@@PsychoDaD__ EV3 will have no chance against a EV6, they don't really compare in terms of roadtrip performance. If you need something cheap just for work commuting, then go for it, otherwise I'd save a bit more for the EV6 (or get a second hand EV6 for the price of a new EV3).
Super nice test Bjorn! Your highly ranking results-list shows the benefit of increased battery size, charging speed and overall car quality. I'm still happy with my Ioniq5 77KWh Long Range RWD.
Kia EV6 is 50mm lower and has a slightly more aerodynamic shape with lower drag area than the Ioniq 5, therefore its consumption is typically a bit lower.
After two years I will change my Enyaq RS fór this beauty. 1-2years old EV6 AWD with still 5years warranty will be great. We are planning long trips in Europe with camping and this car will be great.
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Isn't it a bit small for camping? :) Me, I'd want a buzz for that :)
Yeah, isnt so big. But it will be only for one two night, just weekend. No for longer vacations witzh kids...for that there is cottages, hotels etc with hot water and toliet :-) But for shoert vacations kids in trunk bed, adults on roof tent or in normal ground tent, and benefits of V2L. Long Buzz is great, but no V2L", at not great like daily car. We have place at home juzst for one car (schools and jobs are in town in 10minutes walk...no car needed).
@@Quickyprd Before buying it's good idea to check out the boot space. It's really small for such a chunky car. For long trips I'd ratehr go for the TMY - more efficient, huge boot, SuC.
@@pawekropi5077 Checked, 190cm bed ok, for kids enought and with utilitiy mode...great. I am 194cm and 120 kg, I must sleep on ground, roof or solo camping inside :-) And frunk, V2L. Of course,Its not van or MPV, but for one two nights its fine. After that you will need hot water, shower, poop place etc either
The more boxy, but more practical Ioniq 5 managed the do the same essentially - maybe even better considering the 3'C colder average weather. That's impressive.
@10secondsrule Just bigger interior space. We've a tall teenager and his head would nearly touch the roof in the EV6 in the back. Didn't have such issue in the smaller e-Niro because of its less-sporty roof line. In the Ioniq5 he travels like a king of course.
Can you please share your experiences in Thailand (in general, any EV) with heat over 32 C and direct sunlight? Have you had any issues with overheating, poor range, poor charging, battery degradation, or anything else related to the heat and humidity? Thanks! 🙏
How is it for long trips in Europe compared to Tesla? Tesla does planning for the stops where as with other cars do we have to rely on ABRP for planning and there is no realistic updates on availability of chargers for these 3rd party. I tried once VW ID3 in Norway , had to rely on multiple apps to find out the nearest chargers and availability. Things could have changed now mean while
I regularly drive 1500km+ trips across Europe with a EV9 and I almost exclusively charge on Ionity because they are the cheapest and short distance from highway (especially on autobahn). My Tesla friends also mostly use Ionity nowadays because of the price. You also see Bjorn using Ionity a lot in these videos. The Kia cars support charging availability and planning for the major providers, including Ionity, EnBW, Fastned, Aral Pulse, Total24, Recharge, etc etc.
25c on the battery minimum temp is the magic number for full speed charging. If you precondition long enough to get the batt min to 25c, you'll get max charging speed from plug in until around 54% almost every time. Found this out on my EV6 during a 4,000 mile road trip last summer.
@bjornnyland I guess that I didn't notice that. When i did the roadtrip it was 40-70 F outside when doing preconditioning, there must have been enough residual heat from the preconditioning process that the battery minimum temp was able to reach 25c before we arrived at the stations. Haven't had the chance to road trip it in colder weather to see the behavior. Thanks for the info!
@@tomm5936 I know, that VESS is ok, but the additional "ding ding ding" that the koreans have made in the past is not required and stupidly annoying. I have owned a Kia PHEV, i know what i am talking about. As long, as the Koreans do the ding, i will not buy one. And in august i probably need to replace my bz4X, so a EV6 would be a good candidat
ID.7 Tourer is great, but a fairly long car, almost 5m. Other than that, I am very happy with it. Differences between max spec and standard is considerably big, too... Guess you should try both of them.
