Yamaha WR250F vs Honda CRF250F vs Honda CRF300L (Enduro vs Trail Bike vs Dual Sport)
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Part of the experience of riding is hearing the internal combustion engine. Nice bike and great video. Cheers from 🇺🇸
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I had a 03 wr250f and looking for a used wr as we speak.
Good ones are hard to come by
I also ride a T7
Congratulations to you and Brooke
Your WR250F looks great. I have one as well and a KTM 300 XC-W. I think you're right about the WR's suspension being great, feels very planted. I don't think the WR is really more ridable than the KTM though. True, the KTM has more power overall, but the newer ones are essentially fuel injected so the power delivery is very linear and manageable, and useful with no surprises. There is no 2-stroke powerband hit (which some people miss). Also, the KTM is lighter with much better bottom end, making it easier on tight trails and thus not stalling. I've noticed better fuel economy on the KTM as well which does require oil, but it mixes itself and holds enough in its reservoir for hundreds of miles of trails. But I think you're right about the WR's advantage in reliability, even though I haven't had trouble with the KTM yet, and affordability of the WR when buying used - my WR has been bullet proof. My son has a Beta X-Trainer 300, which is lighter and more ridable than anything out there. Enjoy the trails, they look wonderful!
21 Husky TE 300 I. No gas mixing. No valve adjustment. Approximately 60 miles per tank
Yamaha TW200 when I want to get out there & tour the woods, lakes & trails - a nice pace to take everything in & bullet proof. Nice video, good choices there for bikes.
Thanks! The TDub is a great bike! at an even better price. I have a neighbour who has one parked in front of his place and it always makes me smile. It's like the motorcycle version of a fat bike.
Great video! ‘Get the shiny side muddy’. ☺️
Always!
This is the bike that I should have bought!
Instead, I bought a Husqvarna TE 250. The mixing oil is no big deal, and the maintenance is a breeze.
The bike is amazing, and I have had no mechanical issues yet.
The only downside is that it is stinky, especially when cold.
Having a dedicated off-road bike is the only way to go!
Thanks for another great video.
Thanks! Yes the TE250 is a super cool ride. Cheers!
Stinky? Smells beautiful imo.
Beautiful trail, great video ❤😊
Congratulations 🎊 baby 👶 riding soon 😘
Thank you very much! Yes, I'm lucky that we have some beautiful trails around here.
Good video, nice bike, beautiful scenery 👍
Thank you!
I think a better decision would have not been a wr250f simply because the touchiness of the throttle isn't very conducive to singletrack use. I use a yz250fx and I would know this. A good example would be a KTM 250/300 or beta 200/250/300. I use a 300 Xtrainer and a yz250fx (which is just like the wr250f you ride)
You are so right. I also have the fx. It sucks inntechnical stuff. 2 strokes are easier and cheaper and simpler. Next bike is the yz125x
Excellent bike! Another one - Yamaha XT250. Yes, it's not up there with WR250F in suspension, etc. But it will do everything you through at it and it's road legal. Single track, super rough single track, forests, trails, dirt and highways too (with windshield, I can do 5-6 hours of highways without too much tiredness). I downsized to XT250 from some big/powerful bikes - and I've never had that much fun on a motorcycle before!
The xt has it's shortcomings and I'm sure this WR is much more capable but it's small size and trials like handling have taken me many places where dual sports (Japanese dual sports) usually fear to tread.
Well, Rambo rode XT so, hard to beat that 😄
Seriously though, I don't think XT is comparable with real dirt bikes. It is kind of weird machine because it is more forgiving for novice but, it requires some serious skills to pull its full potential. It took me too some stupid places that I would never try had I had clue what I was getting into. But, we both miraculously survived, a lil banged up though. The most annoying thing about it is how it suddenly stalls and usually at the worst time and place.
@@oknevals I used that cool clutch practice from @IRCTireUSAMoto I think when you roll up and down a slope with clutch only. I almost never stall now on any bike!
I agree: narrow purpose dirt bike will do its thing better, but XT250 won't be far off with the right skills. And when you get out of dirt - you can ride home! When I ride it I feel like I have the ultimate freedom - I ride on a road, see some horrible washed out dirty trails in the forest - and just go there because I know XT will take me there and back. I could never do this on bigger bikes (BMW GS's, even the 650 one I rode years ago). There is nothing on the market that combines 11" ground clearance with 31" seat height, unkillable reliability at about $5K. Anyway, I have 2 bikes and plan to add one more next year (Suzuki 800DE), but XT250 would be the one I'd keep if only could have one.
@oknevals I had my engine just die without warning maybe three times in 4 years but it was disconcerting. I agree that the high ground clearance and low seat height are a marvel of engineering. Here's a fact for you.. turning radius on my klx is 11 feet on xt 8.
