The Peasenhall Murder: William Gardiner 1902 by Mark John Maguire
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- The rumours concerning the Primitive Methodist elder and the servant girl in chapel became the scandal of the sleepy Suffolk village of Peasenhall in 1901. They were also the prelude to a brutal murder for which William Gardiner was tried twice. He has the unusual distinction of having never had any verdict returned against him in spite of this...
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"Ever vigilant of other people's virtue, as if by exercising such vigilance they had in some way increased their own virtue." A great line about busybodies.
Tim Zambra you said in two sentences what I wrote in a short novel. .. I concur ..and still think it is the papa. Thank you. They Got Away With Murder is great to listen ,
He exposes very well the malice of some religious to the outside, respecting the real religious, felt people.
This line is absolute guff exposing the animus of non-religious people towards those who take their religious beliefs and standards seriously. The problem was Rouse didn't do what he should have done. He should have confronted Gardiner in the church publicly regarding Gardiner's iniquitous adultery with that poor servant girl. If Rouse had really been "vigilant of other people's virtue" Rose would not have been murdered.
There isn’t a finer writer in the world.
@@cadaverdog1424 You don't get out much, do you.
I have to say, of all the true crime narrations on TH-cam "They Got Away with Murder" is by far the best. So well researched and presented!! I love the crimes of mid-1800s to mid-1900s, and so many arsenic poisonings. Please upload anew one soon🙂
Many thanks indeed for your kind comment, Andy - it is an arduous process but I am very much on it!
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I agree wholeheartedly. Excellent channel.
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I must say Mr Maguire that you really are rather good at this. You deserve all the plaudits you receive. You craft each episode with a talent, flair & artistry that is a true pleasure to watch. Thank you sir, very much.
Thank you very much indeed!
Poor girl. That moment of realization that the man who has been nothing but affectionate was killing her... Gardiner was of a particular evil to kill a pregnant woman... a woman carrying HIS child! Very heartless and cowardly. His wife must have lived in fear until the end, although we can't know the nature of her complicity, whether it was out of fear or as a willing accomplice. Very sad story.
Thank you for the great uploads. Really a terrific channel. Take care. Stay strong.
Many thanks - you are most kind!
@@SY-ok2dq They were both immoral and sure it was pretty dumb of her but then again, she was younger and naive and poor/uneducated. Probably got seduced by his pretty words and sweet promises. Men like Gardener will stick his sausage in anything and everything. If he didn’t live in such a small community where everyone knew each other, she would not have been the only pie he stuck his sausage in. I guarantee you that. She was probably the easiest and willing target.
I feel badly for her for the simple fact that she was clearly taken advantaged of by him. She wasn’t an amoral girl who would flirt and behave inappropriately with anyone or everyone. She was smitten by whatever false promises he’d given her and then her short life taken because he couldn’t keep his willy in his pants. Manipulative, calculating, evil SOB, I hope he’s getting repeatedly done up the arse by a hot burning iron cactus in Hell right now.... with Rose administering it of course. ☺️
@@kotorisama3080 absolutely great comment 👍👌
There are so many murders where people's motive = "I couldn't look Society in the eye if
(my mistress had a child)
(I got a divorce)
(I told my family that
--I dropped out of school
--I lost my job
--my fiance/e broke it off
--etc.)...
So, here's a solution:
I'll kill them all."
Every single time, I'm astounded anew.
@@SY-ok2dq 30years later in 1935 Vicar Chad Varah performed the service at the funeral of a girl who committed suicide when she started to menstruate and feared what it was.
It is unwise to assume what young people didn't or didn't know about sex, how women got pregnant etc when there was zero sex education.
The bible and the vagaries of it's descriptions would not necessarily have informed her the consequencies of her actions.
Chad Varah went on to found The Samaritans which still exists today for all those desperately suicidal can call and get none judgemental support.
Well done! Fine editing. I feel so sad for that young woman. The photo of her father at her gravesite was perfect right before the ending. She was someone she was loved. Thank you.
