learned alot about what i wasn't satisfied with in shenhe's guide yun jin's guide is a lot more concise and easy to understand, i hope you guys enjoy (: edit: 17:39 uhhh pretend that says "vape tartag" (: (MY FAULT NOT EDITORS LOL)
My team rn is Yoimiya with shinenewa and rust Bennet with prototype and noblesse Sucrose ttds and vv set with 600 em Xinqui with sac sword and emblem Where do I put yunjin and is she even worth it
In both this and shenhe's guide you said that Noblesse Oblige gives 12% atk kek I'm guessing you confused it with the 12 second duration Not a huge problem for dedicated genshin players,might confuse a new player on the moment tho since on screen or says 20% but they hear 12% Thanks for all the info as usual tho,Shenhe and Yunjin sound much more interesting when explained
But it's nice knowing that, when you finally get your own ass up to finally build these characters, you'll have an easy to learn, comprehensive guide from the Chad, Xlice himself. I my self have pre farmed Zhong Li's ascension and talent to lvl90, 6/9/9, and the Arty's. All I have to is wait for his updated guide on Zhong Li's weapon.
@@AGUSTIN-zc5iu Staff of Homa is his bis due to its main stat and passive but 4 stars, like Favonius Lance, Blackcliff, Deathmatch as well as the 3 star Black Tassel work fine on him as well
@@maraisfan4life517 I've watched his previous Zhong Li guide video. But I'm still going to wait until his updated guide drops. Thanks for reminding me though.😁 If all else, I'll just go either favo Lance, or deathmatch
Yunjin: Literally has the best auto attacks in the game. Also Yunjin: Auto attacks are completely useless and is basically impossible to build for an auto attack playstyle.
They aren't completely useless. She's one of the better lumberjacks in the game, surprisingly. Works well as a driver for Beidou and Xingqiu, too. Also not impossible to build for autos, she'll just go from being the strongest support in the game (even better than Bennett if both are built optimally and used with characters built optimally to use their buffs, yes even on (most) characters that normally don't use normals or don't get most of their damage from normals) to being an above-average physical DPS with Gorou as a support. Game plan is basically this. Unless you know you're facing crowds of enemies and your deathmatch is at high refinements, don't use Deathmatch because the DEF bonus isn't much to write home about or consistent, and the crit rate is very good multiplier-wise but not as good as White Tassel (or Crescent Pike for that matter, but White Tassel is the BIS here (and super aesthetic)). If you have any kind of geo battery, even a mediocre one (and you do because you'll be running her with Gorou, it's basically mandatory) and she's on-field all the time (which she will be except when you go through your support rotation) she only needs about 140% ER, which she can actually surpass with just 1 ER substat per artifact plus her own character ER substat. Nice! Drop any other ER investment you would normally have (obviously most of that would normally come from a weapon, and you already dropped whatever ER weapon you were using for White Tassel at this point, so we're good there; if you get some extra ER substat rolls because of bad RNG, no worries, it's insurance, as long as you focus on other stats). Building her is the hardest part, because normally she's one of the easiest characters to build since she only wants 3 artifact stats (DEF%, DEF and ER%) but now she wants 4 (DEF%, DEF, Crit Rate and Crit DMG), plus you're going to be running her with a physical dmg bonus goblet. DEF/Phys/CD is the main stat spread to aim for (because she probably has a CR weapon, either Dragonspine Spear, White Tassel or, if you accidentally foddered all of the latter and can't get the former, Deathmatch; For what it's worth PJWS, Dragon's Bane (if you have a source of recurring off-field pyro or hydro damage on your team, eg Kokomi) and the Crescent Pike though it's categorically outclassed by Dragonspine due to having about half the physical bonus, since all are multiplier stat sticks, and Dragonspine is even almost on-par with White Tassel). Basically you build her like you would Itto, except there's no Redhorn Thresher polearm, so you go for pure multipliers instead, and she's primarily a physical damage dealer, so you go physical instead of geo. As for sets, 2pc/2pc husk/pale flame, husk/bloodstained or pale flame/bloodstained is your best bet; I would go for one of the husk mixed sets to offset the two DEF main stats you dropped and the substats you're rolling into crit stats. On half of your rotations Gorou will provide 25% extra DEF, and on all rotations he will provide 438 extra DEF (assuming he's crowned-E and C3 or higher). Yun cannot normally benefit from these buffs since they're only for on-field characters, so this helps offset her lost DEF. We're also aiming for 60% for shred (roughly a 1.3888x bonus in most cases; this would come from Rosaria + Fischl or another electro, or be dropped to 40% or 1.2777x with a non-Rosaria Cryo (presumably Diona for heals), though Rosaria is very high-value to physical Yun drivers including Yun herself and you want off-field sub DPSs to make sure you keep your crystal shields up even if you get hit, since you have no Zhongli; Alternately Zhongli alone will provide about a 1.1666x bonus in the form of 20 resistance shred if you run him alongside an off-field healer + elemental applicator like Kokomi or Diona, and you'll gain a mostly-superfluous geo bonus from Gorou, but you'll lose one level of Yun's passive in exchange; I'm assuming the rosaria + fischl comp and 60% shred though). For substats, we'll start by looking at crit ratio. 