The Trans Debate Is Easy to Solve: Here’s How.
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- “Simplicity solves it”. Konstantin Kisin and Tom Bilyue dissect the trans debate on Impact Theory.
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You're confusing 'female' and 'women'. Female is biological, women is gender identity. They are two separate concepts, material and then consciousness.
You support 'X' football team, but your DNA doesn't dictate that alone.
You're confusing 'female' and 'women'. Female is biological, women is gender identity. They are two separate concepts, material and then consciousness.
You support 'X' football team, but your DNA doesn't dictate that alone.
Dont confuse Trans with Drag Queens.. Entirely different thing..
You're confusing 'female' and 'women'. Female is biological, women is gender identity. They are two separate concepts, material and then consciousness.
You support 'X' football team, but your DNA doesn't dictate that alone.
I feel like a billionaire but my bank manager keeps miswealthing me.
Yes cuz your financial status is a concept that changes from culture to culture over time and is described by how society views it.
@@core420d this guy gets it
@@core420dExactly. It isn't, just like male/female isn't, either.
@@davidpa9266take a biology class. Anything but binary
@@core420d Hilarious, you just showed you know jack sh*t. XX or XY. That's it.
I was raised to believe my feelings were my own responsibility. Not everyone else's.
lol! Right back at this video and the entire comments section. I love hearing a bunch of angry cis-folks complaining about their feelings that transfolks somehow hypothetically affect them (without grounding, data, experience, anything) and make agreeing with and comforting them everyone else's responsibility.
@@NathanielJordan85 so who you're upset with the entire comment section? We made you feel something? Why are you giving your power away to strangers?
@@NathanielJordan85Wow the projection is real. Trans people are actually the ones trying to make other people affirm their feelings.
News flash. No one cares how you “feel”. We care about what is objectively true.
Trans women = men
Trans men = women
Cope ✌️
@@NathanielJordan85 I can't take people who use "cis" seriously. And "transfolk" have made it their mission to convince everyone to follow their rules.
I don't think it is so clear-cut. Yes, your feelings are your own. But we all should show empathy to each other. I don't wish to upset people beyond necessity. Unfortunately this has become a political and societal issue so we do have to say upsetting things at times instead of shutting up about it.
“Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.”
Tyler Durden
“We’re a generation of men raised by women. I’m wondering if another woman is really the answer we need.”
lol
I will definitely stop doing that though it does make me fly straighter.
The mental gymnastics the host just went through is so exhausting.
yeah, the word salad was nauseating.
That’s silly
with enough words, anything can "make sense"...as long as you never learned what "sense" means. And there we have the secret of raising a generation of lost souls.
He hardly said anything!!!
Not indulging people's delusions is a form of compassion.
T O T A L L Y !
Someon invented a t.i.m. a trans inclusive misogynist, so they treat trans the same way they treat women, poorly.
Considering the “self delete” rate of post op “folks” I have to agree.
Compassion means "to feel with." If a puppy gets hurt, you feel bad, because a part of you instinctively puts yourself in that puppy's head,
imagining how it felt. That's how compassion works. So, if you can't put yourself in a "trans" person's shoes, someone who's a particular gender, and wants to be the other, then do not pretend that this is all about compassion.
I am compassionate with these people. I really am. I want them to be able to live their lives happily. I want society to move forward, we got bigger things to worry about. I just disagree with their methods (hormone replacement, specially for children), their goofy pronouns, and all the poorly thought out ideological bagge that comes with being a "liberal trans person."
I agree but how do you feel when I say this is the same motivation behind atheism? Does this claim still hold for you?
I'm admittedly hungover, but listening to this guy in the hat ramble through absolute nonsense on this issue is mentally and physically painful. If you have to wade through absurd mental gymnastics to even try and make a point, then there's a good chance that you're talking bollocks.
KK says the same. At 11:56.
@@sirrathersplendid4825 I couldn't make it that far in the video, well done to those that did. And thank you for the timestamp!
The mental gymnastics just so not to "offend"...exhausting. You can just hear KK sighing
He's trying not to get cancelled
I thought I wasn't following what he was saying, until I realized he just wasn't saying anything.
The more TH-cam I watch, the more I see the world passing me by. I'm 42 and I think the world has lost it's f@cking mind.
oh, so close, but wrong answer. youtube (the algorithm) realized that you are more profitable if you think the world has lost it's f@cking mind, so its done all it can to convince you of that.
You are not a lone. I couldn't stand the host trying not get cancelled.
Absolutely it has. The inmates are in charge of the asylum now. We all see how it's working out for them.. IT ISN'T! Also, why I like to isolate. I don't deal well with idiocy.
Yes, I was enjoying my small life, work, friends, family, staying healthy - you know, the Tend your own Garden philosophy. Then I got into TH-cam and started finding out what is happening in the culture today. Boom! Did not see this coming. I can't believe it, and also how fast it is changing.
I have a decade on you….and I sensed I was being lapped, until I realized I didn’t want to participate in their race! The world isn’t passing you by, my friend! There are just many that will soon understand that THEY have a lot of ground to make up! Stay strong, my friend
The people of 100 years ago called and are wondering why the people of the 21st century are having this debate.
People of TEN years ago would be calling in...
Hell with that the people from 25 years ago want to know when we all lost our friggen minds
Magnus Hirschfeld coined the term "transsexual" almost exactly 100 years ago in his 1923 essay "Die Intersexuelle Konstitution", and the modern transgender movement has revived many of the ideas promoted by Hirschfeld's "Institute for Sexual Science", founded in 1919, ideas which just 20 years ago most of us thought long dead and buried both by advances in biology and medicine, and by the gay liberation and feminist movements, including the radical conflation (or "spectrumization") of homosexuality, intersexuality and transvestism.
@@petretepner8027😢
Konstantin: Simplicity solves it
Tom: Talks in word salad for the next 16 minutes 😂
Painful waste of my time 😢
and invokes phrenology.
I am still trying to figure out what in the hell he is talking about. It's all a blur apart from his wife didn't like it when he acted like a bitch.
