2018 IRON BATTLE! - Ping i500 vs Taylormade P790 vs Titleist AP3 vs Mizuno JPX 919 FORGED
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- 2018 has been a phenomenal year for golf clubs. Especially power irons, game improvement irons, easy irons to hit, irons for mid handicaps, irons for high handicaps, however you like to name them. Ping, Titleist, Taylormade and Mizuno have all brought fantastic offerings to the table. In this video I put the Ping i500 against the Taylormade P790 against the Mizuno JPX 919 Forged against the Titleist 718 AP3. They all look great and they would all suit high handicap golfers, mid handicap golfers and even some low handicap golfers. But which one is best? Let’s find out. And lets do it now!
I got fitted for i500 and have started to play them . I found I can control the distance very well with this club. It’s nice to know you can make a shot and have the confidence in your irons that it’s gonna get there. Ping i500 is the best out of all these clubs. I love them and I have tried all of them. Good video James!
I've had my P790 irons for 2 years now and LOVE them! My distances are very consistent especially with the scoring clubs.
im picking up a set of original p790s monday and have researched all the videos and google reviews i could while i awaited grips to be installed. the short irons dont have the speed foam. which would feel or perform more consistent in terms of distance. 🤙🏼. you would have had them 3 years now. glad to see so many love the p790s. all three models 2017 2019 2022
Got the i500's shortly after they were introduced. Went to a highly recommended club fitter and hit all the usual suspects. After hitting various clubs and shafts, the i500's were the obvious best choice for me. (I wasn't worried about distance, more so accuracy and feel). Got in about 2 months worth of play before the weather turned (I live in Ohio), and am extremely pleased with the purchase. I opted for the traditional lofts and not the retro or power lofts. Long and very forgiving.
From the Original Nike Forged Blades to the i500! The Nike Blades served me well, but the i500 gives me ACTUAL forgiveness AND length! Go get yourself fitted for the i500’s 💯⛳️💯
AP3s are the weapons of choice for me. I was between the CB and the AP3 and settled for last. I love the look and they play fantastic - with NS Pro Modus3. I hit some incredible shots out of rough or fairway and sometimes can‘t believe how great the flight and result is. I will be sticking with those for a long time. Titleist baby 😁
I traded up my Ping G's for the i500's for one simple reason; accuracy. An added bonus was shot shaping abilities, the i500 allowed me to create shots better. The downside was distance, the G's went further, at least a club further but the dispersion was greater. At least this was my impression between those two clubs. Later this summer I will be fitted for Mizunos and look forward to that comparison. Love the videos!
Thanks to videos like this, I got fitted today for the Mizuno 919 Forged irons (Plano TX) at Watters Creek GC. Over an hour of tinkering around with shafts and heads. I’d say the final 10 shots were amazing. Can’t wait to get them in play.
These I’m going for
Ryan Deery A year later I still consider these the best irons I’ve ever owned. Good luck.
dxdelafu Great to heat that. Cheers 👍🏼
Thanks to Titleist AP3 I have fallen in love with the game of golf again!
I’m in my mid 40’s and I don’t see myself as a better player. I broke 90 last year but will probably not break 80.
My swing speed is moderate and I hit the 7 iron around 130m/140y. I chose True Temper AMT Red Regular shaft because I like it’s lightness and high ball flight. Used to play TaylorMade’s game improvement irons like RSi 1 and Burner 2.0 but I learned to hate the strong lofts, heavy weights and clumpiness of a game improvement iron. With AP3 I can even launch the 4 iron from the turf without any difficulties. With TaylorMade I couldn’t even get decent shots with my 5 iron...
Fan of copying and pasting ?
Yesterday i was fitted for the i500!!! Get them in 3 weeks! Men i love this irons!!!
Went in for a fitting and the P790 was the club where it didn’t matter where you hit it on the face, the end result was closer to target and further then the JPX. I’m sure it’s different from person to person but that’s why I feel a fitting is necessary to make the final call.
I couldn't agree more - bought these and in three months dropped from an 11 to a 8 hdcp.
I've been playing Ping for over 10 years - i10's and i5's. But, last weekend I tested both the AP3 and i500. After an hour of hitting stiff and regular shafts in both, I bought the AP3's. Distance was basically similar - both at least a club better than my i10's. In the end, the AP3 just suited my swing better and gave me the ball flight I was looking for - a little lower. I now just want to get on course and play. Thanks James - great reviews and excellent advice.