Again another great video from your channel. Can i ask a quick question? Its regarding charging AC in winter time. Its unclear to me if eg with 11kw charging or even home outlet with 2,3kw, requires battery pre heating first? I know everybody talks about this for charging DC, but what about AC? Because if the battery is cold, i can imagine that with 11kw or 2.3kw, the battery first needs to warm up to reach eg 25degrees celcius. But if this is correct, then with AC how long will it take to heat the battery until the charge power of 11kw or 2.3kw truly gets into the battery? Hope you understand my question? Unfortunate nobody explains and talks about this for AC charging in winter.....
I have ev6 rwd. No need to warm up for AC charging no matter how cold is outside. Anyway, when AC charging, the charging power of 11kW does not "truly gets" into the battery. The efficiency of AC charging is (by my measurements and calculations) between 84 and 89% due to losses in the onboard charger.
@@grifon6156 EV6 will not heat battery during AC charging. EV6 will not heat battery during DC charging if the DC charger's max output is less than ~20 kW (don't yet know exactly). EV6 will heat up the battery if you turn on the car or start AC charging it and the battery is colder than -10 degrees Celsius. (Data valid for my 2023 pre-facelift)
Jeg læste for nogle dage siden, at i 2026 vil Hyundai Kia bruge Android automotive. Har du hørt om der mon er mulighed for at nye biler forberedes til at kunne opgraderes, måske endda også ældre modeller?
Super fast charging, but some data is starting to emerge that e-GMP cars degrade way faster than the Korean 400V cars. You dont get something for nothing! As you said the cooling is 'not the greatest'.
Still has StartButton that has to be pressed to start? No one pedal driving? No hepa filter ? No OTA updates No autonomous driving capability in sight. Have to show up for service regularly and pay for nothing. Those where the reasons for my decision to get a MY.
these are videos where the info matters not the video resolution. Most people probably watch them on a phone or computer screen. It's not worth to deal with 4k video footage.
in my region, after discount-maxxing on dominos, i can snag a pizza for about 0.35$ including delivery (but MOQ would be 5 of those + 2 ketchup); but those use artificial cheese. The "margarita" with one topping after discount-maxxing is about 1.1$ including delivery (MOQ 2). not bad!
You can piss against the bushes, in the ditch, or against the tree.. you cannot eat ftom these places. So having food is much more important than toilets 😂
Seems this decision is based on political backgrounds and no issue with the product. Unbelievable why the society is not able to talk with each other if your are Not following the main stream (media)
I have a ioniq 5 2022 and a tesla model y rwd lfp 2023. The ioniq is way more comfortable, better built, less rattles inside. The 800v gives a flat curve so you can stop mostly 2 times less. I like both cars but prefer the ioniq
@@visionmodernclassics3062 No, it seems logic to me. I drive a model 3 for 4 years now, never despised a car as much as this model 3. Unreliable (6 interventions), horrible damping and sound proofing, poor support by Tesla (even up to sending me twice with an illegal car on the road), the constant phantom braking and the sketchy software that alters my set speed on adaptive cruise control no matter what set-up...
It’s the speed and heater I think. Our Niro is like that at 27 when heating is not on auto. Like that It never shuts off. When it’s on auto and at only 112 km/h, it goes down to 17 in wintertime.
@paulinquebec I used to drive 1300km across Finland in my Niro and it was usually 18 or 19 kWh. That is in temps down to 0°C. Mostly doing 100-110km/h. I now have a Niro PHEV because the range and charging speed on the Niro EV was frustrating. EV6 would be good, but it needs better range/efficiency.