Thank you, Addie - it made me feel a little better at the end also!
I gazed at that final photo for a long time, too.
So poignant...so very sorrowful
@@karaamundson3964 If you listen to who knew all that was going on, received two letters from the accused, knew she was pregnant , knew the ways to her rooms, the last letter to her to leave her light that fateful night? The writing was doubted who wrote it, and that little bottle Rose saved, who would know it and where it was to hold the gas used to burn her? Her Dad, the one standing in the last photo at her grave. He had a long list of prestigious standing in the community.. it was being tainted by her, what do you think?
Excellently done, again, Mr. Maguire! This was a truly evil man. I am a little surprised, but heartened that the community felt sorry for Rose, and even gave her a nice headstone in the end.
Your writing, narration is excellent. Thank you.
Many thanks, Michael!
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What a heartbreaking story! You truly are a wonderful story teller. Please don't stop doing what you are doing. I love your voice 💕
Thank you so much, Jacque!
At 27:21 of the video. I'm imagining his attorney telling him to deny everything and can't help remembering Blackadder:"Deny everything, Baldrick!"
George: "Are you Private Baldrick?"
Baldrick: "No, I am not!"
George: "But you are Captain Blackadder's batman?"
Baldrick: "No!"
George: "Come on Baldrick, be a bit more helpful, it's me!"
Baldrick: "No it isn't!"
Great comment!
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Ditto!
Always interesting. I really like Maguire's own illustrations at certain points when there are no other media to illustrate the story. I always am interested in what happens afterward and Maguire gives good details.
Thank you, Diane .
The narrator's voice is excellent. Perfect for purpose.
He sounds like Alfred Hitchcock
Thank you, Rick - I beg your pardon for not replying sooner, I have only just seen this by chance.
I know. His narration is what makes this perfect to watch.
Reminds of War of the World's,
@@klyanadkmorr I thought more like Boris Karloff. But he's an amazing storyteller in any case. I'm loving this channel!
I don't think Mr. Gardiner did it. Someone knew she was pregnant, and knew all the gossip, whether it was true or not. That is who committed the murder.
A haunting tale, and yet, a sadly familiar one.
The number of "inconvenient" women cruelly disposed of in similar circumstances throughout history can only be guessed at.
It is comforting to know that, despite all Gardiner's efforts to preserve his image, position and family, these were still lost.
Feigning Christian virtue, he nevertheless knew the Savior had said that for those who corrupt or harm the young and innocent, it would be better if they had never been born.
He and his hapless wife had to carry that realization to their graves.
I agree Noelle - I often wonder how the people who "get away" with such acts manage to live their lives with the knowledge of what they have done.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder I think it's what's called "compartmentalization." Even then that just describes what the person does to be able to live with themselves, it doesn't truly explain how they can.
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Compartmentalization (psychology) - Wikipedia. As this link points out , it's an UNCONSCIOUS process. That would explain why a person might kill someone and be seemingly unaffected by it.
History? Homicide is the number one cause of pregnancy related death TODAY.
Great comment and insight.
It makes me sad the number of people who "get away with murder" and die with adequate food and shelter and hardly any real consequences to speak of.
Excellent as always! It’s sad that there was no mention on the tombstone of the poor baby who died along with his mother. Two people were murdered that night.
Very true.
What a truly horrendous crime! In the end, what scandal Gardiner feared from the revealing of the affair and pregnancy couldn't have been as bad as the villainy that befell him from the crime. Pride and vanity and the faulty thinking from it spiral into disaster. What an evil character was he!
The villainy that he wrapped about himself.
What a beautiful narration! Thank you!
Thank you, Lena - I'm delighted you liked it!
The artwork is incredible.
Thank you - there are so few photos available in these early cases, that I have found it necessary to supply the deficiency!
I’m so happy I cam across this channel. The stories in their separate components and in their entirety are amazing. What amazing talent.
It's incredible that he wasn't convicted. He quite literally got away with murder.
