Thanks guys, you just confirmed my intuition in changing from the M6 to the P790. I'm an 8.2 handicap and I hadn't had a new set of clubs in 17 years, so I finally decided to go and grab a new set a few months ago. The fitter put me in a set of the M6's with a graphite shaft (which I was wary of but trusted anyway.) Despite the forgiveness and distance, I just didn't feel the control (I.e. stopping power/spin) on the course, even coming from my old steel shaft Ping G2's. I went to a new fitter today and tried out the P790's. Even as a 5'3" female having to choke down on the demo shafts, I was hitting 10 yards further with these, and with more precision with the C-tapered shaft than I was with the M6 Atmos super lightweight graphite! Maybe the first fitter assumed since I was female and just getting back to playing on a regular basis, I was given the generic "go to" with the M6 graphites, but really, the P790 fits my game a lot better. Thanks for the review. Can't wait for my new set of irons to come in, and thanks to the fitter who really spent time to determine what specs fit my swing speed, feel, lie angle, shaft weight/flex (R) and length. I think I'll be much happier with them. The M6s I have would fit perfectly for a small LH person who wants maximum forgiveness and a super light shaft (ie. high school or older, experienced female player).
I just got the m5 irons and love them! The performance is identical to the p790 in this test also and they are like $400 cheaper. I understand the p790 has a forged face and feel a bit better... but the m5's aren't getting the love they deserve I feel out there in the golf world :-)
Awesome video, super helpful. Regarding handicaps, I am a 7 and have been using game improvement irons for the past 2 decades. Golf is hard enough as it is, I take every advantage I can get!
Great review as always very comprehensive and well explained. Recently had a Taylormade fitting excellent I’m a senior 21.8 handicapper and tried the P790 and hit some good shots but my bad shots lost 25 yards. Leave your ego at the door and trust the fitter in the end the Sim Max 2 was for me giving me solid shots yielding 17 yards longer but better dispersion. Happily for my ego I didn’t need the O/S model!
Think the handicap rating is a helpful indicator but for people out there looking at getting these second hand just consider what your strengths and weaknesses are. I'm a 13 handicapper and Have got myself the p760's and they work for me as I tend to strike my irons quite well for my handicap (short game could do with some work) also I've moved from ping g15 to p760 which is a huge change but they work fine for me. So definitely try irons out of your handicap range just in case they work for you.
Great video! I play off a 7 and I play the p760 I actually have 2 sets and won't be changing anytime soon. The feel, thin top line, and looks are second to none. Also, the spin is perfect not too high not too low and the ability to shape shots with the p760 playing tp5x and distance control is astonishing. Also, forged clubs are the only way to go in my opion the feel is so much better than non forged and helps you really know where you're striking the ball and provides great feedback for those who are not used to forged clubs
Just an FYI, when you're giving the handicap recommendations, and you want to express a handicap x and above, it should be notated as ≥x, not x> as that's the same as saying less than x. For example, for the M5s, what you have notated suggests that it's for below a 5 handicap, even if that's not what you meant.
Great video I play the p790 on a 9 handicap love the feel and look and not a long iron hitter but feel like I have so much more control than anything I have used previous
I tested both the M CGB and the M6 and the launch you get off both clubs is ridiculous! I play off 20 and went for the M CGB just because on poor shots i found it would still get up and go whereas the M6 was slightly worse.
After much testing of different brands and clubs and moving from the srixons, I ended up with the p760 in graphite. Even though my handicap is 12 the feel and consistency and less offset (which I much prefer as I rarely ever slice) of the p760s even with of course some slight loss of distance made it a no brained. First time I love the irons and have confidence with them. Tried everything from mizuno to ping to callaway to xxio and more...never expected to end up with tm. And found the p790 too hot and less predictable/consistent (dispersion).
might test in a slightly different way: you need to hit the ball to a target at 165 yards.. then you would need a 6 iron with the P730 and an 8 iron with the P790... wonder how hight, descentangle, spin and ease of use would compare.. i can make a gues through this excellent test
Our irons ranked by forgiveness feature might help you Hunter. Link below bit.ly/2PpEm8o And also we've got P790 vs JPX 919 Forged here th-cam.com/video/k1qNdImfoXM/w-d-xo.html If you're looking for the most forgiving forged irons you'd have be looking these types of models PXG Gen 3 XP, Ben Hogan Edge and possibly Callaway Apex 19, Honma T//World 747 P, Srixon ZX5, Wilson D7 Forged and Mizuno JPX 919 Forged. Hope that helps.
Nice review. It’s confusing business buying a new set of clubs these days with retailers always trying to palm off sets from a business perspective. This sort of a review makes matters much simpler for anyone in the market for a new set of clubs. Thanks.
Great review video. I’m currently a 17 handicap but looking at getting that down to 14-15 with some new irons. Currently have Taylormade R9’s hence why I’m after some new clubs haha. Been told to get the P790 but I don’t think I’m quite at that level just yet so I’ll deffo be looking at getting fitted for some M6 or sim max irons now. Cheers guys.
Hi, very good review. I am a beginner, start practising golf less than a year and want to buy new iron set, would you suggest me which one is fitted for the beginner like me: Taylormade M6, Honma TW747P or Tietlist AP3 718.? Cheers
Thanks for the question Andhi, and welcome to the game. Of the models you've selected the TaylorMade M6 would be the most forgiving for a beginner. Just give a little thought to how fast you hope to improve, it will ensure you get longevity out of the set you purchase. Does that help?
