Agreed but I thought he'd have some funny little drawing or something behind the viewer camera so I tried to turn the camera around, or maybe a changing joke behind you. Sort of like the VR360 RVB video that has the focus be Griff and Simmons talking, but looking behind saw Blue team sneaking in and stealing the flag before taunting the two and hopping off the base.
that and the "unless..." part. having a cartoon character come up 5cm in front of you and clap his hands right in front of your eyes inspires a new kind of fear.
Very cool that you decided to make the 2D version. Would be a shame if the original video would become unwatchable in the future, thus rendering it an example of the problem it tackles.
When I watched the original, I felt like I understood why something as simple as a different aspect ratio and smaller screen size can ruin a movie. But I didn't truly understand until this video released, and I compared it to the original. It's just... off. I always feel like the screen is too close, the movie theater ended up slightly distorted, and (as you said) Imax just isn't impressive viewed in 2D.
Even though I haven't watched the VR video in VR, just in a moderately big TV PC monitor (watching from 40-ish cm away, so it takes up most of my central vision), I definitely agree. Everything is zoomed in, so it feels too close even though it's just bigger than it was originally, very optical illusion-esque.
the fact the 2d version feels so wrong, even though i don't have a working headset and watched the vr one on my phone in a spinny chair, really rubs in the point.
No. In VR showing a 2D image is just as pointless as sitting on a meeting watching a power point on a projector. And we are not talking a nice office or anything. But a old projector pointing at a wall interfering with wall clocks and whatever else. And no AC and air is stagnant so you get a headache + unconformable seating. For a power point that is booring, pointless and as good to watch at home without having to start up a car find parking and pay for all of that... Just to watch a power point. 16:9 and 4:3 is the only screen standards. Black bars is only allowed to bridge the gap. And possibly if a movie or whatever creator know wtf they are doing and not just being a ass about refusing to use the tools available to make stuff as good as possible. 16:9, VR, 4:3. Simple as.
This artstyle is disgustingly cute. I love it. I want a plushie of the talkie person thing you made, and the fact that one probs doesn't exist makes me MAD for inexplicable, dumb reasons.
I feel like uploading this 2D version perfectly cemented the idea that while watching the original is better, it doesn't hurt to give the audience choices.
@@Spherehead123 this video was made like this because most browsers can’t play vr videos anymore, and mobile controls are sucky, making a perfect example of the limitations of the consumer grade products for media reproduction.
@@Jzombi301 what do you mean headset? You can just click and drag in the browser to move the camera around like I do. It's been like that since youtube first added 360 view way back in I think 2014?
It's awesome that you made it 2D, but the fact that it lacks the "Cope Seethe Mald" poster makes it clear that the intended way to enjoy it at it's fullest is by VR. The irony of this video needing to be made in 2D so many people could watch is a magnificent way to showcase your point!
@@shinoku250_gaming as headsets get better I don't see why they would discontinue the medium. Might be rather niche at this moment but soon enough especially with micro led tech coming along we should see another decent boom in headset buyers at least from those waiting on it(myself included), plus headsets aren't that expensive even when compared to consoles these days, only thing they lack is content.
This feels so cramped. This version actually adds a lot to the point that watching something the way it wasn't designed for can make watching it much worse lol
On the other hand, the constantly moving screen of my tablet due to the VR made it hard to see the smaller images/videos. I appreciate both version and think the original was a cool idea. But VR and I don‘t mix. =)
@@Kaimax61 wdym expensive, they're already so cheap now. I doubt vr headsets will go under $300, and especially with the new headsets being released with more features at low prices, vr headsets are definitely not expensive. At least not anymore.
10:50 The "zoomed out" home video release thing is actually a result of overscanning. Many movies were shot on 4-perforation 35mm film (Academy 1.375:1), however, the SMPTE "flat" standard aspect ratio (1.85:1) is wider. Film was distributed on 4-perf 35mm film just like it was shot on, so in order to crop it down, you used an aperture plate, which just blocks the top and bottom of the image in the projector. If you're out of frame (showing too much of the top or bottom, or in home video's case, overscanned) you are showing things that the director didn't want you to see (boom mics, sethands, etc).
TBF, some directors actually planned around that. Stanley Kubrick, for instance, actually shot his last 3 films with this in mind since he didn’t really like his films being cropped for home viewing but also still wanted the screen to be filled no matter where it was shown.
thank u noodle for listening to your fan base. if you ever plan on making future VR content, also releasing a 2D version is really useful for accessibility with your audience. with this version of the video, I now feel like I understand your intention with the original, but when I initially watched the original when it came out, I found it really hard to pay attention as my ADHD/autism made it hard to concentrate as so much stuff was happening around me. hell, even in this version I found myself looking at the broken house more than your wee little screen on the table. but sincerely, thank you. keep making what you want, you're an inspiration
For whatever it's worth, I went through the (somewhat arduous) process of getting the video to work on my headset and I had a blast. I understand why this version exists, but I still really liked the original, and think it was worth your effort making it in VR.
I loved the original, even with the finicky controls of youtube VR, but I respect your decision and ability to make the video 2D. I feel like giving **us** the option to watch it however we prefer (even if the VR vid is objectively so much cooler) speaks to the core of your message really well
VR is indeed much cooler, alas for people like me it was completely unwatchable due to running at about 4 fps, so I'll have to thank Noodle for giving us this 2d version
by the way, is the original video actually supposed to be viewed in like, ACTUAL vr? because for me the only way to watch youtube 360 stuff on VR is to see it in a tiny little screen, and I seriously can't tell if noodle intended the video to be viewed by this
As painful and janky TH-cam VR is on my tiny phone, seeing the opening to the dark knight and the awe-inspiring sandworm in dune as though I'm in in actual IMAX theater made the whole experience worth it; Even if you choose to watch this version instead of the original I highly recommend just jumping to the IMAX part in the original to truly understand.
