Thanks Grant!! Aahhh I knooowww I really miss the community, I'll be making videos again very soon with some updates! I've been working on creating a UXR master class for badass UX leaders 😍😻😄
Very good video about card sorting. Just other day I was researching rhia method and thanks to you I understand it :) To see a real case study about it would be very helpful. Keep up the good work.
Yes! I might make another video on an example, too. In short, I organized all the cards in a column in Excel, and put all the different groups formed as the row. Then in each cell in the grid would put how many times that card appeared in a certain category. After that....*drum roll*, would plug the R script from www.uxbooth.com/articles/open-card-sort-analysis-101/ and VOILA!!
Yo. Your channel is super helpful. I am a recent graduate (well kind of not really its been 10 months) and this has been pretty useful in learning what things are and when you should apply them. I really hope you continue this type of content on your channel.
Congrats on graduating! (Or belated congratulations). Thanks for your comment, I'm glad it's helpful. Let me know what other things you'd like to see and of course feel free to message me any questions you have!
@@zerotoux Thanks! Things I want to see... Well right now I'm a Jr Researcher and a lot of the time I feel like I'm just thrown into stuff and sometimes I feel like I have no idea what direction to take stuff in. How do I go about solving this problem? Usually, I'll have a kickoff meeting and then I go into talking to other stakeholder, user interviews, usability tests, and that's it. I never find myself thinking "Hmm this methodology would be useful here"
I just released a video (it's quite a longer one) of how to spice up your UX research! Yes I also get into the trap of interviews and usability tests, but sometimes you can switch it up and get different data! I think that video will be very insightful for you! th-cam.com/video/kFOpqP93qR8/w-d-xo.html
Hey Kevin! Great video. My question is, how can I convince my stakeholders that they are having an architecture problem? Where and how can I find evidence?
I haven't tried Tableau for card sorting visuals actually! I only used optimal workshop or the R script to create the dendrogram. If you try it, lemme know how it works!
I hope your eye is okay Kevin! You got my life on the part with the Kevin is Cool index card lol. Keep the videos coming! I’m going to binge watch all of them!
Hi Kevin, can you tell me if card sort and tree testing would work on trained personnel and how you would tweak it? Like a redesign of internal platform that our staff are already familiar with.
Ohh great question! I would consider baselining the experience. If they're already familiar with it, you may encounter change aversion to any new designs and retraining. BUT, just because they're familiar with it doesn't mean it's a good experience. There may be lots of inefficiencies with their workflow, which is why baselining is important. I might ask why the team is considering changing the IA in the first place, though. It's like a bullet wound stuck in your side - it hurts but it's preventing bleed out. So for the team to take the bullet out, they must be prepared for the initial pain (change aversion) that comes with it. I would ask that question if the team is receptive of that change. For the actual study, ideally you test with target non-users. Like someone who is likely to use your system, but hasn't seen it yet. Test as you normally would. If you can't, try to get new employees who aren't as familiar and do tree testing/card sorting. You might also consider who ELSE uses the interface (frequent vs. occasional users) and recruit a range of people for the study. Hell, recruit your whole company if you can!
Hello Kevin. I really appreciate and enjoy your flogs. Please keep it up. It was just what I needed to start building upon my Research skill. In depth classes on UX Research are so hard to find.
Hi Thanks for infotainment video, I have a doubt! Card Sorting is for website meanu and its tabs or it also involved in interface like where the components should go, for example: icons, images, labels?
Hi, Kevin thanks a lot in Costa Rica is very difficult to find this useful information, I would love to see how you did that diagram in Excel maybe you could make a video on Excel and UXR thanks a lot for your content. Take care
Thanks Amanda! Great question and I totally forgot to include that in the video! Anyway the TL;DR is 15 according to Jakob Nielsen and 20-30 according to Tullis and Wood. However, if you're doing it in person, because you can dig deeper, you can do it with fewer folks. 10-15 would be my suggestion. It all depends on the confidence level you want to aim for!