5% base CR, 15% CR from Rosaria, 23.4% CR from White Tassel, 50% base CD, 62.2% CD from her circlet (bringing her to a running total of 43.4:112.2 crit ratio), and, assuming she has 3 crit stats per artifact (and 2 DEF%s on her non-sands artifacts), with the average CR sub being 3.305% and the average CD sub being 6.61%, and shooting for a 1:2 ratio, that brings her to about 73.1:151.8 (9 CR substats and 6 CD substats), not far off the optimal 80:160 you shoot for with a 5* crit weapon. Assuming we aim for a lot of these on her sands (since it can't roll DEF%), only get, say, 2 levels of flat DEF total (about 38 DEF), and that we otherwise get an average of 2.5 levels of DEF% each (at an average of 6.195% per level) on the remaining 4 artifacts (2 levels on 2 and 3 on the other 2), for an overall-achievable (albeit pretty high-end) build RNG-wise, that nets us 61.95% DEF from substats. To add up her DEF, it's 61.95 substats + 46.6 sands + 30 husk + 20 Yun C4 + 12.5 gorou + 38 flat substats + 438 flat gorou = 171.05% and 476 flat DEF on her 734 base, bringing her to 2,465 DEF (which is not IDEAL, about 5/6 what she would normally be running as a support, but the tradeoff is her E can crit; anyway, the way you normally run Yun is monstrously strong compared to anything except 4-character synergy team comps like Nationals variants and Blizzard Strayer Ayaka freeze comps, and at 5/6 power she'll still hit at least as hard as a regular driver will on a regular Bennett + main DPS of choice comp as long as her multiplier is up to snuff; She's able to hit this number, of course, only losing about 500 DEF instead of 1100, thanks to Gorou). With 90/90 Yun and a normal support build (that I would personally consider adequate), you're looking at about 3k DEF and a buff being applied to a character who will multiply that buff by about 8-10x per hit, and we already know we're looking at only about 2.5k DEF, so let's get to this hypothetical Yun's multipliers. With 90/90 C4+ Yun, the set described above (husk+PF), White Tassel and with Gorou support, you're looking at 25 pale flame + 58.3 goblet + 48 white tassel + 15 geo resonance + 15 Yun C2 = 161.3% or a 2.613x multiplier for dmg bonus, 60% shred or a 1.3888x bonus (on 10% resistance enemies), 73.1:151.8 crit ratio or a 2.109658x average multiplier from crits, and 2465 DEF providing 1869 extra pre-multiplier damage to every hit. Her net multiplier is 2.613*2.109658*1.3888=7.6558x, not above the 8x threshold for what I would consider the second tier of Yun drivers, but still within the third tier that most characters fall into, and really not far off from that second tier. (Physical drivers in general have an easier time hitting the second tier, and so do polearms, so that works massively to her advantage; However, she still needs at least partial DEF investment here, which her drivers ordinarily don't, which prevents her from hitting a crit ratio like 85:170 that would easily put her into the second tier.) Her attacks may not be the fastest, but they are still _fairly_ fast and have good reach, traits of good Yun drivers as well. It's mainly that missing DEF from full Husk and goblet/circlet that she's missing (even with the Gorou offset) that hurts her effectiveness here, but given how many people build her very suboptimally (eg ER DEF CR Favonius Lance, dropping about 700 DEF so that the most important character on your team can battery less important characters) and also how poorly they build her drivers, there's a good chance you'll end up dealing more damage with this build than you would with "recommended" builds and comps for her. In all you're looking at (completely ignoring her base normal attack damage, which is only about 2000 per attack at level 8 IIRC) 1869 *7.6558=14,308 _average_ minimum damage on each hit of her normals (the real minimum will be lower, about 6782, but that's for a non-crit; The minimum for crits, on the other hand, will be 17078, which will happen 73% of the time, of course), with about 21.33 average frames per attack (a lot slower than Zhongli or C1 Fischl, but a little bit faster than Yoimiya, for a relative idea of her real attack speed, however fast or slow the animations make each "feel," though I'm pretty sure Zhongli and C1 Fischl feel like machineguns to everyone). Another advantage of this comp, incidentally, is that Rosaria and Fischl can easily stack very high multipliers (Rosaria higher than Fischl I believe) and are both physical attackers benefitting from their own superconduct/Rosaria's C6, and Fischl in particular does attack extremely fast (she's practically unparalleled for single-target hits-per-second except by a frame-perfect Ningguang, who is half a frame faster iirc thanks to her attack cancels and doubled attacks, though one frame off on each input and Ning, who can't buffer her normal attacks and therefore has extreme difficulty actually benefiting from her incredibly high hitrate, drops to the same speed as Fischl, and each successive frame of error makes her slower). Know it's a long read but hopefully it got the point across that you CAN make her normals work (surprisingly) well. TL;DR is they can end up dealing about 14k damage per hit. It falls under the same "you can build ANY character for main DPS" and "just because you can doesn't mean you should" rules as always, of course, but mainly because she's such a good support that it's a waste to build her this way and get less than 5/6 the damage out of her that you normally would by splitting the multiplier and DEF investment across two characters (and using faster attackers like Zhongli, who can hit for over 20k per hit with a regular support Yun AND do it in about 13.5 frames per hit). Certainly, it should be Abyss-viable and potentially even f2p-viable (it has two C4s and one C6, and potentially a C1 if you want to use Fischl as a secondary driver, but they are all 4*).
@@Aphidae I don't really have great artifacts for it and my Gorou is C0 and unleveled so I didn't even bother with him, nor did I use superconduct, but I tried it yesterday with just some spare pale flames I had lying around plus some pieces of her normal support set and I was hitting 6-7k per attack (and had 2k DEF). Not terrible.
Not really forcing her ascension 4, more like it so happened to happen. But I am currently running Yoimiya, Beidou, Yunjin. and Kokomi and as a support for Yoimiya, she is really good. The team is very fluid in the rotations and everyone gets their burst back up with ease. Really loving her as a character
Out of personal experience, I really liked running xingqiu instead of kokomi with the other three characters. Ups your damage by a looooot. Only downside is you'll have to dodge really well and rely on xq for heals
I love running Yun with Beidou since they have similar kits and synergies but key into different advantages and different situations. Also nice being able to counter multiple attacks in a row.
