personally I think the 2000-2010 Era was the best plus the lakers ended that Era with a championship and began with one in 2000 I miss young kobe carrying teams getting robbed for so MVPs, Tracy McGrady doing electric body shit, THE NASTY DETROIT PISTONS SQUAD, Jesus Shuttlesworth, that young LEBRON!!!!, young Heso Melo Jello Favorite Color Yellow! Dwade crazy ass plays and his slashing ass! Steve Francis, Allen Iverson, Shaq trying to murder kobe! Agent 0🔫, Brandon roy clutch ass, VINCE CARTER DUNKAHOLIC ASS!!! Jason Kidd, triple double monster head ass, Yao Ming big tall ass! Dwight Howard gay ass, That Phoenix Suns Squad The Big Ticket, The TRUTH!!!! JASON RICHARDSON!!!! 06 Kobe! Dirk Nowitzki Perfect ass (No Homo) Reggie Miller Old ass, so many more.
This is facts. LeBron has had to match up with Kevin Durant, Paul Pierce, Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, Kobe Bryant, and Carmelo Anthony. All in their primes. What guards did Michael face in the 90s? Drexler, and who else? Hardaway? Richmond? He was the only truly great perimeter player in that era...
Erik Lerström You think that if you put Isiah Thomas, Michael Jordan, Bird, and Rodman together with no center they wouldn't dominate? It's just the build of the team. And don't you remember those 80s Nuggets teams that would finish right next to LA every year leading the league in scoring and played no defense? They had no center. Act like SA, LAC, and OKC weren't contending with two solid physical big men. Unfair comparison.
The fact is Jordan had to face more winning teams on his title runs. En route to the Finals Jordan faced and beat 3 60+ winning teams in the eastern conference (Orlando, NY and Miami) and he faced and beat 4 60+ winning teams for the championship (Suns, Seattle and Utah 2x). So that's 7 60+ winning teams Jordan had to deal with. Whereas LeBron only had to deal with 5. He faced and beat 2 60+ winning teams en route to the Finals (Bulls and Hawks) and has faced 3 60+winning teams in the Finals (Spurs and Warriors 2x) and only beat 1 (2016 Warriors). So it's not like Jordan was dealing with less competition than LeBron.
So the 2012 OKC with KD, Westbrook and Harden(47W in a lockout year) or the 2013 SAS( 58W ) weren't wining teams? gtfo KD, Westbrook and Harden are now all top5 players and the Spurs are dominating for 2 decades. Let me remind you that in 2007 LeBron was just 22 and caried a team of scrubs to the finals where he got beaten by the Spurs in their prime. Oh, and one more thing... How many 70+W teams did Jordan beat?
*Things I needed to include in the part about the zone* So technically, yes, zones by rule weren't allowed in the 90s, however they still did happen, as I found footage of Jordan saying a team went into a zone (and I read other accounts of coaches saying they couldn't call it a zone but that's what they were playing). Regardless, illegal defense was still called in those cases and they weren't supposed to do it, so just like most rules in the NBA, it was an imperfect system that could be cheated. Also, I wasn't trying to imply that the rule made 90's defense weak, I was simply acknowledging that just how players today may have a disadvantage against physical D; they may also have an advantage with Iso ball, especially when you consider that with teams today, a defense having to fully double team the star would surely lead to an open three for someone. What is your opinion on the video? Is this a weak era? Were the 90s better? Like comment and sub if you enjoyed! Business email: Theweightliftingcentral@Gmail.com Patreon: patreon.com/dom2k16 Facebook: facebook.com/mrnba2khighlights Twitter: twitter.com/mr2khighlights Instagram: instagram.com/nba_2k_highlights Snapchat: Dom_2k
Dom2k thanks for actually mentioning the big man in the league, because many "NBA fans" practically forget that NBA big men carry a team even today. The warriors are a perfect example, because they have no really good big men and are completely destroyed in the paint.
Dom2k Nice video man I grew up in the 90's so I have had the luck of being able to have watched both eras and I think the biggest issue that you pointed out was the spreading of talent around the league there were just so many interesting teams to watch back then Bulls MJ and Pippen Jazz Stockton and Malone Spurs The Admiral Knicks Ewing and Starks Sonics Payton and Kemp Blazers Drexler and Smith Charlotte LJ and Mourning Warriors Run TMC Pacers had Reggie and Mark Jackson Phoenix had Barkley and Kevin Johnson Magic Shaq and Penny And I'm sure if missed many more Hakeem and Grant Hill just sprang to mind that's 13 teams off the dome that if we had league pass back then we would have tuned into Today I can only watch a few games like you said and this whole superteams thing is horrible for the league the players today are just as fun to watch as those back in the 90's but the spread of talent is horrible and needs to be addressed
@@frogyparra4645 lol whats the point of what you are saying? everyone is gonna die someday no body lives forever of course. but he was 40yo and could live another 40 years and his daughter even worse could love up to like 60-70 more years...you could argue that kobe had a full life (didnt get to raise all his daughters tho) but gianna had the whole life in front of her...smh with those answers gtfoh
The 90's era was like a game of Chess. Tough minded players, that played tough physical defense. The style of play was more of a strategic half court game, something i miss from the modern era. Today's era is like Checkers. Players play less defense, but a faster style of play that relies mostly shooting 3's all night long. They're both entertaining to watch but you can see the difference.
SugarBear I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. The game today is played with much more tact and strategy. The game of the 80s and 90s was more physical and above the rim. You didn't have players like CP3 and Rondo and Green calling out sets on the court and acting like an extension of the coach. The modern era may be a less physical game than the past but its definitely more of a strategic game than ever in the NBAs history.
big quillie this is pretty false up until recently contracts were like forever. So guys couldn’t just jump but they forced trades like Barkley, Drexler, Kareem, Aguirre. If Reggie could of left he would of. I mean in the early 00’s contracts were shortened to like 7 years... 7 years? That’s almost the players primes. 90’s were better for a lot of things but not because of player movement. If your team did their job why leave? Why would Magic leave a team where he played with about 5 or 6 HOFs? Why would Bird leave after playing with 6 HOFs? But I could understand LBJ in ‘10. Cleveland didn’t try. Or KD witnessing OKC trade Harden for nothing but allowed RW to play out of control. Or watch OKC trade Jeff Green for Perkins. Shorter contracts is good for the league. It out pressure on the gms. I mean Tristsn Thompson over Klay? Rubio & Flynn over Steph & Demar?
SugarBear more physical isn’t better. I can stop great scorers by pushing/shoving them. It’s harder to play defense without fouling and going for the ball. Plus they expected almost everyone to go for a mid range or a drive. More 1 on 1 ISO’s which goes back to Dom’s point in the video
Dr.CookiesNeedLoveLikeEverthingDoes Tom Thibs taught KG how to get around that by staying in the paint for 2.9 (roughly) seconds, hopping out, and back in. Something more teams could teach that's how he anchored Celtics defense sometimes in 08.