Hi Kevin, I wonder how are cultural differences and/or languages taken into consideration? Looking at the Zara site (is it Zara?) and how things might be categorized, I wondered how language would inform the different types of categories. So would Zara have to create different designs for every language? I say this because in Arabic interfaces move everything to the right (right to left). Do designers consider these things to reach a wider audience? This could also mean consideration across generations and tech literacy. Would asking these questions lead to an aha moment in terms of innovation?
Hey Kevin, do you have any resources that goes into greater depths about the analysis of card sorting and how to do it. This is the part that seems the most elusive . Any templates that could be shared for how to place this on spreadsheet? Or how to read a dendogram?
Hey, Can you please suggest some free online card sorting platform with at least 30-40 cards available as optimal workshop only allows up to 20 cards per study nowadays?
Hey Kevin,
I was wondering if you can do a video about analysis and synthesis of the data gathered during the card sorting study.
Thank you man.
Can you please do that card trick again??? 😂 Great video!
Thanks, Kevin!! Card SORTTTT
Kevin I love your videos and get tons of value from your humorous presentation of too often convoluted concepts. You rock! Miss your presence!
Thanks Grant!! Aahhh I knooowww I really miss the community, I'll be making videos again very soon with some updates! I've been working on creating a UXR master class for badass UX leaders 😍😻😄
Thank you for great informational video, pls create a video for a real card sorting study!
please please make the case study in real life video. And also I would not throw up the card saying Keviinnn is coolll
This video is more entertaining than informative. If only he had used a real case study instead of focusing on being cliche
Watching this video 2 years after it was posted - has the real life been conducted after all and if yes, where can I find it? Thanks!!
Thank you Kevin.
I would definitely like to see the online card sorting as well as the analysis using R or the website you mentioned !
Very good video about card sorting. Just other day I was researching rhia method and thanks to you I understand it :) To see a real case study about it would be very helpful. Keep up the good work.
Can you share more on how you were able to do that amazing cluster analysis in R?
Yes! I might make another video on an example, too. In short, I organized all the cards in a column in Excel, and put all the different groups formed as the row. Then in each cell in the grid would put how many times that card appeared in a certain category.
After that....*drum roll*, would plug the R script from www.uxbooth.com/articles/open-card-sort-analysis-101/ and VOILA!!
@@zerotoux waiting on the R Script video :D
The most entertaining but also useful card sorting video I've found so far 😂
Yes do a card sort example case study 🙏
Yo. Your channel is super helpful. I am a recent graduate (well kind of not really its been 10 months) and this has been pretty useful in learning what things are and when you should apply them. I really hope you continue this type of content on your channel.
Congrats on graduating! (Or belated congratulations). Thanks for your comment, I'm glad it's helpful. Let me know what other things you'd like to see and of course feel free to message me any questions you have!
@@zerotoux Thanks! Things I want to see... Well right now I'm a Jr Researcher and a lot of the time I feel like I'm just thrown into stuff and sometimes I feel like I have no idea what direction to take stuff in. How do I go about solving this problem? Usually, I'll have a kickoff meeting and then I go into talking to other stakeholder, user interviews, usability tests, and that's it. I never find myself thinking "Hmm this methodology would be useful here"
I just released a video (it's quite a longer one) of how to spice up your UX research! Yes I also get into the trap of interviews and usability tests, but sometimes you can switch it up and get different data! I think that video will be very insightful for you!
th-cam.com/video/kFOpqP93qR8/w-d-xo.html
Entertaining and informative! What a combination! Thanks Zero to UX!
Thank you so much! This helps so much.
Thanks for watching, Maricel!
@@zerotoux of course you explained everything so easily!
Very cool video. I wish there was a bit more on the Excel synthesis. Thank you!
This was really entertaining and valuable. Thanks, Kevin!
Hey Kevin! Great video. My question is, how can I convince my stakeholders that they are having an architecture problem? Where and how can I find evidence?
Can I use Tableau to create a visually appealing diagram after card sorting? Have you tried it?