Thank you so much for saying Michael. Appreciate handicap guides can be divisive to some, but for those who want help deciding, we believe they can be pretty useful.
Hi I am a 14 handicap. I am fairly good iron stricker but lose shots due to my short game. I went for club fitting and the fitter suggested the P790 with a stiff shaft. My swing speed with a 7 iron is about ~ 80MPH. When I asked about the M5 or M6 he told me these are not suited for my level. I only tested the 7 iron and I was hitting it really good. He seem to suggest that other clubs will have more offset. I have a tendency to hook/draw the ball too much. Do you think it is a good idea for me to go with the P790?
Christian it's really hard to give solid advice knowing so little about your game. Yes M6 has more offset than P790, but M5 in the seven iron is less. Extra offset will do little to help a draw/hook as the CG is further back, a deeper CG along with the offset naturally wants to square/close the face at impact.
Yes for sure Mj, each brand will set their models up to who they believe their target audience is. As an example a lot (but not all) slower swing models have a little more loft to help flight shots to maximise carry at slower speeds. It's really important to get fitted for a model that suits your particular sped. Hope that helps.
P730 have replaced my wilson forged blades iv had for 5 years i play off 20 ish and love forged irons #1 for the look and #2 they feel nicer, so sorry guys i cannot agree with your handicap ratings for these irons.
The only problem I see with this video, and every other reviewer I've come across, is that no one is hitting the full range of a specific model. For instance hit 5 shots with the 4-pw all with the M5 let's say. To give people a better understanding of what the club gapping looks like for any specific model. Great vid though. Would love a set of 790s but throwing a mortgage payment at a set of clubs is kinda silly IMO
im begin told that I need a 120g shaft by a fitter but I only swing 85 ish MPH. i'm about a 12 to 15 hcp and am interested in M6, fitter said I don't need "Game improvement" iron. But I rarely hit the sweet spot, so he has me confused. I liked the way the ball jumped off the M6 when I trid them. I never have a problem getting the ball up in the air. My question is, what would a Dynamic Gold S300 120g shaft do to the ball flight height VS the factory shaft?
Thanks for the question Ed. Dynamic Gold vs KBS Max is like comparing chalk and cheese. Dynamic Gold 120 is low launch, low spin, where KBS Max (the stock steel shaft in the M6) is high launch 92/93 grams (DG 120 is 116/118grams). Do you know if you hit down on the ball Ed? Could be your fitter is making recommendations based on your attack angle. Narrower soles tend to suit more downward attack angles. Does that help?
Thanks for saying so John. These videos seem to have had a really good response, they are time consuming to shoot though, what with the testing time factored in. We have asked Titleist but they're adamant they only want a tester to hit the club/clubs he's been fitted for, meaning we could only ever test a single model from Titleist. There's plenty of scope with other brands though, what this space.
If the P760's were cheaper that would be my go to. The 790's are too strong for me and that backspin is concerning. 800 RPM less with 14 yards longer, just concerned about it's stopping power.
I was a 20 handicap back when I switched from GI irons to the 2017 P770s. “Handicap limits” on forged blade/players cavity irons are an overplayed misconception. Game improvement irons should be renamed to game enjoyment irons. Forged players irons will force you to either become a better ball striker. If you actually want to get better at golf, the first step is getting off game improvement irons. If you’re already a low handicap, buy them. If you’re a mid to high handicap and are committed to actually getting better at golf, buy them.
T M thanks for the reply, I fully agree with you. I’m currently moving to the p770s, got my handicap down from 18 to 12 in 6 months using RSI1’s which were very forgiving. I put in enough time to try get better with forged player irons like p770s
Tomas Hehir you won’t regret it. Don’t get me wrong, if you don’t have the time to practice regularly with them it’s not worth it. But if you’re willing to put in the work they’ll be far better for your game in the long run. Like I said though they will force you to become a better ball striker.
Hello, thanks a lot for this test. Stupid question probably, why the best players in the world choose to play with the P730 while in your test the M CGB are better in distance, forgiveness, Backspin, Height, ball speed ? Is it only for the sensation, the feeling ? Regards.
Not a stupid question at all Vincent. The very best players are rarely concerned about distance. Their focus is being able to 'shape' shots into flag positions. And land shots on shelves on the green - with the right amount of side spin to take shots towards the flag which is a trait very low forgiveness irons gives them. They just don't get the same control with irons that are aimed at distance or forgiveness. 'Feel/sound' also plays a role too.
Great review. Made complete sense. So I want to lower my handicap I’ve a fast swing speed and I’m improving every week. Do I wanna go buy the irons great for the 15+ or go straight for say the 790’s to where I would like to be? None ain’t cheap but I’d like to go with a set that would help lower the scores. Get fitted?
Great question. Absolutely get fitted Eric. If you're improving at the rate you say then it could be worth going straight in for the irons where you want to be. Just be prepared, they might hold you back in the short term.
Great reviews. I olat XRs at a 6 index, 54, would love more feel and better sound but dint want to lose much in overall forgiveness, which would be most forgiving in your opinion between Apex, Rouge Pro, M5/M3, i200/210? Thx f AZ!
When will we see a "same loft comparison"? I get the distance, but consistency and control is more important to many. How about an average golfer with same (close to same) lofts comparison?