The 919 forged feel incredible. Played my first round yesterday with them and they were more consistent for yardage in one round than my P790’s were in 8 months ... that’s why I made the switch
Awesome! Enjoy the clubs!
So I just got a fitting done today and I know there has been a update with some of the clubs shown but was I really impressed with the mizuno! I’m full bag Taylormade besides the putter and am now switching to the mizuno forged irons. This video is still spot on!
How were they? Really keen on these
Thank you for the review. I am looking for new irons and now I think you have helped me to whittle down to the Ping i500 and the Mizuno 919 forged! Thanks again.
Love the hat changes for each club in the video. Entertaining
Thanks mate. Exactly what I was going for
Everyone is a little different. I tried 3 of the 4 of these clubs and went P790 as I found the feel to be outstanding and forgiveness is good, very workable and the distance issue I haven’t ever seen, I feel i can easily control distance - in fact I am “feeling” shots 5-7 yards short or long as needed very consistently. Thanks James!
Up until last year I used the Nike pro combo Irons from 2011,with the solid blades up to 8 iron ,as great as these clubs were I struggled on bad golf days . AP3 are what I have now with the Vokey wedges and I can honestly say these are great and I don't miss the Nike forged set at all now ,another plus point is the wedges stay looking better too .My game with long irons with the AP3 has come on so much better ,with plenty of practice I now hit a decent 4 iron with confidence .Think I would be happy with any of these clubs .Great honest review James .
The problem with comparing 7 irons is that they all have different lofts. So the Taylormade is probably equivalent to the 6 iron on the Mizuno. Clubs should have lofts stamped on them not numbers. Enjoyed the video though. My MP25’s are safe for now though.
Hey Terry, the lofts are still consistent with the set though. Thanks for watching
Terry Wright I’ve often thought the same thing. However, James’s test has me rethinking this. Did you notice his spin rates? They were all right around 5500. I’m not so sure the loft is so all-important when it come to this category.
Lefty SoCal Golfer I take your point but a few years ago I changed a set of Taylormade burners for some Mizuno Mp64s and it was interesting to note that the length of shaft and loft were one club different. If not by those parameters how do you define a 7 iron ? And then how to you compare between brands?
Terry Wright I really don’t know. It’s why I was so excited to see this comparison. I wanted to see how these clubs compared to each other.
Adding clubs like these ended up being really expensive for me...
I’ve spent a lot of time working on my gappings since I bought the AP3s. I found that i had to effectively change every club in my bag except driver, 3 wood and putter to make it work. The only club I didn’t change was my 54 SW but even that I’ve bent 1 degree strong.
For these reasons and more I’d be concerned about getting any set that is even longer than my AP3s are. From this point forward I’ll be more interested in feel and dispersion from this category.
Lefty SoCal Golfer James is right you have to road test them all
I play the i500 in Modus 105x retro loft. They are perfect. They go so high. Spin numbers are spot on and the forgiveness is second to none. I love that it looks like a blade but I know it offers help on miss hits. I played ap2’s all my life and i thought it would be a hard switch for me. It wasn’t. The i500 is just simply top notch.
Sorry hit the wrong button. I just bought the Taylor Made P790 after test driving all the new irons. I hit them the most consistent and gained the perfect distance I was looking for. Keep up the great work.
I was just fitted and loved the p790s. Looking to get them soon. I thought I would never let go of my Titleist CB 716s.
Your channel is getting really good. There’s a reason you’re gaining so many subscribers.
Im glad you put the mizuno irons at the top... over the years they've made some great irons, but I don't think they get the credit they deserve over Taylor Made, Titleist, or Ping! Great video, thanks!
Thank you so much for doing this review! I hoped you would do something like this but never expected you to cover all 4 of the clubs that most interest me.
As an AP3 owner (who loves them) this test just reassured me that I’m not giving anything up from a performance standpoint by sticking with them for now!
I know they aren’t the sweetest feeling of the bunch, nor the longest. But it’s close enough that I don’t feel compelled to make a switch right now.
Also, it looked like the AP3s WERE amongst the best when it came to dispersion!
I hit all these irons with a fitter 3 separate times. I wanted the Pings or JPX but the 790’s were the most consistent each time for distance and lateral misses. If you check your results the 790’s had the smallest lateral deviation and smallest length dispersion. Yes they go farther but are more consistent. I ordered the 790’s but I’ll have to recalibrate my distances. The added forgiveness over my current gamers will be welcome now that I cant get out to practice as much.
Just ordered the 790s today. Gotta just adjust to the additional 25-30 yards i just gained on my old x-18s. Tried like 5 or 6 different irons and the feel and distance i got with these was unmatched. Callaway apex was the only club that came even close.