I’m a Yun Jin main that’s been waiting for her to come out for the longest time. I don’t have anyone really built to maximize her Q but she sure is fun to play. Ty mr xlice for another guide ! peepoClap
@Mohammad Mohd I can play however i like to btw, and I like using her for domain runs with others and over world. My Elemental skill can hit over 30 k with def goblet :) edit: we just had different "definitions" of maining a unit in Genshin. I have her triple crowned and like to use her every time I play and experiment different things. She's not a main carry for obvious reasons, but that doesn't mean i can't main her.
@@lockdowntrunks you live the dream bro. Besides if you main a support like this you're going to enable a whole ton of people and have a good time experimenting
I am having great results with Yun Jin for my Noelle Geo mono team. Patch 2.3 with Stonethresher, Husk of Opulent Dreams, Gorou and Yun Jin turned her into a hyper carry for me tickling the 90k normal attacks. I hope to get her past the 100k regular with better artifacts. Love your guides and that you let everybody know how viable Yun Jin is.
Husk of Opulent Dreams: Timepiece Def % Goblet Geo Crit Rate Circlet. Normals and Burst Crowned Redhorn R5 level 90 Crit Rate 65% Crit Damage 185 My Crit values can be improved a lot. With same crit rate I can have 230% or more crit damage.
The 30 stacks per character or 120 stacks total is simple there for co-op, which I think is very good for a support, unlike Thoma that doesn't provide shields to co-op teammates though being called a PROTECTOR..
Wondering why Favonius Lance is considered so much better than Prototype Starglitter? You get 15.3% more ER with Starglitter which lets you focus on building more DEF and less ER/Crit Rate. Especially when comparing R1 to R1. I understand the passive on Favonius, but it also requires that you have Yun Jin on the field auto-attacking to trigger it rather than a quick swap to E and Q then swap out.
I think it was a matter of the weapon's passive. Since Yun Jin ascends with Energy Recharge, her ER is relatively high enough. Since Favonius weapons works well as all around full team support providing energy particles to whole team, this makes it sufficient enough to compensate to the difference in ER. Meanwhile Prototype Starglitter's passive, technically isn't helpful for Quick Swap. R1 vs R1, technically starglitter is better since you wouldn't care for the passive and it's not needed any refinement which give it an advantage. But, I think, for Yun Jin F2P or main DPS, starglitter is better.
i actually really really appreciate the math you always include in chara guides! for me its more precise & clear, but ofc not a must if it takes too much on you! as always thank you for this guide, ive been waiting ur guides so i can build my pretty yunjin 💜
You don't have to worry about the math so much haha I think most people come here to hear the most in depth character guides so we'll stick around regardless of the math if it's necessary :)
Hopefully we get more characters that specialize in AA, current one's are yoimiya and childe (to some extent). Edit: Bruh forgot about my early game main Razor (i have crowned his AA)💀
@@skinnylegend1542 you do realize there are people who main amber razor xinyan anemo/geo MC and triple crown them because you they like them and don't care about meta?
I'm going to get Yunjin in the free 4* event soon so thank you for this guide, mr. xlice! ❤️ I love your guides as always, if it werent for them, i would be so lost with building characters and wasted all my resources 😂
Great video! Just wanted to say, I love lots of your content because of the math, not in spite of the math! I imagine it's a fair bit more work (and not overly necessary for Yun Jin, tbh) but just wanted to throw my 2 cents in and say I enjoy the math.
Yeah I'd agree but I think that we're somewhat in the minority here. If you'd like a bit more math you can visit the respective characters subreddits where there is quite a bit of damage theorycrafting going on.
I'm using Deathmatch for YunJin right now since it's the only weapon that has a defense passive skill though conditional. For artifacts I run her with a 2pcs Husk 2pcs EoSF with all defense with 65/120 CR/CD and 206 ER. Almost have 100% burst uptime since her I'm using her on a Shenhe cryo dps freeze comp and Chongyun reduces the burst cooldown to have it ready even before the duration ends. With her, Shenhe's cryo NA deals like 20-30k per hit.
I really want to use her since I’m in love with her design and got her C6 in 50 pulls when I was getting Xiao’s C1. I don’t use any of those characters that you mentioned for her recommended teams except for Fischl. I think I might build Fischl as main dps since I have her C6 too. Ty for the quality videos mr pp!
i've been waiting for your yun jin guide before i build her! i also wanted to know if she works well for tartaglia and i'm happy that she does. thank you so much for your hard work < 3
9:15 Favonius lance has low energy recharge, requires crit substats or circlet (that she doesnt normally build) and has high base attack that she doesnt use. Her best weapon is Prototype starglitter since it has high Energy recharge. Favonius lance is worse energy recharge option for her. Example here at 17:58 , you needed to use the whole attack combo to proc favonius lance and her energy didnt recharge to full, when with higher energy recharge from prototype starglitter you would have the burst fully recharged after the E,
she already has energy recharge in her ascension upgrades, has a relatively low energy cost burst, and is mainly used as a support to quickly swap into a hyper carry. she doesn't need even more recharge from Starglitter, and can't take advantage of its passive in any capacity. it's, of course, a good option for free-to-play players, but Fav Lance is most advantageous in a good team composition and synergizes with a full team.
Thank you so much for the guide, I love the patience you put into your videos :) I was wondering if you are gonna do a mashine gun video, with Yoimiya c6 Yunjin c2 vv Jean and c6 Fischl/c2Beidou. I really wanna try this boom boom comp but it will take me a long time to get these constellations heh, so seing some showcase would be really cool too
I have been waiting for this! Not gonna use her in the abyss but I am excited to play her in the open world once I get her in the lantern rite rewards. Thanks as always mr pp!
