“We just wanna put this to rest On a side note I can’t believe Selen would treat us the way she is, I mean, look at all our projects, we can’t be evil”
I have a question for anyone who may know the answer. Shu is my oshi. I have liked him ever since I got into Nijisanji EN. I'm scared eventually a target will be put on his back one way or another.... Does anyone know if there are any current reasons as to why that might happen? Like things he did in the past?
@@CrimsonDawn-ou4og If he keeps being away from the drama he will be okay, being the only Luxiem member to not participate in Elira's stream he is safe as the people are focusing on the ones on the stream and whoever in Niji can't keep their mouths zipped. Tbh he is one (if not the most) intelligent Niji en talent, so he's been careful and hasn't feed the flames, unlike Yu Q. or Uki.
@@CrimsonDawn-ou4og if i remember correctly, he was also seen on the same groupchat screenshot from the past 'Discord leak' incident which Vox & Millie is also involved btw. his words there were relatively neutral. . only thing i wanna personally say is that I hope you dont invest into it too much (for now until proven clean) and just dont get too parasocial. it doesnt give you any happy ending, pretty much ALWAYS. it'll just hurt even more if ever the 'worst of your fears' comes to reality.
I don't normally quote the Bible, but this Nijisanji drama storm reminds me of Hosea 8:7... "For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind. The standing grain has no heads; it shall yield no flour; if it were to yield, strangers would devour it." It's *shockingly* fitting that the only piece of good PR Niji's had was immediately nuked by a few random people provoking NijiEN talent into making new controversies or reigniting the Selen termination drama
"By talking about bad things, you make them worse." No. If people didn't do bad things to begin with, they wouldn't need to be discussed. And since they do exist, they MUST be discussed. Honest and open conversation is the best disinfectant on crap like this. People trying to blame someone for words rather than holding the original source of the problem accountable for actions is someone trying to cover stuff up.
The reason Uki is doing all that he is doing is not because he is inexperienced in dealing with this. It is the fact that he has not yet realized, or more likely come to terms that more and more people are pushing back against his and 39Daph's ideologies. The fact that they both have said what they did about certain groups of people for the past few years is because they could get away with it with no backlash. And if they did they would silence them in various ways. However people are now more aware of these tactics and are not letting it slide as much. He is just getting called out for his crap behavior, which should of happened back then.
It helps that both of them are relative nobodies who most people probaly never heard of before this, and only discovered they existed and what massive assholes they are from them trying to attach themselves to this drama.
the problem all celebrities and internet personalities of reputation have is simple Narcissism and the belief that they are above reproach or consequence
Dont forget this dude....wilson.....was the one who tried to steal fanart to use as his mascot. He only did anything about it once he was called out and even then the initial response was to bully the artist in question to get them to give up the rights to the art without even credit. Dude only loves artists now because the company said he does.
Thats not what happened though? yes he took insipration from it and didnt credit them which was a dick move, but he never bullied anyone into giving up the rights to the art, he even suggested changing it if the artist was not comfortable with him using it. Idk where u got the bullying thing from. The situation was handled professionally and respectfully by both the sides. I get the frustration and the fact that what he did was wrong, but let's not exaggerate and straight up lie about things cus thats not right either 💀(Some of yall are just straight up unreasonable 💀)
I think this was a thing where they took submissions but the submissions would then be declared ownership of nijisanji. This has some up before and just seems to be a practice niji does for free work.
An idea is not a design, he PLAGERIZED when he failed to contact/credit the original artist and got another artist to just copy AND REPLACE HER with only minor tweaks. People trying to downplay his disgusting actions and say he did a good job when he only did the bare minimum to comply with the law AFTER people called him out. Wilson has not done anything up and beyond to make things better for artists, and should not be trying to ride this art PR train.
@@psykyKunai had fan submissions too, but she properly credited the artist who drew the mascot she chose, I followed this in real time. Yes, livers can use fanart for free according to TOS, but as we can see with kunai not all livers are ENTITLED pieces of shit that take fanart and designs for granted without crediting at the very least and think artists are easily REPLACABLE.
What's infuriating to me about this specific case is when people agree that the bait comment that Wilson got equals harassment. Are we really defining a simple troll bait comment without even any malice in wording as harassment? In my eyes, this downplays the horrors of actual harassment a lot and makes the word lose any meaning. Do NOT equate what Doki went through that caused her to attempt to end her life twice or what Sayu went through that she's still recovering from even a year later to a simple Twitter troll comment. What those girls went through was harassment and bullying (and more in some regards). What Wilson went through is being dumb, getting baited and not knowing when to keep his mouth shut.
fucking thank you. twitter freaks spent the last several years trying to equate trolling and harassment. it undermines real victims, both their experience and credibility. and its disgusting how many people went along with it. real news media published articles playing into this sh*t.
I disagree that the tweet calling out Wilson’s hypocrisy and bad taste counts as “harassment”. It’s gotten to where people call any statement that they dislike harassment.
like that niji fan artist that said she was harassed at her booth because people whispered about the company (nijisanji) or tried to stop their friends from buying Niji art (since even if no money goes to Niji, it is still helping them indirectly. Artist is still complicit). None of what they described was actual harassement or bullying, yet people acted like she had gone through the worst thing a human being could ever experience......
You have to be pretty dumb to have friends who are Vtubers. So you can't expect much from Nux. You just have to be glad that he isn't your coworker that you have to fix all their work.
They want to be victims so bad. “Talking about our objectively bad actions is harassment1!1 we’re rich and influencers we shouldn’t have consequences1!1 How dare you tell people you’d do business w them if they ditched up?! Boycotts are harassment!1!1”. What losers.
7:35 Remember how every single Holo simp trashed on Connor and (and by extension Mori) just for saying Holo gives you a platform? But yeah, now that you mention it, it's incredible how well Holo talents handle these kinds of situations in comparison with Niji talents.
