It’s going to be a sad day when this man goes I can tell just from his videos that he’s a good guy and the type that would help you out when your down on your luck
@@back2backjack1no joke I've gone bald in the time watching Hickok and I started when I was 12. Also got diabetes and going blind in my left eye. I'm only 30 😂 life's been rough
I open carry. I live in the middle of nowhere. I seldom see a person so I’m not to worried about becoming a target here on the range. I conceal carry anytime I’m amongst the population.
open carry out in rural areas is defiinitely understandable because the context matches the situation, whereas when you're out in a much more densely populated area walking around with an AR, i could understand the perspective of someone seeing that and being worried from the mass "events" in the past decade and a half on the uprise (you know what im talking about, youtube overzealously shadow deletes comments so i cant say it)
@@3nertia because 1. draw time is not as important in the context of wildlife coming after you, it still matters but not to the extent of a situation where an adversary is armed and 2. when you already have it out (most hunters carry rifles) your draw time is already exponentially faster
@@ChristopherGray00 That makes sense if you carry, say, a shotgun on your property for wildlife - I sure as shit don't want a pistol to deal with an irate bear or moose lol but both of your scenarios seem to really only apply to rifles ...
I do not open carry in public places for a few reasons: 1. As a private citizen, I think it is a tactical advantage if the bad guy doesn't know you are carrying. If you open carry, you may be forced to use your weapon in a situation that is not to your advantage tactically speaking. If I conceal carry, I get to choose if and when to engage. 2. I also realize that everyone is not a gun enthusiast as I am and may be uncomfortable around guns. I try to be respectful of their viewpoints. 3. Quite frankly, there has been a time or two when I witnessed someone open carry and given their demeanor, I was a bit nervous to be around them. In many cases, if I am behind them in a checkout line, the first thought that pops into my head is "Man, it would be so easy to grab that pistol out of their holster." Very few private citizens I have seen that open carry do it properly.
I personally never open carry BUT. I have seen a guy catch a knife under the chin for trying to grab a guys gun out of a retention holster. Mission still got accomplished
God, the number of Walmart-special nylon holsters with the spring clips that I see people open carrying… Sometimes, I want to ask them if I can demonstrate how easy it would be to just snatch the whole thing and run. 😅
I knew a professional thief once that would stake out his victims for days. What I learned from that is to never advertise your assets. No flags, bumper sticker or branded clothes.
Wouldn't you want to advertise if you fear being staked out? If they always saw you armed, chances are they'd move to a different target. Yeah you'd lose out on your "opportunity" to get to use your concealed carry, but wouldn't it be better to not need to in the first place?
In poker, it would offer little advantage. Many see an armed individual as LESS of a target, not more. Hence why so many mass violence events occur in 2a free zones. Crooks generally dont want a fight, especially with an armed person. I prefer concealed personally, but don't shame others who choose to express their 2a right as they see fit. Faster draw from open carry, has its benefits and drawbacks
in poker there is a game we use to play about 2am or so called Indian Chief.everybody gats three cards down you hold them to your forehead.Everybody gets to see everyones cards but there own.let the betting begin I conceal carry
First time I ever saw a person openly carrying was back in 1962. I was a little boy visiting family in Arizona and saw a man walking into a hardware store with a “six shooter” holstered on his hip. My very first thought was “he’s a cowboy and the Wild West is real.”
My first time was as a 10 year old in lake Tahoe. Same deal ssa strapped to his hip. Very cool. This was back in late 1967. Probably no longer the case in California.
And you have many till this day throughout Arizona who don't mind displaying their firearm. Not my style. I dont want anyone knowing what I might be carrying. Concealed is definitely my choice hands down.
Glad to hear this topic . I ve concealed carry since 1971. No permits back then unless you could prove needed. Been arrested .gone to court . And firearm(s) returned . No ammo . I did business in a tough neighborhood. America . My father was a pistol . I'm a son of a gun .
@@dannyfrog People who want that “element of surprise” always assume that they will be a bystander instead of the target victim. Your element of surprise doesn’t work when you are the one being attacked for giving the impression that you are an easy target.
Same here, and if you got called to the principle's office about your firearms it was because they were curious how you liked that rifle and did you think it was better this other rifle.
I watched a video from inside a convenience store that showed a 15 yo kid standing behind a guy that was open carrying. You can see the kid examining the holster to see the retention method, and when the guy stepped up the counter the kid snatched the pistol and was out the door before the guy could even turn around. The video is on Active Self Protection channel, it’s worth watching.
That's why if your going to open carry wear a shoulder holster. I carry in a horizontal shoulder holster. If they try to steel my gun they're gonna have a fight on their hands.
I open carry around my property, but carry concealed in public. I love the Talks Channel, Mr. Hickok... most of this community here could listen to you all day long, Sir.
The only place I "open carry" is when I'm in the woods/on a farm. Outside of that, it's concealed carry for me. Most open carriers I've interacted with are more "look at me" types. Meh, I'm good.
@francostacy7675 I'm talking about "look at me" type.not everyone is like that. So don't put a title on everyone that carries outside the waistband a "look at me" person. Everyone has their reasons. You ever think they possibly could have a medial reason, or something of that nature...
You’ll rarely see a prohibited felon from open carrying. They carry concealed as well. Open carry is on record of preventing robberies and assaults from happing in the first place, Mr. Ninja.
@@paddington1670which one is that?? Oh Canada, you mean the country that doesn’t allow its citizens to have thoughts because they need a nanny state to function in their lives? Good luck with that! Speaking of developed, what exactly had Canada developed in the last 20 years that can be found in every household….:I’ll wait
As a LEO, many years ago, my wife and I stood in a checkout line in a grocery store, behind two of the three people I had arrested three days prior on a warrant... out of Seattle...for armed robbery. I always TRIED to treat everyone with professionalism...Courtesy and respect...At least as much as the situation permitted...Gunther and James were professional criminals, it's what they "Did for a living". James had previously shot and seriously wounded a female checker in another grocery store. He told me it was an accident due to the fact that the only gun he could find was a Black Hawk .44 magnum revolver and he didn't know how to handle it...He had wanted to find a "Nice little 32" but no luck.They didn't have much time to shop around because he and Gunther needed money for dope...SOON. They recognized me in my street clothes, smiled at me, nodded, and paid for their purchases and left. Leaving me wondering how the Hell they had made Bail. To this day, I am convinced that one's first defense should be, an adult demeanor, and a smile... and an honest, "Sorry about That" response...If a response is called for, and... an apology, if you...OR... your (POTENTIAL) ADVERSARY, thinks it's due ..A Withheld apology is a lousy thing to get killed for and a lousy thing to kill someone over. It also helps if you have your dominate hand in your pocket, gripping the butt of a light weight, six shot, two-inch revolver. As an FTO I told my many training partners, "Never try to take some one's dignity away from them... NEEDLESLY... it may be the only thing in life they have left and there is a good chance they will fight you for it". I also told them if they wanted to ride with me, they should leave their Ego in their locker.
Yes. People think they have to be the big guy so that they don't get walked over or disrespected. I get that ideology in the thug life. But when you are at wendys with your family and someone bumps into you, you still say you are sorry. Its not being a wuss or being taken advantage of, its avoiding a conflict with someone that means absolutely nothing to you and you will likely never see again in your life. Ego gets people kilt in da streets. My dad always had a cheesey saying. "You may be right, but you may be dead and right.
"Never try to take some one's dignity away from them... NEEDLESLY... it may be the only thing in life they have left and there is a good chance they will fight you for it" --- Not a LEO myself, but I feel like an awful lot of volatile situations involving law enforcement take a turn for the worse and end up with people killed, because of this exact thing. Outstanding advice.
As a citizen, the whole rambling comment you just made really made me question whether you're the kind of LEO I would want protecting me or whether I'd just rather look out for myself. Are you on dope yourself, or do you just not know how to write in proper English?
This. I tell my trainees that you don't want a long line of enemies running around because you can't do your job professionally. Sometimes a mean attitude is all they'll listen to but most of the time they know you're doing your job.
South Carolina just started allowing anyone 18 and up to carry concealed or open without a permit. I’m 18 and I conceal carry everywhere I’m allowed to do so. No one else needs to know I’m carrying. I live in a dangerous area so I like the peace of mind it gives me.
Just make sure you read up on the laws. Because they lower the age and make it more accessible, the laws are far more harsh for charges Involving a gun, even if you have good intentions.
@@SABbrew I know. The charges are more harsh for people without a permit. That’s why people don’t like the bill because it isn’t real constitutional carry.
@@SABbrew yes read the laws. Here in Tennessee we have permit-less carry not to be confused with constitutional carry. Tennessee also offers an enhanced carry permit. The laws are different on where you can carry and are based on whether you have a permit or not. I got my permit before the new law came in to effect so it doesn't matter.
The first thing my grandfather ever told me when I started being interested in guns is, “The only time anyone should know you are armed, is when they are staring at the smoking hole in their chest” … Lived like that ever since.
I feel like there’s a time and a place to open carry like if I’m going to be driving long hours like a truck driver I would open carry and when I go for a run and don’t have any clothes that I can run in that I can conceal my gun and it does give you a faster draw time and you can carry bigger guns
i live in Terrell TX also, not once have i ever seen anybody open carry. However i have noticed a lot of printing and that’s only because im specifically looking for that. If you don’t mind me asking where in town have you seen open carry ?
As a late bloomer to the gun community, I discovered you on the TH-cams (2012). You helped me have a good, level-headed view and respect of guns. You have always given honest and good content and reviews for the rest of us. Thank you!
You really need someone to help you be " level headed " ?? Its common sense. Logic. My concern is those that have and use guns..... OPENLY point their weapon at people as if the gun is a toy ! The prime example...... Alec Baldwin Never ever point / aim a gun .....at anyone unless you intend on shooting them ! Never ! That means even if its unloaded. Thats how people are shot ! As a 14 year old....hunting pheasants.... my father climbed over a fence.... and I followed. In doing so I pointed ( for a second ) my shotgun at my dad. He dropped me in my tracts ! He said........you NEVER point a gun at anyone ! Get the point ???????
It's been said that the best EDC pistol is the one you'll bother to carry. Granted, when I heard this, it was in a conversation about full size 1911s, and whether or not the added weight is worth the barrel length, but I feel it applies here as well. If your handgun is not practical to conceal, and you'd rather go without than conceal it, open carry is still a better option.
@@Sparky5 I have yet to talk to anyone OCing that has ever been challenged at a cash machine. I do know a few who had issues CC at these locations. As the world continues to disintegrate, OC will probably be much more necessary.
I also open carry in Havasu. As you know, it's pretty safe here. Just about everyone I know is canceled carrying . It makes some of the seasonal rvs nervous, but if they had any idea who was camping around them, for example, in the craggy wash area, they would be armed to.
No determined person with a gun has ever been deterred by seeing someone with one. People challenge law enforcement officers everyday. If someone really wants to hurt you, they’ll try anything.
As a wheelchair user sometimes it is easier for me to carry my pistol in a holster on my chest. I have also found it rather difficult to use a IWB or OWB holster when I'm wearing bib overalls, so, when I'm wearing bib overalls. I also carry my pistol on my chest while using my ATV.
I don't carry open in public, but I'm ok with others doing it. The reason I don't is because I don't want to risk having to put up with having a conversation about it with a stranger. That was a damn fine sentence.
@@TheWizardboy5 While that is a valid concern, it's not one of my concerns. I'm not even concerned enough to bother with carrying. The only time I carry is when I have to go out to the garage after dark.
@@grayharker6271 i have been saying that about the police for years. Think how many would be alive if they just conceal carried so they were not a target and scaring people.
Very very outstanding man. Wonderful performance. I like him greatly. Watching for years. No one better. Please keep up the great work. Thanks a million. SC Navy vet. 1965. 🇺🇸😊👩🚒
The anti-gun people think if you carry that you're looking for any excuse to use it. It's the last thing most of us want to do. I hope I never have to pull it.
@@TheDarkLasombra I CC but it doesn't bother me if someone OC, but in a CC state it doesn't make sense. Like you said, probably the intimidation factor.
I have Concealed Carry pistols for over 40 years. Almost EVERYWHERE… it the right thing for ME… Alabama is an open carry state legally. I don’t think twice if I see open carry though.