"Was the NBA really better in the 90s" *has a picture from the '80s as thumbnail* You should've titled it "old school vs new school". Cause you showed a lot of '80s footage as well.
the 80s was better than 90s to me 90s was watered down too many teams not enough talent due to expansion early 2000s was better than 80s and now it’s just the style sucks chuck up 3s
It is totally ridiculous to say current nba players are softer and less good in general than 80s or 90s. Maybe the league is softer but not the players. Lebron James: 6 foot 8 height, 7 foot wingspan, runs faster than big fellas, jumps higher than guards, great scorer at best and a top passer, playmaker and in his prime a great defender. Can dominate the basketball game in multiple different ways, and people say he will be destroyed in 80s and 90s. Lebron to me is the Magic Johnson with more skillsets, if Magic can win 5 rings, give Lebron players like Kareem he can definitely win more. Kevin Durant: 7 foot, 7 foot 6 wingspan, can shoot from anywhere, again quicker than centers and have guards skills. Who the heck can guard him? Honestly do think all these handchecking can bother him he just need to shake and fake and gets by you. Kawhi Leonard: Built like an old school player, 6 foot 7, 7 foot 3 wingspan he has great fundementals great seperations shooting mid-range, just don't see how this guy will be worse in the 80s and 90s. Steph: Can pull up from anywhere. Giannis: Too athletic, too big too strong. A bit lacking in skills but him physically is definitely too overpowering for players even Shaq admitted so. Anthony Davis: A slightly less athletic Giannis with more guard skills and shooting. Even Kareem says if he wants to be a modern player he want to be AD. His guard skills will definitely make older players headache cuz they never met big guys with that much skills. And even some old school arrogant players, like Bird, praises current era, and they are known for either going through rough games or being physical, and they said modern players will do well in 80s and 90s, I just don't get the point why current players aren't as good myth is up there. Also players are human, a player as great as LBJ, KD, Kawhi, Steph, Giannis and AD will definitely adjust their mentality in an era of more rough plays, they will learn to adjust and ultilize their physical advantage better and slightly change the game. I don't see how they will not do well in the 80s and 90s, especially if you put them in great teams.
I'm 14 and I know today is more talented but the NBA was more fun and competitive back then. These days, people are already saying AD and D Booker should leave to go to a better team! Wtf?!!? Stars in the 90s actually cared about loyalty and their fans, if you think Ewing would leave to go to the bulls to get a chip or Miller would go to the lakers just to go for a chip I have a igloo in Mexico to sell you
personally I think the 2000-2010 Era was the best plus the lakers ended that Era with a championship and began with one in 2000 I miss young kobe carrying teams getting robbed for so MVPs, Tracy McGrady doing electric body shit, THE NASTY DETROIT PISTONS SQUAD, Jesus Shuttlesworth, that young LEBRON!!!!, young Heso Melo Jello Favorite Color Yellow! Dwade crazy ass plays and his slashing ass! Steve Francis, Allen Iverson, Shaq trying to murder kobe! Agent 0🔫, Brandon roy clutch ass, VINCE CARTER DUNKAHOLIC ASS!!! Jason Kidd, triple double monster head ass, Yao Ming big tall ass! Dwight Howard gay ass, That Phoenix Suns Squad The Big Ticket, The TRUTH!!!! JASON RICHARDSON!!!! 06 Kobe! Dirk Nowitzki Perfect ass (No Homo) Reggie Miller Old ass, so many more. Oh and chris paul young ass Ron artest crazy drunk ass oh and j.rich ass baron Davis bald head ass
Exactly it's like people don't know those were 80s teams the Pistons lakers celtics were 80s teams but 90s dickriders claim them as part of the 90s also those were 80s Dunk Contest when nique and jordan went at each other and the three point contest today havecurry and klay KD kevin love james harden etc. the last couple years
I grew up watching B'Ball in the 80's, then hardcore in the 90's, and yeah I enjoyed it, and yeah it was different to now, but I would never be so arrogant as to say 'it was better'. It wasn't it was just different. I love what came before, I love what I grew up, and goddam I love what the NBA is NOW! It's part of the beauty of this game! Bring it ALL on, I'll watch it, and love it! And can't wait to see what the future brings! ANother great vid Dom! U always bring your A-GAME!!
i just miss the 2000's because so many teams had a chance to win it. Considering two teams have arguably 7 of the top 20-25 players in the league, and only 3 teams have a legit shot at the championship it makes it less entertaining to me. Even just the late 2000s had the celtics, lakers, cavs, magic, nuggets, spurs, mavs etc. all with a chance to win it all. I miss the star distribution throughout the league, now teams need like 3 all stars to win
Boogie Cousins #MakeNBAFairAgain You couldn't have said it any better. The level of competition has risen, but the distribution of talent is completely unfair
BosnianSkilla he need to do a 94 finals with the Bulls vs the Rockets except the Bulls have Jordan and Rockets don't have Clyde Drexler that year and the 95 finals with the Bulls vs the Rockets except the Bulls don't have Horace Grant and Rockets have Clyde Drexler
Hey guys, so my mind definitely moves a bit faster than I edit sometimes, and I forget you guys aren't inside my head. The video should've probably been talked about as (and called) old school vs modern era so I could've encompassed the last 35 years of basketball, because in part a lot of the things I said about the 90s apply to the 80s as well (hence why you see a lot of 80s clips), and a lot of things people have said about the NBA in the last six years apply to pretty much every year after about 2005 probably. So my bad for naming it 90s (I won't change it now cause TH-cam's algorithms are already being pissy and I don't want to throw this vid off track), however I did want to say this just so you guys have an idea of where my mind was. Thanks!
I say there are more freakish athletes today: Lebron. Westbrook maybe the most athletic point guard of all time. Anthony Davis. Kawhi Leonard. Greek freak. A 6'11 point guard than can pass block shots run like a cheetah, handle the ball, play in the post and dunk. KD. Jimmy butler. Embiid. Griffin. DeAndre Jordan. Cousins. Drummond. White side. Harden. Lillard. Wall. A 7'3 player that can shoot the three, the mid range, go in the post, block shots, can stay with big man and guards in porzingis. Kyrie with his handles. Iggy. Wiggins. Paul George. And I haven't even brought up Simmons, Dunn, derozan, green or Howard.