The holo girls are also really good at doing clap backs too, most are really profesional about it like Mori when she got those superchats moralizing at her early on. Or very subtle but hillarious to people in the know like Gura's taunting a certain moralizer by including subtle taunts in thumbnails or retweeting old fanart they were complaining about.
That Doki took it too far? Last I checked she did literally nothing and originally wasn't even intending to start any sort of drama with Nijisanji however because Nijisanji couldn't get their heads out of their asses they ended up saying, doing and are STILL doing stupid things that are continuously getting them and their talent in trouble. It would be one thing if Doki was actively speaking out against Nijisanji and all her former friends and work associates...but she's not, from the very beginning she just wanted to move on from what happened but she wasn't allowed a peaceful exit. Essentially if Niji had just shut the f up and let her leave without saying anything then she wouldn't have said anything and the majority of people probably wouldn't know even HALF of what we know now thanks to Nijisanji's continuous streak of bizarre choices. As for the talents themselves...while I understand that most of them are probable innocent and don't deserve most of the hate and harassment coming their way, however I stand by my opinion that if they choose to side with Nijisanji over their supposed friend who tried to end herself then...I'm sorry but you'd better be ready to face the consequences for your actions. The moment a innocent woman who is well known for doing good things tries to end herself is the moment I lose any small amount of sympathy I could have had for you. We almost lost a good person in this world because of that company and those who work for it, that is a *FACT* that should *NEVER* be forgotten.
The way I see it there are 3 kinds of Niji Talents, the definitely good ones like Scarle who can't do much without losing their job. the innocent ones like Rosemi who don't really have anything that would paint them as being an asshole that would be responsible and trying to keep their heads down to avoid Niji fucking with them, and the Complicit who are pro-actively going out of their way to try and defend the company or have done really shitty things on the company's behalf. This would be the Elira, Vox, and Ike for the call out stream, Millie for constantly making terrible excuses for Niji, and Finana for knifing Sayu in the back.
Nah Uki is racist, its pretty easy to tell how, lets think for a second if somebody who makes edgy/offensive jokes is confronted what is the universal response? Think about it...right "oh theyre just jokes, no hate here" something like that, what was Uki's? They doubled down because thats how actually hateful people react
How far out old people gonna walk from their homes? Not fifty fucking miles so you're obviously on their turf. And if it's their street why TF you acting like it's weird. Not to mention they're old as fuck so they been living like that for twice as long as you've been alive no doubt, you're the weirdo bringing your values into their home
@@aethertoast4320 That was fucking weird to me. I get being so anti-social you dislike when people greet you, but he talked about it like he genuinely didn't understand why a stranger would say hello... Like he saw someone talking about being socially awkward when people say hello and tried way too hard to identify with that person, then decided to segue straight into racism because that's a more natural topic for him.
The old people comment locked it for me, bringing race into that is first of all just weird,2nd of all very shitty since they were just being polite god what an immature kid
No one doubted the Livers love artists. What’s really sick is Niji, who have a history of not respecting or paying artists, using their talents to try and cover up their despicable behavior. All because it’s hitting them in the wallet now.
I'm doubtful of some of them, apparently the Wilson guy started using some art from a fanartist without crediting them then when it was pointed out just pressured the guy into giving him the rights so he wouldn't have to credit him.
2 specific points of PR i have read from shit somewhere 1. What the Company thinks isn't always what the Audience thinks 2. When the Company and the Audience fights, the Company loses in the end. I think these 2 main points along with other points in PR basics isn't ingrained on NijiEN's PR personnel and needed to be fired.
I love how Wilson is like "you're getting your info from dramatubers" and delivers it like he's some sort of snark god and this is some winning "got'cha" moment. When he's absolutelty wrong. Also I do agree, NijisanjiEN talents are in large numbers just very sheltered, and thus don't know that you don't feed the troll. Tho being adults on the internet, I'd think they would know that already. I'm not a youtuber or any sort of big content creator or anything. But I do get bated in youtube comments and such...by just well being on internet and expressing my opinion. and I never bothered to reply. Because it's not worth the energy and effort.
Most of the "hate" the niji talents have been receiving isn't even aimed at them in anyway. They simply put themselves into the line of fire. I've seen far too many comments to count saying "I like you but I can't support the company".
I'll give some of the Niji talent the benefit of the doubt that they're very aware niji will come down on them like a cartoon anvil if they are too forward with the faults of the company and bad experiences. Or if they fail to toe the company lines.
also "if you talk about something bad it's gonna make it worse" is playing into every corrupt and evil person's/company's hand. They WANT people to stop talking about it so that people forget, and that no consequences come towards them. That they DON'T have to take accountability bc nobody will be asking for it. That's what they mean by "making it worse"...accountabilty and consequences. and as society we HAVE to hold people esp people who are in position of power accountable for bad shit they do.
LOVED the "VIIIINDI--CAY--TION!!" line and powerup effect! Just enjoying watching you watching the fallout. Thanks for you coverage of events. Have been supporting Doki since her comeback early and watch the comeback and some truly good and wholesome messages from humanity. Genuinely wholesome content. And only learned about Sayu from your coverage. Supporting her too felt like it was a part of some kind of great cosmic balance act. Thanks for your coverage nuxxy-boi. Awareness is really important, I hope more people can just adopt the 'sit back and watch this shitshow while supporting the people they believe in.'
*just woke up 10 minutes ago, made a pot of coffee and sat down and this is the first thing in my feed* You couldn't even wait till my coffee was brewed and in my belly Nux...
