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People saying All The Pistons are bitter about losing to The Bulls. John Salley doesn't sound bitter whatsoever. Dude was keeping it real as f**k. & he's a good businessman. I didn't know Salley negotiated his own contracts. Now That's what I'm talking about!
Shaquille Wilkins nah just straight up opinion you will have someone who thinks Lebron is better than Jordan that's their opinion you can't say it's wrong because they probably grew up seeing Lebron dominate the league like people did in Jordans era it's all opinion based
No matter what John says, I felt the way I felt about Jordan because of the way he played. Basketball was at back in the 90s. Michael would abuse this guy's. There was nothing like heading into the fourth quarter and watching MJ take over the game if they were behind. When MJ hit that switch to get into another gear was just beautiful to watch.
Chuck Daly was one of THE GREATEST COACHES EVER. Daly had those Bad Boy Pistons whipping AZZ. They stopped Jordan, eventually beat The Celtics, then beat The Magic led Showtime Lakers. Other than Isaiah and the underrated Dumars, there were no big "stars" on that Bad Boy Chuck Daly team.
@@williamdillard5060they were truly a TEAM. They were really deep, deeper than the Celtics or the Lakers or the Bulls. Vinnie Johnson would have started on half the teams in the NBA and their first nine guys were definitely quality rotation players.
Salley always downplays Micheals's greatness. Mike doesn't like this guy and in return Salley likewise. Why would anyone listen to a terrible player like John Salley speak about the greatest player Mike Jordan? This is like a Honda accord trying to compare itself to a Ferrari.
@@kevinaraujo4945 What do you mean they don't like each other? Jordan and Salley have been good friends since college. Very few guys know Jordan better than Salley. You don't know what you're talking about.
John's choices are right on. As much as I love Larry Bird, Wilt, Kareem, Oscar Robertson, Magic, I would still vote for MJ. I am old enough to have watched Bill Russell, and I might put him number two.
9:30-10:53 -- all things considered, this was astute business sense, exercised on John's behalf -- it reminds me of the popular Business Quote, in which I'll paraphrase: "In Business, as in Life, you don't {always} get what you deserve -- you get what you negotiate."
One thing I noticed about former “Bad Boy” Pistons is they always downplay Michael Jordan while at the same time worshipping those 1980s Celtics teams. I see it here where Salley puts Larry Bird in his all time top five (which I agree with btw) as well as seeing Isiah Thomas drool while speaking of Larry Bird and Kevin McHale on NBA TV whenever he gets the chance. Those former Pistons do NOT respect Michael Jordan. They have nothing but love and respect for Larry Bird though.
It's dum people like you that make the world stupid John Salley average 7 points a game in his career and people hang on his statements like he was some superstar
@@jaygrover4544 The people he named was the people he looked up to, his heroes. Jordan was his colleague. You may call him bias, but there's always a bias when you talk about best players, teams, etc. This happens in every sport, not just basketball. The stats might be there, but in the end you vote based on subjectivity. The stats are there to justify your subjectivity. Simply put, MJ didn't give him the wow factor that his heroes gave him when Salley was growing up to be a basketball player.
Memo to John Salley: Robert Parish, then 43 but still in remarkable shape did not play nine games and " Quit." He was with the team for the whole season and deserved the salary he got, since he is one of the 50 greatest players ever. He retired at 44, not quit, and you're not even in the same class as the Chief.
@@arcticwater3206 If I read your statement correctly, you are saying John Salley cannot make his own top five unless he adds MJ to his list? "smh" Just another 'my way or nothing" statement on the internet.
@@SvenJT if you're talking about his top five versus the factual top five and actual things that people accomplish in the league, it's two separate things! So he can have his so-called opinion, but what John is saying he kno damn well Michael Jordan is ALWAYS the best basketball player that's argued about
@@SvenJT nobody should be saying with the street, both face that Michael Jordan does not in the top five in basketball! some people just have dumb opinions sometimes, like John salley saying Jordan's not in the top five! You can't find NOBODY ELSE in the world that wiould say what John salley said!
@Kyle Snyder Ummmmm you're talking about his basketball skills. ????🙈 I don't think what I said had nothing to do with his basketball skills. You just went way way left 🙈🙊🙉
John Salley is a bum he couldn't even hold me only made it cuz he was 7 ft.. average by seven points a game to rebound sit on the bench most of his career straight garbage shut up
The NBA marketed MJ as the GOAT, it's only a coincidence that his stats back it up. It's only a coincidence that Bird and Magic and players on his top 5 say that Jordan is the best ever.
Stats say Wilt, end of story. Wilt asked Jordan, would you like to put some money on that, when Jordan said he could beat Wilt 1 on 1, Jordan didn't respond and Bill Russell laughed, a 60 yr old Wilt could beat a 40 yr old Jordan. The NBA turned racist in the 90's, Wilt acted too white for them. Black supremacism is flagrant with today's players. Wilt conquered racism, he was not given his due respect from the 90's on. Today we have egotistical brats who don't think they are treated well enough.
Look in the mirror, Sir. You enjoy telling me to shut up, it makes you feel superior. Beyonce's husband is the high lord of black supremacism. Not most blacks, just the new crop all over T.V. Stephen A Smith is a typical black supremacist. I can feel your disease, and don't worry I can feel white supremacism too, when I hear it.
Intelligent interview that outlines the historical contributions of the greatest legends to ever lace the shoes up. Who is usually the consensus on the all time list? It changes with every current and former NBA Player in using a specific criteria. I agree with John Salley's exclusion of Michael Jordan.
I'm with Salley for the fact that in his era and who he watched and got his game from, he is entitled to state who he feels impressed him the most. Jordan was after these guys. You can't expect him to knock these guys down if he has Jordan as a 6th constituent.
When he said he fought Bruce Lee almost spilled my coffee. I'm a baller since 1962 grew up latino in Brooklyn projects shooting hoops with the brothers. I played hs and college hoops I'm 5'7" 140lbs ! Thank you Sifu Bruce Lee, Bed Stuy Do or Die, I survived. Now 62 semi retired I'm a MMA teacher. Blessing
@@ronaldcole6101 but he was losing. Simple as that. Lebron no matter what the teams did good. Larry bird goes to a losing record celtics and won 60 games. Jordan is a great PLAYER.. But id rather have Lebron or Bird on my team. Oh and btw Jordan never best Bird in a playoff series.
