
Hey...have you tried any of the guardian knives yet? I'm curious about the MT but am loving the recon elite I just got. All good stuff but curious about your take if any
A channel I regularly watch came up with a Combat Troodon review(lovely red handle) and abuse video a couple weeks back, it involved cutting sheet metal, tire sidewalls and hammering the whole knife blade straight up to the handle onto a two inch thick wood plank, as well as dropping it on mud. Passed the test with no failures. :)
Big Bore Knife & Gear, I gotta agree ya bro! To me there is no comparison. You can break a window if you need to, and (at least to me), that Troodon blade is more bad ass. Plus you can actually use the top of that blade if needed. just ma 2 cents!
The infidel used to be my grail knife. Then the spring tension faded over a very short period of time (1-3 months). This is an issue with all infidels so far as I can tell in my experience
I have both. I carry a Cipher and the Infidel more often than the Troodon. I have a number of Microtechs that never see pocket time...but they are nice to look at and fire. ;)
What’s the best way to ensure that a novice like me trying to buy a used knife like the combat Troodon online can make sure that it’s authentic? If I receive it is there a way to look at the serial numbers or is there anything significant that word leave me to believe it’s authentic?
The best way is to contact Microtech directly about it. There are a ton of things to look at and they change by generation. These are some of the most heavily cloned knives out there. If you want send some pics to my email (metalcomplex87@gmail.com) and I'll try to help authenticate it. I know a few people who can confirm if I am unable 👍
@@metal_complex your advice worked out great for me. My unique situation prohibits me from looking directly at the knife. I have been blind for half my life. When I asked the seller to send me a pic or let me forward it to you he backed immediately out of the sale. I opted into purchasing one from a reputable source. Thank you so much for providing that advice. Yeah save me from having some extra scrap metal laying around. I am currently seeking a Protech dark angel and they are no longer being produced. If you happen onto one of those could you please let me know? Or if any of your viewers that are able to provide photos of the knife for a visual confirmation it would be greatly appreciated.
@@goo5976 the problem is there are better steels that would normally be used with a knife of that price. D2 is a “budget steel”. $400 aint exactly budget, so you would expect better steels
You gotta get yourself a D/E Combat Troodon so we can see the dagger blade in comparision to all the other dagger blades! It's got a nice wide cross section.
Great comparison. I just bought a Combat Troodon D/E serrated satin blade. Can't wait til it arrives in 2 days. Looks like a great OTF. I prefer Microtechs. Never had one fail yet.
@@YaGhAd It's great. Actually, I loved it so much that I bought 3 more Combat Troodons these past 6 months!! So now I have 3 regular CT's and one Marfione Custom CT that has a blued Damascus blade. All working flawlessly.
I have the Microtech Combat Troodon , knife is a beast. My EDC is the Benchmade Shootout because of how lightweight it is and super sharp. Also, have a Microtech UTX-85 and Benchmade Claymore and Bugout. All awesome knives.
So as of Sept of 2023, according to Microtech they are using M390 for year 2022/2023 knifes. I know as well that there is also now a M390MK version as well of blade steel, which is specific for Microtech now. That was from Ray at MT at the Shot Show 2023 interview. 👍🤠
@@apocalypticredix8538 Honestly, if you're wanting an OTF, in that price range I'd go with an Ultratech. I bought both because I wanted to see for myself, sold the Infidel after less than a week, still have and carry the Ultratech all the time. If you had the money the Combat Troodon is fantastic as well. I didn't have confidence the Infidel would open every time. The spring felt weak and there was a couple times it failed to fire. To this day I've not had a FTF with either of my Microtech's.
You said OTF's all have play in the blades except for the Deadlock...my Microtech Halo V has absolutely no play at all but it is also single action...I didn't know if you wanted to clarify you ment D/A.
I like Benchmade. I own many of their knives and they are fantastic, but my Phaeton OTF doesn't hold a candle to my Combat Troodon. I'll probably never get another BM OTF, but there will be several Microtechs in my future.
I loved my Benchmade Phaeton and sometimes I still carry it just because of how light and convenient it is to carry, but when I got my combat troodon it made my phaeton feel like a child’s toy! Still have to give it to Benchmade, my phaeton has been 100% reliable but I will probably be sticking to Microtech and maybe guardian tactical in the future for Otfs.
Both of my expensive OTF's had gotten scratches on the blades from the moment it was first opened... The tolerances are so tight to try and keep trash out to try and prevent people from opening them that it just rubs in certain areas... It isnt a HUGE issue on the microtech versus the Hogue I have which is definitely worse but its bad enough... I don't want scratches on my brand new 300+ dollar knife that I can do nothing to prevent.
I usually agree with you on most things. I would say that I disagree with the locking system not being durable. I’ve seen these things take a ton of abuse (mainly on TH-cam stress testing videos). But they hold up very well. I use both otf’s and folding. Ive had folding knives fail, never had an otf from Microtech fail. I’ve actually never seen one fail. And I have seen numerous liner locks and frame locks fail.