@@cantthinkofaname5046 Well, there exists an VR App that's trying to make that possible it's called Bigscreen VR you can even get it on the Quest 2 Store. It's more of a social storefront for Cinema Movies, but you can turn all the social stuff off, and you can even bypass the storefront aspect, as long as you already own a version of the movie you want to watch. you can just view them through any Home DLNA server, for example Plex. Although if you don't own it, you can just buy tickets to view it like any old Theater and watch from Bigscreen VR's Servers... It's a great experience and prob the best Cinema Quality VR App out ATM.
@@ProtoPropskii’ve also discovered that steam has a built in vr theatre mode and also has the option to display the screen in 3d (which I found while figuring out how the hell to set up a flatscreen game as a vr game using a mod which was way more troublesome than it should’ve been…)
Even when I had watched the original video in a browser, I noticed the difference immediately. The fact that I had to constantly zoom in and out to fit the content in the screen was key to pass the feeling you were trying to convey and this 2D version simply don't have the same impact.
The fact that you took the time to edit this, so u could constantly remind us we're watching a worse version, encapsulates the whole reason I subbed to your channel in the first place.
he didn't Adapt to his audience, technically it was an evolving art. It proved his point with the inferior version, but it's nice to see it without the vr stuff.
Witnessing both versions of this video adds a new level of appreciation for Noodle because he literally had to change the aspect ratio and other things to make the 2d version work. An actually mastermind at work.
I love how your entire atmosphere of these videos feels like Chaotic Neutral with a point. Just enough craziness to keep you tuned in while still sending home the facts of whatever topic your covering. Love it!
love the new feeling that this video gives . I'm actually amazed by the fact that every video you are trying to explore new techniques, new artstyles, new everything basically. keep up the good work
Thank you! I had to miss out on the VR one because I literally cannot play videos at a higher resolution than 144p, so the 3D one was nothing but unintelligible fuzz. This one is watchable. Thank you.
i love how the thumbnail shows that this is the 2d version by having someone watching the original video, its like someone filming a 3d movie with a normal camera. pretty cool
Honestly, considering the topic of both videos, the 2D version serves as an interesting (and I'd argue artistic to an extent) companion to the original, as the existence of both is a great example of the "two version" problem you mention in the video, much like how the original being made for VR and being watched on 2D screens served as an example of "It was made for X medium and is now being forced onto Y medium."
I really just want to express how awesome it is that you not only listened, but changed some (admittedly minor) things in the 2d version of this video, which of course means a ton of extra work that technically you didn't have to do. Both versions are great, and you remain one of the best creators on the platform.
I appreciate the extra video. The original version was really cool, but it could be difficult to watch if you weren't actively using/interacting with the VR aspect of it. It's rather amusing that a video that goes into how the various methods of adapting movies for home viewing could drastically negatively impact how they were intended to be experienced ended up being altered from its intended method of viewing.
Thank you noodle! It really sucks not to watch the way it was intended but as you discoursed in your video, sometimes directors gotta sacrifice some things in order to fit the device/screen. I'm really happy you made a second version
As a cinemagrapher, this video was amazing. I always shoot/record by 16:9 because I hate how widescreeen literally removes almost everything from the movie. Great video man.
Dealing with variable aspect ratios in games can be a headache, too. If it's even supported. Many older games, like the first two Max Payne games, don't support anything other than 4:3 and will get stretched if you run them at 1920*1080 on a modern widescreen display. If it _is_ supported, it's often badly programmed by fixing the horizontal or vertical component of the camera's field of view and adjusting the other to match. If they fix the horizontal, then going wider cuts out your vertical view. If they fix the vertical, then going to a portrait orientation cuts your horizontal view. The correct way to do it is to take the minimum of the two, match that to the FOV slider, and expand the other. This may have gotten better with the advent of smartphones which can rotate the display at a moment's notice, but there's bound to be lots of lazy programmers who've never done anything for mobile platforms, so I remain cautiously pessimistic.
I'm really glad to see this, I still like the concept behind the original, and I hope TH-cam makes things easier to use for their VR controls because that was my biggest issue with it, but having this is really good, and like others said great to have a backup for when TH-cam inevitably fucks up and takes all VR videos down or some nonsense
i appreciate that this version existing basically prove the Conclusion even better, yeah it is accessible & that's good, but it's also the worse version of the experience... but at least for now the intended version is still accessible so we got the options
Thank you for making this version of the video. I had one of the bigger comments about phone issues and nausea, and it was a whole lot more comfortable to watch this format. As others have already mentioned, this does actually do a good job of illustrating your point. With certain gags being missed and the difference between different formats not seeming as large
Really enjoyed this video in the VR mode, even tho on phones its pretty jacked up. Cool that you reposted in 2D, hope it gets the same message through as good as the VR one
Seeing the aspect ratios in VR honestly confused me and it took me like straight up two minutes to realize what you meant by title of your video. While I the VR version was definitely unique and cool to look at and I also get the point of having it in VR, I’m glad that there’s a normal version that can help those who can’t handle VR. Awesome job on both videos! 😁👍
Thank you for accounting for us poor lads out here with no VR or patience to move our phone screens around. Great video, looking forward to the next one!
Thank you so much. I've seen it in the original but TH-cam made it really hard. I still annoyed it and now I can also see it completely. Thank you again!