17:38 Melt Tartag peepoLogs Great guide as usual mr xlice. Yunjin is a ton of fun to play and is one of the coolest supports we've gotten in awhile from Mihoyo.
Someone must have complained to him about math. It’s possible your Shen He video was super math heavy, but I think in general your discretion has been pretty fine Xlice. Don’t take it too much to heart
someone in the yunjin subreddit & discord here. if you want to run phys dps YJ you could also use crescent pike. there has been discussion that r4-5 kitain could provide a bit more than r1-2 EL, however that's a bit of TC going on, not saying for sure however, its just overall better just to run fav lance overall.
I wish they would made a 5 star character that relies on their elemental skill and also burst (like Shenhe) in buffing other characters like Yoimiya and Ayato, that would be pretty cool.
Since Noelle's burst counts as normal attack damage infused with geo, Yun Jin would make a great ammo support for a burst dps Noelle, right? You could try to make a team with Eula(main dps), Fischl/Raiden (support dps + superconduct ), Noelle (Burst dps+ shield tank) & Yun Jin ( Ammo support + Parry)
9:42 I hope I have luck on the raiden weapon banner, if your return is confirmed I was going to be really sad for Skip Yae miko but not getting this spear AAAA T-T
My deathmatch keeps getting passed from spear character to spear character as they get better ones, i'm happy with yun jin it has a home. thx for the guide mr pp, will prob build to use with beidou/fischl/noelle for overworld stuffs.
Favonius Lance and Deathmatch really is a universal 4star that it can be passed to every polearm user no matter what build they are. My Xiao, Xiangling, Thoma and Yun Jin shares this weapons depends on who I'll use for the day.
Maybe I missed it but could you in the future say what amount of energy recharge is recommended? I’ve heard for Raiden 180-200 is desired because of you get any higher than that you have more than what is needed and that cuts in CRIT for your artifacts. For supports having uptime of bursts is really important so knowing - hey this amount of ER for supports is really REALY recommend or you will have to spend time trying to get back energy. Is 160 for yunjin enough because she has a lower burst cost? Thank you these guides are super helpful!
Has been wondering how she will fit with my Tartag and Yoimiya, thank you for clarifying that she can work well with them. I'll pick her for the free 4-star Lantern Rite event because of this. Amazing guide as always 👏
great video just another hero to look at (yes I know you get her c0 for free during the Anniversary! I mean Latern Rite. but thats not the point) good job Mr. Corpa keep it up.
is it good to run her with Keqing? i just wondering if it works since keqing mostly use NA to defeat an enemy. And also thank you for the Yunjin's review
learned alot about what i wasn't satisfied with in shenhe's guide
yun jin's guide is a lot more concise and easy to understand, i hope you guys enjoy (:
edit: 17:39 uhhh pretend that says "vape tartag" (: (MY FAULT NOT EDITORS LOL)
thank you for ur hard work mr pp ❤️
Gud mornin Mr pp
omg 😭 came to the comments JUST to say something about that lol
My team rn is
Yoimiya with shinenewa and rust
Bennet with prototype and noblesse
Sucrose ttds and vv set with 600 em
Xinqui with sac sword and emblem
Where do I put yunjin and is she even worth it
In both this and shenhe's guide you said that Noblesse Oblige gives 12% atk kek
I'm guessing you confused it with the 12 second duration
Not a huge problem for dedicated genshin players,might confuse a new player on the moment tho since on screen or says 20% but they hear 12%
Thanks for all the info as usual tho,Shenhe and Yunjin sound much more interesting when explained
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I'm never going to build 99% of these characters but these guides are just interesting to listen to
same
But it's nice knowing that, when you finally get your own ass up to finally build these characters, you'll have an easy to learn, comprehensive guide from the Chad, Xlice himself. I my self have pre farmed Zhong Li's ascension and talent to lvl90, 6/9/9, and the Arty's. All I have to is wait for his updated guide on Zhong Li's weapon.
@@AGUSTIN-zc5iu Staff of Homa is his bis due to its main stat and passive but 4 stars, like Favonius Lance, Blackcliff, Deathmatch as well as the 3 star Black Tassel work fine on him as well
@@maraisfan4life517 I've watched his previous Zhong Li guide video. But I'm still going to wait until his updated guide drops. Thanks for reminding me though.😁 If all else, I'll just go either favo Lance, or deathmatch
@@AGUSTIN-zc5iu no worries. I hope to become a fellow Zhongli haver (on my f2p account that is)
Yunjin: Literally has the best auto attacks in the game.
Also Yunjin: Auto attacks are completely useless and is basically impossible to build for an auto attack playstyle.
Polearm options are kinda sucky, but you can make it work. It just won't be something exceptional.
They aren't completely useless. She's one of the better lumberjacks in the game, surprisingly. Works well as a driver for Beidou and Xingqiu, too.
Also not impossible to build for autos, she'll just go from being the strongest support in the game (even better than Bennett if both are built optimally and used with characters built optimally to use their buffs, yes even on (most) characters that normally don't use normals or don't get most of their damage from normals) to being an above-average physical DPS with Gorou as a support.
Game plan is basically this. Unless you know you're facing crowds of enemies and your deathmatch is at high refinements, don't use Deathmatch because the DEF bonus isn't much to write home about or consistent, and the crit rate is very good multiplier-wise but not as good as White Tassel (or Crescent Pike for that matter, but White Tassel is the BIS here (and super aesthetic)).