Well said! That's my point about getting off the beaten track. It's so nice to get away from it all. The XT250 will definitely be in the running when my wife Brooke is getting back into riding in a few years. That bike is deceptively capable for being so reasonably priced.
Many bikes later still come back to 01 XR400R best most dependable versatile bike ever...250 lbs plenty of power and indestructible, still have an original 87 250R that cranks on one two kicks but the X4 is my baby
Great bike buddy. That’s one of the great ones.
Please wear your PPE including ear defenders.
Visit your local hearing clinic and ask for custom plugs to wear with a helmet and away you go.
I have a 2019 model. Uncorking is important for more than power. The bike will run without stalling after uncorking and it can be tuned to be smoother off the bottom.
Owned a 16' wr250f for a year as my 1st bike, and it was a great all arounder except hard enduro and technical stuff
Yep! I tend to do up to intermediate trails so it's the perfect ride for me.
So I sold my WR250F this year. It was a great bike (2015 very similar to yours) but if it wasn’t being ridden hard, it wasn’t being ridden the way it was meant to be. I have a street legal WR250R that I upgraded with GoRace suspension bits. Yea it is heavier than the WR250F or the KTM200EXC I had before. But it is plusher and more versatile than a dedicated dirt bike and I have always found I could ride longer and less fatigued with the R version than the F. I think for the riding you do, you would prefer the R as well. Just do the suspension upgrade.
The WR250R is a legend. Have ridden it for long rides on the road before I got to my 4 bike stable, and it rocks on the singletrack or the rocky muddy Muskoka woods trails.
Great bikes. I have both the WR450F and WR250F. The 250 is my son's. They are 2023 models. I also have a 2018 TE250 two stroke. I am most impressed with the
WR250F in the way that it handles. This is the first four stroke dirt bike that I feel handles like a two stroke. The bike is not slow, has plenty of power. I feel these new
Yamaha's need more kudos. They are in my opinion the best value. Reliable, excellent suspension, tuning capability, and are cheaper than the Euro models.
I have owned many of the Euro's. I would not go back.
11000 kilometres on my 2017 WR250F nothing spent on the motor.Valves checked at correct intervals never needed adjustment.Never let me down.Had the last engine check at 10000. Leak down;compression;valves were all within 5% of new.Buy a 2 stroke they said.2022 Husky 250 TPI.Cheaper to run and less maintenance they said.Just did 115 hours;2500 kilometres;top end and oil pump;$1200.Just waiting for my 3rd crankcase pressure sensor;2 weeks on back order.Can’t keep up with demand.$220 each.And you get brakes from a push bike for $1000 more than the Yami.Selling and getting another WR250.
Great bike, enjoy. compress the suspension, lean back a little, light throttle and you'll be popping over those size logs with ease, Promise, try it once or twice and you'll see.
don't forget to keep leaning back when your back wheel clears the log or over the bars you go.
Thanks for the tip! I definitely have some learning to do.
don't we all.
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On the hills keep the front light almost like skimming a rock on a river.
You can do that on this bike , not so much on a heavier trail bike .
Wow, that was a good deal. The best I can find in my area (also Ontario) is a 2018 with 1400km for 8k$ and a 2010 with a Rockstar sticker kit (Red Flag lol) unknown mileage for 5k$.
Thanks for sharing! Yes, I got lucky this past summer with this one as the guy was the original owner and he got this bike because he got injured motocrossing. He thought that he would ride a lot but didn't. The bike is definitely worth it if you find the right one. Good luck!
I just found your channel because I have decided I wanted to take up trail riding again after 40 years off time, (everyone got married no one left to ride with) so at this point, I'm trying to find the best used Street legal or none street legal bike for me, I use to ride a KDX 200 back in 1986, ya I'm older lol, Good vid thanks.
If you're shorter in the inseam an xt250 is an extremely capable little goat that can cruise fine at 60mph. If you are taller the klx300 has the best suspension of the Japanese dualsports.
Welcome aboard! Glad tro be of service.
Just don’t get a KLR650 ….too heavy for safe trail riding.
I am looking at a CRF 450 RL 132kg wet …lots of power…street legal….serious suspension .
Also looking at the KLX 230 here in Australia ….cheap but competent on trail for moderate speeds.
Good luck I returned to riding after 30 years …I have fallen in love with bike riding all over again 😊
Congratulations. Ha! on both counts. It t sounds like a great choice for what you want to do. I am totlally with you on this bike over the european offerings. I would love to try one but at my age and with my 30 inch inseam the tumbling that I would regularily be doing (like the one in your video) might not be a great Idea. Also all the riding I would do in my area (Squamish) would require constant trailering so it's my klx 250 for me. Hope that the bike treats you well and you have a ton of fun with it.