I said that watching your vids are like an experience that's an understatement. It's crazy that this version was created within discussing the topic of releases not going with the direction and choices of the creator and it really highlights it. You took an experience and you made it into a video. A regular old video that takes the magic of an experience and kinda tosses it in the trash can. Further amplifying and strengthening your point. A meta joke that just makes you even more correct. You, my boy, are the smartest dummy I have ever did done lain my droopy little eyes on.
As much as I enjoyed the VR version of this video, one can only last so long being in the same room as noodle before they are overcome with holy fear, so I'm glad this much less terrifying version exists.
I think the original version was inventive and fun. I commend you for making this version as well, but i also want to acknowledge that i liked the VR idea and think it was worth doing / exploring.
Noodle when he makes a video that only a fraction of his audience can enjoy the way he intended, then releases it in a way that all of his audience can enjoy but enjoy slightly less than if they had the original version
Really liked the original video, but I'm glad you made this available! I see them as complementary experiences in a way, you can actually corroborate your original point by giving the option of seeing the version as you originally intended and this simplified yet more accessible one
I love you sound design in this one. hearing you pull things outta my ear was so neat. all the little things happening on each side of the screen just made me laugh as it happend.
Loved how you originally used the VR format to convey scale/size and really get the aspect ratio experiences across, but this version's alright for people who only have mobile or smthn
Glad you made a version of the video I could actually enjoy. Nothing worse than having to sit perfectly still to watch a video without feeling motion sick
So glad you did this noodle. I didn't want to say anything for fear of getting torn apart by fanboys. It was really hard for me to watch and this was much better in my opinion :)
You have one of the coolest most distinct and entertaining video formats I've yet to come across It feels like so much heart is put into these videos, great work!
Thank you for uploading this version. I absolutely love the original, and I sincerely believe you used youtube's VR functions better than 99% of VR videos. It also just didn't vibe with my phone at all and I had no better way to go about it. You're honestly one of my favourite youtubers, and I always love hearing your thoughts on things I thought I never cared about.
I just realize the application all of the critiques in the video. have yet to watch the VR version, but the fact that you are not only preaching what other creators had to go through, you’re also demonstrating the solutions and how we’re able to capture the narrative with framing
When watching the original, I REALLY understood the point about how VR can alter a movie's screen to fit whatever aspect ratio the movie director wanted. When rewatching it in 2D (either downloading the original or this version) I absolutely get the part where "It has to be widely adopted" for it to work.
Very impressed how well this turned out, and how quickly you did it! I hadn't considered that you have full control of the 3d camera. At least, I thought it would take a lot of effort to recompose each shot, but it seems to have worked out quite well without needing to move any geometry (that I could notice). This just goes to further reinforce the ideas of preservation and tailor made accommodation discussed in the video too! I do appreciate the editor notes though, to make it clear that this is a compromise, not the best way to experience it. Seriously, cannot praise the VR version enough!
I actually didn't think about this before. I actually just realized while watching this video that everything in this video is true. I used to LOVE going to the theatres, because it was on a big wide screen. But finding this out just makes me mad. I'm glad they made screens wide on tvs. (btw I just wanna say you're my new favorite animator I love watching you rant about controversy without worrying about other people getting mad)
I like how this video allows me to see a majority of 3D animation that I didn't know where to look at in the right time for the original,now able to see every little detail like how the small tv goes more and more left on the table until it doesn't.
11:18 Apparently, CAPS animated most of the 80's and early 90's Disney movies in native 1.6:1 to accommodate both theater and home release crop. Was the Blu-Ray release trying to emulate that??? I honestly don't know; as you said, the decision makes no sense.
But Robbin Hood was way before CAPS was even used. The last movie Disney made before switching to CAPS was The Little Mermaid. So that still makes no sense.
@@chrisfratz Yeah, it was a bit of a stab in the dark. But it's literally the only thing I could think of, because the decision is legitimately freaking awful. Shot composition is one of an animator's best tools, and this kind of archiving utterly fucking breaks it.
Thank you for providing this option so I could watch this video the way I want to. As much as I value artistic intent it is much harder to watch TH-cam in bed when every movement of my phone puts the video out of frame
I'm extremely thankful that you decided to make a non-VR version. VR is not accessible to me in any way, but I still wanted to consume your content. This video in particular interested me. I do now wish, having seen the video, that I had a way to watch the VR version, and, should that ever come to me, I will for sure. But for now, I'm just glad I got to see the video.
Thank you for doing this Noodle, I know it wasn't how you intended but this did allow me to be better understand and focus on the points you were trying to make Tho wasn't a fan of the reminders that this is a worse version, I know it was to sell your point, but it sorta soured an otherwise great alternative for people who couldn't waych the original properly. Kinda felt like talking down on accessibility Also, personally, the Imax demonstration didn't feel like it got lost here, still enjoyed that reveal just as much.