Wtf
The title was definitely misleading
My biggest point of contention is seemingly how many of the trans activists speak with such vitriol about, and toward, actual women while simultaneously wanting to just destroy all spaces made, designed, and constructed for women
It is a weird contempt they have for the very women they are trying to imitate.
Well said
The movement is misogynistic and homophobic. The obfuscation of language is a feature, not a bug. A woman is an adult human female and anyone who tells who otherwise drank the 2+2=5 Orwell kool-aid. Neo-religious practices like pronouns, have no place in schools. The mass delusion is real.
Yeah, it's mind-boggling. It's like watching hyperbolic irony play out IRL.
Duh, I'm replying to my own post, but seeing it in writing made something click. The contempt isn't weird, it is that they resent actual women because they are jealous of them being actual women. It shatters their own delusions.
This guy's word salad is torture. I had no idea WTF he was talking about so laughed out loud when Konstantin said the same!
I understood everything, but I admit, you have to think a lot.
Thanks for reigning that conversation in. Tom was glitching so hard. He knows he agrees with you but is trying his damndest not to get cancelled.
He said he was steelmanning, is he just playing devils advocate?
@@joecrawford-ub4mc idk I guess lmao I've never even heard "steelmanning" used before
Watching people trying to avoid being cancelled is fascinating.
Unbelievable.
That's exactly what this is, so true
😂😂😂. If he was a woman or had a daughter he would be there but give him time maybe?
facts.
Bileu (or whatever) always struck me as a bit of a uber beta. Generally find him unwatchable, something just seems a bit off and makes me feel uncomfortable to watch. The other guy gives zero 💩 about being cancelled, he calls it as he sees it. As someone from a communist country will do to avoid falling back into the same thought control traps his family escaped from.
The mental gymnastics needed for the identification justification is absolutely stunning.
It is a denial of reality. If you can look down and see (body part) and deny it's existence there is a problem. And how many are lying for whatever reason?
And funny to watch. "OMG haha I can't find the right words to explain this haha, but you just have to agree Haha"
Tom is exhibiting all the mental gymnastics here for everyone to view. Rambling, circular talking, changing the subject, shifting goal posts, going on long, aimless diatribes. Total wokester/grifter caught in the crosshairs.
...and brave.
Typical feminine cucked modern man…illogical, irrational, an “ally” aka a cowardly b*tch.
Check out the Canadian male weight-lifter, and has been lifting weights as a male for years, decided to make a statement and made the claim that he was now a female. He signed in as a female to lift in a tournament, didn't wear a wig, didn't wear any different clothes, just went in as he normally would and kicked butt and won it all! He only did it to make a statement. Didn't say anything, just went in as if it were normal and did it another one said anything. Says it all.😂
I wasn't surprised to hear about this guys masculine wife.
I thought he was gay
He's 100 getting pegged
😂
She's def gotta bigger 🍆 than him lol 😂
😂😂😂
To quote the late great comedian Norm MacDonald, " cis is a made up word to make normal people feel weird" RIP dood.
Cis and trans are from chemistry but they use it wrong because the "trans" ply on words fits their thinking. Cis isomers are molecules with mirror symmetry and trans are "crossed" and not symmetric.
@@charlesspringer4709 that may be so...whatever that is...but millions of people think that joke is hilarious because it rings true. We are not cis!!! Do not put a creepy, God Forbidden "pronoun" on us. We'll be just fine without being defined by some newfangled progressive terminology. Call us old fashioned...(I can hear the triggering alarms going off now with that term).
Have a nice day :)
Cis does not make sense it imply something can be changed , a man or woman cannot change anything except their clothes or haircut not their sex / gender as that is impossible .
I am not going down gender is a construct bullshit it is sex.
@@charlesspringer4709Cis and Trans are Latin, as in Cisalpine Gaul and Transalpine Gaul.
@@charlesspringer4709cis and trans are from Latin, pre-dating modern chemistry.
“Ladies and gentleman, please allow me to use as many words as I can conjure and twist them into a pretzel of confusion and obfuscation in order to avoid simply stating the truth: there are only two sexes.”
Exactly. Well said. 😂
Bingo. Liberalism is a cult. Transactivists are the priest class.
😂😂
Haha. Nice...
A greater truth is there is no such thing as gay or trans.
Masculinity is not define by muscle but by character .
Well doesn’t this then refute his entire point?
Strange how the world has a very different opinion on that when you're a muscular female. ("Oooh, so masculine!" 🙄)
The trans debate isn't about masculine/feminine. It's about the biological categories of male/female.
Anybody who says that has never been punched by a man.
No. Masculinity is not a character trait. It is not a subjective feeling a person might have. It is not an idea dreamed up by society. It means having a male body; and, by extension, it means living in response to that body by learning ways to care for it and to enjoy what it can do. Masculinity doesn't mean anything else.
We don't treat psychosis in people by becoming psychotic ourselves.
Gender dysphoria and psychosis are two different things. A psychosis makes you have delusions, gender dysphoria does not. People with gender dysphoria know that they are not the sex that they want to present themselves as, that's the entire reason they transition. Because they know their body looks like the gender they were assigned at birth, instead of the gender they actually identify as
@@denzellmovies Their idea that they should "transition" to match their delusory state is the psychosis. Many are autistic. Many have other trauma going on. We don't and should not treat anorexia nervosa with liposuction.
@@tommore3263 gender dysphoria isn't a delusion. Like I said, trans people know what sex they are, that is why they transition. If a transgender man already thought he presented as male he would not feel the need to transition.
And you are conflating dysmorphia with dysphoria. People with a type of body dysmorphia have a twisted perception of their body. While people with gender dysphoria do not have a twisted perception of their body, they are merely disatisfied with it. Those are two different things
ha ha, the Left does.
I think the fundamental issue is this idea that "Society needs to accommodate my feelings." It's truly destructive and is a big net loss of freedom overall.
For Millions of years there were only 3 simple categories that worked for everyone, Straight, Gay or Bi. Choose one, the end.
if you sincerely believe that these "harmless choices", if accommodated in aggregate, are actually harmless and have no downstream negative affects on, in particular, women, then I would suggest you have some further thinking and soul searching to do.@@cicolas_nage
@@cicolas_nage if only there was a harmless choice we were discussing then.
