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My goodness, this channel is just awesome: no clickbait, only meticulously researched and well-written episodes with carefully selected photo material and thoughtful analysis, all narrated by a classic British voice. Clearly one of YT's best, thank you Mr Maguire!
Fantastic episode, thank you very much! You are a fantastic story teller and I am astonished, but not really surprised, at the machinations of privilege you expose in this case. You have covered some revelatory and intriguing cases and merit a million subs!
Apart from the defence blackening his character and supressing hers: He was shot in the back!! How on earth could this forensic evidence (which led to her immediate arrest) not have been produced in court?? Even with pressure on behalf of that despicable brat the Prince of Wales. As a brit It makes me ashamed.
Fancy English choice of words, the defense didn't object = the defense blunted any truth for the shifty prince of wales. And that prince liked S and M...
Yes, I agree with you. I think perhaps the connection with the Prince of Wales was what made this whole case in her favour as they really didnt want to provoke her wrath and cause her to tell all. I wouldnt be surprised if the Royals had a hand in this whole affair, keeping certain aspects quiet in order to get the whole sordid matter out of the way without harm to the Royal Family.
No surprises here ,after listening to this cover up.The Royals and the establishments are still at it today..as we all know.Thank you a excellent listen.
After the death of her husband and her non-conviction for his murder, Marguerite returned to Paris to live out the rest of her life. She played small parts in movies and continued to charm wealthy men until she eventually backed away from the public spotlight. She died at the age of 80, still carrying her husband’s title. She had succeeded in making affairs into a business - after she died, her grandson found that her lavish life had been funded by settlements from five different men.
Our royal family's connections with the underworld is not new to us. I remember watching the BBC news and learning that queen Elizabeth had sent a telegram with condolences to the family of Ronald Kray ! The next edition of the BBC news didn't carry this story and it wasn't repeated anywhere in the media!!!. Pictures of the Kray brothers with prince Fillip are still available on the internet. These were taken at the "Thursday club" were Fillip wasa regular, partying with the Krays and pretty actresses. He didn't really make a secret of it all. There's enough material available about his real life to make a documentary and a movie. But we know there's no chance of this happening for another 90 years or so. Your documentaries are amazingly well researched and delivered. Thank you very much. ☺️
This case may be the most shameful you have discussed. Appalling racism shown by Marshall Hall, a man I already have come to feel contempt for. That woman’s possession of the Prince of Wales’ letters was no doubt a major factor in an establishment cover up. Ironically, there was no need to worry about Alibert ruining the Princes’s reputation, he was expert at doing that himself. Totally shameful
Wow! That was a shocker! What a vile disgusting person Marshall Hall was! I wonder how many murderers he helped to escape justice? Great episode there, Thankyou 👍
hey, the monarchy must survive, right? so he was hired to make sure Marguerite got off and thus save the future king of england from massive embarrassment. i mean, he is the guy who married that gem of womanhood, mrs. simpson.
Excellent presentation for such a short piece. Reading Andrew Rose's new book on the topic. I would have mentioned that the Prince of Wales's letters were never made available to anyone (as several of the comments indicate confusion on this point) as she made sure to take precautions, having stashed them with several different people in France. And that they contained sensitive information on England's position in the war - he was stationed in France and included information that could have easily damaged the English war effort and cost hundreds of lives. He used the King's messenger to circumvent the censor's office. Prince Ali was alive when he reached the hospital at 2:55 am and was seen by Dr. Newman who pronounced him dead at 3:25 am.
At last something interesting to watch without all the adverts popping up every few minutes .Love these videos of past crimes .Keep up the good work xx
i'm sure the prince of wales' letters had a lot to do with her acquittal. the things that this family have gotten away with are monumental. the bigoted approach by completely defaming this young man were in no way acceptable. another murdering woman taking up space for the next hundred years.
It's always interesting the aspects of a person's past that can be kept out of a trial or even the press if the person is prominent , whereas if one is poor, or considered a nobody, everything including your grades in kindergarten can and will be brought up for scrutiny.
@@garyolsen3409 Yep, that's true life isn't fair it's corrupt, just like some people offer well meaning insightful comments and others offer glib and insidious ones. Just ain't fair is it gov, no wot a meen?
True. Victims are on Trial !! Treated like a criminal. ! Even when trying to get help from the police or Magistrate. Things haven't changed over the years for the rich and prominent still get off and are protected.
All these incidents seem to happen in the “small hours of the morning.” Why can’t people be in bed sleeping like normal folks at this hour?? Lol. Reminds me of that old saying, “Nothing good happens after midnight.” So, unless you’re working 3rd shift somewhere, go home and go to bed and you’ll get in a lot less trouble! 😂
As a night owl myself, I have to strongly disagree with you. I have struggled with this unnecessary social stigma for people whose clocks are ticking differently.
Having subscribed to many true crime channels for a number of years, I wonder why You Tube only saw fit to inform me of your channel's existence yesterday. I see that I have quite a bit of catching up to do and have now begun to remedy this. Wonderful vintage content with a lot of cases I was previously unaware of. I have of course subscribed to your channel now.
'Well I Never' is another excellent channel with the same quality of delivery and content that you may enjoy! I have only just discovered both of them.
I thought I'd seen ALL your productions...but a good scroll found this one for me. I truly enjoy your work. Thank you for quality time spent on a Sunday morning in Arkansas USA.