I would say, in general, otfs can fail in more ways because of the total number of moving parts, and are therefore less durable. That being said, you're right. The lock that holds the blade in place can handle some serious abuse! 👍
Metal Complex I agree! I think with the addition to all the moving parts, there are more things that can go wrong with the otf’s. Fortunately, although I’ve been pretty tough on my otf’s they’ve always been reliable. Admittedly, I mostly have experience with Microtechs and some benchmades.
@@metal_complex a otf is actually safer and better to use than a liner lock because if a liner lock fails it can fold on your hand and cut your fingers off unlike a otf
My infidel has zero blade play, no "loosey goosey" as mentioned. And no button play. Not sure if I got lucky or the sample in this video was rode hard and out up wet or what
Sorry, but there's no way your Infidel has "zero" blade play. I've handled 8 or more from the shop in town and they all had substantial play. This was over multiple years. Besides that, these things are notorious for having excess play. It's widely known.
I have the dirac delta as my edc, absolutely love this knife. Fine, quality, American craftsmanship. I got the stonewashed blade with full serration in the M390 steel. Legal to own and carry in my state since 2017. I was torn between the infidel or the dirac delta, i went with the microtech because i already owned the UTX 70, and ive been very impressed with the quality of their knives.
@@theselfmadecollective7876 in Michigan, i found out that the double sided blade is legal to own here, just not legal to carry, however, the single sided blade is legal to carry... kind of dumb dont ya think?
M390 is Great…. & I just ordered 4 New Microtechs with M390 yesterday. I have decided to build a collection of Really Nice Knives in 2022 before I Retire. I already have the Hellhound in this video. 🤠👍🇺🇸 B9USA Sr.
Ak47 vs ar15 Ive played with both knives and own ultratech and know it dont always work without maintenance like ar15 requires so i think the benchmade would be better for a tactical situation and think it will always deploy and dont feel same way with microtech.. i dont own either or tested them but my opinion based on ultratech needing constant cleaning and lube even if not using it , just from dust in your pocket.. i dont think same happens with the benchmade.. funny thing it i want the microtech cause blade material and i want DE spear point with 1 side fully serrated
Microtech has had benchmade beat for years. I like benchmade for their balisongs [except the 6x series, like what the fuck were they thinking?] since they hold up, and are genuinely well made. The out the fronts from benchmades are just too outdated I guess you could say. They don’t seem special, and well with the infidel I get those cheap single action knockoff vibes from it. I ordered a Dirac delta and well, compared to my old infidel I can say it’s time to retire or revamp the infidel. I won’t buy a new benchmade though, considering their recent track record.
Over these 2 the combat troodon is the winner in my opinion. If you compared it to the phaeton, autocrat, or discontinued pagan then microtech had a loss. For these 2 I am going for the combat troodon.
My issue with the BM infidel is the fact that the handle is shaped like a yogurt slinger and the blade comes equipped with a tiny set of balls and a pencil dee on either side. Seriously WTF were they thinking with that? Between that and the crude looking firing switch with exposed track, I’ll take Microtech all day every day.
At least the Infidel doesn’t jam constantly with a tiny bit of dirt. Microtech is overrated and if you think not it’s because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@jeromebullard6123I agree. I have Ultratech and Infidel. Ultratech seems to be nice EDC knife but spring is very stiff and triger so rough that it literally hurts Your fingers. Despite stiff deplpyment system my Ultratech was misfiring constantly when was cold and after more over one year of sporadic use the spring gave up and right now is in service. Infidel misired literally once and only becouse I forced him to do so.
i need the 3300BK Benchmade Infidel. Everyone's out of it looks like. Found one at Blade HQ but when ordering the "processing payment" just spun and spun for 11 minutes until I closed the page. Now I've got that to worry about as to when an unexpected charge will show up. A poop show with those guys, even a data breach in 2021 reviewed by the fed not to have revealed any social security info, but what about card numbers. Doh!!! If anyone has a line on that BK being in stock please give a shout out. Thanks.
I bought 3300 Infidel,maybe. The slide switch has screw,plus a glass breaker. Additionally, no balls on blade. Doesn't say Infidel on pocket clip.Can it b
Used to be a huge fan of Benchmade. Not so much anymore. I’ve gone off into the weeds of customs and semi customs and I haven’t gone back. I have a mini Infidel and I have the 121-1VI. Like the Microtech wins.
Benchmade is famous for their amazing customer service and warranty. How is Mircotech warranty? heard many bad stories about their service or not fulfilling warranty.
I've been saying I'm going to buy one and I've saved the cash I'm thinking tomorrow. What version did you get and do you still like it. I'm going with tanto partially serrated.
@@j-rocd9507 well I can tell you that the spring broke I took it apart and fixed it and it also might seem that the switch is really stiff but it really is normal your thumb will get tougher and it will seem easier I bought the signature series with the carbon fiber front and bronze blade all in all its a pretty cool knife
@@gyrfalcon-6 I have a few otf and have fixed one. I get the thumb thing and a lot of people seem to push down instead of forward. Thanks for replying I appreciate it. All the best to you and yours.