He didnt start winning until he had a really good supporting cast, the best coach in the league, and the pistons, celtics and lakers grest teams were a thing of the past. There are many players throughout histpry that couldve won 6 titles in place of jordan.
you can argue that mj isn’t the greatest of all time but you can’t tell me he isn’t top 5😐 they had a book on how to stop him & he still ended up dismantling the bad boys smh
MJ caused him and his Pistons to create the Jordan rules. He has to be in his top 5. Bird and Jordan were the only two players to create havoc for them
Darren Johnson every players has rules set for them. The Spurs had rules for LeBron. The Pistons had rules for Kobe. The Cavs had rules for Curry. I guess every great player is top 5 then dummy. MJ overrated
Steph Curry The G.O.A.T That’s cute. I am from Chicago. So I am biased. However, their rules was double team and beat them in felony like fashion. Kobe came the closet to that and it wasn’t even close. I like Salley, but a lot of it is pride and not respecting the Bulls. Say what you want he outworked and was “hands down” better than other players PERIOD He ain’t gotta be top 4, but 5? I gotta see the list and error because I didn’t watch the video
Im a MJ fan but he's been put into God statues by alot of ppl. Isaiah Thomas said "The Jordan Rules" has been a way blown out of proportion. He said they had a defensive scheme for everyone Magic, Bird, Kareem etc.
All I'm going to say is everyone of those top 5 top 6 he named has a legitimate argument to be the goat. That is no offense to jordan because he also has a legit case. I'm a Larry bird guy and I don't 100% know he is the best but if I had to pick one player to build my team around Bird would be my guy.
Man you smoking crack Larry Legend with all that damn good he was the best white boy to hit the league but in my opinion I think Kiki was better than Larry Bird
Robert Harrison Sr lol I don't know how you come to that conclusion. He was less in points, rebounds, steals, blocks, assists, long range and free throw percentage not to mention not as clutch. You're entitled to your opinion. I just don't get it
@@robertharrisonsr955 Bird really ran the Boston offense. He made everyone on the team better. He purposely focused on all aspects of the game like rebounds, steals, and assists. He did not go out there every night to score as many points as possible. He did wan to take the shot when the game was on the line and was feared around the league for making it.
Those are two different issues..... Best player or player to build a team around. The first guy I'd pick to build my team around would probably be Pippen, because there has never been a better player so eager to do all the dirty work and get none of the acclaim. Put any other great offensive player next to Pipp, and they win just as many Championships. That's not a slight against Jordan, who IS the GOAT. But the step down from Jordan to other options isn't near as big as the step down from Pippen to anyone else who could do what all he did.
@@MiKen877 first off hats off to you. I like comments that are thought out by someone that knows basketball. Pippen is not one of my all time favorites but i agree with what you said. That being said there are two that i would pick over Pippen for the same reason and then some. Bird and or Russell. What you said about Pippen would go for both of these guys and they both knew the game so well. Very high IQ's. Thank you for you're comment.
I know a lot of people are going to dislike my comment ,but John Salley is speaking facts.Jordan was branded brilliantly, but there were plenty of players that could and did shut him down, and made him look average at times.
The thing that grabs me about this interview is that if players knew MJ’s tendencies about how many dribbles before switching hands etc they still could not stop him. So what’s that say to his greatness? I know his patterns but he is still killing us.😂😂😂
@@DeeSTAR but the 1 win against them in the playoffs ended the Pistons run. They didn’t win anything else after MJ won his first chip during the rest of his playing career. 🤷♂️
@@hitek9too255 so to that i would tell you to go look up Jordan’s teammates his first 3 seasons in the league. Most people never even heard of those dudes. No all stars or HOFERS on those teams…zero. Pippen came year 4 and only averaged 7.9 points a game his rookie year. The point is it takes time to build up a team to make them a contender. MJ still dragged bums to the playoffs in those early years. Not even Isiah did that when he first got in the league. He had to wait until he got competent players before they made deep runs in the playoffs. Magic won early because he was fortunate to be put on a great TEAM his rookie season. Bird had very good teammates early on as well. MJ had bums early on and that is the difference. 🤷♂️
Tecmo super nba basketball & nba showdown were the only 90's games that actually had MJ in it and that was 93 his likeness wasn't used again until nba live 2000 and every other game afterwards
John Salley could make a point if what he is saying actually made sense. To many facts to dispute all in one setting I’ll counter his argument with just a few facts. 1. He takes pride in saying how the pistons stopped MJ and the Bulls in 88,89,90! Here’s the thing The Bulls dethroned the pistons but did the pistons ever dethrone the bulls and at what time did MJ’s Bulls ever get swept by the pistons but the pistons got swept but the Bulls so this point is moot, but what isn’t is once mike got past the piston they never looked back and the pistons could never get back because of the roadblock Chicago became to them! 2. Bill Russell’s 11 rings. Sounds great but he got 11 rings in a league with 14 teams and at the time he was one of four big men over 6’8”. Mike got 6 in a league with 30 teams talk about the competitiveness of the league at this point verses when Bill played. 3. 3 Mike has 6 NBA championships 6 finals MVPs (undefeated in finals play) 10x NBA scoring champion Lead the league 3x in steals 9x first team defensive 10x all-star 5 league MVPs 1 Defensive Player of the year Now compare Russell, magic, Kareem, West resume to Mikes it falls short....note Kareem is the leagues all time scorer but he played 20 years Mike only played 15 4. The ridiculous nonsense that stern used mike and made him the face of the NBA. Well who else was doing what mike was doing in this time frame that could have been used? I don’t think Salley for one could have filled the role so it’s not about just putting someone in the spotlight it’s about earning the spot in the light and mike did that. To sum up everything to me it just seems as if Salley is a Mike hater. I’ve heard better arguments made for Lebron being the G.O.A.T than the foolery he just spoke. At the end of the day it is his opinion.
@Joel Villarreal Thank you Joel his argument about less competitive makes no sense as there were fewer players thus tougher competition. Also even though there were fewer big men you did have Wilt Chamberlain and Nate Thurmond. Chamberlain was the greatest offensive big man of all time and Thurmond was an amazing bballplayer. If mere numbers are so important to you Ben why don't you talk about Chamberlain who averaged the same per game in his career as Jordan and 22.9 rebounds a game for his career. Why don't you talk about the Big O who averaged a triple double for an entire year with 12.5 rebounds 11.4 assists and 30.8 points per game in 1961-62. Oh thats right those were the years Russell was facing a water downed league
Kareem is the real GOAT but the media in america is islamophobic. That's the real truth. Kareem has more career assists than Jordan, with the same rings, more college championships, & he stood up for Black Civil Rights. Selling shoes don't make you the GOAT.
Vo Kendrick he’s overstating his worth. He played in 5 minutes per game that season with the bulls and was like the 10th man on that squad. That’s why they didn’t pay him.
Joe Schmo No he's not. It's like finding a collectable in a trash can. It's not worth $0 cuz it's in the trash can, it's worth how much you sell it for. He got 3 million in Europe, that's how much he's worth, not the $300,000 The Bulls wanted. He was right for asking the Bulls for $3 mil cuz that's what he got AND that's how much they paid old ass Robert Parish.
