What's better? Oscar Robertson's Triple-Double Season or Wilt Chamberlain's 50pts season? Note: These two insane season averages both took place in the 61/62 season but neither of them won the MVP, Bill Russell did averaging 19pts and less rebounds than Wilt. So something else needed to be taken into account is not only the completeness of a player or a great skill a player has, but the amount of impact a player will have on a team(talking about Bill Russell here). Wilt played every game during that 80 game season and his Philadelphia Warriors finished with a record of 49-31(61% win). Robertson played in 79 games and in those games his team had a record of 42-37 (53% win). The Celtics that year finished with a record of 60-20(75% win) and you may be thinking well duh, Russell always had better teammates but lemme share this. Russell was injured for 4 games between January 24th-28th and in those 4 games in which he didn't play the Celtics went 0-4, and when he came back from injury they immediately went on a 6-game win streak. This means that the Celtics with Russell won 79% of their games, and 0% without him. Now to be fair, Wilt or Robertson probably deserved the MVP that season but team impact is just another aspect of greatness that should be looked at.
So, is the more complete player actually the better player? It seems like a simple question, but think about how many players that are probably very good overall, yet you wouldn't rank them over another NBA great. What do you think about that? *Something I wanted to add* In the video, I talk about Draymond Green. I wish I'd have spent more time there. He has an amazing skill set, however what I was trying to say is that I believe it's amplified by the team he plays on, not that he'd be a scrub without Curry or Klay (and now KD), but I certainly don't see him as a stand alone star in the same way I see Blake or AD. Anyways, like comment and sub if you enjoyed! Business email: Theweightliftingcentral@Gmail.com Patreon: patreon.com/dom2k16 Facebook: facebook.com/mrnba2khighlights Twitter: twitter.com/mr2khighlights Instagram: instagram.com/nba_2k_highlights Snapchat: Dom_2k
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GSW fan since 7/7/16 #KD FTW mike and lebron couldn't hit the half court fade away between the legs Triple front flip 100 pump 720 one hand tomahawk dunk that made scal unguardable
Metta World Paige because the Cavs organisation could not bring another all star to the team so he had to leave so they could stock pile draft picks. He did better than anyone else could ever have done with that team. He went 66-16 in 2009 with a trash squad. He was incredible.
I think CP3 is the most complete PG in the league still and he's actually getting better. He's shooting % is good he's shooting about 45% from 3 I think which is good while averaging 9 assists. I look at Stephen curry as more of a SG who just happens to play the point where as CP3 has all the qualities that a great PG should have. CP3 is a great perimeter defender now not everyone is going to be lockdown like Lebron but that having some good defense comes a long way
Isaac Hairston I'd say that in cp3's prime LeBron was barely a better defender because of his size and athleticism, but now CP3 has honestly dropped out defensively. I have to say though I completely agree with being the best all-around point guard today, including Westbrick.
Zalee Robinson Curry is fairly athletic, being one of the fastest point guards in the league, and his off-ball D is extremely underrated while on ball is just below average.
The best answer to this question is you have to analyze skills in terms of value. Is Draymond's passing as valuable as Blake's scoring ability? No, it's not. And his passing is mostly a product of the system he's in. Which means Draymond's passing ability is only valuable when he was talented players around him. You put Blake on ANY team in the NBA and his value as a scorer remains the same because his scoring isn't a product of the players he's around. In the case of LeBron, Mike, and Kobe, you have to ask yourself if LeBron's ability to excel at every aspect of the game less valuable than Mike and Kobe's ability to have that killer instinct. In my opinion, I'd rather have LeBron's ability because he requires less maintenance. I know that if push comes to shove and I lose a valuable player or two, I can rely on LeBron to up his production to carry the team. And the way I see basketball, that killer instinct is only useful in so many situations and can honestly be a huge detriment because it causes inefficiency and has a tendency to keep other players from being involved. And LeBron's value at scoring, rebounding, passing, and defending is so high, it's hard to just want a player that scores really well versus what LeBron can give you. Cause statistically, where you lose 3 points with LeBron, you gain another rebound and two more assists. It's all about assessing value. That's just my thoughts though. Really enjoyed the video! Keep up the great content!
John T. Washington As a Kobe fan and somebody afraid of calling anyone but Mike the GOAT for fear of him tracking me down and killing me (He really was THAT determined and inspired on the basketball court. A pissed off Mike could probably beat Kobe and/or LeBron one on two, unless they were both pissed off as well) I can see all of your points realistically.
SalaCommander26 As far as Blake is concerned, I think he's actually a better scorer without CP3. He always puts up big numbers when it's no CP3 + he has the keys to the offense. I would argue that LeBron is a lot scarier when he's in killer instinct mode. MJ's gonna beat you in scoring when he's angry. LeBron is just gonna dominate the whole game. A mad LeBron is crazy scary on defense but I would agree that an angry MJ could beat anyone on planet Earth under the right circumstances.
I understand where you're coming from, but I honestly think Kobe and MJ give you more defensively than LeBron. LeBron's basically only ever played elite defensively as a "free safety". Roaming around and suddenly jumping a passing lane for a steal or helping out on a drive and getting a block. But he's never been able to lock down anyone, unlike the other two. The thing about the killer instinct is that good or bad, they're not going down without a fight. 2010 vs Boston and even worse 2011 vs Dallas showed that you can't count on LeBron to always go 100%.
aja3longhorn no it means that u r the leader of your team you are the man in 4th quarter 2 seconds left down by 2 u step up and give ur team the win u dont miss and turnover the ball then get saved by ray allen and kyrie and then get all the credit OH AND DONT GET ME STARTED ON THE DALLAS SERIES
I've always considered the more "complete" player someone that makes the entire team better simply by being there. Dom2k is probably spot on with his take on Draymond Green. His teammates are some of the most prolific scorers the league has ever seen. Green doesn't have to be a good passer to get an assist, he simply has to pass the ball. A truly great passer not only finds the open man, but finds the open man when he's in the *best* position for scoring. That is what made a player like Steve Nash or Tony Parker so dangerous. Just them being there changes how the other team has to play basketball. That's not something Draymond Green or Blake Griffon can do. To me, a complete player isn't someone that can play all 5 positions, it's someone that makes the other 4 positions better.
Chris Paul is the second most complete player in my opinion behind Lebron but situations (Teammates and Injuries) keep him from having that same success.
Blind Richi i think Kobe's more complete than people think, he's a top 10 one on one defender of all time, great shooter, great finisher, athletic, a great passer than doesn't use that ability to the fullest, and has quite a few boards for a guard. Not saying he's one of the top 3 most complete ever just that aspects of his game are underrated because of his selfish attitude, like look at the highlights of him and shaq, kobe averaged 30 ppg and 7 assists per game in the '01 playoffs i believe, at least sometime around there
In Kobe's defensive he came into the NBA at 17 and played with the best player in the NBA for his first 7 years, that defiantly had something to do with his career average and also with Kobe and MJ obviously their stats went down at the end of their careers, now Lebron joined the league on a very very bad team making his stats great and still hasn't even Hit his decline at the end of his career yet, so keep this in consideration when just starting at stats and saying someone is better
Im Zini thank you someone actually understands. Also, Kobe didnt come into the league where he needed to start amd play 40-45 minutes a game. Not only that Kobe's whole career was in the west Lebrons was in the east where no one can argue since Celtics big 3 broke down there wasnt really a threat in the east unlike he west
I understand the playing in a bad team inflated stat argument but Kobe's fg% is very low. And besides the fundamental points rebounds assist category, Kobe's far behind MJ, LeBron, Bird etc in terms of advanced stats. His PER is a lot lower. His box +/- is a lot lower. Is that cause he was in a bad team? Look at Anthony Davis. He's in a much worse team than Kobe ever was, yet he has maintained an amazing PER and Box +/-. It's because Kobe liked trying to do everything on his own for most of his career and often dug himself a major hole he couldn't get out of. The Lakers current performance, much improved, is evidence. Take LeBron out of a team, they go from 60 to under 20 wins.
Im Zini don't whine about comparing stats when we all know that lebron is at a disadvantage. lebron has coasted for the regular season for a few years now, they should compare playoff stats
The Bond King kobes prime stats match up with Jordan's prime stats first of all, he only shot bad from the field when he was out of his prime and he didn't dig himself into anything he carried a team to one being one of the most successful teams ever! And the whole point of my comment was to point out Lebron has been set up to put up good stats and is still in his prime so he hasn't had his decline and Kobe on the other hand player with much much talent and then has his decline, if u take that into consideration then everything is different
I think this really touches on how much we tend to value a player's offense and more specifically points per game when evaluating a player. I would definitely agree that Draymond wouldn't have the same offensive impact on a team like the 76ers whereas someone like Griffin might, but I still think Draymond would have the same defensive impact that he has now. It's interesting that even though everyone agrees Draymond is the better defender and Blake is the better scorer, that Griffin is the one who would be given the superstar/better player label (and almost unanimously at that).
I think Blake Griffin's one of the most underrated players in nba history, if he wasn't such a great dunker he'd be in the conversation for top 10 player every year of his career cause 1. He's probably the most athletic big man ever 2. He has a decent mid range game 3. He's a great finisher, especially for his size 4. He's a damn good rebounder at around 8-9 every season and 5. He's a great passer, along with having a great handle for his size. The only problem with griffin is he's not a lockdown defender and can't create his own jumpshot or hit fadeaways, if he could do those two things he'd be a top 5 powerforward ever in my opinion
And notice how i said lockdown defender, blake can still defend at a better than decent level, he's not an elite defender but he's so athletic and strong he's able to hold his own and he's smart. To go along with all I said he's actually developed a 3 point shot somehow and if he were on the warriors instead of draymond... i know for a fact they'd be miles ahead of anyone including the cavs, i mean can you imagine blake with curry in pick in rolls where blake could also kick out to durant, thompson, or even curry for three, the man would average around 20 points and 7 assists with this warriors team, if it were last year's team he'd average 23 and 9 boards with 6-7 assists
Just my opinion, most of this makes sense except most athletic big. Check Dwight from the magic tho, and of course AD. Obviously he's one of the best dunkers too, (notice how I didn't say best, imagine the hate)
MLBFan432 But none of those guys were as explosive as blake in my opionon, and i did say probably the most athletic big man, anthony davis and dwight do make for a real argument though but yeah personally i'd say blake's the most athletic but you couldn't go wrong with any of those three and you could even mention shawn kemp
FreezeMayhem and btw, I agree that blake griffin would still be great without his dunking but I don't think he would get as much attention which would probably mean people thinking he's way worse than he is.
There's just no way in which Blake is more athletic than Orlando Shaq or prime David Robinson. Blake's very athletic but not the most ever, his mid-range game is still not that reliable compared to other PFs like Duncan, KG or Dirk, he's not that great of a finisher because he tends to go full speed to the rim and has very awkward footwork both finishing at the rim and in the post, he's not that good a rebounder, and he's a good passer for a big man but not at a level where it really registers as a positive (like Draymond). There's just no way he'll surpass Duncan, KG, Dirk, Barkley, Malone or McHale in my mind. There's only so high you can rank as a PF when you don't have a post game.
Id personally rather have a dude like Lillard, Harden, people that are really good at one or two specific things instead of "Being able to do anything" But thats just me i mean theres no need to be able to do anything if you got teamates that compronises your weaknesses
SirmalcolmHd you do realize James harden falls under the can do anything category, well except for defense, and lillard could easily fall under it too, except for his rebounding maybe
I'd say so. Like if you told me "Ok, whos your first pick to start a new team?" I'd probably pick 1 of 2 guys. Magic or Lebron. No hate to guys like Iverson, Bird, or Jordan. They're fantastic players that would indeed lead a good team to a playoff run in almost any era. But i just feel guys like Lebron and Magic make their teamates better in ways most cant. I mean, a good case study is Lebron during the 2015 NBA finals. He made stars out of Dellavadova and Mozgov, because he passed to them when he needed to, rebounded, stole the ball, and supported them even during bad moments. I feel Jordan or Kobe would've just shut them all out and would've tried it on his own. But thats my opinion. I mean, sure they arent 100% reliable from 3. But other than that, they are the greatest at pretty much everything else.
you make a good point but the examples weren't the best. Magic wasn't that all-around other than rebounding and passing and you could've used other players as exemples of "not all-around", jordan and bird definitely made their teammates better.
the reason that Jordan and Kobe have more of a killer instinct is because LeBron needs a lot of motivation to get to that Killer Mode, if he had it all throughout then i think he might have a 4th ring by now, but he was so passive in the Mavs series
EJ Freeman you can't teach a killer instinct it's something you develope in the early stage of basketball when you are a kid. Lebron never took the last shot or was as willing to take the last shot, he always and still will look to give it to the open man. That's not a knock on lebron that's just how he is and what his game revolves around
Don't hate Appreciate kobe openly wanted to be traded smh and Jordan played for the wizards quit hating. Kd, tmac, Vince carter, Iverson, grant hill, shaq, Barkley, Wade, Bosh, Harden, Horry, Harper, Rodman all played for more than 1 organization
I loved some of your quotes thank you for the subject The problem is all around complete versatile We have to be more specific and precise with those words LBJ is arguably the most versatile player of all time We can put Garnett on this conversation too Magic Johnson is for me the most All around player of all time But I don't use the word complete in the same fashion And that's the big difference Magic got all the moves the gifts the skills the mental the leadership the killer instinct. Magic was a little bit of EVERYTHING in the basket ball world. His mastery was to reach excellence at the highest order by doing that. Magic could have chosen to become a scorer and average 25 30 ppg a year He could have chosen to become a rebound specialist and average 10 12 a game So on so on He could have chosen to be the closer on any team every time That is MAGIC JOHNSON That is ALL AROUND for me
Cool vid. I feel that a franchise can make a player as a player can make a franchise but the superstar quality you spoke is the key to distinguish a better player from a more complete one. If I had to choose between Griffin and Green? I would take Griffin if I had a team with like the Nets roster but I would go with Draymond if I had the Spurs roster to work on. Like you said, it all depends on which type of base players you already have. Putting it another way I rather build a team starting with (not around) Green than Griffin. I find tougher to find a all-star level all rounder than a star player. What I'm trying to say is that a star player (the better player) isn't going to get you any championships without a roster to back him up. Griffin did a decent job leading the Clippers but he would struggle with Jordan, JJ Redick or Crawford. Now... between Kobe, MJ and James? I would say James just because I think if he had guys like Pippen or Rodman (on the Jordan side) or Rice, Rick Fox, Gasol and O'Neal (on Kobe side) he would have a few more rings.