Hickof45/John - Got a topic for you. Firearm maintenance and storage. Not specifically on cleaning of a firearm but more on the durations between overalls i.e. springs, etc. This seems to be a topic of much debate. Things like how often to replace recoil springs, etc. Second part of that is best options for long term storage. Just thought. Love the Talks series.
Just my .02, so take with a grain of salt: if it's my EDC (semi-auto pistol), I change all springs, including recoil spring/guide rod every 5000 rds. Also, get all new magazines every 2000rds or every 2 years, whichever comes first. Once again, just my program, but has worked well for me.
@@gisellesbikeseat That's good feedback. From what I have gathered, everyone is drastically different. A million different opinions. I think it comes down to whatever anyone is comfortable with. Really appreciated your feedback. But a little surprised about 2K magazine spring.
@jflan8536 agreed, everyone will have their opinions on this im sure. My magazine exchange rate is probably overkill, but I have personally experienced several magazine failures with several different pistol brands (all OEM magazines with less than 2000rds through them.) Albeit the mags all spent quite a bit of time loaded and stored in/out of a hot glove box, which isn't optimal. Kel-Tec, Ruger, and even a Glock 43x mag were the ones that had issues. No problems with Sig, Kahr, Canik, Springfield or Smith and Wesson mags though. Again, just my experience.
The key from this video was @2:38: "Depends on where you live." At this typing, yesterday was 118°. I can't wear that extra shirt or even IWB. To carry inside my pants would be to need a new holster every few months due to sweat deterioration, Kydex or not. I live in a 'Blue City' of ¾ million people, have open carried into stores, restaurants, banks, wine sheds (package, not bars), local university to have lunch with my wife (NOT illegal in my state!), heck, even the dog park each morning. Never in 14 years of living here have I had even one person complain, fall out, whine. They may ask me what it is--Kahr CW9--but no drama. Even had a cop ask me that question one time. Didn't want license or ID, just a query. I don't wear shirts with crossed black guns on them and my hat doesn't have "Come n' Take It" splattered all over it. My Bronco doesn't have "Come Meet Jesus" bumper stickers. I don't fiddle with it or walk like John Wayne. No fuss, no problemo.
Live in Las Vegas, I open carry and have been for 5 years and never had a problem besides maybe some idiots saying some stupid threat from afar and me ignoring it but not ignoring them. Im polite, and avoid trouble like the plague as I feel someone whos carrying has a duty to be responsible and passive until they cant be. I also live in a very bad neighborhood, and take the bus and still really no major problems. I also use a holster thats minimalist and dont sport punisher skulls. People say open carry means you a target for gettin ambushed, well maybe but I think being situationally aware as well as confident in my shooting ability makes me not really fear that. Also not carrying yourself like a victim.
@@dustydesertdisciple6290 Yup. I don't believe that open carry makes one a target. Being stupid, burying your head in your phone while wearing ear pods makes one a target.
I live in West Texas and got my concealed carry license which is now known as a License to Carry back in 1995. Open carry came then Constitutional Carry. From 1995 -2024, I think I may have open carried only two or three times. I prefer to conceal carry. I'm not carrying a weapon to show it off I'm carrying it to defend myself or someone else whichever the case may be. I really enjoyed the video and subscribed to the channel. Stay Safe and Take Care!
Again, a very nice, civil explanation from our articulate host. If other people want to open carry in public and they're safe and sensible folks, I've got no problem with it. For me it's a bit vulgar and I'd rather not let my being armed become common knowledge.
Well said! I find open carry most often vulgar, and what a bon mot for this subject! Having said that, I'd like Florida to make it legal for two reasons: I don't want to swap my clothes around when I hit the country store on my way to and from camp. But mainly... I wish the law to be unambiguous, which it is not in Florida. I can open carry on the way to camp, but if I make a single stop, now I'm no longer traveling to fish, hunt, camp or on the way to/from the range. Now the cop gets leeway in deciding if I'm legally carrying. Hard no.
Open carry is legal in my state, yet I reserve it for camping, hunting, or remote areas, with my G40 10mm secured in a chest holster. In urban settings and crowded places, I opt for concealed carry to prevent drawing unnecessary attention or becoming a target without any tactical advantage.
You need a tactics refresher course of you believe open carry has not tactical benefit. Show of force has been an effective part of military doctrine in every culture that has ever fielded an army.
@@JosephAllen-d2e Your argument strays from the main topic and is thus irrelevant. The video discusses a civilian's right to carry a firearm for self-defense, not the circumstances of a soldier deployed in a war zone.
@@JosephAllen-d2eExcept civilians are not military, and the environments in which those two operate are on totally different ends of the spectrum. Just because it has worked for the military does not mean it'll work for the everyday average citizen.
@@JosephAllen-d2e Civilian carry is for self-defense purposes or, very rarely, defense of others. Military tactics are primarily aggressive and for the purpose of actively neutralizing hostiles. You cannot equate the two.
I won't fault anyone who chooses open carry because that is your right. That said, it is an undeniable fact that you make your weapon seen by all. This includes anyone who has it on their minds to do something bad. I admit an open carry might deter the bad guy who sees it, but if the deterrance doesn't work, the open carry guy is the first target to get shot (or shot at). I'm a concealed carry guy for this reason, because I don't want the bad guy to know I'm armed.
I think open carry acts to seriously deter crime in general, much like how a police officer just being around acts to deter crime. That said, you do tend to make yourself a target depending on how crazy/murderous the criminal is. A dumbass trying to rob a gas station will probably be deterred. An active shooter? Maybe not. That said, I think healing the public perception of open carry is a good thing. If you do decide to open carry, it would probably be smart to dress sharp and carry yourself in a dignified way.
We need more of this old man wisdom in our lives. Takes experience in life and true observations of people to develop a perspective like this. Appreciate the tone and logic, glad the algorithm brought me over! lol
@@deebee4575 Which is ridiculous. But they still require the permit anyway. I mean, what real difference does it make, concealed or open? You're armed either way.
@@silverhammer7779 remember, EVERY gun law is an infringement of the 2A! The government telling you you need a permit to be armed means that it's not a right, it's a privilege that can be taken away, and that's completely unconstitutional!
@@plaguepandemic5651 Preachin' to the choir, dude. The function of modern government seems to be the conversion of all rights into bureaucratically awarded and administered privileges, and screw what George Bush called "a goddamn piece of paper."
The issue with the statistics on open carrying, people will say "you make yourself a target" or you lose the 'element of surprise' there is however an argument to be made about deterrent. A petty criminal is less likely to mug you, or rob the store you're working in if there is an active deterrent, in this case a firearm on your hip. Issue being with this argument, you cannot actively track deterred crimes, no one is polling people outside of the gas station asking if you didnt rob the place because they were carrying or not etc.
Actually they asked the criminals in Florida prisons in a study. They found that criminals avoid armed victims, and they are more scared of being shot by a civilian than a police officer.
@@bathwatercod5206 every place i inquired about a part time job flat out told me i could not carry my weapon while working for them. They much preferred just handing over the money and letting insurance replace it. It may be different elsewhere, but I'm in Indiana and have to live by their rules. But then, we were not allowed to work in a liquor store or bar. We could not drive a taxi. Several other jobs were off limits also. All were at high onthe list for robberies etc.
I've been in a situation years ago where some scumbag pointed a gun at me (while I was working outside) trying to rob me & my equipment, this was before I owned any firearms but, after that I carry EVERYWHERE I go. You never know when something crazy like that will happen. But as far as carrying goes, always conceal in public imo. Especially if you don't have a holster with a locking mechanism, thieves are getting bold these days. Plus, if a situation happens where someone wants to commit violent acts with a firearm, they'll most likely target the guy who's open carrying first if they see the gun. But then again, those degenerates probably wouldn't even think twice about it and just start hurting people without looking for someone who is carrying and would stop them.
There’s no upside to open carry aside from maybe comfort? If you’re goal is self defense sure it turns people away from targeting you but if you fear a mass shooting of some kind open carry puts you as the immediate target
I open carry in the mountains. Easy access if I need it. Otherwise, I'm concealing. I don't see a benefit to open carry in a store. It draws unnecessary attention.
Yup. Definitely open in the woods. But then again, the shotgun or rifle is a pretty good giveaway to begin with! I do tend to conceal on public trails. If it's grizzly and moose country, I'm wide open.
@@letsdothis9063 My uncle gave me a model 1897 which may or may not have been cut down many years ago ( hello atf) that is going to become my mountain gun. I live in an area where it's not uncommon to see open carry and I'm good with people doing it, it's just not for me. Things can get wild in the wilderness though.
"Easy access if I need it" is a good argument for open carry in every situation, is it not? Your odds of needing your sidearm in the mountains isn't all that different from your odds of needing your sidearm in Walmart. Something to think about.
@thomabb you're not wrong. Where I live I'm more concerned with a mountain lion jumping me than a person. In public I would have the element of surprise, so to speak. Having you firearm holstered anywhere on you is a hindrance but we can't really walk around holding it all the time.
Lots of open carry in southeast Arizona. Not everyone wears the latest in tacticool attire around here which in itself kind of makes you a target. Both men and women open carry in town with no issues and it isn’t to show off. Open carry makes sense and I haven’t heard of any open carry horror stories. If you want to see real open carry, come to Tombstone. I keep hearing from the tacticool guys about how people who open carry have their guns stripped away daily and shot…by the hundreds and thousands yet when I ask for stats, no one responds including Colton Noir and others of his ilk. I’ve searched the internet and all I’ve found is people expressing OPINIONS, POSSIBILITIES, POTENTIALITIES and PROBABILITIES, but no stats. Your average criminal walking into a 7-11 is as dumb as a rock and not thinking tactically. He is going to take the path of least resistance and if he sees a gun it’s more likely he will walk away. That’s a fact you can actually look up. All you guys who have to have a 17rd sidearm with 3 extra magazines and a backup gun, with 2 extra magazines, tactical flashlight, etc making a huge bulge you don’t personally own, not only stick out like sore thumbs, you will never need or use everything you’re carrying on your person. In the unlikely event I have to pull, I want my gun out now instead of fumbling around, getting my gun caught in my shirt and shooting my dick off. To each his own. Show me the stats.
I gotta say, your point about not wearing tacticool attire resonates with me. Me personally, if I were to open carry, I would be dressing up in a nice collared shirt and jeans, with a leather holster, probably with either a nice blued 1911, or a wheel gun. I think public perception is everything if you are going to open carry. Not looking like a tacticool moron or a thug is paramount imo.
Also, I have a feeling why the big guntubers that are backed by lawyers and other suspect forms of capital spout the opinion that open carry is bad, and it ain’t got nothing to do with statistics or their personal opinion on the matter.
I agree with you brother. Carrying open gives the attacker time to think their plans out better. If they dont really suspect you have one they are less appointed toward you.
So the answer is not to hide the people who can defend themselves. The proper answer to that scenario is to have MORE people who have them and force the criminals into a situation where every other person within range has one then you will see crime reduce
In Michigan currently there are approximately 850k+ concealed carriers which is somewhere around 1 in 10 adults. That means if you go into a fairly busy Walmart, there may be up to 20 or more guns being carried there.
And our governoress witch is passing laws left and right to restrict where you can even conceal carry. I've often thought though, how would anyone know you are conceal carrying? I suppose if you save someone's life in a "safe zone", you can then be prosecuted for illegal carry... Such is life in Michigan.
@@francostacy7675this is a good point. All 4 of my parents (bio+step parents) have CPLs but none of them regularly carry. Personally mines on me 99% of the time in public.
The fact that neither side can point to evidence that shows the superiority of one or the other is a strong indicator that it doesn't matter. No one cares about people's speculations. Show us all the people who were killed first because they decided to open carry. Furthermore, show us all the people who died because they decided to carry concealed. You can't because this isn't a real issue. You could compile a data set on all the people who died because they couldn't hit what they were shooting at. Now, that's a real issue.
I agree with you although I've seen a clip of a dude smoked because he got the gun tangled in the shirt in a grapple and couldn't draw it. In turn I've also seen a cop killed with his own gun because he was in a busy place with hands in front and the gun at 5 o clock. So there are potential risks involved in both cases, they're nowhere near the chance of dying due to sleeping less than 7-8h or sleeping poorly (which is true for the majority of the developed world) so in practice you're right - this problem is largely made up.
Fully with you on the "keeping it hidden until its needed" thing. 1 you lose the element of surprise and 2 like you said it absolutely makes you more of a target if someone means to do harm. Plus while I don't really care what people think of me I do also realize that some may be off put by a gun and I'd rather people be at ease.