What sort of results would you like/expect to see Jeff? What would you hope the test proved? That modern cavity backs are able to launch higher, don't drop loads of backspin and peak shots out at the same height as a very similar lofted muscle back?
@@todaysgolfer I'd like to see a comparison on distance, spin, and dispersion. That might mean hitting the P760 6 iron vs the P790 7 iron, but that would be what a person would be doing on the course anyway. And then the same test with a P760 loftwed wedge that was the same as the P790 (or close). Net for me would be is the P790 so long in 7 iron yet conssitent, that I'd not hit it into the green vs a 8-9-PW?
I’m a 2.4 handicap and love the P760. Looking to compare these to the Ping i210 and maybe Titleist CB come springtime with graphite shafts to help my recovery from rotator cuff surgery i had on 18 Dec 2019. How would compare them 3 irons in terms of feel, forgiveness and not so much distance ( I believe the CB are 2 deg weaker loft, 7 iron is 35 deg, 33 deg for both i210 & P760). Thanks ! I’m favoring the i210’s mostly on they look more forgiving, better looking and sole design.
Our test pro swears by his i210's Stephen. Feel of course is subjective, in our book blindfolded lots of golfers would struggle to spot the i210 isn't forged where the two other models you mention are. In terms of numbers our test pro has the Titleist CB and i210 at 165 where the P760s added 3 yards (168 yards). i210 is a great blend of some forgiveness, reasonable distance and very good feel and feedback. Unsurprisingly it's Ping's most played tour iron.
Today's Golfer thanks for your reply ! I have about 3-4 months before I’ll be ready to swing 100% and be able to compare these. It looks like The Ping i210’s are definitely the front runner !! TBH, since I first posted my comment I’ve added Mizuno MP-20 MMC to the mix ! How would you compare them to the i210’s ?
@@stephendibari7704 No problems. If having current models is important to you, it might be worth remembering the i210 are two years old come July/August this year, so the model maybe updated on Ping's usual release schedule. You can't go wrong with MMC, but we'd expect to see people opt for them over i210 because they're forged. Our testing has shown MMC is a bit faster, launches a fraction lower and carries about 5 yards further.
Today's Golfer awesome 👏 great to get your input on the MMC !! As far as having the most newest club, not a major concern. After my physical therapy is done from my shoulder operation sometime in late spring I won’t have any clubs to play with. My Apex pro forged irons are up for sale on eBay, Super super low spinning for all the irons and not a good fit for me. Long story but last February 2019 I was custom fit for them, at club championship NJ and the fitter did not advise me that they were too low spinning!! He was blown away by the 5 iron going 10 yards further than my X Forged ‘18 5 iron and he overlooked the low spin. My Trackman #’s didn’t calculate Ascent angle, but nonetheless he should’ve picked up on it I’ll be going for a custom fit at 2ndswinggolf near Philadelphia later this spring after my shoulder rehab is done and I’ll be comparing the i210, MP-20 MMC, TM P760 (and maybe JPX 919 Forged). Graphite shafts will be a definite choice to lessen the vibration on my shoulders !
I’m a high handicapper and I originally bought the M6. Took them back and swapped them out for the 790. I like the feel of the 790’s and had better control on the simulator compared to the M6. Previous clubs were Calloway forged irons. I definitely like the feel of forged... I’ll never go buy another set that doesn’t have at least a forged face.
Anthony Jones Good question. The answer is yes and no. Stronger lofts do mean more ball speed and distance. But what we're seeing more and more is how brands are getting strong lofted irons to launch, spin, peak out and drop onto the green at similar angles to more traditional lofted models, which is where the gain comes in. Strong lofted irons are absolutely not for everyone, but some of the latest models can bring a different dimension to a golfers game.
With the new Iron designs if manufacturers didn't strengthen the lofts the Irons would fly & peak too High. If you check out the Table that the testers produced the stronger lofted Clubs were actually flying higher and descending at a steep angle than the more traditionally lofted Irons in the Test. If I were to Bag a TM set of Irons it would either be the 760 or 790's, but to be honest I am not a Fan of TM.
Bandit Baker I prefer long irons to hybrids so with these stronger lofted clubs between a 5, 4 and 3 iron they only have like 2 degrees between them so not much of a gap to play with. That’s why I play blades. Haven’t found much difference in forgiveness between them and so called game improvement irons. My bad shots are always going to be bad doesn’t matter how big the club is 😂
Bandit Baker I prefer long irons to hybrids so with these stronger lofted clubs between a 5, 4 and 3 iron they only have like 2 degrees between them so not much of a gap to play with. That’s why I play blades. Haven’t found much difference in forgiveness between them and so called game improvement irons. My bad shots are always going to be bad doesn’t matter how big the club is 😂
@@muffin0079 Yes it's important that golfers use Clubs that suit their game & skills level and that their Bags are set-up so that the distances are correctly Gapped. Personally, I haven't used Blades for over 20 years as I find them too penalising (on distance loss) on mishits, though I still love the look of a well-designed Blade (such as the new Z Blades from Srixon which to my eye look stunning).
Tiger plays a slightly modified 730, longer in the face by a few mms and heavier swing weight. But that's what you get as a tour pro true, custom build. I use 730s myself, presently 19 handicap, 7 before injury and old age took their toll, but I had to have my professional weight the heads to my preferred swing weight, d2, and lie adjusted. These were supposedly custom fit. Taylor made only offer 1 swing weight to joe public. If that doesn't fit you tough.