Jack Collins Actually, now I think about it, and this is wrong. Chandler Parsons is a more complete player than Kemba Walker, but he is DEFINITELY NOT better.
SalaCommander26 But what you have to realize LeBron James ain't Chandler Parsons.What team success did Jordan or Kobe have without another super star compared to Lebron.Even tho LeBron didn't win one on his on.We seen what happened when kobe and Jordan had nobody.We seen what LeBron did when he had nobody.
You made some great points in this video. And I have to say, I always thought the complete player was better. I rarely put into consideration of who can lead a team to success. Great video, keep this up!
No because being able to do more =/= being able to do stuff better. LeBron may be able to guard more positions than Kobe and MJ, but he's not nearly as good at defending any of them as Kobe and MJ were at guarding SGs. LeBron's a "jack of all trades, master of none" defensively while Kobe and MJ are 2 of the 5 best defensive guards ever. It's no mystery how they have 9 All-Defensive First Team selections (most ever) each while LeBron has 5 (and won't be getting anymore given that he didn't even get second team the last 2 years). I'd rather have the guy who can lock down any SG than a guy who can kinda sorta slow down 4 different positions. And it's the same offensively. I'd rather have an elite scorer like '87 MJ or '06 Kobe than a dude who's a good scorer and decent playmaker. Lastly, I'm not even sure LeBron is more complete than Jordan and Kobe. Only two players in history have ever averaged 30-7-6 with 2.2 steals over a season : MJ twice, and Kobe once.
WhateverReally You can't judge LeBron on his ability to guard SGs. He is just as good (or better) at guarding his position as MJ and Kobe, and far better than them at guarding different positions. Also, LeBron might not do anything special during the regular season, but when his team needs him in the playoffs, he delivers. His finals performance last year proves that he can be an elite scorer, as well as do everything else spectacularly. I wouldn't take Kobe over LeBron because of LeBron's ability to be whatever the team needs him to be.
Terence Devlin No, he's definitely definitely not better at guarding SFs than Kobe and MJ were at defending SGs. In 7 Finals, LeBron has never held his defensive assignment to lower than 45% shooting from the field. Kobe and MJ did so in *EVERY* Finals of their career. All 13 in total.
+WhateverReally LeBron is the only player to average 27 7 7 for 13 years lmao. Those 30-7-6 seasons once and twice is nothing compared to 13 years. He is without a doubt the most complete player. He is top 10 in points and top 20 in assists and is the only player to do that. Cmon now. And it's pretty fair to say Bron was robbed for DPOY in 2014 and a few 1st Team Selections. His defense has always been under appreciated since he does everything its easy to take for granted his all around game.
2 imaginary players - Player As attributes: 80 shooting, 75 scoring, 70 passing, 80 rebounding, 85 defending. Player Bs attributes: 90 shooting, 95 scoring, 30 passing, 50 rebounding, 80 defending. I'm taking player B because they have more star quality even if they are less well rounded.
Here's the problem with your example: You can say there are a lot of examples of Player A. Well rounded, with a few things he does well. Player B is basically a Hall of Famer. How many elite shooters/scorers have also been nearly elite defenders? Kobe, Jordan, Olajuwon and Robinson as big men. That's about it. Even LeBron is not an elite shooter. By your own definition, he's a scorer, not a shooter. No one would ever take Player A in that scenario.
The Little Guy you don't have to be a great shooter to have 25+pts a game. Scoring is making points, and shooting contributes to that therefore it's a form of scoring.
Question gameplan to stop griffin keep him out the middle double team on drive . Gameplan to stop green boxout, out hustle,don't let run transition , switch man, etc.
you should make a video about why is basketball a difficult sport to rank players.like often you ll see jordan 1st as a common opinion but then the next top 10-15 is just a war like some say duncan,no shaq is better,AI is there,no he didnt win etc. .. compared to soccer for example where there is the messi/ronaldo debate but then there arent as much discussions.even the nfl ,the top 10 is often the same for a lot of people so why is bball making it so hard for us to pick one
this means that tim duncan is a system player which makes barkley better than him. Duncan was with pop all his career and even in his retirement, pop's system continues to flurish. Even when tim was getting older pop;s system bought them championships. Nobody ever brings that point up.
Doesn't matter, if you lead your team to the W then you are the better player. Its the reason why the standings is part of the MVP criteria. You can have great stats but if you lose, you lose. And the whole Rings don't make the player argument, if thats the case then why did LeBron leave Cleveland to go team up with Wade and Bosh? I mean rings don't make the player right?
Great video and topic discussion, Dom! I'm right there with you, as much as I love Draymond, I think someone like Blake has a higher probability to stand out on most teams.
People look too much kobes career stats but don't talk about how 3-4 years he only played a few games each season because he was injured which bring down his stats a ton. Or the fact he averaged 32/6/6 in the finals with a broken finger. If you check prime stats 35/6/5 vs 31/7/7 I'd take prime Kobe over bron any day to lead a team.
The Finals showed LeBron's killer instinct. He had back to back 40 point games. A triple double in game 7. And he had a career saving block. How could you say he doesn't have killer instinct?
The difference is that Kobe and Jordan were BORN with this killer instinct. Hebron wasn't. But Lenron developed it and he has nearly come close to Jordan and Kobe in killer instinct this past NBA Finals. That Finals was the culmination of his development into the assassin he has become.
2:45 Major stats aren't just limited to those three categories. LeBron has never accumulated 200+ steals or 100+ blocks in a season. MJ did both in two consecutive years. Separately, he reached 200+ steals six times and 100+ blocks twice. That's why he became a DPOY. In the 1988-89 season; he averaged 32.5 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 8.0 apg (15 triple-doubles). Coming much closer to Oscar Robertson's famous 1961-62 numbers than LeBron ever did. The point is, we're comparing the career stats of a player who already played his twilight years to one who's currently still in his prime. LeBron's averages will inevitably go down as he gets older.
Im so glad you said that cuz that actually makes a shitload of sense. Kobe pulled of some insane shit, while on the other hand LeBrons a more straight foward, euro-step, dunk the ball and occasional fade away.
GoD'Angelo Russell kobe has missed the most shots ever. that means his basketball iq is low. he pulls insane shit maybe 1/10 times. that's bad basketball
Peyton Manning has better numbers than Tom Brady and Joe Montana...Babe Ruth and Barry Bonds...Stats never tell the whole story but...I strongly believe if you put Kobe Bryant on Lebron James in a NBA finals game...I believe that Kobe would rise to the moment great defense of player with much more offensive skills and hes a killa on both ends and has that drive.
bruh, most knowledgeable fans and ball experts don't even have Kobe in their top 5...top 10 goat sure but his individual impact does not compare to that of Jordan's or Lebron's .
+Dom2k It's a shame but it's true. Most people don't have Kobe in the top 5 or even top 10. I think that's ridiculous because Rings matter and his stats will stand the test of time. Not to mention his instinct for the game and all his intangibles.
rashawn thompson the same ones that don't have magic in there and Kobe better than magic these ESPN guys don't know more than everyone else cause most former players like shaq mj Barkley Larry bird etc are calling Kobe the better player so don't jack them pundits bro that's ridiculous for these guys to say Kobe the best or closet to get to mj and have him not in there too 5 but mj is considered the goat makes no sense if mj the best and Kobe the closest to him how is he not top 5 you should go by what your eyes tell you and not pundits and stats you prolly don't watch games you just turn on sc
Nice vid. I really like the question and comparisons. I’m not sure if “better player” is even a question that can be answered since basketball is a team sport. Teams like the spurs have a system and only take players that can fit the system. Some might say that the ability to fit a system is what makes the player good. Also, when Steve Nash was at his prime, his individual stats were not impressive and he didn’t want any championships but his team was elevated to a whole new level of game play and was recognized as MVP. It certainly is an interesting topic though. Thanks for a thought provoking post!
if lebron wins this year he's the greatest of all time over MJ no matter what here's why 1:the 73-9 team added a megastar just to beat lebron and still lose? that would make lebron look like a god 2:He brought that TERRIBLE 07 cavs team to the finals and lets be real here MJ couldn't do that 3:he wouldve had 4 rings (5 rings if he wins the 2017 ship) if kyrie and love didn't get injured in the 2015 finals the cavs were up 2-1 and dont say "Love isn't that good" he is actually a great rebounder,defender, and idc wat yall say he can still score the ball 4:and as for him choking the mavs series (which i admit he did) he definitely made up for it in these last 2 finals
Melanie Rosen 1. You're assuming it's gonna be Cavs vs Warriors part 3 and that isn't a guarantee 2. The East was historically bad that year everybody knew that the Western Conference champion was gonna win the Finals by a landslide 3. This is literally the stupidest thing you could have said because that just an unfortunate circumstance that happens all the time in sports. That's like me saying Kobe would have had 6 rings if the Lakers won game six in 08 or that Duncan would have 6 rings if the Spurs were able to play defense in game 6. Bron is an all time great but your points were so bad.
Remember when Jordan fans used the rings argument to validate his greatness and LeBron fans said that shouldn't be used because it's a team effort to win a championship? But now since LeBron won a few they're using that same argument to validate his greatness, it's funny. I understand LeBron is an all time great, top 3 without a shadow of a doubt but in that 2016 win let's be real, he had Kyrie who averaged 27 ppg to LeBron's 29 ppg something Jordan never had from any teammate. The highest ppg average from a teammate Jordan ever had was 21ppg from Pippen. Pippen even averaged 15 ppg twice and Jordan still led them to win the championship. Warriors didn't add KD to beat LeBron they did it obviously to win another championship. You mention 2007 but the top team in the east was a 53 win Pistons team who was 4th overall in the entire league which means the top 3 teams in the NBA were all in the west. Jordan was drafted into a conference where an all time great Celtics team and the Bad Boy Pistons already had a hold on the east. Which eastern team in 2007 could compare to those teams? When the east got a little competitive LeBron couldn't get back to a Finals until he hooked up with Wade and Bosh. That whole would have could have argument is moot because whatever happened happened and you can't change it. That's like saying Jordan would have won 8 rings had he not retired early. And lastly, LeBron choked on the biggest stage and that's something Jordan never did. Not to mention Jordan accomplished more with great stats in less time, while LeBron is playing is 14th consecutive season and is still chasing Jordan.
suntansuperman26 It's so funny how quickly they forget who i was , i could easily have had 8 rings, if i didnt retire after the death of my father. All these scoring titles,MVPS, 1X DPOTY, FMVPS, 6/6 in the finals, IN THE TOUGHEST ERA OF BALL, Highest scoring average in both regular season and Playoffs, and in the finals. While lebron Has had some pretty easy competition in the East. There's no debate even if he wins this year. I'm the GOAT
This shouldn't even be argument. Unfortunately, Kobetards still want to make a argument for Kobe that he's better. At best,Kobe is a top 20 player of all time while Lebron James is undoubtedly a top 5 player of all time.
Lebron 4 MVP's 3 FMVP's Kobe 1 MVP 2 FMVP's Championships Lebron 3 Kobe 5 Regular season Lebron 27.3 ppg 7.1 rpg 6.9 ast 49% FG Kobe 25.0 ppg 5.2 rpg 4.7 ast 44% FG Play Offs Lebron 28.0 ppg 8.5 rpg 6.5 apg 47% FG Kobe 25.6 ppg 5.1 rpg 4.7 apg 44% FG Finals Lebron 26.7 ppg 9.6 rpg 7.1 apg 45% FG Kobe 25.1 ppg 5.6 rpg 5.1 apg 41% FG Game 7's (highest pressure games) Lebron 32.3 ppg 9.3 rpg 4.8 apg 45.1 FG Kobe 22.2 ppg 8.0 rpg 5.0 apg 38.9 FG Elimination games (never give up mentality) Lebron 31.1 ppg 11.0 rpg 7.9 apg 46.3 FG Kobe 22.3 ppg 5.6 rpg 3.7 apg 41.7 FG PER Lebron ranked # 2 All Time Kobe ranked # 22 All Time WS Lebron ranked # 11 All Time Kobe ranked # 15 All time WS per 48 Min Lebron ranked # 6 All time Kobe ranked # 54 All time BPM Lebron ranked # 1 All Time Kobe ranked # 33 All Time To save time, Lebron has Kobe beat in - PPG, RPG, APG,SPG, BPG, TS%, eFG%, ORB%,DRB%, ORtg, DRtg, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, VORP. CLUTCH PLAYOFFS LeBron: 8-19 on go-ahead or tying shots in final 24 seconds Kobe: 7-28 on go-ahead or tying shots in final 24 seconds Current Playoff Records Held (only player in history too..) Lebron 18 Kobe 2 Current Finals Records Held (only player in history too..) Lebron 18 Kobe 1 Triple Doubles Reg Season Lebron 37 Kobe 19 Triple Doubles Playoffs Lebron 14 Kobe 0 Finals Triple Doubles Lebron 6 Kobe 0 Lebron outperforms Kobe in the Regular season, playoffs and Finals. Lebron outperforms Kobe in game 7's, close out games and elimination games. Lebron outperforms Kobe in head to head match ups. Lebron is 16-6 against Kobe while statistically outperforming him. Lebron is a better teammate, a better leader, has more NBA records, NBA achievements/awards, Lebron is breaking all of Kobes "youngest player to score X amount of points. Kobe is known to be a piece of shit, drives great players out of LA. Lebron attracts free agents to gloomy Cleveland.