@@patricelarochelle7295 Dla mnie jest to główny powód, przez który spada sprzedaż EV w Europie. Technologia stanęła, zasięgi nie rosną, a ceny, szczególnie bez dotacji, nie są atrakcyjne. Mam EV do miasta, jest super, ale muszę też mieć auto spalinowe, na dłuższe wyjazdy. To raptem 3000 km rocznie spalinowym, a miejskim EV przejechałem prawie 14 000 km w rok.
@@patricelarochelle7295 Dla mnie, to główny powód, przez który sprzedaż EV w Europie spada. Technologia stanęła, zasięgi EV nie rosną, a cena szczególnie bez dotacji, nie jest atrakcyjna. Do miasta samochody elektryczne są super. Moim przejechaliśmy prawie 14 000km w rok. Ale na wyjazdy urlopowe, szczególnie zimą, jeździmy spalinowym...niestety.
Spalanie w deszczu też wzrasta więc to żaden argument. Przy włączonej klinie w upale też. W Polsce wszystkie auta są drogie a elektryczne to już jakiś kosmos. Ale tak to jest jak każdy Polak ma obsesje by mień na parkingu więcej niż sąsiad.
I have the Kia EV6 and I can confirm it's a great car - although mine is the pre-facelift version (now 2 years old with 52,000 miles on the clock). Check out my channel ( th-cam.com/video/17NHRoddWGk/w-d-xo.html ) for lots of videos featuring it! :)
It is faster, and quite a bit . You should compare this car with the model Y, BMW iX3 and Volkswagen ID.4. It is significantly faster, given the poor weather. The updated Ioniq 6 will be significantly faster than the sedans ....
The current is lower in an 800-volt system. Charging losses are proportional to the charging current. The semiconductors needed for charging can be cheaper when the current is lower. On the downside, not all charging stations support an 800-volt system, and the car needs to have a converter to charge with a 400-volt charger
That is bloody fast, esp in that weather! 🎉
Please do a Kia EV3, I'm very curious about that one
Agreed. We are thinking about getting ev3, but I wonder how it stack up against ev6
@@PsychoDaD__ Surprisingly the storage space in the trunk is very much comparable. EV3 has less leg room but otherwise looks like a great car.
@@PsychoDaD__ EV3 will have no chance against a EV6, they don't really compare in terms of roadtrip performance. If you need something cheap just for work commuting, then go for it, otherwise I'd save a bit more for the EV6 (or get a second hand EV6 for the price of a new EV3).
@@ErikHenriksson_ I'm looking really for just a range and space compare.
@@PsychoDaD__ Why would a 1000km challenge be relevant then? Just the normal 90/120 range and banana box tests would do.
Super nice test Bjorn! Your highly ranking results-list shows the benefit of increased battery size, charging speed and overall car quality. I'm still happy with my Ioniq5 77KWh Long Range RWD.
Kia EV6 is 50mm lower and has a slightly more aerodynamic shape with lower drag area than the Ioniq 5, therefore its consumption is typically a bit lower.
After two years I will change my Enyaq RS fór this beauty. 1-2years old EV6 AWD with still 5years warranty will be great. We are planning long trips in Europe with camping and this car will be great.
Isn't it a bit small for camping? :)
Me, I'd want a buzz for that :)
Yeah, isnt so big. But it will be only for one two night, just weekend. No for longer vacations witzh kids...for that there is cottages, hotels etc with hot water and toliet :-) But for shoert vacations kids in trunk bed, adults on roof tent or in normal ground tent, and benefits of V2L. Long Buzz is great, but no V2L", at not great like daily car. We have place at home juzst for one car (schools and jobs are in town in 10minutes walk...no car needed).
@@Quickyprd Before buying it's good idea to check out the boot space. It's really small for such a chunky car. For long trips I'd ratehr go for the TMY - more efficient, huge boot, SuC.
@@pawekropi5077 Checked, 190cm bed ok, for kids enought and with utilitiy mode...great. I am 194cm and 120 kg, I must sleep on ground, roof or solo camping inside :-) And frunk, V2L. Of course,Its not van or MPV, but for one two nights its fine. After that you will need hot water, shower, poop place etc either
Great to see the kids in the same video. Axel is growing up fast. Merry Christmas to you and yours Bjorn. Thanks for this drop
Really impressive. Thanks Bjorn.