There are more freakish athletes today. More freakish as in freakishier? I disagree. More as in an increased amount of Freakish athletes. There should be. After all... THERE ARE MORE HUMAN BEINGS ON THE PLANET NOW THAN BEFORE...DUH!! Just because a population doubles doesn't mean the organisms within that populationj are twice as smart as before, twice as strong as before, twice as fast as before. FALLACY. As far as modern technology having improved athletes and made them superior, where's the 8 foot basketball player at?
Not in terms of appearance, but appearance, skill and versatility. Let me ask you have you ever seen some one like lebron, Westbrook, gianis, porzingis, harden or kawhi? No because they can do so many different things.
BBall Griot 8ft players are limited by gravity. Overall players are more athletic today. It's due to their training. Today players also have better nutrition programs. Some players even had the nutty idea to teach their sons how to play. Shaq's son is coming. If Steph was impressive...
shaqs son isnt as good as people think he is. he is very good dont get me wrong but hes like 20th in the nation for his class there are better people to watch out for.
Calling it a weak era doesn't necessarily means disrespect to today's great players. It is overall a weak era because the of the same reason you pointed out: No rivalries, soft fouls, etc It seems like today's kids are mostly focused on 3 pointers and that's why we see the excessive amounts of 3 points attempts from today's players. Players have become soft, Lebron for instance is quick in crying foul instead of keep coming back harder to the basket. The game has changed for sure, I personally don't like that today's players are mostly focused on offense and not so much on defense. In the "old school" era it was rare to see a game past the 100 point mark, let alone 130s on the finals. Players were physical back then and I believe that style of game created the huge rivalries and "hatred" between players. Fragrant fouls back then were for real!
Marcos Cast not exactly true. Showtime Lakers averaged a lot of points back then. Comparable to now. The nuggets with Fat Lever averaged a lot of points, comparable to now. The gave today isn’t weak. I actually think it’s getting better. Coaching is at its weakest though. I would like to see a league with contrasting styles of play and whoever executes the best wins. Whether it’s playing a half court grind it out game or an uptempo fast pace game, I want to see teams work best with their personnel.
@@getitworkalot8096 Lol look at the turnover in today's game with no defense and no hand check.. It's really high.. Players make bad plays like it's nothing.. Reckless play in every game.. How does this mean that today's NBA is better? Lol
Wrong. It's easier to get into the paint because (a) defenders have to defend the three point line more, so are away from the paint more, (b) the hand check is illegal, (c) today's players are largely allowed an extra step after picking up the ball, and (d) carrying is enforced less than ever.
@@gandydancer9710 All four of your points are null. The only reason those defenders are at the 3 point line is because of the increase in the amount of people who can shoot 3 pointers and overall frequency of the shot. The other three points are not even the player's fault
The illegal defense rules were always a stupid gimmick way more than removing hand checking. Every sport controls the level of contact allowed but only the nba in that era said where a player could be in anticipation of the opponents offense.
@@zroysum It was actually because of the 90s physicality of why they had to change the rules. When you block a basketball there is no need pull the guy down with you...it's called excessive contact.
Vitor Hara think about it, compared to the 90's, there is a vast majority of HOF's in the 2000's I can think of in a variety that outmatch the 90's and might still hold up against the 10's
It's hard to argue against the 80's. Some great teams and great players. Back when big men ruled the paint and big men were valued. Even though I like the NBA, today's game is a bunch of players playing a game inside a 3 point contest. 3 pointers have it's place in the game. I just wish it didn't dominate the game as much as it does. I like the all around game of yesterday year. I liked the days when big men, centers and power forwards ruled the paint. I like Steph Curry's long 3's, but I would also like to see teams trying to stop Kareem's skyhook. Or teams trying to stop Shaq's power moves inside.
Yeah, man's game, so your favorite player is probably gonna have a 10 yeah care because of the injury, i also love the big man fighting in the paint, but I also love the 3 pt, ( today there are too much), but anyway within a few years the game will change again, it's natural that if there is a fucking 7 ft in the paint and I'm a guard I'll never go there . The 80s I think they were a bit shitty, just my opinion, a lot of fast breaks, few competitive teams and I wasn't even allowed the complete zone defence, but after all it's just my opinion...
It is totally ridiculous to say current nba players are softer and less good in general than 80s or 90s. Maybe the league is softer but not the players. Lebron James: 6 foot 8 height, 7 foot wingspan, runs faster than big fellas, jumps higher than guards, great scorer at best and a top passer, playmaker and in his prime a great defender. Can dominate the basketball game in multiple different ways, and people say he will be destroyed in 80s and 90s. Lebron to me is the Magic Johnson with more skillsets, if Magic can win 5 rings, give Lebron players like Kareem he can definitely win more. Kevin Durant: 7 foot, 7 foot 6 wingspan, can shoot from anywhere, again quicker than centers and have guards skills. Who the heck can guard him? Honestly do think all these handchecking can bother him he just need to shake and fake and gets by you. Kawhi Leonard: Built like an old school player, 6 foot 7, 7 foot 3 wingspan he has great fundementals great seperations shooting mid-range, just don't see how this guy will be worse in the 80s and 90s. Steph: Can pull up from anywhere. Giannis: Too athletic, too big too strong. A bit lacking in skills but him physically is definitely too overpowering for players even Shaq admitted so. Anthony Davis: A slightly less athletic Giannis with more guard skills and shooting. Even Kareem says if he wants to be a modern player he want to be AD. His guard skills will definitely make older players headache cuz they never met big guys with that much skills. And even some old school arrogant players, like Bird, praises current era, and they are known for either going through rough games or being physical, and they said modern players will do well in 80s and 90s, I just don't get the point why current players aren't as good myth is up there. Also players are human, a player as great as LBJ, KD, Kawhi, Steph, Giannis and AD will definitely adjust their mentality in an era of more rough plays, they will learn to adjust and ultilize their physical advantage better and slightly change the game. I don't see how they will not do well in the 80s and 90s, especially if you put them in great teams.
@@andrewliu111 Good assessment overall with the players. I have to say, however, that the most hurt would be Steph Curry. Yes, he can pull up anywhere, but he'd be played much tighter in the perimeter and pretty much baited to drive every single play. Why? His slight frame would only last so long if he kept taking punishment driving to the basket.
Native Makaveli no it wasn't stop trying to hype it up again. It was not competitive until the end like now. Go back and actually watch some. I used to believe that same bs, but then u have to go look for yourself
Steph Curry The G.O.A.T I swear people have terrible memories I actually go back and watch these games instead of trying to recall games from 20+ years ago when I was still a kid and not fully able to analyze games
New Royal I know and I hate the biased clips where he is showing fouls back then and now. As a Knick fan weren't there times where u felt Jordan would get a call cause he was Michael Jordan
Steph Curry The G.O.A.T of course they did especially in the the mid to late 90s And he'd argue calls just like everyone else and the refs would repay him with bull shit calls later on in the game to make up for it
Im 35 I miss the 80s and 90s ball. I love the rivalries, fights, no banana boats no hanging with each other, no training together. Players looked like grown men and no chucking 50 threes a game. Players got put on their a$$. I miss the old Pistons so fun to watch. You earned that title with pain and hard work. Players today can play a game without ever going inside the 3 point line either on offense or defense because both teams do the same thing. So sad...
