As a big Monkey Ball fan working on a video about Deluxe, this video was very entertaining and informative. Your audio quality and editing is also absolutely top notch. You immediately earned the sub :D
I appreciate that thank you so much! I really pride on making sure audio is top tier as well as the editing since it's part of my portfolio. Thanks for watching!
Love your work Kelphelp, favorite person to go for comparison vids. Hope to see lots and lots more. No pressure, definitely understand the time needed to make these kinds of vids so please take your time, definitely worth the wait for content. Also, huge kudos to Beamslinger for helping you edit, very neat job, so keep it up! ^_^
That's very kind of you thank you so much man. You be surprised how much time it takes since it's just me doing everything, and extremely grateful for Beamu for revising my scripts and helping them become much more concise. Thanks a ton for watching and more shall come very very soon!
Sega clearly never make a quality port. They will screw it up somehow like make Sonic Adventure DX graphics worst be removing real time lighting, make things bright even in nighttime and make character models look like knock-off figures and make the levels less atmospheric, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle with somehow fucking up the audio in the HD ports and remove stuff that shouldn't be removed considering the GameCube, PS3, Xbox 360 and PC are way more powerful. Also Sonic Colors Ultimate is a disgrace to the game that saved Sonic by adding unneeded bloom, make Sonic emotionless, lazy AI upscaled cutscenes and make useless additions.
The PAL version of the PS2 port has another noticeable flaw that also applies to most PAL PS2 games, it only runs at 50hz while the Xbox and GCN versions can either run at 50hz or 60hz.
You also forgot to mention that the PS2 version also has some oddities with the backgrounds on some stages. Some levels like Dr. Bad Boon's Base, Inside a Whale, and especially Space Colony had the backgrounds look cheaper and even unfinished that it looks unsettling. I guess SEGA had to make some cuts with the level design so it runs on the PS2.
I can understand why the cutscenes were recorded from the GameCube version and used as video files for the PS2 version, but I don’t get it for the Xbox version, since it is supposed to be more powerful than the GameCube.
2:55 you could already change the aspect ratio on the gamecube version of monkey ball 2, so the ps2 didnt add that feature, the ps2 version is just a worse version
Very interesting to hear about the missing Ball sounds. I was originally concerned about Banana Mania's seemingly lacking sound effect, but I guess it is really better than nothing!
All versions of Deluxe and 2 had widescreen support and non-PS2 versions had 480p support. It's just that the Xbox version required using the system settings to find that out.
Thank you! This comparison was lean, to the point, and had great comparisons. I wish I had a GameCube; I'd probably play it off that. The deadzones seem like they make the game harder on the PS2, but other than that, the other downsides don't seem as bad.
Real glad you loved the vid man. I will say the negatives may be bad for some and not for others. It really depends on the person, however I'm still disappointed how much the ps2 and Xbox lack. The dead zone is bad though, a horrible kind of artificial difficulty I don't appreciate
I made a full blown video talking about that here and how to get it running. The molded version is pretty incredible and highly recommended. Best of the classic monkey ball games unofficially. th-cam.com/video/uDV3q3z8Oho/w-d-xo.html
Ps2 was my childhood monkey ball. So basically I grew up on hard mode and every accomplishment could be considered twice as impressive? Yup, I think I got the best possible outcome out of this. I'm a master at nearly any game I put my mind to today. No regrets here!
Fact: At 7:23 on the PS2 version, Aiai's butt gets wider and flatter whenever he runs. And on the Xbox version, Aiai's butt gets shorter and thiner whenever he runs.
There is a modded version of Super Monkey Ball 2 for GameCube that adds the SMB1 and Deluxe stages into the game, meaning that it is basically Deluxe for GameCube with all the stuff cut from the other versions actually restored. Dole bananas, ball rolling sounds and fixed audio (the modders made 2 versions, one with fixed and one without) and no deadzone. The downsides are that Story Mode is significantly different, with 10 stages per world, all of them being the ones that came back for Deluxe on PS2 and Xbox. Basically, Story Mode plays only SMB1 and Deluxe stages, no SMB2 stages. Though, every stage in it's entirely is in Challenge Mode. (Master is gone, but Ultimate still remains). In terms of the party games though... those were cut to make room for all the returning stages. For now, that's definitely the definitive way to play Deluxe, at least for me. Great job showing off the differences!
There was a time when I got a copy of Super Monkey Ball Deluxe for the Xbox, but I never got to play it because the disc couldn't be read by my Xbox 360 (this was back in 2009). Understandably my 7-year-old self was sad because of this. I didn't get to play the Deluxe-exclusive stages until Banana Mania came out. I did get SMB2 four years ago so there's that, but I still have yet to get the first game. Also, playing and/or hearing SMB1/SMB2 brings me nostalgia since they were the first games I ever played.
I'm very late to this incredibly underrated video but this is good stuff! Can't believe no one has mentioned how long it takes to save a replay yet. My Ps2 literally does that for over a minute.