Salley’s like a lot of old school heads. He puts guys in his top five that he remembers from his youth. A lot of older fans are guilty of doing the same thing. I know a guy who swears up and down that Oscar Robertson was the greatest player of all time. You can’t convince him otherwise. If I tell him that Jordan’s the greatest ever, he just laughs and says, “You never saw Oscar Robertson play...”.
Oscar is arguably one of the greatest of all time. And you didn’t watch him. But you can pull up footage on him, we are on TH-cam? And stop making it old vs young. It’s more like Informed vs. uninformed.
If you never saw Wilt, or Oscar or Jerry West play how can you compare them? Us old folks saw them and then we saw Jordan, so we know what you don't know.
I think I watched this a long time ago, but never commented. Major props to John Salley for a thoughtful, honest, and simply "as-it-is" take on the NBA. Good interview. Much respect to Salley.
justafanintexas True, he only won two championships, BUT you can't weigh number of championships o heavily...if you go off that, Bill Russell is the best going off your diss for him only having his Back 2 Back titles.
Celtics fan here, so yea a bit of a homer. Larry Bird IMO is the best ALL-AROUND player to ever lace 'em up. He did it all. HOWEVER, I can't say he's the best b/c of his short window of greatness. Watch his highlight plays and you stack them up with the greats. You decide.
Larry Bird was the best all around basketball player skill wise and mentally. If he was as physically gifted as all the others in the GOAT debate it would not even be close
Great interview and conversation! I wasn’t aware how articulate and well spoken John Sally was-very well informed! I enjoyed his insights but I would always pick Michael Jordan over any player back then and today.
Go to around the 4 minuets mark.. The fact that your whole team had to pay that much attention to MJ’s every move shows how much you really think of mj lol. I mean obviously teams pay attention to things but damn bro that was SPECIFIC
Steve Jobs they never did this for Wilt? Loooooool are you serious? You think MJ was harder guarded then Wilt? They just couldn’t stop Wilt so they changed the whole rules of game because he was too dominant! They changed the rules to make Jordan more dominant because they stopped him! Never forget that...
At the end of the day, everyone loves greatness and dominance. I watched mikes entire career. We love finishers....dominance....will....appeal....and yes, swag! Jordan encompassed all! This will always sell globally. Championship success doesn't hurt
John Salley would start on my team anyday. He Mentioned one of my favorite players! Bernard King! This is my allstar lineup of all time. Jabar, Russell, Chamberlin on the inside and Majic Johnson at point, and Bird at shooting guard! That’s my opinion. There were so many good players through the years that it would be hard to make the call who is gonna start.
Salley downplaying Jordan is laughable. And him thinking Jordan doesn’t know he was the best to ever do it makes me think he rlly doesn’t know Jordan. Salley couldn’t stop Jordan once out of 100 times . Nobody has ever played to the level that Michael Jordan played.
THis dude & the Pistons were allowed to hack players. And he thinks that was skill? Just because it took 3-4 goons to stop Jordan doesn't mean he's not the GOAT. THere is no player who did better against the Pistons than Jordan. So, I don't get his POV. THey didn't play basketball, they were playing football w/ very limited skilled goons like Laimbeer, Mahorn, himself.
Back to back champs tells me the Pistons were anything but 'a bunch of goons'. In the long run, MJ may have done better against the Pistons than anyone else but that isn't saying much. Against Detroit's Bad Boys, Jordan's 30 ppg dropped to 24 ppg. Look it up.
It doesn't even mean that he changed his mind. He still views MJ as one of the greatest but he has to give credit to the pioneers. He played with/against MJ
@@rojaynazir1668 But now since the Documentary he's saying saying he's the greatest can't trust what he says a lie is still a lie and truth is truth can't trust him
He wanted higher than the league minimum after the 95-96 season but his stats were that of a league minimum player. For the Bulls that season, he averaged 2.1 points, 2.5 rebounds, and 0.9 assists while shooting 34% from the field. Why would he not take the minimum? He would have won 2 more rings if he would have stayed with the Bulls. Those titles would have translated to much more than 350k. He could have been a SIX time champ. Also, why is he comparing himself to Robert Parish???? Parish is a Hall of Famer.
This dude lost all credibility by putting Jerry West over Michael Jordan. He didn't even get to watch him or Russell play. Not to mention that Magic and Bird themselves stated that Michael was the greatest ever.
You missed one of the key points he explained. The league bent over backwards and turned Jordan into the Golden boy. That's why there's many vets and superstar players that are not really impressed by his accomplishments. Unlike most players, Jordan had most of his stuff handed to him or easier in his favor to win. And it all started after he won his two championships.
But it took him 7 years to get that first championship because his team was not good enough to be a prime Lakers team, a prime Celtics team or a prime Pistons team. When those teams aged his Bulls feasted off of a mediocre league.
Jordan vs Bird, on NES... The first basketball game I got for my Nintendo, in 1988... Then in 1992, it was Tecmo NBA Basketball, the first fully licensed game, with 12 players on each team, all 27 teams (at that time) and league approval
duckrockerz4life, That's all fine and good but that was for the ECF not SHIPS. And the bad boys won back to back. that's been done by several teams. the Bulls became a dynasty. So yeah salty. The Bulls banished the bad boys to nba hell after the sweep in 91. And the bad boys were never heard from again.
@@doubled4572 salley played with mj how he salty, he won a ring with mj, he loves the guy. But im with Stephen A, why should they be salty they spanked bulls every year and if it wasnt for age with injuries they probably going to the finals again in 91.
Duckrockerz4life, I think you mean Salkey sat on the end of the bench, and gravy trained to a ring with the Bulls right? Lol And he's salty becuz no gives the bad boys their due? But big deal they won two titles? Nothing special about that? It's been done before is all? And spanked the Bulls? I think you mean they beat them in closely contested series that went 6 and 7 games? But nice revisionist history on your part lol . And you are letting you millienial ignorance show through? The Pistons WERE NOT old or injured Isaiah Thomas 29, Joe Dumas 27, Rodman 29, Laimbeer 33, James Edwards 35 average age 30.6????? That's old huh? The three biggest stars were all under 30? Nice bs excuse you tired to use, but you failed miserably. Don't worry not the first time I heard that lame excuse. And btw NO ONE was injured either!! You see I actually watched these games unlike you. And yeah you're right the Pistons would have went to the finals in 91, but..... oh yeah the Bulls swept their asses! Lol now that was a spanking! Uninformed one! Lol And then the classless bad boys walked off the floor ( right by the Bulls bench) before the game was over. Led by MJ hater #1 Isaiah Thomas.