Another great video, Mark! I've watched almost all of your videos now. Up to this point I've enjoyed seeing Edward Marshall Hall pop up, but this story has soured my opinion of him somewhat. Marguerite was a loathsome creature. I'm glad she was shunned in Paris.
I cant wait for more of these stories. It fascinates me, the things were overlooked and forgiven in those days just because of the class structure. More!!!
It’s interesting to compare this case with that of Edith Thompson who was hanged in January 1923. Edith’s husband was stabbed to death by her lover and the prosecution painted her as an adulteress who had foreknowledge of what her lover was about to do. This is almost certainly not true and a catatonic Edith was hanged despite her lover saying that Edith was innocent of foreknowledge or plotting the murder. Yet Mme Fahmy walks free despite slaughtering her husband in cold blood. Of course she had money and influence. Interestingly, Marshall Hall wanted to defend Edith Thompson and to do so by refusing to allow her to give evidence. She refused so Marshall Hall refused the brief and Edith Thompson talked herself into the noose on the witness stand. Marshall Hall knew it would happen as he said she was vain and wanted to show her great love for Bywaters in court. It was her downfall. I think Edith was innocent but Marguerite Fahmy was not and yet look what happened - she walked free just nine months after Mrs Thompson was hanged!
The Edith Thompson case was a travesty of the British Judicial system, I doubt if Freddy expected to kill Percy. They hanged Edith because she committed adultery. Rene Weis wrote a brilliant book about Edith called Criminal Justice.
@@susannahhunt1831 so true - Edith’s hanging remains a terrible blot on UK ‘justice’. Everyone should read about this case however tough it is to hear the terrible details of her final days. I believe the Home Offices files on the case will be available in a couple of years (2023?).
Years ago, when I considered going to law school, I knew then, and I know now I could never have been a defense attorney. They are necessary, but I would only have been able to defend clients who were absolutely innocent of the crime. I couldn't have made a living! Excellently done, again, Mr. Maguire! :)
I like the quote I read from a defence attorney. Everyone deserves a defence, but not everyone deserves a good defence. It seems he moderated his efforts.
Did anyone notice the extreme similarity between Margarite's face when wearing the high black boots(and little else) @ 10:39 and the American woman, Wallis Simpson, that Prince Edward actually married? He definitely had a "type"
Crikey, I see what you mean. Watch Obsolete Oddity channel. He focuses on Marguerite Albert's 'relationship' with Edward. Apparently, she introduced him to shall we say the adventurous side of things. And she was is sexual mentor.
@@chuckh5999 but she had a fabulous lifestyle because of it so she was not a stupid woman; she had the best of both worlds. women enjoy sex, money and variety too.
Another great documentary. The work you’ve put into these programmes, the pace, the careful documentary of details, and your human understanding are wonderful. Thank you.
Clearly a cover-up by the establishment to prevent the Edward's letters becoming public. "...being something of an adventurous and spirited girl, she worked as a prostitute" (at 3:40 ) made me laugh out loud! I find these documentaries very relaxing to listen to and have on in the background while I'm doing something else like painting. Glad you haven't got any background music. Nice one, looking forward to the next! :)
Thanks Mel - a lot of thought definitely went into the choice of judge and prosecutor for this case. I've also got a feeling that the prosecutor got his knighthood after the case...
I find it interesting that Marguerite got away with killing the Prince but escaped justice while Edith Thompson had an affair with the man who killed her husband and even despite telling him not to harm her husband was found guilty of murder and hung. Discriminatory justice.
@@SG-1-GRC I have read that when Edith was hung, she had hemmoraged from her vagina. It is believed that she may well have been pregnant, but not certain. Regardless she should not have been there in the first place.
Golly, Marshal Hall was certainly the “go to” man if you ever killer anyone! I’ll bet OJ would have hired him if he was still alive! 🤣😂🤣 I truly love this channel ‼️‼️‼️😘😘😘
What a cold fish ! She probably did not set out to kill him at the beginning. She was just going to mess around with him for a while and make his life miserable to the point where he would be glad to give her a generous divorce. His fixation with her however, was much too strong. So she set him up. Create a scene. Booze, violent arguments, shoot him in cold blood and then claim self-defense.
Marshal Hall cannot be the single representative of the legal profession to have colluded to produce this egregious result: the Prosecution must also have acquiesced, and made little attempt to redress the distortions of the defence. As is pointed out if one continues to listen, as I just have!
I have to point out two things; first, that life as a prostitute could not have been easy and in an age when women were given very few choices as to making a living, this was sometimes all they had to fall back on. And it would have been a lousy life to my way of thinking, contributing to twisting the mind of any young woman into that of a predator. Second, if a man pursues the acquisition of money over and above that which would meet most peoples needs, he is a "successful businessman", but if a woman should do this, albeit on the backs of wealthy and complicit men, she is in the wrong. Her body was her product, she sold herself and men paid for her without a qualm. I can only imagine the level of cynicism that would engender in anyone's psyche.
Amen. “Ew she was a prostitute, how immoral.” Well you can’t be a successful prostitute without a nice big clientele full of people willing to pay you for sex. Not sure how the prostitutes have the market cornered on “immoral behavior” here... 🙄
She got away with murder because of racism. Prostitution then was more frowned upon then than now. I would say she did pretty well for herself. Also perhaps if some men were not such degenerates prostitution would fade away.