dont forget the cutscenes in the gamecube are all done in real time in engine, the ps2 and xbox versions are all pre rendered, also people have ported deluxe to the gamecube and it is the definitive way to play super monkey ball deluxe
Honestly with the Xbox version I was expecting the colors to be like the GameCube version but I was wrong I’m not sure why they are still muted and flat looking the Xbox was the most powerful of the 3 systems but the GameCube still looks better personally I will always preferred the GameCube version
It's not surprising but disappointing just to see such less vibrancy on color saturation and its pretty disappointing too. I wish there was more to deluxe tbh
I don't know what these 5 people don't like about this port Vs port It was really fair The only thing you should have talked about is this port isn't bad because of the hardware but the optimization by the developers
Some more flaws about the PS2 version I noticed: The textures in the ps2 version are much more lower-rez or are scaled weirdly (like in the sky-high version of "choice" th-cam.com/video/ofyanFrf7bk/w-d-xo.html) Many reflections on the stage in the gamecube version are missing completely in the xbox and ps2 version The PS2 version seems to miss any lighting on the level itself in some worlds (like at 8:47, the left side of the stage in the ps2 version doesn't have any shadow while the xbox version does) The Wormholes in the game (introduced around early expert) originally allowed you to look into the wormhole and see out the other end using a virtual camera (think portal). The PS2 version doesn't have it at all and instead just has a flashing green plane. th-cam.com/video/ofyanFrf7bk/w-d-xo.html Many of the backgrounds in the PS2 version had a decent amount of objects in the background removed on more intensive levels. ADV EX 9 "Ufo", which removes most of the space station in the background, and ADV EX 10 "Ring Bridges" which literally removes everything but the skybox, for instance. th-cam.com/video/ofyanFrf7bk/w-d-xo.html Advanced 10 was heavily compressed and basically completely redone between Monkey ball 1 and Deluxe, with an outside area added and incredibly glitchy collision. Also missing reflections. They probably had technical issues couldn't get it working in time, I doubt it was CPU-intensive considering that the NAOMI game in arcades could do it. The amount of players in the monkey race mode went from 8 people in Monkey Ball 2 to just 6 people in Deluxe. Even with the 30fps cap, some stages (like "waver") lag even more in the ps2 version, especially in widescreen mode where it hits like 10 fps. Overall, though, great video!
Exciting video. I grew up playing Super Monkey Ball Deluxe on the PS2 and besides the annoying loading screens, it was fine. I also enjoyed the different stages they added. I end up completing all levels EXCEPT for Master Extra. It was so difficult, even with 99 lives, it was so difficult to complete. However, as I grew older and now looking back, the PS2 version didn't age well. Haha.
It's exactly why I love doing this series so much. Sometimes you just sometimes you just want to know straight up which version is worth getting in which one is just garbage worth getting in which 1 is just garbage. Thanks A lot for watchin
One difference that I still remember is that Super Monkey Ball Deluxe removed the Dole logo from the bananas due to a licensing dispute. The original arcade Monkey Ball and GameCube's Super Monkey Ball 1 & 2 all have Dole bananas.
Personally, I prefer Deluxe (specifically on Xbox) because it has the most content, fun minigames, and I’m more into the silence. I don’t wanna hear “wawawawawawaWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA” while I’m rolling the ball all the time. But hey, maybe that’ll be dethroned when Banana Mania comes out.
Quite literally the only reason why I brought the Deluxe port was because it had all Party Games unlocked from the start. Plus it imported the first Super Monkey Ball's Party Games with the second Party Game. Otherwise, you might as well stick to the GameCube version.
The Xbox version of Deluxe does support 480p and 16:9 widescreen, but you must have those settings enabled from the Xbox dashboard because no games on the Xbox actually feature those settings in game. It's a system wide thing. Either way, I really don't like how much of a botched port Deluxe is on both consoles, but specifically on PS2. It makes the console look horrendously weak even though I've definitely seen it pushing significantly better visuals at 480p and 60fps vs that 480i 30fps mess we ended up with. Not to mention that the stuttering between levels makes the game feel borderline unfinished.
It is really disappointing how scuffed so many categories are for this game, and while it does have alot of content it just isn't as memorable as the Gamecube. Its hella disappointing.
Only issue with Banana Mania is that they still haven't fixed the ball whiring sound to make it like SMB 1 and 2. The balls in Banana Mania act like how they did in Deluxe sound wise.
I did hear it was different though, kind of acting like more of a bubble than the whirring. It does seem alot of the game both in audio and character models have changed.
There were many annoying continuous sounds I think they didn’t want in Banana Mania. Like the timer constantly ticking, or the bubbly whirring sound when you roll.
Which is fair if that's the case. It is true there is alot of clashing sounds that maybe haven't aged well. Just personal preference but overall the games are much more streamlined for the better
Can't say I know, I checked the backwards list snd doesn't seem to be on it. It's fine since you can technically play these recreated tracks on Banana Mania so it's all good
never heard that whirring sound before in my life. Sounds to me like it'd make a good distraction. Meanwhile for some reason I find it more realistically suitable that somehow more realistically you'd hear the subtle wobbling sound as in the ps2 vers going slow, then as your monkey attempts to break the sound barrier, things tense up as the world from their perspective starts to blur out and everything gets quiet as all eyes are on your movements of this ball as it spins at impossible rates lol
@@Kelphelp it must be eerie as what! especially if that's what you were hearing 24/7 every bit of motion made! I could imagine.. ps2 version is all I've ever known tho as it being one of my first 5 console games and all
@@Kelphelp its so funny how ps2 and gamecube are so on opposite ends of the spectrum. And I always tell the story of how I should've had a gamecube as first console. always loved the mario and monkey ball combo and I wanted to mimic my fren down the street by getting monkey ball+melee back then when I first took home the gamecube, still remember the butterflies i had in the car riding home to finally bring it to my living room and never have to leave the house to play or share screen time again! But somehow i can't quite remember how devastated I was when my dad brought it back upon realizing it couldn't play dvds. LOL I feel like im all the more better for it now, cause I couldn't imagine growing up without open world games like kh1&2 or Ty Tiger, and seeing how nintendo fanatics are on youtube these days, I think I'd rather stick to the indie gems than hope on another good mario title or have been obsessed over the various other franchises they held. ps2 just felt so much more expansive and unique. And I still came back to enjoy most of what I missed in more recent years, and I feel like Im enjoying it more now than I probably would've as a kid, not getting the various references in games like paper mario 2 and never meeting the skill requirement for sunshine (im not sure kids should even try and beat that), then there's melee... And you know all the time still I can't help but wonder how my gaming and internet dwelling life would've been different had I grew up on the gamecube instead. Probably might've finally gotten a ds at some point too
I think you have to change something in settings because when I played Deluxe on Xbox, it was automatically in Widescreen with no ingame way to make it 4:3.