It seems that you're comparing a new Troodon to an Infidel that clearly has some miles on it. I think that's where the play that you noted on the BM is from. I own both and both were very tight and tactile out of the box. It seems like the Troodon has held up better but I also carry the infidel more so it's tough to really pick one. Both are outstanding knives. Great video sir. Thanks!
My infidel has had alot of blade play since day of delivery. I thought that Benchmade would have made a better product for 500 bucks I spent 4 something on Dirac delta and its leaps and bounds higher quality than the infidel or at least mine. I also have a ultra tech signature series don't know if that has anything to do with build quality but it also has very little blade play. I don't know much but out of all my otf I like Dirac delta best and a piranha rated x second honestly
Once I've shelled out the thousand or so for a Combat Troodon "Signature Series" isn't it MY knife? Shouldn't MT want me - the person who just forked over huge money for a knife composed of $20 worth of raw material to be happy? No, of course not because that would destroy the myth that these knifes are just oh-so-complicated and only a certified MT knife-magician can understand them! I own several Microtech knives and I've pulled the top cover on every single one of them to examine how they work. I found no special placards or a slender hair strategically placed to alert the MT wizards of my intrusion, so if I ever experience a major break down such as a broken blade, I'll send that puppy right on in! There is really nothing else but the firing spring to break and those can be SELF-sourced.
I ended up with the Benchmade Mini Infidel. Got it for about $350 inclusive of tax and it's one of the coolest fidget toys I own. It does a great job and opening letters and cutting the tape down on boxes too 😂. One of the main reasons I got the BM is the grippy feel of the coating, great feeling in my hand, superior trigger location for me, and the symmetry. (compared to the MT). Don't get me wrong, the MT is a beautiful piece but for me the asymmetry was off putting and the glass breaker make the knife look cheap. It reminds me of the ugly helium escape valve on Omega Seamaster watches...just doesn't look right in comparison to a Rolex Sub.
The mechanisms in the benchmade is a nightmare to service. Mine wasn’t firing properly due to pocket lint I guess(it looked fairly clean when I opened it). There are a total of six left springs that gave me a hell of a time to reset. I know it may take a while getting your knife back, but in my opinion take advantage of their warranty, plus the knife comes back razor sharp.
Actually microtech will fix anything you acrew up but they do charge for it. So say you sharpen your microtech and you don't do it right and screw the blade up, they will replace the blade but your going to pay for it.
Cool! I'm afraid I'll pass on both... I don't need speed when I need a knife, I have 2 folders that work just fine. These are cool though. Thanks. Oh if I spend that much on a knife I better get a nurse too!😂😂
This fancy blade with holes looks like pain in the a.. when You EDC this knife and even the small debris can jam Your knife. And Microtechs are not especially debris friendly knives.
As a REALLY well trained knife fighter ( I began my training when I was only 5 years old, as my both parents were Military and had a huge experience as they fight during very deadly wars : mom fight in Indochina and in Algeria and dad fight in Vietnam ( He was French but lived in USA from 1944 to 1974, I should say 1969 as he was in Vietnam from 1969 to 1974 ). My both parents wanted me to be ready to fight as they thought that a WW 3 was coming, and they began by training me to Close Combat . So, as I want a knife to be a good fighting knife, I prefer the Benchmade because a double edged blade is always more effective, and even if I have 2 Benchmade infidel, I always prefer to have a fixed blade with me, more effective, more silent ( a good knife fighter never ever let his enemies to know he carry a knife until he stabs, and All OTF are pretty noisy, and a very typical noise, so a fixed blade is far more easy to use silently !
AL, you are obviously a genuine badass and have forgotten more about knife fighting than I will ever know, but most of don't carry OTFs for combat. We carry them so that we can pretend we're John Wick while we open a box or slice a piece of cheese. Still, respect for you brother!
I find it kind of ridiculous these knives are only sold to law enforcement or military when LEO academies don’t train or certify on the usage of knives. Straight up Police states.
MICROTECH ALL DAY! BEST AUTO'S ON THE MARKET..!! LOVE MINES! INFIDELS ARE THE UGLIEST AUTOS TO ME...THEY NEED TO REDESIGN THEM FAST!! NEVER LIKED UM...
Infidel just way cooler looking. Never thought any OTF with the boxy shape and switch on the side was near as cool-they all look like cheapies from gun shows.
So you’re saying when you overpaid for this knife you now understand Benchmade Bugout owners and why they sell so well? 😂😂😂. Kidding of course! I say this in total jest!
I just don't understand why microtech doesn't make more hellhound blade..It sold out everywhere why make all these blades that no one buys..They seriously need to take a few months and only produce hellhound blade..
