AMAZING Chess Puzzle From Reddit
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In 1995, John Nunn shortened a study by Matous to produce this position, as an engine-stumper. It's interesting that it continues to stump engines today, almost 30 years later.
The engine solves the study in seconds (mate in 12).
@@janbilek367 I tested this position with Lc0 on my PC and it took 1 minute, but my hardware isn't the fastest.
This is perhaps the most insane puzzle I've ever seen.
Until you see the next "most insane" one you've ever seen.....lol
@@Grayback1973do you also call your girlfriend "the best person in your life until you meet a better one"?
I've seen thousands of chess puzzles but this one may be the most amazing of all. Nelson's perfect commentary enhances the beauty of the composition.
Really crazy how Stockfish does not focus on "wayward" moves (like the move that it does not detect) but rather "direct" moves that are straight to the point but creates a draw in this instance! This is for Stockfish to be resourceful on memory by eliminating "wayward" moves that have less chance to generate a win and giving more depth to the moves that seem more "winning".
Good to see you back after disappearing from my recommendations for 3+ years! Time flies so fast!
Yeah there is still some flaws with Stockfish there
Maybe it would need to stop calculating drawing lines further and further when it's obviously a draw to focus on analysing previously discarded moves
Like "ok this is a draw, now do I have a better option?"
Especially when it have infinite time to think
2:11 ""Stock fish suddenly gets smart"" 😏🤗🤔 Laugh On Loud 😆😂🤣 That is for cheaters who do NoT use brain. ✋👌👍
Contrary to what the video claimed, Stockfish actually finds the long forced-mate instantly. Chess Vibes keeps using the bad default Chesscom setting that limits Stockfish's depth to 22 - an artificial handicap that weakens the engine considerably.
@@Rocky64 Does a depth of 22 count both white and black moves toward the depth? If that's the case, I feel like it shouldn't find forced mate in anything above M11, but it does, doesn't it? It's more likely that moving the bishop is a "weird" move that Stockfish discards early on.
No, Stockfish (and Komodo) run alpha-beta searches, which evaluate the position for every possible (winning) move. It has nothing to do with intuition. If there is a mate in 12 and you let it search up to 24 ply Stockfish WILL find it - it's mathematically guaranteed.
The depth was just artificially handicapped to 22 ply in this puzzle. You could say the same about a Stockfish limited to 1 ply and entirely relying on its NNUE heuristic.
Mario Mattous was the composer... he made a lot of problems like this one
One of the coolest puzzles I have ever seen! Thank you for sharing and breaking this down!
I wish wish wish wish wish that Nelson would run through the full puzzle once quickly at the end of the video, just so we can see the wonderful solution in full motion. Love the channel!!
This is THE best chess puzzle I've ever seen 🤩🤩
Thank you very Nelson for bringing this up!
Absolutely fantastic, thank you for showing this
I saw this puzzle in gauri chess before....
i knew i'd seen before it but couldn't remember where, Gauri is an absolute legend
Is that puzzle from Real Game?
Or is that puzzle invented?
😏🤗🤔
@@damyankuzmic5605 This is an invented puzzle
Brilliant 👏 👏
I saw this it last week on puzzles engine can’t solve
2:30 -- Cue Eric Rosen: gxf7+, a pin and a fork, a pork!! 🤣🤣
Also from Gauri chess
2:08 ""Stock fish suddenly gets smart"" 😏🤗🤔 Laugh On Loud 😆😂🤣 That is for cheaters who do NoT use brain. ✋👌👍
@@damyankuzmic5605That's not how you spell "lol". Do you live inside a cave or something?
@@JustAnotherCommenter
What? Do I live in cave or some thing? Can YoU firstly ask that self and then try to answer. 😆😂🤣 Laugh On Loud 😆😂🤣 That is NoT how YoU spell "lol". If YoU so patronizo insulto smart. Teach Me how I can use my sociopathic poison snake tongue? Just move that bordering line, very pretty please!
@@JustAnotherCommenter
Laugh On Loud. Are YoU living in cave or some thing similar? 😆😂🤣
That is NoT how spell "lol". Are YoU living in cave or some thing similar? 😆😂🤣
I suggest you should have continued analyzing. In the last position after Bxa1 if Qf8, Kf5+! Qg7, f8=R/Q+ and mate.