Amen. The narrator claimed: "The life of a prostitute is one of deception." What is the basis for that smear? It's disdainful and haughty, and reflects more on the narrator than the subject. This woman was a murderer and apparently a horrible person. Not all prostitutes are.
Only a few months earlier (in January 1923) Edith Thompson was hanged for the murder of her husband. The only "evidence" the prosecution had against her was a few dozen silly letters she had written to her lover Freddie Bywaters. Freddie was the real murderer. It makes me so angry to think that Edith was hanged but this woman was acquitted.
Yes indeed - I am quite familiar with the Thompson/Bywaters case... It is, of course, known as one of the great injustices in Britain because of the harsh treatment Edith received, where there was, at least, reasonable doubt. One of those cases, I think, where the satisfaction of public morality becomes confused with the administration of justice.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder I think people were quite prejudiced back then. Rene Weis said in his book Criminal Justice that Edith was hanged for adultery.
I agree, double, double standards poor Edith probably knew nothing of her lovers attentions to kill. She was trapped in a marriage with an abusive husband but was hanged anyway. Shocking miscarriage of justice.
And therein lies some of my opposition to the death penalty. Especially from the last decade of the 19th century until the death penalty was abolished in much of western Europe, whether or not you were sentenced to death and the penalty carried out was very much a lottery. There were people who committed some fairly nasty crimes who seem to have only spent a few years behind bars, there were others who may or may not have been guilty but whose lives were taken from them.
Things haven’t changed, it seems some royals are still behaving badly. On the contrary, the speaker tone of voice , is excellent, I have never enjoyed such a audio speaker
Thank you for another fascinating case. One issue I don't understand - what was her motive for murder? Was she not better off just to continue with her original plan to file for divorce at a later date?
I doubt it was a planned killing. She intended a planned divorce. It's likely she was angry and it was a heat of the moment thing. I've seen a drama about this. It exposed the racism and prejudice of the solicitors involved and that of others. Admittedly it was intended to entertain but substantially based on the facts. Marshall Hall behaved deplorably as did all involved.
@@SG-1-GRC I suspect that the entire trial had a predetermined outcome generated by the same people behind multiple cover-ups around the lifelong shenanigans of the current Duke of Sussex... (Sorry for the weird sentence construction!)
Many thanks - yes, they are not really "who dunnits" but hopefully a careful consideration of the case and often that includes some surprises along the way!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder No doubt at all as to the care with which you research and analyse the evidence; this coupled with the calm way you present it makes it irresistible and an added bonus....No adverts! Thank you for bringing a new delight to lunchtimes!
@@hibaelrayah9916 Men's needs are remarkably few: Regular and interesting sex, and good food. This is how dupes like Harry were ensnared. But most men like food and sex {Not necessarily in that order} but the most recent case in the Royal Family made good use of the Prince's damaged psyché to be a 'Courtesan' Cook and Mommy rolled into one.
The Prince was a handsome young man. You’d think being a Muslim that he’d have been more careful in selecting a wife. Young people do seem to be impulsive and careless though. We’ve all been there at one time or another. Like Oscar Wilde once said, “Experience is the hardest kind of teacher. It gives you the test first and the lesson afterward.” Another enjoyable character examination by you, sir! 👍
We all have different values, but I personally find it a distasteful activity which debases human relations on both side of the equation. I would view them negatively - I am sure that most people would, but it is a matter of personal taste.
I think she did bear him a son - and her wanting to avoid that is the 'necessary operation' for which her husband refused to pay. So she killed him. Marshall Hall was aware that 'The sheik' had been very widely read in Europe, and that almost every work of fiction, at that time, whether in books or in newspaper serials had as villain a 'greasy-locked Oriental'. Britain's xenophobia before the wars was why Hitler assumed Britain would become his own partner rather than an unyielding opponent.
Dr. Edward Gordon examined her at the Savoy on July 4th - she had external hemorrhoids that were inflamed. He examined her again on the 5th & the 6th. She was scheduled for surgical consultation in London but cancelled it on the 9th claiming she wanted to go to Paris for the consultation.
She was a real piece of work! That young prince didn't have a chance! Thank you Mark for your wonderful story telling! Please don't stop !!! What a voice you have 😊.
How many people who were guilty as charged did Hall get off...Under no circumstances were everyone of his clients genuinely not guilty..so is it justice that a fair trial is the least the accused can expect or is it justice that a not guilty verdict can be reached by manipulation and coercion of the jurors perceptions so as to 'cause' them to find the guilty not guilty.
@@richiebcarric31 Absolutely, both good points. It is, or should be, a part of the process to avoid miscarriages of justice by 'tightening up the rules' or whatever. And maybe, or hoopefully (!!), a part of the education system and example set by our 'great and glorious leaders' that such prejudice and or corruption is minimised - I don't think we'll get rid of it. As for justice favouring those that can pay ... well, imo, we are headed further and further in that direction :-(
I may as well get a Divorce as I'm married to your channel. Please let me be close to all you've done. Fantastic work , Great research and story telling
Great narration and story but I always wonder why the prostitutes are painted as horrible, manipulative people and the “gentlemen” who are involved with them are just “prey” or tricked somehow. The customers are the ones paying to play out their own depravity while the prostitute is usually someone born into poverty who is trying to survive with their only perceived “value” being their “favors.”