Connor Williams The dude averages 34% from 3 for his career. That's not bad you are under estimating his shooting and clearly are very new to basketball.
Connor Williams what are you basing this off of?? Dudes shooting 49% for his career and 34% from three and he shot close to 57% from the field and 40% from three in his peak Miami days. He's already proven that he can shoot
Joe 5985 yet he's never shot over 400 threes, so obliviously sense (most) of his threes are wide open and not contested while not really shooting a lot of threes is gonna have to end up being decent. Last year we saw how "good" of a shooter LeBron is even dipping below 24% at one point because, now he was being guarded.
+MYJEEP GOSKEEERT why would he need to shoot that many 3's? The most 3's made in a season by Larry bird was like 86 does that mean he's a bad shooter too?
+beast from the east shooting is just about jumpshots, scoring is just how good they are at getting points so it goes Scoring: Blake Passing: Blake Rebounding: Draymond Shooting: Draymond Finishing: Blake Defending: Draymond
Rn mj > lbj > kobe This will probably change in 5-8 years from now. And no, i'm not a lebron dickrider or mj dickrider i'm just an nba fan with common sense
That one guy LeBrons individual skill set doesn't even match up to MJs such as his footwork, post up game, shooting, etc. Unless that changes and he passes a lot of MJs career totals in regular season and playoffs he can't pass Jordan.
Noah Melendez you know what before this year I would have agreed with you but when you look at what Harrison Barnes is doing in Dallas plus when Steph has actually been out Draymond has put up big time numbers like he did against the Rockets in the playoffs last year plus his numbers in the NBA finals he is clearly a franchise player
Mr StealYoGril He didn't have KD last year when Steph was out he is easily a better player on both sides of the ball than say Harrison Barnes and he is putting up 20 ppg in Dallas plus DG can rebound he can pass and is an elite defender and most importantly he is a leader in the locker room he could easily lead a team
The killer instinct argument is dumb... From Kobe to Westbrook, the "killer instinct" just meant that they jacked up a ton of shot inefficiently. That's why the Lakers and Thunders were a mediocre when Kobe and WB were the lone show. Lebron doesn't have the killer instinct and that's good, he has more of a Magic Johnson type mentality and he gets teammates involved, which is why whatever team and supporting cast Lebron is on or has, they are a winning team. MJ had the killer instinct, but thing was he was efficient while shooting a lot. That's why Kobe shouldn't be in the same sentence as MJ and Lebron.
Justin Hu you sir have cracked the code, people will never realize the difference between players like KD and Russ.. people will do the most to defend Kobe even if it means sounding stupid lol it's kinda funny
Kobe's efficiency is comparable to the other two for anyone with a brain. FG% means nothing because it doesn't take into account ability to get to the free throw line and the fact that 3s are worth more than 2s. The Lakers were still decent when Kobe was *completely* alone in 2006. Meanwhile LeBron's early Cavs days, the Cavs were only relevant because they played in the shitty Eastern Conference, and LeBron had more help.
Great video! But the reason why Kobe has the worst stat line out of those three is because of his inconsistent early and late years, in his prime he could take both! But ur point is awesome on Draymond and Blake.
Player A avg more ppg, rebounds, blocks, assist, steal n blocks than player B. N has more MVPs n finals MVPs. Also is # 1 all time in plus/minus n 7th all time in win shares. The other is no top 10 in either category. Without names NOBODY would pick player B. But the flopping, team switching, n the decision are the only reasons ppl favors kobe (player B) over lebron (player A)
I really don't see a argument where you can pint out Kobe is better than Bron without sounding ignorant, the one I always hear is the "Kobe stayed with his team" Bullcrap. I mean what does that have to do with on court production???? + plus not every player has the luxury to be drafted into a team that just signed SHAQ going into his prime.. the best player Lebron ever had in Cleveland was probably Mo Williams.. I guarantee Kobe would've left those Cleveland teams too.
Meechy Merc Em kobe played in a far better division then lebron of course his stats are great conpare lebron and kobes western and eastern conference stats side by side and you will see
Kobe had about the same stats in one of the playoffs with Shaq. Kobe was still young during his first 3 rings. During kobe's prime years, he had no one on his team. No one could guard kobe in his prime and plus with a bunch of bench players in his starting line up, he wouldn't want to pass it, but he still averaged like 5 assists. Well Kobe could get 4 straight 50 point games. 62 points in 3 quarters outscoring the entire opposing team combined. 81 points in a game. Bron could never do that... Kobe >Bron > Mj
I agree Meechy. Any star perimeter player would have been able to win with Shaq in his prime. I think that what this video doesn't take into account, is the same thing all Kobe fans don't take into account: efficiency. Draymond Green has never been in the situation where he had a team that forced him to shoot 20+ shots per game for the season. Jordan, Lebron, Kobe, Iverson, and Shaq all were in those situations. On that list, the only person Kobe was more efficient then was Iverson. Even in those "prime years" where his team was missing the playoffs or being bounced in the first round, he was playing a bunch of hero/selfish ball and it cost them. I would even say his hero ball cost them the championship against the pistons, look at that stat line!! I don't care if you average 35 ppg in a season if you're tossing up 27 shots per game shooting 45% from the field. Young Jordan had a season where he shot 27 times a game, but he averaged 37ppg on 47% shooting. Like it or not, that's just better efficiency. And of course when you're shooting that much, you're bound to have a couple of games where your shot is just wet..
If stats are everything why isn't Kareem the goat and Mj is. See I don't think being the complete player is always the better player and for Kobe stats look at his min for his first 3 seasons
i was actually thinking one day why arent wilt chamberlain or kareem considered the GOATS, but its because mj got lucky and he became big when the internet and shoes were becoming popular. which that just popularized him more, the argument between kobe, lebron, and mj should be that not being the all complete player
Lamar Prince II Jordan was big WAY before the Internet, and even then you couldn't look up anything about Jordan on the Internet back in the 90's. Jordan got big the same way magic and wilt got big, with stellar play.
BossL Gaming GREAT POINTS. Why don't LeBron stat fanatics call Kareem the GOAT? And OF COURSE Kobe would have lower stats in his first few seasons, as the Lakers were still a decent team that could afford to bench their rookie, while the Cavs were absolute fucking trash that were looking for a franchise player to build around.
that is a tough one,also the centres have a special situation there because lets say we do an all time fantasy draft youre gonna need a solid center even though theyre not as complete so it would actually make sense to pick a wilt/kareem/shaq over a jordan/kobe/lebron
Lebrons has advantages based on his size and strength so of course he's gonna average more rebs. I think if you give mj lebrons body pause the only thing lebron would be better at is assist. Same wit Kobe. LBJ has more points cus Kobe being wit Shaq slowed down his development and lowered his scoring in part of his prime and the Achilles messed him up too. I'm 13 so try not to come at me bruhs Im just saying nothing on LBJ who is top 5 all time
No I'm just saying LBJ is better than them at those things and its hard to compare some things. I'm not insulting LBJ I think he's number 2 on the players I mentioned
Would rather have someone really really good at one thing rather than someone who is good at everything, this applies to almost everything including Basketball lol
Real quick tho. People really do sleep on Lebron when talking about the GOAT. People are so quick to shut down the argument. And even the biggest reason why people are anti lebron for goat is rings and he has 3. That is still impressive as hell. And how is it a knock against him that he is 3-7 all time in the finals. That is still impressive as hell. Derek Fisher has more rings than lebron but nobody cares about him. One final point is that lebron has been controlling the east for the the last six years. He has made it to the finals six years in a row. That is crazy. I am Michael Jordan fan don't get me wrong, and I can make a whole page article on why Jordan>Lebron, but I think lebron deserves a lot more credit and he is a close second to Jordan.
Jacob Eiseman Nobody cares about Derek Fisher!? He's one of my top ten favorite Lakers and I'm a Lakers fan. DF>LBJ. Just kidding, but he is one of my favorite Lakers.
SalaCommander26 lol. Maybe I upgraded it wrong in the comment. I have a lot of respect for Df and he was a very important part of Kobe's championship without shaq
Dude LeBron's six Finals runs in a row is great and all but look at the competition in the East. It's shit. If he were in the West, he wouldn't have made it to the Finals in 2011, 2014 or 2015 by definition (since he lost to Western Conference teams those years), very seriously might not have made it in 2013 and 2016 (both those series were close as hell despite the Western Conference team having had to go through tougher competition to get there and therefore had less left in the tank) and the only year he definitely would have gone to the Finals is 2012, where they would have pasted whoever made it out of the East. So LeBron in the West would have 3 Finals at the most, 2 Finals most likely and 1 Finals at the least.
Mj has 10 scoring titles and a Dpoy with multiple steals titles. lebron needs to catch up on those first. Jordan averages 30 in the regular season and 33 in the playoffs. This isn't a discussion Mj is a more dominant player
There were at least a couple Kobe Bryant teams that didn't make it to the finals because the west was a beast. Whereas if he were in the east for those seasons, he'd have a better record and certainly make it to the finals because a #4 team in the west in a lot of the seasons this last decade could make it to NBA finals in the east. I wonder what would happen if we show Lebron's numbers vs. Western conference teams, would it be as good? he has to play a lot of garbage teams being in the east, especially in the Playoffs.
I don't understand why people use this argument Kobe and MJ job was to score LeBron job is to run the floor they have different jobs therefore different stats.
This is really just an impossible dilemma because how you play and how well you play depends on the people around you so with each superstar that we get that could be considered the greatest it is impossible to tell as their play style is always altered or determined by the type of team they have
Career 4th QTR shooting in the Finals: LeBron: 95/214 (44.3%) Kobe: 68/176 (38.6%) LeBron vs Kobe head to head: Wins: 16 - 6 PPG 28.2 - 24.6 RPG 7.4 - 5.0 APG 7.3 - 5.2 FG% 47 - 43 Career Averages: LeBron: 27.3ppg Kobe: 25.4ppg LeBron: 7.1 rpg Kobe: 5.2rpg LeBron: 6.9 apg Kobe: 4.8 apg LeBron: 1.7 spg Kobe: 1.5 spg LeBron: .8 bpg Kobe: .5 bpg LeBron: Career PER: 27.7 Kobe: Career PER: 23.2 LeBron: 10 seasons with 25+ PER Kobe: 3 seasons with 25+ PER LeBron: 4 seasons with 30+ PER Kobe: 0 seasons with 30+ PER LeBron: 3rd all-time in PER Kobe: 22nd all-time in PER LeBron: .497 career FG% Kobe: .451 career FG% LeBron: 11 seasons with 47+ FG% Kobe: 0 seasons with 47+ FG% LeBron: 5 seasons with 50+ FG% Kobe: 0 seasons with 50+ Fg% LeBron: 2 seasons with 56+ FG% Kobe: 0 seasons with 56+ FG% LeBron: .342 FG% Kobe: .334 FG% LeBron: 5 seasons with 35+ 3FG% Kobe: 4 seasons with 35+ 3FG% Playoff Stats: LeBron: 28.2 ppg Kobe: 25.6 ppg LeBron: 8.8 rpg Kobe: 5.1 rpg LeBron: 6.7 apg Kobe: 4.7 apg LeBron: 27.4 PER Kobe: 22.4 PER Best playoff averages (per 36 min) 2008-09 LeBron 2008-09 Kobe LeBron: 31 ppg Kobe: 27 ppg LeBron: 19.4 FGA Kobe: 20.3 FGA LeBron: 51 FG% Kobe: 45 FG% LeBron: 5 3PA Kobe: 4.1 3PA LeBron: 33 3P% Kobe: 34 3P% LeBron: 14.3 2PA Kobe: 16.2 2PA LeBron: 57 2P% Kobe: 48 2P% LeBron: 8 rpg Kobe: 4.7 rpg LeBron: 6.3 apg Kobe: 4.8 apg LeBron: 1.4 spg Kobe: 1.5 spg LeBron: 0.7 bpg Kobe: 0.8 bpg LeBron: 2.4 turnovers Kobe: 2.3 turnovers LeBron: 37.4 PER (Highest PER of all time) Kobe: 26.8 PER Best regular season averages (per 36 min) 2012-13 LeBron 2005-06 Kobe LeBron: 25.5 ppg Kobe: 31.1 ppg LeBron: 16.9 FGA Kobe: 23.9 FGA LeBron: 56 FG% Kobe: 45 FG% LeBron: 3.2 3PA Kobe: 5.7 3PA LeBron: 40 3P% Kobe: 35 3P% LeBron: 13.8 2PA Kobe: 18.2 2PA LeBron: 60 2P% Kobe: 48 2P% LeBron: 7.6 rpg Kobe: 4.7 rpg LeBron: 7 apg Kobe: 4 apg LeBron: 1.6 spg Kobe: 1.6 spg LeBron: 0.8 bpg Kobe: 0.6 bpg LeBron: 2.8 turnovers Kobe: 2.7 turnovers LeBron: 3 seasons with 30+ PER (including NBA record 37.4 PER in 2009) Kobe: 0 seasons with 30+ PER LeBron: 8-19 on go-ahead or tying shots in final 24 seconds Kobe: 7-28 on go-ahead or tying shots in final 24 seconds Kobe: 5 Titles LeBron: 3 Titles Kobe: 2 FMPVs (Gasol was a better FMVP candidate in 2010- Led Lakers in Win Shares and Offensive Rating- 122 vs 108, Bryant with 6-24 performance in Game 7) LeBron: 3 FMVPs (Almost had 4, received 4 out of the 10 FMVP votes in the 2015 NBA Finals.) LeBron vs Kobe - Career High average in each category PPG: Kobe RPG: LeBron APG: LeBron SPG: --- BPG: LeBron FG%: LeBron 3pt%: LeBron FT%: Kobe TS%: LeBron PER: LeBron OWS: LeBron DWS: LeBron TWS: LeBron WS/48: LeBron OBPM: LeBron DBPM: LeBron TBPM: LeBron VORP: LeBron ORB%: LeBron DRB%: LeBron TRB%: LeBron AST%: LeBron STL%: --- BLK%: LeBron Let’s also not forget that Kobe is: All-time leader in total missed shots in the regular season. All-time leader in missed shots in the playoffs. All-time leader in missed shots when you combine the regular season and playoffs. Most missed game winners and buzzer beaters. Only Finals MVP not to shoot above 50% in a single finals game (did this both in 2009 and 2010). Worst shooting performance by any NBA finals MVP in history (40%). Out of the top 20 players in points per game all time, the only player from the modern era with a lower career FG% than Kobe is Iverson. There are only 13 games in NBA history where someone has scored 50 points or more on sub 50% shooting, Kobe is responsible for 7 of those 13 games. Only 5 players in NBA history have missed over 2,000 more shots than they’ve made; Allen Iverson, Bob Petitt, John Havlicek, Elvin Hayes and Kobe Bryant. Kobe holds the record for most consecutive NBA Finals games shooting under 50% (15). Led the NBA in missed shots six times.??