@@cicolas_nage You can ask. You can't demand. And it ceases to become harmless once it means gaining access to womens' spaces.
@@cicolas_nage _"i don't think it's outrageous to ask that 'society' treats you with respect for a harmless choice"_
Respecting delusion is massively harmful. One of the key foundations of any civilised society is rule of law. Rule of law depends upon logical evidential data. Indulging lies... particularly _celebrating_ lies, as woke culture increasingly demands, is a recipe not only for madness but for societal collapse.
The mental gymnastics is so absurd.
I think therefore I am. Cartesianism carried two the extreme. Or gnosticism which thinks of the body nearly as a vehicle.
Or people who don't have a brain or any decent traditions. @@johnschuh8616
I think it's done on purpose so people don't know what they are truly arguing for. Intentional stripping of nuance makes it easier to force people into sides. Ironically a binary choice fully with or against.
....and so unnecessary.
He knows the answer but just wants to have some more enlightened position.
That this sort of idiocy can even be a _debatable point_ is simply flooring.
I agree with the statement he makes at 2:44, and I am a trans guy. I am not male, and I never could be. That's just a basic fact. Represent yourself however you like socially. That doesn't mean your sex magically changes.
I don't believe any trans person thinks otherwise though. Trans people understand the difference between sex and gender, it's the transphobes who don't. And then those transphobes try to paint trans people as if they are the ones denying science, just because they themselves misinterpret it.
The fact that we even have to have a conversation about biological facts is a real sign of the declining Western societies
The discussion is not about biology, but about transness. What is a transperson to you? Do you think such people do not exist,or do you just want to ignore them? I think, they have probably thought more about biological sex and its implications than you and are completely aware of them.
@@ldan90v10 Very few people matter in the eyes of an individual. Realising that you understand that people hope transgender leave them alone the same way they left them. There is pushback when transgender try to enter wrong bathrooms, try to push ideias into minors, try to create words, when they are minding their own lifes no one cares and that's how it should be.
@@ldan90v10Nah, it's not a discussion about "transness". Everyone accepts that there are trans people. What many do not accept is that some demand that you have to accept for a fact that they are of the sex of which they are not biologically. They differentiate between sex and gender but are not willing to use different terms than man and woman which are very old and based on biological sex not gender. So why confuse these terms and mess up existing categories? There would be no problem with trans if they just went with the new category of trans-man and trans-woman. Then we could discuss if trans-women would be allowed to use women dress rooms or not and we would not have to introduce new terms for existing categories, like "cis"-man/woman.
@@swaeyl3883 what do you mean "Everyone accepts that there are trans people"? This is just clearly not the case. There is so much malice and misrepresentation - the proof being this video - and I'm not even talking about violence against transpeople... You might accept it, but what is your acceptance worth if you refuse to honestly engage with the topic.
And how again is the discussion we are having "not a discussion about "transness""?
When a transperson wants to be identified as a member of their gender, the question is not about what the biological definition of the associated sex is (this, as you know, is a really easy to answer question [it is not btw]), but what the society wants to comprise under the terms "woman" and "man", as we use them colloquially. If you define them over biological sex, you are intentionally excluding trans people and I would argue that this requires at least a good reason.
Why aren’t we asking if this is being caused by environmental factors. The amount of endocrine disrupting chemicals that are in our water and food is thousands of times higher than previous generations.
Girls are going through puberty years earlier than a decade ago. Boys have reduced sperm counts.
I feel like we all have mercury, poisoning and are trying to decide what to call the Mad HattersHatters. Instead of removing the mercury.
Konstantin has a great way of just sitting back and allowing people to expose how foolish they are. It is a talent.
He is INCREDIBLE at it. I’ve been watching his street talks at protests and I have no idea how he has as much restraint as he does, to just let people speak themselves into a hole.
This other no name dude is just as big a problem as the loud minority... He's so on thr fence, it's disgusting. Have a opinion, stand by it... soyboy
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake
His calm expression says, "You keep digging, mate. I'm not throwing you a rope."
You didn't hear him say he was going to steel man the argument? It's a shame intellectual people like Konstantin have so many stupid fans.
I really appreciate the fact that these two have enough respect for each other to have a conversation. We don’t have to agree, but we are allowed to speak about it
I just can’t accept someone for who they are…… when they OBVIOUSLY can’t do the same.
Dad used to say “don’t whine to others about what life has done to you. 90% do not care, 10% are glad it happened.”
Hasn’t served me wrong yet
I'm one of the ten percent, and I respect you so much more because you follow that policy.
I care❤
@@Pk-wu9tl Mostly about yourself (like the other 8 billion hairless apes).
Hyperbole, but still true. I do care what happens to people close to me if it's something beyond their control. If it's simply consequences of their dumb actions ... well ...
If you’re maki g 10% of people happy while not adversely affecting the rest may as well whine.
When a "trans" "woman" says 'i feel like a woman' , just reply with "how do you know you do?" Because how the fuck COULD they know?! I will never know how a dog feels, or what a wasp sees!
usually, because of gender dysphoria, with the added "relates more to the opposite sex"
I agree. Also how do you know what it feels like to be a man or a woman?
@@ymir2275 hello. I agree. I’m a woman and honestly wouldn’t have a clue how to describe it. I just am. I relate to tree climbing and plumbing, but I’m female heterosexual. I do not relate to being more male because of my life work choices and interests. Some suggest that those choices mean I should be trans which is nonsense. It’s like suggesting a heterosexual man cannot be a nurse. The problem with trans and gender disphoria is it always stereo types, taking us backwards 150 years. If you don’t fit the box ...
@@mannie7028 dysphoria in and of itself is just about having a strong dislike for ones body, and the gender dysphoria relates to the gendered parts. So that doesn't have any stereotypes. But when you add that with relating to, (which isn't just hobbies), but mannerisms, ways of seeing and thinking about things.
There's two types at least, when it comes to trans community, the ones the twitter folk refer to as truscum, and themselves which they call tucute. Terms that ironically were made up by someone pretending to be trans for clout.
Truscum think dysphoria is required, tucute are the ones who think "just believing you're the opposite gender is enough".
Truscum would never suggest you'd be trans by what you described.