Corrections: 16:9 is an invention of the digital age. People who saw Robin Hood in theaters originally would have saw it in 1.66:1 most likely, but there was leeway in either direction (1.85 and 1.33 being the most common by far). Some theaters would still have had 4:3 screens and shown it that way. In fact if you were to look at print of a sound movie from this era, the picture would actually be about 1.2:1 because the sound part takes up some of what used to be picture, so even in 4:3 it's cropped slightly. These movies were never meant to be seen in this full 1.2:1 height, and it was not uncommon for boom mics or other unwanted parts of the set to be at the extremes of the frame that would have been cropped out, even for home video releases. Seinfeld wasn't "upscaled" to 4k, it was shot on film and rescanned in the 4k (or so) resolution it always existed in. Digital IMAX is usually 1.89:1
Some interesting notes from film history: On the Waterfront is a film made in 1954. Its a grest one. It was also shot to protect three aspect ratios: academy ratio (1.33:1), widescreen (1.85:1), and the middle ground 1.66:1, the widest image older square screen theaters could project. A lot of films from this era were shot this way so they could be sold to the largest number of theaters, and the director had no preference for any specific ratio. Criterion Collection released a whole set where the main feature on disc 1 is the middle ratio and the second disc has the film in both full frame and widescreen. TWO YEARS EARLIER This is Cinerama released. And at release it only was shown in roadshow settings. This thing was not only taller (6 perfs high vs 4 perfs of literally every other film) but also used three reels of synced film side-by-side (along with a fourth for surround sound and a fifth with a “breakdown reel” of extra scenes for when this delicate system inevitabley broke and something went out of sync) for the first popular ultra widescreen experience. And for the Blu-ray releases of Cinerama films they invented “Smileboxing” to curve the image along the flat screens to simulate the giant Cinerama screens. So you can only see it sorta like it was intended at home if you have a curved TV or monitor, cause there’s only two or three Cinerama theaters left in the whole world.
8:47 That coin bit was funny, but the next bit of "being born yesterday" happening *literally the day after my birthday* is freaky But thank you Noodle (:
I watched this version after watching the first one in my quest 2... AND OH MY GOD, YOU HAVE SUCH A VALID POINT. so much DEPTH is lost when you change the resolution / how you are supposed to view it
It’s kinda ironic how your solution to showcase every aspect ratio ended up being excluded from certain people who weren’t able to view the thing the way the creator intended. Love you and the video tho
I will say this is a pretty good version. I feel while the VR works in IMAX sections it only hurts the rest of the video that has zero reason to be in VR like now I can actually see the text on images you use along with transitions between sections feeling more natural compared to the VR version.
Not gonna lie, I came here for 15:34. But also, as a huge fan of accessibiltiy (INCREDIBLY IRONIC given the video itself), thank you. In a really weird, meta sense, comparing the "VR" video and this "2D" video nails the point down even further - we can't watch the video in the way YOU, the creator, intended, and it doesn't come off right... but at the same time, we NEEDED it.
Absolutely brilliant set of videos, as a collector of VHS tapes, the beginning section was a joy to watch, also I watched this video half in VR before realizing you uploaded another version, and realizing how brilliant it is.
That "is he behind you?" Line was alot more menacing in vr because you couldn't fully look behind you
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Agreed but I thought he'd have some funny little drawing or something behind the viewer camera so I tried to turn the camera around, or maybe a changing joke behind you. Sort of like the VR360 RVB video that has the focus be Griff and Simmons talking, but looking behind saw Blue team sneaking in and stealing the flag before taunting the two and hopping off the base.
When he said that to me I fully turned around and just stared into the black void of nothingness lol
I always thought someone was going to be staring at you outside of the cameras view like on the ceiling or something
that and the "unless..." part. having a cartoon character come up 5cm in front of you and clap his hands right in front of your eyes inspires a new kind of fear.
Very cool that you decided to make the 2D version. Would be a shame if the original video would become unwatchable in the future, thus rendering it an example of the problem it tackles.
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When I watched the original, I felt like I understood why something as simple as a different aspect ratio and smaller screen size can ruin a movie. But I didn't truly understand until this video released, and I compared it to the original. It's just... off. I always feel like the screen is too close, the movie theater ended up slightly distorted, and (as you said) Imax just isn't impressive viewed in 2D.
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Even though I haven't watched the VR video in VR, just in a moderately big TV PC monitor (watching from 40-ish cm away, so it takes up most of my central vision), I definitely agree.
Everything is zoomed in, so it feels too close even though it's just bigger than it was originally, very optical illusion-esque.
@@CarMedicine i didnt even do that, i watched the original on my phone and the effect still worked
bro you're right wtf
@@YAOMTC if you watch the VR version on a VR headset it actually does have 3D depth as well as being a 180° VR video
the fact the 2d version feels so wrong, even though i don't have a working headset and watched the vr one on my phone in a spinny chair, really rubs in the point.
Yeah it feels so cramp
No. In VR showing a 2D image is just as pointless as sitting on a meeting watching a power point on a projector. And we are not talking a nice office or anything. But a old projector pointing at a wall interfering with wall clocks and whatever else. And no AC and air is stagnant so you get a headache + unconformable seating. For a power point that is booring, pointless and as good to watch at home without having to start up a car find parking and pay for all of that... Just to watch a power point.
16:9 and 4:3 is the only screen standards. Black bars is only allowed to bridge the gap. And possibly if a movie or whatever creator know wtf they are doing and not just being a ass about refusing to use the tools available to make stuff as good as possible. 16:9, VR, 4:3. Simple as.
@@TheDiner50what is bro talking about
This artstyle is disgustingly cute. I love it. I want a plushie of the talkie person thing you made, and the fact that one probs doesn't exist makes me MAD for inexplicable, dumb reasons.
I feel like uploading this 2D version perfectly cemented the idea that while watching the original is better, it doesn't hurt to give the audience choices.
Lets just downgrade everything and go back to Low aspect ratios, a majority of the consumers wont even care.
@@Spherehead123 Still doesn't hurt to give the option to the consumer on whether or not they want the original or the resized version.
too bad i dont have a headset so i dont have that option 🫤
@@Spherehead123 this video was made like this because most browsers can’t play vr videos anymore, and mobile controls are sucky, making a perfect example of the limitations of the consumer grade products for media reproduction.
@@Jzombi301 what do you mean headset? You can just click and drag in the browser to move the camera around like I do. It's been like that since youtube first added 360 view way back in I think 2014?