Think I'll just stick to the GameCube versions for now. I really wanted to get Deluxe, but it doesn't seem like a worthwhile investment. Good thing Banana Mania's just around the corner! 😁🍌
Reminds me of when I bought Sonic Riders for GameCube which looked good while the PS2 version had framerate drops, choppier graphics.I was playing the PS2 demo of it.
It's sad that the xbox version doesn't have the sounds and color from the gamecube version, I was gonna give it a shot on my own system but I guess I'll just emulate the originals
@@Kelphelp Like, I won't pretend I know anything about hardware and optimization, but if a game like Burnout Revenge could display in 480p and still run around 60fps, what was holding everyone else back, y'know? 😅
It depends honestly. Some consoles are harder to port than others, some have to be severely downscaled and compressed, others well...choices can be odd or lazy. It's never one reason because so many factors affect development and so many more aren't shown to light. I'll won't act I know anything about development cuz I really don't, but man porting games can be a real tough job
@@Kelphelp See, *these* are the kinds of things I'd love to read or hear about in behind-the-scenes stuff or developer interviews if I could find them.
Cool video but i don't play that cuz i don't think i have a console that is needed to play that game but cool comparsians ill think about playing that game
After I made this video, I did actually a modding video to highlight this monkey ball mod. I absolutely love the way it plays and looks and it's a great way to play DX but on a GameCube and using all those settings
So I ran it on my GameCube itself and it ran fine but there were some levels that I couldn't do properly. I usually don't try on emulators and on original hardware so that's another issue
I know Deluxe is way better, but guys, should I keep Deluxe or bring back 1 and 2 as GameCube versions? I probably miss Mid-Summer Jungle Square from SMB1 (Well, they are both the same square stage, one is the Jungle background that doesn’t crumble, and the other one is the Jungle Island background does), and I miss 8 player Monkey Race. If I get rid of Deluxe, I won't be able to play 46 Deluxe stages anymore. I mean, it's rare game. But I can play them in Banana Mania. I miss those two games on the GameCube. I’m not really a PlayStation and Xbox person, I’m a Nintendo person. But they gosh they don’t port Deluxe to the PC port.
I played monkey ball deluxe on ps2 and i swear it had the ball spinning sounds when going full speed. That looked more like a emulator bug or something
@@Kelphelp I need to go bust out my PS2 cuz i swear i remember the ball rolling noise being there but maybe I am misremembering because my cousin had monkey ball 2 on gc lol
That's exactly why. The sound was on GC, not PS2. I can absolutely and with certainty guarantee that. The footage of the sounds playing is from their respective hardware
Deluxe might be considered a bad port (I think the Xbox version is just fine), it is DEFINITELY not the worst Monkey Ball port. Super Monkey Ball for the Nokia N-Gage is a port of Super Monkey Ball Jr, which itself is a GBA "port" (i guess Demake would be the proper term) of Super Monkey Ball 1. Jr is... fine, servicable. But SMB N-Gage is genuinely atrocious, butchering the music into a 5-Second loop that sounds more like a Siivagunner Blueball rip than anything from actual Monkey Ball, controls that feel as stiff as a wooden board frozen by winter and graphics... that aren't actually too bad all things considered. SMB N-Gage is not only the worst port of SMB1, it might actually be the worst Monkey Ball game ever made.
@@Kelphelp thanks for the analysis this had me sad literally when I was little thinking I could play both my favorite games combined on ps2 but it was slippery lol couldn't beat expert remember I broke a remote 😂
I think that you maybe missconfigured something in the xbox, i have the xbox port and i play it my xbox 360 and the game shows up in native widescreen with no stretching, i think that the xbox had an widescreen/hd configuration so you might wanna check that out. Other than that this is a great video
Yea someone commented in the vid to simply just change it to wide-screen on the main menu. Was using the OG xbox so just evaded be but appreciate ya clearing it up man. Thanks for watching man
Monkey Ball Deluxe's PS2 port is absolutely awful and shows why the PS2 is nowhere near as good as the GameCube or the original Xbox. Also the PS2 had so much shovelware on it, whereas the GameCube and original Xbox have little to no shovelware. And for the most part, GameCube and original Xbox versions have way better ports that look and run a lot better than they do on PS2. The Xbox port of Deluxe is actually really good. It plays pretty well on the 360 as well.
@@unknown11833 I vastly prefer the GameCube and OG Xbox libraries over the PS2 library because those libraries have way less shovelware than what the PS2 has. Just because a console has so many games doesn't mean that all of the games are that good or the library is superior.
In my life, I constantly cycle between living in Puerto Rico and Florida. When I decided to take my old PS2 to Florida, I could've chosen to take SMB Deluxe (since I own it's PS2 version and still haven't lost that disc yet), but all those whole/entire shitty lagging issues caused me to hesitate bringing SMBDX with me, because it just doesn't feel fun with such a nasty lag. Man, how I wish I ever owned an Xbox at some point in my life, I would totally prefer to play that version of SMBDX instead because it's much, much faster & smoother than that garbage PS2 version. 😐
Poor PS2, this console unfortunally don't age well, with less performance than Gamecube and Xbox. But when you compare Monkey Ball Delux, we can see how the PS2 analogue video is so wash out, with bad color and brightness compare to his conterpart. Even the PSP is more appeling today, with the Component or with the sharpscale homebrew on a hack PS TV. I hope the PS2Digital than PixelFX tease can add a big upgrade to the PS2 video quality, because it's sad than the best selling console ever wasn't pleasant to look out. Nice Port vs Port.
