Wise choice on the narrow tires. I did the same on my recent wrangler build. Most of your global overlanders that run Australia and Africa run narrow tires. These guys experience more diverse terrain situations than most of us weekend warriors will ever encounter.
Thanks, been over a year and I'm still happy with it. I have a article I wrote on MudddyRuttzz.com with more information on the subject. Check it out here:www.muddyruttzz.com/post/pizza-cutters-why-narrow-tires-are-better-for-overlanding
285/75’s are not even close to being “pizza cutters”. However, they are a great tire size. I’ve run them in different tread patterns and load ratings on many different vehicles over the years. All of my driving is in a place where road, weather and driving conditions change not just seasonally, but also daily. I’ve stuck with them because they out perform narrower and wider tires in most driving conditions. As well, most tire shops have them in stock when I need them. Good choice, but again, not “pizza cutters”.
@travisolander4749for sure, but most people think of 10.5” and narrower on a 35+ and 9.5” and narrower on 34 and below when they’re talking about pizza cutters. One of my all time favorites was the 34x9.5 super swampers.
In Africa and Australia 225/95 r16s are common on Land cruisers and Land Rovers in the mines. By no means a performance tyre, they are relatively light, cheap and idiot proof.
Looks good, man. I went with M-55s in 255/85r16, and I love them. Cheers. BTW, I use my tires on an 02' Silverado 2500HD, and tow a 10.5K lb. 5th wheel. Today I drove up some narrow, steep, unpaved, and snow-covered roads. Snow was about 10", and didn't have to air down. Thanks for the video.
@@MuddyRuttzzskinny tires make offroad sense, but the JK has such wide fenders and skinnies sit inboard of the fender exterior. I run 235/85 16's on my stock steel wheels (2 dr JK). It's a stiff ride, the only consolation is knowing the sidewalls are tuff!
yes they will,,,, Ive got a 2020 JL with 16" rims...I had a set of 16" nitto terra grapplers that I used with procomp rims that Will work on the JL... you just can't put any wheel balancing weights on the back...there's just about a 1/4" clearance on the calipers...@@MuddyRuttzz
Michelin 8R19.5 load range F, on steel disc wheels. True "pizza cutters", these are nominal 33.5 inches tall and 8 inches wide. Each tire is rated to carry 3500 pounds. I run these on my 1971 International Harvester 1310. I love ❤ them. These probably wouldn't work well in sand, but my truck is not suited for sand. The best fuel economy i have achieved was 14.4 mpg with 4.875 gearing and no overdrive. With ethanol "enhanced" fuel i achieve slightly less. My truck is 5500 pounds empty.
The contact patch is actually the same (objectively measured by many people), but the patch is longer and less wide so it cuts through mud. The tires also deform easier and can wrap around edges.
I am looking at getting 255/85R16 to fit on stock suspension with a 0mm offset wheel since my 2023 Tacoma has a 25mm factory offset and 265/70R16 tire. I am also looking for better mpg over flotation as I don’t really off road much and mainly commute. The hardest thing is for me to find a C load range. I like the Steelies look on an Overland rig. I am looking to get Volk Racing TE37XT’s 16x7.5 if possible (probably have to get 16x8), to get the rolling mass & unsprung weight less than stock.
Looks great, great choice in tires and size, did you add a programmer to adjust the speedometer to the larger tire size , even as little as 3-4 mph off could get you in trouble, also if you calibrate, your shift points will be more accurate, great video, thanks
I’ve got a Tacoma sport with 17s. I’ve thought about buying some ATs for some light off roading at some point, but with a separate set of rims as my truck is primarily street driven. I like the idea of a narrower tire than many rigs that never get off road are seen running.
I love pizza cutters. Better in snow and ice too. Typically better on fuel economy too. Not an exact science but I estimate every 1” of extra tire width = -1 mpg on Jeeps. If you go with an AT tread you can probably add another 2mpg over MTs.
Not so much tire width that affects fuel consumption as it is tire *weight* , then tread pattern (M/T having the greatest rolling resistance). Hanging a 100-lb wheel/tire assembly on something designed to roll +/- 60 lbs is why we see so many steering linkage and hub failures. Be careful with unsprung weight; it's not just a "peformance" detriment as it is asking to beat up your hubs and linkages. Flame away.
@@yuzeyang8847 my truck isn’t in the artic but yes on mid Atlantic snow/ice covered roads it would far outperform an artic truck at highway speeds as the artic truck would have enough ground pressure to control the vehicle at speed
I’m doing something similar with my ‘22 WILLYS Sport JEEP EcoDiesel truck. I was considering sticking with the 17” wheel but I knew I would have regretted it when it was all said and done. I’m going up to an 18” wheel and will be purchasing 285/75/18 Toyo Open Country RT/Trail tires. This is as close to a true 35” tall tire that you can get. I believe they are 34.8” inches tall mounted. A 35x12 isn’t 35 inches tall mounted. Living in Interior Alaska we have snow 7-8 months of the year and you simply get better traction with a narrower width tire. How is the Fox lift kit you put on the Wrangler holding up? I considered this lift early on too but I have settled on the AEV 2.5 RT Sport lift beings AEV utilizes Bilstein shocks which IMHO perform extremely well in extreme cold. Thanks for the video! Cheers from North Pole, Alaska! 🎅🏻🎄🇺🇸
Thanks! I like the Fox on my Wrangler but obviously that AEV can’t be beat. Stock Fox on our Gladiator Rubicon don’t make me feel as good. Maybe a aftermarket Fox shock is better than factory. Check out this other video. I put some Nittos on our Gladiator. They call them 35s but they end up smaller. th-cam.com/video/VgePZT1kjlE/w-d-xo.html
I was always under the impression that So called pizza cutters where 80 or 85 profile tires. Any way lots of good info in your video! Stay safe and happy overlanding.