Get outta here grandpa. Exaggerating and making things up doesn’t make you right. 80s and 90s players absolutely hung out together. No team unless they have a star sharp shooter(s) is shooting more than 20 threes a game. Watch any Westbrook highlights or Ben Simmons highlights and tell me how you think the mid or short range game is dead. God buddy if you don’t know shit about modern basketball just say it, don’t criticize things you have no knowledge about.
I can't speak on the 90 being better from a technical perspective but it was definitely more exiting. The NBA became popular in countries that don't watch basketball. Nowadays I can't find a single person in my circle that knows more than 1 current player.
Matin Dzhumanov exactly lol, the jazz, supersonics, pacers, heat got stronger. Plus they still had to compete against the knicks, it's crazy they didn't win in the 90/
To properly speak on this, you have to say it correctly, The 80s & 90s. Being that I'm 39, yeah the 80s and 90s in my opinion were better because of better fundamentals, REAL HATED RIVALRIES, and most of all VARIETY and VERSATILITY because of GREAT Cs and PFs(My favorite Positions in Bball). Defenses mattered, and real physicality was acceptable. They play GREAT today, but the past had GREAT PLAYER'S to steal from Apollo Creed.."You Fight Great, but I'm a Great Fighter" Rocky III.
@Black people Eater if KD got Bron. He'll be unstoppable offensively (well he's unstoppable even now). And with the 2v2. They're not even close. KD well defend mj with his 7ft height and his wingspan.
@@geesab5324 you're thinking one way only, offense. Gotta Play defense too buddy. And MJ has more 1st defensive team than those two combined. Oh and I haven't even mentioned Pippen lol. I'm assuming you're a young cat, 16-18 years old, I'm not hating, you only know this generation of ball. MJ and Pippen were the greatest duo offensively and defensively man. In 1988 MJ was MVP, defensive player of the year, lead the league in steals, and scoring champ lol.... Come on homie.
@@SamM-kh2vd MJ and PiPPEN has offense and defense and they are top of NBA not to mention their team work are beyond comparison. these two work together with 6-6 championship. KD and lebron will have a problem defending them. no offense to KD and lebron they are superb when it comes in offensive rating. but defensively MJ and Pippen will eat them alive. MJ don't have weakness. pippen had problem with his clutch shooting. but yet he is one of the best all around player. lebron is a great passer but his weakness he doesn't have low post moves which makes is size a waste. KD is much better player he is a great all around player and a deadly shooter he is not know for his low post but he can deliver it. weakness both KD and lebron is not known for their defensive capability but they can do defense too. in term of skills and talents they are almost equals. what separate mj, pippen to kd, lebron is mentality. you will never see MJ and Pippen quits or stop playing just because everything is not I going on their way. their mentality not to lose to any one. on the other hand KD is also is not quitter but lebron I've seen him quit on his team number of times.so when it come to mentality MJ and Pippen had big edge over KD and Lebron.
LAbron doesn't play in a weak era, in fact I think 2000 era was the most competitive. But the problem is Labron is playing on the weakest Eastern Conference era ever.
I agree with the fact that the 2000's brought in so many HOF and legendary players of a variety then even the 80's and 90's. it wasn't dominated by one man, it was dominated by teams and players of any position. Nash, Kidd, Young CP3 to Kobe, Wade, AI, McGrady to Lebron, Pierce, Melo, Carter to Duncan, Dirk, Garnett, Gasol, Webber to Shaq, Howard, Yao & Ben Wallace.
Vitor Hara Michael Jordan, 6 rings out of 10 years in the 90's, Lebron 3 rings, or should I say, 7 final appearances so far from 2011-2017... what aren't you understanding about this?
Vitor Hara my main argument is why the 2000's is the best is simply because it brought the most competition and best players of different positions out of that era. 2000's is slept on really hard from NBA fans now & analyst.
90s emphasizes defensive tenacity, physicality and offensive prowess to be able to withstand physicality on defense. Today emphasizes play execution, 3 point offense and perimeter defense My verdict: 90s is the best era
@@cheyheyway6244 They're definitely not more skilled now. They just shoot a bunch of 3s. Back then players had to post up, finish, spot up shoot, do man to man defense, learn team defense, and rebound. People had to know their role and perfect it.
@@x-man9473 “tHey jUst sHoOT A bUnCH of 3S” Dude look at the faster pacing, the ft% the, dunks, the finishes, and the shooting and compare with Jordan’s era. Look at the 3 point contest and dunk contest. There are players in Highschool doing more creative dunks than Jordan. The 3 point line was moved back and player are still shooting better. To say the game hasn’t developed since then is completely ridiculous you have to be either slow or stubborn to think that.
@@cheyheyway6244 Like I said, they were more skilled back then. Players are more build up now and shoot 3s better. But the rubbish you're talking about is based off of nonsense you came up with while sitting down at the computer instead of doing actual research.
The best era is the one you started watching. It had the best teams, the best players, and it was without a shadow of a doubt better than the eras other people started watching. And of course the players in the era you started watching were real men, not like those weak kittens in the other eras.
Theres no rivalries today because there's no loyalty. Back in the day it was rare for players to switch teams, especially the superstars of the team. You can't build rivalries when this season you're playing against each other and then next season you're teammates.
Last year's All-Star Weekend was one of the best. The three-point and slam dunk contests definitely killed it! Then the All-Star Game itself started... and it was like watching paint dry. Nearly every play was either a three-pointer or an alley-oop. They all might as well have worn the same jerseys. To everyone who thought that game was exciting to watch; I implore you to check out at least the highlights of the 1990 All-Star Game. There's more to basketball than just lobs and threes.
Speaking of hand-checking can you imagine a guy Lebron's size being able to just push anyone who tries to drive on him? He has the same height and weight as BEN WALLACE and you're gonna try to outmuscle him and drive through him? Please.
wolverineminer is lebron will be big and strong,fast in 80s,90s with out modern days suplements,program practice,modern training like now he is..NO...do you say Barkley who was a Tank,Malone,Shaq,Robinson,Mourning can not beat Lebron??? Pero Antic demolished Lebron with strenght.
wolverineminer add in that rules were incredibly lax about what the offensive player could do, for example, Michael Jordan constantly grabbing and hooking with the off hand on offense, imagine lebron getting to use his off hand to pull himself by defenders
and please defenders in 80s 90s are a joke . slower than my grandma on a wheelchair . no wonder they have to play dirty , cause they can't guard anyone . can't imagine ppl like lebron drose and westbrook blowing by ppl coming in at full speed and pushing off ppl with ur str isn't a foul .