Thanks! Much appreciated! Yep, it sounds like the KLX is the best bike for your area. I'm lucky at my cottage that I can pull out of my cottage and ride the gravel shoulder on our roads before popping onto the trail network which will pretty much get me anywhere I want. If I had a further ride the KLX would be at the top of the list.
An Athena big bore 300 kit will cure your lack of low end and pump up the mid range a lot.
AS far as used enduro bikes go, you'd be hard pressed to go wrong on a Yamaha. As you get more off road experience though you might want to consider a bigger CC bike, not so that you can go faster but you can be lazier on a bigger bore bike. I'm a lifelong dirt bike rider and the bigger bikes are more forgiving in terms of gear selection. I ride a Beta 300 and I also have a Beta 480. For me the smaller CC bikes are for riders who like to rev their bokes hard. I'm what they call a lugger. I like to cruise around in a higher gear with lower revs, and I carry momentum by being smooth and consistent. You can't ride a 250 like that. Don't get me wrong, the WR250F is a great bike and is perfect for the skill level that you describe yourself as having. A bigger bike is something to consider going forward.
I think you got lucky. I got the new one and it's almost a yzf. Also 250 is lighter but a lot more work on the gears than 450.
I had my eyes on a crf300L but am starting to think that a dedicated dirt bike might be a better fit for me.
Frequent oil changes aren't an issue for me but its the valve checks that are stopping me from pulling the trigger. Are you checking them every 30 hours or are there some bikes out there that are much longer than that?
Sweet Yamaha combo. Ask Santa for Tubliss for the WR for Christmas. Hard to beat the performance increase for the $.
Thanks for the tip. I have to get new tires for the T7 in the spring before anything else, but that's on my radar.
Not stingy or cheap... Frugal... It is actually a virtue. Consider getting a Rekluse on that, will help with stalling.
Thanks for the tip! Now with a kid on the way I'm more... "frugal' than ever :)
@@DifferentSpokesTV awesome reason to be frugal! Just promise us you won't sell your bikes and stop riding because your wife is pregnant... The lamest excuse ever... Take the battery out, drain the fuel and stuff it in a corner if you need to save money.
I'm only 5'7" with a short inseam. So yes, I am looking for a used cr250f 😁
Good choice! That bike has more grunt low down and is about the same weight. For a road legal option Honda now offers the CRF300 in a lowered LS trim.
I've ridden a wr250f and found it very similar in characteristics to my exc250f I had at the time. Maybe the KTM was a bit more responsive, through that's not surprising with the "on/off" KTM throttle 😂
Thanks for sharing! Yep, not surprising at all. I heard that KTMs are "Ready to Race" :)
I'd like to think I played a small part in your bike purchase after constantly bragging about my WR250F on your channel. 😂
Uncorck that baby - you can still keep a spark arrestor on it. I have a FMF full exhaust with a Mega Bomb - it really helps the bike move.
Enjoy the trails.
Why is WR so expensive and it's only a 250? And I thought it was no longer in production
My dream bike is a tw200
So how often do you have to do the maintenance work?
I replace the air filter and change the oil every four rides or so and the oil filter every eight. I'll probably do only about 15 rides next year because the rest of the time I'm testing out the press bikes. Which, come to think of it, is pretty cool :)
A baby coming ??? congratulations both , bikes R.I.P... jajajaja no joking..
What's the difference between an Enduro and Dual Sport? I've heard both those terms used interchangeably. Aren't they both made to go on and off road?
Dual Sport has lights, signals a plate etc so that it's street legal. Enduro just has a headlight and taillight. Not street legal. But also less emissions restrictions so is overall typically much lighter as well
@@jrr7887 Ah, got it. Never realized they weren't street legal. thank you for the clarification.
Dual sports are road legal and enduros are very good off road. Sometimes those two overlap like with the KTM 500EXC, but more often dual sports give up some off road performance like with a KLX300 or CRF300L. Then there are pure off road enduro bikes that are generally not road legal like my WR250F or Beta 300RR. These are great off road because they're built for that reason only.
@@DifferentSpokesTV I think the WR250F of 2018 is road legal, at least here in Spain (and usually here the restrictions are more severe). I think 2019 was the last street legal. Models from 2020 on are not street legal here due to our crazy EuroX pollution restrictions. KTM, Husky, Gasgas are all street legal, even 2 stroke, but we need to have our bikes "inspected" every two years to check that they are without any modifications and many other stupid stuff. We are shooting ourselves in the foot. I want to get out of here.
You have the facts wrong about 2 stroke dirt bikes
You lost your camera
Get a trials motorcycle get the experience
Learn to stand on rough
Your not cheap, you have a brain.
Enjoy your life pre-kid.
Thanks! I'll just call it frugal from now on :)
Klx300 lol
Utah? You with a pregnant wife... Yes, 20 years from now... Or 10 years from now with the kid
We're planning on getting out there in the next three years. The kid better grow up liking adventure if they're gonna join this family :)