Most of the time if you OC legally somebody will call police saying someone is carrying a gun and then you have to deal with them wanting to check you out
There are a lot of things to consider when OC, but the old argument that OC are going to be targeted are ignoring the fact that people who AREN'T open carrying are targeted probably 99% more often. Ask someone who has open carried for a decade or more instead of someone who hasn't. You are right, there are strong opinions on the subject, and most are held by people with no experience as a civilian open carrying.
I know people that were attacked whether open or conceal carry. I know a guy that was doing security for the old food world in Irondale, Al and a guy snatched his 6" DA .357 mag and shot him and a clerk with it. That's just one example and there was a news story several months ago where a guy in a convenience store had his snatched by the guy in line behind him. Police and guard friend of mine told me stories of guards targeted and shot dead because they were armed and therefore removed before the intended crimes took place. I also know a couple of concealed carry guys that were targeted due to their positions, but they were employees of the establishments being robbed. My brother was robbed twice and once there were two perps, but only one armed and the idiots took the entire workforce into the backroom planning on forcing them into a confined space, but failed to search any of them...dumb criminals for sure and needles to say they didn't get away with it, but like I've said before... getting the drop still doesn't mean we'll survive as it depends on the situation, the perp, the mind altering substances said perp is on. I know people whom had plenty of time to return fire before expiration that were not on any substances. An exception is a guy on cocaine who took a 12 ga. load of 00 to the face point blank...he expired instantly as his brains were scattered about...half his ear was actually on top of the AC window unit, but regardless of the arm used most sd shootings are not brain shots. I prefer to conceal, but I don't get in anyone else's business that chooses open carry and in fact in areas where patriotic freedom loving Americans are the armed majority if everyone open carried it would probably deter crime.
Nothing like having your gun inside your waistband with a shirt over it so if you need it you got to screw around moving your shirt and coat. I open carry and couldn’t give a damn if anyone likes it or not.
I have so much respect for this man. I wish I could shake his hand someday. He says it like it is and he is very gentle natured. He has a lot of wisdom to share and it would be good for us to consider it. As I watched the video I had a realization. It’s not so much really about open or concealed carry. It’s the direction our country went as we became more comfortable and began leaning more and more on police for protection. The generations have passed into new culture. It has become odd to see open carry. The difference is, if a bad guy goes into a store wanting to do bad things in the Wild West, nearly every person had a pistol on their belt. They knew it would be unwise to try and catch 20 people off guard. They knew they would not make it. Self preservation is the strongest human drive. Nowadays, if a bad guy goes into a store to do bad things, he may see one person open carry and yes, that person becomes the first target. There will be a short amount of time that includes risk, but when we return to the culture of nearly everyone open carrying, it will do more to stop violent crime. For now, until that happens, it is wise to keep it concealed. The goal though, is to make very swift changes to our culture with a massive movement, so that all the bad guys know we are armed. It’s the only way. Which store will he go into? The one with a sign saying no one here is armed, or everyone on premises is armed to the teeth?
I open carry everywhere. Not sure if it was because I was open carrying or not, but a homeless woman tried to jump me the other month. She had a box cutter and was coming at me. It was the first time I’ve ever had to pull my firearm on anyone. At first I thought she was just crazy, but maybe she wanted my firearm. Luckily, she backed down after I pointed the barrel at her. I also learned that my dog won’t protect me at all hahaha
As a fat person it's all about comfort to me, there isn't a whole lot of holsters out there particularly for me. I do have this waist band that I am able to conceal comfortably, however during the summer time I tend to wear light clothing as much as possible to not sweat and I do print, so there isn't any point for me to conceal it, until I find the right IWB that fits me perfectly. But now it's getting colder I can go back to my normal baggy clothing and I don't print when concealing with my waste band. I understand the risks of open carry, isn't smart. But I rather armed, instead of unarmed period.
If I'm in a restaurant and someone has a handgun in a holster, I am not bothered. If they come in carrying a rifle or shotgun, I'm leaving immediately. I'm not waiting to see if they are good or bad.
yep, I'm all for the the right to open care. like you said a side arm. not a problem. a rifle I'm going on full alert. no reason to be packing a rifle around for just defense. out and about.
@@brucehayes3573 Yes its not practical but maybe but also no one would carry rifle for self defense around town most likely scenario woudl be they were at shooting range or hunting and are open carry becasue of that, yes normally in such scenario if u were shooting long guns and decide to get dinner right after you would have that rifle unloaded and locked in a case, but its their right to carry it openly on their shoulder if they want to as long as he didnt bust out the door holding the thing in his arms I dont see a cause for alarm ''oh but he might pretend to come to eat but then he starts pointing out the rifle at people and shout its robbery '' true but then same could be said about that guy with a pistol who is sitting at a table I see no difference here
@@Nexesys it's a perfectly logical stigma, there's no reason to go walking around in public toting a long arm. We have a right to free speech too but there's rightfully a lot of stuff you can say that people will get upset at.
Ive always felt like open carry crowd and the people who carry because they think they'll be a hero rather than for actual defense have a significant overlap. The kind of person who almost wants something to happen so they can prove themselves in some manner. Most people ive met who opened carried weren't as pleasant to interact with as concealed carriers, because the kind of person whos brazen with their gun is usually brazen in other areas too. And then they kind of perpetuate the notion to non-gun owners that gun owners are standoffish. Kind of like the lifted truck pavement princess crowd.
@@shawngosciminski9300 I'm only speaking my subjective thoughts based on encounters with people I've met so far in life, so im not sure what constitutes as untrue in this scenario. There's a reason I said significant overlap instead of saying they are always the same crowd. It's impossible to meet every person who opens carries, so I can only speak to what I have seen. It's your right to open carry, but if you can't see how that mentality of showing off your gun attracts a certain crowd that's less pleasant to interact with, I dont really know what to tell ya. All I can say is I certainly dont seem to be alone in the sentiment, from the looks of it, so if you do open carry, maybe its worth considering how your peers impact the perception others may end up having about you.
@@shawngosciminski9300 You're just really upset that everyone is pointing out their own experience with open carry folk like yourself. Because it's hitting home, or there aren't enough people on your side here. But it's alright man, you don't have to say the same thing over and over again. It's the internet, it's an echochamber, just enjoy the content and stay calm
@airthrowDBT You make a good point. In outdoors environments, i actually prefer open carry because those are more likely to be the friendly hunter types who are likely gonna be well prepped for outdoors in general. I dont get out to hike much, but i would also probably open carry on a trail just because it makes more logical sense, especially when you got all your other gear/layers on you. The outdoorsy crowd is less likely to be unsettled by an openly carried gun anyways, especially in areas with dangerous wildlife. Also, a gun is much less of a statement after all the other hiking equipment factors in, so it doesnt attract the crowd that makes their gun their whole identity.
Im 100% pro open carry. You can do it tastefully and logically. Youd also be surprised at how many people arent situationally aware enough to notice a gun on someones hip. If you act the way you would when you conceal carry you wont be a target. It also starts with YOU being aware of your surroundings and using the right gear. Nobodybshould be against open carry, the fudds are our 2nd biggest threat as gun owners and a lot of these comments prove it.
I just got my first firearm for concealed carry in July. I’m from CT and I couldn’t believe how many people were in the gun store! You’re right that there are so many more people carrying than the public knows.
im born and raised in the valley and i honestly can count the number of times ive seen someone open carrying in town on my hands... not sure where the fuck you hang out lmao
When I worked for a law enforcement agency as part of the training the instructor had each of us stand at one end of a twenty foot room with a dummy handgun in a fastened holster and he stood at the other end of the room with a rubber knife. The objective was for us to get the gun out and point it at the instructor before he could get to us with the knife. None of us passed the test and we all knew when he was coming and from what direction. In the real world you won't know when the attack will come or from what direction The object of that lesson was "Don't think that having a gun on you makes you safe."
So true and not to mention all the Bullsh!t that may result from you shooting someone, not to mention killing someone. Hope y'all gots lots of money for the lawyers fees.
@@ronie1337unless you are in idaho in which case feel free to air out the mf threat to you or anyone around you. You wont need a lawyer and will sleep in your own bed that night.
@@ronie1337In other words your opinion is simply, don't bother to defend yourself because you're screwed either way. Just be defenseless like all the Europeans and leftists want
Back in 2004 immediatly after taking my CCW class I only had a single firearm and it was a .454 Casull with an 8 3/4" barrel. When I got paid the next Friday I bought a XD-40, but in the few days before I open carried my .454 since open carry was legal. I put my shirt ove the handle, but it was extremely obvious. I had lots of looks but that was it. Went to the grocery store and the mall. One guy at the gamestop said it was cool. On another note, while sitting at a big family get together at Pizza Ranch with about 30 family members one of us said something about who carried regularly and we realized that 8 of us were armed at the time in our group. So when you are at a restaurant with a hundred people you can bet that at least a handful are going to be armed. When I have opened carried I am always super paranoid about my proximity to others. Retention holsters are a must if it is on the belt. There are a lot more good people than bad people. That is why an armed society is a good thing. The people that worry about it are probably people that think they aren't good and project that on to others.
I agree with your stance, Hickok. The idea of preventing outcry from folks disagreeing with the act of open carry and the aspect of less interactions about your weapon has got to be the best outcome. The number of interactions I would have had, positive or negative, outweighs the benefits of carrying openly.
I only open carry when my wife and I get pedicures. You never can tell about nail salon clientele...kidding. Actually, open carry at the nail salon is a social thing, as the owner is a long time gun enthusiast and my good friend. Other than that, I don't care and have no judgement on open or concealed carriers. More power to both of them.
My philosophy, and carry as well as most things in life. I leave other people alone if they leave me alone. I don't get the hatred that CCers have for OCers, it is just downright ignorant.
bentwheeldryerrepair Tho you ment kiddingly, there was a triple murder at a nail saloon / hairdresser in Florence Montana about 10 yrs ago. Some guy in a black slicker walked in, shot a couple customers and the owner and went out the back. Don't think he took any money. They're Still looking for him. If just One of those women was carrying... ☆
I conceal in Missouri but it’s open. The people that do open draw a lot of attention to them. I agree. Don’t become a target. Also brandishing is not good. Just like we all have been taught never point a gun at anything you don’t want to shoot. You’re a level headed guy. I appreciate your candor. Thank you for all the level headed videos and reviews.
I appreciate this conversation as a 60 year old Tennessean and a life member of the NRA who was carrying since I was a teen that didn't even know there may be a law against it. Also, 30 years of Army and National guard service. I seldom carry anymore. I always appreciate when I see someone else carrying and sometime I feel a concealed weapon when hugging family. I appreciate anybody who does carry as they are the people who are willing to protect them selves and other people around them. I have noticed that some people have appeared a bit uncomfortable when they saw me carrying openly and that did bother me. I never wanted to make anybody uncomfortable. I will often thank people for carrying if I find myself in conversation with a person exorcising the rite. There has always been something honest about open carry but I appreciate concealed carry to. I completely understand the "pros" of concealed carry. It is safer for anyone to conceal. I would be happy if it was common to consider everyone as armed.
Nobody thinks twice when they see an armed cop. We NEED to normalize civilian carry like that too. Also if you're going to open carry then be POLITE. You're taking on a role as 2A ambassador while you're open carrying.
Hmm. This is actually a rational well thought out answer... I like that part about being a “2A ambassador”, I wish more people looked at it that way. Probably we’d have less issues and actually be closer to normalizing ownership.
@PTANV-x2g Look in a Mirror if someone dropped a loaded 9mm on the Floor in Walmart and it killed your kid or grandkid who the hell is ignorant then .😡
As a retired LEO, tactical advantage has always been absolutely essential. I never let anyone know I’m armed. Don’t have LEO vehicle tags, stickers or wear typical Cop clothing. Always aware of my surroundings.
Totally agree with you. Unless you are a police officer, a cape makes you a hero, open carry makes you a target. For all those that carry, how many carry cuffs or some method to secure your antagonist once they’re down? Guess you just shoot till they stop moving? That’s murder. Be practical and tactical out there!