Sally has always wanted the attention he never got. As a player, I believe he thought he was better than he was. Nothing wrong with it, confidence is a good thing, however, self awareness is important. Plus, as a Piston, Michael was the reason the Piston stopped winning.
you are upside down ASSHOLE. The reason SHITcago started winning was cause DETROIT, lakers and boston got OLDER. Even had to admit a PISTON between them
I believe Jordan teammates hate the fact that media portrays Jordan as the main reason why he won 6 championships. But I believe that there are more than 1 big reason: 1)Phil Jackon, 2)Scottie Pippen, 3)Dennis Rodman, 4) The bulls were the best team by far, a superteam hands down. Without Jordan they were still championship contenders. 5) The bulls had no threat, no more bad boy pistons, magic and kareem lakers, no more larry bird, which was pretty much jordan´s daddy, even MJ admitted that. Its like Bill Russell rest in peace goat, said: Oh Im the goat, fuck my teammates, when in reality the 60´s celtics was the most unstoppable superteam ever. So thats the thing MJ was the best but he played along the best against low caliber teams. When the 2004 pistons beat the lakers, thats david v goliath, the same when lebron beats the spurs or the 73-9 warriors. Jordan didnt beat no all time team, he is the reason for me loving basketball but I wont deny reality. Prime Jerry West or Wilt Chamberlain on that 90´s bulls win 10 championships.
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djvlad upload the video in full man.
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djvlad Clearly John Salley is stuck on stupid! MJ is the 🐐 even got his bumazz a ring! GTFOH
@Joe Cool he did. You are are correct. Personally I don't know that he's the best but he is the best 2 guard of all time by far
@@bosshova23 did mj get sally a ring or did sally help mj when one? Sally won 2 at Detroit before mj and one at the Lakers after mj.
Salley is a really bright guy, I love hearing what he has to say.
He is 1000% right, Jordan isn’t the only one with that mentality. Every great player has/had that same mentality
John Salley had always had a great sense of humor. Looks like it was a good interview
I respect John Salley as a man. He is intelligent, articulent and seems to be a fair and honest human being as well as a really tough player .........
Wow I learned a whole lot from basketball greats thanks to this guy. Sally is a great guest
People saying All The Pistons are bitter about losing to The Bulls. John Salley doesn't sound bitter whatsoever. Dude was keeping it real as f**k.
& he's a good businessman. I didn't know Salley negotiated his own contracts. Now That's what I'm talking about!
The whole greatest of all time thing is opinion based
G Fazo so true
It's opinion biased when you Base it off stats and awards. Gotta go by pure talent.
Shaquille Wilkins nah just straight up opinion you will have someone who thinks Lebron is better than Jordan that's their opinion you can't say it's wrong because they probably grew up seeing Lebron dominate the league like people did in Jordans era it's all opinion based
Shaquille Wilkins Gotta go by pure SKILL, MENTALITY, Hard work and dedication
G Fazo #Truth
No matter what John says, I felt the way I felt about Jordan because of the way he played. Basketball was at back in the 90s. Michael would abuse this guy's. There was nothing like heading into the fourth quarter and watching MJ take over the game if they were behind. When MJ hit that switch to get into another gear was just beautiful to watch.
wow the older jb smooth gets the more he looks like John salley lol
Couldn’t tell the difference for a long time.
Jb and Sally both are 54
I swear on everything I thought they were the same person for a second
He was trash also.mchale and Parrish carried his ass.
I could listen to John Salley talk all day.
Well hang on YT for a while. He loves to talk as well. And is on many podcasts
Chuck Daly had a group of many different types of players to coach , and pulled it together !
Chuck Daly was one of THE GREATEST COACHES EVER. Daly had those Bad Boy Pistons whipping AZZ. They stopped Jordan, eventually beat The Celtics, then beat The Magic led Showtime Lakers. Other than Isaiah and the underrated Dumars, there were no big "stars" on that Bad Boy Chuck Daly team.
@@williamdillard5060they were truly a TEAM. They were really deep, deeper than the Celtics or the Lakers or the Bulls. Vinnie Johnson would have started on half the teams in the NBA and their first nine guys were definitely quality rotation players.
I don't fully agree his opinions on MJ, but I respect him for his intelligence for carrying his line of reasoning.
What a great talk session. I really enjoyed that.
Long tall is a great nickname and fits Salley perfectly
Couldn’t understand if he has saying “long talk” bc he seems like a long talker…but your explanation makes sense. Thank you!
When players tell the truth about those times, being in those locker rooms, being in those film studies. It's a great thing
He's talking sense to me. Marketing is a powerful thing.
Money always matters!
Growing up a Celtics fan I rooted against Sally regularly. This is one of the most thoughtful and insightful interviews ever. Wow.
1) Magic
2) Bird
3) Kareem
4) Russell
5) Wilt
I wouldn’t put Michael Jordan in my top five either!
That's just dumb
Anyone putting 4 players ahead of wilt chamberlain needs their heads examined!
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Absolutely fascinating hearing his breakdown on Michael Jordan.
Salley always downplays Micheals's greatness. Mike doesn't like this guy and in return Salley likewise. Why would anyone listen to a terrible player like John Salley speak about the greatest player Mike Jordan? This is like a Honda accord trying to compare itself to a Ferrari.
@@kevinaraujo4945 You got that right.
@@kevinaraujo4945 Salley was a good player and played on some of the greatest teams in history. The guys earn the right to be heard.
@@edgarsamuelhernandez288 earns the right to shut the fuck up. Valley is a mess. Look at his face he wants to cry everytime he speaks .
@@kevinaraujo4945 What do you mean they don't like each other? Jordan and Salley have been good friends since college. Very few guys know Jordan better than Salley. You don't know what you're talking about.
John Sally is a Smart Man! Much respect to, one of the original Bad Boys!...... February 19, 2018
My top 5:
Uncle ben
Aunt jemima
Tony the Tiger
Toucan Sam
Sara Lee
Honorable Mention: Sweet Baby Ray and King Vitamin
let's not forget Freckle Face Strawberry, Chinese Cherry, Loud Mouth Lime and Injun Orange
Awesome take Autumn.
I agree......but switch Sara Lee out for my homegirl Lil Debbie
Captain crunch
lol
John Salley is 1 of best interviews, he bought his rights
This interviewer is great. Let’s John talk.
John's choices are right on. As much as I love Larry Bird, Wilt, Kareem, Oscar Robertson, Magic, I would still vote for MJ. I am old enough to have watched Bill Russell, and I might put him number two.
Oh man, Salley is such a fine fellow -- smart, polite, thoughtful, funny.
His eloquence is admirable.
9:30-10:53 -- all things considered, this was astute business sense, exercised on John's behalf -- it reminds me of the popular Business Quote, in which I'll paraphrase: "In Business, as in Life, you don't {always} get what you deserve -- you get what you negotiate."
SATCHELL3000 it was Sharpe and he made me understand that these players have no clue about there own power
One thing I noticed about former “Bad Boy” Pistons is they always downplay Michael Jordan while at the same time worshipping those 1980s Celtics teams.
I see it here where Salley puts Larry Bird in his all time top five (which I agree with btw) as well as seeing Isiah Thomas drool while speaking of Larry Bird and Kevin McHale on NBA TV whenever he gets the chance.
