Just another phenomenal example of how your videos far exceed all others on TH-cam and the internet when it comes to the NFL and human interest stories. This one was really so well done. Jaguargator9 and Jaguargator8 are really tremendous channels at every level. Such a pleasure waking up to these videos on both channels
My favorite obscure NFL stat is yards per target. Kirby's career yards per target was 7.5, which would be just fine for a WR. For a running back in the 1990s, that was excellent.
@@Asaman854 One of those stats measures how good his offensive line was, and the other one measures how many carries he got. A back that is an asset in the passing game is super valuable.
Kirby wasn’t a 1st round talent (in my eyes at the time), but was a 3rd round steal. He had great hands out of the backfield. He was a solid role player, but wouldn’t have given you 1000 yds rushing. He strength was catching.
No wonder the 1990 UVA team collapsed that season, all their skilled position players were blind - Terry Kirby and they said similar things about Herman Moore. On top of that, I heard some people mention Shawn Moore's color blindness.
I remember watching Terry Kirby when he played for the Browns, which was in the later years of his NFL career. I had no idea he went through this nonsense leading up to the 1993 Draft. Media reporters telling blatant lies is nothing new... *cough* Speaking of the Browns, JG9, I'd love to see you dig up some little known story about the 1999 expansion Browns. I'd like to know another reason why the New Browns started out beyond dysfunctional... (Well, I'm now beyond done with the Browns and any rooting interests, so I'd like to get another good laugh!)
Terry played High School football in Southeastern VA around the same time I was in High School, he was like a grown man playing against kids he was so dominant.
I remember Kirby, byars, Bernie Parmalee, fryer, Mark Ingram SR, and Marino. Big Dt Tim Bouwens, Cox, Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor, Sam Madison, and Troy Vincent
@@saubergt2390 NFC teams such as the Cowboys, 49ers, and Packers were too much an obstacle for those Dolphins teams; placed in a later era (like the 2005-2012 NFL), I'd give that particular brand of personnel decent odds in winning a title. In reality, although those late Shula-era Dolphins squads were compelling, they didn't quite have enough to finish as a league champion.
@@Fnoel98356 I'd put Richmond Webb in the HoF; the Dolphins weren't a running team, but I thought Webb was a strong run blocker (no accident that the Dolphins 1990 running game was respectable during Webb's rookie year) along with being an excellent pass protector.
@@gluserty I personally would have put Richmond Webb in the HOF before Tony Bosellie. Nothing against Bosellie, he was great, but Richmond Webb was just as great, & for a longer period of time.
This was fascinating. It was also news to me. I never had heard any issues about Kirby’s eyesight. And I covered him his first two years in high school (as well as covering the state championship game his junior year). He also played basketball and baseball in high school - and ran some track too - if I remember correctly. One more interesting note is that Kirby was renown even before he got to UVA. About 1,000 people showed up to watch his first high school scrimmage in 1985 - long before scrimmages received any attention (at least in Virginia). And he was the USA Today Offensive National High School Player of the Year in 1988.
Yup, I grew up and lived in the Hampton roads, VA area where Terry Kirby played in high school. He was a local hero. I remember my middle school gym teacher, being excited about Kirby's NFL career.
You mentioned that Garrison Hearst was taken in this draft. This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about how the Cardinals moved up one spot to take Hearst that year.
Another player that Don Shula had that dealt with vision issues was Manny Fernandez. He barely could see out of one eye and yet, in Super Bowl VII, set a then record 17 tackles. Would've been named the MVP had Jake Scott not picked off two passes.
I agree, and it appears that Don Shula only judged players on what they could do on the football field vs. meaningless nonsense ( I heard he was perfectly fine with the non-conformists on those early 1970s Dolphins as well).
Who ever reported it putting he is legally blind should be sued for money lost and then should be fired or blackballed from the DRAFT or NFL and then do a report on the lie to maybe help the player get back even some of lost money.
@Official JaguarGator9 Can you please do more weeks back in the 1980’s and 1990’s of NFL Redzone when you have the chance? You did a fantastic job with the 1988 Week 2 and I would love to see you make somewhat of a series of it with numerous weeks from numerous seasons back than.
The Virginia running backs coach didn't help matters, "That's ridiculous, it's never been a problem, it's never come up." That's not saying Kirby doesn't have vision problems, it makes it sound like he isn't hindered by them.
He played when I first started watching national college football. I’m sure I watched him (I remember learning that helmet) but didn’t remember his name. Also, I remember my fourth grade teacher came from Virginia and was very proud of the Sugar Bowl team.