Man that's 29 minutes and 44 seconds of my life I'll never get back! GEEZUS! Thirty minutes of spewing word salad to ultimately justify the one you're in love with at the moment. I really don't care about whether the button wiggles, or whether the blade has some play - that's for the internet commandos. The review I expected to see...HOPED to see, was a SBS comparison of the internal action...not hear a 30 minute diatribe about how complicated it is to take apart, when a trained monkey can take one apart and put it back together for a banana!
Then if you know all this and its so easy why did you need the video. You probably don't even own one. Talking about internet commandos when that's spot on what you are. Skim over the video next time instead of whining about it.
I own two genuine BM Infidels and have taken them apart to see what makes them so wonderful. ONE thing that makes them so wonderful is the use of a locking boss inserted through the blade shank and secured by a machine screw. From the factory, the ones I have came without thread locker on that screw. After a few dozen blade cycles the blade went from being absolutely rigid feeling to flopping like a freshly caught fish! Once I took a peek inside I saw the problem...the Infidel has an excellent 3-point locking system on the locking BOSS, but if the boss is not secured tight into the blade shank by the machine screw, the blade will wobble around. The screw cannot back out far enough to release the blade entirely, only far enough so that persons who don't know any better will think the knife has just experiences some sort of accelerated wear. Even if the screw could fall out, the locking boss extends through the shank so the blade can't drop out of the knife, but it can wobble around plenty! The right answer is to apply Red Lock-tite to the machine screw and cinch it down tight, and let is set up before cycling the blade. After that the blades on my genuine Infidels have has ZERO play across the face axis, and only slight movement across the edge axis due to the blade locks rocking slightly. The basic design uses a steel sub-frame that aligns the steel locking boss and has a flat front face with rounded edges that mates perfectly with the locking boss. The twin locks swing in behind the boss from either side, creating an interference fit that cannot be "broken" by the "nail test." The result is a very rigid lock up of the locking boss. So any more than the smallest amount of play in an Infidel blade should be cause for investigation.
Good Video man! I agree with your findings and I paid $695 for my Hellhound CT New & I was happy to do it. I think it is that good. I also carry a Custom 1911 or a Dan Wesson 1911 as my EDC when I am off duty. To me it is about Quality over everything else. Thank-you for the informative Video Review. I know making these videos require hours and hours of work, and that you are trying to pass on good information. Stay positive and keep up the good fight for all of us. Love your Microtech…… Don’t Sell It.
🤠👍🇺🇸👮🏻♂️⭐️. B9USA Sr.
Hey...have you tried any of the guardian knives yet? I'm curious about the MT but am loving the recon elite I just got. All good stuff but curious about your take if any
Watching this through a projector on a wall - big knives just got bigger!
A channel I regularly watch came up with a Combat Troodon review(lovely red handle) and abuse video a couple weeks back, it involved cutting sheet metal, tire sidewalls and hammering the whole knife blade straight up to the handle onto a two inch thick wood plank, as well as dropping it on mud.
Passed the test with no failures. :)
Just watched it. GREAT video 👍👍
It pretty much made my mind up for me on the Combat Troodon. Although I am a fan of the butterfly.
Nice overview, man. I like both, but I’d prefer the Combat Troodon! ⚔️😎👍
Nice comparison. My preference still goes to Microtech.
Big Bore Knife & Gear, I gotta agree ya bro! To me there is no comparison. You can break a window if you need to, and (at least to me), that Troodon blade is more bad ass. Plus you can actually use the top of that blade if needed. just ma 2 cents!
The real debate here is, why not both? ☺️
@@yourejustmad9938 because just like in the Scottish Highlands, there can only be one🙂
Troodon all day everyday. There is really no comparison.
The infidel used to be my grail knife. Then the spring tension faded over a very short period of time (1-3 months). This is an issue with all infidels so far as I can tell in my experience
Hasn’t happened with two of mine that have seen heavy use for over a decade. You got a fake.
friends help in choosing which one to buy?
I have both. I carry a Cipher and the Infidel more often than the Troodon. I have a number of Microtechs that never see pocket time...but they are nice to look at and fire. ;)
Are these legal in arizona??
Nice comparison. Now you have to get some Guardian Tactical and Heretic OTFs. 😉
+1 for heretic
I have the exact same troodon in my carry rotation awesome knife.
What’s the best way to ensure that a novice like me trying to buy a used knife like the combat Troodon online can make sure that it’s authentic? If I receive it is there a way to look at the serial numbers or is there anything significant that word leave me to believe it’s authentic?
The best way is to contact Microtech directly about it.
There are a ton of things to look at and they change by generation. These are some of the most heavily cloned knives out there. If you want send some pics to my email (metalcomplex87@gmail.com) and I'll try to help authenticate it. I know a few people who can confirm if I am unable 👍
@@metal_complex your advice worked out great for me. My unique situation prohibits me from looking directly at the knife. I have been blind for half my life. When I asked the seller to send me a pic or let me forward it to you he backed immediately out of the sale. I opted into purchasing one from a reputable source. Thank you so much for providing that advice. Yeah save me from having some extra scrap metal laying around. I am currently seeking a Protech dark angel and they are no longer being produced. If you happen onto one of those could you please let me know? Or if any of your viewers that are able to provide photos of the knife for a visual confirmation it would be greatly appreciated.