Not all games but some ps2 games are really Great Games like metal gear solid 3 won't even run on gamecube because of its dvd size There are a lot of other examples as well Ps2 never suffered in game library
@@akhandtripathipyz9888 Don't get le wrong, I never say than the library was the ps2 problème. My issue is about the PS2 video signal who's really bad compare to the Xbox, GameCube and the Dreamcast. That's why I hope for the release of the PS2Digital by pixelfx to bypass the analog signal with a true digital signal via HDMI out.
Well they didn't used the ps2 nicely So many ps2 games won't even run on gamecube like metal gear solid 3 and god of war 2 Ps2 never lacked game library and often times gets better ports Another example resident evil 4 on ps2 has better sound than wii version only the resolution is lower
Come have an actual conversation when you watched the video and we can properly discuss it. Responding to the title literally does nothing for the both of us. So you can either watch and we can have a legit constructive conversation or you can sit there spitting out dumb baseless comments. Your choice
I know PS2 fanboys hate to read but....facts don't care about your feelings- the PS2 graphical hardware was outdated by early 2002...almost every PS2 multi platform game is visually worse than GC and Xbox
A good portion of games definitely are 100%. I always felt the real magic of the PS2 was the availability and variety of the games on the console. That's where it shines
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Just a heads up you can play widescreen on the Xbox version but I think you need to change the console to widescreen on the frontend without a disc in
Ahhhhh well...there you go guess I didn't know that. Big shouts to you man!!
It's alright I only knew because playing it on the Xbox 360 automatically had it in widescreen 🤣
Well goddamn me right? Looks like now I know. I usually use the PHaT boi so makes sense I didn't know. Appreciate it man. Learning process for me too
Flooidity (spelled fluidity) was a great game on the Wii.
I salute you for actually owning an Xbox to know these things as well.
As a big Monkey Ball fan working on a video about Deluxe, this video was very entertaining and informative. Your audio quality and editing is also absolutely top notch. You immediately earned the sub :D
I appreciate that thank you so much! I really pride on making sure audio is top tier as well as the editing since it's part of my portfolio.
Thanks for watching!
Love your work Kelphelp, favorite person to go for comparison vids. Hope to see lots and lots more. No pressure, definitely understand the time needed to make these kinds of vids so please take your time, definitely worth the wait for content. Also, huge kudos to Beamslinger for helping you edit, very neat job, so keep it up! ^_^
That's very kind of you thank you so much man. You be surprised how much time it takes since it's just me doing everything, and extremely grateful for Beamu for revising my scripts and helping them become much more concise.
Thanks a ton for watching and more shall come very very soon!
Sega clearly never make a quality port. They will screw it up somehow like make Sonic Adventure DX graphics worst be removing real time lighting, make things bright even in nighttime and make character models look like knock-off figures and make the levels less atmospheric, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle with somehow fucking up the audio in the HD ports and remove stuff that shouldn't be removed considering the GameCube, PS3, Xbox 360 and PC are way more powerful. Also Sonic Colors Ultimate is a disgrace to the game that saved Sonic by adding unneeded bloom, make Sonic emotionless, lazy AI upscaled cutscenes and make useless additions.
Good thing fans can mod the games to fix the shit.
The PAL version of the PS2 port has another noticeable flaw that also applies to most PAL PS2 games, it only runs at 50hz while the Xbox and GCN versions can either run at 50hz or 60hz.
Interesting had no idea at all, then again I never been to the UK so def didn't know
You also forgot to mention that the PS2 version also has some oddities with the backgrounds on some stages. Some levels like Dr. Bad Boon's Base, Inside a Whale, and especially Space Colony had the backgrounds look cheaper and even unfinished that it looks unsettling. I guess SEGA had to make some cuts with the level design so it runs on the PS2.
This reminds me of the rings level in the ps2 in space colony where it's just like a purely space background for that level for some reason.
@@puthputPS2 and GameCube have better water transparency than Xbox at 8:45
I can understand why the cutscenes were recorded from the GameCube version and used as video files for the PS2 version, but I don’t get it for the Xbox version, since it is supposed to be more powerful than the GameCube.
Right? It goes to show they were pretty lazy with that and cut alot of corners. Xbox is more than capable. And yet is anything but here
2:55 you could already change the aspect ratio on the gamecube version of monkey ball 2, so the ps2 didnt add that feature, the ps2 version is just a worse version
Yup, was notified of this change in the comments. Appreciate it,
Very interesting to hear about the missing Ball sounds. I was originally concerned about Banana Mania's seemingly lacking sound effect, but I guess it is really better than nothing!
The ball sounds for sure are different and sound more like a bubble than whirring.
i live in a parallel universe where the gamecube outsold the ps2
It's a good universe to live in
All versions of Deluxe and 2 had widescreen support and non-PS2 versions had 480p support. It's just that the Xbox version required using the system settings to find that out.
Ah gotcha, yea many people mentioned this so for sure was able to change this. Appreciate you letting me know.
Thank you! This comparison was lean, to the point, and had great comparisons. I wish I had a GameCube; I'd probably play it off that. The deadzones seem like they make the game harder on the PS2, but other than that, the other downsides don't seem as bad.
Real glad you loved the vid man. I will say the negatives may be bad for some and not for others. It really depends on the person, however I'm still disappointed how much the ps2 and Xbox lack. The dead zone is bad though, a horrible kind of artificial difficulty I don't appreciate
@@Kelphelp Is the analogue control deadzone the same on Xbox as on PS2, or is it different or more like gamecube?