Yes, I agree with both your statements! At the first trial, the jury was 11-1 in favour of a guilty verdict. However, because it was a capital offence and such a verdict would inevitably result in the death penalty, a 12-0 verdict was required. The single person on the jury (actually the foreman!) refused to budge!
or his wife did ?
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Many people today think the wife did it. I don't agree - I think your analysis here is spot on - but my guess is that the foreman in the first trial came to the same conclusion. Or perhaps he just felt that he couldn't exclude the possibility beyond reasonable doubt. In the second trial, the wife behaved even more erratically and perhaps the same thought process lead a majority of jurors to refuse to convict.
Perhaps the foreman did not believe in capital punishment...it was death....or freedom.
@@digitaurus Wasn't she sitting with the neighbor who was frightened by the storm?
The paraffin bottle with the lable was a dead give away I'd have thought.
I am so thrilled to have discovered your Channel, absolutely addicted to your stories and magnificent narration. So professional and superbly delivered. Thank You.
One of the best channels on TH-cam. Interesting content, well researched with articulate narration!
That piano is weird and haunting. It's the perfect theme for this channel.
Thank you very much!
It reminds me of the "Lonely Man" theme from the Incredible Hulk tv series.
@@MulToyVerse Good call.
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Mark again another well written and narration on this video. I hope to see some future videos on - "How They Didn't Get Away With Murder" from you.
Excellent narration - calm, measured, rational, yet there is warmth in the attractive, mature voice and presentation. So rare to come across such dramatic matter presented without gratuitous sensationalism. The narration is notable not just for its manner and but also for its meticulous research, intelligence, beautifully crafted English, thoughtful insights and long range follow-through of these 'cold cases'. Utterly consistent throughout the series too. So well done on all levels.
Thank you very much indeed for your wonderful - and generous - comment, Susan. I read it with great pleasure! It is a great pleasure for me!
You did a fabulous job on this heart-breaking story.
Thank you, Heather
I'm so pleased that Rise was remembered fondly with a fitting memorial. Poor , poor girl. Well done Messrs Skinner and Wright for standing up for the truth! Gardiner is the epitome of everything I dislike about patriarchal societies of the past. Another very interesting and professionally implemented story, thank you.
Thank you, April - yes, I visited Rose Harsent's grave at Peasenhall last August while visiting my sister, who lives nearby, and eventually found her grave in an overflow cemetery to St Michael's church, along a narrow lane. There were some old dried up flowers on the grave and the lowest plinth had disappeared beneath debris of earth and grass, but it was otherwise much as depicted. A sad moment.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder perhaps one day ill visit too. Shell be remembered for being treated so badly. Says more about the so called Christian community than could ever be said about Rose.
@@aprilskies1051 I agree.
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What excellent scrutiny and well thought-out commentary! A most superb narrative. Thank you.
You're very welcome! Thanks, Stephanie.
What a delight to listen to English so well spoken, thank you sir.
Thank you, Rodney!
I'm really enjoying this series and also the sketches! What about the young bloke who was writing coarse poems to her? Or have I got mixed up with another one? (I'm watching these back to back). Couldn't he have been the father and killed her? Thanks for uploading, fascinating stuff. :)
Thanks Mel - yes, he could be... but he was a bit luckless: he was pursuing Rose and would have been pleased to be the father - and as a single young man he would have no motive to go to the extremes of murder to extricate himself from the position he was in...
Hey Mark, new subscriber here. Absolute love your video content - the amount of work you put in shines through - your illustrations are fascinating and complete capture the essence of the story - I dunno if you work as an artist at all but seriously I'd be very interested in buying some of your sketchings.
Hi Conor - I beg your pardon for my tardiness in replying. My youtube notification system does not work properly! Thank you for your comment, which is greatly appreciated. I am an artist, though I make no special claims with regard to these sketches, which are only done when I have been unable to find a photo or contemporary sketch of a scene or incident. I'd be quite happy to part with any (provided I can locate them!) for £25 each. Thanks again for your kind comment!