It’s like when you tell someone to not look down what do they do they look down anyways. Nux you’re probably going to like or be disgusted even more of NijiSanji from the blue squirrel’s most recent video on NijiSanji
Nijisanji has basically become PATRICK in that SpongeBob episode when they were painting MR.CRAB’S house….. Nux: I don’t think this Drama Bubble couldn’t get any bigger…. Nijisanji: NONSENSE!!!! (Begins to pump more air into the Drama Bubble.)
8:48 holy shit did he actually wrote that? My god he placed a mine and immediately jumped on it with both legs! 17:49 if I ever learn anything from school bulling and straight up gang ups on my skinny ass, is that I can’t talk back for shit. And I stoped talking back. Yes I lose the battle after battle if someone with speech 10 dunks my shit, but I never let situation got even worse. So let’s hope Wilson will get how twitter works sooner, rather then later.
The thing is, bait and trolls will always exist. Whether "dramatubers" post or not, there will be people that are upset or think it's funny will try to get a response, and as you said Nux, they should learn to either not response, or actually clown right back.
0:17 omg I just realised how long I've been watching you. I remember like 2 years after I started watching you you said you were 25. I've been watching you for about 5 years. Omg what a hell of a ride.
Just herd on Legal Eagle in his live stream say you two have been talking but can't talk about the Nijisanji stuff together, too bad. Also didn't know you had that much reach, cool dude. *Back to watching video.*
I love nux while saying he's just sitting their and watching the chaos unfold he still manages to give great commentary while being sincere and funny at the same time
It's such an obvious attempt to look good when their company is crumbling apart. I can't believe i'm saying this but doing nothing and just let it pass is a better move.
... Are they just incapable of shutting up? I mean, my god... Anyone with half an ounce of sense would have realized that they need to shut up about anything even remotely controversial and certainly not fan the fires of their own dumpster fire that's raging in the company. I wonder if it's possible to make a facepalm meme that's large enough to sum up Niji and their talents at this point?
when you say "don't harrass the talents, it means the opposite in some people's minds". People will still harrass people because reality hasn't fully smacked them hard enough. Twitter is full of toxic, sociopathes and psychopathes who don't know how to interact with normal people. I mean i'm a bit nuts myself but i atleast have some actual social skills.
I’ve never heard of Selen until this drama but I’m glad she’s doing much better now. Anyways it’s entertaining watching the drama. It’s like they know exactly what they should do to correct this situation but purposely ignore it and do the exact opposite of what they should do.
Nijisanji fans have no idea that if they really want to hurt Nux they need to just not pay attention to him. He has always thrived on negativity even more than on positivity, so Nijisanji fans make him more powerful and more popular by hating on him.
I fully agree with nux that while speaking out is the correct thing in this situation, "silence is violence" doesn't really apply here. The innocent people in niji might just be biting their tongue waiting for their turn in the graduation queue since they don't want a sin list like zaion's and selen's (nousagi mentioned that one of false's contacts informed him about "sin lists" that management is keeping about *everyone* in niji that they can publish in case of a termination), or they might be trying to stay in the company since they haven't built up their following enough to jump to being an indie yet (the obvious example is vivi, idk her PL but with under 100k subs she may not want to abandon the yacht and go indie until it's sunken a bit more and/or she has enough of a following that will transfer over and i don't blame her), or they may even be in the company and acting like they're going along with the bullshit while actually leaking stuff to false and khyo and the others. Also even if you want to talk there are legal things binding you and preventing you from doing so (NDA, non disparagement clause etc). That said i'd point out these defenses mostly work for the people within niji en. The guys who already jumped ship are mostly staying silent on the matter (except doki and obviously sayu), and then you get kuro vaguely doomposting but without any actual info. Of course just like the omes inside niji the rainbow retirees can be silent without it being violence, i'm just pointing out that excluding the legal stuff they don't have much to fear from niji since they're already out.
There is a big difference between harassment and criticism. If you make a public statement, you open yourself to public criticism. Make an obviously scripted corporate PR statement and expect to be called out for it.
Honestly, I don't think Wilson is alone in these thoughts, I'm willing to bet a good chunk of the Niji livers share this sentiment unfortunately. Nux makes a good point here, these guys go into Niji with like no following and most of them are just handed an ultra dedicated fanbase for "free" (minus all the expenses they're responsible for lol) I'm willing to bet most of these livers covet Nijisanji for giving them a platform and a following. it would honestly not surprise me some of these talents even harbor resentment towards Zaion and Selen for whistleblowing
I think just about everyone has had a job they hated and worked for a company they despised, but they needed the money and/or the personal pros outweighed the cons. Most of the people who work/worked for Nijisanji weren't making a lot of money beforehand, and Dokibird/Selen herself was not a popular streamer, and like them or not, it's in large part because of Nijisanji's influence that she's as successful as she in now (even if they did little beyond giving her a platform). What I'm trying to say is that harassing employees is a jerk move, in part because the majority of the livers probably dislike Nijisanji, but they signed a contract, and they probably need the money. With that said, the livers REALLY should be lying low, ignoring social media, and doing what they can to support Doki and other livers behind the scenes, and saying encouraging things on social media when they do post. Don't get baited, and don't stick your neck out for people (Nijisanji) who wouldn't do the same for you. I've been a mildly writer on the internet for about a decade now, and that's helped refine and smooth the rough edges of my internet discourse. I've gotten a lot of hate, and the best thing to do is usually ignore it. Also, genuinely being kind to others, thoughtful, and being slow to anger helps as well. God bless, and take care, everyone.
Those 3 people that publicly spoke to defend Nijisanji and bully Selen deserve it. Frankly, I think fans and employers should have some level of knowledge that allows them to avoid supporting those 3 in any way. Be it their dox or some sort of tracker. Even if they left and disavowed their actions now, I would still want to actively avoid giving them a view.
The Venn diagram of people who need to be told not to harass people and those who will do it anyway is almost a perfect circle. Reasonable people understand harassment is bad, and no dramatuber or whatever we're calling them need to constantly warn people not to do it.