I definitely like the pizza cutters. This size seems perfect. Another video was saying E rated only, I think for more sidewall durability but who knows. I've got a full-size Silverado with the V8, and I plan on adding 500-600lbs in the bed with a camper setup, so I'll have to think hard about the load rating.
Not just overlanding, offroading period. Tests prove those narrow tires break down faster when deflated to the same PSI as wider tires. They leave a larger contact patch when deflated when measuring total area. They also do a better job of just kind of flowing over the top of an obstacle where wider tires still bump over again at the same PSI. Add in the increases in mileage, less wear on your vehicles suspension and drivetrain components, add in improved sound and comfort and it's a no brainer. I recently bought a Wrangler with 12.5" wide MT tires and can't wait to repalce them with more narrow tires.
Wow, thanks for sharing you knowledge. I’m not a expert. I do my research, try to weed out the guys just selling, and make the best decision I can. Cheers!
@@MuddyRuttzz It's just info I came accross in my research so can't take the credit. A lot of what formed my opinion, though not all of it, was this video done by Tinkerer's Adventure. Imo the tests he performed were well done and applicable to the real world, and definitely went a long way toward basically switching my thinking 180 degrees on the subject. th-cam.com/video/6wAJAOxh8LE/w-d-xo.html
No regrets. Just talking today with a buddy that went to Joshua Tree with me. Not excessive noise, handles as well as you can expect a lifted Jeep. They are wearing well. I like the Nittos on my wifes Gladiator too.th-cam.com/video/VgePZT1kjlE/w-d-xo.html
Realized stock tires were not a good look and a bigger tire would provide more clearance. I like the look of the steelies and they can be dollied out if you ding them. Aluminum will crack and break. More info on the wheels here: Why Are Steel Wheels The Best For Off-Road? (Steelies Setup Made Easy) th-cam.com/video/lAVv4gg9gLA/w-d-xo.html
I agree. I just came here to comment that 285s are not pixxa cutters. Neither are 265s. I just put 235s on my dodge diesel . Wildpeaks. They are more than enough .
You made a good choice of tires, whether it’s on a car or truck most people assume wider is better but generally the benefit of a wider tire are few and far between. If you like the look of a fat tire you are giving up a lot for that look! More unsprung weight causes worse fuel economy,braking distance, acceleration, more suspension and steering wear and more likely to hydroplane. But for many people it’s all about the image and skinny tires don’t portray the image they want to portray. 😊
Thanks. One of my early videos before I got better gear for sons and editing. My videos are a lot better production techniques now. Check out my 15 tips for visiting Molokai Hawaii. Getting tons of positive response. Thanks!
You should get yourself The Mickey Thompson Baja Boss A/T Tires in standard load range. They are awesome!!! The Nitto Ridge Grapplers are really good too.
I'm actually going through a similar issue with a small car, for different reasons. the steal rims have a lot of advantages. if they get dented you straighten them with a hammer. and they drive really really well. i think i'm going to stick with the stealies.
Awsm!…why not 255 or even less with the same tire height? …what’s the load rating of those bad boys as a C load rating?… keep in mind the load rating is when the tire is at road pressure & it drops, as the psi drops …so it’s better to go with a tire that has a high load rating, so it’s still enough when you air down.
You got me thinking. I got this from the Jeep Gladiator Forum. "Nitto has a 37x11.50 tire. Kenda Klever has a 35x10.50. I think there's a Super Swamper tire that's 35x9.50. If you wanted a pizza cutter 33" you can get the 255/80R17. " I myself was torn between tires I got and the Kenda Klevers. I wanted a American made tire or I would have got the Klevers.
Not really pizza cutters, but they look great on that rig. Nice footprint. I like the utility look. And, much more practical for all the reasons you mentioned - especially the one about the daily driver aspect. Me too. I have a mint 1995 Grand Cherokee. Putting fatties on those looks so ghetto to me. I installed 30x9.50x15's KO2's mounted on early 2000's Ford Ranger steel rims - painted silver - not black. I think the black wheels must be a generational thing and I'm too old to appreciate it😉. 3" lift and it looks like it should have from the factory, instead of a soccer mom SUV. Narrow footprint, excellent roadbility, and enough grab so I can get to my back country camp spots. Still gets the factory 20mpg on the hiway and is very quiet.
285s are pizza cutters now? I had 285/75 and then 315/75 on 16s on my truck and one inch larger wheel doesn't a pizza cutter make, IMO. Terminology aside, I think you chose a great tire and wheel setup for your application and it looks great. Next time, try the 255/80r17 on those same wheels. THAT is a pizza cutter, since they are the same diameter but 1.5" narrower and can be mounted to wheels that are 7.5" wide. And they have the same load rating.