Dom2k needs to be an NBA analyst/commentator or a trial lawyer. Great channel! There are a lot of fundamental differences between the League in the 90's and now. I think the general theme of those changes reflect the changes in our Country. The League is also far ahead of where it was, in the 90's, as an asset. I loved the 90's and I love the game now. Keep the videos coming, Dom.
I think the 90s are better for one reason, actual competition. Now all the superstars just join each other on one team, but back in the day superstars used to compete not play together. We have a better talent pool but we don't have more competition.
This was a very fair video. Great job! I still don't know where I come down. I started watching the NBA in 1989. The Knicks were the prototypical 90's teams. While I don't necessarily love Don Nelson-ball, it was pretty boring watching 82-75 slugfests sometimes. I will bravely take NO position and say they're equally good eras, just different :D
It’s funny how the narrative changes over time which ofc makes sense, the 2010’s was the most talented era ever so far and the game is going to keep evolving players today are just better then back then🤷🏽♂️
@@Velasco-vp1fh lmaoo true. Somehow NBA players got better from the 1960s to the 80s/90s, but haven't improved at all after that (according to those people). 30 years from now, the players will be better than the ones that play today. I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept for people to accept.
puruman 18 why does everyone have this dumbass notion that everything gets better with time 🤦♂️ you sound dumb and hella ignorant players are just more athletic and more skilled defensively Ik you don’t like to hear it but it’s true the game evolves but it doesn’t get better that’s just opinion not fact lol
all because of the rules. imagine players today bigger and stronger doing clothesline underneath it would be a disaster. someone will get seriously hurt
Very easy - Compare dream1 or 2 team vs Team USA from last olympics.... I think its obvious... But then again, this season NBA is coming back big time.
The 1992 Washington Bullets (link below) started a 5'10" 162 pound point guard and a 6'9" 210 pound center. They won 22 freaking games that year. You're either trying to be nice so as not to disrupt your subscriber count or you ate paint chips as a child. How physical can an era be where a 6'0" 170 pound Mark Price is making an all-star team, where a 5'3" 135 pound Mugsy Bogues starts for a team for a freaking decade. Dennis Rodman was a defensive "force" at 6'7" 210 pounds. Patrick Ewing was practically the same height and weight as Kevin Durant. The 98 Jazz had a starting backcourt that consisted of a 37 year old 6'1" 175 pound white point guard (for some odd reason, not one of those even starts in the league today, let alone for a finals team) and a 36 year old 6'3" 190 pound white shooting guard (I think you know what I'm going to say here.) Charles Barkley had to look at the f#*$ing ball to dribble. You talk about shooting threes like it's a bad thing but the 90's were taking plenty of shots too, just stupid midrangers. It's not the 10's fault the 90's were stupid. Go back and actually watch some early 90's playoff basketball, it was horrendous. Don't use your memory to tell me it was awesome because I thought it was awesome while I was watching it too. I also thought the 1993 Camaro was the sh!t and wore a couple baseball jerseys backwards too. www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199212230CHI.html
I think the 90s and 2000s are equal. The only point that you brought up that I totally agreed with that is a flaw of the 2000s is rivalries. Not that Wade and Bron are friends and stuff like that, but team vs team. I'd like it if players would compete as if the other team's players are your worst enemies on court, but off court y'all can be cool. There are so many potential rivalries today that would make the NBA better. So I went to make a list for current rivalries that should happen. Current: Boston Celtics vs Charlotte Hornets. Master mind coaches. Elite PGs. Amazing SGs. Lockdown SFs. Great big men. Amazing benches. How fun would it be to see Kemba Walker and Isaiah Thomas going 100% every time they face each other as if they hate each other. Batum vs Bradley, Crowder vs MKG. Steve Clifford vs Brad Stevens. This would be so fun to see them as rivals. Oklahoma City Thunder vs Houston Rockets. Star power. Offence. Fast pace. Proving who can lead their team further. This rivalry was born to happen. Former teammates with everything to prove. Imagine if they both went 100% as if they hated each other. They're both capable of a 30, 10 and 10 game. This rivalry would be about offence and how fast they play. It would be so fun to see them in a real rivalry. Utah Jazz vs San Antonio Spurs. The old vs new. Master mind coaches. Ball movement. Fundamental basketball. Passing the torch. This rivalry would be fun to see as these 2 teams are the most fundamentally sound teams in the league. It would be like San Antonio passing the torch to Utah. Just beautiful basketball. If you like the 90s you'd love this rivalry. Just defence and ball movement. Toronto Raptors vs Chicago Bulls. Scoring vs Defence. Both teams are in love with mid range jumpers and scoring inside. Both teams have superstar talent. This would be like a poor man's Piston vs Bulls rivalry. If these teams hated each other, we'd have some of the most entertaining basketball of the past decade. Jimmy vs Demar. Lowry vs Rondo. Wade trying to prove he still has it. It would be a great rivalry.
One thing I can comment is that the offense today can sometimes be too dumb for focusing too much on the 3 pt shot where it's a lower percentage shot than a post shot. For example, during a screen and a defensive switch happens where the offensive big man let's say Gobert during the Rockets vs Jazz playoff game is guarded by Tucker and Capella is guarding Mitchell, instead of giving it to the post to take advantage of a 6'3 Tucker guarding a 7'1 Gobert we instead saw a most likely 3 point attempt by Mitchell. The same can be said with Harden instead of giving it to Capella being guarded by a small guard. One of the reason why these two team lose because it was too guard oriented and too much isolation on the 3 point area, they have no post offense except for lob passes and put back shots. If it were during the time of Malone and Olajuwon the first option would be them because their attempt is much nearer to the basket and is a much higher percentage shot, whether you like it or not and these two were elite in the post and inside the 3 pt line jumpers. The zone defense of today wouldn't even matter because there is a gaping hole in the middle because no defensive player can stay there without guarding anyone, else, he will be called for a 3 second defensive violation. The zone defense is not the same with what we see in FIBA. That's why playing zone defense can be most of the time a liability, that's why you see a lot of slashing athletic guards taking advantage of it because the middle shaded area is wide open.
The spacing helps when shooting 3s in volume but those plays you mentioned were just bad plays by mitchell and harden and not necessarily a fault of the offense. Most teams/point guards take advantage of those mismatches down low when they see them.
This era can be summed up easily. The paint is empty and perimeter shooters can't be touched. It's basically zone d floating around the mid and it's pathetic. That alone shows you the type of advantages players have today. It's why the posterized dunk is relatively non existent and 3 point/perimeter shooting has sky rocketed.