Surely that depend on the prostitute and the case? Do you really want to defend this creature? I don't think the narrator is doing anything other than reflecting the views of the time in relation to the case.
I don't think the narrator is suggesting all prostitutes are manipulative, but that this particular one was so. Certainly she always targeted rich men. Money was clearly her key motivation. She was not starving on the streets at that point. And with so many other wealthy keepers its very likely that if she was prepared to lead a less glamorous existence she could have probably left that career behind years earlier. I took his remarks about her past as related to looking at her psychology and what had created it and how it aligns to her being a killer. Few prostitutes have the level of self determination this woman had. They don't have Princes and wealthy influencers in their pocket.
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He slept with a woman who kept a firearm beneath her pillow!!?? She was a cunning cesspool..🤔
The love of her life was money...🤔
My goodness, this channel is just awesome: no clickbait, only meticulously researched and well-written episodes with carefully selected photo material and thoughtful analysis, all narrated by a classic British voice. Clearly one of YT's best, thank you Mr Maguire!
Glad you enjoy it - thank you!
Marshal Hall.Vile man.
The poor man he didn't have a chance. Thanks again for all you do to present these interesting cases to the masses.
Thank you, Michael!
men never have when a woman murders them
Absolutely fantastic channel
Thank you very much!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Your voice is eminently ''Cozy''...warm and reminds me of long ago.
I have fallen under the spell of your voice and these pieces of history! Awesome stuff this!👏❤️
Fantastic episode, thank you very much! You are a fantastic story teller and I am astonished, but not really surprised, at the machinations of privilege you expose in this case. You have covered some revelatory and intriguing cases and merit a million subs!
Thank you - I greatly appreciate your kind words!
Apart from the defence blackening his character and supressing hers: He was shot in the back!! How on earth could this forensic evidence (which led to her immediate arrest) not have been produced in court??
Even with pressure on behalf of that despicable brat the Prince of Wales. As a brit It makes me ashamed.
Fancy English choice of words, the defense didn't object = the defense blunted any truth for the shifty prince of wales. And that prince liked S and M...
Why should you be ashamed,it’s been a practice for a long time that aristocrats have a different scale of justice .
Yes, I agree with you. I think perhaps the connection with the Prince of Wales was what made this whole case in her favour as they really didnt want to provoke her wrath and cause her to tell all. I wouldnt be surprised if the Royals had a hand in this whole affair, keeping certain aspects quiet in order to get the whole sordid matter out of the way without harm to the Royal Family.
No surprises here ,after listening to this cover up.The Royals and the establishments are still at it today..as we all know.Thank you a excellent listen.
So what is your solution?
After the death of her husband and her non-conviction for his murder, Marguerite returned to Paris to live out the rest of her life. She played small parts in movies and continued to charm wealthy men until she eventually backed away from the public spotlight. She died at the age of 80, still carrying her husband’s title. She had succeeded in making affairs into a business - after she died, her grandson found that her lavish life had been funded by settlements from five different men.
@@annmac5642 what's all that? 😂
@@heathers7265 Possibly some kind of seizure?
Wow!
What a witch 🧙♀️
@@mahahassan369 she didn't force men to give her money. they were just plain stupid.
Another right lovely narration ♥️
Thank you very much, Sandra!
A channel of excellence. I am so glad I found this. Thank you for the wonderful narration. I was riveted.
Our royal family's connections with the underworld is not new to us. I remember watching the BBC news and learning that queen Elizabeth had sent a telegram with condolences to the family of Ronald Kray !
The next edition of the BBC news didn't carry this story and it wasn't repeated anywhere in the media!!!.
Pictures of the Kray brothers with prince Fillip are still available on the internet.
These were taken at the "Thursday club" were Fillip wasa regular, partying with the Krays and pretty actresses. He didn't really make a secret of it all.
There's enough material available about his real life to make a documentary and a movie.
But we know there's no chance of this happening for another 90 years or so.
Your documentaries are amazingly well researched and delivered. Thank you very much. ☺️
This case may be the most shameful you have discussed. Appalling racism shown by Marshall Hall, a man I already have come to feel contempt for. That woman’s possession of the Prince of Wales’ letters was no doubt a major factor in an establishment cover up. Ironically, there was no need to worry about Alibert ruining the Princes’s reputation, he was expert at doing that himself. Totally shameful
Wow! That was a shocker! What a vile disgusting person Marshall Hall was! I wonder how many murderers he helped to escape justice? Great episode there, Thankyou 👍
Excellent entertainment along with professionally British voice overs.thank you for your considerate manner. Much appreciation in watching it.
Exactly what I feel whenever Marshall Hall’s name comes up in Mark’s wonderful accounts. I feel so sad for gullible Farmi.
hey, the monarchy must survive, right? so he was hired to make sure Marguerite got off and thus save the future king of england from massive embarrassment. i mean, he is the guy who married that gem of womanhood, mrs. simpson.
everyone deserves a defense right .. you want the system to work for Everyone..
I had heard this case before, but of course your version, as usual, delved so much deeper. When you tell it, it comes alive.
Agree
This was phenomenal! Best crime narration I have heard so far! You have a new subscriber.
Thank you, Jamie!