It's awesome that you made it 2D, but the fact that it lacks the "Cope Seethe Mald" poster makes it clear that the intended way to enjoy it at it's fullest is by VR. The irony of this video needing to be made in 2D so many people could watch is a magnificent way to showcase your point!
Some jokes got letterboxed out of frame, just like the examples he mentions in the video.
Yeah, but what will happen when DumbTube will inevitably discontinue 360 and the video vanishes into thin air?
@@aserta They won't (probably)
@@shinoku250_gaming as headsets get better I don't see why they would discontinue the medium. Might be rather niche at this moment but soon enough especially with micro led tech coming along we should see another decent boom in headset buyers at least from those waiting on it(myself included), plus headsets aren't that expensive even when compared to consoles these days, only thing they lack is content.
@@NarutoMagicCyclops Yeah exactly, VR isn't just for games after all, it's just the main attraction of it.
This feels so cramped. This version actually adds a lot to the point that watching something the way it wasn't designed for can make watching it much worse lol
On the other hand, the constantly moving screen of my tablet due to the VR made it hard to see the smaller images/videos. I appreciate both version and think the original was a cool idea. But VR and I don‘t mix. =)
exactly
@@ArDeeMee it also didn’t quite mix cause the text was a tad bit small so it would blur. At least for my phone it did
@@ArDeeMee On tablet/mobile, you can click and drag the screen around, as well as pinch to zoom
@@iamuss76 bit hard if you're using a headset though, like as was intended
6:28 I watched this video as an adblocker first and now again as a premium member. I have transcended labels
8:37 I actually have an ear infection in that ear rn so this part of the video was a bit of a jumpscare lol
go get that checked out dude
@@venhalla3232 I’m gonna dw
@@theundeadcactus6194 did you get checked out? did you die?
@@gumiho.c yeah it’s all good now, I literally just had a giant glob of earwax stuck in it
I love how your proving your whole point by uploading both how the video is intended and the one to accommodate for people without a VR headset
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It’s pretty meta how we all get to experience this change in format for accessibility in real time
We need to go deeper! Maybe an audiobook version and then paperback followed by a version that's just the smell of the idea of the video.
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this entire version of the video existing makes me realize youtube vr was honestly really cool and they should update it again
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Agreed
@@ckorp666 I mean, With VR headsets still expensive and wonky and the rate of usage is still pretty low of course it's easier to implement Shorts.
@@Kaimax61 Shorts are so useless tbh, they would save more if shorts never existed.
@@Kaimax61 wdym expensive, they're already so cheap now. I doubt vr headsets will go under $300, and especially with the new headsets being released with more features at low prices, vr headsets are definitely not expensive. At least not anymore.
10:50 The "zoomed out" home video release thing is actually a result of overscanning. Many movies were shot on 4-perforation 35mm film (Academy 1.375:1), however, the SMPTE "flat" standard aspect ratio (1.85:1) is wider. Film was distributed on 4-perf 35mm film just like it was shot on, so in order to crop it down, you used an aperture plate, which just blocks the top and bottom of the image in the projector. If you're out of frame (showing too much of the top or bottom, or in home video's case, overscanned) you are showing things that the director didn't want you to see (boom mics, sethands, etc).
TBF, some directors actually planned around that. Stanley Kubrick, for instance, actually shot his last 3 films with this in mind since he didn’t really like his films being cropped for home viewing but also still wanted the screen to be filled no matter where it was shown.
thank u noodle for listening to your fan base. if you ever plan on making future VR content, also releasing a 2D version is really useful for accessibility with your audience. with this version of the video, I now feel like I understand your intention with the original, but when I initially watched the original when it came out, I found it really hard to pay attention as my ADHD/autism made it hard to concentrate as so much stuff was happening around me. hell, even in this version I found myself looking at the broken house more than your wee little screen on the table.
but sincerely, thank you. keep making what you want, you're an inspiration
For whatever it's worth, I went through the (somewhat arduous) process of getting the video to work on my headset and I had a blast. I understand why this version exists, but I still really liked the original, and think it was worth your effort making it in VR.
noodle running very quickly towards you and slapping your face just hits different in first person
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@@pumpkin_pants3828 it hits different damn right
how did you get it to work with pcvr?
yeah im with the guy above me, how did you get it to work on pc? i thought youtube vr wasnt downloadable anymore
I loved the original, even with the finicky controls of youtube VR, but I respect your decision and ability to make the video 2D. I feel like giving **us** the option to watch it however we prefer (even if the VR vid is objectively so much cooler) speaks to the core of your message really well
Indeed yes
VR is indeed much cooler, alas for people like me it was completely unwatchable due to running at about 4 fps, so I'll have to thank Noodle for giving us this 2d version
how many of yall actually have a headset to watch it on tho? i just watched the og on my computer screen. it just looked zoomed out, not too bad
It was neat, yeah.
It was also a bit of a nightmare to watch on a normal phone.
by the way, is the original video actually supposed to be viewed in like, ACTUAL vr? because for me the only way to watch youtube 360 stuff on VR is to see it in a tiny little screen, and I seriously can't tell if noodle intended the video to be viewed by this
As painful and janky TH-cam VR is on my tiny phone, seeing the opening to the dark knight and the awe-inspiring sandworm in dune as though I'm in in actual IMAX theater made the whole experience worth it; Even if you choose to watch this version instead of the original I highly recommend just jumping to the IMAX part in the original to truly understand.
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I *need* streaming services to start having vr for theatrical movies, it would be phenomenal
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Well, there exists an VR App that's trying to make that possible it's called Bigscreen VR you can even get it on the Quest 2 Store.