The NBA in the 90s was more physical compared to today, there were not even close to as many fouls called back then in the 90s, I don't think players like Lebron or Harden would be as efficient of scorers in the 90s.
NationalBandwagonAssociation ----Yes they would bro. Fouls will soon become free throws so Harden and James could've easily averaged 15-20 free throws the 90's plus with their shooting they would become mini MJs. Plus the 1 on 1 situations like in the video, they could easily muscle players around.
Michael Jordan yes James harden can shoot and he can shoot out of many different situations but part of the reason he shoots so well is because players know he's a triple threat, if you let him drive he'll do that euro step and he has the soft touch to finish, you can't help 1 pass away because you have 3 point threats like Eric Gordon, Trevor ariza and even Patrick Beverly who are efficient shooters. But he still wouldn't be as effective, yes he's a great scorer but he's never averaged over 50% for a season in fg%, and that's in an era where you have guys 6'8 as centers protecting the rim and less physicality. James harden would probably shoot a lot more 3s or mid range shots if he played in the 90s
AMCC4728 that's because less 3s were attempted, and the fouls players got in the 90s were actual fouls, today players absorb the smallest amount of contact and it's a foul, and don't forget about players that sell calls. Flopping has become very popular today and it's allowed many players easy free throws
When the best defensive team in the 2018 season is allowing 99.0 points a game it really shows you how little defense is considered. The NBA is unwatchable until the pkayoffs
At around 7:50 you ask who would be able to guard players like Lebron or Melo with 90's rules. First of all, no one is going to have an easy time guarding any good one on one player regardless of what era's rules you use. If players today were actually allowed to get physical like players were allowed in the 90's then it seems that there really wouldn't be a difference because there is another rule from the 90's that restricts the defense in another way. For example, a Kawhi Leonard would have a much easier time guarding folks if he could hand check and what not but if double teaming is more difficult to pull off then his ability to get more physical due to the rules is nullified because of other rules that come into play. With each set of rules that allows something there is something that those same rules restrict for any given era. Not really a persuasive argument from either side who is arguing for their favorite era in my opinion.
i could go on all day on players who would lock lebron and carmelo up from the 90’s. we not going to act like the 90’s didn’t strive on defense as much as the ‘10s strive on threes. people had to hit the gym and work on their defense. they could ONLY PLAY MAN.
Gagandeep Singh you literally just said useless statements lol. the 90’s are a defensive era. we can hop on a call and discuss how it is. let’s see if you win this debate. :)
I think the 80s was the greatest era in basketball. Lakers, Celtics, Bad Boy Pistons. Jordan and the Bulls were lucky enough not to have a major force to oppose them
Jordan and the bulls faced Karl Malone and John Stockton, Hakeem Olajuwon and the rockets, shaq and Orlando, the bad Boys pistons, how is that no competition
The big men would be waiting on LeBron or any player who burn their man and come to the basket Barkley,Shaq,Robinson,akeem,Ewing or any other big man that would be waiting in the middle to lay the wood...
LeBron at 6'9 270 running faster than barry sanders and lowering his shoulder. Other than clothesline him or hit him with a cheap shot what would they have done. Most of the "defense" people brag about is nothing more than cutting a guys legs from under him while he's in the air or clotheslining him. The bad boy pistons did nothing but cheap shot people. Take that away and what were they? The 04 Pistons were better than the bad boys because they could play suffocating defense without the cheap shit.
Hilarious, if 6 ft 6 220 lbs Michael Jordan could survive then I’m sure 6-8 270 lbs lebron would do fine. If you even care to watch games today you’d notice everytime lebron isos or posts up there’s already a player shadowing the lane to the basket before he has even moved.
The 80's wasn't thug ball too? The defense was nasty back then. In the more modern era it takes skills to play defense you can't just hack dudes. No I'm not talking about 2019 Nba
I’m an old school guy that grew up watching and playing in the 90s. Today’s shooters are incredible even though I’m not a fan of so much iso ball. I call it a weak era not because of the skill necessarily. But because of the lack of physicality and as you said fundamentals. Team fundamentals anyway. You made a case for both eras and I appreciate that. But that feeling of going to the basket and knowing you really earned it was a great feeling. Keep doing the great work.
Short answer: YES, the 90s was waaaaaaaaaaaay better that today's NBA. Hell, even the 80s was waaaaaay better. But, I would say the NBA is starting to get a little better, but it's still a lightweight decade compared to the 90s and 80s....
It is totally ridiculous to say current nba players are softer and less good in general than 80s or 90s. Maybe the league is softer but not the players. Lebron James: 6 foot 8 height, 7 foot wingspan, runs faster than big fellas, jumps higher than guards, great scorer at best and a top passer, playmaker and in his prime a great defender. Can dominate the basketball game in multiple different ways, and people say he will be destroyed in 80s and 90s. Lebron to me is the Magic Johnson with more skillsets, if Magic can win 5 rings, give Lebron players like Kareem he can definitely win more. Kevin Durant: 7 foot, 7 foot 6 wingspan, can shoot from anywhere, again quicker than centers and have guards skills. Who the heck can guard him? Honestly do think all these handchecking can bother him he just need to shake and fake and gets by you. Kawhi Leonard: Built like an old school player, 6 foot 7, 7 foot 3 wingspan he has great fundementals great seperations shooting mid-range, just don't see how this guy will be worse in the 80s and 90s. Steph: Can pull up from anywhere. Giannis: Too athletic, too big too strong. A bit lacking in skills but him physically is definitely too overpowering for players even Shaq admitted so. Anthony Davis: A slightly less athletic Giannis with more guard skills and shooting. Even Kareem says if he wants to be a modern player he want to be AD. His guard skills will definitely make older players headache cuz they never met big guys with that much skills. And even some old school arrogant players, like Bird, praises current era, and they are known for either going through rough games or being physical, and they said modern players will do well in 80s and 90s, I just don't get the point why current players aren't as good myth is up there. Also players are human, a player as great as LBJ, KD, Kawhi, Steph, Giannis and AD will definitely adjust their mentality in an era of more rough plays, they will learn to adjust and ultilize their physical advantage better and slightly change the game. I don't see how they will not do well in the 80s and 90s, especially if you put them in great teams.