Danke!
Thank you very much :)
Thanks Bjørn. Waiting for my new car to arrive!
I like the refreshed design. Is the navigation software faster?
Nice to see isabel in 1000km challenge video. Cute toddler.
Thx for the test!
Another nice video, thanks. Like the old front bether, strange headlights
for long distances it is the perfect electric car
The more boxy, but more practical Ioniq 5 managed the do the same essentially - maybe even better considering the 3'C colder average weather. That's impressive.
Wet weather will cut the efficiency more than a cold one as stated in this video if you watched it. How is ionic 5 more practical?
@10secondsrule Just bigger interior space. We've a tall teenager and his head would nearly touch the roof in the EV6 in the back. Didn't have such issue in the smaller e-Niro because of its less-sporty roof line. In the Ioniq5 he travels like a king of course.
@@10secondsruleIt got way better head room in the back.
Hi Bjørn!! Could you do ond with the ev3? Thanks in advance!!
Yes please Bjorn, I would appreciate that very much
Can you please share your experiences in Thailand (in general, any EV) with heat over 32 C and direct sunlight? Have you had any issues with overheating, poor range, poor charging, battery degradation, or anything else related to the heat and humidity?
Thanks! 🙏
Also curious
Me too
Hammer it Bjorn
6:48 def they need to improve cooling, especially when they have those charge rates.
Are you testing the polestar 3 soon?
How is it for long trips in Europe compared to Tesla? Tesla does planning for the stops where as with other cars do we have to rely on ABRP for planning and there is no realistic updates on availability of chargers for these 3rd party.
I tried once VW ID3 in Norway , had to rely on multiple apps to find out the nearest chargers and availability. Things could have changed now mean while
I regularly drive 1500km+ trips across Europe with a EV9 and I almost exclusively charge on Ionity because they are the cheapest and short distance from highway (especially on autobahn). My Tesla friends also mostly use Ionity nowadays because of the price. You also see Bjorn using Ionity a lot in these videos.
The Kia cars support charging availability and planning for the major providers, including Ionity, EnBW, Fastned, Aral Pulse, Total24, Recharge, etc etc.
25c on the battery minimum temp is the magic number for full speed charging. If you precondition long enough to get the batt min to 25c, you'll get max charging speed from plug in until around 54% almost every time. Found this out on my EV6 during a 4,000 mile road trip last summer.
Preheating stops at 21°C.
@bjornnyland I guess that I didn't notice that. When i did the roadtrip it was 40-70 F outside when doing preconditioning, there must have been enough residual heat from the preconditioning process that the battery minimum temp was able to reach 25c before we arrived at the stations. Haven't had the chance to road trip it in colder weather to see the behavior. Thanks for the info!
Yes Toilet first and then Food. Agree 100% :)) .. Beautiful children.
Im curious how it would do in spanish weather, when you have 38 during the day.
Maybe some native videos from Korea have already answered this.
Björn can you make g9 range test again we have a g9 and the new Numbers are much better
And the usual question: does it make the "ding ding ding" when reversing? Or did they finally get rid of that
That’s required by EU. All cars have some sound now.
@@tomm5936 I know, that VESS is ok, but the additional "ding ding ding" that the koreans have made in the past is not required and stupidly annoying. I have owned a Kia PHEV, i know what i am talking about. As long, as the Koreans do the ding, i will not buy one. And in august i probably need to replace my bz4X, so a EV6 would be a good candidat
@@TillGroos I drive an EV6 and dislike the dings as well. Do you think other brands have implemented this better
Sweet Björn 👍👍👍
Could you upload your videos at least in 1440p, please? Thank you🙏
Why?
Hi Bjorn, Can you please compare the Kia EV6 awd to XPeng G6? Which one is better in your opinion? and why?