Liked your vid however as a professional videographer might I suggest you check your volume levels on your different cuts cause it did change and I had to adjust my iPad volume levels several times while watching.....Aloha from Honolulu
Wireless is good but signals can be interfered with..I use all pro SONY stuff, a hard wire XLR cable is best especially if you aint moving around much. I always use wired in ear earphones when capturing audio and test check the clips with covered earphones 🎧 before publishing...good in ear earphones can be had at Best Buy..my SONY set was under 30 bucks... Keep up the good work. Aloha from Hawaii
My wife is getting more independent every day. Im going to try to get over to Scott’s Valley and ride with Jim and Roger tomorrow. Probably get out with you guys week from next Thursday at Wilder.
Narrow tires are better at everything except where you need flotation . Like sand and swampy mud . You also can control your vehicle better keeping it on the road and not in the ditch.
I have a 2020 Gladiator Overland that has stock 255/70r18’s. I want to go to the 285/75r18 but I love my stock rims. Are there any safety issues with keeping the 7.5 rims and getting the larger tires?
Your best friend making that decision is the tire manufacturer’s specs. If your tire of choice is listed for installation on a Stock Jeep 7.5” rim be sure that’s what the tire is rated for. I think about what we ask tires to do like driving 110 degrees roads, airing down and I want to make sure I’m safe.
What is the advantage of the steel wheel over the stock one? You mention in the beginning you wanted to use the stock wheel but changed, I'm curious why. I'm looking to put 35's on my stock 17's on my Gladiator Rubicon so I'm interested. Wouldn't the steelies be heavier?
Aluminum wheels break, steel wheels bend. If you dent the steel wheel they can be dollied back into shape and hold air. They are also cheap and USA made. Actually I made my mind up when I saw steelies on a new Bronco and thought they looked cool. Check my video where I put 35s on stock Gladiator wheels. Thanks! th-cam.com/video/VgePZT1kjlE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=D76uxpDzZ2d2n5s3
Check this little short video. I have all the part #s for steely setup. I think the lug nuts came from Summit Racing (no relationship). Thanks! th-cam.com/video/BhxIx1OzUjQ/w-d-xo.html
Just check the load inflation tables. It should go down a few PSI. Most LT titrs bottom out at about 35 though as the minimum whereas passenger tires will go all the way down to 26. It can be lower than 35 for LT tires but it usually requires a pretty large tire. Yours might be large enough to go below 35. In general , it takes 5-10 more PSI in an LT tire to hold the same weight. The difference is , LT tires START at 35 PSI... Passenger tires end at 35 PSI typically for the load carrying capacity regardless if the max pressure they can take is higher.
Great video. I think “pizza cutters” have a place. My personal experience is a 295/75R17 would have been a better choice. Reason is it’s slightly taller then those and obviously the advantages are clearances and the fact that on the highway the diesel will actually do better on fuel because you’re grearing it down. Ie the stock 3.73 goes to a 3.55. The diesel makes up for that and prefers the lower gear ratio. Next would be overlanding I wouldn’t necessarily agree a 6ply sidewall is a great setup. And e rated tire you drop 7 psi and it will ride the same as a c on road. Next would be off road. I agree in ways you do need to run lower pressures but you really only need to drop to 15psi vs 18. Personally I’ve never popped or burped a tire at those pressures. But towing off road it’s no just the weight advantage it’s when you side load a tire that light it has a higher chance of popping off. Next would be impacting the tire the e is just a stronger tire. Last but not least “I love the steel wheels” but to be fair their not really stronger off road in the real world “unless your talking about driving out on a flat tire”. Their been a ton of people “and myself included” that used to believe that adage. But after 21 years off road I’ve gotten “more damage” with a steel rim vs a aluminum rim. Yes if you bend a steel rim it could be fixed. But it almost never happens. Great video and very helpful to some in ways.
Hey, do you have a part number for the wheels? I found Mopar Wheel 17" Steel Winter & Off Road 52124455AB, but the offset is 47.3 mm. I've got a 2018 Rubicon and it came with mud tires. I want less noise and a better ride.
I would recommend finding larger tires that fit on stock size rims for Overlanding if your ok with it. I’m trying to reduce extra stress on suspension parts. No crazy offset wheels or spacers.
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Lol. Tires are the most simple decision. Narrow tires are the best so you can really hit stuff directly against the rocks and trees so direct damage can happen. The lesser traction is just the topping on the dummy cake.
Yes but most quality tires like Mickey Thompson BAJA BOSS or even KO2s taper right at the tread which has nothing to do with being wide , they are like this because its better to be wider from the bottom in mud and other nasty stuff , my tires are 35s , 12.8 inches at the width and taper to 10 inches at the tread . If yout running those tires you have they get real loud as they age and wear fast because of the compounds , if your a avid offroader going all the time those are gpod but if you only go here and there a A/T is better .
Thanks for the info. I don’t drive much other than my Overlanding trips. 5 day trips are about 1000 road miles and 100 to 300 off road miles. M/Ts give me a advantage especially since this Jeep doesn’t have lockers.
@@MuddyRuttzz i see ', dont get me wrong , i love your Jeep and your setup , those are nice tires for real , its such a tough decision to choose a tire because you really never know when the one you chose will come in handy but you chose an awesome mud tire so you will always be prepared , i chose the Mickey Thompson A/T but im not going to lie im not sure if i should have went with a mud ? Oh well if they dont work then its another 3k on something else , ouch . Good luck
The reason why I like to stay with near stock size tires is simply because a) they work for me and b) I am no longer a stallion, I am happy if I can muscle the stock size up/down the spare carrier. 😀
Jeep Gladiators spare tire comes mounted on a steelie. Check to see if you can get those maybe? I watch John Cadogan's TH-cam from Australia. He has nothing good to say about the Jeep Dealer network there. Thanks!