No, no they’re not. And most players today can do EVERYTHING. That’s why they add flash like they do. Kd, Lebron, kawhi, Jimmy butler, Kobe Bryant and more. All have basically a perfect game lmaoo they could add style and flash to their games because of that
I like the points you brought up. The big men in the NBA like Embiid, Cousins, Drummond, Porzingis, and Davis will make the game better and more exciting to watch. I'm with you on rivalries. I grew up with these in the late 80s-early 90s like the Celtics-Lakers, Celtics-Pistons, Bulls-Knicks, Bulls-Pistons, and Knicks-Pacers. Back then, the Eastern Conference was a cross between playing basketball and football, while the Western Conference was an all out offensive blitz. The NBA has to step up on these guys playing on the same team. Have all the superstars play on complete separate teams. True about the Clippers. If they had players that are fundamentally sound, they may make it past the second round. The NBA All Star Weekend events are a joke!! The stars should be out there for the events.
True true. Some players now are too one dimensional. All they want to do is dunk. I'd rather watch an NBA full of San Antonio Spurs teams than Clippers teams. Speaking of them, they should move back to San Diego, because they will never get the full attention the Lakers do. Same with the Nets. They should move to Montreal or Vancouver, and get new ownership and management there. They're horrible.
Modern era players might be better then the dream team if they all came together Curry Westbrook Paul Harden Butler or Thompson Lebron KD Kawhi PG13 Anthony Davis Blake Griffin Boogie Karl Drummond or Deandre It would be stacked
Only sure hofs on that list are Curry, Westbrook, Paul, Harden, Lebron, Kd, Kawhi. I would say Ad and PG but they are constantly injury prone and you never know if they could have a career ending injury.
your right that it is why? there are no more supper stars they put what i call 6 men from the 90's and call them good lol im seeing toni kukoc at best,,
Ricky Gill not with the Bulls. Rodman made like 3 all stars all with the Oistons. He played on 4 other teams. I was a huge Rodman fan but he wasn’t the best pf during that time, yea he gave you 15+ rebounds but you had KG, Chris Webber, Malone, Mchale, & Barkley giving you 20+ & 10. Even Bird was putting up those numbers. There were a lot of forwards better than Dennis.
I think the centers nowadays are no way better than the 90s centers, when it come to being as physical and aggressive. But, they are more technical and versatile on the floor. I believe the NBA is soft now, when it come to letting players play physical without all the fouls and 'cry baby' attitudes. But hey, this is my opinion.
imo i feel like the 90s is better but its not by a wide margin teams are smarter now and even though the handcheck rule is gone double teams and zone make up for it .
also feel like kd not getting enough credit for all these shooting big man he was the original 7 footer handling the ball and is still the most complete outta of all them
Dr.CookiesNeedLoveLikeEverthingDoes what does that have to do with the effectiveness of a zone defense? Muggsy Bouges was killing defenses, it's not about height all the time, it's about reading a defense.
YOUR OVERRATING ZONE defense . Everyone who took basketball 101 knows to beat a zone, you ethier have to be a great passing team aka spurs or a great 3 point shooting team aka warriors. the problem with zone is that it impedes drivers/slashers from going to the hoop. the zone is good because it promotes team play. Any way nba still doesnt play real zone with the 3 second violation.
the 90's just had more competition and heart. I think it's jus better athlete's now but they don't have the it factor. it's jus a different game. all love tho at the end of the day
Dats a paddlin It wasn’t that they were chokers, they lost because MJ was that dominant. Any 90’s pundit or all-time player who was active in that era would tell you that.
as I watched Spurs from late 2000's to their final years of being contenders in the early 2010s, they reminded me a lot of 90's basketball. In that, each player had their own skill set and Pop got his players to play at their utmost potential in their skill sets and positions. The ball sharing was something to be greatly admired as each player had a significant role in making their system work as well as it did with Tim Duncan being one of the most superior leaders of a team in NBA history. People talk about the excitement that Jordan brought to the game, we actually have quite a few players like Jordan in regards in creating excitement in games. We have Russell Westbrook, regardless of your thoughts on him of being a team player, their is no denying how fun it is seeing this guy hustle play after play, going after it, etc. and seeing him display powerful attacks and dunks and the will to try to break the opponent guarding him down. He's got like that Charles Barkley attitude of wanting to show his alpha side on you. Dwight Howard in Orlando was always fun to see as he was basically our last Center of a bygone era. Sadly, his mental approach to the game got exposed harshly and since then, we had to wait until the guys you mentioned that have definitely become fun big players to watch. If it weren't for the Golden State +KD transition, and LeBron not being LeBron James, the NBA would be red hot right now in regards in tough competition throughout many games with different sets of teams at each other. Come 2018-2019 season, if the Celtics can afford a healthy run throughout the year and no injury setbacks, and everyone executes the way they are suppose to execute with now Kyrie and and Haywood....it's an exciting thing to think about. Anthony Davis and KAT are going to be even bigger stars at the start of 2020. Things will become even more interesting in regards to what KD's legacy will become if he at some point within 3-4 years decides to leave Golden State and becomes part of a team where he is the sole leader and takes on the responsibility in leading a team where the team must need him around on court to have the team truly gel the way they can, unlike right now where Steph Curry is still the heart of the Golden State that makes everything easier for the rest of the stars and supporting cast. But again, after 2017-2018 season, if LeBron James were to join forces with Sixers or definitely Houston, despite all the talent that the NBA possesses right now, it could just still fall under the category of the top 2 teams, and the rest as just being fodder during the post season.
The only reason I like the 90s more is because they wouldn't call fouls if you held onto a guy's shirt or lightly smacked them shit like that is a flagrant now a days
BosnianSkilla u have to be dumb they didn't call flagrants in the 80s, when they were in their prime(The Pistons) because there was no such thing as a flagrant foul dummy. Flagrants didn't come until 1991 cause Jordan complained to the league about the Pistons. Also hitting someone and it not being called a foul is not defense dummy. So u saying today that when a fight happens they end the game? U are really blinded by nostalgia lol
Void argument. If you look at players who played before and after handchecking being illegal, (Kobe, Pierce, etc.) there is no significant scoring increase and there is even a decrease sometimes. Not only is your point completely invalid but you really think that anyone in the 90s nba could guard Lebron? Or Harden?
One of the other things is that the 90's was all about dethroning the Bulls. Yeah, the Rockets had their repeat, but that's just because of Jordan wanting to play baseball. That made it fun.
The rivalry aspect and physical aspect isn’t the players faults...it’s the refs and the new league rules. They can’t even breathe on each other without techs.
Defense is none existent compared to back in the day. The game today is extra soft. Not to mention you can take 3 frickin steps with the ball and carry the ball. AKA James and others. No good rivalries (teams that hate each other). You have to stack teams to win now (sucks as a fan). I could go on and on. The other thing nobody wants to talk about is that back in the 80's and 90's you had to prove your worth and earn your money. Now you get paid through major endorsements and big contracts before you even hit the NBA floor. You are unproven and making tons of money. So what is your incentive to play your best basketball and get better? And what is this hanging out at your opponents house the night before you play against him and his team stuff? I mean seriously! What a joke! Could you imagine Charles Barkley hanging with Rick Mahorn at Rick Mahorn's house before the 76'ers / Pistons game? Good Lord!!!