Nux! Whenever i personally need a based, facts, bottom line take on anything or anyone... Nux is who i always turn to! Love ya Nux, you're the best bro!
this company has so few people that actually know how to handle this kind of problem. Vanta has come out on top with that absolutely banging tweet about Elden Ring and the reply to the sex bot. Alban has done a good job by just staying in his own lane, unproblematic as always, Rosemi and Petra went p silent, etc.
nux if saw this comment you should check uki debut stream and go to the part where he mentioned he have heterochromia before he said heterochromia that he said heterophobia like literally. its like he planned that. FORESHADOWING???🤨🤨🧐
The fastest way to make your displeasure known is to tell them that you will not be financially supporting them anymore and then delineating the reason why. You do so in a very businesslike manner and then you move on.
If they were staying silent it would be one thing, but from what I've seen the others haven't been silent, they have actively participated in the situation. That, to me, is a very big difference, I can understand someone trying to keep their job by not speaking out against it, I can't understand actively putting down someone else to keep their job. If for instance Doki did end up taking her own life, the ones that participated wouldn't be forgiveable because they wanted to keep their job.
I don’t want to jinx it but I haven’t seen Fulgur Ovid respond to anyone though we both have the same tastes in books and stuff. And he’s the only one I’m still following.
22:58 Unironically very well-reflected Nuxanor moment. On one hand, you have the take that it's absolutely spineless to keep your mouth shut about this whole thing. Since the story of harassment has sorta been backed by both sides, its seems likely that it's true. And that is disgusting. Niji as a company absolutely deserves to be torn a new one. And you could say that the livers are cowards for not standing up and talking about this. But on the other hand, if I was in their situation, I don't actually know what In would do. My background is probably different. I definitely will lead a different life, as it's unlikely I'll even become a content creator ever. And their life seems cushy and nice. They might fear the repercussion of speaking up too. That doesn't make it right, but it is understandable. It is possible that them leaving the company would solicit support from the crowd, and perhaps it's the better PR move for a liver long-term. But they don't know that for sure, and it'd suck for me if I just walked outta there feeling good about myself and then seeing there was no audience to support me. And it kinda feels like the ship has sailed for that to happen.
its wild to see that in todays time, the shittiest people can live in the upper class of society, whereas the honest and hard working being put down. Im not one that watch a lot of drama, but i swear ever since this niji-got-bukkake fest, its been a crazy and wild journey. Also even if they keep trying to sweep everything, it aint gonna happen, like they cant shut up, tho i feel its hard for them to do when they have such massive ego and thinks they are better. Its a sad sight, but yeah this is one of those moments where some humans have some of the worst things hidden on their closet.
Nijistans: “Dramatubers bad”
Dramatubers: “There wouldn’t be drama if Niji didn’t keep fucking up.”
Typical crybully behavior.
Rather believe the Drama tubers at that point.
Everyone else: "Who was the group that exposed that there was a clique of livers that bullied Selen? It wasn't Khyo, FalseEyeD, or even Coffeezilla."
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣facts
Nijisanji: "Oh no! A fire!"
Also Nijisanji: *pouring gasoline* "anyway so-"
Also nijisanji: warukunai yo ne?
“We just wanna put this to rest
On a side note I can’t believe Selen would treat us the way she is, I mean, look at all our projects, we can’t be evil”
They're not pouring gas! They're throwing the whole container in that fire!
^o^
Niji:we got new products! But buy buy!..what? No not bye as I’m good bye buy as in buy bish!
this is the second worst thing that happened to them
Community: 'Dont Harrass other livers talents..'
Dramatubers: 'pls dont harass other talents'
Nijisanji: 'dont harass other people...but SELEN!'
More like:
Niji: Let us show you how it's done. *Post Livestream*
It's not harassment when we bully people. It's harassment when people talk about it. -Nijisanji
I have a question for anyone who may know the answer. Shu is my oshi. I have liked him ever since I got into Nijisanji EN. I'm scared eventually a target will be put on his back one way or another.... Does anyone know if there are any current reasons as to why that might happen? Like things he did in the past?
@@CrimsonDawn-ou4og If he keeps being away from the drama he will be okay, being the only Luxiem member to not participate in Elira's stream he is safe as the people are focusing on the ones on the stream and whoever in Niji can't keep their mouths zipped.
Tbh he is one (if not the most) intelligent Niji en talent, so he's been careful and hasn't feed the flames, unlike Yu Q. or Uki.
@@CrimsonDawn-ou4og if i remember correctly, he was also seen on the same groupchat screenshot from the past 'Discord leak' incident which Vox & Millie is also involved btw. his words there were relatively neutral.
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only thing i wanna personally say is that I hope you dont invest into it too much (for now until proven clean) and just dont get too parasocial. it doesnt give you any happy ending, pretty much ALWAYS. it'll just hurt even more if ever the 'worst of your fears' comes to reality.
I don't normally quote the Bible, but this Nijisanji drama storm reminds me of Hosea 8:7... "For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind. The standing grain has no heads; it shall yield no flour; if it were to yield, strangers would devour it." It's *shockingly* fitting that the only piece of good PR Niji's had was immediately nuked by a few random people provoking NijiEN talent into making new controversies or reigniting the Selen termination drama
Well this is a PR disaster of biblical proportions lol
The laws of sowing and reaping are undefeated.
Yea, we wept, when we remember Zaion...
It is written and the word of God is alive
JDON MY SOUL 🙏
"By talking about bad things, you make them worse."
No. If people didn't do bad things to begin with, they wouldn't need to be discussed. And since they do exist, they MUST be discussed. Honest and open conversation is the best disinfectant on crap like this. People trying to blame someone for words rather than holding the original source of the problem accountable for actions is someone trying to cover stuff up.