It's more of a social storefront for Cinema Movies, but you can turn all the social stuff off, and you can even bypass the storefront aspect, as long as you already own a version of the movie you want to watch. you can just view them through any Home DLNA server, for example Plex.
Although if you don't own it, you can just buy tickets to view it like any old Theater and watch from Bigscreen VR's Servers...
It's a great experience and prob the best Cinema Quality VR App out ATM.
@@ProtoPropski I’ve been in big screen, my main problem is that it has a very small selection of movies
@@ProtoPropskii’ve also discovered that steam has a built in vr theatre mode and also has the option to display the screen in 3d (which I found while figuring out how the hell to set up a flatscreen game as a vr game using a mod which was way more troublesome than it should’ve been…)
Even when I had watched the original video in a browser, I noticed the difference immediately. The fact that I had to constantly zoom in and out to fit the content in the screen was key to pass the feeling you were trying to convey and this 2D version simply don't have the same impact.
The VR version was so fun to watch. Thank you for taking the time to make both versions! Very cool and epic of you to do that.
The fact that you took the time to edit this, so u could constantly remind us we're watching a worse version, encapsulates the whole reason I subbed to your channel in the first place.
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Omnipresence comes in handy
What a lad. He actually has the patience to listen to his audience and adapt his videos to people that need it. Keep it up!
Yes, like how Pixar did!
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he didn't Adapt to his audience, technically it was an evolving art. It proved his point with the inferior version, but it's nice to see it without the vr stuff.
You can tell he wasn’t that happy about it lol
Are you sure about that, this further proves Noodle's point
Witnessing both versions of this video adds a new level of appreciation for Noodle because he literally had to change the aspect ratio and other things to make the 2d version work. An actually mastermind at work.
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I love how your entire atmosphere of these videos feels like Chaotic Neutral with a point. Just enough craziness to keep you tuned in while still sending home the facts of whatever topic your covering. Love it!
love the new feeling that this video gives . I'm actually amazed by the fact that every video you are trying to explore new techniques, new artstyles, new everything basically. keep up the good work
Thank you! I had to miss out on the VR one because I literally cannot play videos at a higher resolution than 144p, so the 3D one was nothing but unintelligible fuzz. This one is watchable. Thank you.
I love how this video isn't an exact carbon copy of the original video, with new jokes that land perfectly
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i love how the thumbnail shows that this is the 2d version by having someone watching the original video, its like someone filming a 3d movie with a normal camera. pretty cool
I love his delivery at 2:44
Honestly, considering the topic of both videos, the 2D version serves as an interesting (and I'd argue artistic to an extent) companion to the original, as the existence of both is a great example of the "two version" problem you mention in the video, much like how the original being made for VR and being watched on 2D screens served as an example of "It was made for X medium and is now being forced onto Y medium."
I really just want to express how awesome it is that you not only listened, but changed some (admittedly minor) things in the 2d version of this video, which of course means a ton of extra work that technically you didn't have to do. Both versions are great, and you remain one of the best creators on the platform.
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I let the ads run in both version so he has at least a tiny bit of reward. 🤷♀️
I appreciate the extra video. The original version was really cool, but it could be difficult to watch if you weren't actively using/interacting with the VR aspect of it. It's rather amusing that a video that goes into how the various methods of adapting movies for home viewing could drastically negatively impact how they were intended to be experienced ended up being altered from its intended method of viewing.
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Yo you go to rice?
Thank you noodle! It really sucks not to watch the way it was intended but as you discoursed in your video, sometimes directors gotta sacrifice some things in order to fit the device/screen. I'm really happy you made a second version
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As a cinemagrapher, this video was amazing. I always shoot/record by 16:9 because I hate how widescreeen literally removes almost everything from the movie. Great video man.
Dealing with variable aspect ratios in games can be a headache, too. If it's even supported. Many older games, like the first two Max Payne games, don't support anything other than 4:3 and will get stretched if you run them at 1920*1080 on a modern widescreen display. If it _is_ supported, it's often badly programmed by fixing the horizontal or vertical component of the camera's field of view and adjusting the other to match. If they fix the horizontal, then going wider cuts out your vertical view. If they fix the vertical, then going to a portrait orientation cuts your horizontal view. The correct way to do it is to take the minimum of the two, match that to the FOV slider, and expand the other. This may have gotten better with the advent of smartphones which can rotate the display at a moment's notice, but there's bound to be lots of lazy programmers who've never done anything for mobile platforms, so I remain cautiously pessimistic.
you know you are just supposed to like... frame it for your aspect ratio right?
Love this fade to white for the "it's a lie" theme ❤
You should totally keep it... as well as those "like a car" jokes out of nowhere ;P
I'm really glad to see this, I still like the concept behind the original, and I hope TH-cam makes things easier to use for their VR controls because that was my biggest issue with it, but having this is really good, and like others said great to have a backup for when TH-cam inevitably fucks up and takes all VR videos down or some nonsense
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For those of you wondering, yes the zoom at 12:19 was in the VR video too... actually scared me.
No it wasn't lol
@@noodlefunny there is, it's at 12:57 of the 3D video
i appreciate that this version existing basically prove the Conclusion even better, yeah it is accessible & that's good, but it's also the worse version of the experience... but at least for now the intended version is still accessible so we got the options
Thank you for making this version of the video. I had one of the bigger comments about phone issues and nausea, and it was a whole lot more comfortable to watch this format. As others have already mentioned, this does actually do a good job of illustrating your point. With certain gags being missed and the difference between different formats not seeming as large
Really enjoyed this video in the VR mode, even tho on phones its pretty jacked up. Cool that you reposted in 2D, hope it gets the same message through as good as the VR one
Seeing the aspect ratios in VR honestly confused me and it took me like straight up two minutes to realize what you meant by title of your video. While I the VR version was definitely unique and cool to look at and I also get the point of having it in VR, I’m glad that there’s a normal version that can help those who can’t handle VR. Awesome job on both videos! 😁👍
Thank you for accounting for us poor lads out here with no VR or patience to move our phone screens around. Great video, looking forward to the next one!