This is really awful. I generally believe most reporters do a great job, but the whole anonymous sources bashing a kid is my absolute least favorite part of the draft. Assuming the writer reported what he'd been told in good faith, I don't see any choice but to burn his source and share his identity. Also, were there no vision tests done to settle the matter?
If only Shula hadn't decided for some insane reason that it was vitally important to go for 2 after cutting a 28-0 Vikings lead to 28-6 in the first half, Kirby would've been even better (sighs). Instead he was lost for the '94 season because of that nonsense. The fact the Dolphins actually came back to tie before losing by 3 thanks to another Shula blunder only makes it worse.
You would think Tiki Barber would have broke Terry Kirby's numbers with the career he had in the NFL .I liked Terry Kirby on those early mid 90's Miami Dolphins teams,he was solid as a player .
@@saubergt2390 "Yikes" is right; Bledsoe was a real deal studmuffin of a player (back when the Patriots were starting from scratch), and, while Mirer was a good athlete and a pleasant fellow, people had starry eyes about him due to him being a Notre Dame player (I did think Mirer was a good rookie who improved that HORRIBLE Seahawks offense immensely, but the problem was that after 1993 he didn't progress. In fact, he became worse).
Well, what I can say is that as a rookie he set the then record for receptions out of the back field. He was easily the future back of the Dolphins. Problem was the Dolphins right side couldn't block and most of all destroyed his knee against Minnesota in the 4th game of the season. If you notice, all backs in that era for the Dolphins ran for 3.7 to 3.9??? yards per carry. If there was no Jimmy Jerkson and that God aweful Jabber, he would have been in seen today as a first round draft pick. He still could catch and allude defenders. When he flew out to back up Mr. Number 1 in SF. He still had some pretty good games and a few long carries. If not for the blown knee and what transpired after schula, we'd be speaking about one of the top Dolphins backs of all time! Schula had big plans for him that never came to be. Sometimes it's not where you are drafted, but by who, the system and dumb luck
I thought Terry Kirby was a good pro & upon listening here, I give the Dolphins credit for drafting him where they did (what a steal!). He was a good receiving back right away with the 1993 Dolphins, and that was the season Dan Marino tore his Achilles (I know Marino didn't do that on purpose), so he caught passes from 3 different QB's. I do know about Herman Moore needing to correct his eyesight; I remember it back in the day, and thought about it when Moore was mentioned in the David Archer (Archer!) /Scott Campbell video.
Yeah, he was screwed but I wouldn't say I agree with your final assessment that his career proved he was a first round talent. That would mean there weren't 32 players who were better than him in the draft. There were 5 Hall of Famers and 35 Pro Bowlers in that draft, of which Kirby was neither. He was a solid player, and someone I would love to have on my team, but I wouldn't be comfortable going higher than a mid-2nd round pick for him knowing how is NFL career turned out.
You're making an assessment well after the fact, though. Any lawsuit would of course be based on predraft projections and if the majority of them said he was a first rounder, the 3rd best RB in the draft, etc. then yah Kirby absolutely could've been awarded damages.
@@DolFan316 I didn't say anything about a lawsuit, near the end of the video Jaguar essentially said his career was worthy of a first round pick. It was not.
@@DireHammer Yea, I am with you... he had a very solid journeyman career.. but would have been considered borderline if taken in the late 1st round. His 3-4 most productive seasons of his 10 year career were 1000-1200 yards from scrimmage with 5-7 TDs... I'd guess that's probably good for Top 40-60 in the league... but not exactly setting the world on fire either. Solid in the 3rd-5th rounds, a bit underwhelming in the 1st. Also, I'm not sure anybody considered him a pre-draft 1st rounder, regardless of this "report" on his blindness. Even at the time I think it's obvious he wasn't going to go ahead of Hearst, Bettis or Robert Smith... who were the only RBs taken in round 1. Of course, I was a drunken college student at the time of this draft, so I don't claim to have been an expert at the time.
You misuse the term "blind." You seem to think that the term "legally blind" is synonymous with the term "blind." It isn't. Yes, Bob Gresie was "LEGALLY BLIND" when he won the Super Bowls for the Dolphins, but he was not blind in the sense that he could not see at all. You need to use words more carefully. Someone who is LEGALLY BIND is treatable for his type of blindness. Someone who is ACTUALLY BLIND is not treatable for his type of blindness. It makes a difference.