"let's be civil" - the words nobody said when talents other than selen were getting their shit kicked in.
The reason Uki is doing all that he is doing is not because he is inexperienced in dealing with this. It is the fact that he has not yet realized, or more likely come to terms that more and more people are pushing back against his and 39Daph's ideologies. The fact that they both have said what they did about certain groups of people for the past few years is because they could get away with it with no backlash. And if they did they would silence them in various ways. However people are now more aware of these tactics and are not letting it slide as much. He is just getting called out for his crap behavior, which should of happened back then.
It helps that both of them are relative nobodies who most people probaly never heard of before this, and only discovered they existed and what massive assholes they are from them trying to attach themselves to this drama.
the problem all celebrities and internet personalities of reputation have is simple
Narcissism and the belief that they are above reproach or consequence
Dont forget this dude....wilson.....was the one who tried to steal fanart to use as his mascot. He only did anything about it once he was called out and even then the initial response was to bully the artist in question to get them to give up the rights to the art without even credit. Dude only loves artists now because the company said he does.
Thats not what happened though? yes he took insipration from it and didnt credit them which was a dick move, but he never bullied anyone into giving up the rights to the art, he even suggested changing it if the artist was not comfortable with him using it. Idk where u got the bullying thing from. The situation was handled professionally and respectfully by both the sides. I get the frustration and the fact that what he did was wrong, but let's not exaggerate and straight up lie about things cus thats not right either 💀(Some of yall are just straight up unreasonable 💀)
He took 10 weeks of silence to backtrack for something as silly as that, a decent person would've settled it the next day
I think this was a thing where they took submissions but the submissions would then be declared ownership of nijisanji. This has some up before and just seems to be a practice niji does for free work.
An idea is not a design, he PLAGERIZED when he failed to contact/credit the original artist and got another artist to just copy AND REPLACE HER with only minor tweaks.
People trying to downplay his disgusting actions and say he did a good job when he only did the bare minimum to comply with the law AFTER people called him out.
Wilson has not done anything up and beyond to make things better for artists, and should not be trying to ride this art PR train.
@@psykyKunai had fan submissions too, but she properly credited the artist who drew the mascot she chose, I followed this in real time.
Yes, livers can use fanart for free according to TOS, but as we can see with kunai not all livers are ENTITLED pieces of shit that take fanart and designs for granted without crediting at the very least and think artists are easily REPLACABLE.
What's infuriating to me about this specific case is when people agree that the bait comment that Wilson got equals harassment. Are we really defining a simple troll bait comment without even any malice in wording as harassment? In my eyes, this downplays the horrors of actual harassment a lot and makes the word lose any meaning. Do NOT equate what Doki went through that caused her to attempt to end her life twice or what Sayu went through that she's still recovering from even a year later to a simple Twitter troll comment. What those girls went through was harassment and bullying (and more in some regards). What Wilson went through is being dumb, getting baited and not knowing when to keep his mouth shut.
fucking thank you.
twitter freaks spent the last several years trying to equate trolling and harassment.
it undermines real victims, both their experience and credibility. and its disgusting how many people went along with it. real news media published articles playing into this sh*t.
I disagree that the tweet calling out Wilson’s hypocrisy and bad taste counts as “harassment”. It’s gotten to where people call any statement that they dislike harassment.
I mean… it was like that like 1 year ago… even earlier.
like that niji fan artist that said she was harassed at her booth because people whispered about the company (nijisanji) or tried to stop their friends from buying Niji art (since even if no money goes to Niji, it is still helping them indirectly. Artist is still complicit).
None of what they described was actual harassement or bullying, yet people acted like she had gone through the worst thing a human being could ever experience......
its certainly unfortunate. And people should be careful about guilt by association, but yeah not harassment@@GravitasZero
They talked to me. Harassment. They didn't talk to me. Harassment. White people being nice. Harassment.
You have to be pretty dumb to have friends who are Vtubers. So you can't expect much from Nux. You just have to be glad that he isn't your coworker that you have to fix all their work.
They want to be victims so bad. “Talking about our objectively bad actions is harassment1!1 we’re rich and influencers we shouldn’t have consequences1!1 How dare you tell people you’d do business w them if they ditched up?! Boycotts are harassment!1!1”. What losers.
I like listening to this drama feed on my commute so I can also yell “VINDICATION!” in my truck and laugh.
7:35 Remember how every single Holo simp trashed on Connor and (and by extension Mori) just for saying Holo gives you a platform? But yeah, now that you mention it, it's incredible how well Holo talents handle these kinds of situations in comparison with Niji talents.
Some of them have been around for years before joining hololive.
The holo girls are also really good at doing clap backs too, most are really profesional about it like Mori when she got those superchats moralizing at her early on. Or very subtle but hillarious to people in the know like Gura's taunting a certain moralizer by including subtle taunts in thumbnails or retweeting old fanart they were complaining about.
@@TomerocheYou mean Brittany Venti?
@@rabnadskubla8594 we do not speak evils name lest we risk inviting it in.
That Doki took it too far? Last I checked she did literally nothing and originally wasn't even intending to start any sort of drama with Nijisanji however because Nijisanji couldn't get their heads out of their asses they ended up saying, doing and are STILL doing stupid things that are continuously getting them and their talent in trouble. It would be one thing if Doki was actively speaking out against Nijisanji and all her former friends and work associates...but she's not, from the very beginning she just wanted to move on from what happened but she wasn't allowed a peaceful exit.
Essentially if Niji had just shut the f up and let her leave without saying anything then she wouldn't have said anything and the majority of people probably wouldn't know even HALF of what we know now thanks to Nijisanji's continuous streak of bizarre choices.