How does "a women" feel?
And ev3n if we could say, how 4 billion people feel, a male will neuer have the experience of womanhood! No periods, no catcalling, etc
A man who identifies as a woman and accesses services that are allocated to/for women only could be charged with theft/fraud.
👏👏👏 I second that!!!
So I'm male, I'm marry a woman. We have kids. We're going through a divorce. I claim I'm a woman now. So now I get custody. Wow this could work
Listening to the guy in the hat is incredibly hard to do. He spouts convulted nonesense, and you have to attempt to ignore his tangents to grasp any sort of argument. And then Konstantin speaks and it is like a breath of fresh air, with clarity and concision.
Yeh he's really good at using a lot of words to say nothing, he went on a rant about maleability before saying u need to categorise things, which is like duh ofc u need to
I was following him just fine and he actually said a lot of things. It sounds convoluted because our language evolved in an society that was largely unaware of all the caveats and nuances, so the words in our language are inaccurate and can't convey the ideas easily. He had to acknowledge all the exceptions before he can make his arguments.
The leftard speaketh the gookedy gobble.
My thoughts exactly. The host said a whole lot of nothing. When he was done he had not uttered a single coherent thought.
@@commenter4898when you tiptoe around every subject afraid to offend, your statements become constipated.
Tom spending the whole thing squirming trying to not get cancelled.
Exactly. It is a bit sad tbh. He did so much good, has a huge platform. What is he afraid of? I don't understand this.
Exactly.
Very painful to watch
Exactly. And after all his mental gymnastics, which KK correctly points out at 12:00 to be meaningless gibberish, he settles on exactly the position that got JK Rowling eg cancelled. Literally her now famous tweet.
Can you blame him? This new world is vicious
Blimey this guy has 400 hundred words when only two are needed. Man and Woman
Three. Three words - man and woman. Blimey!
The guy with the hat wasn't even involved in the same conversation. I know he was talking, but the words weren't making any sense.
I'm 58, but I feel like I'm 65. I demand the right to have the Early Bird Special at Denny's. I also want cheaper movie tickets and bus passes. Validate my seniority!
I am going to identify as 70 so I can get the maximum in SS benefits.
I was enjoying the senior meals at Denny’s and other restaurants at 55.
LOLOLOLLLLLLL!
I think senior discounts were nice. I remember it always made my great grandma really happy. I think overall respect for elders has dwindled and it's sad.
Don’t forget to apply for your Social Security benefits, too.
The biggest problem i have with the entire debate is that there's no room for people who identify as somebody that doesn't recognize delusion as reality.
OR for people who have NEVER "identified", whatever the **** that is supposed to mean
People who dont want to play this game
I immediately opted out of playing make believe in real life. They immediately identified me as a transphobe. I believe it is wise to fear those who spread lies.
Easy, solution, next time somebody tell you they identify as bla bla you tell them I identify as the person who is right on the matter so FCK OFF. =)
@@adambrewer9182 You have my respect, sir, as I did exactly the same. I immediately spotted where this had all come from, and know all too well from Russian and Ex-East German friends, that the whole point is to coerce you into speaking THEIR language so that they can manipulate the means by WHICH we think. My immediate response...Ahh, NO ! !
"Let the lie come into the World. But NOT through ME !" A.Solzhenitsyn
I LOVE that you're having this conversation and being so brave. We need more of this and we need people to see it and share it
How did Tom not know about the "female penis" psyop before this debate? It's at least a decade old by now.
Konstantin saying “he has no f’ing idea what the guy is talking about is how we all feel
He knows he’s saying nonsense. He’s using word salad a a vain hope to obfuscate that he’s being proven wrong over n over again
Ladies and gentlemen, this is how the wokester grifter reacts when you tighten the screws. He knows he’s full of bs.
Nah! T is pedantic by nature.
Pedantic and rambling incoherently are not the same thing.
Feminine cucked male…that’s why he cant make any sense.
Can’t speak for men, but being a woman is more than a feeling!
I think 99% of us don't have a gender identity. We aren't coincidentally born a male/female and have our gender identities "align"; we have NO gender identity at all, and we simply accept that we are whatever gender we're born with.
Just like I'm 31 because I know today's date and I know my birthday and I can do math. I have no internal identity of what age I should be, nor do I know what 31 year olds feel like.
@@user-nj9ru4ef2w You nailed it.
@@user-nj9ru4ef2w...and you base this 99% statistic on what? 😂 Yes, the gender/sex you are born into plays a significant role in the identity you then build. Carrying a child, maternal instincts, menstruation, testosterone, paternal instincts, male athleticism all of this combines to form the varying identities...
just get a strap on and you'll understand everything. Apparently. ;)
@@blowfish1702a propensity to buy shoes...
From a psychologist friend, “feelings are not facts.’
I'm hyper masculine and my wife is hyper feminine and we have the best marriage out of any couple I've ever met. Tom felt like he was assuming his success was the best way to duplicate success, which is what successful people who give advice tend to do.
My friend's daughter claimed to be a boy. My friend said "go outside and help your father shovel the driveway". The girl was aghast. My friend explained that being a boy/man in society carries certain expectations, just as being a girl/woman in society has certain expectations. My friend began to explain what society expects of men. Her daughter went to her room and slammed the door.
The poor girl didn't mean she wanted to do work like a man. Just play dress-up
This falls in the regressive stereotype category. I shovel driveways too but I’m still a woman. A woman is not something she does, it is something she just IS, an adult human female, or XX chromosomes. We need to get rid of regressive stereotypes. I am a woman whether I’m in a dress or pants, makeup or no makeup. It’s a fact, not a feeling, it’s a state of being, not a social moray.
@@TheNesbittExperienceI agree but it was a great way to shut down the narrative
@@kelleygreengrass what no its not it just highlights regressive gender roles it doesn't help anything.
this is just... terrible. like the worst argument ever. want to be a boy? well you best be ready for those outdated and regressive gender roles.
This all boils down to “I am willing to be intellectually dishonest so that I don’t receive any negative attention from hurting someone’s feelings”.
exept science supports his positions while you on the other hand relish in your ignorance and weaponize it to hurt others in pursuit of personal satisfaction.