I found it pretty different on each but much more apparent on the PS2 than Xbox. It was pretty horrendous and it's hard to play either because of it.
@@Kelphelp Good to know, thanks. I guess I'll look into that modded gamecube version with added deluxe stages mentioned in the other comment :)
I made a full blown video talking about that here and how to get it running. The molded version is pretty incredible and highly recommended. Best of the classic monkey ball games unofficially.
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Ps2 was my childhood monkey ball. So basically I grew up on hard mode and every accomplishment could be considered twice as impressive?
Yup, I think I got the best possible outcome out of this. I'm a master at nearly any game I put my mind to today. No regrets here!
Fact: At 7:23 on the PS2 version, Aiai's butt gets wider and flatter whenever he runs.
And on the Xbox version, Aiai's butt gets shorter and thiner whenever he runs.
That's a little too cheeky for my take tbh 🐒
@@KelphelpWdym?
Cheeky cuz AiAi's ass grows too fat or thin 🍑
Nice video bro 👍👍
There is a modded version of Super Monkey Ball 2 for GameCube that adds the SMB1 and Deluxe stages into the game, meaning that it is basically Deluxe for GameCube with all the stuff cut from the other versions actually restored. Dole bananas, ball rolling sounds and fixed audio (the modders made 2 versions, one with fixed and one without) and no deadzone. The downsides are that Story Mode is significantly different, with 10 stages per world, all of them being the ones that came back for Deluxe on PS2 and Xbox. Basically, Story Mode plays only SMB1 and Deluxe stages, no SMB2 stages. Though, every stage in it's entirely is in Challenge Mode. (Master is gone, but Ultimate still remains). In terms of the party games though... those were cut to make room for all the returning stages. For now, that's definitely the definitive way to play Deluxe, at least for me. Great job showing off the differences!
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It's amazing what can be done for these games now
Yup video on that version will be up this week hopefully. I'll be working on that. Thanks for watching.
There was a time when I got a copy of Super Monkey Ball Deluxe for the Xbox, but I never got to play it because the disc couldn't be read by my Xbox 360 (this was back in 2009). Understandably my 7-year-old self was sad because of this. I didn't get to play the Deluxe-exclusive stages until Banana Mania came out. I did get SMB2 four years ago so there's that, but I still have yet to get the first game. Also, playing and/or hearing SMB1/SMB2 brings me nostalgia since they were the first games I ever played.
I'm very late to this incredibly underrated video but this is good stuff!
Can't believe no one has mentioned how long it takes to save a replay yet. My Ps2 literally does that for over a minute.
dont forget the cutscenes in the gamecube are all done in real time in engine, the ps2 and xbox versions are all pre rendered, also people have ported deluxe to the gamecube and it is the definitive way to play super monkey ball deluxe
I not only showed the real engine cutscenes I also made another video regarding the GameCube deluxe mod
Honestly with the Xbox version I was expecting the colors to be like the GameCube version but I was wrong I’m not sure why they are still muted and flat looking the Xbox was the most powerful of the 3 systems but the GameCube still looks better personally I will always preferred the GameCube version
It's not surprising but disappointing just to see such less vibrancy on color saturation and its pretty disappointing too. I wish there was more to deluxe tbh
I don't know what these 5 people don't like about this port Vs port
It was really fair
The only thing you should have talked about is this port isn't bad because of the hardware but the optimization by the developers
Some more flaws about the PS2 version I noticed:
The textures in the ps2 version are much more lower-rez or are scaled weirdly (like in the sky-high version of "choice" th-cam.com/video/ofyanFrf7bk/w-d-xo.html)
Many reflections on the stage in the gamecube version are missing completely in the xbox and ps2 version
The PS2 version seems to miss any lighting on the level itself in some worlds (like at 8:47, the left side of the stage in the ps2 version doesn't have any shadow while the xbox version does)
The Wormholes in the game (introduced around early expert) originally allowed you to look into the wormhole and see out the other end using a virtual camera (think portal). The PS2 version doesn't have it at all and instead just has a flashing green plane. th-cam.com/video/ofyanFrf7bk/w-d-xo.html
Many of the backgrounds in the PS2 version had a decent amount of objects in the background removed on more intensive levels. ADV EX 9 "Ufo", which removes most of the space station in the background, and ADV EX 10 "Ring Bridges" which literally removes everything but the skybox, for instance. th-cam.com/video/ofyanFrf7bk/w-d-xo.html
Advanced 10 was heavily compressed and basically completely redone between Monkey ball 1 and Deluxe, with an outside area added and incredibly glitchy collision. Also missing reflections. They probably had technical issues couldn't get it working in time, I doubt it was CPU-intensive considering that the NAOMI game in arcades could do it.
The amount of players in the monkey race mode went from 8 people in Monkey Ball 2 to just 6 people in Deluxe.
Even with the 30fps cap, some stages (like "waver") lag even more in the ps2 version, especially in widescreen mode where it hits like 10 fps.
Overall, though, great video!
Got a good eye and tons you dissected too! Thanks for watching as well as posting your thoughts! Makes me appreciate each port just a bit more.
PS2 and GC have better transparency. The water looks better and there is no seam that the Xbox version has on the waterfall edge.
Exciting video. I grew up playing Super Monkey Ball Deluxe on the PS2 and besides the annoying loading screens, it was fine. I also enjoyed the different stages they added. I end up completing all levels EXCEPT for Master Extra. It was so difficult, even with 99 lives, it was so difficult to complete.
However, as I grew older and now looking back, the PS2 version didn't age well. Haha.
