Great work showing the extra tuning possibilities! I have had mine since launch and it took about 6 months before I learned a lot of this. there is so much depth hidden in those oscillators and sequencer assign buttons.
Great video, music and tutorial, although with 3K+ of other gear enhancing the Subby its not surprising the overall jam/composition sounds good. I love my Subby and have just started to explore the aspect of getting away from using the major scale it (usually) quantizes too, im finding tuning the oscillators is pretty easy but I ALWAYS get a sequencer note off key and struggle even when its set to single octave and 12ET
Good point - you do need a certain amount of other gear to make a full track with the SubH! And yes, it does take a bit of trial and error to get a decent sequence. Good luck with your explorations!
Hi! It's me again. In revisiting this video I'm hoping you can explain your patch into the Disting N1 algorithm, the two seq clock outputs on the SH and the Shortbus OR combining in more detail? Would love to learn how to beat match. No worries if not. I'm just trying to gleam all that I can from your SH videos! Thanks
Hi, I love this track you made with the SH. Thanks for sharing it! I do have a couple questions since I am new to the SH and well, music theory. 1. Could you please explain why in the key of D Aeolian "Now I can set my sequencer to any note except the 2nd (E) (the ii would require a flattened fifth)" 2. Would you be willing to share your chord progression for both the sequencers? Thanks so much! I love your work!
Nice vid. if only there was some kind of sub freq scale-quantiser. I find it almost impossible to tweak live without ending up in sour note territory. I basically have to limit myself to the top ~40 % of values, and still that limits the really bad stuff, but there is no actual stepped way to navigate the subharmonics, as far as I'm aware?
Cheers Gavin, and I know what you mean. As it happens, I just uploaded a a new video with further ideas for sequencing the subs. Might be useful: th-cam.com/video/adFmz-w0d0I/w-d-xo.html Otherwise, just embrace those "sour notes"! Good luck!
After having tried this myself, I can’t quiet wrap my head around the theory behind it. When we want to have a minor scale, are we restricted to a certain tonic? You mentioned tuning the SubH to A (=sixth of C) as to get an A minor scale. In that case, do you mean tuning the main OSC to A? If so, i get it, as A minor has the same notes as C major (only white keys). Later, you mention that if you tune the sub OSCs to D and the main OSC to A you get a D minor scale. This made me think that from there on we could simply transpose the sequencer up and down via the main OSC tune knob to any tonic and still maintain the minor mode. I tried that but it seems to go back to major - maybe I’m just doing or hearing something wrong here. Hope you can help me out on this! Cheers.
Good question - thanks for asking. Yes, we are restricted on the SubH to a root note of C (in the first mode, ie. Ionian). So if we want an Aeolian mode, it has to be in the key of A - ie. we treat the A as the root. But if we set the sub-oscillators to the third subharmonic (giving us a fourth, ie. D), and then treat those subs as the root, then we get D Aeolian. (maybe the word "tune" threw you off?). Hope that helps!
One more thing: I am tuning the main oscillators to A, so that when the sequencer dials are reset to zero (fully counter-clockwise) they give the first note in the scale (ie. A....or D, if we go by the subs, as above)
It's 1 of the moog products that I own & was never really impressed with what I did with it. It's very tricky to get something sounding good in a fast manner. Especially, I hate the way it sounds very jittery clocked when using with more than 1 of the rhythm controller. Even though they claim that these polyrhyhms are on beat,they sure can sound a mess. Very much like an unstable clock source. It probably can be used to make a cool sound sequence like your video showed,but it's not fast and easy to program as I'd prefer.
I know what you mean about it getting messy. One way to rein in the polyrhythms - which I tried here - was to set rhythm 1 and rhythm 2 to an even subdivision of the master clock (eg. /8 and /16), and then use rhythm 3 and 4 for odd subdivisions. That way, you always get a hit on the main beats of the bar.
First of all, I thought everybody could figure this out. Second of all, speaking as a person who got a bachelors degree composing on Moog fives, mocha 55, Bukola systems, and studying the music of Stockhausen, I can’t understand why anybody would ever want to go actual modular again. I tweaked enough knobs when I was 18, now that I’m 60 I don’t want to anymore. But viva la difference!
Thanks Jim, for listening and commenting. You are correct - this is not advanced music theory, although it's probably not immediately obvious to Subharmonicon users (many of whom don't have music degrees) that it's possible to get minor scales on it, etc. And yes, sure there are downsides to modular, but it also takes you places you'd never have gone with traditional instruments!
This has to be the cleverest piece of advice I have received about the Subharmonicon. Hats off !
Thanks, glad to hear it's useful.
Great work showing the extra tuning possibilities! I have had mine since launch and it took about 6 months before I learned a lot of this. there is so much depth hidden in those oscillators and sequencer assign buttons.
Thanks Fuzzfooger! I feel like I'm only scraping the surface here!
Thank you, your video has been so inspiring for me to do melodic techno using the SUBH !
Thanks, that's great to hear!
Wonderful track and great little tutorial... I super enjoy my Subharmonicon. It's so fun....
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Thanks for commenting and subscribing Paul, my fellow Subharmonicist!
Very much enjoyed this. Nice and relaxing.
Thanks, great to hear!
everyone needs to learn basic music theory, you just proved that with your good advice :) Nice 2cv model too!
Cheers, subatomicuk. I guess the 2CV was a bit random!
Great video, music and tutorial, although with 3K+ of other gear enhancing the Subby its not surprising the overall jam/composition sounds good. I love my Subby and have just started to explore the aspect of getting away from using the major scale it (usually) quantizes too, im finding tuning the oscillators is pretty easy but I ALWAYS get a sequencer note off key and struggle even when its set to single octave and 12ET
Good point - you do need a certain amount of other gear to make a full track with the SubH! And yes, it does take a bit of trial and error to get a decent sequence. Good luck with your explorations!