You need to equalize the sound volume over the video, from having to max out all volume settings just to hear what you are saying to scrambling to keep my speakers from blowing out makes this video unwatchable, in my opinion.
I found out people define Pizza Cutters differently. I did it by eye. Jut looking compared to other Jeeps. Just my opinion but a lot of you guys know more about tires than I do. Thanks!
I question your mileage results. Unless you recalibrate your speedometer to your new tire size your mileage will be in error. There are formulas to determine final drive ratio after you change tire height, but you'll have to Google that yourself.
I used a ECRI to re-program the computer for new tire size. On a recent trip that included highway and off-road driving while towing my Xventure XV3 I got about 20mpg.
Word of advice... learn audio. I stopped watching after the second minute. It's LOUD when you're miked. It's extremely soft and inaudible during the voice over. Fix that and you'll get more viewers.
True. Content was pretty good but presentation was horrible. Stiff and scripted, content didn't flow naturally. The hard breaks between sentences were just painful.
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Very tasteful. An appropriate overland build.
A complete Jeep Build video is in the works.
Your Jeep looks great with those wheels and tires
i’m going to run 255/85/17’s by Mickey Thompson, All Terrains. Love the pizza cutter look!
Looking at getting 255 for my 2gen Tacoma. How are you liking them?
Great traction when aired down, great highway manners good mileage
Wise choice on the narrow tires. I did the same on my recent wrangler build. Most of your global overlanders that run Australia and Africa run narrow tires. These guys experience more diverse terrain situations than most of us weekend warriors will ever encounter.
My fuel mileage is still good 23 mpg diesel around town.
that is some good looking tire and rim. I got 235/85-16 on mine It really slice through snow
Thanks, been over a year and I'm still happy with it. I have a article I wrote on MudddyRuttzz.com with more information on the subject. Check it out here:www.muddyruttzz.com/post/pizza-cutters-why-narrow-tires-are-better-for-overlanding
I’ve watched so many videos and this is one is EXACTLY what I’ve been looking for. Thank you!
285/75’s are not even close to being “pizza cutters”. However, they are a great tire size. I’ve run them in different tread patterns and load ratings on many different vehicles over the years. All of my driving is in a place where road, weather and driving conditions change not just seasonally, but also daily. I’ve stuck with them because they out perform narrower and wider tires in most driving conditions. As well, most tire shops have them in stock when I need them. Good choice, but again, not “pizza cutters”.
Visually they are much narrower than what you usually see. Thanks!
I don’t think these are pizza cutters…
Chicago deep dish pizza cutter tires.
@travisolander4749for sure, but most people think of 10.5” and narrower on a 35+ and 9.5” and narrower on 34 and below when they’re talking about pizza cutters. One of my all time favorites was the 34x9.5 super swampers.
@travisolander4749ummmm sure… but it’s generally accepted that a 🍕 cutter is a 255…
Those Toyo's are excellent! I have those same tires on my old Toyota 4×4 Truck.
Stock Rubicon are 285/70/17.
I prefer keeping them this width for all the reasons you said. When replacements are needed I will look at the 285/75/17
In Africa and Australia 225/95 r16s are common on Land cruisers and Land Rovers in the mines. By no means a performance tyre, they are relatively light, cheap and idiot proof.
Maybe it's me but I see videos of those owners using their sand ladders all the time. Sand and silt demand flotation to not get buried.
😂idiot proof! 😂
Nice video. Love the steel wheels.
Looks good, man. I went with M-55s in 255/85r16, and I love them. Cheers. BTW, I use my tires on an 02' Silverado 2500HD, and tow a 10.5K lb. 5th wheel. Today I drove up some narrow, steep, unpaved, and snow-covered roads. Snow was about 10", and didn't have to air down. Thanks for the video.
Awesome! Brake rotors on the Jeep won’t allow 16” wheels. They open a lot more options than the 17”. Thanks!
@@MuddyRuttzz I hear you.
@@MuddyRuttzzskinny tires make offroad sense, but the JK has such wide fenders and skinnies sit inboard of the fender exterior. I run 235/85 16's on my stock steel wheels (2 dr JK). It's a stiff ride, the only consolation is knowing the sidewalls are tuff!
yes they will,,,, Ive got a 2020 JL with 16" rims...I had a set of 16" nitto terra grapplers that I used with procomp rims that Will work on the JL... you just can't put any wheel balancing weights on the back...there's just about a 1/4" clearance on the calipers...@@MuddyRuttzz
Thanks for watching!😀
Very good combination
Thank You for the good Info my friend
No problem 👍
Michelin 8R19.5 load range F, on steel disc wheels.
True "pizza cutters", these are nominal 33.5 inches tall and 8 inches wide. Each tire is rated to carry 3500 pounds. I run these on my 1971 International Harvester 1310. I love ❤ them. These probably wouldn't work well in sand, but my truck is not suited for sand. The best fuel economy i have achieved was 14.4 mpg with 4.875 gearing and no overdrive. With ethanol "enhanced" fuel i achieve slightly less. My truck is 5500 pounds empty.
So zero sidewall flex?
The contact patch is actually the same (objectively measured by many people), but the patch is longer and less wide so it cuts through mud. The tires also deform easier and can wrap around edges.
I learned that riding Mt bikes in the mud. Wide tires flit on top, narrow get more traction by digging down.