Thank you. A. from NL.
You simply don't consider a Chinese dictator shitheap
I would say kia, simple reason xpeng makes people wait 5-12 months for parts.
No chinese tofu crap cars please.
nice thick rubber on this car
This is without any doubt one of the best long trips EV available on the market right now.
btw a TDI without a T was called SDI 🤭
i am considering the kia ev6 or vw id7 tourer. somebody has some advice/experiences?
ID.7 Tourer is great, but a fairly long car, almost 5m. Other than that, I am very happy with it. Differences between max spec and standard is considerably big, too...
Guess you should try both of them.
Again another great video from your channel. Can i ask a quick question? Its regarding charging AC in winter time. Its unclear to me if eg with 11kw charging or even home outlet with 2,3kw, requires battery pre heating first? I know everybody talks about this for charging DC, but what about AC? Because if the battery is cold, i can imagine that with 11kw or 2.3kw, the battery first needs to warm up to reach eg 25degrees celcius. But if this is correct, then with AC how long will it take to heat the battery until the charge power of 11kw or 2.3kw truly gets into the battery? Hope you understand my question? Unfortunate nobody explains and talks about this for AC charging in winter.....
I have ev6 rwd. No need to warm up for AC charging no matter how cold is outside. Anyway, when AC charging, the charging power of 11kW does not "truly gets" into the battery. The efficiency of AC charging is (by my measurements and calculations) between 84 and 89% due to losses in the onboard charger.
@@grifon6156 EV6 will not heat battery during AC charging. EV6 will not heat battery during DC charging if the DC charger's max output is less than ~20 kW (don't yet know exactly). EV6 will heat up the battery if you turn on the car or start AC charging it and the battery is colder than -10 degrees Celsius. (Data valid for my 2023 pre-facelift)
@@lucistnik You are right. But the question was about the need of preconditioning before starting the AC charging.
The temp delta is very large.
Jeg læste for nogle dage siden, at i 2026 vil Hyundai Kia bruge Android automotive. Har du hørt om der mon er mulighed for at nye biler forberedes til at kunne opgraderes, måske endda også ældre modeller?
1:21.....November 26? 😮 Doc Brown has enter Kia technical. 🎉😂
First question in my head was did they improve the headlight performance.
He made a video on that a few days ago. They did.
Super fast charging, but some data is starting to emerge that e-GMP cars degrade way faster than the Korean 400V cars. You dont get something for nothing! As you said the cooling is 'not the greatest'.
0.28 drag coefficient let's it down
Considering Mercedes e class had 0.26 - in 1990.
Hell ya
Still has StartButton that has to be pressed to start?
No one pedal driving?
No hepa filter ?
No OTA updates
No autonomous driving capability in sight.
Have to show up for service regularly and pay for nothing.
Those where the reasons for my decision to get a MY.
we need some 4k quality videos pls.
why?
@ because it’s 2024
these are videos where the info matters not the video resolution. Most people probably watch them on a phone or computer screen. It's not worth to deal with 4k video footage.
No, we don't. Quality is fine imo.
@@stefan2796 yes we do thank you sir.
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in my region, after discount-maxxing on dominos, i can snag a pizza for about 0.35$ including delivery (but MOQ would be 5 of those + 2 ketchup); but those use artificial cheese. The "margarita" with one topping after discount-maxxing is about 1.1$ including delivery (MOQ 2). not bad!
it's exactly 0.37$ at the current conversion rate ;/
Okay, then I will buy it. But my wife won‘t agree 😢.
Still on the thirsty side though.
You can piss against the bushes, in the ditch, or against the tree.. you cannot eat ftom these places. So having food is much more important than toilets 😂
Considering one of these to replace my wife’s Model Y. I think we’re done with Tesla. The cars whinge as much as Elon.
Seems this decision is based on political backgrounds and no issue with the product.