Thanks, saw that and was thinking bishop takes queen is just losing.
Didn’t realize you just promote.
Damn I saw the same thing forgot they don't have to take. Can you imagine playing Magnus and when you sac your queen, Magnus just concedes cuz he figured the rest out!?
He also missed Qf8 in previous positions, so.
I wanted to react , then I saw you came up with the same as me. Beautiful, isn't it! 😂
@@wesleydeng71 That was not critical, indeed, on some moves from zhugzwang, you just promote with a mate, rather than move your king
Hats off to whoever developed this puzzle! Can you imagine how much effort had to go into figuring something like this out?
This is a phenomenal puzzle, and I would never have figured it out within the time constraints of an actual game. I'm not even sure I could have firgured it out given unlimited time. Thanks for showing this to us, especially the part about delivering the checkmate by moving the King.
I like how Stockfish suddenly realizes: "Oh yeah!... there is a checkmate there" 😅So sad, poor Stockfish cant talk to us, he would have so much to say.
2:09 ""Stock fish suddenly gets smart"" 😏🤗🤔 Laugh On Loud 😆😂🤣 That is for cheaters who do NoT use brain. ✋👌👍
Well, the stockfish depth is only 22. That means it can only find M11 at max. The puzzle is M12. Change depth setting and you'll see stockfish true power.
2:09 stockfish suddenly gets smart 🤓🤓🤓😂😂😂
There's another interesting line where white has to be very careful -- if, when the queen and knight are keeping the white king from moving black can play Nd5+, and if white moves anywhere except Ke6, Nc3 blocks the bishop *and* delivers a check on white's king. Black can then perpetually check until a 3-fold draw is reached.
This was truly amazing. You never fail to deliver.
Black queen to F8 at the 10:30 mark kills this.
king to f5,queen blocks at g7 and white gets a queen delivers a checkmate, as black queen will be pinned from bishop
Incredible puzzle, Thank you Nelson !
To answer the question at 4:52, I once checkmated by castling.
Elaborate
@@Fronzel41 I castled and where the rook was positioned lined up with the enemy king and it was checkmate.
Thank you for your clear explanation!
Not only did I checkmate with a king once, I checkmated by moving out of an opponent’s check.
Try analysing positions with Stockfish 16 instead of Stockfish 16 lite. The lite version is often a bit off. Stockfish 16 will find this mate before reaching depth 30. It's always frustrating to me to hear "Stockfish can't find it" and see "Stockfish 16 lite depth 22" in the corner.
Amazing puzzle btw
2:13 ""Stock fish suddenly gets smart"" 😏🤗🤔 Laugh On Loud 😆😂🤣 That is for cheaters who do NoT use brain. ✋👌👍
I tried with Stockfish 16 up to depth >50, it does not work. Note that if you show Stockfish the solution, and then undo and analyze the same position as before, it will indeed find the right move! This is because it caches previous results.
@@thomasr2472 Yes that's why I got it to find it at depth 30
Still, if I have to check by myself to make sure that the true Stockfish doesn't find it it's a bit annoying.
If you want to say that Stockfish doesn't find it, fine, but show us the true Stockfish and without the depth cap otherwise what you show is useless cause unrelated to what you say
I let the puzzle analyse with Stockfish 15.1 and he can‘t find the winning move doesn‘t matter how long it think.
@@anonym5160 doesn't change my point. Sometimes Stockfish 16 lite will miss what Stockfish 16 would find. Therefore, everytime you Say "Stockfish doesn't see it" with an image of Stockfish 16 lite not finding it, what you show is unrelated with what you're saying.
He should show us the Real Stockfish 16 no depth cap analysis, that would really illustrate his comments.
The power of Reddit and communities.
First time you would see Kxy#
Yeah. I once pulled odd a 0-0-0!! winning a bishop and thereby the game, but a king move for checkmate is something else.
Stockfish also finds the move if you expand the search until Bc7 comes onto the analysis screen as one of the candidates.
I love how stockfish offers the draw and then afterwards is all like, “of course this is winning for white. Wasn’t it obvious?”
It never did it always said mate in 2
Nelson, this is one of the most popular puzzles ever. I know the solution before watching the video since I have and many others have seen it
Can you do a video of the hector gambit?
This is the most amazing puzzle I have ever seen!