End result, not always. But between Draymond and Blake It's a toss up and really depends the team you want to put them on. For example, I believe Draymond will be a better fit for teams that are already good since he is versatile and can fill many roles. For other teams that are relatively bad I'll take Blake because he can be the superstar of that team. It really depends on the players you put them around. Because I can guarantee the if their was a trade between Blake and Draymond, neither team will be happy or be better because of that.
Forever Hip Hop injuries and shitty team mates kept kobe down. Even shaq let kobe down, the offence was run through shaq not kobe for a couple of years. Then kobe really became something special untill injuries around 2010. Kobe is better in my opinion
Bilal Shakir no. I think he could maybe squeeze in one more, but with the juggernaut warriors, the spurs being good for the millionth time, and future star teams like the Lakers and the Wolves (I'm not saying the lakers and the Wolves are good now, but they will be in 2-3 years), he won't get 2 more
Lebron had to followed Wade to Miami rode his coat tail to 2 NBA Titles Wade is the reason why Lebron has a ring to start with has it not been for Wade Lebron would have 0 rings the Bulls beating the Cavs Friday Night prove that Wade was the leader of that 2010-2014 Miami Heat team Kobe never had to ride no coat tail
Franklin Clinton then why did lebron win finals mvp? lebron won finals mvp both times so clearly he wasnt riding shit. kobe was legit riding shaq tho he never won a finals mvp with shaq. without shaq and pau kobe would have no rings. without pippen MJ would have no rings. without kareem magic would have no rings. u dumb af
no no lebron has a killer mentality, you dont average over 30 twice, drop 25 straight to beat the defending champs, and drop 40 back to back without one. Also has the most game winners in the playoffs tied with micheal
TrapxGod Leafy Well then a Jordan and LBJ, then you could do literally EVERYTHING at a high performance, while with the dirk/Shaq neither where very good defender's, Shaq mainly being a shot-blocker and it just kinda stops their. Sure that fusion would be a great scorer, but I don't it would average more than 11 rebounds, which sounds good but, you'll probably get that from the MJ and LBJ fusion as well. This is all assuming you'd just take the greatest parts of each player and combine them.
Talent wise lebron James is better than Jordan, if you wanna talk about that bullshit about mentality go head. Larry bird had way more of a killer instinct than magic but everyone knows magic is better. It's not even an argument he's better than both of them on court, you wanna talk about mental aspects as if you're a psychologist go for it
Dom2k yes it is to a certain degree. The fact that Dom said people thought lebron "may have quit" against the celtics proves you can't tell what is going through a mans head to begin with so how are you going to measure that
LJ2k 03 Draymond doesn't really get better stats as much as he gets a better variety of them, cause 21 & 10 is equally if not more valuable than 10pts 8reb and 7ast because of how important en elite scorer is.
Lebron will have the career because he is a stat guy he fills the sheets but I don't think he's a better player than MJ or Kobe. Skill for skill proud for pound MJ and Kobe are better players because when there athleticism left them they still dominated the league we will have to wait on Lebron. It's not fair to compare players who don't play the same position Kobe and MJ shooting guards Lebron Small Forward.
Dr.CookiesNeedLoveLikeEverthingDoes I didn't say that it was the other guy I said it doesn't really make a difference if I they play different positions
TheAsianSwinger so it's fair to compare AI to Lebron when you talking about rebounds. So it fair to compare Shaq shooting % to Lebron. Position matter bro forwards play closer to the rim which it makes it easier to get rebounds.
Daniel Isome did I say that? It's different because those are the 3 names that keep popping up. Relatively speaking it's not fair but in this case he stated that they can play all 5 positions. In that case that's why I said "it doesn't matter what positions they play" I never said that ai nor Shaq was in the conversation so you are making an irrelevant comment.
And if we were talking about greatest of all times then arnt we saying they are all around. What point do u have if you are the greatest of all time but can't guard another position. You can be the greatest at your position but if you are the greatest shouldn't u be able to guard and shoot over anyone?
If we talk about Basketball skills , its LeBron>Jordan>Bryant . Dont even start with that mentality thing i talk about skill so LeBron is the better player . And even with mentality why is LeBron a quitter ? Jordan has lost in the first round aswell . And this just Shows how the east was better than the west when MJ played .
No no no no no wait, Lebron is the most amazing physically, Pure skill alone MJ and Kobe have much more cause they weren't damn trains. Now don't get me wrong my favorite player of all time and my personal GOAT is Wilt Chamberlain which is so focused on his strength and athleticism. So i understand the born with the better body argument is stupid because it takes just as much work to be a physical monster as to be someone like Curry that can dominate the league purely on skill since he has no help from his body. Basically all im saying is pure skill definitely goes to Kobe and MJ before Lebron but that doesn't mean he's worse i just want to say that pure skill is when someone can dominate with a not so great either height or weight or just someone that isn't athletic.
Angelo King i dont think so . No one would dominate like they did if they werent athletic . What if Jordan couldnt dunk ? Only shootes will play the same . I get your point but this is just crazy.
CrYpToN_Epiic lebron has talent. He doesn't have better skills then Kobe. Skill comes from hours and hours of work. Kobe worked harder then mj. Phil even quoted that. Kobe has better footwork, jump shots, post fadeaway, and 3s which comes from practice
Draymond Green game 7 performance 32 pts on 73.3% 9 ast 15 reb no one else made even 20 points I know it's just one game but Draymond seriously busted his ass during elimination to try and get a win despite everyone else's performance. I feel like he should be considered as someone that could lead a team Great vid btw(as usual ofc lol)
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Kobe and Jordan are more clutch than Lebron if the clock is tiking I would give it to Kobe or MJ fax
Abdullahi Ali I dont think many will argue with you on that point
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What's better? Oscar Robertson's Triple-Double Season or Wilt Chamberlain's 50pts season?
Note: These two insane season averages both took place in the 61/62 season but neither of them won the MVP, Bill Russell did averaging 19pts and less rebounds than Wilt. So something else needed to be taken into account is not only the completeness of a player or a great skill a player has, but the amount of impact a player will have on a team(talking about Bill Russell here). Wilt played every game during that 80 game season and his Philadelphia Warriors finished with a record of 49-31(61% win). Robertson played in 79 games and in those games his team had a record of 42-37 (53% win). The Celtics that year finished with a record of 60-20(75% win) and you may be thinking well duh, Russell always had better teammates but lemme share this. Russell was injured for 4 games between January 24th-28th and in those 4 games in which he didn't play the Celtics went 0-4, and when he came back from injury they immediately went on a 6-game win streak. This means that the Celtics with Russell won 79% of their games, and 0% without him.
Now to be fair, Wilt or Robertson probably deserved the MVP that season but team impact is just another aspect of greatness that should be looked at.
Fede B Hakeem's DPOY, MVP, FMVP. But to answer the question legit, Big O. Imagine the energy needed to go out and get a triple double every night.
Nestility So you prefer the all-around player? fair enough i think i agree
Fede B well wilt also averaged like 25 rebounds and then he lead the league in assists so....
Fede B yeah, they went 0-4 because they didn't have a good center in the paint duh.
So, is the more complete player actually the better player? It seems like a simple question, but think about how many players that are probably very good overall, yet you wouldn't rank them over another NBA great. What do you think about that?
*Something I wanted to add*
In the video, I talk about Draymond Green. I wish I'd have spent more time there. He has an amazing skill set, however what I was trying to say is that I believe it's amplified by the team he plays on, not that he'd be a scrub without Curry or Klay (and now KD), but I certainly don't see him as a stand alone star in the same way I see Blake or AD.
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lenron will only have 3 rings he not that versatile
Curry The Goat Of Mankind Last Nba Legend idk dude hakeem the dream the dream only got 1 ring but hes a top 10 player
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I'm end this civil war saying JaVale McGee is the best player of all times..
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Lmao this isnt even a fight he is obviously better than all of these doods
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Best player isn't Lebron, Kobe, or Michael. The true GOAT is Brian Scalabrine. Duh
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GSW fan since 7/7/16 #KD FTW mike and lebron couldn't hit the half court fade away between the legs Triple front flip 100 pump 720 one hand tomahawk dunk that made scal unguardable
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yes. look at me, I'm the best sf in the game.
Keep your 3 rings
No. You're the Best Player to ever play the game.
LeBeautiful Had to take his talent to south beach to win a ring
Metta World Paige because the Cavs organisation could not bring another all star to the team so he had to leave so they could stock pile draft picks. He did better than anyone else could ever have done with that team. He went 66-16 in 2009 with a trash squad. He was incredible.
And? He could have stayed like Kobe..You know,After Shaq leaved Kobe Stayed in LA And he won 2 rings.
Unlike Lebron
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I think CP3 is the most complete PG in the league still and he's actually getting better. He's shooting % is good he's shooting about 45% from 3 I think which is good while averaging 9 assists. I look at Stephen curry as more of a SG who just happens to play the point where as CP3 has all the qualities that a great PG should have. CP3 is a great perimeter defender now not everyone is going to be lockdown like Lebron but that having some good defense comes a long way
Isaac Hairston I'd say that in cp3's prime LeBron was barely a better defender because of his size and athleticism, but now CP3 has honestly dropped out defensively. I have to say though I completely agree with being the best all-around point guard today, including Westbrick.
Isaac Hairston steph is actually a good playmaker
Curry isn't that atheletic and his defense is terrible
Zalee Robinson Curry is fairly athletic, being one of the fastest point guards in the league, and his off-ball D is extremely underrated while on ball is just below average.
Isaac Hairston he also has the highest PER in NBA history
The best answer to this question is you have to analyze skills in terms of value. Is Draymond's passing as valuable as Blake's scoring ability? No, it's not. And his passing is mostly a product of the system he's in. Which means Draymond's passing ability is only valuable when he was talented players around him. You put Blake on ANY team in the NBA and his value as a scorer remains the same because his scoring isn't a product of the players he's around. In the case of LeBron, Mike, and Kobe, you have to ask yourself if LeBron's ability to excel at every aspect of the game less valuable than Mike and Kobe's ability to have that killer instinct. In my opinion, I'd rather have LeBron's ability because he requires less maintenance. I know that if push comes to shove and I lose a valuable player or two, I can rely on LeBron to up his production to carry the team. And the way I see basketball, that killer instinct is only useful in so many situations and can honestly be a huge detriment because it causes inefficiency and has a tendency to keep other players from being involved. And LeBron's value at scoring, rebounding, passing, and defending is so high, it's hard to just want a player that scores really well versus what LeBron can give you. Cause statistically, where you lose 3 points with LeBron, you gain another rebound and two more assists. It's all about assessing value. That's just my thoughts though. Really enjoyed the video! Keep up the great content!
John T. Washington Blake's scoring is slightly supplemented by CP3's passing, but I totally agree with you.
John T. Washington As a Kobe fan and somebody afraid of calling anyone but Mike the GOAT for fear of him tracking me down and killing me (He really was THAT determined and inspired on the basketball court. A pissed off Mike could probably beat Kobe and/or LeBron one on two, unless they were both pissed off as well) I can see all of your points realistically.
SalaCommander26 As far as Blake is concerned, I think he's actually a better scorer without CP3. He always puts up big numbers when it's no CP3 + he has the keys to the offense. I would argue that LeBron is a lot scarier when he's in killer instinct mode. MJ's gonna beat you in scoring when he's angry. LeBron is just gonna dominate the whole game. A mad LeBron is crazy scary on defense but I would agree that an angry MJ could beat anyone on planet Earth under the right circumstances.
+SalaCommander26 not at all blake actually can score more when cp3 is not playing.
I understand where you're coming from, but I honestly think Kobe and MJ give you more defensively than LeBron. LeBron's basically only ever played elite defensively as a "free safety". Roaming around and suddenly jumping a passing lane for a steal or helping out on a drive and getting a block. But he's never been able to lock down anyone, unlike the other two.
The thing about the killer instinct is that good or bad, they're not going down without a fight. 2010 vs Boston and even worse 2011 vs Dallas showed that you can't count on LeBron to always go 100%.
Imagine lebron had that Kobe killer instinct. That would be scary asf
Or west brooks angry motor. Oh my
Adi Kancharla I said like Kobe
Adi Kancharla L
he would be the GOAT
aja3longhorn no it means that u r the leader of your team you are the man in 4th quarter 2 seconds left down by 2 u step up and give ur team the win u dont miss and turnover the ball then get saved by ray allen and kyrie and then get all the credit OH AND DONT GET ME STARTED ON THE DALLAS SERIES
I've always considered the more "complete" player someone that makes the entire team better simply by being there. Dom2k is probably spot on with his take on Draymond Green. His teammates are some of the most prolific scorers the league has ever seen. Green doesn't have to be a good passer to get an assist, he simply has to pass the ball. A truly great passer not only finds the open man, but finds the open man when he's in the *best* position for scoring. That is what made a player like Steve Nash or Tony Parker so dangerous. Just them being there changes how the other team has to play basketball. That's not something Draymond Green or Blake Griffon can do. To me, a complete player isn't someone that can play all 5 positions, it's someone that makes the other 4 positions better.