Excellent presentation for such a short piece. Reading Andrew Rose's new book on the topic. I would have mentioned that the Prince of Wales's letters were never made available to anyone (as several of the comments indicate confusion on this point) as she made sure to take precautions, having stashed them with several different people in France. And that they contained sensitive information on England's position in the war - he was stationed in France and included information that could have easily damaged the English war effort and cost hundreds of lives. He used the King's messenger to circumvent the censor's office. Prince Ali was alive when he reached the hospital at 2:55 am and was seen by Dr. Newman who pronounced him dead at 3:25 am.
Thank you for additional information and clarification, Brian.
At last something interesting to watch without all the adverts popping up every few minutes .Love these videos of past crimes .Keep up the good work xx
i'm sure the prince of wales' letters had a lot to do with her acquittal.
the things that this family have gotten away with are monumental. the bigoted approach by completely defaming this young man were in no way acceptable. another murdering woman taking up space for the next hundred years.
I have been binge watching all of these and Im on the last 5 or so now! I hope you are still doing them!
Thank you, Julie - that's nice to know! I am doing them but not anything like as fast as you are watching them, unfortunately! :)
It's always interesting the aspects of a person's past that can be kept out of a trial or even the press if the person is prominent , whereas if one is poor, or considered a nobody, everything including your grades in kindergarten can and will be brought up for scrutiny.
kind of like poor people drive 12 yr old Honda Civics and rich people drive luxury cars. Life just isn't fair, is it?
@@garyolsen3409 Yep, that's true life isn't fair it's corrupt, just like some people offer well meaning insightful comments and others offer glib and insidious ones. Just ain't fair is it gov, no wot a meen?
True. Victims are on Trial !! Treated like a criminal. ! Even when trying to get help from the police or Magistrate. Things haven't changed over the years for the rich and prominent still get off and are protected.
Interesting isn’t the best word. More like ‘infuriating’.
@@garyolsen3409 what can you possibly mean by “life”?
Love that I found this channel I love historical true crime 👍
Good to see another upload. I've been waiting for my next fix...
Thanks Ted - I am just starting my second series and am planning another 8 in this!
You do thorough excellent investigative work for your crime videos.
Great presentation, superb old style narration and thoroughly researched. TY
Really. Old World style. Authentic. Lost. By the present time world.
I've been watching documentaries on Marguerite, and yours is one of the best. Thank You for your content, new subscriber here.☺️
You're very kind - thank you, Erica!
These poor hapless men that are dragged kicking and screaming to visit a prostitute or in the case of wealth..... a courtesan.
All these incidents seem to happen in the “small hours of the morning.” Why can’t people be in bed sleeping like normal folks at this hour?? Lol. Reminds me of that old saying, “Nothing good happens after midnight.” So, unless you’re working 3rd shift somewhere, go home and go to bed and you’ll get in a lot less trouble! 😂
Ha! Absolutely! Also, these people need a hobby. As my mum used to say to me "The devil finds work for idle hands!"... stay well, :)
Melanie Maguire absolutely! A nice quiet hobby like knitting...or pottery making. 😂 you stay well too!
My mom said 10 o'clock!!
As a night owl myself, I have to strongly disagree with you. I have struggled with this unnecessary social stigma for people whose clocks are ticking differently.
You sound like my mama
I really enjoy your work. I will be sharing it with people.
Thank you very much!
Having subscribed to many true crime channels for a number of years, I wonder why You Tube only saw fit to inform me of your channel's existence yesterday. I see that I have quite a bit of catching up to do and have now begun to remedy this. Wonderful vintage content with a lot of cases I was previously unaware of. I have of course subscribed to your channel now.
Thank you, Toni - I am so glad you like it! I have given up trying to understand the youtube algorithm - it is beyond me!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder : I am a new subscriber, and LOVE your channel!
Thank you 😊❤️
'Well I Never' is another excellent channel with the same quality of delivery and content that you may enjoy! I have only just discovered both of them.
An intriguing tale beautifully delivered. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I thought I'd seen ALL your productions...but a good scroll found this one for me. I truly enjoy your work. Thank you for quality time spent on a Sunday morning in Arkansas USA.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Another great video, Mark! I've watched almost all of your videos now. Up to this point I've enjoyed seeing Edward Marshall Hall pop up, but this story has soured my opinion of him somewhat. Marguerite was a loathsome creature. I'm glad she was shunned in Paris.
I wonder if Mr. Hall wasn't given a very specific scenario under duress by " certain parties" that had to be played out...
I wouldn't be surprised if she blackmailed the UK Royal family with the letters from Edward, to be able to live in an apartment in central Paris.
obviously the legal system was "got at".
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MOUSE TRAP !
Good old royalty at it again
Of course! She even murdered to get what she wanted!
I just love this channel I’ve been binge watching these videos for days now 😁
Glad you like them, Leigh - thank you.
Good to see this channel racking up the subs. Great production values and stories.
Many thanks, Mike.
Excellent writing and narration. Thank you. 👌💕
I cant wait for more of these stories. It fascinates me, the things were overlooked and forgiven in those days just because of the class structure.
More!!!
It still is alive and well
IMHO the absolute best narration on TH-cam. Many thanks.
Glad you think so! Thank you!