Ad kids we don't notice the change but ad adults.....🤢🤢🤢
Always love the comparison videos. Very useful when you own multiple systems with the same games. Time is very valuable these days haha
It's exactly why I love doing this series so much. Sometimes you just sometimes you just want to know straight up which version is worth getting in which one is just garbage worth getting in which 1 is just garbage. Thanks A lot for watchin
One difference that I still remember is that Super Monkey Ball Deluxe removed the Dole logo from the bananas due to a licensing dispute. The original arcade Monkey Ball and GameCube's Super Monkey Ball 1 & 2 all have Dole bananas.
Ah slight thing I forgot to mention but you are right! You can see it during the bananana sucky thing where the logo is removed
Having grown up with the Deluxe version on Xbox, I was blown away to see the story cutscenes running at 60fps
Right?! Crazy to see things have been chopped to 30
Nice video man, I subbed. Also, are you going to do a video on Skyward Sword HD?
I would be down but the game costs more than I would like it to. Probably later down the line.
@@Kelphelp you can always pirate 😈
Personally, I prefer Deluxe (specifically on Xbox) because it has the most content, fun minigames, and I’m more into the silence. I don’t wanna hear “wawawawawawaWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA” while I’m rolling the ball all the time.
But hey, maybe that’ll be dethroned when Banana Mania comes out.
Only time will tell man just s couple of months. Really looking forward to some banammm
Same thing, but for SADX and SA2B as well.
My man became One with the monkey and ate Banana.
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Quite literally the only reason why I brought the Deluxe port was because it had all Party Games unlocked from the start. Plus it imported the first Super Monkey Ball's Party Games with the second Party Game.
Otherwise, you might as well stick to the GameCube version.
That's for sure my only way to play it at this point. Much rather prefer that than anything else
The Xbox version of Deluxe does support 480p and 16:9 widescreen, but you must have those settings enabled from the Xbox dashboard because no games on the Xbox actually feature those settings in game. It's a system wide thing. Either way, I really don't like how much of a botched port Deluxe is on both consoles, but specifically on PS2. It makes the console look horrendously weak even though I've definitely seen it pushing significantly better visuals at 480p and 60fps vs that 480i 30fps mess we ended up with. Not to mention that the stuttering between levels makes the game feel borderline unfinished.
It is really disappointing how scuffed so many categories are for this game, and while it does have alot of content it just isn't as memorable as the Gamecube. Its hella disappointing.
Only issue with Banana Mania is that they still haven't fixed the ball whiring sound to make it like SMB 1 and 2. The balls in Banana Mania act like how they did in Deluxe sound wise.
I did hear it was different though, kind of acting like more of a bubble than the whirring. It does seem alot of the game both in audio and character models have changed.
@@Kelphelp At least you can get the classic models and music thankfully
Agreed so it will have that feel of the previous games. It does look fun however. Hoping to cover Banana mania when it drops
There were many annoying continuous sounds I think they didn’t want in Banana Mania. Like the timer constantly ticking, or the bubbly whirring sound when you roll.
Which is fair if that's the case. It is true there is alot of clashing sounds that maybe haven't aged well. Just personal preference but overall the games are much more streamlined for the better
Is the xbox edition game backwards compatible with Xbox series S or X?
Can't say I know, I checked the backwards list snd doesn't seem to be on it.
It's fine since you can technically play these recreated tracks on Banana Mania so it's all good
never heard that whirring sound before in my life. Sounds to me like it'd make a good distraction. Meanwhile for some reason I find it more realistically suitable that somehow more realistically you'd hear the subtle wobbling sound as in the ps2 vers going slow, then as your monkey attempts to break the sound barrier, things tense up as the world from their perspective starts to blur out and everything gets quiet as all eyes are on your movements of this ball as it spins at impossible rates lol
I've grown up seeing Monkey Ball with that noise and to see it go silent is just creepy as hell. Like balls make sounds. It make soundss
@@Kelphelp it must be eerie as what! especially if that's what you were hearing 24/7 every bit of motion made! I could imagine.. ps2 version is all I've ever known tho as it being one of my first 5 console games and all
@@Kelphelp its so funny how ps2 and gamecube are so on opposite ends of the spectrum. And I always tell the story of how I should've had a gamecube as first console. always loved the mario and monkey ball combo and I wanted to mimic my fren down the street by getting monkey ball+melee back then when I first took home the gamecube, still remember the butterflies i had in the car riding home to finally bring it to my living room and never have to leave the house to play or share screen time again! But somehow i can't quite remember how devastated I was when my dad brought it back upon realizing it couldn't play dvds. LOL
I feel like im all the more better for it now, cause I couldn't imagine growing up without open world games like kh1&2 or Ty Tiger, and seeing how nintendo fanatics are on youtube these days, I think I'd rather stick to the indie gems than hope on another good mario title or have been obsessed over the various other franchises they held. ps2 just felt so much more expansive and unique. And I still came back to enjoy most of what I missed in more recent years, and I feel like Im enjoying it more now than I probably would've as a kid, not getting the various references in games like paper mario 2 and never meeting the skill requirement for sunshine (im not sure kids should even try and beat that), then there's melee...
And you know all the time still I can't help but wonder how my gaming and internet dwelling life would've been different had I grew up on the gamecube instead. Probably might've finally gotten a ds at some point too
I think you have to change something in settings because when I played Deluxe on Xbox, it was automatically in Widescreen with no ingame way to make it 4:3.
Yup couple people mentioned that and should be able to next time. Appreciate it man.
Think I'll just stick to the GameCube versions for now. I really wanted to get Deluxe, but it doesn't seem like a worthwhile investment. Good thing Banana Mania's just around the corner! 😁🍌
Banana Mania will satisfy man. It's looking to be incredible.