If you have any kind of geo battery, even a mediocre one (and you do because you'll be running her with Gorou, it's basically mandatory) and she's on-field all the time (which she will be except when you go through your support rotation) she only needs about 140% ER, which she can actually surpass with just 1 ER substat per artifact plus her own character ER substat. Nice! Drop any other ER investment you would normally have (obviously most of that would normally come from a weapon, and you already dropped whatever ER weapon you were using for White Tassel at this point, so we're good there; if you get some extra ER substat rolls because of bad RNG, no worries, it's insurance, as long as you focus on other stats).
Building her is the hardest part, because normally she's one of the easiest characters to build since she only wants 3 artifact stats (DEF%, DEF and ER%) but now she wants 4 (DEF%, DEF, Crit Rate and Crit DMG), plus you're going to be running her with a physical dmg bonus goblet. DEF/Phys/CD is the main stat spread to aim for (because she probably has a CR weapon, either Dragonspine Spear, White Tassel or, if you accidentally foddered all of the latter and can't get the former, Deathmatch; For what it's worth PJWS, Dragon's Bane (if you have a source of recurring off-field pyro or hydro damage on your team, eg Kokomi) and the Crescent Pike though it's categorically outclassed by Dragonspine due to having about half the physical bonus, since all are multiplier stat sticks, and Dragonspine is even almost on-par with White Tassel). Basically you build her like you would Itto, except there's no Redhorn Thresher polearm, so you go for pure multipliers instead, and she's primarily a physical damage dealer, so you go physical instead of geo.
As for sets, 2pc/2pc husk/pale flame, husk/bloodstained or pale flame/bloodstained is your best bet; I would go for one of the husk mixed sets to offset the two DEF main stats you dropped and the substats you're rolling into crit stats.
On half of your rotations Gorou will provide 25% extra DEF, and on all rotations he will provide 438 extra DEF (assuming he's crowned-E and C3 or higher). Yun cannot normally benefit from these buffs since they're only for on-field characters, so this helps offset her lost DEF.
We're also aiming for 60% for shred (roughly a 1.3888x bonus in most cases; this would come from Rosaria + Fischl or another electro, or be dropped to 40% or 1.2777x with a non-Rosaria Cryo (presumably Diona for heals), though Rosaria is very high-value to physical Yun drivers including Yun herself and you want off-field sub DPSs to make sure you keep your crystal shields up even if you get hit, since you have no Zhongli; Alternately Zhongli alone will provide about a 1.1666x bonus in the form of 20 resistance shred if you run him alongside an off-field healer + elemental applicator like Kokomi or Diona, and you'll gain a mostly-superfluous geo bonus from Gorou, but you'll lose one level of Yun's passive in exchange; I'm assuming the rosaria + fischl comp and 60% shred though).
For substats, we'll start by looking at crit ratio. 5% base CR, 15% CR from Rosaria, 23.4% CR from White Tassel, 50% base CD, 62.2% CD from her circlet (bringing her to a running total of 43.4:112.2 crit ratio), and, assuming she has 3 crit stats per artifact (and 2 DEF%s on her non-sands artifacts), with the average CR sub being 3.305% and the average CD sub being 6.61%, and shooting for a 1:2 ratio, that brings her to about 73.1:151.8 (9 CR substats and 6 CD substats), not far off the optimal 80:160 you shoot for with a 5* crit weapon. Assuming we aim for a lot of these on her sands (since it can't roll DEF%), only get, say, 2 levels of flat DEF total (about 38 DEF), and that we otherwise get an average of 2.5 levels of DEF% each (at an average of 6.195% per level) on the remaining 4 artifacts (2 levels on 2 and 3 on the other 2), for an overall-achievable (albeit pretty high-end) build RNG-wise, that nets us 61.95% DEF from substats.
To add up her DEF, it's 61.95 substats + 46.6 sands + 30 husk + 20 Yun C4 + 12.5 gorou + 38 flat substats + 438 flat gorou = 171.05% and 476 flat DEF on her 734 base, bringing her to 2,465 DEF (which is not IDEAL, about 5/6 what she would normally be running as a support, but the tradeoff is her E can crit; anyway, the way you normally run Yun is monstrously strong compared to anything except 4-character synergy team comps like Nationals variants and Blizzard Strayer Ayaka freeze comps, and at 5/6 power she'll still hit at least as hard as a regular driver will on a regular Bennett + main DPS of choice comp as long as her multiplier is up to snuff; She's able to hit this number, of course, only losing about 500 DEF instead of 1100, thanks to Gorou).
With 90/90 Yun and a normal support build (that I would personally consider adequate), you're looking at about 3k DEF and a buff being applied to a character who will multiply that buff by about 8-10x per hit, and we already know we're looking at only about 2.5k DEF, so let's get to this hypothetical Yun's multipliers.
With 90/90 C4+ Yun, the set described above (husk+PF), White Tassel and with Gorou support, you're looking at 25 pale flame + 58.3 goblet + 48 white tassel + 15 geo resonance + 15 Yun C2 = 161.3% or a 2.613x multiplier for dmg bonus, 60% shred or a 1.3888x bonus (on 10% resistance enemies), 73.1:151.8 crit ratio or a 2.109658x average multiplier from crits, and 2465 DEF providing 1869 extra pre-multiplier damage to every hit. Her net multiplier is 2.613*2.109658*1.3888=7.6558x, not above the 8x threshold for what I would consider the second tier of Yun drivers, but still within the third tier that most characters fall into, and really not far off from that second tier. (Physical drivers in general have an easier time hitting the second tier, and so do polearms, so that works massively to her advantage; However, she still needs at least partial DEF investment here, which her drivers ordinarily don't, which prevents her from hitting a crit ratio like 85:170 that would easily put her into the second tier.) Her attacks may not be the fastest, but they are still _fairly_ fast and have good reach, traits of good Yun drivers as well.