Those former Pistons do NOT respect Michael Jordan. They have nothing but love and respect for Larry Bird though.
They basically are enemies bro. The bad boys and the bulls hate each others
He needed bad boy DNA to win 2nd 3-peat?????
@Harold Melvin
FACTS
Facts
The 86 Celtics were the greatest team ever. The Celtics were so tough in the 80's
John Sally is a smart guy, he well articulated his choice of all times top 5.
Don Oldwell his defense for jerry west and dr J over MJ was a joke
It's dum people like you that make the world stupid John Salley average 7 points a game in his career and people hang on his statements like he was some superstar
Dan Darling I think it’s people that can’t spell the word dumb...
@@jaygrover4544 The people he named was the people he looked up to, his heroes. Jordan was his colleague. You may call him bias, but there's always a bias when you talk about best players, teams, etc. This happens in every sport, not just basketball. The stats might be there, but in the end you vote based on subjectivity. The stats are there to justify your subjectivity. Simply put, MJ didn't give him the wow factor that his heroes gave him when Salley was growing up to be a basketball player.
@@jaygrover4544 dude jerry west is the NBA fool
All facts by John Salley. All Facts
Nonsense. Do you really think Jerry West is a better player than Michael Jordan just because West is the NBA logo? Even West himself disagreed.
Opinion or not nobody is putting Jerry West over Mike stop it
Learn the difference between greatest and best.
Yea 1-9 in the Finals Jerry West....he's the Goat 😂
Not even close! Ignorant to even think that
They played defense when Jerry West played
Memo to John Salley: Robert Parish, then 43 but still in remarkable shape did not play nine games and " Quit." He was with the team for the whole season and deserved the salary he got, since he is one of the 50 greatest players ever. He retired at 44, not quit, and you're not even in the same class as the Chief.
I usually agree with a LOT of things that John salley says, but to say Michael Jordan is NOT in the top five is def NOT factual
@@arcticwater3206 If I read your statement correctly, you are saying John Salley cannot make his own top five unless he adds MJ to his list? "smh" Just another 'my way or nothing" statement on the internet.
@@SvenJT if you're talking about his top five versus the factual top five and actual things that people accomplish in the league, it's two separate things! So he can have his so-called opinion, but what John is saying he kno damn well Michael Jordan is ALWAYS the best basketball player that's argued about
@@SvenJT nobody should be saying with the street, both face that Michael Jordan does not in the top five in basketball! some people just have dumb opinions sometimes, like John salley saying Jordan's not in the top five! You can't find NOBODY ELSE in the world that wiould say what John salley said!
@@arcticwater3206 Factual top five? By what metric defines this? Actual accomplishing things is not factual? I'm confused.
John Salley should be a sports agent. Good interview Vlad, just now seeing this..
@Kyle Snyder Ummmmm you're talking about his basketball skills. ????🙈 I don't think what I said had nothing to do with his basketball skills. You just went way way left 🙈🙊🙉
@Kyle Snyder WOW, a whole paragraph. Lol
There's no bulshit to John Salley, the man speaks the truth. How I wish he played for the Celtics ( from Rookie to retirement ).
I am not sure if his chemistry would have been as good as it was with Pistons. But still a good idea.
John Salley is a bum he couldn't even hold me only made it cuz he was 7 ft.. average by seven points a game to rebound sit on the bench most of his career straight garbage shut up
Mr Clean Some bullshit. For example, Robert Parish played 43 games with the 97 Bulls, not nine as Sally suggested.
The NBA marketed MJ as the GOAT, it's only a coincidence that his stats back it up. It's only a coincidence that Bird and Magic and players on his top 5 say that Jordan is the best ever.
Ur on crack. Foh
@@2_2_4_3 truth hurts
Stats say Wilt, end of story.
Wilt asked Jordan, would you like to put some money on that, when Jordan said he could beat Wilt 1 on 1, Jordan didn't respond and Bill Russell laughed, a 60 yr old Wilt could beat a 40 yr old Jordan.
The NBA turned racist in the 90's, Wilt acted too white for them.
Black supremacism is flagrant with today's players.
Wilt conquered racism, he was not given his due respect from the 90's on.
Today we have egotistical brats who don't think they are treated well enough.
@@vincentbruce9833 stfu.
No such thing as a black supremacist.
Look in the mirror, Sir.
You enjoy telling me to shut up, it makes you feel superior.
Beyonce's husband is the high lord of black supremacism.
Not most blacks, just the new crop all over T.V.
Stephen A Smith is a typical black supremacist.
I can feel your disease, and don't worry I can feel white supremacism too, when I hear it.
Intelligent interview that outlines the historical contributions of the greatest legends to ever lace the shoes up. Who is usually the consensus on the all time list? It changes with every current and former NBA Player in using a specific criteria. I agree with John Salley's exclusion of Michael Jordan.
He's a bad boy piston through and through they tend not show too much love to Jordan
Bill lambier said Lebron was better than Jordan so did Isaiah
New Royal. They knew all his moves and stopped him....soooo
Joe said he thought mj is the GOAT.
Except rodman
New Royal. True indeed
I'm with Salley for the fact that in his era and who he watched and got his game from, he is entitled to state who he feels impressed him the most. Jordan was after these guys. You can't expect him to knock these guys down if he has Jordan as a 6th constituent.
Ok but he said chuck Daley was a better coach than Phil. Phil got 7 more rings than chuck, so ima call bs. Especwhen he put bird over mj.
I love Salley’s interviews
This makes sense. Its like Vince needing a face in wrestling and he chose Hogan. Both Jordan and Hogan became "Babe Ruth" of their profession
Lol neither could carry babes jock no comparison.
so if everyone knew the moves Jordan would make on the court, how come they still couldn’t stop him? This guy is on crack
But they did stop him
They did stop him. Lol didn't you watch the last dance?
bro... go educate yourself😂🙄
Jordan lost to Sally many times before he became Air Jordan.
Sally and his team were why michael put on so much muscle. Watch the bad boys on 30 for 30. U will become a fan.
When he said he fought Bruce Lee almost spilled my coffee. I'm a baller since 1962 grew up latino in Brooklyn projects shooting hoops with the brothers. I played hs and college hoops I'm 5'7" 140lbs ! Thank you Sifu Bruce Lee, Bed Stuy Do or Die, I survived. Now 62 semi retired I'm a MMA teacher. Blessing
Jordan created the hype because of his play, and he lived up to it. Time and time again.
Larry Terry
Before he got a team, he was tearing the league up. Lebron 2003-2010? Shaq 1992-2000? I can go for days with this “argument”.
@@ronaldcole6101 but he was losing. Simple as that. Lebron no matter what the teams did good. Larry bird goes to a losing record celtics and won 60 games. Jordan is a great PLAYER.. But id rather have Lebron or Bird on my team. Oh and btw Jordan never best Bird in a playoff series.