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Hi Mark! I think you have the best channel on TH-cam and you have brought me hours and hours of fabulous entertainment with your meticulously researched stories, your wonderful writing and amazing narration. I would love to buy you a coffee as a small token of my appreciation, however the link provided sends me to a 404 page not found. Would you be able to see if you can fix it so I can buy you all the coffee you are able to drink? Thank you so much for your superb work .
@@jogillett8518 Thank you so much, Jo! I was excited to see this as no-one has yet bought me a cup of coffee - you will be the very first if you manage to do it. I am parched! :) www.buymeacoffee.com/MarkJohnMaguire You could try this... I will try to look into the problem meanwhile! Thank you for your very kind words - I am delighted you like the documentaries.
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I love your channel. Thank you so much for this quality programme.
You're very welcome - I'm delighted you like it!
I’ve probably commented many times before but I’m compelled to do so again. The art work is beautiful.... especially the introductions.... so Maigret.... Simenon would have applauded this marvelous work. Thank you so much. Miss Jenny.
Thank you for bringing these crimes to life. I've watched most of these & your voice is just perfect for these videos.
You're very kind - thank, Christine!
I love these cases I love how you don’t miss a detail! Thank you
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I don’t know if these tales have been uploaded by John Mark Maguire, but if so then Thank You. Superb writing and narration, haunting images and music
Hiya Mike. I so agree. I'm still working my way through them all. Hope that you're well.
Kelly C Good evening Kelly. Hope you are well. Some kind person recommended radioechoes.com as being somewhat similar to archive.org. I will test tonight and get back to you. Meanwhile I’m trying to work out whether one could use a water melon and a small pimento as murder weapons🍉🌶...stay tuned you criminologist😉
@@mikewilliams4499 Oh dear. I cannot even fathom a scenario of those 2. I will say this, if it is a female suggesting these methods to you, stand clear. 😂😂 There are only two perfect weapons that have popped into my mind after many years and I am sure that those may not be a hundred percent guaranteed. It is no wonder I have no dates. 🤣🤣
Kelly C Present of the day. Go to archive.org...type in A for Assassin and enjoy😉
@@mikewilliams4499 Will do Mike. Sleep well. 🌛
SO articulate, it is a treat to watch/listen to this channel. Just first class.
Thank you, Catherine!
When I heard, @18:00 approximately, of the impossibility of a unanimous vote by the jury, I was vividly reminded of the opening chapters in "Strong Poison"(Dorothy Sayers). It was even written about this time. When the judge in the first trial asked if they might reach unanimity if given more time, I actually chuckled, and would have been disappointed with anything but a denial by the foreman.
I'm finding that these wonderful presentations give another layer to several of the Sayers, Christie et al. that I've enjoyed so much over the years, so that's something else for me to be appreciative of.
Again, thanks heaps for the time, talent and effort used to such effect.
I am rather resentful of the fact that this channel didn't show up in my recommends until yesterday. But then I think, it's a cold wet winter's day, why be mad when you've got something new to dive into? So thank you again, but really You Tube, where were your algorithms?
Thank you, Bilinda - it's interesting that this reminds you of elements of Sayers/Christie - both were great afficionados of many of these crimes, which figured very prominently in the newspapers of the day, in a way it is difficult to appreciate now. Newspapers like the Times and Telegraph frequently gave full trial transcripts of the proceedings - and people read these avidly. Murder trials possessed a certain drama - perhaps because they were very short (usually 4-5 days long) and the consequence of a guilty verdict was so final...
Excellent as always from this channel , am watching one or two a week at present and love your format and really apppreciate having no annoying adverts. Hope this gets spotted by a digital channel and you get to do this on a larger scale.One little blooper..I think near the end you mention it occurred on 31st March , when earlier you refer to 31st May ? Small beer either way ,excellent channel. Thank You.
Thank you very much, Andy - ah, there is always at least one error, and I only find out when it is too late to do anything about it! 31st May is the correct date.