I haven't tried Tableau for card sorting visuals actually! I only used optimal workshop or the R script to create the dendrogram. If you try it, lemme know how it works!
Kevin Liang will do. Thank you for the great content
Thank you for watching, Emad! Really appreciate it 🙂
I hope your eye is okay Kevin! You got my life on the part with the Kevin is Cool index card lol. Keep the videos coming! I’m going to binge watch all of them!
LOL uncool kids for life
Hi Kevin, can you tell me if card sort and tree testing would work on trained personnel and how you would tweak it? Like a redesign of internal platform that our staff are already familiar with.
Ohh great question! I would consider baselining the experience. If they're already familiar with it, you may encounter change aversion to any new designs and retraining.
BUT, just because they're familiar with it doesn't mean it's a good experience. There may be lots of inefficiencies with their workflow, which is why baselining is important. I might ask why the team is considering changing the IA in the first place, though. It's like a bullet wound stuck in your side - it hurts but it's preventing bleed out. So for the team to take the bullet out, they must be prepared for the initial pain (change aversion) that comes with it. I would ask that question if the team is receptive of that change.
For the actual study, ideally you test with target non-users. Like someone who is likely to use your system, but hasn't seen it yet. Test as you normally would. If you can't, try to get new employees who aren't as familiar and do tree testing/card sorting. You might also consider who ELSE uses the interface (frequent vs. occasional users) and recruit a range of people for the study. Hell, recruit your whole company if you can!
Thanks for video Kevin, I'm just a fresher in UX Design and hopefully you can share a case study for this card sorting method ❤️
love this! thank you very much! :)
Great Video. Content is very easy to understand and very much helpful.
Thanks :)
Thank for watching!!
Hello Kevin. I really appreciate and enjoy your flogs. Please keep it up. It was just what I needed to start building upon my Research skill. In depth classes on UX Research are so hard to find.
Hey Kevin! Thank you so much for your content. Keep it up 👍 and please please share the case study 🙏
Thanks for watching, Nadia!! And it'll be on my list of videos to make ✌️
Hi
Thanks for infotainment video, I have a doubt!
Card Sorting is for website meanu and its tabs or it also involved in interface like where the components should go, for example: icons, images, labels?
Hi!! You can use card sorting for all these things!
Hi, Kevin thanks a lot in Costa Rica is very difficult to find this useful information, I would love to see how you did that diagram in Excel maybe you could make a video on Excel and UXR thanks a lot for your content. Take care
yes please do an example of cardsorting both open and closed
Hey Kevin! Great video. I am wondering, is there a certain number of people that should be included in a card sort study to be most helpful?
Thanks Amanda! Great question and I totally forgot to include that in the video! Anyway the TL;DR is 15 according to Jakob Nielsen and 20-30 according to Tullis and Wood.
However, if you're doing it in person, because you can dig deeper, you can do it with fewer folks. 10-15 would be my suggestion. It all depends on the confidence level you want to aim for!
Hi Kevin, I wonder how are cultural differences and/or languages taken into consideration? Looking at the Zara site (is it Zara?) and how things might be categorized, I wondered how language would inform the different types of categories. So would Zara have to create different designs for every language? I say this because in Arabic interfaces move everything to the right (right to left). Do designers consider these things to reach a wider audience? This could also mean consideration across generations and tech literacy. Would asking these questions lead to an aha moment in terms of innovation?
Hey Kevin, do you have any resources that goes into greater depths about the analysis of card sorting and how to do it. This is the part that seems the most elusive . Any templates that could be shared for how to place this on spreadsheet? Or how to read a dendogram?
please make a video of card sorting case study
The optimal workshop only allows 30 cards, do you know of any other tool, case $99 sounds like -" I do not have"
Hey, Can you please suggest some free online card sorting platform with at least 30-40 cards available as optimal workshop only allows up to 20 cards per study nowadays?
Check out my video for Free online user testing tools!
I recommend Trello or Miro; you can "hack" a way to do it
Kevin is indeed cool :D
Do you have Instagram? I want to follow you.
@zerotoux ! 🙏😍