Pippen made Jordan great. Jordan didn't face the same double teams because they couldn't leave Pippen.
@@ezekielmohammed4193 bird also refers to him as god disguised as a basketball player. Magic says he is the 🐐
He didnt start winning until he had a really good supporting cast, the best coach in the league, and the pistons, celtics and lakers grest teams were a thing of the past. There are many players throughout histpry that couldve won 6 titles in place of jordan.
you can argue that mj isn’t the greatest of all time but you can’t tell me he isn’t top 5😐 they had a book on how to stop him & he still ended up dismantling the bad boys smh
that’s faxx
I could listen to this guy talk all day.
MJ caused him and his Pistons to create the Jordan rules. He has to be in his top 5. Bird and Jordan were the only two players to create havoc for them
Darren Johnson every players has rules set for them. The Spurs had rules for LeBron. The Pistons had rules for Kobe. The Cavs had rules for Curry. I guess every great player is top 5 then dummy. MJ overrated
Steph Curry The G.O.A.T That’s cute. I am from Chicago. So I am biased. However, their rules was double team and beat them in felony like fashion. Kobe came the closet to that and it wasn’t even close. I like Salley, but a lot of it is pride and not respecting the Bulls. Say what you want he outworked and was “hands down” better than other players PERIOD He ain’t gotta be top 4, but 5? I gotta see the list and error because I didn’t watch the video
Also played and worked collegiately.
Im a MJ fan but he's been put into God statues by alot of ppl. Isaiah Thomas said "The Jordan Rules" has been a way blown out of proportion. He said they had a defensive scheme for everyone Magic, Bird, Kareem etc.
Darren Johnson they was not beaten him up. Get those 3 same ESPN clips they show all the time out of ur head
All I'm going to say is everyone of those top 5 top 6 he named has a legitimate argument to be the goat. That is no offense to jordan because he also has a legit case. I'm a Larry bird guy and I don't 100% know he is the best but if I had to pick one player to build my team around Bird would be my guy.
Man you smoking crack Larry Legend with all that damn good he was the best white boy to hit the league but in my opinion I think Kiki was better than Larry Bird
Robert Harrison Sr lol I don't know how you come to that conclusion. He was less in points, rebounds, steals, blocks, assists, long range and free throw percentage not to mention not as clutch. You're entitled to your opinion. I just don't get it
@@robertharrisonsr955 Bird really ran the Boston offense. He made everyone on the team better. He purposely focused on all aspects of the game like rebounds, steals, and assists. He did not go out there every night to score as many points as possible. He did wan to take the shot when the game was on the line and was feared around the league for making it.
Those are two different issues..... Best player or player to build a team around.
The first guy I'd pick to build my team around would probably be Pippen, because there has never been a better player so eager to do all the dirty work and get none of the acclaim. Put any other great offensive player next to Pipp, and they win just as many Championships.
That's not a slight against Jordan, who IS the GOAT. But the step down from Jordan to other options isn't near as big as the step down from Pippen to anyone else who could do what all he did.
@@MiKen877 first off hats off to you. I like comments that are thought out by someone that knows basketball. Pippen is not one of my all time favorites but i agree with what you said. That being said there are two that i would pick over Pippen for the same reason and then some. Bird and or Russell. What you said about Pippen would go for both of these guys and they both knew the game so well. Very high IQ's. Thank you for you're comment.
I know a lot of people are going to dislike my comment ,but John Salley is speaking facts.Jordan was branded brilliantly, but there were plenty of players that could and did shut him down, and made him look average at times.
Sometimes facts ain’t nice; but they are still facts!
The thing that grabs me about this interview is that if players knew MJ’s tendencies about how many dribbles before switching hands etc they still could not stop him. So what’s that say to his greatness? I know his patterns but he is still killing us.😂😂😂
You know MJ is 1-3 against the pistons right 😂
@@DeeSTAR but the 1 win against them in the playoffs ended the Pistons run. They didn’t win anything else after MJ won his first chip during the rest of his playing career. 🤷♂️
@@Placesandspaces35 Isiah Thomas had a career threatening injury and they were old. During their prime along with the Celtics, the Bulls won nothing.
@@hitek9too255 so to that i would tell you to go look up Jordan’s teammates his first 3 seasons in the league. Most people never even heard of those dudes. No all stars or HOFERS on those teams…zero. Pippen came year 4 and only averaged 7.9 points a game his rookie year. The point is it takes time to build up a team to make them a contender. MJ still dragged bums to the playoffs in those early years. Not even Isiah did that when he first got in the league. He had to wait until he got competent players before they made deep runs in the playoffs. Magic won early because he was fortunate to be put on a great TEAM his rookie season. Bird had very good teammates early on as well. MJ had bums early on and that is the difference. 🤷♂️
Thank you!
Michael jordan wasnt in video games until recently, He didnt allow his image to be used in games in the 90s
Jordan vs Bird
Tecmo super nba basketball & nba showdown were the only 90's games that actually had MJ in it and that was 93 his likeness wasn't used again until nba live 2000 and every other game afterwards
There's a game called Jordan vs Bird in early 90s.
@@demian215 Absolutely!
He was bulls vs blazers
He hit the nail on the head with a sledgehammer offers a very interesting perspective!
A sharp dude. If there's flies on this brother, they're payin rent.
Facts
John Salley could make a point if what he is saying actually made sense. To many facts to dispute all in one setting I’ll counter his argument with just a few facts.
1. He takes pride in saying how the pistons stopped MJ and the Bulls in 88,89,90!
Here’s the thing The Bulls dethroned the pistons but did the pistons ever dethrone the bulls and at what time did MJ’s Bulls ever get swept by the pistons but the pistons got swept but the Bulls so this point is moot, but what isn’t is once mike got past the piston they never looked back and the pistons could never get back because of the roadblock Chicago became to them!
2. Bill Russell’s 11 rings.
Sounds great but he got 11 rings in a league with 14 teams and at the time he was one of four big men over 6’8”. Mike got 6 in a league with 30 teams talk about the competitiveness of the league at this point verses when Bill played.
3. 3 Mike has 6 NBA championships
6 finals MVPs (undefeated in finals play)
10x NBA scoring champion
Lead the league 3x in steals
9x first team defensive
10x all-star
5 league MVPs
1 Defensive Player of the year
Now compare Russell, magic, Kareem, West resume to Mikes it falls short....note Kareem is the leagues all time scorer but he played 20 years Mike only played 15
4. The ridiculous nonsense that stern used mike and made him the face of the NBA. Well who else was doing what mike was doing in this time frame that could have been used? I don’t think Salley for one could have filled the role so it’s not about just putting someone in the spotlight it’s about earning the spot in the light and mike did that.
To sum up everything to me it just seems as if Salley is a Mike hater. I’ve heard better arguments made for Lebron being the G.O.A.T than the foolery he just spoke.