He plays P.7TW with tungsten weight behind the sweet spot and milling on the sole with the sole width consistent through the set, in addition to the longer face. Doesn't look like a P730 IMO.
Thanks for the comment. The whole idea of strong lofted irons is how they can launch shots higher with a similar amount of spin to weaker lofted models. Start testing the same lofts and we'll be complaining they spin too much and fly too high!!!
Thanks for the comment. The whole idea with strong lofted irons is how they launch and spin shots at a similar rate to weaker lofted models...so you gain in ball speed and carry distance but lose no stopping power. Testing the same lofts against each other would not only be misleading, but golfers would complain about shots flying too high and spinning too much!!!
It's a tough one to answer, when we know nothing about your game. For us, 760 are a great looking iron, but for golfers looking for ball speed and distance the 790 is difficult to beat. It's about what's important for your own game. Does that help?
They present it here as a guide, rather than a hard and fast rule. However, in general, I agree, suggesting a club purely off of handicap is rubbish advice. Handicap is simply a golfer's ability to score relative to par, that's it. There are many variables that go into that, one of which is ball striking ability. Where one could get a sense of ball striking ability from handicap alone, is from the low handicap golfers, who would most likely need to be decent ball strikers in order to have a low handicap.
Hence why we said clearly in the video it's only a guide Lucas. We've had some feedback to say it's helped golfers understand which iron might suit them, which was our goal at the outset. When brands develop irons they have a target golfer in mind, that's what we're trying to help golfers understand here. And it's not easy when there's so many different models in a range.
It’s all marketing. You get better as a golfer, so you need to buy “better players irons”. Just a way to keep you coming back and spending more money as you improve your game. Spend your money on lessons then you can learn to strike the ball with any club you choose. The Feedback received from forged clubs will have you improve your game faster then having a club that masks your faults. You just need to be patient and let the process play out.
I love how all these people just automatically assume everybody has the money to get fitted+pay for the clubs....I honestly think it's BS ... I'm A +2 handicap and I've never tested a single club before I've bought it...i see something I like the looks of and I wait a year then buy it used flatten the lie 2* and there ya go.... So if I go get fitted you're telling me I'll shoot 64 averae lmao
@@galdessa1 good point I guess I should pay 2000$for a full fitting and join the tour the day after lmao.... You can bend and do whatever you want to a club you still have to swing it and deliver it correctly at address
As we say Kevin, the handicap guides are just that... 'guides' you might well find a brilliant ball striking 18 handicapper that can use a set, but it's certainly not the player TaylorMade had in mind when they designed them.
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I use the M6 irons. I absolutely love them!
Thanks guys, you just confirmed my intuition in changing from the M6 to the P790. I'm an 8.2 handicap and I hadn't had a new set of clubs in 17 years, so I finally decided to go and grab a new set a few months ago. The fitter put me in a set of the M6's with a graphite shaft (which I was wary of but trusted anyway.) Despite the forgiveness and distance, I just didn't feel the control (I.e. stopping power/spin) on the course, even coming from my old steel shaft Ping G2's. I went to a new fitter today and tried out the P790's. Even as a 5'3" female having to choke down on the demo shafts, I was hitting 10 yards further with these, and with more precision with the C-tapered shaft than I was with the M6 Atmos super lightweight graphite! Maybe the first fitter assumed since I was female and just getting back to playing on a regular basis, I was given the generic "go to" with the M6 graphites, but really, the P790 fits my game a lot better. Thanks for the review. Can't wait for my new set of irons to come in, and thanks to the fitter who really spent time to determine what specs fit my swing speed, feel, lie angle, shaft weight/flex (R) and length. I think I'll be much happier with them. The M6s I have would fit perfectly for a small LH person who wants maximum forgiveness and a super light shaft (ie. high school or older, experienced female player).
Thanks so much for the feedback Brittany, glad we could help and glad you've got a great set of irons on the way.
You’re changing from a m6 to p790 and haven’t got new clubs in 17 years??
@@bobbobby1032 maybe her M6's were 2nd hand?
@@bobbobby1032 obviously the M6 were the first new clubs after 17 years
UnseenSpirit @you didn’t get the joke
I just got the m5 irons and love them! The performance is identical to the p790 in this test also and they are like $400 cheaper. I understand the p790 has a forged face and feel a bit better... but the m5's aren't getting the love they deserve I feel out there in the golf world :-)
Glad you like your M5s Kyle, thanks for the feedback
The carry distance on the cgb was a lot more than the other clubs. Why wouldn’t you just go with that? Easier to hit and goes further?
Awesome video, super helpful. Regarding handicaps, I am a 7 and have been using game improvement irons for the past 2 decades. Golf is hard enough as it is, I take every advantage I can get!
Thanks so much for saying so.
Great review as always very comprehensive and well explained. Recently had a Taylormade fitting excellent I’m a senior 21.8 handicapper and tried the P790 and hit some good shots but my bad shots lost 25 yards. Leave your ego at the door and trust the fitter in the end the Sim Max 2 was for me giving me solid shots yielding 17 yards longer but better dispersion. Happily for my ego I didn’t need the O/S model!
Lovely input, thanks Steve.
Think the handicap rating is a helpful indicator but for people out there looking at getting these second hand just consider what your strengths and weaknesses are. I'm a 13 handicapper and Have got myself the p760's and they work for me as I tend to strike my irons quite well for my handicap (short game could do with some work) also I've moved from ping g15 to p760 which is a huge change but they work fine for me. So definitely try irons out of your handicap range just in case they work for you.