@@MuddyRuttzz yup
Looks good
Looks great 👍🏻💯🇦🇺⛽️
love how those wheels look on that thing
Have to admit it looks pretty good to me too. Here is more info on the wheels: th-cam.com/video/lAVv4gg9gLA/w-d-xo.html
I am looking at getting 255/85R16 to fit on stock suspension with a 0mm offset wheel since my 2023 Tacoma has a 25mm factory offset and 265/70R16 tire.
I am also looking for better mpg over flotation as I don’t really off road much and mainly commute. The hardest thing is for me to find a C load range.
I like the Steelies look on an Overland rig. I am looking to get Volk Racing TE37XT’s 16x7.5 if possible (probably have to get 16x8), to get the rolling mass & unsprung weight less than stock.
Looks great, great choice in tires and size, did you add a programmer to adjust the speedometer to the larger tire size , even as little as 3-4 mph off could get you in trouble, also if you calibrate, your shift points will be more accurate, great video, thanks
I used the ECRI programmer. I saw it on #wayalife and I liked it.
I’ve got a Tacoma sport with 17s. I’ve thought about buying some ATs for some light off roading at some point, but with a separate set of rims as my truck is primarily street driven. I like the idea of a narrower tire than many rigs that never get off road are seen running.
try a 255 - 80r17 on a 7-1/2 rim...these are what I run...Tru PC's...
I love pizza cutters. Better in snow and ice too. Typically better on fuel economy too. Not an exact science but I estimate every 1” of extra tire width = -1 mpg on Jeeps. If you go with an AT tread you can probably add another 2mpg over MTs.
what? they are better in ice?
In ice advising to use wider size as possible.
And only they are good in snow when your engine is weak.
Yup in ice and snow you want a heavier psi load on it to grab whatever texture there is to it nature doesn’t make groomed ice rinks
Not so much tire width that affects fuel consumption as it is tire *weight* , then tread pattern (M/T having the greatest rolling resistance). Hanging a 100-lb wheel/tire assembly on something designed to roll +/- 60 lbs is why we see so many steering linkage and hub failures. Be careful with unsprung weight; it's not just a "peformance" detriment as it is asking to beat up your hubs and linkages. Flame away.
@@steamman9193I guess your car performs better than arctic truck?
@@yuzeyang8847 my truck isn’t in the artic but yes on mid Atlantic snow/ice covered roads it would far outperform an artic truck at highway speeds as the artic truck would have enough ground pressure to control the vehicle at speed
I’m doing something similar with my ‘22 WILLYS Sport JEEP EcoDiesel truck. I was considering sticking with the 17” wheel but I knew I would have regretted it when it was all said and done. I’m going up to an 18” wheel and will be purchasing 285/75/18 Toyo Open Country RT/Trail tires. This is as close to a true 35” tall tire that you can get. I believe they are 34.8” inches tall mounted. A 35x12 isn’t 35 inches tall mounted.
Living in Interior Alaska we have snow 7-8 months of the year and you simply get better traction with a narrower width tire. How is the Fox lift kit you put on the Wrangler holding up? I considered this lift early on too but I have settled on the AEV 2.5 RT Sport lift beings AEV utilizes Bilstein shocks which IMHO perform extremely well in extreme cold. Thanks for the video! Cheers from North Pole, Alaska! 🎅🏻🎄🇺🇸
Thanks! I like the Fox on my Wrangler but obviously that AEV can’t be beat. Stock Fox on our Gladiator Rubicon don’t make me feel as good. Maybe a aftermarket Fox shock is better than factory. Check out this other video. I put some Nittos on our Gladiator. They call them 35s but they end up smaller. th-cam.com/video/VgePZT1kjlE/w-d-xo.html
Wise choice🥰🥰
Thank you so much for making this video, its really helped me out and saved me tons of time!!!!
Wow awesome! So glad it helped you out. I really struggled with my tire decisions. Thanks!
I was always under the impression that So called pizza cutters where 80 or 85 profile tires. Any way lots of good info in your video! Stay safe and happy overlanding.
Thanks!
I definitely like the pizza cutters. This size seems perfect. Another video was saying E rated only, I think for more sidewall durability but who knows. I've got a full-size Silverado with the V8, and I plan on adding 500-600lbs in the bed with a camper setup, so I'll have to think hard about the load rating.
Check the sticker on your driver side door. For load rating. Don’t go less. Thanks!
Not just overlanding, offroading period. Tests prove those narrow tires break down faster when deflated to the same PSI as wider tires. They leave a larger contact patch when deflated when measuring total area. They also do a better job of just kind of flowing over the top of an obstacle where wider tires still bump over again at the same PSI.
Add in the increases in mileage, less wear on your vehicles suspension and drivetrain components, add in improved sound and comfort and it's a no brainer. I recently bought a Wrangler with 12.5" wide MT tires and can't wait to repalce them with more narrow tires.
Wow, thanks for sharing you knowledge. I’m not a expert. I do my research, try to weed out the guys just selling, and make the best decision I can. Cheers!
@@MuddyRuttzz It's just info I came accross in my research so can't take the credit. A lot of what formed my opinion, though not all of it, was this video done by Tinkerer's Adventure. Imo the tests he performed were well done and applicable to the real world, and definitely went a long way toward basically switching my thinking 180 degrees on the subject. th-cam.com/video/6wAJAOxh8LE/w-d-xo.html
Great, purposeful looking wheel & tire package.