It's mainly that missing DEF from full Husk and goblet/circlet that she's missing (even with the Gorou offset) that hurts her effectiveness here, but given how many people build her very suboptimally (eg ER DEF CR Favonius Lance, dropping about 700 DEF so that the most important character on your team can battery less important characters) and also how poorly they build her drivers, there's a good chance you'll end up dealing more damage with this build than you would with "recommended" builds and comps for her. In all you're looking at (completely ignoring her base normal attack damage, which is only about 2000 per attack at level 8 IIRC) 1869 *7.6558=14,308 _average_ minimum damage on each hit of her normals (the real minimum will be lower, about 6782, but that's for a non-crit; The minimum for crits, on the other hand, will be 17078, which will happen 73% of the time, of course), with about 21.33 average frames per attack (a lot slower than Zhongli or C1 Fischl, but a little bit faster than Yoimiya, for a relative idea of her real attack speed, however fast or slow the animations make each "feel," though I'm pretty sure Zhongli and C1 Fischl feel like machineguns to everyone).
Another advantage of this comp, incidentally, is that Rosaria and Fischl can easily stack very high multipliers (Rosaria higher than Fischl I believe) and are both physical attackers benefitting from their own superconduct/Rosaria's C6, and Fischl in particular does attack extremely fast (she's practically unparalleled for single-target hits-per-second except by a frame-perfect Ningguang, who is half a frame faster iirc thanks to her attack cancels and doubled attacks, though one frame off on each input and Ning, who can't buffer her normal attacks and therefore has extreme difficulty actually benefiting from her incredibly high hitrate, drops to the same speed as Fischl, and each successive frame of error makes her slower).
Know it's a long read but hopefully it got the point across that you CAN make her normals work (surprisingly) well. TL;DR is they can end up dealing about 14k damage per hit. It falls under the same "you can build ANY character for main DPS" and "just because you can doesn't mean you should" rules as always, of course, but mainly because she's such a good support that it's a waste to build her this way and get less than 5/6 the damage out of her that you normally would by splitting the multiplier and DEF investment across two characters (and using faster attackers like Zhongli, who can hit for over 20k per hit with a regular support Yun AND do it in about 13.5 frames per hit). Certainly, it should be Abyss-viable and potentially even f2p-viable (it has two C4s and one C6, and potentially a C1 if you want to use Fischl as a secondary driver, but they are all 4*).
@@vitriolicAmaranth I kinda wanna see this in game lol
@@Aphidae I don't really have great artifacts for it and my Gorou is C0 and unleveled so I didn't even bother with him, nor did I use superconduct, but I tried it yesterday with just some spare pale flames I had lying around plus some pieces of her normal support set and I was hitting 6-7k per attack (and had 2k DEF). Not terrible.
@@vitriolicAmaranth that’s neat, did you just use bennet boost or something?
Yoimiya was my first 5 star and now im glad theres a way to make her even stronger
Not really forcing her ascension 4, more like it so happened to happen. But I am currently running Yoimiya, Beidou, Yunjin. and Kokomi and as a support for Yoimiya, she is really good. The team is very fluid in the rotations and everyone gets their burst back up with ease. Really loving her as a character
I love this! I will make sure to get kokomi I love her playstyle
Out of personal experience, I really liked running xingqiu instead of kokomi with the other three characters. Ups your damage by a looooot. Only downside is you'll have to dodge really well and rely on xq for heals
Thats such a sick team
I love running Yun with Beidou since they have similar kits and synergies but key into different advantages and different situations. Also nice being able to counter multiple attacks in a row.
Is she a good support for physical dps'?
So happy about the indirect Yoimiya buff tbh, she was my first real 5* DPS and I still like her a lot, even after becoming mostly a Hu Tao/Xiao main.
I’m a Yun Jin main that’s been waiting for her to come out for the longest time. I don’t have anyone really built to maximize her Q but she sure is fun to play. Ty mr xlice for another guide ! peepoClap
@Mohammad Mohd seriously, there are amber mains out there, no point questioning it.
@Mohammad Mohd I can play however i like to btw, and I like using her for domain runs with others and over world. My Elemental skill can hit over 30 k with def goblet :) edit: we just had different "definitions" of maining a unit in Genshin. I have her triple crowned and like to use her every time I play and experiment different things. She's not a main carry for obvious reasons, but that doesn't mean i can't main her.
@@lockdowntrunks you live the dream bro. Besides if you main a support like this you're going to enable a whole ton of people and have a good time experimenting
peepoHey :D
TOOBASED
I am having great results with Yun Jin for my Noelle Geo mono team. Patch 2.3 with Stonethresher, Husk of Opulent Dreams, Gorou and Yun Jin turned her into a hyper carry for me tickling
the 90k normal attacks. I hope to get her past the 100k regular with better artifacts. Love your guides and that you let everybody know how viable Yun Jin is.
What's your Noelle build?
Husk of Opulent Dreams:
Timepiece Def %
Goblet Geo
Crit Rate Circlet.
Normals and Burst Crowned
Redhorn R5 level 90
Crit Rate 65% Crit Damage 185
My Crit values can be improved a lot. With same crit rate I can have 230% or more crit damage.
Her burst sound effect is so nice
The 30 stacks per character or 120 stacks total is simple there for co-op, which I think is very good for a support, unlike Thoma that doesn't provide shields to co-op teammates though being called a PROTECTOR..
thomas first conconstellation is also useless in coop 😭😭😭
Thoma is the worst 4star
@Kuncu wdym by the "black" one?
@@jeffersucc they meant xinyan but the way they said it sounds a bit weird
@Kuncu she's just tanned though...
Wondering why Favonius Lance is considered so much better than Prototype Starglitter? You get 15.3% more ER with Starglitter which lets you focus on building more DEF and less ER/Crit Rate. Especially when comparing R1 to R1. I understand the passive on Favonius, but it also requires that you have Yun Jin on the field auto-attacking to trigger it rather than a quick swap to E and Q then swap out.