The Draymond "system player" has been proven this season.
Dom, u the goat u got the best topics to discuss about concerning the NBA
Couldn't MJ run the 1,2 and 3 positions and Kobe could run the 2 and 3
Thanks!
With the right mindset Kobe could've ran the 1 because he actually was a great passer when he chose to do it.
Chris Paul is the second most complete player in my opinion behind Lebron but situations (Teammates and Injuries) keep him from having that same success.
For PGs
Blind Richi kawhi?
Mj Gould leonard doesn't have a great passing ability
But no doubt he can pass well for his size
Blind Richi i think Kobe's more complete than people think, he's a top 10 one on one defender of all time, great shooter, great finisher, athletic, a great passer than doesn't use that ability to the fullest, and has quite a few boards for a guard. Not saying he's one of the top 3 most complete ever just that aspects of his game are underrated because of his selfish attitude, like look at the highlights of him and shaq, kobe averaged 30 ppg and 7 assists per game in the '01 playoffs i believe, at least sometime around there
In Kobe's defensive he came into the NBA at 17 and played with the best player in the NBA for his first 7 years, that defiantly had something to do with his career average and also with Kobe and MJ obviously their stats went down at the end of their careers, now Lebron joined the league on a very very bad team making his stats great and still hasn't even Hit his decline at the end of his career yet, so keep this in consideration when just starting at stats and saying someone is better
Im Zini thank you someone actually understands. Also, Kobe didnt come into the league where he needed to start amd play 40-45 minutes a game. Not only that Kobe's whole career was in the west Lebrons was in the east where no one can argue since Celtics big 3 broke down there wasnt really a threat in the east unlike he west
Allen Shamm Agree
I understand the playing in a bad team inflated stat argument but Kobe's fg% is very low. And besides the fundamental points rebounds assist category, Kobe's far behind MJ, LeBron, Bird etc in terms of advanced stats. His PER is a lot lower. His box +/- is a lot lower. Is that cause he was in a bad team? Look at Anthony Davis. He's in a much worse team than Kobe ever was, yet he has maintained an amazing PER and Box +/-. It's because Kobe liked trying to do everything on his own for most of his career and often dug himself a major hole he couldn't get out of. The Lakers current performance, much improved, is evidence. Take LeBron out of a team, they go from 60 to under 20 wins.
Im Zini don't whine about comparing stats when we all know that lebron is at a disadvantage. lebron has coasted for the regular season for a few years now, they should compare playoff stats
The Bond King kobes prime stats match up with Jordan's prime stats first of all, he only shot bad from the field when he was out of his prime and he didn't dig himself into anything he carried a team to one being one of the most successful teams ever! And the whole point of my comment was to point out Lebron has been set up to put up good stats and is still in his prime so he hasn't had his decline and Kobe on the other hand player with much much talent and then has his decline, if u take that into consideration then everything is different
I think this really touches on how much we tend to value a player's offense and more specifically points per game when evaluating a player. I would definitely agree that Draymond wouldn't have the same offensive impact on a team like the 76ers whereas someone like Griffin might, but I still think Draymond would have the same defensive impact that he has now. It's interesting that even though everyone agrees Draymond is the better defender and Blake is the better scorer, that Griffin is the one who would be given the superstar/better player label (and almost unanimously at that).
I think Blake Griffin's one of the most underrated players in nba history, if he wasn't such a great dunker he'd be in the conversation for top 10 player every year of his career cause 1. He's probably the most athletic big man ever 2. He has a decent mid range game 3. He's a great finisher, especially for his size 4. He's a damn good rebounder at around 8-9 every season and 5. He's a great passer, along with having a great handle for his size. The only problem with griffin is he's not a lockdown defender and can't create his own jumpshot or hit fadeaways, if he could do those two things he'd be a top 5 powerforward ever in my opinion
And notice how i said lockdown defender, blake can still defend at a better than decent level, he's not an elite defender but he's so athletic and strong he's able to hold his own and he's smart. To go along with all I said he's actually developed a 3 point shot somehow and if he were on the warriors instead of draymond... i know for a fact they'd be miles ahead of anyone including the cavs, i mean can you imagine blake with curry in pick in rolls where blake could also kick out to durant, thompson, or even curry for three, the man would average around 20 points and 7 assists with this warriors team, if it were last year's team he'd average 23 and 9 boards with 6-7 assists
Just my opinion, most of this makes sense except most athletic big. Check Dwight from the magic tho, and of course AD. Obviously he's one of the best dunkers too, (notice how I didn't say best, imagine the hate)
MLBFan432 But none of those guys were as explosive as blake in my opionon, and i did say probably the most athletic big man, anthony davis and dwight do make for a real argument though but yeah personally i'd say blake's the most athletic but you couldn't go wrong with any of those three and you could even mention shawn kemp
FreezeMayhem and btw, I agree that blake griffin would still be great without his dunking but I don't think he would get as much attention which would probably mean people thinking he's way worse than he is.
There's just no way in which Blake is more athletic than Orlando Shaq or prime David Robinson.
Blake's very athletic but not the most ever, his mid-range game is still not that reliable compared to other PFs like Duncan, KG or Dirk, he's not that great of a finisher because he tends to go full speed to the rim and has very awkward footwork both finishing at the rim and in the post, he's not that good a rebounder, and he's a good passer for a big man but not at a level where it really registers as a positive (like Draymond).
There's just no way he'll surpass Duncan, KG, Dirk, Barkley, Malone or McHale in my mind. There's only so high you can rank as a PF when you don't have a post game.
Id personally rather have a dude like Lillard, Harden, people that are really good at one or two specific things instead of "Being able to do anything" But thats just me i mean theres no need to be able to do anything if you got teamates that compronises your weaknesses
Compromises* Im Swedish ok dont hate on my spelling plz
SirmalcolmHd you do realize James harden falls under the can do anything category, well except for defense, and lillard could easily fall under it too, except for his rebounding maybe
Val Castillo no Lillards defense isnt the best
I like that dom isn't a clickbait youtuber and has the real questions
I'd say so. Like if you told me "Ok, whos your first pick to start a new team?" I'd probably pick 1 of 2 guys. Magic or Lebron. No hate to guys like Iverson, Bird, or Jordan. They're fantastic players that would indeed lead a good team to a playoff run in almost any era. But i just feel guys like Lebron and Magic make their teamates better in ways most cant. I mean, a good case study is Lebron during the 2015 NBA finals. He made stars out of Dellavadova and Mozgov, because he passed to them when he needed to, rebounded, stole the ball, and supported them even during bad moments. I feel Jordan or Kobe would've just shut them all out and would've tried it on his own. But thats my opinion. I mean, sure they arent 100% reliable from 3. But other than that, they are the greatest at pretty much everything else.
Chase B you're sleepin on Larry Legend man, he's as much of an all-around player as Magic and Bron are, 24-10-6 for his career
The Little Guy magic wasn't an all-around player. Magic's d has always been completely ignored, well not when the whole aids thing came up but, still.
MYJEEP GOSKEEERT yup I agree Magic was suspect on the defensive end of the floor, I would prefer CP3.
you make a good point but the examples weren't the best. Magic wasn't that all-around other than rebounding and passing and you could've used other players as exemples of "not all-around", jordan and bird definitely made their teammates better.
The Little Guy
Larry played with 3 other hall of famers
IMO yes but it isn't everything .
Commandosoap777 The o in imo means opinion fam
MYJEEP GOSKEEERT lol my crappy phone messed it up
Commandosoap777 I'm not going to delete my comment tho because, it got 5 likes and that feels good for some reason.
now u got 6 joey
Yuh 😂
the reason that Jordan and Kobe have more of a killer instinct is because LeBron needs a lot of motivation to get to that Killer Mode, if he had it all throughout then i think he might have a 4th ring by now, but he was so passive in the Mavs series
EJ Freeman he would have 4 of Kyrie wasn't injured in 2015
EJ Freeman you can't teach a killer instinct it's something you develope in the early stage of basketball when you are a kid. Lebron never took the last shot or was as willing to take the last shot, he always and still will look to give it to the open man. That's not a knock on lebron that's just how he is and what his game revolves around
Sasuke Uchiha he would have 1 if he didnt switch teams twice or if it wasnt for miamis big 3 of bosh James and Wade or for Ray Allen's clutch threes
Don't hate Appreciate kobe openly wanted to be traded smh and Jordan played for the wizards quit hating. Kd, tmac, Vince carter, Iverson, grant hill, shaq, Barkley, Wade, Bosh, Harden, Horry, Harper, Rodman all played for more than 1 organization
Israel Brewton hi
I loved some of your quotes thank you for the subject
The problem is all around complete versatile
We have to be more specific and precise with those words
LBJ is arguably the most versatile player of all time
We can put Garnett on this conversation too
Magic Johnson is for me the most All around player of all time
But I don't use the word complete in the same fashion
And that's the big difference
Magic got all the moves the gifts the skills the mental the leadership the killer instinct.
Magic was a little bit of EVERYTHING in the basket ball world.
His mastery was to reach excellence at the highest order by doing that.
Magic could have chosen to become a scorer and average 25 30 ppg a year
He could have chosen to become a rebound specialist and average 10 12 a game
So on so on
He could have chosen to be the closer on any team every time
That is MAGIC JOHNSON
That is ALL AROUND for me
+gb1style Good points
LBJ is the most completed NBA player, but he is NOT the greatest of all time (although LBJ is my favourite).
Cool vid.
I feel that a franchise can make a player as a player can make a franchise but the superstar quality you spoke is the key to distinguish a better player from a more complete one.
If I had to choose between Griffin and Green? I would take Griffin if I had a team with like the Nets roster but I would go with Draymond if I had the Spurs roster to work on. Like you said, it all depends on which type of base players you already have.
Putting it another way I rather build a team starting with (not around) Green than Griffin. I find tougher to find a all-star level all rounder than a star player. What I'm trying to say is that a star player (the better player) isn't going to get you any championships without a roster to back him up. Griffin did a decent job leading the Clippers but he would struggle with Jordan, JJ Redick or Crawford.
Now... between Kobe, MJ and James? I would say James just because I think if he had guys like Pippen or Rodman (on the Jordan side) or Rice, Rick Fox, Gasol and O'Neal (on Kobe side) he would have a few more rings.
A more complete player is better but not always greater
Jack Collins That's a good takeaway.
Your sentence contradicts itself, your point is invalid.
Jack Collins Actually, now I think about it, and this is wrong. Chandler Parsons is a more complete player than Kemba Walker, but he is DEFINITELY NOT better.
SalaCommander26 But what you have to realize LeBron James ain't Chandler Parsons.What team success did Jordan or Kobe have without another super star compared to Lebron.Even tho LeBron didn't win one on his on.We seen what happened when kobe and Jordan had nobody.We seen what LeBron did when he had nobody.
More complete is greater not better.
Not always
The NBA Times yep
The NBA Times yes it depends
You made some great points in this video. And I have to say, I always thought the complete player was better. I rarely put into consideration of who can lead a team to success. Great video, keep this up!
No because being able to do more =/= being able to do stuff better. LeBron may be able to guard more positions than Kobe and MJ, but he's not nearly as good at defending any of them as Kobe and MJ were at guarding SGs. LeBron's a "jack of all trades, master of none" defensively while Kobe and MJ are 2 of the 5 best defensive guards ever. It's no mystery how they have 9 All-Defensive First Team selections (most ever) each while LeBron has 5 (and won't be getting anymore given that he didn't even get second team the last 2 years).
I'd rather have the guy who can lock down any SG than a guy who can kinda sorta slow down 4 different positions.
And it's the same offensively. I'd rather have an elite scorer like '87 MJ or '06 Kobe than a dude who's a good scorer and decent playmaker.
Lastly, I'm not even sure LeBron is more complete than Jordan and Kobe. Only two players in history have ever averaged 30-7-6 with 2.2 steals over a season : MJ twice, and Kobe once.
LeBron is playing elite defense in playoffs. He give up doing that in regular season since 2014.
P.S. LeBron is better overall than Kobe
Filip Nikolic Since when ? He played bad defence in 5/7 Finals he's played in.
WhateverReally You can't judge LeBron on his ability to guard SGs. He is just as good (or better) at guarding his position as MJ and Kobe, and far better than them at guarding different positions.
Also, LeBron might not do anything special during the regular season, but when his team needs him in the playoffs, he delivers. His finals performance last year proves that he can be an elite scorer, as well as do everything else spectacularly. I wouldn't take Kobe over LeBron because of LeBron's ability to be whatever the team needs him to be.
Terence Devlin No, he's definitely definitely not better at guarding SFs than Kobe and MJ were at defending SGs.
In 7 Finals, LeBron has never held his defensive assignment to lower than 45% shooting from the field.
Kobe and MJ did so in *EVERY* Finals of their career. All 13 in total.
+WhateverReally LeBron is the only player to average 27 7 7 for 13 years lmao. Those 30-7-6 seasons once and twice is nothing compared to 13 years. He is without a doubt the most complete player. He is top 10 in points and top 20 in assists and is the only player to do that. Cmon now. And it's pretty fair to say Bron was robbed for DPOY in 2014 and a few 1st Team Selections. His defense has always been under appreciated since he does everything its easy to take for granted his all around game.
2 imaginary players - Player As attributes: 80 shooting, 75 scoring, 70 passing, 80 rebounding, 85 defending.