Need I say anymore?? i500 stock shaft (true temper stiff/dynamic gold 105/US market specs), black dot, power specs! My main concern was to get the high, drop and stop traj! What a set of irons!
I personally hate seeing multi-piece irons labelled as forged. As far as I'm concerned, unless it's a one-piece forging, like the Mizuno, it isn't "Forged" Forged face welded to a cast body, or vice versa? No thanks.
I tried the AP3, P790 and i500 and the i500 did it for me. They are now in the bag 😀
Hey James, love the videos! I have been using the Ping G400 Irons and Driver, and I love the feel and playability. I'm a 25 handicap , and these clubs have brought my handicap down to 15. All my shots go usually straight, and I found myself putting for birdies A LOT more.
Thanks mate! Really appreciate that! Good work!
Thanks for the review James,
it was very helpful to me in trying to make a final decision on buying myself a new set of irons.
Don't know why I didn't like this the first time, but that ping looks beautiful, and I didn't mind your hair.
Great video. For me consistency is key then feel. The Mizuno was the most consistent it seemed. What good is distance if you can’t confidently hit the number you need. The 790 is a full club strong at 30.5 loft for a 7 iron. So you should compare that to your current 6 iron to be fair. The problem with all these hollow irons is the inability to hit your number. I hit my 7 Wilson V6 Forged (35 degrees) 165-170. That being said my numbers on the 790 were 180-210. I cannot sensibly put a club in my bag with a 30 yard dispersion difference same with the i500
Scott Hudson this is why I didn’t but the P790! Front to back dispersion was not what I needed!
Wilson V6 irons are awesome but not a players distance iron, just players iron category. 7 iron loft is 35 degrees or close to it.
We agree again!! haha that's why I returned them for blades - that and a lack of workability plus the need to buy at least one more wedge to fill that gaping hole between my 56deg and the 790 gap wedge lol.
I did not get on with the p790. I couldn't hit that thing soft. I got the i500, I could hit it soft plus the zero offset made the difference. I got my i500s in retro spec.
Pick the iron that feel more comfortable in your hand. It's more about the swing than the club. I'm still sore that Hogan's are no longer made. I've had my RedLines for well over twenty years and they still feel great. I've tried many other clubs but always come back to my Hogan's.
You’re honestly the best reviewer on here, thank you and congratulations on another outstanding video
Thanks Evan! Appreciate that mate
I agree. You are my favorite by a wide margin.
It helps that you are a Titleist fan, though still unbiased. Not everyone on TH-cam gives them a fair shake.
Honestly all these irons are pretty much even performance wise so it really comes down to aesthetics. I went with the AP3's because I prefer the looks but I could easily game others in this video and be happy.
Absolutely does mate!
Would have really liked to have sen the Cobra King TEC in there, but really interesting that the numbers are jumping around on the Taylor Made.
I so enjoyed the video as I'm now looking to replace my irons however they are so expensive, might have to wait until I can find a secondhand set😐
Paul Smith check out ebay. Picked up 2018 P790 for $650.00 USD. They were a showroom floor model so never hit. There’s a lot of P790’s for sale. Less ping, Mizuno, and Titleist. TXG also reviewed Ben Hogan and Haywood irons you can order new direct. They look awesome.
Haven't tried the other ones to compare, but first hit of the p790s and i was sold.. have gone from 6.4 to 3.o in one year with them. Love the feel and distance with them, plus can shape them both ways, high and low.
I tried all of those irons. I went in thinking I was going to buy the mizuno 919 forged. How ever I felt AP3 was softer. Hit everything much the same. But settled for the titleist. I'm a high handicapper so don't know if that makes a difference.
Just ordered the Ping I500 with a stiff 120g shaft and power loft. It was between them and the TM P770's. I got more concintency out from the i500s and the feel was about the same. Can't wait to get them and I feel more secure after seeing this as well:). Great review
Loving these reviews James, breath of fresh air on here. Keep up the good work!
Thanks mate. Really appreciate that
To me feel, consistancy and looks...but at the end of the day gap control is my key to irons that work for me. 800 pros are in the mancave...919 forged are in the bag.
Great review and a really nice person to meet face to face. Lovely to meet you and play at Huddersfield this weekend in the England Champions Club event. Keep up the golf work
Hi James great video...just up graded my irons to p790 all black and they feel amazing can't wait to hit the course with them..cheers Rob
i have a revolutionary idea. if the 7 iron goes too far, then use an 8 iron.