As for the talents themselves...while I understand that most of them are probable innocent and don't deserve most of the hate and harassment coming their way, however I stand by my opinion that if they choose to side with Nijisanji over their supposed friend who tried to end herself then...I'm sorry but you'd better be ready to face the consequences for your actions. The moment a innocent woman who is well known for doing good things tries to end herself is the moment I lose any small amount of sympathy I could have had for you. We almost lost a good person in this world because of that company and those who work for it, that is a *FACT* that should *NEVER* be forgotten.
The way I see it there are 3 kinds of Niji Talents, the definitely good ones like Scarle who can't do much without losing their job. the innocent ones like Rosemi who don't really have anything that would paint them as being an asshole that would be responsible and trying to keep their heads down to avoid Niji fucking with them, and the Complicit who are pro-actively going out of their way to try and defend the company or have done really shitty things on the company's behalf. This would be the Elira, Vox, and Ike for the call out stream, Millie for constantly making terrible excuses for Niji, and Finana for knifing Sayu in the back.
Nah Uki is racist, its pretty easy to tell how, lets think for a second if somebody who makes edgy/offensive jokes is confronted what is the universal response? Think about it...right "oh theyre just jokes, no hate here" something like that, what was Uki's? They doubled down because thats how actually hateful people react
The story of old people saying hi to him on the street and sweater comments really cement that Uki isn't joking, but legitimately racist.
How far out old people gonna walk from their homes? Not fifty fucking miles so you're obviously on their turf. And if it's their street why TF you acting like it's weird.
Not to mention they're old as fuck so they been living like that for twice as long as you've been alive no doubt, you're the weirdo bringing your values into their home
@@aethertoast4320 That was fucking weird to me. I get being so anti-social you dislike when people greet you, but he talked about it like he genuinely didn't understand why a stranger would say hello... Like he saw someone talking about being socially awkward when people say hello and tried way too hard to identify with that person, then decided to segue straight into racism because that's a more natural topic for him.
The old people comment locked it for me, bringing race into that is first of all just weird,2nd of all very shitty since they were just being polite god what an immature kid
No one doubted the Livers love artists. What’s really sick is Niji, who have a history of not respecting or paying artists, using their talents to try and cover up their despicable behavior. All because it’s hitting them in the wallet now.
I'm doubtful of some of them, apparently the Wilson guy started using some art from a fanartist without crediting them then when it was pointed out just pressured the guy into giving him the rights so he wouldn't have to credit him.
@@Tomerochehe didn’t pressure the artist tho. They discussed and then the artist was given credit
Nijisanji being like "You know what this fire needs? More fuel and oil."
For dramatubers to cover something... There needs to be drama. That fire doesn't just appear out of nowhere.
2 specific points of PR i have read from shit somewhere
1. What the Company thinks isn't always what the Audience thinks
2. When the Company and the Audience fights, the Company loses in the end.
I think these 2 main points along with other points in PR basics isn't ingrained on NijiEN's PR personnel and needed to be fired.
I love how Wilson is like "you're getting your info from dramatubers" and delivers it like he's some sort of snark god and this is some winning "got'cha" moment. When he's absolutelty wrong. Also I do agree, NijisanjiEN talents are in large numbers just very sheltered, and thus don't know that you don't feed the troll. Tho being adults on the internet, I'd think they would know that already. I'm not a youtuber or any sort of big content creator or anything. But I do get bated in youtube comments and such...by just well being on internet and expressing my opinion. and I never bothered to reply. Because it's not worth the energy and effort.
Most of the "hate" the niji talents have been receiving isn't even aimed at them in anyway. They simply put themselves into the line of fire.
I've seen far too many comments to count saying "I like you but I can't support the company".
Also Niji: *holding a gun to their talent's head* "now real the line Bart!"
Drama = free Nux Video
Now that the law of equivalent exchange in motion
I'll give some of the Niji talent the benefit of the doubt that they're very aware niji will come down on them like a cartoon anvil if they are too forward with the faults of the company and bad experiences. Or if they fail to toe the company lines.
also "if you talk about something bad it's gonna make it worse" is playing into every corrupt and evil person's/company's hand. They WANT people to stop talking about it so that people forget, and that no consequences come towards them. That they DON'T have to take accountability bc nobody will be asking for it. That's what they mean by "making it worse"...accountabilty and consequences. and as society we HAVE to hold people esp people who are in position of power accountable for bad shit they do.
Nux you are exactly what the voice in my head sounds ilke PREACH ON!!
LOVED the "VIIIINDI--CAY--TION!!" line and powerup effect!
Just enjoying watching you watching the fallout. Thanks for you coverage of events. Have been supporting Doki since her comeback early and watch the comeback and some truly good and wholesome messages from humanity. Genuinely wholesome content. And only learned about Sayu from your coverage. Supporting her too felt like it was a part of some kind of great cosmic balance act.
Thanks for your coverage nuxxy-boi. Awareness is really important, I hope more people can just adopt the 'sit back and watch this shitshow while supporting the people they believe in.'
*just woke up 10 minutes ago, made a pot of coffee and sat down and this is the first thing in my feed*
You couldn't even wait till my coffee was brewed and in my belly Nux...
same, what a good way to start the day
GUYS WAKE UP NUX POSTED‼️
Bro you're the most entertaining dramatuber I've watched. Your model fits you perfectly too. Honestly a cool dude.
Just finished watching the video and damn all I see is W takes everywhere.
This dude is both hilarious and wholesome but in a weird way which I don't hate. I swear I'm not gay, I just wish I was as cool as he is 😂
I notice the edit of this video is kinda different from other videos in a good way kinda funny., nux commentary is going extreme hahaha. I like it.
It’s like when you tell someone to not look down what do they do they look down anyways. Nux you’re probably going to like or be disgusted even more of NijiSanji from the blue squirrel’s most recent video on NijiSanji
"Silence is complicity."
You know what counters that.