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I didn't even realise until I saw the first video, that my new phone doesn't even have the option to use VR, like my old one did. This displeases me.
Thank you so much. I've seen it in the original but TH-cam made it really hard. I still annoyed it and now I can also see it completely. Thank you again!
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I hate how much I love your videos that I had to come back three weeks after you posted it just to say how much I love this video
I said that watching your vids are like an experience that's an understatement. It's crazy that this version was created within discussing the topic of releases not going with the direction and choices of the creator and it really highlights it. You took an experience and you made it into a video. A regular old video that takes the magic of an experience and kinda tosses it in the trash can. Further amplifying and strengthening your point. A meta joke that just makes you even more correct. You, my boy, are the smartest dummy I have ever did done lain my droopy little eyes on.
It's like Jackass 4.5 but no
Honestly, as someone who watched this in VR I still think it's kind of cool to watch this version just to see how you adapted it for 2D
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As much as I enjoyed the VR version of this video, one can only last so long being in the same room as noodle before they are overcome with holy fear, so I'm glad this much less terrifying version exists.
I think the original version was inventive and fun. I commend you for making this version as well, but i also want to acknowledge that i liked the VR idea and think it was worth doing / exploring.
Noodle when he makes a video that only a fraction of his audience can enjoy the way he intended, then releases it in a way that all of his audience can enjoy but enjoy slightly less than if they had the original version
The irony of this video turning into exactly what noodle complains about for 20 minutes is not lost on me
I watched the VR version and enjoyed it a lot but I like this version so I can appreciate the very nice 3D you did for this, I love it
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@@ibranmlr6139 Goodness dude, how many indeed do you need for each comment?
The video looks great both ways, and that’s actually impressive.
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Really liked the original video, but I'm glad you made this available! I see them as complementary experiences in a way, you can actually corroborate your original point by giving the option of seeing the version as you originally intended and this simplified yet more accessible one
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I love you sound design in this one. hearing you pull things outta my ear was so neat. all the little things happening on each side of the screen just made me laugh as it happend.
Loved how you originally used the VR format to convey scale/size and really get the aspect ratio experiences across, but this version's alright for people who only have mobile or smthn
Glad you made a version of the video I could actually enjoy. Nothing worse than having to sit perfectly still to watch a video without feeling motion sick
Aww so kind, thanks for actually doing this for the people who couldn't stomach vr even if it makes the point worser. Cool video bro
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So glad you did this noodle. I didn't want to say anything for fear of getting torn apart by fanboys. It was really hard for me to watch and this was much better in my opinion :)
You have one of the coolest most distinct and entertaining video formats I've yet to come across
It feels like so much heart is put into these videos, great work!
damn it noodle... i now have to watch this video again in an inferior way just so the algorithm doesn't kill you... LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!!!
9:00 Just noticed Fred replaced the fucking Joker. That’s good.
This man is really just a visionary of animation for youtube😂
Thank you for uploading this version. I absolutely love the original, and I sincerely believe you used youtube's VR functions better than 99% of VR videos. It also just didn't vibe with my phone at all and I had no better way to go about it. You're honestly one of my favourite youtubers, and I always love hearing your thoughts on things I thought I never cared about.
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I just realize the application all of the critiques in the video. have yet to watch the VR version, but the fact that you are not only preaching what other creators had to go through, you’re also demonstrating the solutions and how we’re able to capture the narrative with framing
Your comment about Zack Schneider seeing an IMAX screen had me rolling. But then you said why you saw the Dark Knight and I subbed.
When watching the original, I REALLY understood the point about how VR can alter a movie's screen to fit whatever aspect ratio the movie director wanted.
When rewatching it in 2D (either downloading the original or this version) I absolutely get the part where "It has to be widely adopted" for it to work.
Very impressed how well this turned out, and how quickly you did it! I hadn't considered that you have full control of the 3d camera. At least, I thought it would take a lot of effort to recompose each shot, but it seems to have worked out quite well without needing to move any geometry (that I could notice). This just goes to further reinforce the ideas of preservation and tailor made accommodation discussed in the video too! I do appreciate the editor notes though, to make it clear that this is a compromise, not the best way to experience it. Seriously, cannot praise the VR version enough!
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This legend just made a video about ruining movies with formats they weren't meant for, and then ruined that video with a format it wasn't meant for
It's super easy and manageable to own a passable projector now. They should offer full aspect on anything streamed
I didn’t even realize that the “Ad Break” segment wasn’t a sponsorship in the original. That was a really well set up joke; well done.
Loved the original, showed it to my friends with my Index. Glad you're making it more accesible
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How do you watch the original on the Index?? I couldn't figure it out
@@KawaiiJessJ I used virtual desktop, it's $15 but pretty useful, especially if you use VR often at all
Watching this video on a 16:10 laptop was a cool experience since I got real letterboxes to go with your letterboxes.
I actually didn't think about this before. I actually just realized while watching this video that everything in this video is true. I used to LOVE going to the theatres, because it was on a big wide screen. But finding this out just makes me mad. I'm glad they made screens wide on tvs. (btw I just wanna say you're my new favorite animator I love watching you rant about controversy without worrying about other people getting mad)
I like how this video allows me to see a majority of 3D animation that I didn't know where to look at in the right time for the original,now able to see every little detail like how the small tv goes more and more left on the table until it doesn't.