I open carry, locking holster that won’t come off my belt, I can draw quickly, but no one can get it off of me, my friend is an officer, we did some scenarios in which he tried to disarm me and couldn’t. I am often alone at night, in remote areas, I have been approached in a menacing way and had the person say “Oh, you have a gun”, turn and walk away. We had a situation with being harassed by a lose dog on a regular basis, after it attacked one of our dogs, we reported it to animal control, nothing changed, one day the owner saw their dog accosting us, said “Oh sh*@ she has a ‘f’ing gun’, they addressed their dog running loose, 3 years later, still no problems. It is clearly a deterrent. I can draw quicker than when concealed, I’ve drawn in self protection twice, there’s no comparison to the time it takes. Under duress my fine motor skills aren’t as sharp, getting past clothing takes a tad longer, getting the best grip, unlocking safety…all takes just a tad longer. That’s too long for me. On my hip I can draw the second I recognize the threat, I have had to do this, it confirmed to me how quickly I can draw and deter an assailant charging at me clinched fists, he did not know I had a gun until he was staring down the barrel. It’s also a great discussion starter, for me always in a positive way, often when we part ways they say to me or to the person they are with some form of “I guess nobody will “F” with her.” I only conceal when there’s no other reasonable option, one of those places was church where a guy cornered me in an area where others weren’t around, getting to my weapon I was so slow he was able to push me before I could get control of my weapon, someone else walked in right at that moment and dealt with him. I firmly believe open carry saved my life (the police investigating agreed).
Yea, where I live some guys will come in to Wal-Mart to buy a box of ammo or whatever, and not only open carry but talk LOUDLY the entire time, usually about something stupid, that NOONE cares about.. desperate for attention, like so many people in today's world 😢
I’ve opened carried for about 5 years now. I have some main reasons for open carrying 1.I live in NC and refuse to pay for permission to carry my firearm concealed with the mandatory classes and permit costs. 2.Its always gonna be faster to draw from a solid OWB Holster than conceal 3.Id rather me be targeted first instead of some innocent person that isn’t able to potentially defend themselves 4.Ive got weight on me so it’s much more comfortable to carry open. 5.It could potentially be a crime deterrent. Someone may be considering robbing a store and see someone armed in line and decide to not worry about it. I’d rather potentially de-escalate before it ever comes to any potential fatality. NOW I will say, if you open carry BUY A LOCKING HOLSTER AND ALWAYS ALWAYS BE AWARE OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS. don’t ever let anyone position themselves behind or beside you were they can grab your firearm. And a lock on your gun could save your life. I’ve personally never been scrutinized by anyone for carrying open. there’s places I won’t/can’t in NC Like a public park or mall for example. Then I’d be more willing to potentially carry concealed without permission but I’ve personally never been in that situation yet. If I could conceal carry over open carry I would, but I’m not paying the several hundred dollars for classes (that I know I’d pass already ) and for permits. Nice to see more people in the comments who are more open to the idea of open carry. It used to be such a negatively viewed thing. Glad more people are realizing it’s not that bad.
Just thinking, i think a police officer in any place would make someone second guess a crime, and they're obviously open carrying. I operate on a similar basis
if everyone open carried, 'being the first target' would be a non-issue it's only when you're the only one open carrying that it can become a problem worth worrying about.
The obvious problem is you don’t know how sane that person with a gun is or his level of training or their skill level. Being purposely or accidentally shot carries the exact same ramifications.
@@Jcs57What is your point exactly here? Open or concealed has no bearing on what you've commented. The fact is if a large number of people open carried we could remove the insane leftist voices who know nothing about guns because society would become used to seeing them in everyday situations
@@AlanRoehrich9651 Kicked out of store/restaurant.....Cops called. Now a new sign that says "no weapons" is posted on the door for all of us next time. You sure showed them!
I live in Prescott and do both. If I’m out in the woods I open carry and if I need to stop at a convenience store or grocery store I’m open carrying. Glad I have the freedom to do both.
Sometimes, open carry will act as a deterrent and make someone think twice about doing something stupid especially if they aren’t interested in offing someone. It could actually help you avoid negative situations. On the contrary, concealed carrying holds you to a higher standard in a defensive situation in court. Because you are trained and "know better," I heard this from cops.
As an Australian living in Australia I’m glad that I live where there is no need to be so frightened about crime that I’d need to carry a weapon. I enjoy the freedom to walk around without worrying about some fruitcake with a firearm going feral, or being wounded by someone taking a pot shot at whoever they think is a bad guy and missing. I like firearms and learned to shoot at an early age, but really don’t want them all over the place uncontrolled. PS: before a bunch of Americans jump on this saying that you can’t get weapons in Australia, you are wrong. It is possible to get them, but you need to justify why. Being frightened is not considered a good reason.
@@markedwards4879 WTF is wrong with Australians. There is no other nationality I’ve ever seen that is so proud to have such restrictions on your liberty. Even most Europeans in restrictive countries don’t have the same elation about gun control as Australians.
@@markedwards4879 dont worry dude, the rest of the developed world stands with you. No need for guns, we all know it - except Americans who already shit the bed so hard in respect to giving everyone the right to bear arms, which is a double edged sword, as of decades ago; they literally cant fix what theyve done because they opened the flood gates.
I’m starting to wonder if the anti open carry thing is intentional by those who want only the police to have and open carry guns. None of the anti open carry arguments hold up when considering it relative to tens of thousands of law enforcement officers doing it every day.
It’s absolutely intentional. Get people riled up enough and the state will take away your rights and say it’s the people’s will. We should be smarter than divide and conquer, but that’s what defines us today. Frustrating.
Retired cop, Alabama. Open carry everywhere. What I have found is that 90% of people are totally unaware, self-absorbed and never even notice the other 10% I have already noticed. But I also carry a concealed backup at all times just like I did when I was working to eliminate the "cons". But that's just me.
I don't question you one bit. You have much more awareness due to your career. You have a right to your view. I am conceal carry and feel better for it. Hope to never have to use it, for sure.
colts... do it!! Don't you think you'd enjoy it... knowing you have open access we both know you're faster!!! open carry for the win, ccw permit and dont bother hiding it. Agreed, community needs to come together and know that tough conversations dont mean people want to fight about it. Some just have more to say than others, thanks for the vids hickock, just realized you have a second channel
I open carry when I'm weary of wildlife; I conceal when I'm weary of people.
Spot on truth, great comment.
I’m no expert but…. What about when you’re not weary at all? Perhaps you meant wary?
Smart!!!
Wary
Weary: feeling tired
Wary: showing caution
“If I ever get old”
I swear this man hasn’t aged a bit since his first video!!
yea verily
It’s going to be a sad day when this man goes I can tell just from his videos that he’s a good guy and the type that would help you out when your down on your luck
Black don’t crack
Apparently U haven't watched .45 very long. Since I have been watching him I have gained 50 lbs. lost most of my hair, and had cataract surgery!!!1
@@back2backjack1no joke I've gone bald in the time watching Hickok and I started when I was 12. Also got diabetes and going blind in my left eye. I'm only 30 😂 life's been rough
I open carry. I live in the middle of nowhere. I seldom see a person so I’m not to worried about becoming a target here on the range. I conceal carry anytime I’m amongst the population.
I'm in this wxact same boat
Why not just conceal carry all the time and not have to practice two different draw strokes?
open carry out in rural areas is defiinitely understandable because the context matches the situation, whereas when you're out in a much more densely populated area walking around with an AR, i could understand the perspective of someone seeing that and being worried from the mass "events" in the past decade and a half on the uprise (you know what im talking about, youtube overzealously shadow deletes comments so i cant say it)
@@3nertia because 1. draw time is not as important in the context of wildlife coming after you, it still matters but not to the extent of a situation where an adversary is armed
and 2. when you already have it out (most hunters carry rifles) your draw time is already exponentially faster
@@ChristopherGray00 That makes sense if you carry, say, a shotgun on your property for wildlife - I sure as shit don't want a pistol to deal with an irate bear or moose lol but both of your scenarios seem to really only apply to rifles ...
I do not open carry in public places for a few reasons:
1. As a private citizen, I think it is a tactical advantage if the bad guy doesn't know you are carrying. If you open carry, you may be forced to use your weapon in a situation that is not to your advantage tactically speaking. If I conceal carry, I get to choose if and when to engage.
2. I also realize that everyone is not a gun enthusiast as I am and may be uncomfortable around guns. I try to be respectful of their viewpoints.
3. Quite frankly, there has been a time or two when I witnessed someone open carry and given their demeanor, I was a bit nervous to be around them. In many cases, if I am behind them in a checkout line, the first thought that pops into my head is "Man, it would be so easy to grab that pistol out of their holster." Very few private citizens I have seen that open carry do it properly.
I personally never open carry BUT. I have seen a guy catch a knife under the chin for trying to grab a guys gun out of a retention holster. Mission still got accomplished
I was going to comment but this pretty much sums up what I would say.
Every point in your response is on-point.
God, the number of Walmart-special nylon holsters with the spring clips that I see people open carrying… Sometimes, I want to ask them if I can demonstrate how easy it would be to just snatch the whole thing and run. 😅
I knew a professional thief once that would stake out his victims for days. What I learned from that is to never advertise your assets. No flags, bumper sticker or branded clothes.
Yeah I’m sure a thief can’t wait to steal my Huk shirt.
Wouldn't you want to advertise if you fear being staked out? If they always saw you armed, chances are they'd move to a different target. Yeah you'd lose out on your "opportunity" to get to use your concealed carry, but wouldn't it be better to not need to in the first place?
Faith in God for protection is better.
A little OPSEC can go a long way.
"Why would I ever want to play poker with my cards facing the other way."
~ Clint Smith, on open carry
Stealing that❤
Clint Smith is a National Treasure.
In poker, it would offer little advantage. Many see an armed individual as LESS of a target, not more. Hence why so many mass violence events occur in 2a free zones. Crooks generally dont want a fight, especially with an armed person. I prefer concealed personally, but don't shame others who choose to express their 2a right as they see fit. Faster draw from open carry, has its benefits and drawbacks
That's a nonsense analogy.
in poker there is a game we use to play about 2am or so called Indian Chief.everybody gats three cards down you hold them to your forehead.Everybody gets to see everyones cards but there own.let the betting begin I conceal carry
First time I ever saw a person openly carrying was back in 1962. I was a little boy visiting family in Arizona and saw a man walking into a hardware store with a “six shooter” holstered on his hip. My very first thought was “he’s a cowboy and the Wild West is real.”
As a native Arizonan the Wild West is very real
My first time was as a 10 year old in lake Tahoe. Same deal ssa strapped to his hip. Very cool. This was back in late 1967. Probably no longer the case in California.
And you have many till this day throughout Arizona who don't mind displaying their firearm. Not my style. I dont want anyone knowing what I might be carrying. Concealed is definitely my choice hands down.
I was 10 or 11 in Michigan and saw a man carrying a revolver too but at a burger stand. He had a total cowboy outfit on too it was dope
@@jnew417 concealed is the smart choice. Don’t need to make yourself a target to be effective
I’m with you…I have no problem with open carry…but I carry concealed…”out of sight, out of mind” is the way I roll.
Glad to hear this topic .
I ve concealed carry since 1971.
No permits back then unless you could prove needed.
Been arrested .gone to court .
And firearm(s) returned .
No ammo .
I did business in a tough neighborhood.
America .
My father was a pistol .
I'm a son of a gun .
Carry concealed and keep 'em guessing. "Is he or ain't he...hmmm...is it worth my life to FAFO and be wrong?"
The element of surprise is still a winner.
@@silverhammer7779 9 out of 10 armed felons agree, that’s how they roll.
@@dannyfrog People who want that “element of surprise” always assume that they will be a bystander instead of the target victim. Your element of surprise doesn’t work when you are the one being attacked for giving the impression that you are an easy target.
I remember when every pick up truck parked at the high school had long guns mounted over the back window - and it was all normal and good.
The good old days
As it should be. We need to get back to normalizing seeing and have guns always
Same here, and if you got called to the principle's office about your firearms it was because they were curious how you liked that rifle and did you think it was better this other rifle.
the "good old days" are gone , concealed !
Your showing your age
I watched a video from inside a convenience store that showed a 15 yo kid standing behind a guy that was open carrying. You can see the kid examining the holster to see the retention method, and when the guy stepped up the counter the kid snatched the pistol and was out the door before the guy could even turn around. The video is on Active Self Protection channel, it’s worth watching.
That's why if your going to open carry wear a shoulder holster. I carry in a horizontal shoulder holster. If they try to steel my gun they're gonna have a fight on their hands.