Thanks for your input Sam.
Great video! I play off a 7 and I play the p760 I actually have 2 sets and won't be changing anytime soon. The feel, thin top line, and looks are second to none. Also, the spin is perfect not too high not too low and the ability to shape shots with the p760 playing tp5x and distance control is astonishing. Also, forged clubs are the only way to go in my opion the feel is so much better than non forged and helps you really know where you're striking the ball and provides great feedback for those who are not used to forged clubs
Thanks for the feedback and input Tazhill, really appreciate it.
Just an FYI, when you're giving the handicap recommendations, and you want to express a handicap x and above, it should be notated as ≥x, not x> as that's the same as saying less than x. For example, for the M5s, what you have notated suggests that it's for below a 5 handicap, even if that's not what you meant.
They confused me with their greater than and less than signs.
Great video I play the p790 on a 9 handicap love the feel and look and not a long iron hitter but feel like I have so much more control than anything I have used previous
Excellent choice Nic, P790 are good for a pretty wide audience of golfers.
Some of the best reviews, made simple. Good job
Thanks for saying so Joseph.
Great breakdown guys. I appreciate the science info. As a mid-handicapper looking for new clubs, this helps a lot, thx.
Pleasure Adrian, thanks for the feedback too.
does it make more sense to compare the different irons with the similar (same) loft than "7" iron?
I tested both the M CGB and the M6 and the launch you get off both clubs is ridiculous! I play off 20 and went for the M CGB just because on poor shots i found it would still get up and go whereas the M6 was slightly worse.
After much testing of different brands and clubs and moving from the srixons, I ended up with the p760 in graphite. Even though my handicap is 12 the feel and consistency and less offset (which I much prefer as I rarely ever slice) of the p760s even with of course some slight loss of distance made it a no brained. First time I love the irons and have confidence with them. Tried everything from mizuno to ping to callaway to xxio and more...never expected to end up with tm. And found the p790 too hot and less predictable/consistent (dispersion).
Thanks for the feedback Aly.
Well done video! Lots of good information without the fluff!!!
Thanks for taking the time to say so, much appreciated.
might test in a slightly different way: you need to hit the ball to a target at 165 yards.. then you would need a 6 iron with the P730 and an 8 iron with the P790... wonder how hight, descentangle, spin and ease of use would compare.. i can make a gues through this excellent test
Thanks for taking the time to say so Harry.
JPX 919 Forged vs P790? The JPX 919 Forged is more forgiving? What would you consider the most forgiving forged iron? Thanks
Our irons ranked by forgiveness feature might help you Hunter. Link below
bit.ly/2PpEm8o
And also we've got P790 vs JPX 919 Forged here
th-cam.com/video/k1qNdImfoXM/w-d-xo.html
If you're looking for the most forgiving forged irons you'd have be looking these types of models PXG Gen 3 XP, Ben Hogan Edge and possibly Callaway Apex 19, Honma T//World 747 P, Srixon ZX5, Wilson D7 Forged and Mizuno JPX 919 Forged.
Hope that helps.
Nice review. It’s confusing business buying a new set of clubs these days with retailers always trying to palm off sets from a business perspective. This sort of a review makes matters much simpler for anyone in the market for a new set of clubs. Thanks.
Thanks so much for taking the time to say so.
Great review video. I’m currently a 17 handicap but looking at getting that down to 14-15 with some new irons. Currently have Taylormade R9’s hence why I’m after some new clubs haha. Been told to get the P790 but I don’t think I’m quite at that level just yet so I’ll deffo be looking at getting fitted for some M6 or sim max irons now. Cheers guys.
Good information and review, I'm ordering my fitted set of P790's tomorrow and you basically confirmed what I needed to know. Great job!
Glad we could help. Thanks.
Hi, very good review. I am a beginner, start practising golf less than a year and want to buy new iron set, would you suggest me which one is fitted for the beginner like me: Taylormade M6, Honma TW747P or Tietlist AP3 718.? Cheers
Thanks for the question Andhi, and welcome to the game. Of the models you've selected the TaylorMade M6 would be the most forgiving for a beginner.
Just give a little thought to how fast you hope to improve, it will ensure you get longevity out of the set you purchase.
Does that help?
Great review. Love the honest hcap guideline at the end, exactly what consumers need to know.
Thank you so much for saying Michael.
Appreciate handicap guides can be divisive to some, but for those who want help deciding, we believe they can be pretty useful.
Hi I am a 14 handicap. I am fairly good iron stricker but lose shots due to my short game. I went for club fitting and the fitter suggested the P790 with a stiff shaft. My swing speed with a 7 iron is about ~ 80MPH. When I asked about the M5 or M6 he told me these are not suited for my level. I only tested the 7 iron and I was hitting it really good. He seem to suggest that other clubs will have more offset. I have a tendency to hook/draw the ball too much. Do you think it is a good idea for me to go with the P790?
Christian it's really hard to give solid advice knowing so little about your game. Yes M6 has more offset than P790, but M5 in the seven iron is less. Extra offset will do little to help a draw/hook as the CG is further back, a deeper CG along with the offset naturally wants to square/close the face at impact.
Great job. Good analysis, I found it quite useful for my next purchase. Thank you so much!!!
Thanks so much for taking the time to say so Santiago. Much appreciated.