Oh hey no problem! Glad to help! 😊👍
Not sure about toughness. I've seen the microtech otf hammered through a 2x4. I wouldn't do that with a liner lock.
Lmao is there a video of that
Microtech socom elite can. Look up torture tests for that. Socom in my pocket every day
@@dillanarcher64 yep
17:55 I believe that design is here so our troops can go "balls deep" on our enemies.
Rockchalk Jayhawk! Just picked up the infidel. Cool knife.
Another Kansan here. Appreciate the video!
I almost bought the very same MT model but I changed my mind. I went with an all black Infidel in S30V. No regrets whatsoever.
If a spring is weak then it's more likely to not fully deploy. Completely valid criticism of an otf.
Great review!
Man I just can’t get over them using d2 steel for a 400$ knife
Same
Works great, and is a workhorse of a steel. Literally feels like a tool. Works great with the adamas and cant see how it wouldn't work great
@@goo5976 you must have to wear a helmet each time you go in public
@@goo5976 literally you can get the kalashnikov by Boker for like $60 or less with D2 steel.....
@@goo5976 the problem is there are better steels that would normally be used with a knife of that price. D2 is a “budget steel”. $400 aint exactly budget, so you would expect better steels
You gotta get yourself a D/E Combat Troodon so we can see the dagger blade in comparision to all the other dagger blades! It's got a nice wide cross section.
Great comparison. I just bought a Combat Troodon D/E serrated satin blade. Can't wait til it arrives in 2 days. Looks like a great OTF. I prefer Microtechs. Never had one fail yet.
Congrats! So how is it 7 months later?
@@YaGhAd It's great. Actually, I loved it so much that I bought 3 more Combat Troodons these past 6 months!! So now I have 3 regular CT's and one Marfione Custom CT that has a blued Damascus blade. All working flawlessly.
@@DavidM-lj5yv nice!!!
I have the Microtech Combat Troodon , knife is a beast. My EDC is the Benchmade Shootout because of how lightweight it is and super sharp. Also, have a Microtech UTX-85 and Benchmade Claymore and Bugout. All awesome knives.
So as of Sept of 2023, according to Microtech they are using M390 for year 2022/2023 knifes. I know as well that there is also now a M390MK version as well of blade steel, which is specific for Microtech now. That was from Ray at MT at the Shot Show 2023 interview. 👍🤠
I think the M390MK is only for the folders and OTS autos right now.
Is the Microtech very sharp out of the box ?
Very
Once you are spending 500$ what's another 180$? Just get what you want or you might end up with both ; )
I was offered the infidel full size for $250 Law enforcement discount, is it still worth it?
@@apocalypticredix8538 Honestly, if you're wanting an OTF, in that price range I'd go with an Ultratech. I bought both because I wanted to see for myself, sold the Infidel after less than a week, still have and carry the Ultratech all the time. If you had the money the Combat Troodon is fantastic as well. I didn't have confidence the Infidel would open every time. The spring felt weak and there was a couple times it failed to fire. To this day I've not had a FTF with either of my Microtech's.
@@apocalypticredix8538 No.
You said OTF's all have play in the blades except for the Deadlock...my Microtech Halo V has absolutely no play at all but it is also single action...I didn't know if you wanted to clarify you ment D/A.
Neither does a 90$ smith and Wesson otf
Ok 🙄
the prices of these is out of control! that being said, they are both cool as fuck and i want them. lol
Ok ok but Which is the best ambidextrous knife..
Microtech dirac
Getting a follow from a fellow Kansan.
My CT broke the spring twice. I finally fixed it after having to order the tool and deburr the bitch myself
Someday I ll own a Microtech.
I like Benchmade. I own many of their knives and they are fantastic, but my Phaeton OTF doesn't hold a candle to my Combat Troodon. I'll probably never get another BM OTF, but there will be several Microtechs in my future.
I am like you James, I have several Benchmade folders that I like a bunch, but for OTF it has to be a Microtech!
🤠👍🇺🇸👮🏻♂️⭐️. B9USA Sr.
I loved my Benchmade Phaeton and sometimes I still carry it just because of how light and convenient it is to carry, but when I got my combat troodon it made my phaeton feel like a child’s toy! Still have to give it to Benchmade, my phaeton has been 100% reliable but I will probably be sticking to Microtech and maybe guardian tactical in the future for Otfs.
Infidel! You see way more of those in the field, especially while I was with the Rangers! Benchmade is a great company! Microtech is awesome as well
I can carry grapefruit in my gym shorts pockets...does it make sense? Fu** no.
Both of my expensive OTF's had gotten scratches on the blades from the moment it was first opened... The tolerances are so tight to try and keep trash out to try and prevent people from opening them that it just rubs in certain areas... It isnt a HUGE issue on the microtech versus the Hogue I have which is definitely worse but its bad enough... I don't want scratches on my brand new 300+ dollar knife that I can do nothing to prevent.