Banana Mania has the Deluxe levels and they are in their own mode as to not fuck up the pace, but it's still fun to play them at all.
That's why I appreciate Banana Mania so much. I made a video on that very thing and man...it's amazing yo see what was added
@@Kelphelp Kinda sad many fans crap on the game, and even one video call it a "betrayal" of the franchise.
I liked it.
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Monkey Race only has 6 Racers in the deluxe version while SMB2 has 8 Racers.
Most likely where DX comes from then
Reminds me of when I bought Sonic Riders for GameCube which looked good while the PS2 version had framerate drops, choppier graphics.I was playing the PS2 demo of it.
Wait until you compare GameCube Sonic Heroes with PS2 Sonic Heroes
I refuse to touch Sonic Heroes or anything on this channel again. Tired of sonic ngl
It's sad that the xbox version doesn't have the sounds and color from the gamecube version, I was gonna give it a shot on my own system but I guess I'll just emulate the originals
Yea it's those little things that really bothers me about the Xbox port. It could be good but it's missing quite a bit to make it comparable
Ok yeah the ps2 version is p scuffed but it's so nostalgic for me
*sigh*
Poor PS2, almost always getting the short end of the stick when it came to some ports/multiplatform titles.
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa it's got good titles but damn the ports for sure suffer.
@@Kelphelp Like, I won't pretend I know anything about hardware and optimization, but if a game like Burnout Revenge could display in 480p and still run around 60fps, what was holding everyone else back, y'know? 😅
It depends honestly. Some consoles are harder to port than others, some have to be severely downscaled and compressed, others well...choices can be odd or lazy. It's never one reason because so many factors affect development and so many more aren't shown to light. I'll won't act I know anything about development cuz I really don't, but man porting games can be a real tough job
@@Kelphelp See, *these* are the kinds of things I'd love to read or hear about in behind-the-scenes stuff or developer interviews if I could find them.
Cool video but i don't play that cuz i don't think i have a console that is needed to play that game but cool comparsians ill think about playing that game
Take a lookie and you be surprised it might be easier to play than you think
Take a lookie and you be surprised it might be easier to play than you think
If you want a good version of this, then download the fan made game cube version and choose path and choose this
After I made this video, I did actually a modding video to highlight this monkey ball mod. I absolutely love the way it plays and looks and it's a great way to play DX but on a GameCube and using all those settings
I agree with you, I just wish it had all the stages in story mode
Yeah and I wish some of them didn't crash either, I do wonder this has been updated
Did some of the stages crash your game? On my computer the frame rate will slow down and on the steam deck everything’s fine
So I ran it on my GameCube itself and it ran fine but there were some levels that I couldn't do properly. I usually don't try on emulators and on original hardware so that's another issue
I know Deluxe is way better, but guys, should I keep Deluxe or bring back 1 and 2 as GameCube versions?
I probably miss Mid-Summer Jungle Square from SMB1 (Well, they are both the same square stage, one is the Jungle background that doesn’t crumble, and the other one is the Jungle Island background does), and I miss 8 player Monkey Race.
If I get rid of Deluxe, I won't be able to play 46 Deluxe stages anymore. I mean, it's rare game. But I can play them in Banana Mania.
I miss those two games on the GameCube.
I’m not really a PlayStation and Xbox person, I’m a Nintendo person. But they gosh they don’t port Deluxe to the PC port.
Up to you. Deluxe has more stages but significantly more flaws. Choice is yours on that. I personally prefer 1 and 2 over Deluxe
Thats hilarious. I have been playing on ps2 for like a year. I thought i was just bad at monkey ball because I am stuck on world 7.
Naw the lag be bad that's why 🤢
I guess Monkey Ball 1 & 2 are the best versions of Monkey Ball right now.
At the moment yes! The titles are more expensive but if you want s cheaper option seems Banana Mania might help with that!
omg i reamber playing this i need to look thru my boxes of old games and hopefully find it to play it on the xbox again
Well if you do you in for a treat
cool vid
Appreciate it. Thanks for watching
I played monkey ball deluxe on ps2 and i swear it had the ball spinning sounds when going full speed. That looked more like a emulator bug or something
No this is on PS2 hardware. I never use emulators for my videos
@@Kelphelp I need to go bust out my PS2 cuz i swear i remember the ball rolling noise being there but maybe I am misremembering because my cousin had monkey ball 2 on gc lol
That's exactly why. The sound was on GC, not PS2. I can absolutely and with certainty guarantee that. The footage of the sounds playing is from their respective hardware
Deluxe might be considered a bad port (I think the Xbox version is just fine), it is DEFINITELY not the worst Monkey Ball port. Super Monkey Ball for the Nokia N-Gage is a port of Super Monkey Ball Jr, which itself is a GBA "port" (i guess Demake would be the proper term) of Super Monkey Ball 1. Jr is... fine, servicable. But SMB N-Gage is genuinely atrocious, butchering the music into a 5-Second loop that sounds more like a Siivagunner Blueball rip than anything from actual Monkey Ball, controls that feel as stiff as a wooden board frozen by winter and graphics... that aren't actually too bad all things considered. SMB N-Gage is not only the worst port of SMB1, it might actually be the worst Monkey Ball game ever made.
I wish there was a Wii version later on instead of Banana Blitz.
Later one? What do you mean
Kelphelp I think they meant deluxe on the Wii
Haven't seen a version of Deluxe on the Wii or I would have covered it.
Unless they mean Step and Roll or Banana Blitz
Kelphelp They’re implying that they wish there was a version of deluxe on Wii
Ohhhhhhhhh. Okay....that was a dumb ass moment from me. Carry on floating smash logo.