Oh wow! Really?!?! What if it goes to far unexpectedly but the 8-iron does what it should do? Hmmmm
I would give tennis a go😂
Range finder and irons work great together
I prefer the clean lines and classic look of the Pings..... is something nobody ever said before this video.
I would pick the Ping.. No the Titleist.. Wait, maybe the Taylormade? No, the Mizuno, for sure.. Or...
Like Fixby my home course requires precision and shot making. These superfast irons may suit a sloggers course with long par 3s but no use for a knock down seven into a breeze or a gentle fade to a tight pin. The 790 is super long but the short irons can go waaay too far.
Absolutely see your point Jean!!!
I'm thinking about doing a combo set of 919 Forged and Tours, the only problem I see is the tours are 2 degrees weaker. Does adding or taking a degree away from the iron mess with the feel or durability of the iron? I really want to do the combo set but don't want to mess up the irons by adjusting the loft. I was thinking about weaking the Forged by 1 and adding 1 to the tours to get them to blend nicely.
Are the i500s for low handicappers James? Or for all golfing standards?
I seriously thought you were going to dance a jig after that second AP3 shot, lol.
Good video! You just forgot to mold the cap.....MOLD the cap.....heh, although they probably went back on the shelf....or give 'em away! "James Robinson Sweated-in hats, FREE to those follicle-challenged sun-going golfers!! "
😂😂😂😂😂😂 who wouldn’t want one of those ?!?!
Being a lefty, I find it hard to replace my Nike VR Pro Blades. Overall, I would go with the best feel irons like the Mizuno. I’ve own the MP 68 before and from what I’ve researched, mizuno irons feel really soft. But looking at the Taylormade P790, those yardage might get me to switch, but being a lefty...I find it hard to get properly fitted. Not too many left handed clubs around my local area. Great video, would like to see your ball flight, just to get a good idea of the dispersion rate.
Hmmm ..James I like the comparisons however I have the P790's and find them very consistent though you say they aren't as you can get flyer's. yet you had a nearly 16 yard carry difference with your chosen weapon the Pings but that doesn't rate a mention??Still a good review.Regards Brett.
Just ordered mine today. Nothing topped the feel of the 790. Apex was the only club that cane even close for me.
You have me tied in a knot. Thanks. Good job James
I bought a set of used P790s. I'd tried them before and liked them, but if I'd had a choice, I'd have picked the Mizuno MMC irons. They were the best. But way too much $$$ for my wallet. JM2C
Mizuno for me... Tried all but it's the feel for me. Agree on the lofts though - not really comparing like for like with the distances. All about the gaps for me so the Mizuno lofts are a decent compromise at the top and bottom ends.
I have tested all these clubs along with Bridgestone Tour X CB, the Tour X had the best feeling. No one forges like Epon
James, the AP3 sounded great out here on the internet. To tell the truth, with the right shaft, any one of these irons would be great.
James, could you do a video comparing the Mizuno JPX 919 Forged and the Mizuno JPX 919 Hot Metal Pro?
Can you tell me what the loft differences were between the clubs? I think the p790 are 2-3 degrees stronger than Titleist!
hey james I always buy around the chage over time (2yrs) I've played jpx 900 and ping when I first started. the new t200 t100s looks like a nice blend. I hit the i210s today should.i go head to head with the i500?
or should I due a more theroux test to include new mizuno line?
First time watching one of ur videos and i can honestly say im really impressed
I'm not sure I fully understand the concept of using a project x shaft for someone who has a relatively low spin rate anyways can you explain this to me
Hi James,
All lovely clubs but apart from the i500 the rest have such fussy looking heads. ....What is it about the modern golf game that is obsessed with distance. What about learning the yardages of your clubs and working around a course with what you know is the best club in the bag for the shot you are going hit.
Heresy! You are talking about taking the ego out of the game and playing an intelligent game.
Hi. I would love to use forged irons for the look and feel but I think I still need the game improvement benefits of cast clubs. My questions to you are.are there any forged game improvement irons? If not what are the most forgiving forged irons out there? All brands included. I’m thinking the mizuno forged or the p790s? I’d appreciate your thoughts.
FWIW, I have been playing the i500s since they came out. My game has improved --61 YO 5.5 Index. Hit the 7 iron 160-170, depending on the day/conditions, lie, me, etc. Feel is fine. Very rare that I can't dial it in, although I do find that the wedge doesn't fly as far (proportionately) as the others, so I have a gap. Looking at some newbies, but honestly think I've found as much distance as I need.