It’s interesting to compare this case with that of Edith Thompson who was hanged in January 1923. Edith’s husband was stabbed to death by her lover and the prosecution painted her as an adulteress who had foreknowledge of what her lover was about to do. This is almost certainly not true and a catatonic Edith was hanged despite her lover saying that Edith was innocent of foreknowledge or plotting the murder. Yet Mme Fahmy walks free despite slaughtering her husband in cold blood. Of course she had money and influence. Interestingly, Marshall Hall wanted to defend Edith Thompson and to do so by refusing to allow her to give evidence. She refused so Marshall Hall refused the brief and Edith Thompson talked herself into the noose on the witness stand. Marshall Hall knew it would happen as he said she was vain and wanted to show her great love for Bywaters in court. It was her downfall. I think Edith was innocent but Marguerite Fahmy was not and yet look what happened - she walked free just nine months after Mrs Thompson was hanged!
I am familiar with the case, but not that Marshall Hall had refused the brief. It's a pity she wasn't guided by him - it was a tragic case.
The Edith Thompson case was a travesty of the British Judicial system, I doubt if Freddy expected to kill Percy. They hanged Edith because she committed adultery. Rene Weis wrote a brilliant book about Edith called Criminal Justice.
@@susannahhunt1831 I agree with you. Rene Weis now has a website about the case.
@@susannahhunt1831 so true - Edith’s hanging remains a terrible blot on UK ‘justice’. Everyone should read about this case however tough it is to hear the terrible details of her final days. I believe the Home Offices files on the case will be available in a couple of years (2023?).
Edith was pregnant, they say.
Years ago, when I considered going to law school, I knew then, and I know now I could never have been a defense attorney. They are necessary, but I would only have been able to defend clients who were absolutely innocent of the crime. I couldn't have made a living! Excellently done, again, Mr. Maguire! :)
I understand that sentiment indeed, Kathleen!
I like the quote I read from a defence attorney.
Everyone deserves a defence, but not everyone deserves a good defence.
It seems he moderated his efforts.
*Once again, you've given us an **_EXCELLENT_** Summation!!*
Glad you think so - thank you!
Listening again. One of my favourites. Love this channel
Thanks for listening
Very eye opening account. This is rapidly becoming one of my favorite channels. Thanks for a great narration.
Glad you enjoy it!
This is absolutely brilliant. Such a good video
How appalling this is. What a terrible thing to say about this young man
such a beautifully narrated story. excellent thank you.
Thank you for another great murder story..You keep us engrossed until the end
Thank you, Kim!
Seams to me that the Prince of Wales dodged a bullet there !
He dodged an even more serious "bullet" after the war....a possible charge of treason with his alleged Nazi associations
He probably was key in her acquittal
Excellent. Thank you
Did anyone notice the extreme similarity between Margarite's face when wearing the high black boots(and little else) @ 10:39 and the American woman, Wallis Simpson, that Prince Edward actually married? He definitely had a "type"
Yes i had to blink twice!
Except it's clearly not her picture but that of a random prostitute, shown there to illustrate the subject of prostitution in that era.
Crikey, I see what you mean. Watch Obsolete Oddity channel. He focuses on Marguerite Albert's 'relationship' with Edward. Apparently, she introduced him to shall we say the adventurous side of things. And she was is sexual mentor.
Simpson was ugly.. inside and out
Like Markle.
@@sagansrun2932 Like your mama
Remember this from many many years thank you for posting, I read about it now I can hear and see it on youtube.
Thank you for the video.
Brilliantly assembled and presented; thank you for your work.
Many thanks!
Enjoyed your narration very much. Thank you🥀
Thank you too!
One of your best Mr Mark! Thank you seems a bit shallow for the analysis and creativity. 🙏
I enjoy your stories! It’s an avuncular experience, listening to an uncle recount stories from long ago.
Thank you, once again a for an interesting case from the past
My pleasure!
“i ain’t saying she’s a gold digger”-but she was totally a gold-digger lol and murderess
and also the village bike too!
@@chuckh5999 but she had a fabulous lifestyle because of it so she was not a stupid woman; she had the best of both worlds. women enjoy sex, money and variety too.
Dark triad
Thank you Mark. I appreciate every story you give us. Each one better than the last, take care and keep up the great work😏
Excellent writing! Exquisite narrating!
Thank you, Susan - I am delighted you liked it!
Another great documentary. The work you’ve put into these programmes, the pace, the careful documentary of details, and your human understanding are wonderful. Thank you.
Thank you - I very much appreciate your comment, and am glad you like them.
Clearly a cover-up by the establishment to prevent the Edward's letters becoming public. "...being something of an adventurous and spirited girl, she worked as a prostitute" (at 3:40 ) made me laugh out loud! I find these documentaries very relaxing to listen to and have on in the background while I'm doing something else like painting. Glad you haven't got any background music. Nice one, looking forward to the next! :)
Thanks Mel - a lot of thought definitely went into the choice of judge and prosecutor for this case. I've also got a feeling that the prosecutor got his knighthood after the case...
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Did Marshall Hall ever defend an innocent person I wonder?
I'm struggling to think of one!
The prejudices he speaks about shamefully still continues today
Yes. Mobilizing racism still works.
@@siusaidhchaimbeul5499 They work both ways.
I find it interesting that Marguerite got away with killing the Prince but escaped justice while Edith Thompson had an affair with the man who killed her husband and even despite telling him not to harm her husband was found guilty of murder and hung. Discriminatory justice.
Indeed!
Wasnt Edith Thompson pregnant at the time? I may be confused with another case but I think they hung a pregnant woman.
@@SG-1-GRC I have read that when Edith was hung, she had hemmoraged from her vagina. It is believed that she may well have been pregnant, but not certain. Regardless she should not have been there in the first place.