I actually watched the original video on my VR headset, but I still watch this one because I support your content!
11:18 Apparently, CAPS animated most of the 80's and early 90's Disney movies in native 1.6:1 to accommodate both theater and home release crop. Was the Blu-Ray release trying to emulate that??? I honestly don't know; as you said, the decision makes no sense.
But Robbin Hood was way before CAPS was even used. The last movie Disney made before switching to CAPS was The Little Mermaid. So that still makes no sense.
@@chrisfratz Yeah, it was a bit of a stab in the dark. But it's literally the only thing I could think of, because the decision is legitimately freaking awful. Shot composition is one of an animator's best tools, and this kind of archiving utterly fucking breaks it.
That midroll was done way too well
I really appreciate this. Noodle, u remain one of the coolest creators on the platform
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15:38 that scared the crap outa me when I watched it with my Vr headset
Thank you for providing this option so I could watch this video the way I want to. As much as I value artistic intent it is much harder to watch TH-cam in bed when every movement of my phone puts the video out of frame
0:50 watch the little boy move! I love ‘im
I can actually watch the video now, thank you
The VR version was such a fun treat, I loved it
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Thank you for doing both versions.
I'm extremely thankful that you decided to make a non-VR version.
VR is not accessible to me in any way, but I still wanted to consume your content. This video in particular interested me.
I do now wish, having seen the video, that I had a way to watch the VR version, and, should that ever come to me, I will for sure.
But for now, I'm just glad I got to see the video.
11:41 Anyone know the classic video game song that’s playing in the background at this point?
Thank you for doing this Noodle, I know it wasn't how you intended but this did allow me to be better understand and focus on the points you were trying to make
Tho wasn't a fan of the reminders that this is a worse version, I know it was to sell your point, but it sorta soured an otherwise great alternative for people who couldn't waych the original properly. Kinda felt like talking down on accessibility
Also, personally, the Imax demonstration didn't feel like it got lost here, still enjoyed that reveal just as much.
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2:13 he do a lil dance!!!!!
Corrections:
16:9 is an invention of the digital age. People who saw Robin Hood in theaters originally would have saw it in 1.66:1 most likely, but there was leeway in either direction (1.85 and 1.33 being the most common by far). Some theaters would still have had 4:3 screens and shown it that way. In fact if you were to look at print of a sound movie from this era, the picture would actually be about 1.2:1 because the sound part takes up some of what used to be picture, so even in 4:3 it's cropped slightly. These movies were never meant to be seen in this full 1.2:1 height, and it was not uncommon for boom mics or other unwanted parts of the set to be at the extremes of the frame that would have been cropped out, even for home video releases.
Seinfeld wasn't "upscaled" to 4k, it was shot on film and rescanned in the 4k (or so) resolution it always existed in.
Digital IMAX is usually 1.89:1
Some interesting notes from film history:
On the Waterfront is a film made in 1954. Its a grest one. It was also shot to protect three aspect ratios: academy ratio (1.33:1), widescreen (1.85:1), and the middle ground 1.66:1, the widest image older square screen theaters could project. A lot of films from this era were shot this way so they could be sold to the largest number of theaters, and the director had no preference for any specific ratio. Criterion Collection released a whole set where the main feature on disc 1 is the middle ratio and the second disc has the film in both full frame and widescreen.
TWO YEARS EARLIER This is Cinerama released. And at release it only was shown in roadshow settings. This thing was not only taller (6 perfs high vs 4 perfs of literally every other film) but also used three reels of synced film side-by-side (along with a fourth for surround sound and a fifth with a “breakdown reel” of extra scenes for when this delicate system inevitabley broke and something went out of sync) for the first popular ultra widescreen experience. And for the Blu-ray releases of Cinerama films they invented “Smileboxing” to curve the image along the flat screens to simulate the giant Cinerama screens. So you can only see it sorta like it was intended at home if you have a curved TV or monitor, cause there’s only two or three Cinerama theaters left in the whole world.
VR is grate my guy. Especially your bald spot
I live in austin and 6:40 creeped me out and caught me off guard
As someone who loves movies and suffers from motion sickness, I really hope that VR is not the future of movie-watching 😬
as somebody with a phone to small to fake VR with and not enough money for a legit VR I wholeheartedly agree
8:47 That coin bit was funny, but the next bit of "being born yesterday" happening *literally the day after my birthday* is freaky
But thank you Noodle (:
I watched this version after watching the first one in my quest 2...
AND OH MY GOD, YOU HAVE SUCH A VALID POINT.
so much DEPTH is lost when you change the resolution / how you are supposed to view it
It’s kinda ironic how your solution to showcase every aspect ratio ended up being excluded from certain people who weren’t able to view the thing the way the creator intended. Love you and the video tho
This is a good amount of dimensions. Very nice
I will say this is a pretty good version. I feel while the VR works in IMAX sections it only hurts the rest of the video that has zero reason to be in VR like now I can actually see the text on images you use along with transitions between sections feeling more natural compared to the VR version.
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Not gonna lie, I came here for 15:34. But also, as a huge fan of accessibiltiy (INCREDIBLY IRONIC given the video itself), thank you. In a really weird, meta sense, comparing the "VR" video and this "2D" video nails the point down even further - we can't watch the video in the way YOU, the creator, intended, and it doesn't come off right... but at the same time, we NEEDED it.
Absolutely brilliant set of videos, as a collector of VHS tapes, the beginning section was a joy to watch, also I watched this video half in VR before realizing you uploaded another version, and realizing how brilliant it is.