I open carry around my property, but carry concealed in public. I love the Talks Channel, Mr. Hickok... most of this community here could listen to you all day long, Sir.
That's fair, I open carry a sidearm when I'm out hunting.
It's the only time I get to walk around with my big boy revolvers.
Why not just conceal carry all the time and not have to practice two different draw strokes?
@@3nertiafair point
The only place I "open carry" is when I'm in the woods/on a farm. Outside of that, it's concealed carry for me. Most open carriers I've interacted with are more "look at me" types. Meh, I'm good.
Right, the last thing you should want when carrying is drawing attention to yourself.
That's possible.. but that's not a 100% accurate..
@@shawngosciminski9300 he didn’t say 100% accurate, he said his encounters, regardless if that’s 10% or 100% that’s what he is encountered
I do the same when out back on my rural property.
@francostacy7675 I'm talking about "look at me" type.not everyone is like that. So don't put a title on everyone that carries outside the waistband a "look at me" person. Everyone has their reasons. You ever think they possibly could have a medial reason, or something of that nature...
I do not open carry, but those who want to have the right to do so if that's what they want to do. That's my view.
I think open carry is the dumbest thing anyone can do but I don't see how it impacts me if someone else does it.
You’ll rarely see a prohibited felon from open carrying. They carry concealed as well. Open carry is on record of preventing robberies and assaults from happing in the first place, Mr. Ninja.
so glad i live in a developed country.
@paddington1670 they treat you like children.
@@paddington1670which one is that?? Oh Canada, you mean the country that doesn’t allow its citizens to have thoughts because they need a nanny state to function in their lives? Good luck with that! Speaking of developed, what exactly had Canada developed in the last 20 years that can be found in every household….:I’ll wait
As a LEO, many years ago, my wife and I stood in a checkout line in a grocery store, behind two of the three people I had arrested three days prior on a warrant... out of Seattle...for armed robbery. I always TRIED to treat everyone with professionalism...Courtesy and respect...At least as much as the situation permitted...Gunther and James were professional criminals, it's what they "Did for a living". James had previously shot and seriously wounded a female checker in another grocery store. He told me it was an accident due to the fact that the only gun he could find was a Black Hawk .44 magnum revolver and he didn't know how to handle it...He had wanted to find a "Nice little 32" but no luck.They didn't have much time to shop around because he and Gunther needed money for dope...SOON. They recognized me in my street clothes, smiled at me, nodded, and paid for their purchases and left. Leaving me wondering how the Hell they had made Bail. To this day, I am convinced that one's first defense should be, an adult demeanor, and a smile... and an honest, "Sorry about That" response...If a response is called for, and... an apology, if you...OR... your (POTENTIAL) ADVERSARY, thinks it's due ..A Withheld apology is a lousy thing to get killed for and a lousy thing to kill someone over. It also helps if you have your dominate hand in your pocket, gripping the butt of a light weight, six shot, two-inch revolver. As an FTO I told my many training partners, "Never try to take some one's dignity away from them... NEEDLESLY... it may be the only thing in life they have left and there is a good chance they will fight you for it". I also told them if they wanted to ride with me, they should leave their Ego in their locker.
Yes. People think they have to be the big guy so that they don't get walked over or disrespected. I get that ideology in the thug life. But when you are at wendys with your family and someone bumps into you, you still say you are sorry. Its not being a wuss or being taken advantage of, its avoiding a conflict with someone that means absolutely nothing to you and you will likely never see again in your life. Ego gets people kilt in da streets.
My dad always had a cheesey saying. "You may be right, but you may be dead and right.
"Never try to take some one's dignity away from them... NEEDLESLY... it may be the only thing in life they have left and there is a good chance they will fight you for it" --- Not a LEO myself, but I feel like an awful lot of volatile situations involving law enforcement take a turn for the worse and end up with people killed, because of this exact thing. Outstanding advice.
As a citizen, the whole rambling comment you just made really made me question whether you're the kind of LEO I would want protecting me or whether I'd just rather look out for myself. Are you on dope yourself, or do you just not know how to write in proper English?
This. I tell my trainees that you don't want a long line of enemies running around because you can't do your job professionally. Sometimes a mean attitude is all they'll listen to but most of the time they know you're doing your job.
Maybe they were running for President and couldn't be charged with a crime because that would be election interference.
South Carolina just started allowing anyone 18 and up to carry concealed or open without a permit. I’m 18 and I conceal carry everywhere I’m allowed to do so. No one else needs to know I’m carrying. I live in a dangerous area so I like the peace of mind it gives me.
Just make sure you read up on the laws. Because they lower the age and make it more accessible, the laws are far more harsh for charges Involving a gun, even if you have good intentions.
@@SABbrew I know. The charges are more harsh for people without a permit. That’s why people don’t like the bill because it isn’t real constitutional carry.
Better to be prosecuted than to be dead I always say.
@@SABbrew yes read the laws. Here in Tennessee we have permit-less carry not to be confused with constitutional carry. Tennessee also offers an enhanced carry permit. The laws are different on where you can carry and are based on whether you have a permit or not. I got my permit before the new law came in to effect so it doesn't matter.
@@MordecaiBL1 what's the point in living if you're in prison for the next 45 years?
The first thing my grandfather ever told me when I started being interested in guns is, “The only time anyone should know you are armed, is when they are staring at the smoking hole in their chest” … Lived like that ever since.
Sage advice. My grandfather had very similar thoughts.
I feel like there’s a time and a place to open carry like if I’m going to be driving long hours like a truck driver I would open carry and when I go for a run and don’t have any clothes that I can run in that I can conceal my gun and it does give you a faster draw time and you can carry bigger guns
Another person assuming the attacker just some how knows everyone in the room who has a gun or not.
LOL yes!
@@owen6033 Appendix carry a smaller weapon. Open carry is dumb.
I see folks open carry here in Texas all the time. No big deal. No one freaks out about it anyway in my home town (Terrell).
You're instantly a higher priority target in my personal assessment if you open carry around me.
@@TheWizardboy5so you shouldn't be allowed to own a handgun or concealed carry license.the FBI should check you out bud
Nobody should freak out about it but idk, it does tell me something about the size of your penis if you feel the need to open carry
i live in Terrell TX also, not once have i ever seen anybody open carry. However i have noticed a lot of printing and that’s only because im specifically looking for that. If you don’t mind me asking where in town have you seen open carry ?
@@Digglerdirk79-l4yyou may have misread or misinterpreted his comment.
As a late bloomer to the gun community, I discovered you on the TH-cams (2012). You helped me have a good, level-headed view and respect of guns. You have always given honest and good content and reviews for the rest of us.
Thank you!
You really need someone to help you be " level headed " ?? Its common sense. Logic. My concern is those that have and use guns..... OPENLY point their weapon at people as if the gun is a toy ! The prime example...... Alec Baldwin Never ever point / aim a gun .....at anyone unless you intend on shooting them ! Never ! That means even if its unloaded. Thats how people are shot !
As a 14 year old....hunting pheasants.... my father climbed over a fence.... and I followed. In doing so I pointed ( for a second ) my shotgun at my dad. He dropped me in my tracts ! He said........you NEVER point a gun at anyone ! Get the point ???????
Late bloomer? Thats 12 years ago. I didnt get i to it until 2022
@@zeromech1450 Yes, a very late bloomer. I got into guns/shooting at 47 years of age.
When it comes to people I respect in the firearms community, you Sir are it! :)
It's been said that the best EDC pistol is the one you'll bother to carry. Granted, when I heard this, it was in a conversation about full size 1911s, and whether or not the added weight is worth the barrel length, but I feel it applies here as well. If your handgun is not practical to conceal, and you'd rather go without than conceal it, open carry is still a better option.
As mentioned it depends on where you are and the circumstances.
I open carry every day all day everywhere here in Lake havasu city Arizona, trust me OC is a great deterrent. 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
I used to think that. Whatever makes you feel safer though, you keep doing it.
@@Sparky5 I have yet to talk to anyone OCing that has ever been challenged at a cash machine. I do know a few who had issues CC at these locations. As the world continues to disintegrate, OC will probably be much more necessary.
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I also open carry in Havasu. As you know, it's pretty safe here. Just about everyone I know is canceled carrying . It makes some of the seasonal rvs nervous, but if they had any idea who was camping around them, for example, in the craggy wash area, they would be armed to.
No determined person with a gun has ever been deterred by seeing someone with one. People challenge law enforcement officers everyday. If someone really wants to hurt you, they’ll try anything.
As a wheelchair user sometimes it is easier for me to carry my pistol in a holster on my chest. I have also found it rather difficult to use a IWB or OWB holster when I'm wearing bib overalls, so, when I'm wearing bib overalls. I also carry my pistol on my chest while using my ATV.
I too am in this situation and have much the same views
The element of surprise can be Extremely important in most situations..💯💯 #facts #grayman
You have too few subscribers for the content you present. You deserve million more.
Thanks for sharing your expertise in such an authentic manner.
I don't carry open in public, but I'm ok with others doing it. The reason I don't is because I don't want to risk having to put up with having a conversation about it with a stranger. That was a damn fine sentence.
Should be more worried about being target #1 if someone wants to commit a violent crime
@@TheWizardboy5 While that is a valid concern, it's not one of my concerns. I'm not even concerned enough to bother with carrying. The only time I carry is when I have to go out to the garage after dark.
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should!
@@grayharker6271 i have been saying that about the police for years. Think how many would be alive if they just conceal carried so they were not a target and scaring people.
@@xtreme4stringbass the sheriff Taylor approach?
@@grayharker6271 i was being sarcastic
Because you can carry gun concealed or open carry, doesn’t mean you should
@@charlesoconnor7133it means you should mind your own business that's what it means bud.
People should have the choice. Either way carry wherever you can. I like the idea of open carry day😊
If i see you open carrying at my workplace I'll automatically be more suspicious that you're a danger
@@TheWizardboy5 Why? So if i conceal carry you are ok?
@@markmaugle4599yah so you don't see it
@@TheWizardboy5aww is somebody a felon and can’t legally carry?
Very very outstanding man. Wonderful performance. I like him greatly. Watching for years. No one better. Please keep up the great work. Thanks a million. SC Navy vet. 1965. 🇺🇸😊👩🚒
The anti-gun people think if you carry that you're looking for any excuse to use it. It's the last thing most of us want to do. I hope I never have to pull it.
Typically, people open carry as a form of intimidation. Most CC'ers think it's as cringe as anti-gun people.
Unfortunately there are a lot of guys that think that way.
@@TheDarkLasombra I CC but it doesn't bother me if someone OC, but in a CC state it doesn't make sense. Like you said, probably the intimidation factor.
Don't let it fall on the floor in a Wallmart next to my granddaughter LOADED.😡
@@mikedavis4851 I'll try not to. But it all depends on what pair of underwear I'm wearing from day to day.
I have Concealed Carry pistols for over 40 years. Almost EVERYWHERE… it the right thing for ME… Alabama is an open carry state legally. I don’t think twice if I see open carry though.
Hickof45/John - Got a topic for you. Firearm maintenance and storage. Not specifically on cleaning of a firearm but more on the durations between overalls i.e. springs, etc. This seems to be a topic of much debate. Things like how often to replace recoil springs, etc. Second part of that is best options for long term storage.
Just thought. Love the Talks series.
Just my .02, so take with a grain of salt: if it's my EDC (semi-auto pistol), I change all springs, including recoil spring/guide rod every 5000 rds. Also, get all new magazines every 2000rds or every 2 years, whichever comes first. Once again, just my program, but has worked well for me.
@@gisellesbikeseat That's good feedback. From what I have gathered, everyone is drastically different. A million different opinions. I think it comes down to whatever anyone is comfortable with. Really appreciated your feedback. But a little surprised about 2K magazine spring.
@jflan8536 agreed, everyone will have their opinions on this im sure. My magazine exchange rate is probably overkill, but I have personally experienced several magazine failures with several different pistol brands (all OEM magazines with less than 2000rds through them.) Albeit the mags all spent quite a bit of time loaded and stored in/out of a hot glove box, which isn't optimal. Kel-Tec, Ruger, and even a Glock 43x mag were the ones that had issues. No problems with Sig, Kahr, Canik, Springfield or Smith and Wesson mags though. Again, just my experience.