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Golly, Marshal Hall was certainly the “go to” man if you ever killer anyone! I’ll bet OJ would have hired him if he was still alive! 🤣😂🤣
I truly love this channel ‼️‼️‼️😘😘😘
I think you're right - he really would stop at nothing to get his man (or woman) off a charge! Thanks!
The guy OJ had was pretty shit hot though
Cricket O J didn’t do it.
LeiLani get real‼️‼️
Cricket He didn’t stab two adults high on cocaine single handily ⁉️
Thank you for another interesting case
What a cold fish !
She probably did not set out to kill him at the beginning.
She was just going to mess around with him for a while and make his life miserable to the point where he would be glad to give her a generous divorce.
His fixation with her however, was much too strong.
So she set him up. Create a scene. Booze, violent arguments, shoot him in cold blood and then claim self-defense.
Marshal Hall cannot be the single representative of the legal profession to have colluded to produce this egregious result: the Prosecution must also have acquiesced, and made little attempt to redress the distortions of the defence. As is pointed out if one continues to listen, as I just have!
She kept a diary of his abusive behaviour but forgot to include her own. Maybe swinging a wine bottle around your head like nunchucks doesn't count 🤔.
Just a typical woman
Lol
Sounds like the prince of Wales may have protected her
I have to point out two things; first, that life as a prostitute could not have been easy and in an age when women were given very few choices as to making a living, this was sometimes all they had to fall back on. And it would have been a lousy life to my way of thinking, contributing to twisting the mind of any young woman into that of a predator. Second, if a man pursues the acquisition of money over and above that which would meet most peoples needs, he is a "successful businessman", but if a woman should do this, albeit on the backs of wealthy and complicit men, she is in the wrong. Her body was her product, she sold herself and men paid for her without a qualm. I can only imagine the level of cynicism that would engender in anyone's psyche.
This, times one hundred.
Well said!
Amen. “Ew she was a prostitute, how immoral.” Well you can’t be a successful prostitute without a nice big clientele full of people willing to pay you for sex. Not sure how the prostitutes have the market cornered on “immoral behavior” here... 🙄
She got away with murder because of racism. Prostitution then was more frowned upon then than now. I would say she did pretty well for herself. Also perhaps if some men were not such degenerates prostitution would fade away.
Amen. The narrator claimed: "The life of a prostitute is one of deception." What is the basis for that smear? It's disdainful and haughty, and reflects more on the narrator than the subject. This woman was a murderer and apparently a horrible person. Not all prostitutes are.
This video, although morbid in it's character, was very well done and interesting to watch. The narrator has a wonderful speaking voice.
How did I miss this? I think I now am caught up. Thanks, Mark.
Thank you, too!
Fascinating cases, superb raconteur. Thank you for these.
Thank you - I am glad you have enjoyed them.
Excellent production , and so incisive. Keep working !
So interesting, thankyou and your voice is so calming.
Only a few months earlier (in January 1923) Edith Thompson was hanged for the murder of her husband. The only "evidence" the prosecution had against her was a few dozen silly letters she had written to her lover Freddie Bywaters. Freddie was the real murderer. It makes me so angry to think that Edith was hanged but this woman was acquitted.
Yes indeed - I am quite familiar with the Thompson/Bywaters case... It is, of course, known as one of the great injustices in Britain because of the harsh treatment Edith received, where there was, at least, reasonable doubt. One of those cases, I think, where the satisfaction of public morality becomes confused with the administration of justice.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder I think people were quite prejudiced back then. Rene Weis said in his book Criminal Justice that Edith was hanged for adultery.
@@taika.melissa2798 Yes, it played a big part, I'm sure! It probably still does - but to a lesser extent.
I agree, double, double standards poor Edith probably knew nothing of her lovers attentions to kill. She was trapped in a marriage with an abusive husband but was hanged anyway. Shocking miscarriage of justice.
And therein lies some of my opposition to the death penalty. Especially from the last decade of the 19th century until the death penalty was abolished in much of western Europe, whether or not you were sentenced to death and the penalty carried out was very much a lottery.
There were people who committed some fairly nasty crimes who seem to have only spent a few years behind bars, there were others who may or may not have been guilty but whose lives were taken from them.
Things haven’t changed, it seems some royals are still behaving badly. On the contrary, the speaker tone of voice , is excellent, I have never enjoyed such a audio speaker
At least she do not succeed in getting her greasy mitts on her dead husband's fortune
I truly agree and I wouldn't even blame his family . Things would have been different if the marriage had never taken place .
Fantastic, high quality and well researched video as always, although I did wince slightly when Edward was referred to as "The Future King of England"
In 1923 he was the future king!
Thank you for another fascinating case. One issue I don't understand - what was her motive for murder? Was she not better off just to continue with her original plan to file for divorce at a later date?
She expected to get that money.
I doubt it was a planned killing. She intended a planned divorce. It's likely she was angry and it was a heat of the moment thing. I've seen a drama about this. It exposed the racism and prejudice of the solicitors involved and that of others. Admittedly it was intended to entertain but substantially based on the facts. Marshall Hall behaved deplorably as did all involved.
@@SG-1-GRC I suspect that the entire trial had a predetermined outcome generated by the same people behind multiple cover-ups around the lifelong shenanigans of the current Duke of Sussex... (Sorry for the weird sentence construction!)