Both Fantastic knives ! You are right , its the about the knives. Great video , Thanks for sharing !
I’m glad I live in Montana, now I just need to own one of these 😆
I usually agree with you on most things. I would say that I disagree with the locking system not being durable. I’ve seen these things take a ton of abuse (mainly on TH-cam stress testing videos). But they hold up very well. I use both otf’s and folding. Ive had folding knives fail, never had an otf from Microtech fail. I’ve actually never seen one fail. And I have seen numerous liner locks and frame locks fail.
I would say, in general, otfs can fail in more ways because of the total number of moving parts, and are therefore less durable. That being said, you're right. The lock that holds the blade in place can handle some serious abuse! 👍
Metal Complex I agree! I think with the addition to all the moving parts, there are more things that can go wrong with the otf’s. Fortunately, although I’ve been pretty tough on my otf’s they’ve always been reliable. Admittedly, I mostly have experience with Microtechs and some benchmades.
@@metal_complex a otf is actually safer and better to use than a liner lock because if a liner lock fails it can fold on your hand and cut your fingers off unlike a otf
My infidel has zero blade play, no "loosey goosey" as mentioned. And no button play. Not sure if I got lucky or the sample in this video was rode hard and out up wet or what
Sorry, but there's no way your Infidel has "zero" blade play. I've handled 8 or more from the shop in town and they all had substantial play. This was over multiple years. Besides that, these things are notorious for having excess play. It's widely known.
My infidel has blade play, zero button play. However, I love it still :)
There’s not way your infidel has zero blade play trust me if you move the blade side to side with force the blade will move
@@metal_complex Had hands on the large infidel yesterday and they blade pay was much tighter than the UTX-85. Bought the infidel and selling the micro
I have the dirac delta as my edc, absolutely love this knife. Fine, quality, American craftsmanship.
I got the stonewashed blade with full serration in the M390 steel. Legal to own and carry in my state since 2017.
I was torn between the infidel or the dirac delta, i went with the microtech because i already owned the UTX 70, and ive been very impressed with the quality of their knives.
@@theselfmadecollective7876 in Michigan, i found out that the double sided blade is legal to own here, just not legal to carry, however, the single sided blade is legal to carry... kind of dumb dont ya think?
I got the DIRAC DELTA ELITE Blacked out and limited run. Been sitting in the safe every since.
I just got the same pattern microtech but its in m390
M390 is Great…. & I just ordered 4 New Microtechs with M390 yesterday. I have decided to build a collection of Really Nice Knives in 2022 before I Retire. I already have the Hellhound in this video. 🤠👍🇺🇸 B9USA Sr.
Ak47 vs ar15
Ive played with both knives and own ultratech and know it dont always work without maintenance like ar15 requires so i think the benchmade would be better for a tactical situation and think it will always deploy and dont feel same way with microtech.. i dont own either or tested them but my opinion based on ultratech needing constant cleaning and lube even if not using it , just from dust in your pocket.. i dont think same happens with the benchmade.. funny thing it i want the microtech cause blade material and i want DE spear point with 1 side fully serrated
Check out a Piranha Excalibur, built like a tank.
Microtech has had benchmade beat for years. I like benchmade for their balisongs [except the 6x series, like what the fuck were they thinking?] since they hold up, and are genuinely well made. The out the fronts from benchmades are just too outdated I guess you could say. They don’t seem special, and well with the infidel I get those cheap single action knockoff vibes from it. I ordered a Dirac delta and well, compared to my old infidel I can say it’s time to retire or revamp the infidel. I won’t buy a new benchmade though, considering their recent track record.
PVK sells the tri-bit for the Microtech.
I would love to get my hands on an feel the differences in person before dropping hundreds of dollars for one...
Go with the Microtech. 👍
@@metal_complex now if I can find the right color in stock... I've been looking all over and everyone is sold out!
Definitely microtech!
I carried the infedel for 3 years on duty then swapped to microtech and have carried it ever since
Zips through seatbelts like they aren't there and have used window break countless times
Over these 2 the combat troodon is the winner in my opinion. If you compared it to the phaeton, autocrat, or discontinued pagan then microtech had a loss. For these 2 I am going for the combat troodon.
I just bought a microtech for the first time I think I'm going to return it.
My issue with the BM infidel is the fact that the handle is shaped like a yogurt slinger and the blade comes equipped with a tiny set of balls and a pencil dee on either side.
Seriously WTF were they thinking with that?
Between that and the crude looking firing switch with exposed track, I’ll take Microtech all day every day.