This is by far the most fascinating puzzle I have ever seen!
Me, a 900 rated player, after hearing stockfish see no win, still pauses to have a look.
Amazing puzzle! Thank you so much! 🤍
Too good, thanks for sharing
Wonderful puzzle and video. Easily equals if not surpasses your underpromotion videos. I’m a beginner but can still appreciate how mind-blowing this puzzle is on some level.
This is the only puzzle I have saved on my hard disc for years, since no comps could find the solution for me. Still the most impressive and hard puzzle I have seen. What a genius puzzle!!
Truly a mind-blowing and life-changing puzzle!
At 10:00 you are going through many of black's variations, but there is one important variation that you don't show. Black could play Qf8 intending both to block promotion and also to block the white bishop with Qg7 if the king moves. This also loses, but in a slightly different way than other moves. White doesn't capture the pinned queen on g7, but simply delivers mates by promoting on f8.
Yes. A check and a pin. A chin.
Genuinely impressed with this
That was some mindfook, just beauty
4:53
I have. I've even delivered checkmate by castling.
Nelson this one was amazing. Though the one where the oppenenets king was forced to move to one of 3 squares was my favorite and better than this one. There it looked like a real endgame AND which of the 3 squares lead to a different underpromotion, one with each of knight, bishop, rook to win and prevent perpetual checks or stalemates
Well, in the end, when white captures the pawn in a1, black still can avoid a humiliating checkmate by the white moving his king, by
1) sacrificing the queen in e5, bishop takes, Ne8 check, fxe8=Q checkmate
2) directly go with Ne8 check, fxe8=Q check, Qf8, Qxf8 checkmate.
And the second case is also a nice trick for black, because if white doesn't capture the knight directly with the pawn, but still want to checkmate by moving the king to e6, then Ng7 with check, BxNg7, KxBg7 and black now has a winning position since white cannot promote to f8.
This doesn't stop checkmate, but it does stop a humilating one.
A queen move to a3 or g1 or a knight move to e8 can procrast the checkmate but not stop it. But knight to d5 with check will stop white from winning because after the white king moves with discovered check, knight to c3 blocks the bishop. Bishop can not take it because the queen defends it and the promotion square is also defended by the queen.
@@robheusd so the queen is overworked. take the knight anyway and after the queen recaptures she is no longer defending the promotion square
This is one of if not the best and craziest chess puzzle I've ever seen.
10:57 the position looks cool after Qf8, the only winning move is Kf5+, because the Qg7 is not check and then White must promote to a queen or even coller: a rook. Thanks for the video it was really mindblowing.
I believe white Kg5+ is still winning, unless I'm missing something. After Black plays Qg7+, White plays Kf5 and Black can no longer stop f8=Q#, even if queen takes bishop, since the queen is pinned on the diagonal and can't deal with the pawn. If Black plays Ne6, covering the f8 square, then the king simply captures the knight.
@@terencemah8521Yes, you're right, Kg5 also works, and you just have to go with the King to a square that the night cannot check you on, so Kh5 or even Kh4 are good as well. Thanks for the correction.
You're right, I've never seen a mechanism like that. Amazing.
After the final zugzwang, when the Q or the N have to move, there's one last mind-blowing variation, which is Qf8, looking to block the bishop's check, let's say White plays Kf5+, then Qg7 blocking the bishop's check... but at the same time the Q's pinning herself so f8Q boom! beautiful mate.
Bishop B2 is the only winning move because black can push the pawn and you can position the bishop between a1 and b2 without being attacked. If bishop goes to a1 you will get attacked by the pawn and black can deflect the bishop
I've played chess since 1966. It's common courtesy to refer to the composer of a study when you present it. You don't just write "local newspaper", " a bloke in the pub", "reddit" or something like that. This study was originally presented by Mário Matouš in Szachy 1975. You are showing a shortened version, where the first moves by white and black have already been played.
That moment when the king was in a mating net with barely any adjacent pieces, preventing him from delivering checkmate, was magnificent
This is indeed a stroke of GENIUS!!
From the last position both knight to g8 and queen to f8 prolong the defence...
What a great puzzle. I can't think that far ahead
Best lines for black after Bxa1 are either ...Qc3+ or ...Nd5+ (delays mate the most)
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very elegant win
I feel like I've just watched a 2 hours action movie.