Fascinating as ever - I am really hooked on your series - I suppose the only disappointment is that the outcome is given away in the title!
Many thanks - yes, they are not really "who dunnits" but hopefully a careful consideration of the case and often that includes some surprises along the way!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder No doubt at all as to the care with which you research and analyse the evidence; this coupled with the calm way you present it makes it irresistible and an added bonus....No adverts! Thank you for bringing a new delight to lunchtimes!
@@kudu42 Thank you for appreciating them!
I just came across the channel, as well. Excellent in every regard. Happy to subscribe.
It’s just the same as what’s happening in the present monarchy in 🇬🇧. More than 3 cases? 🤣
Indeed.
It's astonishing how things don't change
@@hibaelrayah9916 Men's needs are remarkably few: Regular and interesting sex, and good food. This is how dupes like Harry were ensnared.
But most men like food and sex {Not necessarily in that order} but the most recent case in the Royal Family made good use of the Prince's damaged psyché to be a 'Courtesan' Cook and Mommy rolled into one.
being a royal doesn't EXCLUDE you from being human...MILLIONS of people have affairs with hookers...but when a royal does the world ends :)
Good documentary . Splendid job . 😎
Many thanks!
I don’t know if this is proper but anyway: I haven’t smoked in 30 years but that first drag oh my! Love it!!!! Thank you
Good for you - nor have I, and please consider this: the man who lights the cigarette gets shot! ;)
Me too! it would be tormenting to listen to when trying to quit !
Brilliantly written and delivered. Superb example of how the law is conditioned by the cultural norms of time and circumstance.
I agree - many thanks, Barry!
Excellent review of this case. !!!!!
The Prince was a handsome young man. You’d think being a Muslim that he’d have been more careful in selecting a wife. Young people do seem to be impulsive and careless though. We’ve all been there at one time or another. Like Oscar Wilde once said, “Experience is the hardest kind of teacher. It gives you the test first and the lesson afterward.” Another enjoyable character examination by you, sir! 👍
Why do you equate prostitution with dishonesty?!
We all have different values, but I personally find it a distasteful activity which debases human relations on both side of the equation. I would view them negatively - I am sure that most people would, but it is a matter of personal taste.
Good question. He did not have a good answer.
Her maid was sitting on a gold mine. Imagine what those letters would be worth now!! Even back then they were valuable
I think she did bear him a son - and her wanting to avoid that is the 'necessary operation' for which her husband refused to pay. So she killed him. Marshall Hall was aware that 'The sheik' had been very widely read in Europe, and that almost every work of fiction, at that time, whether in books or in newspaper serials had as villain a 'greasy-locked Oriental'. Britain's xenophobia before the wars was why Hitler assumed Britain would become his own partner rather than an unyielding opponent.
Dr. Edward Gordon examined her at the Savoy on July 4th - she had external hemorrhoids that were inflamed. He examined her again on the 5th & the 6th. She was scheduled for surgical consultation in London but cancelled it on the 9th claiming she wanted to go to Paris for the consultation.
@@briansmith9439 uuuugh.ouch !😁😆
She was a real piece of work! That young prince didn't have a chance! Thank you Mark for your wonderful story telling! Please don't stop !!! What a voice you have 😊.
Edward Marshall Hall was the great defender only if you could pay
How many people who were guilty as charged did Hall get off...Under no circumstances were everyone of his clients genuinely not guilty..so is it justice that a fair trial is the least the accused can expect or is it justice that a not guilty verdict can be reached by manipulation and coercion of the jurors perceptions so as to 'cause' them to find the guilty not guilty.
@@richiebcarric31 Absolutely, both good points. It is, or should be, a part of the process to avoid miscarriages of justice by 'tightening up the rules' or whatever. And maybe, or hoopefully (!!), a part of the education system and example set by our 'great and glorious leaders' that such prejudice and or corruption is minimised - I don't think we'll get rid of it. As for justice favouring those that can pay ... well, imo, we are headed further and further in that direction :-(
@@BassGoBomb you are right. Money is everything. Virtue and justice are now seen as old fashioned concepts by our politicians.
I may as well get a Divorce as I'm married to your channel. Please let me be close to all you've done. Fantastic work , Great research and story telling
Thank you, Dave!!!
Great work Thankyou
3-4-5-6 sounds an awful like a certain young lady visiting the U.K. high courts with the Sun newspaper!
Dear sir. I love your voice. It brings me much comfort.
Great narration and story but I always wonder why the prostitutes are painted as horrible, manipulative people and the “gentlemen” who are involved with them are just “prey” or tricked somehow. The customers are the ones paying to play out their own depravity while the prostitute is usually someone born into poverty who is trying to survive with their only perceived “value” being their “favors.”
Surely that depend on the prostitute and the case? Do you really want to defend this creature? I don't think the narrator is doing anything other than reflecting the views of the time in relation to the case.
I don't think the narrator is suggesting all prostitutes are manipulative, but that this particular one was so. Certainly she always targeted rich men. Money was clearly her key motivation. She was not starving on the streets at that point. And with so many other wealthy keepers its very likely that if she was prepared to lead a less glamorous existence she could have probably left that career behind years earlier.
I took his remarks about her past as related to looking at her psychology and what had created it and how it aligns to her being a killer. Few prostitutes have the level of self determination this woman had. They don't have Princes and wealthy influencers in their pocket.