Any regrets going with an MT for highway noise or longevity?
No regrets. Just talking today with a buddy that went to Joshua Tree with me. Not excessive noise, handles as well as you can expect a lifted Jeep. They are wearing well. I like the Nittos on my wifes Gladiator too.th-cam.com/video/VgePZT1kjlE/w-d-xo.html
You mentioned you wanted to keep the stock tires, but I didn't catch why you switched to the steel rims???
Realized stock tires were not a good look and a bigger tire would provide more clearance. I like the look of the steelies and they can be dollied out if you ding them. Aluminum will crack and break. More info on the wheels here: Why Are Steel Wheels The Best For Off-Road? (Steelies Setup Made Easy)
th-cam.com/video/lAVv4gg9gLA/w-d-xo.html
I agree. I just came here to comment that 285s are not pixxa cutters. Neither are 265s. I just put 235s on my dodge diesel . Wildpeaks. They are more than enough .
I suggest chalk testing with and without load/trailer to get your tire pressure
Good idea. I never got around to doing it because my tires are wearing very well.
You made a good choice of tires, whether it’s on a car or truck most people assume wider is better but generally the benefit of a wider tire are few and far between. If you like the look of a fat tire you are giving up a lot for that look! More unsprung weight causes worse fuel economy,braking distance, acceleration, more suspension and steering wear and more likely to hydroplane. But for many people it’s all about the image and skinny tires don’t portray the image they want to portray. 😊
Physics!
Braking distance and acceleration? What about lateral acceleration. You don't drive sports car I assume?
@@yuzeyang8847 Nope
thanks for the video. Unfortunately, the audio needs work. Parts of it sounded like it was recorded from far away as the volume dropped dramatically,
Thanks. One of my early videos before I got better gear for sons and editing. My videos are a lot better production techniques now. Check out my 15 tips for visiting Molokai Hawaii. Getting tons of positive response. Thanks!
You should get yourself The Mickey Thompson Baja Boss A/T Tires in standard load range. They are awesome!!! The Nitto Ridge Grapplers are really good too.
I'm actually going through a similar issue with a small car, for different reasons. the steal rims have a lot of advantages.
if they get dented you straighten them with a hammer. and they drive really really well. i think i'm going to stick with the stealies.
Awsm!…why not 255 or even less with the same tire height? …what’s the load rating of those bad boys as a C load rating?… keep in mind the load rating is when the tire is at road pressure & it drops, as the psi drops …so it’s better to go with a tire that has a high load rating, so it’s still enough when you air down.
Your right. Next set will be E Rated. Thanks!
These tire companies need to get on TH-cam. You don’t have much to choose from. I’d like to see a 37x10.5r17 or even a 37x9.5r17
You got me thinking. I got this from the Jeep Gladiator Forum. "Nitto has a 37x11.50 tire. Kenda Klever has a 35x10.50. I think there's a Super Swamper tire that's 35x9.50. If you wanted a pizza cutter 33" you can get the 255/80R17. " I myself was torn between tires I got and the Kenda Klevers. I wanted a American made tire or I would have got the Klevers.
Just the look I am going for on my Gladator rims and all . Everytime I tell someone I want a taller thinner tire on it I get a funny look and ask Why?
Cool
Not really pizza cutters, but they look great on that rig. Nice footprint. I like the utility look. And, much more practical for all the reasons you mentioned - especially the one about the daily driver aspect. Me too.
I have a mint 1995 Grand Cherokee. Putting fatties on those looks so ghetto to me. I installed 30x9.50x15's KO2's mounted on early 2000's Ford Ranger steel rims - painted silver - not black. I think the black wheels must be a generational thing and I'm too old to appreciate it😉. 3" lift and it looks like it should have from the factory, instead of a soccer mom SUV. Narrow footprint, excellent roadbility, and enough grab so I can get to my back country camp spots. Still gets the factory 20mpg on the hiway and is very quiet.
Love it!
285s are pizza cutters now? I had 285/75 and then 315/75 on 16s on my truck and one inch larger wheel doesn't a pizza cutter make, IMO. Terminology aside, I think you chose a great tire and wheel setup for your application and it looks great. Next time, try the 255/80r17 on those same wheels. THAT is a pizza cutter, since they are the same diameter but 1.5" narrower and can be mounted to wheels that are 7.5" wide. And they have the same load rating.
Great advice! Appreciate your knowledge. Will copy this size to my notes. Thanks!
Don’t let ‘em fool ya
It’s your Jeep do what you want to it
PS I have always liked tall narrow tires plus in my experience they do work better 👍
Thanks Allan! Appreciate your comments and your watching!
Thanks for the video, gotta work on the volume changes..
Thanks! I have much better recording hardware and editing skills are much better now. Check some of my more recent videos.
Liked your vid however as a professional videographer might I suggest you check your volume levels on your different cuts cause it did change and I had to adjust my iPad volume levels several times while watching.....Aloha from Honolulu
Thanks! Audio has gotten better on later videos. Also I finally got a DJI Wireless Microphone that makes a world of difference.
Wireless is good but signals can be interfered with..I use all pro SONY stuff, a hard wire XLR cable is best especially if you aint moving around much. I always use wired in ear earphones when capturing audio and test check the clips with covered earphones 🎧 before publishing...good in ear earphones can be had at Best Buy..my SONY set was under 30 bucks...
Keep up the good work.