Okay so thats why it was slippery compared to the gamecube
Yea man that dead zone is horrible. Made the game feel worse than it actually is
@@Kelphelp thanks for the analysis this had me sad literally when I was little thinking I could play both my favorite games combined on ps2 but it was slippery lol couldn't beat expert remember I broke a remote 😂
Keep updated this week and I will have the answer for that + the GameCube/ deluxe version
I think that you maybe missconfigured something in the xbox, i have the xbox port and i play it my xbox 360 and the game shows up in native widescreen with no stretching, i think that the xbox had an widescreen/hd configuration so you might wanna check that out.
Other than that this is a great video
Yea someone commented in the vid to simply just change it to wide-screen on the main menu. Was using the OG xbox so just evaded be but appreciate ya clearing it up man. Thanks for watching man
@@Kelphelp well, other than that this is a great video, and thanks for replying
Pleasure by all mine man appreciate the watch. Glad people be loving it!
Monkey Ball Deluxe's PS2 port is absolutely awful and shows why the PS2 is nowhere near as good as the GameCube or the original Xbox.
Also the PS2 had so much shovelware on it, whereas the GameCube and original Xbox have little to no shovelware.
And for the most part, GameCube and original Xbox versions have way better ports that look and run a lot better than they do on PS2.
The Xbox port of Deluxe is actually really good. It plays pretty well on the 360 as well.
An awful Sega port doesn't show anything. And the PS2's library is still superior to the Gamecubes and XBOX' combined.
@@unknown11833 I vastly prefer the GameCube and OG Xbox libraries over the PS2 library because those libraries have way less shovelware than what the PS2 has.
Just because a console has so many games doesn't mean that all of the games are that good or the library is superior.
more videos like this please.
Bro you know more will come just you wait
In my life, I constantly cycle between living in Puerto Rico and Florida. When I decided to take my old PS2 to Florida, I could've chosen to take SMB Deluxe (since I own it's PS2 version and still haven't lost that disc yet), but all those whole/entire shitty lagging issues caused me to hesitate bringing SMBDX with me, because it just doesn't feel fun with such a nasty lag. Man, how I wish I ever owned an Xbox at some point in my life, I would totally prefer to play that version of SMBDX instead because it's much, much faster & smoother than that garbage PS2 version. 😐
Random, but what did you think of Super Monkey Ball Banana Mania?
Gimme bout a week. I'll give you my opinion in the 2021 games I played very soon!
@@Kelphelp cool.
Poor PS2, this console unfortunally don't age well, with less performance than Gamecube and Xbox.
But when you compare Monkey Ball Delux, we can see how the PS2 analogue video is so wash out, with bad color and brightness compare to his conterpart. Even the PSP is more appeling today, with the Component or with the sharpscale homebrew on a hack PS TV.
I hope the PS2Digital than PixelFX tease can add a big upgrade to the PS2 video quality, because it's sad than the best selling console ever wasn't pleasant to look out.
Nice Port vs Port.
Not all games but some ps2 games are really Great
Games like metal gear solid 3 won't even run on gamecube because of its dvd size
There are a lot of other examples as well
Ps2 never suffered in game library
@@akhandtripathipyz9888 Don't get le wrong, I never say than the library was the ps2 problème.
My issue is about the PS2 video signal who's really bad compare to the Xbox, GameCube and the Dreamcast. That's why I hope for the release of the PS2Digital by pixelfx to bypass the analog signal with a true digital signal via HDMI out.
Well they didn't used the ps2 nicely
So many ps2 games won't even run on gamecube like metal gear solid 3 and god of war 2
Ps2 never lacked game library and often times gets better ports
Another example resident evil 4 on ps2 has better sound than wii version only the resolution is lower
what kind of sofa is that bro?
It's an oooldddd one I got from a local furniture store. Pretty damn comfy
Bananas are delicious.
Here you deserve 🍌🍌🍌
Xbox cannot do transparencies well. The waterfall doesn’t look great at 8:48
Ah I didn't notice that. Yea not feeling thr Xbox version at all on this.
Worst ports? What?! No gatekeeping!
With a response like this I guarantee you didnt watch the entire video. At all
@@Kelphelp I don't have to with such bullshit claim.
Come have an actual conversation when you watched the video and we can properly discuss it. Responding to the title literally does nothing for the both of us. So you can either watch and we can have a legit constructive conversation or you can sit there spitting out dumb baseless comments. Your choice
@@Kelphelp I watched the video. Still preferred Deluxe because more for value.
That's pretty fair. 300+ stages is intense in Deluxe and incredible to see how long the content lasts. Still going strong too.
Ps2 one looks like Psp
I mean PSP has PS2 style of graphics so it makes sense tbh
@@Kelphelp i know, but usually ps2 looks better than psp, even with the same style, ps2 version looks FAR MORE CHEAPER than it should
I know PS2 fanboys hate to read but....facts don't care about your feelings- the PS2 graphical hardware was outdated by early 2002...almost every PS2 multi platform game is visually worse than GC and Xbox
A good portion of games definitely are 100%. I always felt the real magic of the PS2 was the availability and variety of the games on the console. That's where it shines
@@Kelphelp that is very true
So its sound like how Sonic Heroes runs on ps2,xbox and gamecube,..and ps2 runs the worst
Lord remind me to never ever do a Port vs Port of Sonic Heroes. Now I actually have a better reason not to play it
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What’s with SEGA and shit ports?
Lack of caring.
You understand that the PS2 was much weaker than the Gamecube and xbox right?
Oh yes I do. And it still sucks Monkey Butt
@@Kelphelp Monkey butt lol, I see what you did there..
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Couldn't stomach listening to you talk with food in your mouth. Never been put off a video faster lol, guess I'm not watching this video.
Bwahahaha gooooodddddddd. Best comment I got all day.