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Let's be perfectly honest. That so-called "expert" never said anything once it came out the report was a lie was because he made the whole thing up, and whatever good he did have would have been destroyed forever. To paraphrase another Draft: "Who the fuck is Joel Buschbaum anyway?"
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Um. Why didn’t his agent get him an eye exam and make it public?
Just another phenomenal example of how your videos far exceed all others on TH-cam and the internet when it comes to the NFL and human interest stories. This one was really so well done. Jaguargator9 and Jaguargator8 are really tremendous channels at every level. Such a pleasure waking up to these videos on both channels
I would've sued that dude
My favorite obscure NFL stat is yards per target. Kirby's career yards per target was 7.5, which would be just fine for a WR. For a running back in the 1990s, that was excellent.
That's a neat stat. My favorite Terry Kirby stat is his 3.8 y/a and 26 y/g. Dude blew.
@@Asaman854 One of those stats measures how good his offensive line was, and the other one measures how many carries he got.
A back that is an asset in the passing game is super valuable.
Could he, or should he have sued the guy for lost wages that put out that report?
He absolutely should have and I'm shocked he didn't.
oh, god yes
Kirby wasn’t a 1st round talent (in my eyes at the time), but was a 3rd round steal. He had great hands out of the backfield. He was a solid role player, but wouldn’t have given you 1000 yds rushing. He strength was catching.
No wonder the 1990 UVA team collapsed that season, all their skilled position players were blind - Terry Kirby and they said similar things about Herman Moore. On top of that, I heard some people mention Shawn Moore's color blindness.
Kirby should have sued the liar.
Yep this a sad reminder that the sports media needs to make these draft reports are accurate because it can hurt player and his draft stock.
It's not just sports media, the teams themselves do this, so players will slide down draft boards.
I remember watching Terry Kirby when he played for the Browns, which was in the later years of his NFL career. I had no idea he went through this nonsense leading up to the 1993 Draft. Media reporters telling blatant lies is nothing new... *cough*
Speaking of the Browns, JG9, I'd love to see you dig up some little known story about the 1999 expansion Browns. I'd like to know another reason why the New Browns started out beyond dysfunctional... (Well, I'm now beyond done with the Browns and any rooting interests, so I'd like to get another good laugh!)
You think thats bad look at how they lie about real issues and politics.
Terry played High School football in Southeastern VA around the same time I was in High School, he was like a grown man playing against kids he was so dominant.
Cards drafted Ernest Dye in this draft. He was a decent tackle who had his career cut short after a car accident.
I remember Kirby, byars, Bernie Parmalee, fryer, Mark Ingram SR, and Marino. Big Dt Tim Bouwens, Cox, Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor, Sam Madison, and Troy Vincent
Those 90's Dolphins deserved a ring. With star talent like this, I'm absolutely stunned.
Don't forget Richmond Webb at offensive tackle. He is a borderline HOF talent.
@@saubergt2390 NFC teams such as the Cowboys, 49ers, and Packers were too much an obstacle for those Dolphins teams; placed in a later era (like the 2005-2012 NFL), I'd give that particular brand of personnel decent odds in winning a title. In reality, although those late Shula-era Dolphins squads were compelling, they didn't quite have enough to finish as a league champion.
@@Fnoel98356 I'd put Richmond Webb in the HoF; the Dolphins weren't a running team, but I thought Webb was a strong run blocker (no accident that the Dolphins 1990 running game was respectable during Webb's rookie year) along with being an excellent pass protector.
@@gluserty I personally would have put Richmond Webb in the HOF before Tony Bosellie. Nothing against Bosellie, he was great, but Richmond Webb was just as great, & for a longer period of time.
He should have sued the school and the reporter and the reporters employer
This was fascinating. It was also news to me. I never had heard any issues about Kirby’s eyesight. And I covered him his first two years in high school (as well as covering the state championship game his junior year). He also played basketball and baseball in high school - and ran some track too - if I remember correctly.
One more interesting note is that Kirby was renown even before he got to UVA. About 1,000 people showed up to watch his first high school scrimmage in 1985 - long before scrimmages received any attention (at least in Virginia). And he was the USA Today Offensive National High School Player of the Year in 1988.
*HOLY GUACAMOLE!!! I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT ANY OF THIS!!!* 😯😯😯
That was just lowdown. The reporter who lied on Kirby has to live with that for the rest of his life.
Thing is people like that have no conscience. They prolly don’t think anything about it and move on....
sports media is just below lawyers more so back then. No offense to JG9
God, I hadn't heard the name "Joel Buschbaum" in ages. He was no Mel Kiper, which is saying something, cause Kiper isn''t anything amazing.