I have been a ping guy for years wonder if the i500 are worth
hi what shoes are you wearing in this video?
Feel is great but how hard is it to shape the shot and still keep it in the correct part of the fairway where you need to be for the next shot?
Hi James,
I'm a 15 handicapper with relatively low club head speed. JPX 919 forged is my pick, but what shaft would you recommend to go with these gorgeous irons. I like NS Pro 850 regular but not sure whether it a good match. Your advice please. Tks v m
Need to stack the newest version of Srixon Z585 or Z785's. I had the 565 fitted and the only club that you tested that gave similar #'s and feel to me are the Mizuno's. Great video by the way. Look forward to more iron tests as the year continues to bring some exciting offerings.
I500, bought them 4 months ago....game changer.👍
P790S for me ,I love mine.
In my irons, I am absolutely looking for CONSISTENCY above all else!
I had a set fitted about 3 weeks ago amd got like 6 rounds on em and I love em there worth every penny
Great video. Thank you. I am in the market for new irons and this helped a lot narrowing down options. Look and performance are primary objectives as I have sledge hammers for clubs with my M4s. And... IMO, the Mizuno cap looks best ;)
How does the finish seem to be holding up? I see they damage easily... I wonder if they get really bad that there is a way to just rub the finish off and have a nice chrome like look
I went in to try a few irons the other day, including the i500 and the P790. Was hitting the (7iron) i500 about 175, and the p790s 185. They both felt great
Consistent distance is what i value. Want to be confident where approach will land. Think mizuno was most consistent in this test if u throw out longest and shortest distance of each
Of those 4 i'd have to go with the TM P790 for the shot consistency, pure Good Looks & Confidence inspiring.. I'm just not sure they'd be best for a 70 yr. old duffer, all it takes is love of the game !!
That said; I would probably go with Ping G400 , to help my aging game !
So which one will help the mid-higher HCPer and how? You are a low HCPer with a great swing, so the impact feel of perfect swings is less the issue than dispersion and distance on off-centered hits and of course feel ...
Mizuno by far best forgings ever!
Sadly as a left handed player, Mizuno (who I love)
has left me. I think that I have found a home at Titleist. 😉
Why didn’t you review callaway x forged for 2018? I just got a set. They feel good but could use a little more forgiveness.
I got fitted for the i500 today, can't wait to put them in my bag! Long 5-7 days ahead.
ok after watching I remember having a chat with u earlier in the year when I had p790 irons, one goes 160 next time it goes 170 no consistency. Is the added distance from ping over the mizuno coming from loft difference ??
i500 7 iron is 1.5 degree's stronger than the Mizuno. 30.5 compared to 32.
Another great video, James. Really useful, too, as I'm planning to get myself some new irons!
Thanks mate! Enjoy your new irons! What you thinking?
It's got to be the i500s :D
I have the 919 Tour with KBS 90 Tour shafts, and I lost a few meters away, what's the point?
Another great video. Love your work!
Thanks mate!
James im playing Titleist ap2 at the moment ,i seem to keep pushing my shots to the left ,i was just wondering what you think of these clubs
While I'd love to be able to afford a new set of irons, I'm unfortunately stuck with my old Taylor Made TD irons...they're about 20-25 years old, second hand blades, but I must say I love them! Played blades all of my golfing days and I just can't use cavity backs or the hollow irons. They just look too big and clunky!
Went from Mizubo 850s forged to the ap3s. Definite step up. Hate to sell the 850s though.
What did you 5 handicappers go with? The topline is so fat on the 790. Anyone tried the 760 forged yet?
Out of interest James, what would be an average long to short dispersion for you own clubs over10 shots ? The distance control on the hot irons, in my opinion, is awful. How can you play golf not knowing where your ball will land ?
Hi James .great content as usual .I've just ordered and been fitted for the i500 irons and wondered how long yours took to arrive
Ping by far the best......hat on your head the rest were woeful 😊
😂😂😂
Should you not have tested the Tmbs instead of AP3s?
Definitely going to try the i500's when I go and get fitted. Only concern is if the gaps below the 7i would get too big. Currently carry around 170y and any further would make it awkward. The retro lofts seems to make them spin and balloon too much which isn't ideal either. They look exceptional tho...
4 years on and the AP3'S are still a highly sought item .
Another great video,they all look stunning so on looks alone it would be a tough choice,always go and get fitted
Your videos are great, well done. Uncouth, now there's a word !😂
I like to think my old English teaching would be so proud! Haha