On game improvement irons does a slow swing speed affect how the clubs perform between brands
Yes for sure Mj, each brand will set their models up to who they believe their target audience is.
As an example a lot (but not all) slower swing models have a little more loft to help flight shots to maximise carry at slower speeds. It's really important to get fitted for a model that suits your particular sped.
Hope that helps.
Thank you for the review! I just start playing and good thing saw this video!!
Pleasure, thank you for the feedback.
P730 have replaced my wilson forged blades iv had for 5 years i play off 20 ish and love forged irons #1 for the look and #2 they feel nicer, so sorry guys i cannot agree with your handicap ratings for these irons.
Each to their own. The customer is always right.
The only problem I see with this video, and every other reviewer I've come across, is that no one is hitting the full range of a specific model. For instance hit 5 shots with the 4-pw all with the M5 let's say. To give people a better understanding of what the club gapping looks like for any specific model. Great vid though. Would love a set of 790s but throwing a mortgage payment at a set of clubs is kinda silly IMO
Thanks for the comment and feedback Harry.
Great review the handicap is right on
Gene Seale Thanks for taking the time to say so.
I would hope not since i just bought a new set of p790's 😅
Very good video. I like how you broke it down with the chart to see which might be for you. Thank you
Thanks so much for taking the time to say so Michael.
Great video, really helped with making my decision of buying my new irons. I bought the M6 irons. Thank you
Pleased we could help Alfred, thanks for the feedback. Enjoy the new irons.
LOVE...the wall of wisdom! Great reviews!
Thanks for the feedback Dave, very much appreciated.
im begin told that I need a 120g shaft by a fitter but I only swing 85 ish MPH. i'm about a 12 to 15 hcp and am interested in M6, fitter said I don't need "Game improvement" iron. But I rarely hit the sweet spot, so he has me confused. I liked the way the ball jumped off the M6 when I trid them. I never have a problem getting the ball up in the air. My question is, what would a Dynamic Gold S300 120g shaft do to the ball flight height VS the factory shaft?
Thanks for the question Ed.
Dynamic Gold vs KBS Max is like comparing chalk and cheese. Dynamic Gold 120 is low launch, low spin, where KBS Max (the stock steel shaft in the M6) is high launch 92/93 grams (DG 120 is 116/118grams).
Do you know if you hit down on the ball Ed? Could be your fitter is making recommendations based on your attack angle. Narrower soles tend to suit more downward attack angles.
Does that help?
@@todaysgolfer thanks for the great info. I do strike down on it more than sweeping at it.
@@edgiroux2037 Pleasure. To help you understand it might be worth while asking your fitter why he's suggesting not needing a game improver iron.
I don´t think you are using the "< >" symbols correctly on the handicap guide... Still, great review!
Thanks for the feedback Roberto.
Great review. I’d love to see you do other manufacturers like Srixon and Titleist.
Thanks for saying so John. These videos seem to have had a really good response, they are time consuming to shoot though, what with the testing time factored in.
We have asked Titleist but they're adamant they only want a tester to hit the club/clubs he's been fitted for, meaning we could only ever test a single model from Titleist.
There's plenty of scope with other brands though, what this space.
If the P760's were cheaper that would be my go to. The 790's are too strong for me and that backspin is concerning. 800 RPM less with 14 yards longer, just concerned about it's stopping power.
Fast faced irons aren't for everyone for sure, they do though have a decent following. For us it's all about giving golfers the choice.
Where would you rank the p770 in this (2017). In terms of min handicap that should use them
I was a 20 handicap back when I switched from GI irons to the 2017 P770s. “Handicap limits” on forged blade/players cavity irons are an overplayed misconception. Game improvement irons should be renamed to game enjoyment irons. Forged players irons will force you to either become a better ball striker. If you actually want to get better at golf, the first step is getting off game improvement irons. If you’re already a low handicap, buy them. If you’re a mid to high handicap and are committed to actually getting better at golf, buy them.
T M thanks for the reply, I fully agree with you. I’m currently moving to the p770s, got my handicap down from 18 to 12 in 6 months using RSI1’s which were very forgiving. I put in enough time to try get better with forged player irons like p770s
Tomas Hehir you won’t regret it. Don’t get me wrong, if you don’t have the time to practice regularly with them it’s not worth it. But if you’re willing to put in the work they’ll be far better for your game in the long run. Like I said though they will force you to become a better ball striker.
T M fully agree
Hello, thanks a lot for this test. Stupid question probably, why the best players in the world choose to play with the P730 while in your test the M CGB are better in distance, forgiveness, Backspin, Height, ball speed ?
Is it only for the sensation, the feeling ?
Regards.
Not a stupid question at all Vincent.
The very best players are rarely concerned about distance. Their focus is being able to 'shape' shots into flag positions. And land shots on shelves on the green - with the right amount of side spin to take shots towards the flag which is a trait very low forgiveness irons gives them.
They just don't get the same control with irons that are aimed at distance or forgiveness.
'Feel/sound' also plays a role too.
Understood. thanks a lot.
Where would you place the sim irons on the list?
Thank you
Hi Adrian, this video is last years models.
You can see how the SIM Max and SIM Max OS compare to this years models on our website here
bit.ly/3buzyJ2
Great review. Made complete sense. So I want to lower my handicap I’ve a fast swing speed and I’m improving every week. Do I wanna go buy the irons great for the 15+ or go straight for say the 790’s to where I would like to be? None ain’t cheap but I’d like to go with a set that would help lower the scores. Get fitted?