Very unique puzzle.
What happened to the bot rating climb?
Chess was so much better before engines. Now every 1200 player acts like they know every solution
The internet was so much better before eternal September. Now every poster is a bot or troll.
@@1happystone166 puzzles like this have been created for hundreds of years.
Everything was better back in the day, ask your grandparents. Or wait, are we now the grandparents?
Just wow, that's incredible!
This puzzle is absolutely beautiful.
I saw this 'checkmate battery' at once, but it's really OUT OF THIS WORLD
Incredible!
I tried on 2 very engines (Stockfish an Lc0)on supercomputers, they are both blind for 1 minutes, but eventually Lc0 find mate in 12.
it also confuses stockfish in the beginning which is incredible
Nope it's sees mate in 2 it was fake
Imagine getting this in puzzle rush
Thanks,an unusually gifted piece of chess to enjoy and mull over
I plugged this puzzle into Stockfish 16, It took it 92 plies and a few hours to solve. Stockfish had to look past a lot of forced moves find the solution. I was using a AMD 3.3Ghz 32 GB CPU on stockfish 16 with Arena UI.
This was nuts
Very cool. Thanks
Certainly the greatest puzzle I’ve ever seen
This is not "from reddit" please credit the original composer when showcasing studies, this one is by Mario Matous from 1975. Also it is missing a move, being (with the white queen on a6 and the black king on f8) Qc8 Kg8, reaching the position showcased here
Yes. In 1995, John Nunn shortened Matous's study to create a puzzle for a Batsford Chess Competition. Nunn specifically selected this position (and two others) to be difficult for computers.
Amazing puzzle, demonstrates how intricate chess is. Fantastic teacher too
I would have lost, thought that Ba1 was the winning move. Totally misded the knight move trapping the king.
Wonderful puzzle.
Qf8 still looks promising for me since pawn and horsie blocks both squares where white's king could move to side.
He left it out since it’s not king mate :)
Qf8, king moves, queen has to block, pawn promotes is mate because queen is pinned.
Amazing puzzle! 🤯
Stockfish does not calculate all moves. He chooses a few and checks them. So an algorithm for choosing candidate moves has some problems :D
2:10 ""Stock fish suddenly gets smart"" 😏🤗🤔 Laugh On Loud 😆😂🤣 That is for cheaters who do NoT use brain. ✋👌👍
Great puzzle!!!
5:56 what about q f2
Same, king moves and bishop delivers discovered check. After Qxb2 promote the pawn
this puzzle was covered in a daniel naroditsky video a while while back, title of video is "how to study chess" or something
Well done puzzle, great, amazing
Somewhere, Lelouch vi Britannia smiled and thought: "That's my school! After all, if the king doesn't move, then his subjects won't follow".
Mind-blowing
When you first move bishop to b2, what’s stopping queen to f2 check, then take the bishop?
That is a puzzle of a different league. Or a different tier ! OMG
Mind belting
Wow that’s insanely good
Beautiful use of the chessboard.
Challenge idea: Beat Martin but your last move has to be moving your king. :)
Brilliant puzzle, wow. It just seems that the amount of chess puzzle possibilities is infinite!
5:04 crosscheckmate 😂
Can you bring back the chess adventure series pls
The first move is pretty hard to see, then it's ez since you threaten mate in 1.
Don't tell me you found the bishop b2 move
At 7:07 why not black queen to F2 check? The check again prevents pawn advance, and the queen can take the bishop if the king moves to expose the pin. Thanks for sharing a great puzzle.
Qf2+ Ke6+ Qxb2 f8=Q++
@@wickedpawn5437ke6 ? Sacrificing the king😂😂
Would magnus Carlsen see bishop c7?
I actually saw the Bc7 idea (I tried Be7 first but quickly saw that it didn't work) but I didn't find the whole solution.
7:48 again queen to f8 leads checkmate options for black.
what happens if black moves QB3+ (check + bishop threat)?
Why doesn't black move Q to f8? When the K moves for the check he has to move away from the pawn. The Q steps in and sacs but the king can retake and move to f8
If queen blocks bishop doesn't have to take it. White promotes the pawn then its checkmate because the queen is pinned.
Utterly amazing puzzle
You're a chess genius, sir!