Player Bs attributes: 90 shooting, 95 scoring, 30 passing, 50 rebounding, 80 defending. I'm taking player B because they have more star quality even if they are less well rounded.
who is player A and player B
ADAJ3 shooting falls into the category as scoring
Atomic Void not nessicarily, Kyle Korver is probably third best shooter in the league but he's not putting up 25+ points a game
Here's the problem with your example: You can say there are a lot of examples of Player A. Well rounded, with a few things he does well. Player B is basically a Hall of Famer. How many elite shooters/scorers have also been nearly elite defenders? Kobe, Jordan, Olajuwon and Robinson as big men. That's about it. Even LeBron is not an elite shooter. By your own definition, he's a scorer, not a shooter. No one would ever take Player A in that scenario.
The Little Guy you don't have to be a great shooter to have 25+pts a game. Scoring is making points, and shooting contributes to that therefore it's a form of scoring.
Question gameplan to stop griffin keep him out the middle double team on drive . Gameplan to stop green boxout, out hustle,don't let run transition , switch man, etc.
you should make a video about why is basketball a difficult sport to rank players.like often you ll see jordan 1st as a common opinion but then the next top 10-15 is just a war like some say duncan,no shaq is better,AI is there,no he didnt win etc. ..
compared to soccer for example where there is the messi/ronaldo debate but then there arent as much discussions.even the nfl ,the top 10 is often the same for a lot of people so why is bball making it so hard for us to pick one
Michael Jordon best player of all time
Daniel Tapia you mean leberon
Unkown Bih leGoat James
emm well, if u say so, but if your gonna say that at least spell his name right.
or an abbreviation
MR. T whi
this means that tim duncan is a system player which makes barkley better than him. Duncan was with pop all his career and even in his retirement, pop's system continues to flurish. Even when tim was getting older pop;s system bought them championships. Nobody ever brings that point up.
Idk If I would call him a system player, because even at 39 years old he was so fundamental that he was schooling younger athletic players.
Pretty much 98% of Lebron fans are big on stats
Da Doh because stats with context to the situation can not be denied
Kobe>Lebron
Da Doh stats are facts
facts are Kobe>Lebron
Da Doh if "facts are Kobe>LeBron" then back it up instead of saying so
Doesn't matter, if you lead your team to the W then you are the better player. Its the reason why the standings is part of the MVP criteria. You can have great stats but if you lose, you lose. And the whole Rings don't make the player argument, if thats the case then why did LeBron leave Cleveland to go team up with Wade and Bosh? I mean rings don't make the player right?
Great video and topic discussion, Dom! I'm right there with you, as much as I love Draymond, I think someone like Blake has a higher probability to stand out on most teams.
People look too much kobes career stats but don't talk about how 3-4 years he only played a few games each season because he was injured which bring down his stats a ton. Or the fact he averaged 32/6/6 in the finals with a broken finger. If you check prime stats 35/6/5 vs 31/7/7 I'd take prime Kobe over bron any day to lead a team.
iAlask lol 35 points while taking 27 plus shots is pretty easy even for me
The Finals showed LeBron's killer instinct. He had back to back 40 point games. A triple double in game 7. And he had a career saving block. How could you say he doesn't have killer instinct?
Jank Foots he has it, but not as Jordan or Kobe does
Jank Foots because he let his career come to the point where he needed to save it. That never happened with Kobe or Jordan
he just developed it
The difference is that Kobe and Jordan were BORN with this killer instinct. Hebron wasn't. But Lenron developed it and he has nearly come close to Jordan and Kobe in killer instinct this past NBA Finals. That Finals was the culmination of his development into the assassin he has become.
If u say so, and the best game a human has ever played is by far kobe's 81 point game, no argument there.
To dam dom 2k you right about everything you been saying but these brother Is all about the rings at the end
2:45 Major stats aren't just limited to those three categories. LeBron has never accumulated 200+ steals or 100+ blocks in a season. MJ did both in two consecutive years. Separately, he reached 200+ steals six times and 100+ blocks twice. That's why he became a DPOY. In the 1988-89 season; he averaged 32.5 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 8.0 apg (15 triple-doubles). Coming much closer to Oscar Robertson's famous 1961-62 numbers than LeBron ever did. The point is, we're comparing the career stats of a player who already played his twilight years to one who's currently still in his prime. LeBron's averages will inevitably go down as he gets older.
jp3813 preach.
Kobe is definetly the most SKILLFUL player of all time. Kobe's numbers in his prime can rival anyone however
Im so glad you said that cuz that actually makes a shitload of sense. Kobe pulled of some insane shit, while on the other hand LeBrons a more straight foward, euro-step, dunk the ball and occasional fade away.
GoD'Angelo Russell kobe has missed the most shots ever. that means his basketball iq is low. he pulls insane shit maybe 1/10 times. that's bad basketball
Aj Hudson That coupled to his last yrs too shooting an abysmal 20-30%. However if you watched him prime im sure youll see what i mean fam.
When your the only scoring option on your team for years the tends to happen unlike Jordan who had pippen his whole career
+Giovanni Herrera only he didnt have pippen his whole career.
Yo Dom, loving the content a lot. Please do a vid on why NBA shorts were very short or NBA 2K scenario, If KD was drafted by the warriors.
Peyton Manning has better numbers than Tom Brady and Joe Montana...Babe Ruth and Barry Bonds...Stats never tell the whole story but...I strongly believe if you put Kobe Bryant on Lebron James in a NBA finals game...I believe that Kobe would rise to the moment great defense of player with much more offensive skills and hes a killa on both ends and has that drive.
bruh, most knowledgeable fans and ball experts don't even have Kobe in their top 5...top 10 goat sure but his individual impact does not compare to that of Jordan's or Lebron's .
rashawn thompson lol wut
rashawn thompson bruh just shut up
+Dom2k It's a shame but it's true. Most people don't have Kobe in the top 5 or even top 10. I think that's ridiculous because Rings matter and his stats will stand the test of time. Not to mention his instinct for the game and all his intangibles.
rashawn thompson the same ones that don't have magic in there and Kobe better than magic these ESPN guys don't know more than everyone else cause most former players like shaq mj Barkley Larry bird etc are calling Kobe the better player so don't jack them pundits bro that's ridiculous for these guys to say Kobe the best or closet to get to mj and have him not in there too 5 but mj is considered the goat makes no sense if mj the best and Kobe the closest to him how is he not top 5 you should go by what your eyes tell you and not pundits and stats you prolly don't watch games you just turn on sc
Umm, this statement was a major airball
Nice vid. I really like the question and comparisons. I’m not sure if “better player” is even a question that can be answered since basketball is a team sport. Teams like the spurs have a system and only take players that can fit the system. Some might say that the ability to fit a system is what makes the player good. Also, when Steve Nash was at his prime, his individual stats were not impressive and he didn’t want any championships but his team was elevated to a whole new level of game play and was recognized as MVP. It certainly is an interesting topic though. Thanks for a thought provoking post!
if lebron wins this year he's the greatest of all time over MJ no matter what here's why
1:the 73-9 team added a megastar just to beat lebron and still lose? that would make lebron look like a god
2:He brought that TERRIBLE 07 cavs team to the finals and lets be real here MJ couldn't do that
3:he wouldve had 4 rings (5 rings if he wins the 2017 ship) if kyrie and love didn't get injured in the 2015 finals the cavs were up 2-1 and dont say "Love isn't that good" he is actually a great rebounder,defender, and idc wat yall say he can still score the ball
4:and as for him choking the mavs series (which i admit he did) he definitely made up for it in these last 2 finals
Melanie Rosen 1. You're assuming it's gonna be Cavs vs Warriors part 3 and that isn't a guarantee 2. The East was historically bad that year everybody knew that the Western Conference champion was gonna win the Finals by a landslide 3. This is literally the stupidest thing you could have said because that just an unfortunate circumstance that happens all the time in sports. That's like me saying Kobe would have had 6 rings if the Lakers won game six in 08 or that Duncan would have 6 rings if the Spurs were able to play defense in game 6. Bron is an all time great but your points were so bad.
I've never liked Lebron, almost hate him. But I have to agree with you, if he wins this year I won't deny his place next to MJ
Remember when Jordan fans used the rings argument to validate his greatness and LeBron fans said that shouldn't be used because it's a team effort to win a championship? But now since LeBron won a few they're using that same argument to validate his greatness, it's funny. I understand LeBron is an all time great, top 3 without a shadow of a doubt but in that 2016 win let's be real, he had Kyrie who averaged 27 ppg to LeBron's 29 ppg something Jordan never had from any teammate. The highest ppg average from a teammate Jordan ever had was 21ppg from Pippen. Pippen even averaged 15 ppg twice and Jordan still led them to win the championship. Warriors didn't add KD to beat LeBron they did it obviously to win another championship. You mention 2007 but the top team in the east was a 53 win Pistons team who was 4th overall in the entire league which means the top 3 teams in the NBA were all in the west. Jordan was drafted into a conference where an all time great Celtics team and the Bad Boy Pistons already had a hold on the east. Which eastern team in 2007 could compare to those teams? When the east got a little competitive LeBron couldn't get back to a Finals until he hooked up with Wade and Bosh. That whole would have could have argument is moot because whatever happened happened and you can't change it. That's like saying Jordan would have won 8 rings had he not retired early. And lastly, LeBron choked on the biggest stage and that's something Jordan never did. Not to mention Jordan accomplished more with great stats in less time, while LeBron is playing is 14th consecutive season and is still chasing Jordan.
suntansuperman26 It's so funny how quickly they forget who i was , i could easily have had 8 rings, if i didnt retire after the death of my father. All these scoring titles,MVPS, 1X DPOTY, FMVPS, 6/6 in the finals, IN THE TOUGHEST ERA OF BALL, Highest scoring average in both regular season and Playoffs, and in the finals. While lebron Has had some pretty easy competition in the East. There's no debate even if he wins this year. I'm the GOAT
suntansuperman26 And dont forget Lebron's fantastic 2011 Finals against the Mavericks...
Lebron is better than kobe
This shouldn't even be argument. Unfortunately, Kobetards still want to make a argument for Kobe that he's better. At best,Kobe is a top 20 player of all time while Lebron James is undoubtedly a top 5 player of all time.
LeBron BEEN better than Kobe. The only people that still deny it are the ones living in their little Lakers fantasy land.
i actually wondered this too. Specifically with the Jordan Lebron debate.
Lebron 4 MVP's 3 FMVP's
Kobe 1 MVP 2 FMVP's
Championships
Lebron 3
Kobe 5
Regular season
Lebron 27.3 ppg 7.1 rpg 6.9 ast 49% FG
Kobe 25.0 ppg 5.2 rpg 4.7 ast 44% FG
Play Offs
Lebron 28.0 ppg 8.5 rpg 6.5 apg 47% FG
Kobe 25.6 ppg 5.1 rpg 4.7 apg 44% FG
Finals
Lebron 26.7 ppg 9.6 rpg 7.1 apg 45% FG
Kobe 25.1 ppg 5.6 rpg 5.1 apg 41% FG
Game 7's (highest pressure games)
Lebron 32.3 ppg 9.3 rpg 4.8 apg 45.1 FG
Kobe 22.2 ppg 8.0 rpg 5.0 apg 38.9 FG
Elimination games (never give up mentality)
Lebron 31.1 ppg 11.0 rpg 7.9 apg 46.3 FG
Kobe 22.3 ppg 5.6 rpg 3.7 apg 41.7 FG
PER
Lebron ranked # 2 All Time
Kobe ranked # 22 All Time
WS
Lebron ranked # 11 All Time
Kobe ranked # 15 All time
WS per 48 Min
Lebron ranked # 6 All time
Kobe ranked # 54 All time
BPM
Lebron ranked # 1 All Time
Kobe ranked # 33 All Time
To save time,
Lebron has Kobe beat in - PPG, RPG, APG,SPG, BPG, TS%, eFG%, ORB%,DRB%, ORtg, DRtg, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, VORP.
CLUTCH PLAYOFFS
LeBron: 8-19 on go-ahead or tying shots in final 24 seconds
Kobe: 7-28 on go-ahead or tying shots in final 24 seconds
Current Playoff Records Held (only player in history too..)
Lebron 18
Kobe 2
Current Finals Records Held (only player in history too..)
Lebron 18
Kobe 1
Triple Doubles Reg Season
Lebron 37
Kobe 19
Triple Doubles Playoffs
Lebron 14
Kobe 0
Finals Triple Doubles
Lebron 6
Kobe 0
Lebron outperforms Kobe in the Regular season, playoffs and Finals. Lebron outperforms Kobe in game 7's, close out games and elimination games. Lebron outperforms Kobe in head to head match ups. Lebron is 16-6 against Kobe while statistically outperforming him. Lebron is a better teammate, a better leader, has more NBA records, NBA achievements/awards, Lebron is breaking all of Kobes "youngest player to score X amount of points. Kobe is known to be a piece of shit, drives great players out of LA. Lebron attracts free agents to gloomy Cleveland.
do u even have a life
ViolentVz excellent comment
ViolentVz bro you need a girl friend lmao
Mustafa Ozkan lol I do also I didn't write this I copy and paste this from purpleandgold024's comment. I'm way too lazy to do this type of research.
ViolentVz I hope he copied and pasted it too bc a person that goes on google to search all those answer just too write a comment must have no life lol
I hate when people call Lebron 'the best all around' or 'complete' player ever. The guy can't shoot for the life of him
Yes he can look at stats man he obviously isn't the best but he is clutch and can shoot.
Connor Williams The dude averages 34% from 3 for his career. That's not bad you are under estimating his shooting and clearly are very new to basketball.
Connor Williams what are you basing this off of?? Dudes shooting 49% for his career and 34% from three and he shot close to 57% from the field and 40% from three in his peak Miami days. He's already proven that he can shoot
Joe 5985 yet he's never shot over 400 threes, so obliviously sense (most) of his threes are wide open and not contested while not really shooting a lot of threes is gonna have to end up being decent. Last year we saw how "good" of a shooter LeBron is even dipping below 24% at one point because, now he was being guarded.