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@@marcweintraub6998 Yup, you're a pro! Thanks for the tips.
😮 terrific looking tire. Must’ve made a huge difference. When are we going mountain biking Dave?
My wife is getting more independent every day. Im going to try to get over to Scott’s Valley and ride with Jim and Roger tomorrow. Probably get out with you guys week from next Thursday at Wilder.
@@MuddyRuttzz what time and where are they meeting?
@@markagnello9508 Used to always be 07:30 at Scott’s Valley Park and ride.
I wanna teach and learn more from you
I wouldn't say a 285 is pizza cutter. 255 would be pizza cutter in my opinion.
For me its a visual guage but you have a good point!
Narrow tires are better at everything except where you need flotation . Like sand and swampy mud . You also can control your vehicle better keeping it on the road and not in the ditch.
Thinking on doing the same size tire
285-75/17
Wondering if it affected fuel consumption thx so much
I'm getting 23 mpg all around driving and 19 to 20 when I town my off-road trailer. Amaziing! Thanks and good luck.
So sorry one more question
Driving on the hwy
Do you see 8th gear
Thx again
@paulheaney643 Yes, I reprogrammed for new tire size.
Thx sooo much
@paulheaney643 Thank-you! Really appreciate you watching and commenting! Sharing really helps!
I have a 2020 Gladiator Overland that has stock 255/70r18’s. I want to go to the 285/75r18 but I love my stock rims. Are there any safety issues with keeping the 7.5 rims and getting the larger tires?
Your best friend making that decision is the tire manufacturer’s specs. If your tire of choice is listed for installation on a Stock Jeep 7.5” rim be sure that’s what the tire is rated for. I think about what we ask tires to do like driving 110 degrees roads, airing down and I want to make sure I’m safe.
What is the advantage of the steel wheel over the stock one? You mention in the beginning you wanted to use the stock wheel but changed, I'm curious why. I'm looking to put 35's on my stock 17's on my Gladiator Rubicon so I'm interested. Wouldn't the steelies be heavier?
Aluminum wheels break, steel wheels bend. If you dent the steel wheel they can be dollied back into shape and hold air. They are also cheap and USA made. Actually I made my mind up when I saw steelies on a new Bronco and thought they looked cool. Check my video where I put 35s on stock Gladiator wheels. Thanks! th-cam.com/video/VgePZT1kjlE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=D76uxpDzZ2d2n5s3
Nice tires. i noticed you have rear mud flaps. Why none on the front where all mud flies up onto the side panels and rear fender? Thanks
Mud flaps in the front is something I thought about. You might see them in a future video. Thanks!
I could only find fronts from Weather Tech for my Rubicon with steel bumpers. 😞
@@ronaldhoppus9015 I like Weather Tech. Their stuff fits great.
Farm tractors use skinny tires. They track in thick mud with ease.
They are very tall and have a huge footprint.
Can you please share a link where I could find the black nuts you used for the steel wheel? Thanks in advance
Check this little short video. I have all the part #s for steely setup. I think the lug nuts came from Summit Racing (no relationship). Thanks! th-cam.com/video/BhxIx1OzUjQ/w-d-xo.html
Just check the load inflation tables. It should go down a few PSI. Most LT titrs bottom out at about 35 though as the minimum whereas passenger tires will go all the way down to 26.
It can be lower than 35 for LT tires but it usually requires a pretty large tire. Yours might be large enough to go below 35.
In general , it takes 5-10 more PSI in an LT tire to hold the same weight.
The difference is , LT tires START at 35 PSI... Passenger tires end at 35 PSI typically for the load carrying capacity regardless if the max pressure they can take is higher.
Wonder if these Steelies and tire combo will work on a GX 460 with 2 inch lift?
I really like those wheels…. How much are they?
I paid about $120 each.
Great video. I think “pizza cutters” have a place. My personal experience is a 295/75R17 would have been a better choice. Reason is it’s slightly taller then those and obviously the advantages are clearances and the fact that on the highway the diesel will actually do better on fuel because you’re grearing it down. Ie the stock 3.73 goes to a 3.55. The diesel makes up for that and prefers the lower gear ratio. Next would be overlanding I wouldn’t necessarily agree a 6ply sidewall is a great setup. And e rated tire you drop 7 psi and it will ride the same as a c on road. Next would be off road. I agree in ways you do need to run lower pressures but you really only need to drop to 15psi vs 18. Personally I’ve never popped or burped a tire at those pressures. But towing off road it’s no just the weight advantage it’s when you side load a tire that light it has a higher chance of popping off. Next would be impacting the tire the e is just a stronger tire. Last but not least “I love the steel wheels” but to be fair their not really stronger off road in the real world “unless your talking about driving out on a flat tire”. Their been a ton of people “and myself included” that used to believe that adage. But after 21 years off road I’ve gotten “more damage” with a steel rim vs a aluminum rim. Yes if you bend a steel rim it could be fixed. But it almost never happens. Great video and very helpful to some in ways.
Wow! Awesome information, thanks for your insights!😃😃
Curious…how did you attach your front plate to the bumper? Yours appears similar to mine with the Mopar steel bumper and winch.
That license plate mount bracket was included with the Warn Winch I bought.
Surprised to see a 285 measuring at 9.5 inches. 285mm should be closer to 11 inches
Inflated width is 11.3. That's the overall width. The tread width is narrower.
Yup depends where you measure them from.