At least the Infidel doesn’t jam constantly with a tiny bit of dirt. Microtech is overrated and if you think not it’s because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@jeromebullard6123I agree. I have Ultratech and Infidel. Ultratech seems to be nice EDC knife but spring is very stiff and triger so rough that it literally hurts Your fingers. Despite stiff deplpyment system my Ultratech was misfiring constantly when was cold and after more over one year of sporadic use the spring gave up and right now is in service. Infidel misired literally once and only becouse I forced him to do so.
i need the 3300BK Benchmade Infidel. Everyone's out of it looks like. Found one at Blade HQ but when ordering the "processing payment" just spun and spun for 11 minutes until I closed the page. Now I've got that to worry about as to when an unexpected charge will show up. A poop show with those guys, even a data breach in 2021 reviewed by the fed not to have revealed any social security info, but what about card numbers. Doh!!! If anyone has a line on that BK being in stock please give a shout out. Thanks.
I bought 3300 Infidel,maybe.
The slide switch has screw,plus a glass breaker. Additionally, no balls on blade. Doesn't say Infidel on pocket clip.Can it b
Sorry friend. But it is certainly fake.
@@rhinosaur. no doubt
Used to be a huge fan of Benchmade. Not so much anymore.
I’ve gone off into the weeds of customs and semi customs and I haven’t gone back.
I have a mini Infidel and I have the 121-1VI. Like the Microtech wins.
Benchmade is famous for their amazing customer service and warranty. How is Mircotech warranty? heard many bad stories about their service or not fulfilling warranty.
I just bought a combat troodon I love it
I've been saying I'm going to buy one and I've saved the cash I'm thinking tomorrow. What version did you get and do you still like it. I'm going with tanto partially serrated.
@@j-rocd9507 well I can tell you that the spring broke I took it apart and fixed it and it also might seem that the switch is really stiff but it really is normal your thumb will get tougher and it will seem easier I bought the signature series with the carbon fiber front and bronze blade all in all its a pretty cool knife
@@gyrfalcon-6 I have a few otf and have fixed one. I get the thumb thing and a lot of people seem to push down instead of forward. Thanks for replying I appreciate it. All the best to you and yours.
@@j-rocd9507 get a double edge half serrated
Hello fellow Kansan
It seems that you're comparing a new Troodon to an Infidel that clearly has some miles on it. I think that's where the play that you noted on the BM is from. I own both and both were very tight and tactile out of the box. It seems like the Troodon has held up better but I also carry the infidel more so it's tough to really pick one. Both are outstanding knives. Great video sir. Thanks!
Nope. The Infidel in this pic is completely and totally unused.
My infidel has had alot of blade play since day of delivery. I thought that Benchmade would have made a better product for 500 bucks I spent 4 something on Dirac delta and its leaps and bounds higher quality than the infidel or at least mine. I also have a ultra tech signature series don't know if that has anything to do with build quality but it also has very little blade play. I don't know much but out of all my otf I like Dirac delta best and a piranha rated x second honestly
If you want a otf go for microtech if you want a balisong go to benchmade
As a Canadian…🤦🏻♂️🇨🇦
infidels $380 new. Mini version is also available
Those tactical beans seem a little unnecessary.
Once I've shelled out the thousand or so for a Combat Troodon "Signature Series" isn't it MY knife? Shouldn't MT want me - the person who just forked over huge money for a knife composed of $20 worth of raw material to be happy? No, of course not because that would destroy the myth that these knifes are just oh-so-complicated and only a certified MT knife-magician can understand them!
I own several Microtech knives and I've pulled the top cover on every single one of them to examine how they work. I found no special placards or a slender hair strategically placed to alert the MT wizards of my intrusion, so if I ever experience a major break down such as a broken blade, I'll send that puppy right on in! There is really nothing else but the firing spring to break and those can be SELF-sourced.
This is not even a debate. A pre 2022 CT is tits
I wear skinny jeans and I carry cold steel xl so u definitely can wear it skinny jeans brother
Microtech all day long!
Seen you on other videos just got a cypher so fucking stoked!
And Twice on Sunday gentlemen!! I just ordered 4 Microtechs OTF…. I can’t wait. 🤠👍🇺🇸👮🏻♂️⭐️. B9USA Sr.
The infidel blade looks like it will snap like a toothpick.
What would you be doing? Prying open an engine?
@@JuanRamirez-bj6qe nope but for 400 you don't want a knife to look like a weakling like the infidel
I ended up with the Benchmade Mini Infidel. Got it for about $350 inclusive of tax and it's one of the coolest fidget toys I own. It does a great job and opening letters and cutting the tape down on boxes too 😂. One of the main reasons I got the BM is the grippy feel of the coating, great feeling in my hand, superior trigger location for me, and the symmetry. (compared to the MT). Don't get me wrong, the MT is a beautiful piece but for me the asymmetry was off putting and the glass breaker make the knife look cheap. It reminds me of the ugly helium escape valve on Omega Seamaster watches...just doesn't look right in comparison to a Rolex Sub.
@@eco8gator The glass breaker is a tool. They didn't do it for the looks.