Well worth revisiting. You sum up evidence better than any prosecutor I have ever heard. You would have been a formidable enemy of crime had you been called to the bar.
Thank you very much, Robert - that is a generous comment indeed! These cases fade in my mind with time - one day when I have some time, I must sit down and listen to the early cases and see whether I still approve of what I have said...
such a sad tale....that poor girl !..... thank you for sharing this !
Just discovered your channel and have subscribed. Fascinating story which although I live non to far from the village , have never previously heard about ! Marvellous narrative, best wishes to you. ❤️👌🏼
How wonderfully well written, a pleasure to listen to.
So sad, and you get down to the humanity of it all. Thank you.
Thank you for your program. Well narrated and detailed.
"Helping to open a stiff door" Well I've never heard it called that before...
I have to say I am in China regarding the virus, I have watched many things. but your channel is somewhat exceptional. please keep them up.
What a tragedy for Rose and her unborn baby - both losing their lives - passion hath no bounds nor does public opinion.
Yes indeed, Ann - I visited Rose's grave in August this year in the overflow graveyard in Peasenhall. It looks rather forlorn with some old dead flowers on it - it was a strange thought to be just a few feet from the mother and child at the centre of this tragedy.
Was Mr Gardiner accused of one or two murders? After all, he'd also killed the preborn baby.
@@corneliawissing7950 Good point. Makes me think of Chris Watts, Scott Peterson, that pregnant South American woman found in an abandoned barrel in a NY basement, and others.
@@stephaniek1076, There seems to be an odd legal problem: abortion is touted, sold, forced down the throats of entire communities ... But it used to be that killing a pregnant woman counted as a double homicide and I can't find out if it is still so.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder If you come up to Scotland for a visit, let me know and we can meet! :-) Love your channel. xx
I would love to hear you narrate a modern crime story, solved or otherwise! But I love this channel just how it is too!
I may do it, Stephanie - but I have always resisted covering crimes where the main protagonists are still alive. I treat these as historical reviews, in a sense.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder I can understand why you would do that and it makes perfect sense. As I said, just the way it is is just great too! I am already looking forward to the next episode!
I'm so glad I found your channel. You are a master storyteller. I am enjoying these tremendously.
I'm so glad! Thank you, Pam.
I am slowly working my way through these, quite simply, excellent productions. It's major broadcast material - or should be. (P.S. a very small point, I know Brentwood in Essex, but not Brentford?
Many thanks, Nick - I believe I have made an error here! Thank you.
You are so talented , thanks for sharing these stories - fascinating stuff . Your voice is so calm and mellow ... you certainly hold my attention :)
Thank you so much, Joolz!
This is a wonderful channel, thank you for all of your hard work!
New subscriber! Great stories and your narration is fabulous. Thank you
Thank you very much indeed!
Kudos to Mr Maguire for not holding back on commentary about the religious mindset here. I'm so used to that kind of observation being dialled down or omitted entirely, presumably for the sake of a US audience, it was quite the refreshing surprise. By contrast, I've heard several American true crime channels covering modern crimes still citing a person's church membership as if it's a positive character reference.
The line: "Ever vigilant of other people's virtue, as if by exercising such vigilance they had in some way increased their own virtue." is absolute guff. It exposes the animus of non-religious people towards those who take their religious beliefs and standards seriously. The problem was Rouse didn't do what he should have done. He should have confronted Gardiner in the church publicly regarding Gardiner's iniquitous adultery with that poor servant girl. If Rouse had really been "vigilant of other people's virtue" Rose would not have been murdered.
How can so few know about this channel! It’s excellent.
Excellent narration- as a new subscriber- I'm still so amazed by your awesome telling of these crimes- I wonder do u ever cover any notorious robberies/ fraud or just murders? I find these older murders most interesting - lately I've had an interest in white collar crimes particularly men/ women playing the " sweetheart con" on innocent people "looking for love" just wondered if you came across older examples of this.
Your narrations are utterly spellbinding!