Yup. An insane premise.
guy on left told him this is best kept simple, guy on the right tried his hardest to make it complicated as there is no logical argument... then this 12:02
Dealing with insecurities is a universal thing that applies to any human being. To be more secure means that you need to believe more in yourself.
Well REAL BIOLOGICAL women do not ever say ‘I am a woman’. Because we are
It's from the same stable as "I am a happily married man." Men who say it, aren't. Men who are happily married don't feel the need to tell anyone.
@@lesleyvivien2876- Well, that's not exactly true, although I know what you're saying. I've told a few women who get a little too flirty with me that I'm a happily married man, which I am.
@@stephenthomas1492 Interesting. It hadn't occurred to me that it might be used in defence. It's only ever been said to me in casual conversation, with no flirting involved, by men who were divorced within six months. Thank you for telling me that there are exceptions. 😊
I'm sorry, what? If someone asked me what I identify with, I'd say I'm a woman, because I am one....why would I never say I am one if I am?!😅
@lesleyvivien2876 I agree with you and agree with the other commenter. I don't go around telling everyone that I'm happily married, because people can see I am if they look at my left hand. If guys started flirting with me or send me direct messages on social media, I always tell them I'm married. If they persist that's the time I tell them, "I'm happily married."
People should assume a person who's married is happily married.
The best part of this interview was watching the self torture it took to defend this trans concept.
100%
But he never succeeded in defending it. In addition, I don't think his wife is going to appreciate him bringing her business out in the open.
It's sad though that a "smart" person would go to such pains.
Not sure what you mean, Daniella -- where is the self-torture?
@@calebmurdock2028 hi caleb. more like tom was making an argument from ignorance. that he has never looked at the flame wars between trans activists and normal people to find out what the actual positions are. tom spoke with one trans woman and they seemed normal. that is the freedom of expression trans adult. originally we were supposed to feel sorry for pre teens who felt confused about their sex. we were supposed to go along with hormones and surgery so they could look more like a woman.
You cannot feel like something or someone you were never born as.
the irony of them constantly mixing up physical traits vs mental characteristics as it pertains to masculinity is prime entertainment
Not just spaces "we have allocated for women," also places women have had to fight for for decades.
The guy on the left makes perfect sense. Short, sweet, to the point. The guy with glasses is trying to be so nuanced, pseudo-sciency, and unoffensive that he's lost the conversation. It's not complicated and if you have to complicate the discussion to such a degree that our brains hurt then it's probably not the solution to the problem.
The guy with glasses a a beta male and simpleton.
It’s called gaslighting and/or cognitive dissonance. Like trying to convince someone 2+2=5.
I identified myself as the like button and therefore I pressed myself so hard I broke my ribs. I joined the broke movement.
It’s insane, people can’t talk honestly anymore.
*It is not a debate, its weirdos talking at us and none of us buy it.*
KK is not weirdo, but the otherone yes.
Exactly. As soon as you agree that there is a debate, you already lost.
@@pialakin6517 he thinks he can actually reason with them. He thinks he can move the needle by being centrist. I don’t think he’s as wise as he thinks he is. He’s one of these people who claim there is a “principled center” which is a fundamentally flawed. By defining yourself as centrist, you have given up on principles. It’s inherently unprincipled. You are claiming to have a foot on each side, you’re indecisive. It’s not a powerful position when trying to pull people out of their ideological beliefs. No one wants to follow or emulate an indecisive person. They want someone with strong beliefs and values. Someone who stands for something. Anyway, centrism is the what got us to the place we are at. They were too scared to speak out when it was happening because they didn’t want to give the impression they were in the right. Its weakness.
Thats not true, a lot of people are buying it and thats the problem
weirdo kids with zero self awareness in their eyes
As a gay man, if I’m not attracted to a woman who now identifies as a man, does that mean I’m straight?
❤😂😂❤
They say no. Also that you're transphobic and possibly homophobic to ask that. Although if you were attracted to a man who identifies as a woman, they would say you were in a straight relationship that was also still queer. It makes no sense.
I think so.
Holy cow, mind officially blown 🤯
Of course not.
It is impossible to defend the undefendable!
They do this with Aboriginals in Australia. All you have to do is identify. This week, an African, born in Africa, lived there his entire life until mid 30s, committed crimes in Australia & told the Court he can't be deported because he identifies as an Aboriginal. 😊
This whole gender argument is ridiculous, if they want to argue sex and gender are different, fine. We divide things like prisons, toilets, changing rooms and female only waiting lists by sex, not gender. Problem solved.
The problem I see with calling them different is the language we use. Gender and Sex always meant the same until very recently so we mix them up a lot. And "men" and "women" could mean sex or gender, they really would need new words for this. Come up for new words for feeling like the other gender, like "masculine" or "feminine" or "tomboy" or something else. I think most arguments on transgender run into word definition problems.
Tbf, trans folks have existed for 1000s of years (much like gay folks); they were just similarly violently oppressed and forced to hide until recently. The change is not existence, it's visibility. Also, trans folks already have all this language, they did that work, and regularly try to use those terms, so I think you're just not looking for the answers you're asking for.
@@NathanielJordan85 How do you define trans? At least what it means in modern society did not exist for 1000s of years. If you water down the definition you can find examples of anything. But people who believe they were born into the wrong body, dress as the opposite sex, take on a name of the opposite sex and expect everyone to say that they really are of the other sex (as opposed to taking on the role or pretending)? Lots of people have existed in the world so I won't say never, but by no means has that really been a thing until now.
@@NathanielJordan85evidence?
I'm a gender denialist. It is not a useful category. There is only sex.
Question: Has any “trans” person EVER GIVEN as much time, thought, consideration, compassion, tolerance, rule-bending etc. to a non trans person’s feelings? I’ll wait…
Blair white.
Myself.
Many others I know.
It's the agp and the activists and the brain washed that shout the loudest and so its them that are heard.
The circus is promoted, the rest of us are "right wing"
Why would a trans person need to "bend the rules" for a non-trans person? The rules are already in favour of non-trans people. So you're going to be waiting a long time.