The key from this video was @2:38: "Depends on where you live." At this typing, yesterday was 118°. I can't wear that extra shirt or even IWB. To carry inside my pants would be to need a new holster every few months due to sweat deterioration, Kydex or not. I live in a 'Blue City' of ¾ million people, have open carried into stores, restaurants, banks, wine sheds (package, not bars), local university to have lunch with my wife (NOT illegal in my state!), heck, even the dog park each morning. Never in 14 years of living here have I had even one person complain, fall out, whine. They may ask me what it is--Kahr CW9--but no drama. Even had a cop ask me that question one time. Didn't want license or ID, just a query. I don't wear shirts with crossed black guns on them and my hat doesn't have "Come n' Take It" splattered all over it. My Bronco doesn't have "Come Meet Jesus" bumper stickers. I don't fiddle with it or walk like John Wayne. No fuss, no problemo.
Yup.
Live in Las Vegas, I open carry and have been for 5 years and never had a problem besides maybe some idiots saying some stupid threat from afar and me ignoring it but not ignoring them. Im polite, and avoid trouble like the plague as I feel someone whos carrying has a duty to be responsible and passive until they cant be. I also live in a very bad neighborhood, and take the bus and still really no major problems. I also use a holster thats minimalist and dont sport punisher skulls. People say open carry means you a target for gettin ambushed, well maybe but I think being situationally aware as well as confident in my shooting ability makes me not really fear that. Also not carrying yourself like a victim.
@@dustydesertdisciple6290 Yup. I don't believe that open carry makes one a target. Being stupid, burying your head in your phone while wearing ear pods makes one a target.
I'm definitely in the concealed camp, but I am 100% down for the national open carry day.
I live in West Texas and got my concealed carry license which is now known as a License to Carry back in 1995. Open carry came then Constitutional Carry. From 1995 -2024, I think I may have open carried only two or three times. I prefer to conceal carry. I'm not carrying a weapon to show it off I'm carrying it to defend myself or someone else whichever the case may be. I really enjoyed the video and subscribed to the channel. Stay Safe and Take Care!
Again, a very nice, civil explanation from our articulate host.
If other people want to open carry in public and they're safe and sensible folks, I've got no problem with it. For me it's a bit vulgar and I'd rather not let my being armed become common knowledge.
Well said! I find open carry most often vulgar, and what a bon mot for this subject!
Having said that, I'd like Florida to make it legal for two reasons:
I don't want to swap my clothes around when I hit the country store on my way to and from camp. But mainly...
I wish the law to be unambiguous, which it is not in Florida. I can open carry on the way to camp, but if I make a single stop, now I'm no longer traveling to fish, hunt, camp or on the way to/from the range. Now the cop gets leeway in deciding if I'm legally carrying. Hard no.
Open carry is legal in my state, yet I reserve it for camping, hunting, or remote areas, with my G40 10mm secured in a chest holster. In urban settings and crowded places, I opt for concealed carry to prevent drawing unnecessary attention or becoming a target without any tactical advantage.
You need a tactics refresher course of you believe open carry has not tactical benefit. Show of force has been an effective part of military doctrine in every culture that has ever fielded an army.
@@JosephAllen-d2e Your argument strays from the main topic and is thus irrelevant. The video discusses a civilian's right to carry a firearm for self-defense, not the circumstances of a soldier deployed in a war zone.
@@JosephAllen-d2eExcept civilians are not military, and the environments in which those two operate are on totally different ends of the spectrum. Just because it has worked for the military does not mean it'll work for the everyday average citizen.
@@JosephAllen-d2e Civilian carry is for self-defense purposes or, very rarely, defense of others. Military tactics are primarily aggressive and for the purpose of actively neutralizing hostiles. You cannot equate the two.
imagine needing a firearm in every day going ons
I won't fault anyone who chooses open carry because that is your right. That said, it is an undeniable fact that you make your weapon seen by all. This includes anyone who has it on their minds to do something bad. I admit an open carry might deter the bad guy who sees it, but if the deterrance doesn't work, the open carry guy is the first target to get shot (or shot at). I'm a concealed carry guy for this reason, because I don't want the bad guy to know I'm armed.
I think open carry acts to seriously deter crime in general, much like how a police officer just being around acts to deter crime. That said, you do tend to make yourself a target depending on how crazy/murderous the criminal is. A dumbass trying to rob a gas station will probably be deterred. An active shooter? Maybe not. That said, I think healing the public perception of open carry is a good thing. If you do decide to open carry, it would probably be smart to dress sharp and carry yourself in a dignified way.
Agree
We need more of this old man wisdom in our lives. Takes experience in life and true observations of people to develop a perspective like this. Appreciate the tone and logic, glad the algorithm brought me over! lol
I would like that day of open carry idea. Spread awareness for everybody.
I believe there are some people that don't want to pay the extortion fee for a permit to have the right to conceal.
There are very few states that allow you to open but force you to be licensed to conceal.
@@deebee4575 That's also true. I'm in NC.
@@deebee4575 Which is ridiculous. But they still require the permit anyway. I mean, what real difference does it make, concealed or open? You're armed either way.
@@silverhammer7779 remember, EVERY gun law is an infringement of the 2A! The government telling you you need a permit to be armed means that it's not a right, it's a privilege that can be taken away, and that's completely unconstitutional!
@@plaguepandemic5651 Preachin' to the choir, dude. The function of modern government seems to be the conversion of all rights into bureaucratically awarded and administered privileges, and screw what George Bush called "a goddamn piece of paper."
The issue with the statistics on open carrying, people will say "you make yourself a target" or you lose the 'element of surprise' there is however an argument to be made about deterrent.
A petty criminal is less likely to mug you, or rob the store you're working in if there is an active deterrent, in this case a firearm on your hip. Issue being with this argument, you cannot actively track deterred crimes, no one is polling people outside of the gas station asking if you didnt rob the place because they were carrying or not etc.
Actually they asked the criminals in Florida prisons in a study. They found that criminals avoid armed victims, and they are more scared of being shot by a civilian than a police officer.
@@bathwatercod5206 every place i inquired about a part time job flat out told me i could not carry my weapon while working for them. They much preferred just handing over the money and letting insurance replace it. It may be different elsewhere, but I'm in Indiana and have to live by their rules. But then, we were not allowed to work in a liquor store or bar. We could not drive a taxi. Several other jobs were off limits also. All were at high onthe list for robberies etc.
@@lesmumford8426Well, I suppose it’s not an either/or situation. I would much rather hand over the companies money than draw a gun if I don’t have to.
@@Dan-x4o3m The company's money is not worth risking your life for. That's why companies have insurance.
@@walkingwolf8072can someone point me towards the study?
I reside in a free state, and no one bats an eyelash with open carry . I do both depending on the situation. Enjoy a wonderful and blessed day! ✨️
I've been in a situation years ago where some scumbag pointed a gun at me (while I was working outside) trying to rob me & my equipment, this was before I owned any firearms but, after that I carry EVERYWHERE I go. You never know when something crazy like that will happen. But as far as carrying goes, always conceal in public imo. Especially if you don't have a holster with a locking mechanism, thieves are getting bold these days. Plus, if a situation happens where someone wants to commit violent acts with a firearm, they'll most likely target the guy who's open carrying first if they see the gun. But then again, those degenerates probably wouldn't even think twice about it and just start hurting people without looking for someone who is carrying and would stop them.
❤ you Hickock ! Ive enjoyed your videos since 2019, and this sit down format is just as nice to listen to as watching you shoot. 💪😊
Answered at 1:10 and that's fine .. I'm in Indiana and " Open Carry " is fairly common to see in my area . People notice and respect it .....
Yup. I love living in a state with open carry, Constitutional carry, & a Castle Law.
@@micahhawkins-bs9gf Amen and as it should be !
There’s no upside to open carry aside from maybe comfort? If you’re goal is self defense sure it turns people away from targeting you but if you fear a mass shooting of some kind open carry puts you as the immediate target
@@noswad8317 Open carry is what it is and people notice it big time be they Police or some punk ass thug ....... It gets respect from all sides ! 💯👍
@@cranerigging3604 It also makes you a primary target to the very people you are defending yourself from.
I open carry in the mountains. Easy access if I need it. Otherwise, I'm concealing. I don't see a benefit to open carry in a store. It draws unnecessary attention.
Yup. Definitely open in the woods. But then again, the shotgun or rifle is a pretty good giveaway to begin with!
I do tend to conceal on public trails. If it's grizzly and moose country, I'm wide open.
@@letsdothis9063 My uncle gave me a model 1897 which may or may not have been cut down many years ago ( hello atf) that is going to become my mountain gun. I live in an area where it's not uncommon to see open carry and I'm good with people doing it, it's just not for me. Things can get wild in the wilderness though.
"Easy access if I need it" is a good argument for open carry in every situation, is it not? Your odds of needing your sidearm in the mountains isn't all that different from your odds of needing your sidearm in Walmart. Something to think about.
@thomabb you're not wrong. Where I live I'm more concerned with a mountain lion jumping me than a person. In public I would have the element of surprise, so to speak. Having you firearm holstered anywhere on you is a hindrance but we can't really walk around holding it all the time.
@@thomabbeasy to take from you in a crowd.
Lots of open carry in southeast Arizona. Not everyone wears the latest in tacticool attire around here which in itself kind of makes you a target. Both men and women open carry in town with no issues and it isn’t to show off. Open carry makes sense and I haven’t heard of any open carry horror stories. If you want to see real open carry, come to Tombstone.
I keep hearing from the tacticool guys about how people who open carry have their guns stripped away daily and shot…by the hundreds and thousands yet when I ask for stats, no one responds including Colton Noir and others of his ilk. I’ve searched the internet and all I’ve found is people expressing OPINIONS, POSSIBILITIES, POTENTIALITIES and PROBABILITIES, but no stats.
Your average criminal walking into a 7-11 is as dumb as a rock and not thinking tactically. He is going to take the path of least resistance and if he sees a gun it’s more likely he will walk away. That’s a fact you can actually look up.
All you guys who have to have a 17rd sidearm with 3 extra magazines and a backup gun, with 2 extra magazines, tactical flashlight, etc making a huge bulge you don’t personally own, not only stick out like sore thumbs, you will never need or use everything you’re carrying on your person. In the unlikely event I have to pull, I want my gun out now instead of fumbling around, getting my gun caught in my shirt and shooting my dick off. To each his own.
Show me the stats.
I agree 100% but also feel compelled to ask you to show me the stats where all these dicks have been shot off because of concealed carry.
I’m in a blue state everyone is in a marijuana induced state of psychosis.
I gotta say, your point about not wearing tacticool attire resonates with me. Me personally, if I were to open carry, I would be dressing up in a nice collared shirt and jeans, with a leather holster, probably with either a nice blued 1911, or a wheel gun. I think public perception is everything if you are going to open carry. Not looking like a tacticool moron or a thug is paramount imo.
Also, I have a feeling why the big guntubers that are backed by lawyers and other suspect forms of capital spout the opinion that open carry is bad, and it ain’t got nothing to do with statistics or their personal opinion on the matter.
Try open carry in Pima county, you'll get harassed!
I love listening! Makes me feel like im having a good conversation with my grandpa! ❤❤
I agree with you brother. Carrying open gives the attacker time to think their plans out better. If they dont really suspect you have one they are less appointed toward you.
So the answer is not to hide the people who can defend themselves. The proper answer to that scenario is to have MORE people who have them and force the criminals into a situation where every other person within range has one then you will see crime reduce
@@ram89572 thats right
It could go either way. 50/50
“Surprise” is the main ingredient in an ambush…….concealed for me
In Michigan currently there are approximately 850k+ concealed carriers which is somewhere around 1 in 10 adults.
That means if you go into a fairly busy Walmart, there may be up to 20 or more guns being carried there.
And everyone is kept guessing as they should be.
Because someone has a permit to carry, doesn’t mean they do carry
And our governoress witch is passing laws left and right to restrict where you can even conceal carry. I've often thought though, how would anyone know you are conceal carrying? I suppose if you save someone's life in a "safe zone", you can then be prosecuted for illegal carry... Such is life in Michigan.
So?
@@francostacy7675this is a good point. All 4 of my parents (bio+step parents) have CPLs but none of them regularly carry. Personally mines on me 99% of the time in public.
The fact that neither side can point to evidence that shows the superiority of one or the other is a strong indicator that it doesn't matter. No one cares about people's speculations. Show us all the people who were killed first because they decided to open carry. Furthermore, show us all the people who died because they decided to carry concealed. You can't because this isn't a real issue. You could compile a data set on all the people who died because they couldn't hit what they were shooting at. Now, that's a real issue.