Unbelievable why the society is not able to talk with each other if your are Not following the main stream (media)
I have a ioniq 5 2022 and a tesla model y rwd lfp 2023. The ioniq is way more comfortable, better built, less rattles inside. The 800v gives a flat curve so you can stop mostly 2 times less. I like both cars but prefer the ioniq
Your Y has lots of faults?
@@visionmodernclassics3062 no, because we cannot tell that Tesla is a not well built car, right?
@@visionmodernclassics3062 No, it seems logic to me. I drive a model 3 for 4 years now, never despised a car as much as this model 3. Unreliable (6 interventions), horrible damping and sound proofing, poor support by Tesla (even up to sending me twice with an illegal car on the road), the constant phantom braking and the sketchy software that alters my set speed on adaptive cruise control no matter what set-up...
27.3kWh/100km is horrendous efficiency. Worse than ID4, Polestar 2 and Enyaq RS. I'm out.
It’s the speed and heater I think. Our Niro is like that at 27 when heating is not on auto. Like that It never shuts off. When it’s on auto and at only 112 km/h, it goes down to 17 in wintertime.
@paulinquebec I used to drive 1300km across Finland in my Niro and it was usually 18 or 19 kWh. That is in temps down to 0°C. Mostly doing 100-110km/h. I now have a Niro PHEV because the range and charging speed on the Niro EV was frustrating. EV6 would be good, but it needs better range/efficiency.
Faster, Better and Uglier!
Kia EV5???
you use random german words...ich mag es. Autobahn
120km/h zużycie około 27 kWh/100km przy temperaturze 6 stC. ...tragedia. 😐
My tesla model y doesn't do much better in bad weather and I would take longer and stop around 8 times. I have a model y rwd lfp and a ioniq 5 2022
@@patricelarochelle7295 Dla mnie jest to główny powód, przez który spada sprzedaż EV w Europie. Technologia stanęła, zasięgi nie rosną, a ceny, szczególnie bez dotacji, nie są atrakcyjne. Mam EV do miasta, jest super, ale muszę też mieć auto spalinowe, na dłuższe wyjazdy. To raptem 3000 km rocznie spalinowym, a miejskim EV przejechałem prawie 14 000 km w rok.
@@patricelarochelle7295 Dla mnie, to główny powód, przez który sprzedaż EV w Europie spada. Technologia stanęła, zasięgi EV nie rosną, a cena szczególnie bez dotacji, nie jest atrakcyjna. Do miasta samochody elektryczne są super. Moim przejechaliśmy prawie 14 000km w rok. Ale na wyjazdy urlopowe, szczególnie zimą, jeździmy spalinowym...niestety.
Spalanie w deszczu też wzrasta więc to żaden argument. Przy włączonej klinie w upale też. W Polsce wszystkie auta są drogie a elektryczne to już jakiś kosmos. Ale tak to jest jak każdy Polak ma obsesje by mień na parkingu więcej niż sąsiad.
@@maciej009 E tam. Mi odpowiada moja EV KIA :)
I have the Kia EV6 and I can confirm it's a great car - although mine is the pre-facelift version (now 2 years old with 52,000 miles on the clock). Check out my channel ( th-cam.com/video/17NHRoddWGk/w-d-xo.html ) for lots of videos featuring it! :)
Uglier
So despite 800V-System still not faster than VW, BMW or Tesla.
this is as always very interesting. If you towing than 800v can be faster... unless the battery is not over temperatured.
It's not 800 V. It clearly shows in the video several times.
It is faster, and quite a bit . You should compare this car with the model Y, BMW iX3 and Volkswagen ID.4. It is significantly faster, given the poor weather. The updated Ioniq 6 will be significantly faster than the sedans ....
The current is lower in an 800-volt system. Charging losses are proportional to the charging current. The semiconductors needed for charging can be cheaper when the current is lower. On the downside, not all charging stations support an 800-volt system, and the car needs to have a converter to charge with a 400-volt charger
7Wh/km in plus compared to model Y. Rain and cold, but still huge.
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