I think it was a matter of the weapon's passive. Since Yun Jin ascends with Energy Recharge, her ER is relatively high enough. Since Favonius weapons works well as all around full team support providing energy particles to whole team, this makes it sufficient enough to compensate to the difference in ER. Meanwhile Prototype Starglitter's passive, technically isn't helpful for Quick Swap. R1 vs R1, technically starglitter is better since you wouldn't care for the passive and it's not needed any refinement which give it an advantage. But, I think, for Yun Jin F2P or main DPS, starglitter is better.
Ty!!:) I watch a lot of yunjin guides but they confuse me, your style is very understandable and helps me a lot to get the best of my characters
i actually really really appreciate the math you always include in chara guides! for me its more precise & clear, but ofc not a must if it takes too much on you! as always thank you for this guide, ive been waiting ur guides so i can build my pretty yunjin 💜
agree - it helps me better understand what's going on and make more educated choices regarding artifacts
A new xlice vid! Been waiting for it
17:15 This is one reason I really like Yunjin. Puts me closer to my dream of DPS Thoma.
yesssssssssss thanks for the guide! was waiting for this. i usually wait for the guides before i build/pull.
I was waiting for this since I really wanted to build her! As expected, your guide was very nice and well explained mr Xlice thank you sm :D
🌸❤️It is a complete guide to Geo-Excellency and yet another fine unit betwixt it’s roster❤️🌸
You don't have to worry about the math so much haha I think most people come here to hear the most in depth character guides so we'll stick around regardless of the math if it's necessary :)
Hopefully we get more characters that specialize in AA, current one's are yoimiya and childe (to some extent).
Edit: Bruh forgot about my early game main Razor (i have crowned his AA)💀
**Razor sobbing noises**
*angry Fischl noises*
@@abdalrahmankamel4736 yea but no one cares about Razor,he's literlly been powercreep in every way from every angle
*me with my physical fischl* ....
@@skinnylegend1542 you do realize there are people who main amber razor xinyan anemo/geo MC and triple crown them because you they like them and don't care about meta?
MR PP IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS THANK UUU
Time has finally come for me, the first triple crowned Yoimiya main in EU, to start building my Yunjin
I'm going to get Yunjin in the free 4* event soon so thank you for this guide, mr. xlice! ❤️ I love your guides as always, if it werent for them, i would be so lost with building characters and wasted all my resources 😂
I'm very happy I waking up to see a new Xlice vid
I literally wait for these guides because yours are the only ones I trust
Ayyyy I was waiting for this guide!!!
Great video! Just wanted to say, I love lots of your content because of the math, not in spite of the math! I imagine it's a fair bit more work (and not overly necessary for Yun Jin, tbh) but just wanted to throw my 2 cents in and say I enjoy the math.
Yeah I'd agree but I think that we're somewhat in the minority here. If you'd like a bit more math you can visit the respective characters subreddits where there is quite a bit of damage theorycrafting going on.
waited for this lets go
I'm using Deathmatch for YunJin right now since it's the only weapon that has a defense passive skill though conditional. For artifacts I run her with a 2pcs Husk 2pcs EoSF with all defense with 65/120 CR/CD and 206 ER. Almost have 100% burst uptime since her I'm using her on a Shenhe cryo dps freeze comp and Chongyun reduces the burst cooldown to have it ready even before the duration ends. With her, Shenhe's cryo NA deals like 20-30k per hit.
the Thumbnail is so pretty
Let's just say running her with Yomiya and C6 Fishl, the 30 quota goes so fast and dps goes brrr,love it!!!
Her every movement is so elegant
I really want to use her since I’m in love with her design and got her C6 in 50 pulls when I was getting Xiao’s C1. I don’t use any of those characters that you mentioned for her recommended teams except for Fischl. I think I might build Fischl as main dps since I have her C6 too. Ty for the quality videos mr pp!
IN FIFTY PULLS?? 😱😱😱 that is some MAD luck
i've been waiting for your yun jin guide before i build her! i also wanted to know if she works well for tartaglia and i'm happy that she does. thank you so much for your hard work < 3
God I just noticed the noise her Q makes, at 17:46. It’s so alluring.
I am amazed by the mono geo team, so satisfying
rlly good guide - thorough but concise :)
9:15 Favonius lance has low energy recharge, requires crit substats or circlet (that she doesnt normally build) and has high base attack that she doesnt use. Her best weapon is Prototype starglitter since it has high Energy recharge. Favonius lance is worse energy recharge option for her. Example here at 17:58 , you needed to use the whole attack combo to proc favonius lance and her energy didnt recharge to full, when with higher energy recharge from prototype starglitter you would have the burst fully recharged after the E,
she already has energy recharge in her ascension upgrades, has a relatively low energy cost burst, and is mainly used as a support to quickly swap into a hyper carry. she doesn't need even more recharge from Starglitter, and can't take advantage of its passive in any capacity. it's, of course, a good option for free-to-play players, but Fav Lance is most advantageous in a good team composition and synergizes with a full team.
I think her bis is Skyward Spine, which I’m currently looking for in my pulls. Hopefully it’ll be featured in future weapon banners
That clip with Noelle was so awesome. Best maid!