At the end of the day it is his opinion.
@Joel Villarreal Thank you Joel his argument about less competitive makes no sense as there were fewer players thus tougher competition. Also even though there were fewer big men you did have Wilt Chamberlain and Nate Thurmond. Chamberlain was the greatest offensive big man of all time and Thurmond was an amazing bballplayer. If mere numbers are so important to you Ben why don't you talk about Chamberlain who averaged the same per game in his career as Jordan and 22.9 rebounds a game for his career. Why don't you talk about the Big O who averaged a triple double for an entire year with 12.5 rebounds 11.4 assists and 30.8 points per game in 1961-62. Oh thats right those were the years Russell was facing a water downed league
Damn son. He Salley must have grind your gears!
Kareem is the real GOAT but the media in america is islamophobic. That's the real truth. Kareem has more career assists than Jordan, with the same rings, more college championships, & he stood up for Black Civil Rights. Selling shoes don't make you the GOAT.
I hope people paid attention to what he said about Stern.
Andre Jamison key
They didn’t. They just heard him say Jordan isn’t top 5, and started commenting on why Salley is a dumbass.
Andre Jamison ..... These kids are MOSTLY IDIOTS so ofcourse they do not pick up on it
Andre Jamison facts
#bingo
You knew it and still couldn’t stop him
Damn my brother, this video should be shown around the world. You are so right.
John Salley knew his worth.
Vo Kendrick he’s overstating his worth. He played in 5 minutes per game that season with the bulls and was like the 10th man on that squad. That’s why they didn’t pay him.
Joe Schmo
No he's not. It's like finding a collectable in a trash can. It's not worth $0 cuz it's in the trash can, it's worth how much you sell it for. He got 3 million in Europe, that's how much he's worth, not the $300,000 The Bulls wanted. He was right for asking the Bulls for $3 mil cuz that's what he got AND that's how much they paid old ass Robert Parish.
John Salley created his own narrative and didn't let the NBA dictate to him his value.
Salley’s like a lot of old school heads. He puts guys in his top five that he remembers from his youth. A lot of older fans are guilty of doing the same thing. I know a guy who swears up and down that Oscar Robertson was the greatest player of all time. You can’t convince him otherwise.
If I tell him that Jordan’s the greatest ever, he just laughs and says, “You never saw Oscar Robertson play...”.
sardonicus76 Oscar could be the greatest if all time you post shows your age and ignorance
I had Oscar as tenth all time till LeBron knocked him off.
Hi Sardonicus,I forgot the big 0.Oscar Robinson.
Oscar is arguably one of the greatest of all time. And you didn’t watch him. But you can pull up footage on him, we are on TH-cam? And stop making it old vs young. It’s more like Informed vs. uninformed.
If you never saw Wilt, or Oscar or Jerry West play how can you compare them? Us old folks saw them and then we saw Jordan, so we know what you don't know.
Bird and Magic made the NBA national. MJ and David Stern made the NBA global.
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Bruh one of the best interviews ever!
He laid out the plan, create your brand with this plan. Truth 1000 JS.
great, GREAT interview!
The pistons could not handle Bernard King. One of the best low post players ever!
Milton Lowe I really wish people would put more respect on his name that man was the TRUTH!!
My all time greatest Wilt Chamberlain,Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,Oscar Robertson,Julious Irving, Magic Johnson.
Great guy. Nice interview.
Michael just called Salley to give him back the ring...........
Reading these comments yall take this to serious
Christopher Bellamy everyone say what you feel no personal attacks though that's the best way
I think I watched this a long time ago, but never commented. Major props to John Salley for a thoughtful, honest, and simply "as-it-is" take on the NBA. Good interview. Much respect to Salley.
Isiah Thomas had that killer instinct.
little too rapy for me
And he only won two titles.................??????
that inbound to Bird was certainly killer
justafanintexas True, he only won two championships, BUT you can't weigh number of championships o heavily...if you go off that, Bill Russell is the best going off your diss for him only having his Back 2 Back titles.
The Captain, looked like a choir boy but was stone cold killer.
Salley is always a great interview.
And they changed rules for mike also......defensive rules so that he could score more which KILLED the pistons style of defense.
Best college player all time Pistol Pete and nba Jordan
I'm sorry ya'll, he's making sense. Michael hit the sweet spot of talent AND the true birth of the INDIVIDUAL superstar!
Could listen to Sall all day long
Celtics fan here, so yea a bit of a homer. Larry Bird IMO is the best ALL-AROUND player to ever lace 'em up. He did it all.
HOWEVER, I can't say he's the best b/c of his short window of greatness. Watch his highlight plays and you stack them up with the greats. You decide.
He's in the GOAT tier
Magic bust his ass
Larry Bird was the best all around basketball player skill wise and mentally. If he was as physically gifted as all the others in the GOAT debate it would not even be close
Idk about that bro defensively he wasnt on the same planet in his prime as other names like kobe mj or lebron... but bird > magic
Lavar ball is better than Larry bird
Great interview and conversation! I wasn’t aware how articulate and well spoken John Sally was-very well informed! I enjoyed his insights but I would always pick Michael Jordan over any player back then and today.
he just listed more stuff about mike then anybody else and still not in top 5, thats respect. your so good i need to know everything about you.
Who doesn't know stuff about Jordan? That just goes to show how over pushed he was.
Go to around the 4 minuets mark.. The fact that your whole team had to pay that much attention to MJ’s every move shows how much you really think of mj lol. I mean obviously teams pay attention to things but damn bro that was SPECIFIC
It's called scouting and knowing your opponent
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that's the scouting report, there is a lot of truth to what he saying
Steve Jobs they never did this for Wilt? Loooooool are you serious? You think MJ was harder guarded then Wilt? They just couldn’t stop Wilt so they changed the whole rules of game because he was too dominant! They changed the rules to make Jordan more dominant because they stopped him! Never forget that...
Larry is The Goat, he couldn't jump or run, still kick ass!
And Jokic can't run or jump Half as well as Larry!
He could run though
But he said Mike was the greatest after the last dance on espn this yr
They all know its Mike but I like John Salley list, i would only replace MJ with Jerry West for the finals losses.
At the end of the day, everyone loves greatness and dominance.
I watched mikes entire career.
We love finishers....dominance....will....appeal....and yes, swag!
Jordan encompassed all!
This will always sell globally.
Championship success doesn't hurt
Very well put
John Salley would start on my team anyday. He Mentioned one of my favorite players! Bernard King! This is my allstar lineup of all time. Jabar, Russell, Chamberlin on the inside and Majic Johnson at point, and Bird at shooting guard! That’s my opinion. There were so many good players through the years that it would be hard to make the call who is gonna start.
Seems like Sally changed his opinion about the same time Isiah changed his opinion.
Bunch of salty bitches.