It seems - most murder is caused by that elusive desire... to have that one... that dream that won't stop turning into a nightmare... until death do us part... violently often!
Lust - carnal love... breaking the commandments - and walking away... murder unfulfilled - and liberated... of what? Desire is a fleeting glimpse of what once was... and may never be!
Sir... you tell a tale most wonderfully... thanks!
Jury foreman probably just opposed to death penalty. Skinner and Wright couldn't have been sued successfully; telling truth and being able to vouch for each other, not slander. Gardiner was responsible for his own reputation.
Fascinating. Very well done!
Thanks Todd!
I lost track in this one but I stuck around for your lovely voice. Gruesome stuff. Sweet dreams.
What a terribly sad tale, poor girl and what an awful end, just goes to show the frailties of the human psyche and an innocent baby gone too.
So very well told, one of the lesser known (to me) murder cases of the early years of the 20th Century.
Thank you, yes - I agree; a very sad tale made all the more poignant by the fact she turned out to be pregnant...
I completely agree with Mark's assessment of the case. There is indeed no alternative credible suspect, and the substantial amount of circumstantial evidence points at Gardiner. My only reservation: I am flabbergasted that Gardiner didn’t try harder to disguise his crime. A lot of the circumstantial evidence could have been easily avoided or destroyed. And he should have known that it would be impossible to destroy the body so completely that the pregnancy would be totally hidden.
Really you need no more description of life in a small village, than the fact the groundskeeper saw the footprints in the snow and thought it worthy of gossip. I don't think that sort of thing is only found in "Primative Methodist" societies, it's more small town notes
It was footprints in the mud on the unmade road "The Street" which he saw, Bilinda - but same effect. Yes, everyone is busy minding everyone else's business! I walked down The Street from Gardiner's cottage to Providence House where Rose lived in August last year - it is rather surprising how little it has altered in all that time - 117 years...
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder I did wonder how he left footprints in the rain and wondered if it was a slip of words. An unmade road, so it was mud.
Good Lord the stupidity of thinking to carry on shenanigans in this village! And:. Billy boy had a disgusting amount of facial hair. Fine for a grandpa, but what did Rose see in him?
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder And they are still talking about the stranger that did that walk. Some have speculated you might be a relative :)
@@quickchris10comcast Nesting instinct I guess. :)
I am so enjoying this channel.
Appears to be very well resurrected.
Thank you.
Thank you very much!
I'm sure that most viewers will know that Julian Fellowes suspected the wife of Gardiner and her motive may not have been jealousy alone. Adding a pregnancy to further fuel the ongoing scandal in the village concerning her husband and Rose Harsent would surely have led to Gardiner's dismissal from his job and church associations. The resultant effect would have placed a wife and mother of 6 in a desperate financial and emotional situation; a pitiable state indeed.
Something radical needed to be done but whether Mrs. Gardiner carried out the actual murder is open to question: maybe she did. Gardiner may have been burning his wife's blood-splattered clothing the next morning rather than his own.
A puzzle remains concerning the footprints sighted by James Morris; were they small and feminine in nature or a size 9-10?
Another perplexing question is to understand the reason why Evan Edwards chose to find the accused not-guilty in the first trial when the circumstantial evidence was so strong and non-dismissive. Was he obliged to protect Gardiner through a reciprocal arrangement springing from an earlier unrelated incident?
And what compelled the jury in the second trial to vote 11 - 1 not guilty when the same evidence was presented in both cases. It's a rhetorical question of course but such a drastic turnaround suggests some tampering or perversion of public opinion outside the Peasenhall area.
N.B:- As a side-note it seems rather unfair of me to comment on how much older Rose looks in her photo than her supposed 22 years, but I'll proffer this visual disparity anyway.
NickPenlee thanks a lot for the entire plot giveaway. I usually look to see if people rate it a good listen but I have learned to be on guard for spoilers.
Luckily I gleaned from the first few words that you were going to indulge yourself in ‘fluffing up your know-all feathers’
and by sheer willpower, I avoided reading until I had finished listening.