+MYJEEP GOSKEEERT why would he need to shoot that many 3's? The most 3's made in a season by Larry bird was like 86 does that mean he's a bad shooter too?
Dom2k is my fav youtuber rn, just thoughtful and not overly reliant on hyperbole or inane states. Wish he could do a vid on Charles Barkley.
of course you'll get assist if kd/ curry / klay on your team. blake is way better than green. what can he do more than blake?you're insulting blake.
Scoring: Blake
Passing: Draymond
Rebounding: Draymond
Shooting: Draymond
Finishing: Blake
santino anthonyz give ya self an L
Im not an analyst or anything, but I am pretty sure shooting and scoring Are the same
Blake has improved in shooting, and scoring is by a land slide while everything else is close like assists and rebounding.
+beast from the east shooting is just about jumpshots, scoring is just how good they are at getting points so it goes Scoring: Blake Passing: Blake Rebounding: Draymond Shooting: Draymond Finishing: Blake Defending: Draymond
Rn mj > lbj > kobe
This will probably change in 5-8 years from now.
And no, i'm not a lebron dickrider or mj dickrider i'm just an nba fan with common sense
I am a huge LBJ fan but I think that he can't pass mj
Filip Nikolic i think he might if he gets like another mvp and maybe a ring while putting up the same numbers
That one guy LeBrons individual skill set doesn't even match up to MJs such as his footwork, post up game, shooting, etc. Unless that changes and he passes a lot of MJs career totals in regular season and playoffs he can't pass Jordan.
X02Overdose i never said that he will be better i said that he might. eve though lebron's shooting is arguably better than mj's
X02Overdose he's on pace to beat jordan in every major category
Perfect analysis man I couldn't agree more
no. Kwame brown is the GOAT. turnovers KB 1.3 MJ 2.3. ya see. kwame the GOAT
Wilt is the GOAT, he's better than all of them
Dom2k is straight up, respect for that dude.
ok well kobes stats got fucked up because of his injuries before that kobe was averaging 28,6,5
Javerious No they didn't, its "points per game." If you don't play then it doesn't count towards your PPG
I KNOW THAT when he came back he was averging less points less rebounds and less assists
Javerious That just comes with old age, that happened to every player to ever play in the NBA
nonono don't start with that shit ok the season kobe got his injury he was still averaging 27points in that season
Javerious happens to a lot of people, injuries come with old age, your body just can't take it anymore
draymond can only be good if there are other stars around him
Noah Melendez you know what before this year I would have agreed with you but when you look at what Harrison Barnes is doing in Dallas plus when Steph has actually been out Draymond has put up big time numbers like he did against the Rockets in the playoffs last year plus his numbers in the NBA finals he is clearly a franchise player
+Sheep Herder he isnt. He still has KD and Klay
Mr StealYoGril He didn't have KD last year when Steph was out he is easily a better player on both sides of the ball than say Harrison Barnes and he is putting up 20 ppg in Dallas plus DG can rebound he can pass and is an elite defender and most importantly he is a leader in the locker room he could easily lead a team
He is exactly what you consider rodman, shaun marion or ron artest to be.
I love your videos there very dom2k should do more what if. huge fan
Thanks man!
I will soon.
The killer instinct argument is dumb... From Kobe to Westbrook, the "killer instinct" just meant that they jacked up a ton of shot inefficiently. That's why the Lakers and Thunders were a mediocre when Kobe and WB were the lone show. Lebron doesn't have the killer instinct and that's good, he has more of a Magic Johnson type mentality and he gets teammates involved, which is why whatever team and supporting cast Lebron is on or has, they are a winning team. MJ had the killer instinct, but thing was he was efficient while shooting a lot. That's why Kobe shouldn't be in the same sentence as MJ and Lebron.
Justin Hu you sir have cracked the code, people will never realize the difference between players like KD and Russ.. people will do the most to defend Kobe even if it means sounding stupid lol it's kinda funny
Kobe's efficiency is comparable to the other two for anyone with a brain. FG% means nothing because it doesn't take into account ability to get to the free throw line and the fact that 3s are worth more than 2s.
The Lakers were still decent when Kobe was *completely* alone in 2006. Meanwhile LeBron's early Cavs days, the Cavs were only relevant because they played in the shitty Eastern Conference, and LeBron had more help.
I like how you gotta compare a "Prime" Kobe to a 22 year old Lebron. Keep it coming lmaoo
+ Kobe and Lebron have averaged more ppg WHILE shooting high percentages, I guarantee if you search up their TS% Mj and Brons are much higher
WhateverReally they were only relevant because of lebron and his team was just as bad. I'll give you maybe SLIGHTLY better than the Lakers.
Lebron is the best player of the three. Its just a coincidence that he's also a better all around player. Not the deciding factor.
Internet Police He had that kind of performance before the finals and couldn't make it there on his own, unlike LeBron in 2007
Great video! But the reason why Kobe has the worst stat line out of those three is because of his inconsistent early and late years, in his prime he could take both! But ur point is awesome on Draymond and Blake.
Kobe>Brian Scalabrine
Kobe ppg dropped cuz he was playing burned out
James Harden also because his first 2 years he came off the bench
Karnvir Basra yea he played for 20 frickin years
Player A avg more ppg, rebounds, blocks, assist, steal n blocks than player B. N has more MVPs n finals MVPs. Also is # 1 all time in plus/minus n 7th all time in win shares. The other is no top 10 in either category. Without names NOBODY would pick player B. But the flopping, team switching, n the decision are the only reasons ppl favors kobe (player B) over lebron (player A)
I really don't see a argument where you can pint out Kobe is better than Bron without sounding ignorant, the one I always hear is the "Kobe stayed with his team" Bullcrap. I mean what does that have to do with on court production???? + plus not every player has the luxury to be drafted into a team that just signed SHAQ going into his prime.. the best player Lebron ever had in Cleveland was probably Mo Williams.. I guarantee Kobe would've left those Cleveland teams too.
Meechy Merc Em kobe played in a far better division then lebron of course his stats are great conpare lebron and kobes western and eastern conference stats side by side and you will see
Lol 😂 lebrons stats are the same against the western conference compared to the east, they're actually a bit better
fr plus ik we all seen the interview with stephen a where kobe had demanded a trade from the lakers and wanted out pronto
Kobe had about the same stats in one of the playoffs with Shaq. Kobe was still young during his first 3 rings. During kobe's prime years, he had no one on his team. No one could guard kobe in his prime and plus with a bunch of bench players in his starting line up, he wouldn't want to pass it, but he still averaged like 5 assists. Well Kobe could get 4 straight 50 point games. 62 points in 3 quarters outscoring the entire opposing team combined. 81 points in a game. Bron could never do that... Kobe >Bron > Mj
I agree Meechy. Any star perimeter player would have been able to win with Shaq in his prime. I think that what this video doesn't take into account, is the same thing all Kobe fans don't take into account: efficiency.
Draymond Green has never been in the situation where he had a team that forced him to shoot 20+ shots per game for the season. Jordan, Lebron, Kobe, Iverson, and Shaq all were in those situations. On that list, the only person Kobe was more efficient then was Iverson. Even in those "prime years" where his team was missing the playoffs or being bounced in the first round, he was playing a bunch of hero/selfish ball and it cost them. I would even say his hero ball cost them the championship against the pistons, look at that stat line!!
I don't care if you average 35 ppg in a season if you're tossing up 27 shots per game shooting 45% from the field. Young Jordan had a season where he shot 27 times a game, but he averaged 37ppg on 47% shooting. Like it or not, that's just better efficiency. And of course when you're shooting that much, you're bound to have a couple of games where your shot is just wet..
If stats are everything why isn't Kareem the goat and Mj is. See I don't think being the complete player is always the better player and for Kobe stats look at his min for his first 3 seasons
i was actually thinking one day why arent wilt chamberlain or kareem considered the GOATS, but its because mj got lucky and he became big when the internet and shoes were becoming popular. which that just popularized him more, the argument between kobe, lebron, and mj should be that not being the all complete player
Lamar Prince II Internet?
MYJEEP GOSKEEERT what i said internet
Lamar Prince II Jordan was big WAY before the Internet, and even then you couldn't look up anything about Jordan on the Internet back in the 90's. Jordan got big the same way magic and wilt got big, with stellar play.
BossL Gaming GREAT POINTS. Why don't LeBron stat fanatics call Kareem the GOAT? And OF COURSE Kobe would have lower stats in his first few seasons, as the Lakers were still a decent team that could afford to bench their rookie, while the Cavs were absolute fucking trash that were looking for a franchise player to build around.
that is a tough one,also the centres have a special situation there because lets say we do an all time fantasy draft youre gonna need a solid center even though theyre not as complete so it would actually make sense to pick a wilt/kareem/shaq over a jordan/kobe/lebron
Lebrons has advantages based on his size and strength so of course he's gonna average more rebs. I think if you give mj lebrons body pause the only thing lebron would be better at is assist. Same wit Kobe. LBJ has more points cus Kobe being wit Shaq slowed down his development and lowered his scoring in part of his prime and the Achilles messed him up too. I'm 13 so try not to come at me bruhs Im just saying nothing on LBJ who is top 5 all time
Except Kobe and Mj don't have Lebron's body...
LBJ has more points than Kobe cause he shoots a lot more efficiently and has a better shot selection
Jordan Grant ignorant
Jordan Grant so its lebrons fault that jordan doesnt have a bulky body and why kobe got injured?
No I'm just saying LBJ is better than them at those things and its hard to compare some things. I'm not insulting LBJ I think he's number 2 on the players I mentioned
How
Would rather have someone really really good at one thing rather than someone who is good at everything, this applies to almost everything including Basketball lol
Jack of all trades, master of none.
"Batman"
suntansuperman26 that is legit goat
Lebron is one really good at everything
Dom, Idk how I slipped up on your videos but your content is really good. So we'll thought & concise.
Real quick tho. People really do sleep on Lebron when talking about the GOAT. People are so quick to shut down the argument. And even the biggest reason why people are anti lebron for goat is rings and he has 3. That is still impressive as hell. And how is it a knock against him that he is 3-7 all time in the finals. That is still impressive as hell. Derek Fisher has more rings than lebron but nobody cares about him. One final point is that lebron has been controlling the east for the the last six years. He has made it to the finals six years in a row. That is crazy. I am Michael Jordan fan don't get me wrong, and I can make a whole page article on why Jordan>Lebron, but I think lebron deserves a lot more credit and he is a close second to Jordan.
Jacob Eiseman Nobody cares about Derek Fisher!? He's one of my top ten favorite Lakers and I'm a Lakers fan. DF>LBJ.
Just kidding, but he is one of my favorite Lakers.
SalaCommander26 lol. Maybe I upgraded it wrong in the comment. I have a lot of respect for Df and he was a very important part of Kobe's championship without shaq
Dude LeBron's six Finals runs in a row is great and all but look at the competition in the East. It's shit.
If he were in the West, he wouldn't have made it to the Finals in 2011, 2014 or 2015 by definition (since he lost to Western Conference teams those years), very seriously might not have made it in 2013 and 2016 (both those series were close as hell despite the Western Conference team having had to go through tougher competition to get there and therefore had less left in the tank) and the only year he definitely would have gone to the Finals is 2012, where they would have pasted whoever made it out of the East.
So LeBron in the West would have 3 Finals at the most, 2 Finals most likely and 1 Finals at the least.
Mj has 10 scoring titles and a Dpoy with multiple steals titles. lebron needs to catch up on those first. Jordan averages 30 in the regular season and 33 in the playoffs. This isn't a discussion Mj is a more dominant player
There were at least a couple Kobe Bryant teams that didn't make it to the finals because the west was a beast. Whereas if he were in the east for those seasons, he'd have a better record and certainly make it to the finals because a #4 team in the west in a lot of the seasons this last decade could make it to NBA finals in the east. I wonder what would happen if we show Lebron's numbers vs. Western conference teams, would it be as good? he has to play a lot of garbage teams being in the east, especially in the Playoffs.
Lebron is the most complete all around player dubbing him the best player of all time.....
I don't understand why people use this argument Kobe and MJ job was to score LeBron job is to run the floor they have different jobs therefore different stats.
This is really just an impossible dilemma because how you play and how well you play depends on the people around you so with each superstar that we get that could be considered the greatest it is impossible to tell as their play style is always altered or determined by the type of team they have
The only people who think Kobe is better than Lebron are Laker fans and people who hate Lebron
Boogie Cousins #MakeNBAFairAgain laker and spurs fan here (very weird Ik lol) but lebron is better than Kobe even laker fans should believe that
what a stupid and biased comment
Says the curry fan, look at your picture lmao. Kobe is way better
Fupe Liasco Im the furthest thing from a Curry fan, try again.