I agree with you although I've seen a clip of a dude smoked because he got the gun tangled in the shirt in a grapple and couldn't draw it. In turn I've also seen a cop killed with his own gun because he was in a busy place with hands in front and the gun at 5 o clock. So there are potential risks involved in both cases, they're nowhere near the chance of dying due to sleeping less than 7-8h or sleeping poorly (which is true for the majority of the developed world) so in practice you're right - this problem is largely made up.
@@Sk0lzky I agree with that 100%. There are risks either way.
It doesn't mean that it doesn't matter. It means nobody has gathered the data together.
Fully with you on the "keeping it hidden until its needed" thing. 1 you lose the element of surprise and 2 like you said it absolutely makes you more of a target if someone means to do harm. Plus while I don't really care what people think of me I do also realize that some may be off put by a gun and I'd rather people be at ease.
Most of the time if you OC legally somebody will call police saying someone is carrying a gun and then you have to deal with them wanting to check you out
No. Just stop making things up.
Not true at all
There are a lot of things to consider when OC, but the old argument that OC are going to be targeted are ignoring the fact that people who AREN'T open carrying are targeted probably 99% more often.
Ask someone who has open carried for a decade or more instead of someone who hasn't.
You are right, there are strong opinions on the subject, and most are held by people with no experience as a civilian open carrying.
Good point.
This is only anecdotal and not evidence of anything. I like how you say "probably." LOL
I know people that were attacked whether open or conceal carry. I know a guy that was doing security for the old food world in Irondale, Al and a guy snatched his 6" DA .357 mag and shot him and a clerk with it. That's just one example and there was a news story several months ago where a guy in a convenience store had his snatched by the guy in line behind him. Police and guard friend of mine told me stories of guards targeted and shot dead because they were armed and therefore removed before the intended crimes took place. I also know a couple of concealed carry guys that were targeted due to their positions, but they were employees of the establishments being robbed. My brother was robbed twice and once there were two perps, but only one armed and the idiots took the entire workforce into the backroom planning on forcing them into a confined space, but failed to search any of them...dumb criminals for sure and needles to say they didn't get away with it, but like I've said before... getting the drop still doesn't mean we'll survive as it depends on the situation, the perp, the mind altering substances said perp is on. I know people whom had plenty of time to return fire before expiration that were not on any substances. An exception is a guy on cocaine who took a 12 ga. load of 00 to the face point blank...he expired instantly as his brains were scattered about...half his ear was actually on top of the AC window unit, but regardless of the arm used most sd shootings are not brain shots. I prefer to conceal, but I don't get in anyone else's business that chooses open carry and in fact in areas where patriotic freedom loving Americans are the armed majority if everyone open carried it would probably deter crime.
I would rather not reveal my strength, If attacked I would prefer the perp to take me lightly.
Nothing like having your gun inside your waistband with a shirt over it so if you need it you got to screw around moving your shirt and coat. I open carry and couldn’t give a damn if anyone likes it or not.
I do the same, but I don't give a damn how someone else carries. I just ask that people who do conceal to keep it concealed, stop showing me your gun.
Agreed.
I have so much respect for this man. I wish I could shake his hand someday. He says it like it is and he is very gentle natured. He has a lot of wisdom to share and it would be good for us to consider it. As I watched the video I had a realization. It’s not so much really about open or concealed carry. It’s the direction our country went as we became more comfortable and began leaning more and more on police for protection. The generations have passed into new culture. It has become odd to see open carry. The difference is, if a bad guy goes into a store wanting to do bad things in the Wild West, nearly every person had a pistol on their belt. They knew it would be unwise to try and catch 20 people off guard. They knew they would not make it. Self preservation is the strongest human drive. Nowadays, if a bad guy goes into a store to do bad things, he may see one person open carry and yes, that person becomes the first target. There will be a short amount of time that includes risk, but when we return to the culture of nearly everyone open carrying, it will do more to stop violent crime. For now, until that happens, it is wise to keep it concealed. The goal though, is to make very swift changes to our culture with a massive movement, so that all the bad guys know we are armed. It’s the only way. Which store will he go into? The one with a sign saying no one here is armed, or everyone on premises is armed to the teeth?
I carry both ways, and act the same (a sensible law abiding citizen) regardless of open or concealed.
I live in Texas. I’m with you. I don’t like to be conspicuous. About anything.
Keep 'em guessing
Right. The state where “everything is bigger” doesn’t like to be conspicuous 😂😂😂
I open carry everywhere. Not sure if it was because I was open carrying or not, but a homeless woman tried to jump me the other month. She had a box cutter and was coming at me. It was the first time I’ve ever had to pull my firearm on anyone.
At first I thought she was just crazy, but maybe she wanted my firearm. Luckily, she backed down after I pointed the barrel at her.
I also learned that my dog won’t protect me at all hahaha
A wise old man once advised his son, that:
" The Only REAL Personal Security ,,,,,
"Is ANONYMITY"
I believe he was correct.
Well said and appreciated...H45 should be a member of any future cabinets dedicated to education of the public.
As a fat person it's all about comfort to me, there isn't a whole lot of holsters out there particularly for me. I do have this waist band that I am able to conceal comfortably, however during the summer time I tend to wear light clothing as much as possible to not sweat and I do print, so there isn't any point for me to conceal it, until I find the right IWB that fits me perfectly. But now it's getting colder I can go back to my normal baggy clothing and I don't print when concealing with my waste band.
I understand the risks of open carry, isn't smart. But I rather armed, instead of unarmed period.
If I'm in a restaurant and someone has a handgun in a holster, I am not bothered. If they come in carrying a rifle or shotgun, I'm leaving immediately. I'm not waiting to see if they are good or bad.
yep, I'm all for the the right to open care. like you said a side arm. not a problem. a rifle I'm going on full alert. no reason to be packing a rifle around for just defense. out and about.
Still our right too, such a bad stigmatism towards our second amendment rights.
@@brucehayes3573 Yes its not practical but maybe but also no one would carry rifle for self defense around town most likely scenario woudl be they were at shooting range or hunting and are open carry becasue of that, yes normally in such scenario if u were shooting long guns and decide to get dinner right after you would have that rifle unloaded and locked in a case, but its their right to carry it openly on their shoulder if they want to as long as he didnt bust out the door holding the thing in his arms I dont see a cause for alarm ''oh but he might pretend to come to eat but then he starts pointing out the rifle at people and shout its robbery '' true but then same could be said about that guy with a pistol who is sitting at a table I see no difference here
@@Nexesys it's a perfectly logical stigma, there's no reason to go walking around in public toting a long arm. We have a right to free speech too but there's rightfully a lot of stuff you can say that people will get upset at.
@@KrikZ32 not my problem
Concealed is for me. 🇺🇸
Conceal it, the element of surprise is always best.
@@GeorgeGreene-k3z Unless you can prevent it by open carrying...
If only concealed carry was legal everywhere.
@@WorkingOnRocksit is if you don’t get caught 😂
@@scotscottscottt You mean become the primary target?
Ive always felt like open carry crowd and the people who carry because they think they'll be a hero rather than for actual defense have a significant overlap. The kind of person who almost wants something to happen so they can prove themselves in some manner.
Most people ive met who opened carried weren't as pleasant to interact with as concealed carriers, because the kind of person whos brazen with their gun is usually brazen in other areas too. And then they kind of perpetuate the notion to non-gun owners that gun owners are standoffish. Kind of like the lifted truck pavement princess crowd.
Completely untrue. See here we go judging people and making someone seem what they're actually not.
@@shawngosciminski9300 I'm only speaking my subjective thoughts based on encounters with people I've met so far in life, so im not sure what constitutes as untrue in this scenario. There's a reason I said significant overlap instead of saying they are always the same crowd. It's impossible to meet every person who opens carries, so I can only speak to what I have seen.
It's your right to open carry, but if you can't see how that mentality of showing off your gun attracts a certain crowd that's less pleasant to interact with, I dont really know what to tell ya. All I can say is I certainly dont seem to be alone in the sentiment, from the looks of it, so if you do open carry, maybe its worth considering how your peers impact the perception others may end up having about you.
@@shawngosciminski9300 You're just really upset that everyone is pointing out their own experience with open carry folk like yourself. Because it's hitting home, or there aren't enough people on your side here. But it's alright man, you don't have to say the same thing over and over again. It's the internet, it's an echochamber, just enjoy the content and stay calm
@chrisp2642 believe me son I am not upset.. bro I have more important things in life to be upset about. Lol but you have a good day sir.. lol😘
@airthrowDBT You make a good point. In outdoors environments, i actually prefer open carry because those are more likely to be the friendly hunter types who are likely gonna be well prepped for outdoors in general. I dont get out to hike much, but i would also probably open carry on a trail just because it makes more logical sense, especially when you got all your other gear/layers on you. The outdoorsy crowd is less likely to be unsettled by an openly carried gun anyways, especially in areas with dangerous wildlife. Also, a gun is much less of a statement after all the other hiking equipment factors in, so it doesnt attract the crowd that makes their gun their whole identity.
Im 100% pro open carry. You can do it tastefully and logically. Youd also be surprised at how many people arent situationally aware enough to notice a gun on someones hip. If you act the way you would when you conceal carry you wont be a target. It also starts with YOU being aware of your surroundings and using the right gear. Nobodybshould be against open carry, the fudds are our 2nd biggest threat as gun owners and a lot of these comments prove it.
I just got my first firearm for concealed carry in July. I’m from CT and I couldn’t believe how many people were in the gun store! You’re right that there are so many more people carrying than the public knows.
Open carry is alive and well in Arizona.
Saw a man with no helmet and an AR15 on his back riding a motorcycle my first day in Prescott. Pure Arizona
@@billwright9256 damn right. Those who don’t like it will need a reality check of our culture too
im born and raised in the valley and i honestly can count the number of times ive seen someone open carrying in town on my hands... not sure where the fuck you hang out lmao
arizona is great like that.
@@357Mokkorithat’s not culture that’s just stupid to carry an ar
Depends on the situation. Going to the store, concealed. Walking my dog around the neighborhood, open. Open carry can also be a deterrent.
When I worked for a law enforcement agency as part of the training the instructor had each of us stand at one end of a twenty foot room with a dummy handgun in a fastened holster and he stood at the other end of the room with a rubber knife. The objective was for us to get the gun out and point it at the instructor before he could get to us with the knife. None of us passed the test and we all knew when he was coming and from what direction. In the real world you won't know when the attack will come or from what direction The object of that lesson was "Don't think that having a gun on you makes you safe."
So true and not to mention all the Bullsh!t that may result from you shooting someone, not to mention killing someone. Hope y'all gots lots of money for the lawyers fees.
@@ronie1337unless you are in idaho in which case feel free to air out the mf threat to you or anyone around you. You wont need a lawyer and will sleep in your own bed that night.
@@ronie1337In other words your opinion is simply, don't bother to defend yourself because you're screwed either way. Just be defenseless like all the Europeans and leftists want
Back in 2004 immediatly after taking my CCW class I only had a single firearm and it was a .454 Casull with an 8 3/4" barrel. When I got paid the next Friday I bought a XD-40, but in the few days before I open carried my .454 since open carry was legal. I put my shirt ove the handle, but it was extremely obvious. I had lots of looks but that was it. Went to the grocery store and the mall. One guy at the gamestop said it was cool.
On another note, while sitting at a big family get together at Pizza Ranch with about 30 family members one of us said something about who carried regularly and we realized that 8 of us were armed at the time in our group. So when you are at a restaurant with a hundred people you can bet that at least a handful are going to be armed.
When I have opened carried I am always super paranoid about my proximity to others. Retention holsters are a must if it is on the belt.
There are a lot more good people than bad people. That is why an armed society is a good thing. The people that worry about it are probably people that think they aren't good and project that on to others.
I agree with your stance, Hickok. The idea of preventing outcry from folks disagreeing with the act of open carry and the aspect of less interactions about your weapon has got to be the best outcome. The number of interactions I would have had, positive or negative, outweighs the benefits of carrying openly.
Open carry would do a lot to encourage others to carry, that’s a great point. People don’t think about it.
I agree we need people to get used to it
Not to mention the effects on juries who are desensitized to normal, good people carrying guns.