Great question. Absolutely get fitted Eric. If you're improving at the rate you say then it could be worth going straight in for the irons where you want to be. Just be prepared, they might hold you back in the short term.
I like the P790 irons.
They are a cracking set of irons Corek.
Great reviews. I olat XRs at a 6 index, 54, would love more feel and better sound but dint want to lose much in overall forgiveness, which would be most forgiving in your opinion between Apex, Rouge Pro, M5/M3, i200/210? Thx f AZ!
Dave Keppler Thank you. We'd have to say Apex Dave, just a fantastic all round iron, they'd be our pick from the models you mention.
When will we see a "same loft comparison"? I get the distance, but consistency and control is more important to many. How about an average golfer with same (close to same) lofts comparison?
What sort of results would you like/expect to see Jeff? What would you hope the test proved? That modern cavity backs are able to launch higher, don't drop loads of backspin and peak shots out at the same height as a very similar lofted muscle back?
@@todaysgolfer I'd like to see a comparison on distance, spin, and dispersion. That might mean hitting the P760 6 iron vs the P790 7 iron, but that would be what a person would be doing on the course anyway. And then the same test with a P760 loftwed wedge that was the same as the P790 (or close). Net for me would be is the P790 so long in 7 iron yet conssitent, that I'd not hit it into the green vs a 8-9-PW?
All these clubs are good. Depends on the person swinging the club.
I’m a 2.4 handicap and love the P760. Looking to compare these to the Ping i210 and maybe Titleist CB come springtime with graphite shafts to help my recovery from rotator cuff surgery i had on 18 Dec 2019.
How would compare them 3 irons in terms of feel, forgiveness and not so much distance ( I believe the CB are 2 deg weaker loft, 7 iron is 35 deg, 33 deg for both i210 & P760). Thanks ! I’m favoring the i210’s mostly on they look more forgiving, better looking and sole design.
Our test pro swears by his i210's Stephen. Feel of course is subjective, in our book blindfolded lots of golfers would struggle to spot the i210 isn't forged where the two other models you mention are.
In terms of numbers our test pro has the Titleist CB and i210 at 165 where the P760s added 3 yards (168 yards).
i210 is a great blend of some forgiveness, reasonable distance and very good feel and feedback. Unsurprisingly it's Ping's most played tour iron.
Today's Golfer thanks for your reply !
I have about 3-4 months before I’ll be ready to swing 100% and be able to compare these. It looks like The Ping i210’s are definitely the front runner !! TBH, since I first posted my comment I’ve added Mizuno MP-20 MMC to the mix ! How would you compare them to the i210’s ?
@@stephendibari7704 No problems. If having current models is important to you, it might be worth remembering the i210 are two years old come July/August this year, so the model maybe updated on Ping's usual release schedule.
You can't go wrong with MMC, but we'd expect to see people opt for them over i210 because they're forged. Our testing has shown MMC is a bit faster, launches a fraction lower and carries about 5 yards further.
Today's Golfer awesome 👏 great to get your input on the MMC !! As far as having the most newest club, not a major concern. After my physical therapy is done from my shoulder operation sometime in late spring I won’t have any clubs to play with.
My Apex pro forged irons are up for sale on eBay, Super super low spinning for all the irons and not a good fit for me. Long story but last February 2019 I was custom fit for them, at club championship NJ and the fitter did not advise me that they were too low spinning!! He was blown away by the 5 iron going 10 yards further than my X Forged ‘18 5 iron and he overlooked the low spin. My Trackman #’s didn’t calculate Ascent angle, but nonetheless he should’ve picked up on it
I’ll be going for a custom fit at 2ndswinggolf near Philadelphia later this spring after my shoulder rehab is done and I’ll be comparing the i210, MP-20 MMC, TM P760 (and maybe JPX 919 Forged). Graphite shafts will be a definite choice to lessen the vibration on my shoulders !
@@stephendibari7704 Great, let us know you get on.
Nice format, provides good comparison data...
Thanks for taking the time to say so Bill, much appreciated.
excellent video- no p 730 for this old man--i'll just use my hogans from the 1980's if i feel like beating my head against the wall...
Thanks for the feedback Greg.
Thank You...
I need to Hit the M6🏌️♂️⛳
Tasmlm Bell i bought the m6 and love em! feel and the sound are really smooth
Fantastic information
Thanks so much for taking the time to say so, really appreciate you feeding back.
Great Video guy's, very informative
Thanks for taking the time to say so David, very much appreciated.
Very dope review!
I’m a high handicapper and I originally bought the M6. Took them back and swapped them out for the 790. I like the feel of the 790’s and had better control on the simulator compared to the M6. Previous clubs were Calloway forged irons. I definitely like the feel of forged... I’ll never go buy another set that doesn’t have at least a forged face.
Thanks for the input James.
Get some ping s55s
Had them for years can't beat them!
11.2 and play the P760s with a P790 3 iron instead of a 3rd fairway wood. 770s are forgiving enough.
Thanks for your input.
What a fantastic swing.
How about that speed chrome technology tho
You didn't mention ladies irons by Taylor made
Thanks for the comment Miriam, unfortunately with a male tester it made this impractical. It is though something we could consider for a future video.
Isn’t the distance just coming from the jacked up lofts though?