"You have the right to remains silent, anything you do or say will be used against you." lmao
Nijisanji has basically become PATRICK in that SpongeBob episode when they were painting MR.CRAB’S house…..
Nux: I don’t think this Drama Bubble couldn’t get any bigger….
Nijisanji: NONSENSE!!!! (Begins to pump more air into the Drama Bubble.)
I speak for the trees
For the trees have no tongues
I speak with my fists
And I speak to your lungs
To me The most hilarious part of this specific case is the fact Wilson got his cheeks clapped by Community Notes of all things
6:51 Ty for sharing, I am still sry for you having to see these messages. Humans...
8:48 holy shit did he actually wrote that? My god he placed a mine and immediately jumped on it with both legs!
17:49 if I ever learn anything from school bulling and straight up gang ups on my skinny ass, is that I can’t talk back for shit. And I stoped talking back. Yes I lose the battle after battle if someone with speech 10 dunks my shit, but I never let situation got even worse. So let’s hope Wilson will get how twitter works sooner, rather then later.
The thing is, bait and trolls will always exist. Whether "dramatubers" post or not, there will be people that are upset or think it's funny will try to get a response, and as you said Nux, they should learn to either not response, or actually clown right back.
i got a flashback when nux sang the stfu music vid
You are the slim shady we needed.
Honestly, going here is the best wise/insightfull videos ive ever watch during this The Sinkining era.
0:17 omg I just realised how long I've been watching you. I remember like 2 years after I started watching you you said you were 25. I've been watching you for about 5 years. Omg what a hell of a ride.
"did you form that opinion from you favorite dramatuber" just remind me of the "my brother in Christ you made the sandwich" meme
Yo is that kiana burning the kitchen at 20:10, didn't know you played that game
The editing is better this time
Nux making these videos gives me the same feeling as vox watching the angels invade Charlie’s hotel
Just herd on Legal Eagle in his live stream say you two have been talking but can't talk about the Nijisanji stuff together, too bad. Also didn't know you had that much reach, cool dude. *Back to watching video.*
If you mean Legal Mindset, he's not going to be happy about getting confused for that weasel.
21:48 "Silence is Violence"?
I love nux while saying he's just sitting their and watching the chaos unfold he still manages to give great commentary while being sincere and funny at the same time
"They merely adopted the hate comments. I was born in them."
It's such an obvious attempt to look good when their company is crumbling apart. I can't believe i'm saying this but doing nothing and just let it pass is a better move.
... Are they just incapable of shutting up? I mean, my god... Anyone with half an ounce of sense would have realized that they need to shut up about anything even remotely controversial and certainly not fan the fires of their own dumpster fire that's raging in the company. I wonder if it's possible to make a facepalm meme that's large enough to sum up Niji and their talents at this point?
Nux picking up the work while the green parrot takes a much needed nap.
when you say "don't harrass the talents, it means the opposite in some people's minds". People will still harrass people because reality hasn't fully smacked them hard enough. Twitter is full of toxic, sociopathes and psychopathes who don't know how to interact with normal people. I mean i'm a bit nuts myself but i atleast have some actual social skills.
The opposite of Love isn't hate , its indifference. If they let you down , unsub and move on.
The pink guy reference, whata throwback 😂
The however pause comma was hilarious
I’ve never heard of Selen until this drama but I’m glad she’s doing much better now. Anyways it’s entertaining watching the drama. It’s like they know exactly what they should do to correct this situation but purposely ignore it and do the exact opposite of what they should do.
Nux over here roasting marshmallows on the blazing fire that is Nijisanji 😂
man i just saw your uki drama video, now this wow
Love how nux revealed his fear of silent-types at the end there. That self-defense "pussy" call out said alot. Lol.
lord nuxanor back at it again
Honestly saying not to harass isn't going to stop the people who do because they are just looking for a reason to harass people in most cases 😅
VINDICATIONNNNN 😂😂
Silence is compliance (externally).
Nijisanji fans have no idea that if they really want to hurt Nux they need to just not pay attention to him. He has always thrived on negativity even more than on positivity, so Nijisanji fans make him more powerful and more popular by hating on him.
I fully agree with nux that while speaking out is the correct thing in this situation, "silence is violence" doesn't really apply here. The innocent people in niji might just be biting their tongue waiting for their turn in the graduation queue since they don't want a sin list like zaion's and selen's (nousagi mentioned that one of false's contacts informed him about "sin lists" that management is keeping about *everyone* in niji that they can publish in case of a termination), or they might be trying to stay in the company since they haven't built up their following enough to jump to being an indie yet (the obvious example is vivi, idk her PL but with under 100k subs she may not want to abandon the yacht and go indie until it's sunken a bit more and/or she has enough of a following that will transfer over and i don't blame her), or they may even be in the company and acting like they're going along with the bullshit while actually leaking stuff to false and khyo and the others. Also even if you want to talk there are legal things binding you and preventing you from doing so (NDA, non disparagement clause etc). That said i'd point out these defenses mostly work for the people within niji en. The guys who already jumped ship are mostly staying silent on the matter (except doki and obviously sayu), and then you get kuro vaguely doomposting but without any actual info. Of course just like the omes inside niji the rainbow retirees can be silent without it being violence, i'm just pointing out that excluding the legal stuff they don't have much to fear from niji since they're already out.
23:00 - 24:16 I'm impressed by your prospective.
I'm no't into social media, what happen to Scarle? Is she ok? do we have news?
Didn't expect the filthy frank song callback to end the video, lmfao
There is a big difference between harassment and criticism. If you make a public statement, you open yourself to public criticism. Make an obviously scripted corporate PR statement and expect to be called out for it.
They are even sending hate to iron mouse. Some people are evil.
Honestly, I don't think Wilson is alone in these thoughts, I'm willing to bet a good chunk of the Niji livers share this sentiment unfortunately.