Yup, I grew up and lived in the Hampton roads, VA area where Terry Kirby played in high school. He was a local hero. I remember my middle school gym teacher, being excited about Kirby's NFL career.
You mentioned that Garrison Hearst was taken in this draft. This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about how the Cardinals moved up one spot to take Hearst that year.
I hope he cuts you a check for being the unofficial official historian. Unsung hero
This could have been an easy case of slander and-or libel.
If only you replace this guy and Trent Richardson
Then maybe the report would be accurate
fun fact Thomas Jones broke Terry Kirby State rd record in high school
Another player that Don Shula had that dealt with vision issues was Manny Fernandez. He barely could see out of one eye and yet, in Super Bowl VII, set a then record 17 tackles. Would've been named the MVP had Jake Scott not picked off two passes.
Great, great player. Really should be mentioned more in discussions of ail time great DTs.
I agree, and it appears that Don Shula only judged players on what they could do on the football field vs. meaningless nonsense ( I heard he was perfectly fine with the non-conformists on those early 1970s Dolphins as well).
I hated when he turned on Jimmy Valiant and joined Paul Jones’ Army!!!
Who ever reported it putting he is legally blind should be sued for money lost and then should be fired or blackballed from the DRAFT or NFL and then do a report on the lie to maybe help the player get back even some of lost money.
Why didnt Kirby sue about that?
@Official JaguarGator9 Can you please do more weeks back in the 1980’s and 1990’s of NFL Redzone when you have the chance? You did a fantastic job with the 1988 Week 2 and I would love to see you make somewhat of a series of it with numerous weeks from numerous seasons back than.
The Virginia running backs coach didn't help matters, "That's ridiculous, it's never been a problem, it's never come up." That's not saying Kirby doesn't have vision problems, it makes it sound like he isn't hindered by them.
I appreciate this story thank you 🙏🏾
Wow terry got fucking robbed
This felt like a JG8/JG9 crossover.
I'm surprised he didn't sue the news outlet for the false report costing him money
The sad part is not only is this practice done, often times it's the team who wants to draft the player in question.
What's that ambient music in the background?
I swear it's Bejeweled, a tetris like game
He played when I first started watching national college football. I’m sure I watched him (I remember learning that helmet) but didn’t remember his name. Also, I remember my fourth grade teacher came from Virginia and was very proud of the Sugar Bowl team.
This is really awful. I generally believe most reporters do a great job, but the whole anonymous sources bashing a kid is my absolute least favorite part of the draft. Assuming the writer reported what he'd been told in good faith, I don't see any choice but to burn his source and share his identity. Also, were there no vision tests done to settle the matter?
If only Shula hadn't decided for some insane reason that it was vitally important to go for 2 after cutting a 28-0 Vikings lead to 28-6 in the first half, Kirby would've been even better (sighs). Instead he was lost for the '94 season because of that nonsense. The fact the Dolphins actually came back to tie before losing by 3 thanks to another Shula blunder only makes it worse.
So true😢
@@terrykirby42 Wait...is this the real terry Kirby???
@@DolFan316 yes
@@terrykirby42 WOW!!! I am truly humbled and honored. DolFan since '82 BTW.
I wonder could Kirby sue the guy who wrote the lie
These reports are sometimes out of line
You would think Tiki Barber would have broke Terry Kirby's numbers with the career he had in the NFL .I liked Terry Kirby on those early mid 90's Miami Dolphins teams,he was solid as a player .
Actually the biggest lie was that Rick Mirer would make a good NFL QB.
He was taken #2 overall and Mel Kiper didn't even have him as a first round talent on his board. One of the biggest reaches ever.
@@saubergt2390 I remember draft day they had 2 Bledsoe trading cards and 2 Mirer cards each in a Patriot or Seahawk uniform.
@@Rockhound6165 Yikes. And to think there was a debate. Bledsoe carried those 90's Patriots, and Mirer was a career backup and major bust.
@@saubergt2390 "Yikes" is right; Bledsoe was a real deal studmuffin of a player (back when the Patriots were starting from scratch), and, while Mirer was a good athlete and a pleasant fellow, people had starry eyes about him due to him being a Notre Dame player (I did think Mirer was a good rookie who improved that HORRIBLE Seahawks offense immensely, but the problem was that after 1993 he didn't progress. In fact, he became worse).