Anthony Jones Good question. The answer is yes and no. Stronger lofts do mean more ball speed and distance. But what we're seeing more and more is how brands are getting strong lofted irons to launch, spin, peak out and drop onto the green at similar angles to more traditional lofted models, which is where the gain comes in.
Strong lofted irons are absolutely not for everyone, but some of the latest models can bring a different dimension to a golfers game.
With the new Iron designs if manufacturers didn't strengthen the lofts the Irons would fly & peak too High. If you check out the Table that the testers produced the stronger lofted Clubs were actually flying higher and descending at a steep angle than the more traditionally lofted Irons in the Test. If I were to Bag a TM set of Irons it would either be the 760 or 790's, but to be honest I am not a Fan of TM.
Bandit Baker I prefer long irons to hybrids so with these stronger lofted clubs between a 5, 4 and 3 iron they only have like 2 degrees between them so not much of a gap to play with. That’s why I play blades. Haven’t found much difference in forgiveness between them and so called game improvement irons. My bad shots are always going to be bad doesn’t matter how big the club is 😂
Bandit Baker I prefer long irons to hybrids so with these stronger lofted clubs between a 5, 4 and 3 iron they only have like 2 degrees between them so not much of a gap to play with. That’s why I play blades. Haven’t found much difference in forgiveness between them and so called game improvement irons. My bad shots are always going to be bad doesn’t matter how big the club is 😂
@@muffin0079 Yes it's important that golfers use Clubs that suit their game & skills level and that their Bags are set-up so that the distances are correctly Gapped. Personally, I haven't used Blades for over 20 years as I find them too penalising (on distance loss) on mishits, though I still love the look of a well-designed Blade (such as the new Z Blades from Srixon which to my eye look stunning).
These guys are amazing
Thanks for the feedback Buster, very much appreciated.
Well done
Thanks Tony, much appreciated.
nice vid! subbed
Thank you.
Tiger doesn't play the p730..
Tiger plays a slightly modified 730, longer in the face by a few mms and heavier swing weight. But that's what you get as a tour pro true, custom build. I use 730s myself, presently 19 handicap, 7 before injury and old age took their toll, but I had to have my professional weight the heads to my preferred swing weight, d2, and lie adjusted. These were supposedly custom fit. Taylor made only offer 1 swing weight to joe public. If that doesn't fit you tough.
He plays P.7TW with tungsten weight behind the sweet spot and milling on the sole with the sole width consistent through the set, in addition to the longer face. Doesn't look like a P730 IMO.
The best TaylorMade club is a Mizuno.👊🏻
Compare apples to apples. Hit the clubs with all of the same loft. Just because it has “7” on the bottom of the club means nothing.
Thanks for the comment.
The whole idea of strong lofted irons is how they can launch shots higher with a similar amount of spin to weaker lofted models.
Start testing the same lofts and we'll be complaining they spin too much and fly too high!!!
Thanks for the comment.
The whole idea with strong lofted irons is how they launch and spin shots at a similar rate to weaker lofted models...so you gain in ball speed and carry distance but lose no stopping power.
Testing the same lofts against each other would not only be misleading, but golfers would complain about shots flying too high and spinning too much!!!
awesome !
Thanks for taking the time to say so David, much appreciated.
P-760 or 790
Are you asking which we prefer?
@@todaysgolfer yes
It's a tough one to answer, when we know nothing about your game.
For us, 760 are a great looking iron, but for golfers looking for ball speed and distance the 790 is difficult to beat. It's about what's important for your own game.
Does that help?
I think it's disingenuous to tell people that certain handicaps should play certain irons
They present it here as a guide, rather than a hard and fast rule. However, in general, I agree, suggesting a club purely off of handicap is rubbish advice. Handicap is simply a golfer's ability to score relative to par, that's it. There are many variables that go into that, one of which is ball striking ability. Where one could get a sense of ball striking ability from handicap alone, is from the low handicap golfers, who would most likely need to be decent ball strikers in order to have a low handicap.
Hence why we said clearly in the video it's only a guide Lucas. We've had some feedback to say it's helped golfers understand which iron might suit them, which was our goal at the outset.
When brands develop irons they have a target golfer in mind, that's what we're trying to help golfers understand here. And it's not easy when there's so many different models in a range.
It’s all marketing. You get better as a golfer, so you need to buy “better players irons”. Just a way to keep you coming back and spending more money as you improve your game.
Spend your money on lessons then you can learn to strike the ball with any club you choose.
The Feedback received from forged clubs will have you improve your game faster then having a club that masks your faults. You just need to be patient and let the process play out.
I love how all these people just automatically assume everybody has the money to get fitted+pay for the clubs....I honestly think it's BS ... I'm A +2 handicap and I've never tested a single club before I've bought it...i see something I like the looks of and I wait a year then buy it used flatten the lie 2* and there ya go.... So if I go get fitted you're telling me I'll shoot 64 averae lmao
How do you know the difference if you have never been fitted for a club.
@@galdessa1 good point I guess I should pay 2000$for a full fitting and join the tour the day after lmao.... You can bend and do whatever you want to a club you still have to swing it and deliver it correctly at address
p790 12 or less? lol a 18 handicapper can easily play these
As we say Kevin, the handicap guides are just that... 'guides' you might well find a brilliant ball striking 18 handicapper that can use a set, but it's certainly not the player TaylorMade had in mind when they designed them.
No thank
Where’s the 2019 M2?
There was no 2019 M2. 2019 was M5 and M6. The models included, we're just about to do a 2020 version too.