Nearly everybody 'back then' (right up until the fifties/sixties) looked a whole lot older than they might look today, for a host of reasons. Poor nutrition, poverty, childhood illness, and just plain hard hard work that ground you down physically and mentally. A housemaid had a tough life, maybe a half day off once a week. Having your photo taken was a big event, and you got however it turned out, invariably with unflattering shadows too. Domestic servants didn't wear makeup, either, nor did most women at that time unless they were 'in society'.
@@PetroicaRodinogaster264The comments section is generally reserved as a review area. Maybe watch the video first before you come here to belittle people.
The clue is in the title ‘they got away with murder’
I listened to an audio book of this a few months ago. A very sad tale
What was the name of it
A life of extreme stricture and probity, and conversely, a life of total license and depravity, will both lead to the same place: perdition.
There is no tyranny like that of a small town, it's like an iron cap under which all citizens must exist. I used to live in such a town, where everyone knew everyone else and tried to mind everyone else's business. These two were very careless and in a way deserved to be talked about. They knew where they lived. There is also no more fertile place for wrongdoing than among church people; in my life I've observed several incidents among church people that shocked me as much as the people there must've been shocked by Gardiner et alia.
A third trial? How many times can a person be tried on a single charge in England?
This was an interesting story. Thank you!
Thank you, Jeanette - well, in theory it is possible to keep bringing a person back for trial, if a mistrial occurs, or the jury is unable to reach a decision. In practice, I believe the public prosecutor would weigh up the public interest of a pursuing someone to a third trial. It would also be open to the judge to instruct the jury to return a verdict of "not guilty", I believe, which would effectively bring the matter to a close.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder..I learned something here. Thanks for taking time to explain it. 👏
Given the stigma that would effect both of them, why didn't she just leave the town like so many others have done. I'm sure she knew if she stayed and had the baby, her life in that town would be just horrid.
Maybe she was in love with that clown. Maybe she couldn't afford to go away. She was a woman, a servant girl no less, no powerful family to cover for her; then add an unmarried woman in trouble on top of it during that period, because the woman always bore the shame.
I am not even convinced it was his child. If she was loose, then could have been another man/men in town. She was supposedly heard trying to seduce a married man. Who is to say she wasn't sleeping with someone else? BUT I agree - often when would leave town even if just to have baby then return without child.
I truly appreciate your in depth research, but I just adore your narration and illustrations. I say, were you ever a constable.
I love hearing about these early 1900's stories. Thank you
Glad you like them and thank you
superbly done - thank you !!
Your great line drawings help to bring these tales to life. I was wondering - do you also perform the music?
Many thanks, Michael - yes, the piano piece was done specifically for the series. A previous attempt with a guitar did not quite work - it is on my other channel.
The killer was obviously the father of her unborn child . It could have been Gardiner or the young man whose obscene poems were found in her room .
The various sketches... which are outstanding, and worthy of global view via TH-cam... are drawn by our host/guide... Mr. Mark John Maguire, himself!
That is, if I'm rreading the artist's signature clearly on the various pieces!?
Nice.
The sketches bring a little extra to the histories.
What a tragic tale! Thanks very much.
Who other than William, what about Mrs. Gardiner? The scandal affected her as well as an illegitimate child would affect her family and the scandal a bastard child would affect her and her legitimate children???
These stories amaze me, b/c I always assumed that in the prewar (WW2) years, few men could escape justice, unless they were definitively wealthy and influential, but apparently the tone of justice was tempered with understanding and seemingly a somber commitment by judges to see justice.
Such a sad storry! It was a double murder actually...his own unborn child!!!