Thank you so much for the guide, I love the patience you put into your videos :)
I was wondering if you are gonna do a mashine gun video, with Yoimiya c6 Yunjin c2 vv Jean and c6 Fischl/c2Beidou. I really wanna try this boom boom comp but it will take me a long time to get these constellations heh, so seing some showcase would be really cool too
"Melt tartag" uhhh Mr.Cope?? 17:40
I was about to sleep and then this appeared in my notifs. thank you as always :>
me watching this as if i dont already have a triple crowned phys dps yunjin, these guides are so interesting lol ☺️
I have been waiting for this! Not gonna use her in the abyss but I am excited to play her in the open world once I get her in the lantern rite rewards. Thanks as always mr pp!
thank you mr. pp
as Beidou and Yoimiya enjoyer, the existence of Yunjin is truly a blessing
17:38 Melt Tartag peepoLogs
Great guide as usual mr xlice. Yunjin is a ton of fun to play and is one of the coolest supports we've gotten in awhile from Mihoyo.
Someone must have complained to him about math. It’s possible your Shen He video was super math heavy, but I think in general your discretion has been pretty fine Xlice. Don’t take it too much to heart
Shes good for more unconventional main DPS characters too, like im running her in my mono geo team with dps Zhongli
I like how he keeps reassuring no maths hahaha
someone in the yunjin subreddit & discord here.
if you want to run phys dps YJ you could also use crescent pike.
there has been discussion that r4-5 kitain could provide a bit more than r1-2 EL, however that's a bit of TC going on, not saying for sure
however, its just overall better just to run fav lance overall.
I like the update to the artifact section where you give us the 4 recommended sub stats👍
missed opportunity to pun "def"ault build
but jokes aside great job! thank you for explaining her and shenhe's kits :)
i was kinda confused as to how to build her so this video really helps 😭👍🏼
00:14 I want a lecture though...
WHOO I CANT WAIT TO BUILD YUNJIN
Yaaayyyy!!! It's here!!! :D
Great video Mr Slice thank you!!
I wish they would made a 5 star character that relies on their elemental skill and also burst (like Shenhe) in buffing other characters like Yoimiya and Ayato, that would be pretty cool.
Sheesh she’s insane
Love you content ❤️😉 continue bro
Since Noelle's burst counts as normal attack damage infused with geo, Yun Jin would make a great ammo support for a burst dps Noelle, right? You could try to make a team with
Eula(main dps),
Fischl/Raiden (support dps + superconduct ),
Noelle (Burst dps+ shield tank)
& Yun Jin ( Ammo support + Parry)
9:42
I hope I have luck on the raiden weapon banner, if your return is confirmed
I was going to be really sad for Skip Yae miko but not getting this spear AAAA T-T
What team did you used on first half to start second half on 9:45 in the last section of the showcase?
Gud mornin
Still in shock at how cracked his noelle is
noelle best girl
Otsukaresama deshita !
Now I want even more of her cons (peepohappy) ty Mr. Slice
Mr PP with the pog guides as always thank you
Not tryna be rude but I need more account reviews they are so interesting
Oh my this one came out fast nice :)
I find it interesting properly boosted C4 Yunjin can buff normal attacks for ~2100 and additional 15%
love your guides
The Catch is great on her
thank you for this amazing guide!
Nice timestamps👍
That noelle of yours is pretty amazing, It makes me want to start byperinvesting mine :D
That's a nice ending right there. 👌
The mono geo numbers looked real good kind of wished i pulled a gorou lmaooo
Thank you for your hard work Xlice! Looking forward to being able to buff yoimiya and eula even more, prob my fave main dps'.
My deathmatch keeps getting passed from spear character to spear character as they get better ones, i'm happy with yun jin it has a home. thx for the guide mr pp, will prob build to use with beidou/fischl/noelle for overworld stuffs.
Favonius Lance and Deathmatch really is a universal 4star that it can be passed to every polearm user no matter what build they are. My Xiao, Xiangling, Thoma and Yun Jin shares this weapons depends on who I'll use for the day.
She is so good!!! I use her with klee to boost all of the non charged attacks
Maybe I missed it but could you in the future say what amount of energy recharge is recommended? I’ve heard for Raiden 180-200 is desired because of you get any higher than that you have more than what is needed and that cuts in CRIT for your artifacts. For supports having uptime of bursts is really important so knowing - hey this amount of ER for supports is really REALY recommend or you will have to spend time trying to get back energy. Is 160 for yunjin enough because she has a lower burst cost? Thank you these guides are super helpful!
Has been wondering how she will fit with my Tartag and Yoimiya, thank you for clarifying that she can work well with them. I'll pick her for the free 4-star Lantern Rite event because of this. Amazing guide as always 👏
xlice guides are my lifeline AKSJRLSJTKTF
im using the 2pc defender's will and 2pc husk since husk domain hell only drops clam shell, nice guide btw
great video just another hero to look at (yes I know you get her c0 for free during the Anniversary! I mean Latern Rite. but thats not the point) good job Mr. Corpa keep it up.
Can the buff used for itto kesagiri slashes?
This was a great guide
Have you stopped by my channel yet? Come see me next 💜💛💙
Nice guide... Always
Building her for my yoimiya and maybe other dps hehe
i gave her dps stuff HSHSHSHS bc i like seeing dmg:.> even my gorou has 45/110 stats but hes meant 2 be a support
Hello ^^ Is she good to use with Ayato as well?
Exactly what I wanted
She’s insane
is it good to run her with Keqing? i just wondering if it works since keqing mostly use NA to defeat an enemy. And also thank you for the Yunjin's review
Keqing mostly uses charged attacks, not normal attacks. So Yun Jin is not a great option to support her
Thanks for your video!
I have a question: does Yun Jin buff Keqings attacks? Is this a good combo?
In a childe team an anemo support gives a lot more team dmg than her right?
Is Keqing a good pairing with Yun Jin? I figured her high attack speed would trigger all 30 procs.
It would work okay, but Keqing typically tries to use charge-attacks for much higher DPS
Dude really flexing his Yoimiya in a Yun Jin guide PepeW