Well, what I can say is that as a rookie he set the then record for receptions out of the back field. He was easily the future back of the Dolphins. Problem was the Dolphins right side couldn't block and most of all destroyed his knee against Minnesota in the 4th game of the season. If you notice, all backs in that era for the Dolphins ran for 3.7 to 3.9??? yards per carry. If there was no Jimmy Jerkson and that God aweful Jabber, he would have been in seen today as a first round draft pick. He still could catch and allude defenders. When he flew out to back up Mr. Number 1 in SF. He still had some pretty good games and a few long carries. If not for the blown knee and what transpired after schula, we'd be speaking about one of the top Dolphins backs of all time! Schula had big plans for him that never came to be. Sometimes it's not where you are drafted, but by who, the system and dumb luck
I remember him! He was a really high-hype player! 49ers should've kept him!
35 years later he is still the best high school RB I have ever seen, Tabb high school 757... 💪🏻
I thought Terry Kirby was a good pro & upon listening here, I give the Dolphins credit for drafting him where they did (what a steal!). He was a good receiving back right away with the 1993 Dolphins, and that was the season Dan Marino tore his Achilles (I know Marino didn't do that on purpose), so he caught passes from 3 different QB's.
I do know about Herman Moore needing to correct his eyesight; I remember it back in the day, and thought about it when Moore was mentioned in the David Archer (Archer!) /Scott Campbell video.
He didn't sue the creator of the report for damages?
I've never watched a video that referred to 3 other videos in the same video smh
What did Mel kieper think about kirby
Yeah, he was screwed but I wouldn't say I agree with your final assessment that his career proved he was a first round talent. That would mean there weren't 32 players who were better than him in the draft. There were 5 Hall of Famers and 35 Pro Bowlers in that draft, of which Kirby was neither. He was a solid player, and someone I would love to have on my team, but I wouldn't be comfortable going higher than a mid-2nd round pick for him knowing how is NFL career turned out.
You're making an assessment well after the fact, though. Any lawsuit would of course be based on predraft projections and if the majority of them said he was a first rounder, the 3rd best RB in the draft, etc. then yah Kirby absolutely could've been awarded damages.
@@DolFan316 I didn't say anything about a lawsuit, near the end of the video Jaguar essentially said his career was worthy of a first round pick. It was not.
@@DireHammer Yeah, I'd say Kirby was a late first round or early second round pick, but an absolute steal in the 3rd.
@@DireHammer Yea, I am with you... he had a very solid journeyman career.. but would have been considered borderline if taken in the late 1st round. His 3-4 most productive seasons of his 10 year career were 1000-1200 yards from scrimmage with 5-7 TDs... I'd guess that's probably good for Top 40-60 in the league... but not exactly setting the world on fire either. Solid in the 3rd-5th rounds, a bit underwhelming in the 1st.
Also, I'm not sure anybody considered him a pre-draft 1st rounder, regardless of this "report" on his blindness. Even at the time I think it's obvious he wasn't going to go ahead of Hearst, Bettis or Robert Smith... who were the only RBs taken in round 1. Of course, I was a drunken college student at the time of this draft, so I don't claim to have been an expert at the time.
These videos should be 5-6 minutes long.
Some of them earn the 12-17 minute run times... but yea... this wasn't one of them. He repeats the same basic info a lot of in some of these.
Now thas a crazy lie
I liked him for the Dolphins..I thought he was the fix for them
You misuse the term "blind." You seem to think that the term "legally blind" is synonymous with the term "blind." It isn't.
Yes, Bob Gresie was "LEGALLY BLIND" when he won the Super Bowls for the Dolphins, but he was not blind in the sense that he could not see at all.
You need to use words more carefully. Someone who is LEGALLY BIND is treatable for his type of blindness.
Someone who is ACTUALLY BLIND is not treatable for his type of blindness. It makes a difference.
LIVE NFL TRIVIA EVERY Wednesday night on TWITCH!!!!! Test your FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE and win CASH PRIZES!!!!!! Yeah well the 1993 NFL draft was WORSE WORSE than a 39.6. EVERYONE of those PLAYERS should SPIKE the football into the ground EVERY time their team's offense is on the FIELD!!!!! On EVERY SINGLE DOWN!!!!
Let's be perfectly honest. That so-called "expert" never said anything once it came out the report was a lie was because he made the whole thing up, and whatever good he did have would have been destroyed forever.
To paraphrase another Draft: "Who the fuck is Joel Buschbaum anyway?"
I'M SURE IT WAS RACIAL
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