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maybe we can turn real life into more of a fortnight battle? that'd be awesome.
Good guys with guns are underappreciated and over-hated.
I only open carry when my wife and I get pedicures. You never can tell about nail salon clientele...kidding. Actually, open carry at the nail salon is a social thing, as the owner is a long time gun enthusiast and my good friend. Other than that, I don't care and have no judgement on open or concealed carriers. More power to both of them.
My philosophy, and carry as well as most things in life. I leave other people alone if they leave me alone. I don't get the hatred that CCers have for OCers, it is just downright ignorant.
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Tho you ment kiddingly, there was a triple murder at a nail saloon / hairdresser in Florence Montana about 10 yrs ago. Some guy in a black slicker walked in, shot a couple customers and the owner and went out the back. Don't think he took any money. They're Still looking for him. If just One of those women was carrying... ☆
I conceal in Missouri but it’s open. The people that do open draw a lot of attention to them. I agree. Don’t become a target. Also brandishing is not good. Just like we all have been taught never point a gun at anything you don’t want to shoot. You’re a level headed guy. I appreciate your candor. Thank you for all the level headed videos and reviews.
I appreciate this conversation as a 60 year old Tennessean and a life member of the NRA who was carrying since I was a teen that didn't even know there may be a law against it. Also, 30 years of Army and National guard service. I seldom carry anymore. I always appreciate when I see someone else carrying and sometime I feel a concealed weapon when hugging family. I appreciate anybody who does carry as they are the people who are willing to protect them selves and other people around them. I have noticed that some people have appeared a bit uncomfortable when they saw me carrying openly and that did bother me. I never wanted to make anybody uncomfortable. I will often thank people for carrying if I find myself in conversation with a person exorcising the rite. There has always been something honest about open carry but I appreciate concealed carry to. I completely understand the "pros" of concealed carry. It is safer for anyone to conceal. I would be happy if it was common to consider everyone as armed.
I open carry as a diversionary tactic to my concealed carry.
This is the way.
Behold! I have another!😂
No you don't, you're still the first target. Funny though.
@@jakester455 another reet assuming the attacker sees everyone whose armed before attacking
My open carry is unloaded. Yeah its a trap.
Nobody thinks twice when they see an armed cop. We NEED to normalize civilian carry like that too. Also if you're going to open carry then be POLITE. You're taking on a role as 2A ambassador while you're open carrying.
This is 100% correct, and the only correct answer. Anyone who hates on open carry is ignorant and irrational.
Hmm. This is actually a rational well thought out answer...
I like that part about being a “2A ambassador”, I wish more people looked at it that way. Probably we’d have less issues and actually be closer to normalizing ownership.
Don't drop a loaded 9mm in Walmart close to my 5yr old Granddaughter.😡😡😡 I'm against open carry.😡
@PTANV-x2g Look in a Mirror if someone dropped a loaded 9mm on the Floor in Walmart and it killed your kid or grandkid who the hell is ignorant then .😡
@@mikedavis4851 Someone being in a position to drop a loaded gun in a Walmart has nothing to do with open versus concealed carry.
As a retired LEO, tactical advantage has always been absolutely essential. I never let anyone know I’m armed. Don’t have LEO vehicle tags, stickers or wear typical Cop clothing. Always aware of my surroundings.
Your element of surprise doesn’t work when you are the one being attacked for giving the impression that you are an easy target.
@@Doncan0823yeah I doubt that a dangerous person doesn’t need to flex how dangerous he is😂 settle down tough guy
So as an LEO I would presume you open carried on the job. Was your weapon taken from you on a daily basis or was it less frequent?
@@ThePolareyes53 Two completely different scenarios.
ME too ! I just don't get it. Sure, be proud of what you do.............but think about the target you are putting on your family and yourself.
Totally agree with you. Unless you are a police officer, a cape makes you a hero, open carry makes you a target. For all those that carry, how many carry cuffs or some method to secure your antagonist once they’re down? Guess you just shoot till they stop moving? That’s murder. Be practical and tactical out there!
I open carry, locking holster that won’t come off my belt, I can draw quickly, but no one can get it off of me, my friend is an officer, we did some scenarios in which he tried to disarm me and couldn’t. I am often alone at night, in remote areas, I have been approached in a menacing way and had the person say “Oh, you have a gun”, turn and walk away. We had a situation with being harassed by a lose dog on a regular basis, after it attacked one of our dogs, we reported it to animal control, nothing changed, one day the owner saw their dog accosting us, said “Oh sh*@ she has a ‘f’ing gun’, they addressed their dog running loose, 3 years later, still no problems. It is clearly a deterrent. I can draw quicker than when concealed, I’ve drawn in self protection twice, there’s no comparison to the time it takes. Under duress my fine motor skills aren’t as sharp, getting past clothing takes a tad longer, getting the best grip, unlocking safety…all takes just a tad longer. That’s too long for me. On my hip I can draw the second I recognize the threat, I have had to do this, it confirmed to me how quickly I can draw and deter an assailant charging at me clinched fists, he did not know I had a gun until he was staring down the barrel. It’s also a great discussion starter, for me always in a positive way, often when we part ways they say to me or to the person they are with some form of “I guess nobody will “F” with her.” I only conceal when there’s no other reasonable option, one of those places was church where a guy cornered me in an area where others weren’t around, getting to my weapon I was so slow he was able to push me before I could get control of my weapon, someone else walked in right at that moment and dealt with him. I firmly believe open carry saved my life (the police investigating agreed).
You’re probably better off open carrying. But it doesn’t have to be slower. Many people who train are just as fast concealed.
That was a wonderful book.
@@curtislong1987 it would've been better with paragraphs.
@@godlikemachine645 absolutely 👍
To me a lot of open carry folks seem to be braggadocio’s. Kinda in your face folks. It’s not for me.
Nobody wants to walk into a convenience store and be eyeballed by some guy with a sidearm.
Yea, where I live some guys will come in to Wal-Mart to buy a box of ammo or whatever, and not only open carry but talk LOUDLY the entire time, usually about something stupid, that NOONE cares about.. desperate for attention, like so many people in today's world 😢
@@michaelcleghorn1396 lol let them talk. Why discourage a method of carry when we should encourage it nationwide
@@357MokkoriBecause the dude in cargo shorts and tactical airsoft drop leg holster at the Home Depot isn’t a great ambassador for the cause.
@@Matt-xc6sp lol that setup does sound tacky, but not many are blessed with a sturdy paycheck 😂
Rule # 7. Always carry. Rule #8. Never tell
Rule #9 always carry a knife.
I’ve opened carried for about 5 years now. I have some main reasons for open carrying
1.I live in NC and refuse to pay for permission to carry my firearm concealed with the mandatory classes and permit costs.
2.Its always gonna be faster to draw from a solid OWB Holster than conceal
3.Id rather me be targeted first instead of some innocent person that isn’t able to potentially defend themselves
4.Ive got weight on me so it’s much more comfortable to carry open.
5.It could potentially be a crime deterrent. Someone may be considering robbing a store and see someone armed in line and decide to not worry about it. I’d rather potentially de-escalate before it ever comes to any potential fatality.
NOW I will say, if you open carry BUY A LOCKING HOLSTER AND ALWAYS ALWAYS BE AWARE OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS. don’t ever let anyone position themselves behind or beside you were they can grab your firearm. And a lock on your gun could save your life.
I’ve personally never been scrutinized by anyone for carrying open. there’s places I won’t/can’t in NC Like a public park or mall for example. Then I’d be more willing to potentially carry concealed without permission but I’ve personally never been in that situation yet.
If I could conceal carry over open carry I would, but I’m not paying the several hundred dollars for classes (that I know I’d pass already ) and for permits.
Nice to see more people in the comments who are more open to the idea of open carry. It used to be such a negatively viewed thing. Glad more people are realizing it’s not that bad.
Just thinking, i think a police officer in any place would make someone second guess a crime, and they're obviously open carrying. I operate on a similar basis
if everyone open carried, 'being the first target' would be a non-issue
it's only when you're the only one open carrying that it can become a problem worth worrying about.
Agree.
The obvious problem is you don’t know how sane that person with a gun is or his level of training or their skill level. Being purposely or accidentally shot carries the exact same ramifications.
@@Jcs57What is your point exactly here? Open or concealed has no bearing on what you've commented. The fact is if a large number of people open carried we could remove the insane leftist voices who know nothing about guns because society would become used to seeing them in everyday situations
The problem is if something happens and someone else thinks you’re the bad guy shooter. Then you become the target of a concealed carry.
Few pay attention to their surroundings and most will never even notice what you have or don't have
Not accurate at all. Everyone notices.
everyone sees the gun on your hip
We are a society of ALL females. Stupidity reigns throughout today's society
A firearm openly hanging from your hip, or wherever you carry it, is like a rotating beacon on a tow truck. It literally says "look at me "
@@AlanRoehrich9651
Kicked out of store/restaurant.....Cops called. Now a new sign that says "no weapons" is posted on the door for all of us next time. You sure showed them!
Concealed for me. I like the element of suprise. No sense broadcasting you have a weapon strapped to you!
That's dumb logic bud
@@Digglerdirk79-l4y
Logic that will keep me alive!! I don't need to flash iron to show the world what a bad*ss I am!
I live in Prescott and do both. If I’m out in the woods I open carry and if I need to stop at a convenience store or grocery store I’m open carrying. Glad I have the freedom to do both.
Sometimes, open carry will act as a deterrent and make someone think twice about doing something stupid especially if they aren’t interested in offing someone. It could actually help you avoid negative situations. On the contrary, concealed carrying holds you to a higher standard in a defensive situation in court. Because you are trained and "know better," I heard this from cops.
As a Brit living in Australia who holidays in the US, open carry is Cool AF and keep 2A and your freedoms alive
Americans are not as whimpy as all you Limmies. We will NEVER surrender our weapons to the gov'ment, like you did!
Wish there were more freedom loving Brits and Australians like yourself!
As an Australian living in Australia I’m glad that I live where there is no need to be so frightened about crime that I’d need to carry a weapon.
I enjoy the freedom to walk around without worrying about some fruitcake with a firearm going feral, or being wounded by someone taking a pot shot at whoever they think is a bad guy and missing.
I like firearms and learned to shoot at an early age, but really don’t want them all over the place uncontrolled.
PS: before a bunch of Americans jump on this saying that you can’t get weapons in Australia, you are wrong. It is possible to get them, but you need to justify why. Being frightened is not considered a good reason.
@@markedwards4879 WTF is wrong with Australians. There is no other nationality I’ve ever seen that is so proud to have such restrictions on your liberty. Even most Europeans in restrictive countries don’t have the same elation about gun control as Australians.
@@markedwards4879 dont worry dude, the rest of the developed world stands with you. No need for guns, we all know it - except Americans who already shit the bed so hard in respect to giving everyone the right to bear arms, which is a double edged sword, as of decades ago; they literally cant fix what theyve done because they opened the flood gates.
I’m starting to wonder if the anti open carry thing is intentional by those who want only the police to have and open carry guns. None of the anti open carry arguments hold up when considering it relative to tens of thousands of law enforcement officers doing it every day.
It’s absolutely intentional. Get people riled up enough and the state will take away your rights and say it’s the people’s will. We should be smarter than divide and conquer, but that’s what defines us today. Frustrating.
Retired cop, Alabama. Open carry everywhere. What I have found is that 90% of people are totally unaware, self-absorbed and never even notice the other 10% I have already noticed. But I also carry a concealed backup at all times just like I did when I was working to eliminate the "cons". But that's just me.
You carry two pistols on you at all times? One open and one concealed you’re saying? That’s crazy
@@Teedster Well presumably he's got two hands so..
I don't question you one bit. You have much more awareness due to your career.
You have a right to your view. I am conceal carry and feel better for it. Hope to never have to use it, for sure.
colts... do it!! Don't you think you'd enjoy it... knowing you have open access we both know you're faster!!! open carry for the win, ccw permit and dont bother hiding it. Agreed, community needs to come together and know that tough conversations dont mean people want to fight about it. Some just have more to say than others, thanks for the vids hickock, just realized you have a second channel
Concealed or open, personal choice. The point is you're carrying and good on you.
Up here in the hills of WV we open carry shotguns😅. Love the new talks channel
If I'm in snake country, I'd rather be openly carrying a shotgun than a holstered handgun. Always bring the best tools for the job(s) at hand.