Blaire White is one. There are many others. They're not toxic and try to not make a splash, so you don't hear about them.
@RedGyl Blaire is a hypocrite. How does it make any sense for him to admit he's a man but still expect that people call him "she" and that he should use female spaces?? It doesn't.
@@david1964. The "rules" being biology? Nature isn't in favor of anything, it just is.
Coopting of something old? No, it's coopting reality.
We have to differentiate male vs female in some situations, but in other situations it doesn't matter. Be conscious about if it matters or not and don't hate trans people because they are trans
It’s like Nagel’s essay What is it like to be a bat? You can’t know what a woman is unless you are a woman. Just like dressing like a bat doesn’t make you a bat. It makes you Batman
Good comment @mark
Actually it’s the precise opposite:
There is nothing “it is like” being e.g. a woman. You either are or aren’t. But transwomen say they they really are women, because they feel, deep inside, like women.
So u are saying we must be something to understand what it is???? 😂😂😂, gravity, electricity, science, animals???? Are u saying we know not what they are?
@ayompeernest3094 this is weaponized stupidity and it's transparent af.
HOW DARE YOU. lol
I identify as a 5 year old girl (n reality I’m a 65 year old woman) I’m going to dress like a young girl and want to have the privilege of a youth. I intend on playing minor hockey, soccer etc and ski free at my local ski resort. I FEEL like a child. If you can change your sex why not your age, race, species, disability etc INSANITY
Go get your backpack. Kindergarten starts on Monday! 😁
Hey! A guy is doing that…no kidding. Look him up.
@@musicalbenchesare you talking about the Canadian 50 year old male who identifies as a little girl and is on a swim team with the girls? He goes into the change room with them and competes against them. It’s gross and sad that it’s allowed to happen.
@giggle1971 There are actually two in Canada, I believe. The man who states he is a teenage girl and is competing in swim meets (and changing in the changing rooms with girls as young as thirteen, possibly as young as eleven once?). And one who states he is a six-year-old girl and was adopted by a couple as a playmate for their actual daughter; last I heard he was fighting for the right to go to kindergarten and it was looking good for him.
It is less insane, saying you identify as younger, because you actual have a lived experience of being younger. Men don't and will never have any ability to know/feel what it is like to be a women. So claiming you are younger than you are is still a lie but less of a lie than claiming to be a woman when you are a man
Our Constitutional Court in the Czech republic just decided that to get officially changed from man to a woman there is no need for surgery!! And I thought that at least for nonsense like that we are quite sensible! Yeah right!! I despair!
Historically, there are nonwestern cultures that had a solution of more than just 2 social gender categories. If they had the technology I'd bet they would have embraced sex changes.
I wonder how well that would work in the modern western world to expand the gender categories?
There is so much nuance to all of this that just gets lost in the weeds of this all.
My husband is very masculine and I'm very feminine. We have been together 22 years, happily married nearly 20. Our relationship is much better than most of our friends. Tom doesn't know what he's talking about. Also, being masculine doesn't mean you can't understand your wife's emotions or be sensitive to them. Being a protector and provider are masculine traits.
He’s one of these men who one would consider a sneaky f-er. If you’re not familiar, there are these fish who present in two distinct phenotypes. The two phenotypes have different mating strategies. One phenotype is classical masculine, they chase away and “fight” other males, they’re brightly colored and flashy. While the other phenotype presents like a female of the species with muted colors and smaller in size. When the males are battling it out for territory, the smaller phenotype sneaks in and mates with the female laying eggs. Its an actual know biological phenomenon, “the sneaky f-er strategy”. This is what male feminists are doing. They are often the ones who do all the awful things that get laid on the classical male stereotype. I always found that weird because those guys don’t need to pull sneaky crap. So, if you have a make friend in your life who wants to be a cry shoulder, I would be careful around him.
He really seemed to lack understanding of this talking point, as if he had the idea that masculinity and toxic masculinity are the same thing. It's obviously worked out for him that he and his wife are a bit atypical for their sex and so they are kinda similar, but positive masculinity is a good thing, and a generally desirable trait.
Most women I've spoken to want a man that is strong, confident, protecting, and capable, and those are all compatible with being loving, emotionally supportive, and generally not being an asshole. Even Tom's wife admitted that his wife asked him to man up a bit. And if we're honest, most men like that prefer more feminine women. They're complimentary.
I'm more interested in ure statement. Define very masculine...
The best heterosexual relationships are between a very masculine man and a very feminine woman. It's ideal.
Yes, that was a huge generalisation that isn't going to apply to everyone. I would go on to suggest that the relative masculinity and femininity in a couple has very little to do with the success of relationships, given all the other factors involved.
Feelings are not facts. One day you can feel one way, another day you can feel another way. Feelings are deceptive, feelings are not truth tellers 😊
They are also very fickle 👍
I remember having an ENTIRE worksheet in 8th grade English that we had to identify Fact vs Opinion.
I thought it was the EASIEST assignment.
Apparently I was a genius😢
Ok Ben Shapiro, rofl.
People would probably give up on romantic relationships if feeling were facts
Every clinical crazy person tells everyone they feel sane.
“You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place.” John Swift. This male is making things up for his case.
I enjoy this convo. I love Tom's very ADHD philosophical meanderings. I enjoy the compassion and logic and honesty. I enjoy their friendship as well. - random gal.
Isn't it obvious that 99.8 percent of us are sick of being bullied by the other 0.2 percent? Absolutely, be you, but do NOT demand me to participate in your delusion by calling you what you pretend to be.
bruh...im sorry that a loud minority of people are making trans people look like idiots, but gender dysphoria is a real and diagnosable condition. Self ID can be dangerous and i don't agree with how easy it could be to change your legal gender, but it is such a small group of people who are doing this. I beg you just have a conversation with a real trans person so you can understand.
Someone's been slurping up their Jordan Peterson like a good boy.
Aww poof insecure little man! am transgender fully transitioned, including voice feminization 38DDD-26-45, its anout femininity if you look around. Most cis women aren't that feminine obese unkempt, etc . I also asexual nkt interested in sex at all a d coukd care less what anyone thinks about me .!
The bathroom issue is huge... we need to keep that safe space for Women and children.