Hey, do you have a part number for the wheels? I found Mopar Wheel 17" Steel Winter & Off Road 52124455AB, but the offset is 47.3 mm. I've got a 2018 Rubicon and it came with mud tires. I want less noise and a better ride.
This is a short video with all the part #s. Thanks! th-cam.com/video/BhxIx1OzUjQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=14FrRfGwmg-XbLih
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I want to do this with my Tacoma
Which size would u recommend for a Tacoma with 2-3 inch lift?
Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it❤️
I would recommend finding larger tires that fit on stock size rims for Overlanding if your ok with it. I’m trying to reduce extra stress on suspension parts. No crazy offset wheels or spacers.
@@MuddyRuttzz I like the trd pro wheels. 16 inch. Can I run tall and narrow tires on those?
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I decided on steelies when a saw a new Bronco driving on the highway.
One drawback to the steel wheels is the qualityand consistentcy of the welds. Balance issues can happen.
I thought buying the Mopar I could avoid low quality.
kneeling, that sure way how you adore your vehicle
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I have a stock willys, 255/75r17 factory, wanted to upgrade to 265/75r17 but those are made only for r16 not r17!!! what the hell?
I went with pizza cutters on steelies. It's a better drive
I did not know my 275/70R18 are pizza cutters xD
Depends on your definition. If they don’t stick out past the guards and fit on stock wheels I call the Pizza Cutters. Thats just me.
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Lol. Tires are the most simple decision. Narrow tires are the best so you can really hit stuff directly against the rocks and trees so direct damage can happen. The lesser traction is just the topping on the dummy cake.
285 you call them skinny??
Ah. ‘Merica.
Most Jeeps I see have tires way outside the fender guards. Mine are considered skinny here. 🤔
Who knew I had pizza cutters. 😅
I look at my tires and think Pizza Cutters. Others have a definite definition for them and maybe they are correct.
Those aren't pizza cutters but they look great !
You’re right, learned that. Thanks for watching!
Yes but most quality tires like Mickey Thompson BAJA BOSS or even KO2s taper right at the tread which has nothing to do with being wide , they are like this because its better to be wider from the bottom in mud and other nasty stuff , my tires are 35s , 12.8 inches at the width and taper to 10 inches at the tread .
If yout running those tires you have they get real loud as they age and wear fast because of the compounds , if your a avid offroader going all the time those are gpod but if you only go here and there a A/T is better .
Thanks for the info. I don’t drive much other than my Overlanding trips. 5 day trips are about 1000 road miles and 100 to 300 off road miles. M/Ts give me a advantage especially since this Jeep doesn’t have lockers.
@@MuddyRuttzz i see ', dont get me wrong , i love your Jeep and your setup , those are nice tires for real , its such a tough decision to choose a tire because you really never know when the one you chose will come in handy but you chose an awesome mud tire so you will always be prepared , i chose the Mickey Thompson A/T but im not going to lie im not sure if i should have went with a mud ? Oh well if they dont work then its another 3k on something else , ouch .
Good luck
@@kennymiller8217 Roll of the dice!
The reason why I like to stay with near stock size tires is simply because
a) they work for me
and
b) I am no longer a stallion, I am happy if I can muscle the stock size up/down the spare carrier. 😀
Good reasons!
They should be 11.2 in wide…?
Guess it depends on where you put the tape measure.
That's overall width as their specs state.
400+ a piece way to pricey for me.
I’m hoping they last.
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The one dealer in Australia I asked if they could get steel Mopar rims told me no. What a joke living in Australia is.
Jeep Gladiators spare tire comes mounted on a steelie. Check to see if you can get those maybe? I watch John Cadogan's TH-cam from Australia. He has nothing good to say about the Jeep Dealer network there. Thanks!
Not pizza cutters. 255/80 17 would be a similar height pizza cutter.
Most people wouldn't classify 285's anywhere near "pizza cutters"
who doesn't like pizza?
Good point! 😂
You need to equalize the sound volume over the video, from having to max out all volume settings just to hear what you are saying to scrambling to keep my speakers from blowing out makes this video unwatchable, in my opinion.
285... is that really a pizza cutter?
I found out people define Pizza Cutters differently. I did it by eye. Jut looking compared to other Jeeps. Just my opinion but a lot of you guys know more about tires than I do. Thanks!
285/75 Pizza Cutters ? 🤣
those tires are wide...
They are indeed! I've been running this setup for 2 years and no issues.
That's a size only for mpg and other economy.
They are very bad in hard situations
Yup, I’m rolling the dice!
I have an longer experince for both of them
A 285 is not really a pizza cutter at all, a 265 could barely qualify. 235, 245, 255/85R16 9.5, 7.50R16 etc... These all are true pizza cutters
Yup!
I question your mileage results. Unless you recalibrate your speedometer to your new tire size your mileage will be in error. There are formulas to determine final drive ratio after you change tire height, but you'll have to Google that yourself.
I used a ECRI to re-program the computer for new tire size. On a recent trip that included highway and off-road driving while towing my Xventure XV3 I got about 20mpg.
Word of advice... learn audio. I stopped watching after the second minute. It's LOUD when you're miked. It's extremely soft and inaudible during the voice over. Fix that and you'll get more viewers.
True. Content was pretty good but presentation was horrible. Stiff and scripted, content didn't flow naturally. The hard breaks between sentences were just painful.
In my videos you get me warts and all. Thanks for watching!
Fine to me and I wear hearing aids.