Could it have been his wife?? And he covered for her? They were supposed to meet but his wife knew about it? Maybe. Idk. Loved the story. New subscriber here
Hi Heather - Yes it is possible and many people think she did... I decided it was Gardiner on the basis that it was carried out by a powerful person (the smashed hook on the rear of the door showing force of entry), Rose had fought back but been overcome. Mrs Gardiner seemed a rather frail woman, given to fainting in court, requiring smelling salts etc. I saw the short, but powerfully built choirmaster as being the more probable assailant. But anything is possible!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder thank you so much for answering and i had thought maybe not based on other factors. But blind fury and rage in a heat of anger But surely as small as the village was someone would have noticed her acting differently. But your correct. We'll never know. But thank you for keeping an open mind and respectfully addressing my thoughts. And keep the stories coming. Big fan already. 💖💖💖
@@hpyles30241 Yes - blind fury and rage can give a person much greater strength and courage than you would expect of them, it's true! It's a good point. I still believe it was Gardiner, but the wife is a good candidate. Many thanks, again!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder "Mrs Gardiner seemed a rather frail woman" but she raised six children...
@@SY-ok2dq Plus, she might have then been afraid for her OWN life, and afraid NOT to lie for him. I'll bet he privately intimidated and threatened her into submission of his will, just as he publicly tried to do to those two young men.
When viewing your excellent videos, I always consider the cases from the standpoint of a jury member. This means that I try to benefit the defendant from any doubt. In this case, I did not see any reason to believe that the defendant was not guilty of the murder and that he did indeed get away with murder.
Another awesome video and great story. Excellent
Dear Maguire it is good your work is back as I have missed the Edgar Lustgaden style research and delivery!
Rob
Many thanks!
Love the narration
Thank you, Zoe - I'm delighted!
I completely and whole heartedly agree...
Poor Rose , whose life was cut short !
Yes indeed! I visited her grave in Suffolk last August - it was in an ancillary graveyard down a lane from the church and there were some old flowers on it. Peasenhall looks pretty much as it did in 1902 - although it is no longer possible to see the window to Rose's room in Providence House from Gardiner's cottage, owing to trees impeding the view.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder I live nearby so this has inspired me to explore. I have found the story in the notable British trials series so looking forward to some further research. Thank you for a wonderful narration.
Told with his usual brilliance by Mr Maguire. As an ex-crime reporter sir, I take my hat off to you....
I also want to add that he most definitely took advantage of her youth and trust!
Your videos are my favorite of their kind bar none. I have read books on Lizzie Borden and always felt confused if she was the killer. Your videos make truthful sense. Two heart emojis.
These take such a long time to create. Thank you, when can we expect the next (may2021). Love ❤️ them
Thank you - yes, they do, but one is coming in the next few hours, I promise!
Will. There be any more of these videos seem t stop at end of 2021
Listening while mowing paddocks,awesome thanks mate.
Thank you!
New to your channel and l am finding it very interesting
Thank you, Barbara - you are most welcome!
It should be mentioned that paraffin was and still is used in medicine. The label on the bottle giving directions for its method of administration, amount and frequency for Gardiner's children comports with its legitimate medical use, that of a paediatric laxative.
I could watch this sort of stuff all day long these old crimes are tragic I know but intriguing and very dark
Many thanks, David
A sad tale. Excellent narration. thank you. 👌💕
That was a horrible murder. He should of been found guilty!
He escaped by a merest whisker - a sole dissenter in the jury at the first trial saved him...
when people murder in a messy fashion such as this- it is revenge and hate
@@creolelady182 I agree - under a very strong emotion, certainly.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder The wife. She wanted to erase all and go back to a point where all was peaceful but Burn the victim?? Why she was Truly under the influence of develish thoughts. She couldn't handle the image of what life would be like after the child was born in my guess and momentarily lost sanity.
Not so long ago, a frustrated divorcee set fire in her former husband's wedding tent--"I just wanted to break a little terror, that's all.", were her words regarding why she did it. Beware of your own dark side when others trigger it. Hush it down or else. She was hanged for killing many innocent people causing others permanent damage.
I would still vote that William wasn't the murderer of Rose. He loved her. Even if.. wouldn't be this messy like a friend mentioned in here.
This is so detailed! Thank you so much! 😊