Career 4th QTR shooting in the Finals:
LeBron: 95/214 (44.3%)
Kobe: 68/176 (38.6%)
LeBron vs Kobe head to head:
Wins: 16 - 6
PPG 28.2 - 24.6
RPG 7.4 - 5.0
APG 7.3 - 5.2
FG% 47 - 43
Career Averages:
LeBron: 27.3ppg
Kobe: 25.4ppg
LeBron: 7.1 rpg
Kobe: 5.2rpg
LeBron: 6.9 apg
Kobe: 4.8 apg
LeBron: 1.7 spg
Kobe: 1.5 spg
LeBron: .8 bpg
Kobe: .5 bpg
LeBron: Career PER: 27.7
Kobe: Career PER: 23.2
LeBron: 10 seasons with 25+ PER
Kobe: 3 seasons with 25+ PER
LeBron: 4 seasons with 30+ PER
Kobe: 0 seasons with 30+ PER
LeBron: 3rd all-time in PER
Kobe: 22nd all-time in PER
LeBron: .497 career FG%
Kobe: .451 career FG%
LeBron: 11 seasons with 47+ FG%
Kobe: 0 seasons with 47+ FG%
LeBron: 5 seasons with 50+ FG%
Kobe: 0 seasons with 50+ Fg%
LeBron: 2 seasons with 56+ FG%
Kobe: 0 seasons with 56+ FG%
LeBron: .342 FG%
Kobe: .334 FG%
LeBron: 5 seasons with 35+ 3FG%
Kobe: 4 seasons with 35+ 3FG%
Playoff Stats:
LeBron: 28.2 ppg
Kobe: 25.6 ppg
LeBron: 8.8 rpg
Kobe: 5.1 rpg
LeBron: 6.7 apg
Kobe: 4.7 apg
LeBron: 27.4 PER
Kobe: 22.4 PER
Best playoff averages (per 36 min)
2008-09 LeBron
2008-09 Kobe
LeBron: 31 ppg
Kobe: 27 ppg
LeBron: 19.4 FGA
Kobe: 20.3 FGA
LeBron: 51 FG%
Kobe: 45 FG%
LeBron: 5 3PA
Kobe: 4.1 3PA
LeBron: 33 3P%
Kobe: 34 3P%
LeBron: 14.3 2PA
Kobe: 16.2 2PA
LeBron: 57 2P%
Kobe: 48 2P%
LeBron: 8 rpg
Kobe: 4.7 rpg
LeBron: 6.3 apg
Kobe: 4.8 apg
LeBron: 1.4 spg
Kobe: 1.5 spg
LeBron: 0.7 bpg
Kobe: 0.8 bpg
LeBron: 2.4 turnovers
Kobe: 2.3 turnovers
LeBron: 37.4 PER (Highest PER of all time)
Kobe: 26.8 PER
Best regular season averages
(per 36 min)
2012-13 LeBron
2005-06 Kobe
LeBron: 25.5 ppg
Kobe: 31.1 ppg
LeBron: 16.9 FGA
Kobe: 23.9 FGA
LeBron: 56 FG%
Kobe: 45 FG%
LeBron: 3.2 3PA
Kobe: 5.7 3PA
LeBron: 40 3P%
Kobe: 35 3P%
LeBron: 13.8 2PA
Kobe: 18.2 2PA
LeBron: 60 2P%
Kobe: 48 2P%
LeBron: 7.6 rpg
Kobe: 4.7 rpg
LeBron: 7 apg
Kobe: 4 apg
LeBron: 1.6 spg
Kobe: 1.6 spg
LeBron: 0.8 bpg
Kobe: 0.6 bpg
LeBron: 2.8 turnovers
Kobe: 2.7 turnovers
LeBron: 3 seasons with 30+ PER (including NBA record 37.4 PER in 2009)
Kobe: 0 seasons with 30+ PER
LeBron: 8-19 on go-ahead or tying shots in final 24 seconds
Kobe: 7-28 on go-ahead or tying shots in final 24 seconds
Kobe: 5 Titles
LeBron: 3 Titles
Kobe: 2 FMPVs (Gasol was a better FMVP candidate in 2010- Led Lakers in Win Shares and Offensive Rating- 122 vs 108, Bryant with 6-24 performance in Game 7)
LeBron: 3 FMVPs (Almost had 4, received 4 out of the 10 FMVP votes in the 2015 NBA Finals.)
LeBron vs Kobe - Career High average in each category
PPG: Kobe
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: ---
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron
OWS: LeBron
DWS: LeBron
TWS: LeBron
WS/48: LeBron
OBPM: LeBron
DBPM: LeBron
TBPM: LeBron
VORP: LeBron
ORB%: LeBron
DRB%: LeBron
TRB%: LeBron
AST%: LeBron
STL%: ---
BLK%: LeBron
Let’s also not forget that Kobe is:
All-time leader in total missed shots in the regular season.
All-time leader in missed shots in the playoffs.
All-time leader in missed shots when you combine the regular season and playoffs.
Most missed game winners and buzzer beaters.
Only Finals MVP not to shoot above 50% in a single finals game (did this both in 2009 and 2010).
Worst shooting performance by any NBA finals MVP in history (40%).
Out of the top 20 players in points per game all time, the only player from the modern era with a lower career FG% than Kobe is Iverson.
There are only 13 games in NBA history where someone has scored 50 points or more on sub 50% shooting, Kobe is responsible for 7 of those 13 games.
Only 5 players in NBA history have missed over 2,000 more shots than they’ve made; Allen Iverson, Bob Petitt, John Havlicek, Elvin Hayes and Kobe Bryant.
Kobe holds the record for most consecutive NBA Finals games shooting under 50% (15).
Led the NBA in missed shots six times.??
wall is more complete. Kyrie is a scorer. wall is easily better than Kyrie.
Hype Mixes Westbrook is then 1st best in the league since he is averaging a triple double
Bilal Shakir Well he is and that's true
Hype Mixes agreed, but in the 4th quarter I'm taking Kyrie over Wall, i'm sorry.
UA Gaming you need to understand that Westbrooks stats are up cause he plays on a trash team. it's like the Kobe 2004 to 2007 situation.
I'd take kyrie
End result, not always. But between Draymond and Blake It's a toss up and really depends the team you want to put them on. For example, I believe Draymond will be a better fit for teams that are already good since he is versatile and can fill many roles. For other teams that are relatively bad I'll take Blake because he can be the superstar of that team. It really depends on the players you put them around. Because I can guarantee the if their was a trade between Blake and Draymond, neither team will be happy or be better because of that.
Kobe is better than lebron
Nah what makes kobe better?
Jordan Green where is your explanation u have none lebron is better in every way prob beside instinct and that's debatable
Forever Hip Hop injuries and shitty team mates kept kobe down. Even shaq let kobe down, the offence was run through shaq not kobe for a couple of years. Then kobe really became something special untill injuries around 2010. Kobe is better in my opinion
Killer instinct, Clutch, 5 championships and lebron will have worse stats by the time he retires
Intangibles.
the only area were Kobe will ever be better than LeBron is in rings. (I hate both)
four twenty I think LeBron still has quite a chance to get 5.
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Bilal Shakir no. I think he could maybe squeeze in one more, but with the juggernaut warriors, the spurs being good for the millionth time, and future star teams like the Lakers and the Wolves (I'm not saying the lakers and the Wolves are good now, but they will be in 2-3 years), he won't get 2 more
four twenty Kobe is a way better scorer than Lebron
AngelSurge SSX PPG says different
Honestly, when u talk i'm trying to come up with arguments, but u have so great arguments urself i can't😂
Lebron had to followed Wade to Miami rode his coat tail to 2 NBA Titles Wade is the reason why Lebron has a ring to start with has it not been for Wade Lebron would have 0 rings the Bulls beating the Cavs Friday Night prove that Wade was the leader of that 2010-2014 Miami Heat team Kobe never had to ride no coat tail
Franklin Clinton then why did lebron win finals mvp? lebron won finals mvp both times so clearly he wasnt riding shit. kobe was legit riding shaq tho he never won a finals mvp with shaq. without shaq and pau kobe would have no rings. without pippen MJ would have no rings. without kareem magic would have no rings. u dumb af
Franklin Clinton plus wade isnt even the leader of that bulls team dumbass, jimmy butler is
Ken S who the fuck cares about finals mvp
Ken S who said Wade Was the leader of the Bulls team but he was leader of that 2010-2014 Heat Team
Lebron did ride Wade coat tail in Miami Ken S
The thing that mj and kobe have over lebron is rings and the and like dom said the killer mentality
no no lebron has a killer mentality, you dont average over 30 twice, drop 25 straight to beat the defending champs, and drop 40 back to back without one. Also has the most game winners in the playoffs tied with micheal
Fukin exactly, teamsuccess > ballhogging, he doesn't pull up for three every damn time cuz he does what he's good at
no no "The LeBron don't have killer mentality" should've ended game 6 vs Boston in 2012 at the Garden.
João Paulo maybe so, but Kobe and Jordan came into the league with that. LeBron developed it.
Omer Eissa Lebron had it day one, he lead his trash ass team to the playoffs in his second year and dropped 30 a game by the age of 20.
Metropolis soundtrack RaC 3!!!!! Dom 2K u the real MVP
I would take tim Duncan over all of em
TrapxGod Leafy I would take Kevin garnett
IsmaelC26 Plays who would u take a dirk shaq fusion or a lebron and Jordan fusion
TrapxGod Leafy What does that have to do with anything?
MYJEEP GOSKEEERT just curiosity
TrapxGod Leafy Well then a Jordan and LBJ, then you could do literally EVERYTHING at a high performance, while with the dirk/Shaq neither where very good defender's, Shaq mainly being a shot-blocker and it just kinda stops their. Sure that fusion would be a great scorer, but I don't it would average more than 11 rebounds, which sounds good but, you'll probably get that from the MJ and LBJ fusion as well. This is all assuming you'd just take the greatest parts of each player and combine them.
Talent wise lebron James is better than Jordan, if you wanna talk about that bullshit about mentality go head. Larry bird had way more of a killer instinct than magic but everyone knows magic is better. It's not even an argument he's better than both of them on court, you wanna talk about mental aspects as if you're a psychologist go for it
+maurice gaines Lol mentality definitely isn't BS. Not even close
Dom2k yes it is to a certain degree. The fact that Dom said people thought lebron "may have quit" against the celtics proves you can't tell what is going through a mans head to begin with so how are you going to measure that
Wait nvm you are dom I didn't read the name
maurice gaines If you actually played basketball youd know it does matter
Mitchell Rauma explain to me how it can put somebody Jordan over the more talented lebron but not bird over the more talented magic
I've been wit Dom since 4K subs
Appreciate you
Kobe is barely top 10 just stop it. He is not as good as LeBron and he shouldn’t be mentioned with mj.
Kobe is top 5
ballin 25 Its MJ,Lebron,Kobe,Larry Bird,Majc. So you should shut up boy
Celtics Be Beastmode Kobe isn't top 5 lmfao.
It's MJ, Kareem, LeBron, Magic, Bird for top 5.
stats do not matter. stats just show what you can do on the floor. It doesn't show whether or not that person is the better player
I wouldn't say they don't matter.
Dom2k in this case they don't matter . like u said draymond and blake. draymond gets better stats but Blake is better
LJ2k 03 Draymond doesn't really get better stats as much as he gets a better variety of them, cause 21 & 10 is equally if not more valuable than 10pts 8reb and 7ast because of how important en elite scorer is.
21 and 10 is better assuming that 21 and 10 is Blake
this is the most stupid comment I've ever read
you always come out with good unbiased videos. I've watched a ton and the videos are always great
Lebron will have the career because he is a stat guy he fills the sheets but I don't think he's a better player than MJ or Kobe. Skill for skill proud for pound MJ and Kobe are better players because when there athleticism left them they still dominated the league we will have to wait on Lebron. It's not fair to compare players who don't play the same position Kobe and MJ shooting guards Lebron Small Forward.
Daniel Isome Yh but Kobe and mj was just 2 inches under lebron
Dr.CookiesNeedLoveLikeEverthingDoes I didn't say that it was the other guy I said it doesn't really make a difference if I they play different positions
TheAsianSwinger so it's fair to compare AI to Lebron when you talking about rebounds. So it fair to compare Shaq shooting % to Lebron. Position matter bro forwards play closer to the rim which it makes it easier to get rebounds.
Daniel Isome did I say that? It's different because those are the 3 names that keep popping up. Relatively speaking it's not fair but in this case he stated that they can play all 5 positions. In that case that's why I said "it doesn't matter what positions they play" I never said that ai nor Shaq was in the conversation so you are making an irrelevant comment.
And if we were talking about greatest of all times then arnt we saying they are all around. What point do u have if you are the greatest of all time but can't guard another position. You can be the greatest at your position but if you are the greatest shouldn't u be able to guard and shoot over anyone?
If we talk about Basketball skills , its LeBron>Jordan>Bryant . Dont even start with that mentality thing i talk about skill so LeBron is the better player . And even with mentality why is LeBron a quitter ? Jordan has lost in the first round aswell . And this just Shows how the east was better than the west when MJ played .
I am saying this as a Curry fan .
No no no no no wait, Lebron is the most amazing physically, Pure skill alone MJ and Kobe have much more cause they weren't damn trains. Now don't get me wrong my favorite player of all time and my personal GOAT is Wilt Chamberlain which is so focused on his strength and athleticism. So i understand the born with the better body argument is stupid because it takes just as much work to be a physical monster as to be someone like Curry that can dominate the league purely on skill since he has no help from his body. Basically all im saying is pure skill definitely goes to Kobe and MJ before Lebron but that doesn't mean he's worse i just want to say that pure skill is when someone can dominate with a not so great either height or weight or just someone that isn't athletic.
Angelo King i dont think so . No one would dominate like they did if they werent athletic . What if Jordan couldnt dunk ? Only shootes will play the same . I get your point but this is just crazy.
CrYpToN_Epiic lebron has talent. He doesn't have better skills then Kobe. Skill comes from hours and hours of work. Kobe worked harder then mj. Phil even quoted that. Kobe has better footwork, jump shots, post fadeaway, and 3s which comes from practice
LeBron is definitely less skilled than both MJ and Kobe, however he's probably more talented than both MJ and Kobe.
Draymond Green game 7 performance
32 pts on 73.3%
9 ast
15 reb
no one else made even 20 points
I know it's just one game but Draymond seriously busted his ass during elimination to try and get a win despite everyone else's performance. I feel like he should be considered as someone that could lead a team
Great vid btw(as usual ofc lol)
Kobe is not better then LeBron it's really not even close and hasn't been for some time.
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Robert M he's fucking retired what are you talking about. Up until 2013 he was clearly better.
Anybody who says that Kobe is better than Lebron doesn't watch basketball
The Brain that makes no sense. LeBron carried teams of YMCA stars wayyyyy past their potential. All lobe did in his stretch of bas teams was score 81
Man Don you have some great ideas for content. A lot of similar channels like this but you don't just do the cliche videos everyone does.