And children?
You’re more likely to get r worded by a priest or youth pastor then a trans person.
And if the bathroom issue is such a big issue for you, how do you feel about Buck Angel using the women’s restroom or Blair White using the men’s restroom?
In England, since Aug 2023, this has been a requirement for all new non-domestic buildings. It's only a matter of time before it flows down to existing buildings:
Separate single-SEX toilets facilities shall be provided for men and women and/or self-contained, private toilets are provided where space allows to ensure privacy and safety.
Mixed SEX shared facilities are not an option, except when lack of space allows only a single toilet.
JK Rowling has been cancelled over this.
Your bathroom issue is huge? Thanks, I was just eating a sandwich.
I really wish if only people nowadays can discuss and converse their difference of thought more calmly and more mature like this video. Sometime it's just so frustrating and exhausting seeing so many people can easily jump to conclusions, accusations after accusations, without any ounce of willingness to listen.
On the hyper feminine/masculine argument -- 41 years married and we love the hyperness. I married a really feminine woman, she married an old fashioned gentleman.
I am a woman. I am not a man. I cannot possibly know what it is like to “feel” like a man. I just can’t. If I say I feel more “masculine” that is a subjective statement based off of characteristics we have put into the “male” category. For me, as a woman who was a bit of a tomboy and still has elements of that about me, what I’m really saying is I don’t “feel” like a girly girl. I don’t find myself interested in or wanting to emulate that very soft, ultra femininity that I am associating that “feeling” with. But I don’t even know what it is to be another woman so how do I know that those women I think are “girly girls” feel any more or less “feminine” than I do? We are just outwardly expressing our femininity differently. But we are both still women and can only ever experience what it is to be a woman and never what it is to experience being a man. Any trans identifying person, or anyone who insists gender is “fluid” is, at the end of the day, spouting religious-esque gibberish. You can only feel like yourself. And if you are biologically female, that will inform how you experience yourself. And the same for males. To say gender is “fluid” is meaningless. Since a man cannot know what it is to be female or a female to be like a male, how can any human possibly embody some sort of middle area where it’s some percentage their biological sex and some percentage the sex they cannot have any real knowledge of whatsoever? It is all inane. It’s all nonsense. They’re talking about some sort of gendered soul and they are giving that soul vague and abstruse characteristics that come straight from their imaginations and nowhere else. No one really cares how you dress or walk or talk or what not. But stop trying to force all of us to play along with some asinine LARPing game you’ve got going on in your head.
Absolute facts! Weird question but are you familiar with WOLF? I'm on the fence about them.
You are absolute right. I for myself am so over those points about feelings, masculinity, feminity and so on: It all comes down to that you have only ONE (natural) strategy to potentially reproduce. You can either be the part who is (potentially) able to fertilize or to (potentially) be impregnated and gestate. Your whole body evolved around that strategy and these material facts have HUGE impacts on your body, your behaviour and also social implications. Which does not mean that everybody is the same or effected in the same way by their sex but both are quite distinguishable, in every place, time or even species. How you feel about your sex doesn't have any impact on your sex, nor do cosmetic surgeries have. Of course everybody is free to cosplay, to immitate,to perform stereotypes (of their sex or cross sex) but to make the claim that those feelings and/or performances make you of the other (or non) sex class is just nuts. And pretty offensive.
Thank you for saying this. Gender is bullshit, and men need to stay out of women's spaces, it doesn't matter how they feel.
And by virtue of your biology, you know how every other person for ever and always, past, present, and future feels about their biology. That just seems stupid and arrogant.
@@justmy2cents652 I agree that you're offensively nuts--and also hatefully stupid.
God. Só many words and he cannot make an objective point. Konstantine has a lot of patience.
He has feelings about it
Thoroughly enjoyed listening to this, both very polite to each-other, both want to understand what each person is trying to say.
They could compete in male sports, come last and receive not a penny in prize money. But, hell they would be being true to themselves.
Truth is short, lies are long. The more words one uses to explain a position, the further from truth one travels.
Well said
lies draw out to whole curricula...gender studies for example
🔥🔥🔥🔥 I agree , I don’t know what the host is afraid of, he is a very smart and straight talking lad but homeboy is talking weird on this topic
@mctururu1940 Well, he did say he's "more feminine" in his emotions (i.e., ruled by his emotions, seems to be his definition at least) and the pro-trans argument relies HEAVILY on exploiting empathy and aversion to conflict. It probably makes him feel icky to go too hard against them. There's hope he learned from this and will work through that; he does seem to be encountering many of the actual arguments for the first time, on either side.
Spot on, @drachman
To me it’s like telling someone with anorexia that “yes you are fat, if you feel fat”
Bang on the money! It's insane
It's the body positivity idea of telling an obese man or woman that they're healthy, because their feelings get in the way and they cannot handle the truth.
Yes. A+
Konstantin, the level of patience you demonstrated while Tom spent 15 mins enjoying the sound of his own voice is astounding; that's said as someone who generally approves of Tom Bilyeau and his channel.
I was born in the late 60s in a poor part of the Alps. I went through the fear of nuclear war in the 80s, several crises (1973, 1979, 2008), my wife and I worked very hard in not easy places to raise a family in a good environment but I must say nothing has been as hard as having to go through the absurd stupidity of our world today. It's so ridiculously stupid that I just cannot stand it.
Everyone today would rather dig a bunker in the Alps than deal with this bullshit
Elites has established this world needs to have 1/10 of actual human inhabitants.This is their solution to "gentle depopulation": you will not have sons because they forced you in not having sons but because being gender fluid is the cool juice of this era (because they used their resources and power to inject it in every aspect of our culture and ethos). We have to suck it...
Your welcome to either leave it of your own accord or try to fix a few things you feel you can.
I had no idea that there was a poor part of the Alps 🤔
I think it's because we used to believe that our children will live better lives, and now we're looking at this new generation in shock and despair because we realize that what we have created has no future... It's like we lost everything we have anted to live for... I think Elon is right that he wanted to go to space. I would love to see humans dream about space again, about exploration, about future. Because it's the only thing that brings hope to a person. That life will be better, if not for us, then for our children...😢
Well done KK , this debate was in danger of drifting off into space , you kept it on track and your focus and humour was bang on.