Banging my head with this tune!! Great work !!
Thanks Victor, glad you like it!
My SH is in the mail on its way to me and i hope i can make something sound half as good as this someday , incredible music well done
Hi Aaron, congrats on the SH purchase - you'll have a lot of fun with it, I'm sure!!
Fantastic video sir. 🙇🏻♂️
Much obliged!
Hi! It's me again. In revisiting this video I'm hoping you can explain your patch into the Disting N1 algorithm, the two seq clock outputs on the SH and the Shortbus OR combining in more detail? Would love to learn how to beat match. No worries if not. I'm just trying to gleam all that I can from your SH videos! Thanks
Hi Lisa, unfortunately I can't remember the exact settings of the patch. Hope you manage to glean what you're looking for...
Love this track! 😊
Thanks Susannah!
This is really cool. Thanks
Glad you liked it, Ian!
Well done!
Thanks!
great video
look forward to more
well done, the subs will ride in
Thanks skipper, I'll try to keep them coming!
Wow this seems to be a fantastic resource! Need to check in detail once I’m back at my SubH!
Thanks - hope it turns out to be useful later on!
Hi, I love this track you made with the SH. Thanks for sharing it! I do have a couple questions since I am new to the SH and well, music theory. 1. Could you please explain why in the key of D Aeolian "Now I can set my sequencer to any note except the 2nd (E) (the ii would require a flattened fifth)" 2. Would you be willing to share your chord progression for both the sequencers? Thanks so much! I love your work!
Sorry, I see now that you shared your chord progression. thanks
Thanks for your comment Lisa. Yes, I think the chord progression is in the video. Good luck with your explorations of the SH!
I like what you've done here. I ♥ SubH
Thanks - I ❤my SubH too!
Awesome work on this tutorial EMM !
Thanks!
Nice vid. if only there was some kind of sub freq scale-quantiser. I find it almost impossible to tweak live without ending up in sour note territory. I basically have to limit myself to the top ~40 % of values, and still that limits the really bad stuff, but there is no actual stepped way to navigate the subharmonics, as far as I'm aware?
Cheers Gavin, and I know what you mean. As it happens, I just uploaded a a new video with further ideas for sequencing the subs. Might be useful:
th-cam.com/video/adFmz-w0d0I/w-d-xo.html
Otherwise, just embrace those "sour notes"! Good luck!
Great video! Would love to see a quick tutorial on this (i don’t own one yet) 😊
Thanks, I may well do a tutorial or two in the future!
I have coffee going from my mug through my mouth to my esophagus and into my stomach as I watch this video.
I'd like to see a patch diagram of that please.
Fantastic - Thank You!
Thank you for listening!
After having tried this myself, I can’t quiet wrap my head around the theory behind it.
When we want to have a minor scale, are we restricted to a certain tonic?
You mentioned tuning the SubH to A (=sixth of C) as to get an A minor scale.
In that case, do you mean tuning the main OSC to A? If so, i get it, as A minor has the same notes as C major (only white keys).
Later, you mention that if you tune the sub OSCs to D and the main OSC to A you get a D minor scale.
This made me think that from there on we could simply transpose the sequencer up and down via the main OSC tune knob to any tonic and still maintain the minor mode.
I tried that but it seems to go back to major - maybe I’m just doing or hearing something wrong here.
Hope you can help me out on this!
Cheers.
Good question - thanks for asking. Yes, we are restricted on the SubH to a root note of C (in the first mode, ie. Ionian). So if we want an Aeolian mode, it has to be in the key of A - ie. we treat the A as the root. But if we set the sub-oscillators to the third subharmonic (giving us a fourth, ie. D), and then treat those subs as the root, then we get D Aeolian. (maybe the word "tune" threw you off?). Hope that helps!
One more thing: I am tuning the main oscillators to A, so that when the sequencer dials are reset to zero (fully counter-clockwise) they give the first note in the scale (ie. A....or D, if we go by the subs, as above)
thanks from a SubH lover
Thanks for listening!
sweet track !!
Thanks for listening, yawninghyaena!
It's 1 of the moog products that I own & was never really impressed with what I did with it. It's very tricky to get something sounding good in a fast manner. Especially, I hate the way it sounds very jittery clocked when using with more than 1 of the rhythm controller.
Even though they claim that these polyrhyhms are on beat,they sure can sound a mess. Very much like an unstable clock source.
It probably can be used to make a cool sound sequence like your video showed,but it's not fast and easy to program as I'd prefer.
I know what you mean about it getting messy. One way to rein in the polyrhythms - which I tried here - was to set rhythm 1 and rhythm 2 to an even subdivision of the master clock (eg. /8 and /16), and then use rhythm 3 and 4 for odd subdivisions. That way, you always get a hit on the main beats of the bar.
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Cheers!!
First of all, I thought everybody could figure this out. Second of all, speaking as a person who got a bachelors degree composing on Moog fives, mocha 55, Bukola systems, and studying the music of Stockhausen, I can’t understand why anybody would ever want to go actual modular again. I tweaked enough knobs when I was 18, now that I’m 60 I don’t want to anymore. But viva la difference!
Thanks Jim, for listening and commenting. You are correct - this is not advanced music theory, although it's probably not immediately obvious to Subharmonicon users (many of whom don't have music degrees) that it's possible to get minor scales on it, etc. And yes, sure there are downsides to modular, but it also takes you places you'd never have gone with traditional instruments!