The only scary part of this beautiful knives is the over pricing 😳🤣✌️🍺🇺🇸
Right. But also GO USA! (Irony)
@@metal_complex So True brother ✌️🇺🇸
The mechanisms in the benchmade is a nightmare to service. Mine wasn’t firing properly due to pocket lint I guess(it looked fairly clean when I opened it). There are a total of six left springs that gave me a hell of a time to reset. I know it may take a while getting your knife back, but in my opinion take advantage of their warranty, plus the knife comes back razor sharp.
Actually microtech will fix anything you acrew up but they do charge for it. So say you sharpen your microtech and you don't do it right and screw the blade up, they will replace the blade but your going to pay for it.
Combat troodon very good. I love microtech. I come from Thailand.🙏🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭👏💯💯💯
Griptilian?
Cool! I'm afraid I'll pass on both... I don't need speed when I need a knife, I have 2 folders that work just fine. These are cool though. Thanks.
Oh if I spend that much on a knife I better get a nurse too!😂😂
This fancy blade with holes looks like pain in the a.. when You EDC this knife and even the small debris can jam Your knife. And Microtechs are not especially debris friendly knives.
Totally illegal in Canada, unfortunately. 😭
really 😳?
@@temoaguil1830 yes, automatic knives are considered a weapon in Canada, not allowed at all.
I would never use an OTF in a tactical role.
Where is the griptilian?
As a REALLY well trained knife fighter ( I began my training when I was only 5 years old, as my both parents were Military and had a huge experience as they fight during very deadly wars : mom fight in Indochina and in Algeria and dad fight in Vietnam ( He was French but lived in USA from 1944 to 1974, I should say 1969 as he was in Vietnam from 1969 to 1974 ).
My both parents wanted me to be ready to fight as they thought that a WW 3
was coming, and they began by training me to Close Combat .
So, as I want a knife to be a good fighting knife, I prefer the Benchmade because a double edged blade is always more effective, and even if I have 2 Benchmade infidel, I always prefer to have a fixed blade with me, more effective, more silent ( a good knife fighter never ever let his enemies to know he carry a knife until he stabs, and All OTF are pretty noisy, and a very typical noise, so a fixed blade is far more easy to use silently !
The combat troodon also has a double edged variant.
AL, you are obviously a genuine badass and have forgotten more about knife fighting than I will ever know, but most of don't carry OTFs for combat. We carry them so that we can pretend we're John Wick while we open a box or slice a piece of cheese. Still, respect for you brother!
I find it kind of ridiculous these knives are only sold to law enforcement or military when LEO academies don’t train or certify on the usage of knives. Straight up Police states.
I live in Texas ,I can have grenades mailed to me bro 😳🤣✌️🍺🇺🇸
What's OTF?
Out the front
MICROTECH ALL DAY! BEST AUTO'S ON THE MARKET..!! LOVE MINES! INFIDELS ARE THE UGLIEST AUTOS TO ME...THEY NEED TO REDESIGN THEM FAST!! NEVER LIKED UM...
Infidel just way cooler looking. Never thought any OTF with the boxy shape and switch on the side was near as cool-they all look like cheapies from gun shows.
Microtech Dirac Delta.
@@metal_complex ok that looks good 👍🏼
Am I the only one that sees the nutsack at the base of the blade on the infidel
Buy it from out of the country or on eBay and you can order it anywhere lol
Benchmade = classy
Microtech = gas station
Lol
So you’re saying when you overpaid for this knife you now understand Benchmade Bugout owners and why they sell so well? 😂😂😂. Kidding of course! I say this in total jest!
Ha! You failed the infidel into the paper and not yours😂😂😂👊🏽
Anyone who wears their sisters jeans.....shouldn't carry anything except for a purse also.
Ultratech fires better than combat troodon
I disagree. I've reviewed and handled multiple versions of both.
Subjective I know, but that MC is just ugly. But I’m a sucker for symmetry so I picked up the infidel. On sale of course!
I just don't understand why microtech doesn't make more hellhound blade..It sold out everywhere why make all these blades that no one buys..They seriously need to take a few months and only produce hellhound blade..
Love the free state of kansas
I"m still punishing benchmade. I wouldn't buy that ugly POS anyway. I do have a MT CT and it's an absolute beast!!
If a law is unjust you shouldn’t follow it said MLK.
You'll care when they come after your livelihood. Just sayin', cause it only takes good men to do nothing for evil to prosper.
No thanks. Take it somewhere else.
@@metal_complexpussy
Man that's 29 minutes and 44 seconds of my life I'll never get back! GEEZUS!
Thirty minutes of spewing word salad to ultimately justify the one you're in love with at the moment. I really don't care about whether the button wiggles, or whether the blade has some play - that's for the internet commandos. The review I expected to see...HOPED to see, was a SBS comparison of the internal action...not hear a 30 minute diatribe about how complicated it is to take apart, when a trained monkey can take one apart and put it back together for a banana!
Then if you know all this and its so easy why did you need the video. You probably don't even own one. Talking about internet commandos when that's spot on what you are. Skim over the video next time instead of whining about it.
Buy a Microtech!!!!! The End!!
🤠👍🇺🇸⭐️. B9USA Sr.