Exactly, Tom is insufferable. I have no idea why he has any following at all.
That hyper masculine and hyper feminine not going together thing is insane. Yin and Yang. Two mirrored pieces fit together.
It's like watching an Adult have a conversation with a 3-year old.
A three year old with a dictionary and a thesaurus.
I continue to listen to debates on this issue……I have a VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION…..why is no one discussing all of us women who have been sexually assaulted and sexually abused are now required to go into locker rooms and women’s spaces where we undress and men can just walk in at will????????
THIS IS NO JOKE!! I’ll never go to the gym again!!!
As a logical man, thats what we are fighting for, woman's rights essentially, you can call yourself whatever you want but if you have a penis you use the mens facilities.
I agree with you 100%. But I also hope that you continue healing from this tragedy so that you feel safer in more places. violence is the nasty gift that keeps giving more nasty gifts.… Because the memory lingers on. There are therapies that help remove traumatic reactions to triggers. I have benefited a lot from one of these therapies. it was a blend of EMDR and thought field therapy and prayer, and now I don't have deep stress reactions to the triggers. I don't recall what the current statistics are, but when I was in nursing school during the psych lecture we were taught that one and 10 women were victims of sexual assault. I Remember Counting the number of people in my class which were nearly all women, and then counting The number of women that stayed after to talk to the professor about their sexual assault stories. And it was about 10% of the class. So any time you are at the gym in the ladies locker room, that same statistic is probably true. All the more reason to let the women's locker room be the women's locker room and ONLY that.
To be fair, people are discussing that and have been. I’m not trying to be a jerk, but I don’t really follow these discussions very much and even I know they are being had. Case in point, and I forget the female swimmers name, but when the collegiate biological male swimmer was “trans”(and I use wires because at the time there was no surgery)and competing against women there were some who spoke out about that. And very vocally. That’s just one example, and this female who spoke out even went and testified to congress or some hearing and was on the JRE podcast. It was not a small thing. There are many of these discussions being had, all over. It’s a valid point and one that should be taken seriously, because there are men out there who are and have been abusing the trans movement for that specific purpose. I don’t know how many or the stats, but it’s happened. But the discussion is there and being had on all levels.
@@georgen5882 - resolutions are being made at the grassroots level that will be forwarded to state party conventions on this topic. And hopefully the right lawmakers are in place to put a stop to this abuse. my personal take that gender dysphoria is a mental disorder that shouldn't be pandered to, and the same way that I don't reinforce hallucinations in patients. Reality is usually the best solution to problems understanding reality. But if we continue to have this trans movement, then there needs to be a way to group the athletes more fairly, like handicapping horses in the races, or putting fighters into different weight classes. Because a trans man (female) Competing against a trans woman (male), is also at a disadvantage. frankly, I don't even like to use terms like trans man because it's just such a dishonest thing to say. she is a female. Very messed up female, granted, but she's not a man and never will be. And vice versa. I would love to replace the trans persons radical self rejection with positive embrace and ownership of their own true biology, Instead of living a lie because they are confused.
There is another important place to - women shelters.
I identify as a bastard, but my parents keep insisting that they are married.
LOL!!
Top comment!!!!!🤣
Saying "the trans activitist idioligy is saying i am a women makes them a woman" is a fallacy a hasty generalisation fallacy and that is not how a trans activist or the law defines it. Self-identification is not just about saying "I am a woman" . For instance. by definition trans acknowledges there is a difference between sex and gender.
"Simplicity solves this" - I have been saying this for literally years before this blew up and was treated as a crazy conspiracy theorist!
perhaps that's because not everything in life is always simple...
I’m NOT “cis”. I’ll get mad if anyone dare ever misgender me as cis. I am a woman. That’s what I was born as. That’s how I identify. NOT “cis”. Ffs!
cis means "not trans" essentially, it's just an adjective, and doesn't ascribe a gender.
@@ymir2275And?
@@ymir2275 I know, but it has connotations which I don’t accept. Basically I just do not identify as cis.
@@wardygrub That is completely fine. I will generally use it when a conversation is benefitted by making the distinction.
@@ymir2275 I can't begin to imagine any context in which using "cis" would be beneficial, or even necessary.
"I think, therefore I am", has now become "I feel, therefore I am".
That's because no one can tell the difference between "think" and "feel" anymore, except occasionally to suggest that "thinking" is something-or-other-isn't (depending on the day and the thought).
Every trans woman is a woman.
Why are bathrooms shared spaces? I'd rather people not know I am human and have to poop occasionally.
Its not saying the words, its how convincingly adamant you are when you say them.
The CIS thing is both manipulative and, frankly, evidence of a sense of entitlement to not only select their own labels but to also impose labels upon others. Meaning, demanding others acknowledge and respect their self-identification while denying others equal entitlement to do the same.
I love this point SO MUCH
It's unnecessary linguistic apartheid. No one is a subset of their own sex.
All of it assumes that "gender identity" is a thing. My sex is not an identity, my skin colour is not an identity, just like my height is not my identity, and my shoe size is not my identity. They are just biological realities. They invented this idea that everything is an identity (even a mental health diagnosis is an identity these days), and then they try to solves this identity problem that they themselves created to begin with.
It's replacement. Women and men are ciswomen and cismen, Transwomem and transmen are women and men.
Truth! And well spoken at that!
Poor Tom pulled all his back muscles trying to do so many backflips to make the trans "logic" work.
...and trying to avoid being cancelled
@@lechenaultia5863 yep, aren't we all
Who is this guy???
No such thing as trans logic.
@@andrewfoster4359 a successful businessman (worth about half a billion) who's dedicating his life to self-improvement, health and longevity. and a guy tiptoeing the f out of the cancellation line (as @lechenaultia5863 said above)
"I think therfore I am" - that is their mentality
Most of the discussion was Tom Bilyue stating that he might be misunderstood. I prefer that people just get to the point of things. Feelings are subjective, facts (science) are objective. We are made of both, but cannot allow ourselves to be ruled and governed by the feeling brain....what a mess we'd all be in and it seems that that is exactly where we are headed.