Salley downplaying Jordan is laughable. And him thinking Jordan doesn’t know he was the best to ever do it makes me think he rlly doesn’t know Jordan. Salley couldn’t stop Jordan once out of 100 times . Nobody has ever played to the level that Michael Jordan played.
John Sally aka John Silly is a knowledgeable dude💪🏀👌
THis dude & the Pistons were allowed to hack players. And he thinks that was skill? Just because it took 3-4 goons to stop Jordan doesn't mean he's not the GOAT. THere is no player who did better against the Pistons than Jordan. So, I don't get his POV. THey didn't play basketball, they were playing football w/ very limited skilled goons like Laimbeer, Mahorn, himself.
Fouling is not a skill dufus.
xart23x Exactly
Back to back champs tells me the Pistons were anything but 'a bunch of goons'. In the long run, MJ may have done better against the Pistons than anyone else but that isn't saying much. Against Detroit's Bad Boys, Jordan's 30 ppg dropped to 24 ppg. Look it up.
Playing "ole'" defense is for sissies. Do you think flopping and crying are skills?
They changed the rules to benefit Jordan. You think that was skill?
I totally agree with Salley! Great interview!
In one video he said he called his moms and tells her Jordan is the greatest player he ever saw and now Jordan isn't in his top five can't trust him
It doesn't even mean that he changed his mind. He still views MJ as one of the greatest but he has to give credit to the pioneers. He played with/against MJ
@@rojaynazir1668 But now since the Documentary he's saying saying he's the greatest can't trust what he says a lie is still a lie and truth is truth can't trust him
He wanted higher than the league minimum after the 95-96 season but his stats were that of a league minimum player. For the Bulls that season, he averaged 2.1 points, 2.5 rebounds, and 0.9 assists while shooting 34% from the field. Why would he not take the minimum? He would have won 2 more rings if he would have stayed with the Bulls. Those titles would have translated to much more than 350k. He could have been a SIX time champ. Also, why is he comparing himself to Robert Parish???? Parish is a Hall of Famer.
wow lol can you say scrub.
Wow I did not know he was so intellectual! Speaks very well.
John Salley you can throw your 96 championship ring then. NBA players had ego issues, just annoying. Dennis Rodman had more sense.
Why??? Because he has a different opinion??? Get out of here!
I can't argue with another persons opinion.
It's called disagreeing
Sure you can
King2084 its called disgraceful
Shuey Stimler his opinion or my comment not sure where you're going with this
King2084 his "opinion"
you always look at guys who came before you. That's class right there.
This dude lost all credibility by putting Jerry West over Michael Jordan. He didn't even get to watch him or Russell play. Not to mention that Magic and Bird themselves stated that Michael was the greatest ever.
Have you ever seen Jerry West play? Jordan is basically Jerry West and Julius Erving combined.
DOLPHIN1266
True
Marlon James which means he’s better 😂
Yeah and Magic also said Bird was the best basketball player ever
To bad you never saw Jerry West play.
Like John a lot, but he's talking about pre Bulls championship. After MJ won his first championship no one could knock him off.
You missed one of the key points he explained. The league bent over backwards and turned Jordan into the Golden boy. That's why there's many vets and superstar players that are not really impressed by his accomplishments. Unlike most players, Jordan had most of his stuff handed to him or easier in his favor to win. And it all started after he won his two championships.
But it took him 7 years to get that first championship because his team was not good enough to be a prime Lakers team, a prime Celtics team or a prime Pistons team. When those teams aged his Bulls feasted off of a mediocre league.
Jordan vs Bird, on NES... The first basketball game I got for my Nintendo, in 1988... Then in 1992, it was Tecmo NBA Basketball, the first fully licensed game, with 12 players on each team, all 27 teams (at that time) and league approval
All the Bad Boys are still pissed Jordan took they heart in 1990.
John salley is 3-1 against bulls but hes salty.....
In 1990 the Pistons won the championship
duckrockerz4life, That's all fine and good but that was for the ECF not SHIPS. And the bad boys won back to back. that's been done by several teams. the Bulls became a dynasty. So yeah salty. The Bulls banished the bad boys to nba hell after the sweep in 91. And the bad boys were never heard from again.
@@doubled4572 salley played with mj how he salty, he won a ring with mj, he loves the guy. But im with Stephen A, why should they be salty they spanked bulls every year and if it wasnt for age with injuries they probably going to the finals again in 91.
Duckrockerz4life, I think you mean Salkey sat on the end of the bench, and gravy trained to a ring with the Bulls right? Lol And he's salty becuz no gives the bad boys their due? But big deal they won two titles? Nothing special about that? It's been done before is all? And spanked the Bulls? I think you mean they beat them in closely contested series that went 6 and 7 games? But nice revisionist history on your part lol . And you are letting you millienial ignorance show through? The Pistons WERE NOT old or injured Isaiah Thomas 29, Joe Dumas 27, Rodman 29, Laimbeer 33, James Edwards 35 average age 30.6????? That's old huh? The three biggest stars were all under 30? Nice bs excuse you tired to use, but you failed miserably. Don't worry not the first time I heard that lame excuse. And btw NO ONE was injured either!! You see I actually watched these games unlike you. And yeah you're right the Pistons would have went to the finals in 91, but..... oh yeah the Bulls swept their asses! Lol now that was a spanking! Uninformed one! Lol And then the classless bad boys walked off the floor ( right by the Bulls bench) before the game was over. Led by MJ hater #1 Isaiah Thomas.
Sally has always wanted the attention he never got. As a player, I believe he thought he was better than he was. Nothing wrong with it, confidence is a good thing, however, self awareness is important. Plus, as a Piston, Michael was the reason the Piston stopped winning.
you are upside down ASSHOLE.
The reason SHITcago started winning was cause DETROIT, lakers and boston got OLDER.
Even had to admit a PISTON between them
I believe Jordan teammates hate the fact that media portrays Jordan as the main reason why he won 6 championships. But I believe that there are more than 1 big reason: 1)Phil Jackon, 2)Scottie Pippen, 3)Dennis Rodman, 4) The bulls were the best team by far, a superteam hands down. Without Jordan they were still championship contenders. 5) The bulls had no threat, no more bad boy pistons, magic and kareem lakers, no more larry bird, which was pretty much jordan´s daddy, even MJ admitted that. Its like Bill Russell rest in peace goat, said: Oh Im the goat, fuck my teammates, when in reality the 60´s celtics was the most unstoppable superteam ever. So thats the thing MJ was the best but he played along the best against low caliber teams. When the 2004 pistons beat the lakers, thats david v goliath, the same when lebron beats the spurs or the 73-9 warriors. Jordan didnt beat no all time team, he is the reason for me loving basketball but I wont deny reality. Prime Jerry West or Wilt Chamberlain on that 90´s bulls win 10 championships.
Well said man like perfectly said!!!