Nux makes a good point here, these guys go into Niji with like no following and most of them are just handed an ultra dedicated fanbase for "free" (minus all the expenses they're responsible for lol)
I'm willing to bet most of these livers covet Nijisanji for giving them a platform and a following. it would honestly not surprise me some of these talents even harbor resentment towards Zaion and Selen for whistleblowing
Didnt the artists came out and say they pay so delayed and sometimes do not entirely? So much love for the artists lol.
"they love artis so much they almost want to pay them" well shit nux almost 😂😂
I think just about everyone has had a job they hated and worked for a company they despised, but they needed the money and/or the personal pros outweighed the cons. Most of the people who work/worked for Nijisanji weren't making a lot of money beforehand, and Dokibird/Selen herself was not a popular streamer, and like them or not, it's in large part because of Nijisanji's influence that she's as successful as she in now (even if they did little beyond giving her a platform). What I'm trying to say is that harassing employees is a jerk move, in part because the majority of the livers probably dislike Nijisanji, but they signed a contract, and they probably need the money.
With that said, the livers REALLY should be lying low, ignoring social media, and doing what they can to support Doki and other livers behind the scenes, and saying encouraging things on social media when they do post. Don't get baited, and don't stick your neck out for people (Nijisanji) who wouldn't do the same for you. I've been a mildly writer on the internet for about a decade now, and that's helped refine and smooth the rough edges of my internet discourse. I've gotten a lot of hate, and the best thing to do is usually ignore it. Also, genuinely being kind to others, thoughtful, and being slow to anger helps as well. God bless, and take care, everyone.
Just got into vtubers. YOU, Monarch, and Cyu???are the only ones I know. I would like to know different types of vtubers.
Those 3 people that publicly spoke to defend Nijisanji and bully Selen deserve it. Frankly, I think fans and employers should have some level of knowledge that allows them to avoid supporting those 3 in any way. Be it their dox or some sort of tracker. Even if they left and disavowed their actions now, I would still want to actively avoid giving them a view.
The Venn diagram of people who need to be told not to harass people and those who will do it anyway is almost a perfect circle. Reasonable people understand harassment is bad, and no dramatuber or whatever we're calling them need to constantly warn people not to do it.
The wisest advice I ever heard was from former NFL coach Herm Edwards, with regard to Twitter, he said "Don't press send!"
this whole situation is at the point that a crush 40 song pops into my head Big Mouth literaly just a song of shut up
24:45 Dokibird took it too far? She didn't do nothing they where the one who did it by themselves 😅
and here i am, waiting for 4chan to make a move
Nux! Whenever i personally need a based, facts, bottom line take on anything or anyone... Nux is who i always turn to! Love ya Nux, you're the best bro!
this company has so few people that actually know how to handle this kind of problem. Vanta has come out on top with that absolutely banging tweet about Elden Ring and the reply to the sex bot. Alban has done a good job by just staying in his own lane, unproblematic as always, Rosemi and Petra went p silent, etc.
nux if saw this comment you should check uki debut stream and go to the part where he mentioned he have heterochromia before he said heterochromia that he said heterophobia like literally. its like he planned that. FORESHADOWING???🤨🤨🧐
thats...the joke
The fastest way to make your displeasure known is to tell them that you will not be financially supporting them anymore and then delineating the reason why. You do so in a very businesslike manner and then you move on.
Idk Nux was a 28 thousand year old Loli who also like horses man Vaush is gonna love this
Make the bed, something something..
Lay in it!!!
If they were staying silent it would be one thing, but from what I've seen the others haven't been silent, they have actively participated in the situation. That, to me, is a very big difference, I can understand someone trying to keep their job by not speaking out against it, I can't understand actively putting down someone else to keep their job. If for instance Doki did end up taking her own life, the ones that participated wouldn't be forgiveable because they wanted to keep their job.
Never harrass people. Corporations
10:19 Khyo doesn't want Nijisanji to kill his channel again
I have only one fanart
It’s of Mysta but I think of it as a goodbye gift to him for leaving Nijisanji
I don’t want to jinx it but I haven’t seen Fulgur Ovid respond to anyone though we both have the same tastes in books and stuff. And he’s the only one I’m still following.
"He's got that 39Daph IQ" LOL
Love how nijianji & wactor at this point are just competing on who is the worst talent agency.
I just think how many popular vtubers depends on fanart for the thumbnails
To be fair to Yu Qi, AnyColor is my favorite dramatuber.
22:58 Unironically very well-reflected Nuxanor moment. On one hand, you have the take that it's absolutely spineless to keep your mouth shut about this whole thing. Since the story of harassment has sorta been backed by both sides, its seems likely that it's true. And that is disgusting. Niji as a company absolutely deserves to be torn a new one. And you could say that the livers are cowards for not standing up and talking about this. But on the other hand, if I was in their situation, I don't actually know what In would do. My background is probably different. I definitely will lead a different life, as it's unlikely I'll even become a content creator ever. And their life seems cushy and nice. They might fear the repercussion of speaking up too. That doesn't make it right, but it is understandable. It is possible that them leaving the company would solicit support from the crowd, and perhaps it's the better PR move for a liver long-term. But they don't know that for sure, and it'd suck for me if I just walked outta there feeling good about myself and then seeing there was no audience to support me. And it kinda feels like the ship has sailed for that to happen.
its wild to see that in todays time, the shittiest people can live in the upper class of society, whereas the honest and hard working being put down. Im not one that watch a lot of drama, but i swear ever since this niji-got-bukkake fest, its been a crazy and wild journey. Also even if they keep trying to sweep everything, it aint gonna happen, like they cant shut up, tho i feel its hard for them to do when they have such massive ego and thinks they are better. Its a sad sight, but yeah this is one of those moments where some humans have some of the worst things hidden on their closet.
Nux is eating well this year.