@Dats a paddlin I agree to a degree some defensive players in the 80s and 90s were actually good defenders but average defenders of the past wouldnt do good in todays game yeah i agree except that part and im just saying it was way harder to score because players could seriously do that to you slam you and handcheck and shit
It's crazy evolution in basketball goes backwards players today are smaller, slower, weaker. They just don't play basketball like they used to, guys in the 40's would've destroyed everyone
the best era was the 1890s of course, no backboards were lit
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_skips _ back when they called it bucketball.. young whippersnappers don know shit about that
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Shit was harder then. You could only dribble once. These young bloods wouldn't stand a chance back then lol
So much truth in these comments meng!
The 1930s Era was the best 👌👌👌🤘🏀
Lmao underrated comment
Super Hi-Fi Thank you, young man.
Idk man, the 20s were pretty nice too tho...
Creative Concoctions I would have agreed with you, but they played the pussies. Back when I played, we played like real men.
personally I think the 2000-2010 Era was the best plus the lakers ended that Era with a championship and began with one in 2000 I miss young kobe carrying teams getting robbed for so MVPs, Tracy McGrady doing electric body shit, THE NASTY DETROIT PISTONS SQUAD, Jesus Shuttlesworth, that young LEBRON!!!!, young Heso Melo Jello Favorite Color Yellow! Dwade crazy ass plays and his slashing ass! Steve Francis, Allen Iverson, Shaq trying to murder kobe! Agent 0🔫, Brandon roy clutch ass, VINCE CARTER DUNKAHOLIC ASS!!! Jason Kidd, triple double monster head ass, Yao Ming big tall ass! Dwight Howard gay ass, That Phoenix Suns Squad The Big Ticket, The TRUTH!!!! JASON RICHARDSON!!!! 06 Kobe! Dirk Nowitzki Perfect ass (No Homo) Reggie Miller Old ass, so many more.
My favorite era is the 2000’s because it was a combination of the 90’s and the 10’s, I also grew up watching it.
This is facts. LeBron has had to match up with Kevin Durant, Paul Pierce, Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, Kobe Bryant, and Carmelo Anthony. All in their primes.
What guards did Michael face in the 90s? Drexler, and who else? Hardaway? Richmond? He was the only truly great perimeter player in that era...
Erik Lerström You think that if you put Isiah Thomas, Michael Jordan, Bird, and Rodman together with no center they wouldn't dominate? It's just the build of the team.
And don't you remember those 80s Nuggets teams that would finish right next to LA every year leading the league in scoring and played no defense? They had no center.
Act like SA, LAC, and OKC weren't contending with two solid physical big men. Unfair comparison.
The fact is Jordan had to face more winning teams on his title runs. En route to the Finals Jordan faced and beat 3 60+ winning teams in the eastern conference (Orlando, NY and Miami) and he faced and beat 4 60+ winning teams for the championship (Suns, Seattle and Utah 2x). So that's 7 60+ winning teams Jordan had to deal with. Whereas LeBron only had to deal with 5. He faced and beat 2 60+ winning teams en route to the Finals (Bulls and Hawks) and has faced 3 60+winning teams in the Finals (Spurs and Warriors 2x) and only beat 1 (2016 Warriors). So it's not like Jordan was dealing with less competition than LeBron.
dan t John Stockton Reggie Miller Gary Payton
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So the 2012 OKC with KD, Westbrook and Harden(47W in a lockout year) or the 2013 SAS( 58W ) weren't wining teams?
gtfo KD, Westbrook and Harden are now all top5 players and the Spurs are dominating for 2 decades. Let me remind you that in 2007 LeBron was just 22 and caried a team of scrubs to the finals where he got beaten by the Spurs in their prime.
Oh, and one more thing... How many 70+W teams did Jordan beat?
*Things I needed to include in the part about the zone*
So technically, yes, zones by rule weren't allowed in the 90s, however they still did happen, as I found footage of Jordan saying a team went into a zone (and I read other accounts of coaches saying they couldn't call it a zone but that's what they were playing).
Regardless, illegal defense was still called in those cases and they weren't supposed to do it, so just like most rules in the NBA, it was an imperfect system that could be cheated.
Also, I wasn't trying to imply that the rule made 90's defense weak, I was simply acknowledging that just how players today may have a disadvantage against physical D; they may also have an advantage with Iso ball, especially when you consider that with teams today, a defense having to fully double team the star would surely lead to an open three for someone.
What is your opinion on the video? Is this a weak era? Were the 90s better?
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Dom2k what about michael jordan lebron had to faced with him a few times
Dom2k thanks for actually mentioning the big man in the league, because many "NBA fans" practically forget that NBA big men carry a team even today. The warriors are a perfect example, because they have no really good big men and are completely destroyed in the paint.
Dom2k Nice video man I grew up in the 90's so I have had the luck of being able to have watched both eras and I think the biggest issue that you pointed out was the spreading of talent around the league there were just so many interesting teams to watch back then
Bulls MJ and Pippen
Jazz Stockton and Malone
Spurs The Admiral
Knicks Ewing and Starks
Sonics Payton and Kemp
Blazers Drexler and Smith
Charlotte LJ and Mourning
Warriors Run TMC
Pacers had Reggie and Mark Jackson
Phoenix had Barkley and Kevin Johnson
Magic Shaq and Penny
And I'm sure if missed many more Hakeem and Grant Hill just sprang to mind that's 13 teams off the dome that if we had league pass back then we would have tuned into
Today I can only watch a few games like you said and this whole superteams thing is horrible for the league the players today are just as fun to watch as those back in the 90's but the spread of talent is horrible and needs to be addressed
"we lost Kobe Bryant" has a different meaning now...not just retiring from the NBA...
Ight cool nigga was gonna die either way
I am not jumping to see the bucks playing....
@@frogyparra4645 lol whats the point of what you are saying? everyone is gonna die someday no body lives forever of course. but he was 40yo and could live another 40 years and his daughter even worse could love up to like 60-70 more years...you could argue that kobe had a full life (didnt get to raise all his daughters tho) but gianna had the whole life in front of her...smh with those answers gtfoh
George Thanop oh really whit all that helicópter rides sure there was never gonna be a accident
@@frogyparra4645 just for that when you die Kobe dropping 81 on u 💀
The 90's era was like a game of Chess. Tough minded players, that played tough physical defense. The style of play was more of a strategic half court game, something i miss from the modern era. Today's era is like Checkers. Players play less defense, but a faster style of play that relies mostly shooting 3's all night long. They're both entertaining to watch but you can see the difference.
SugarBear I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. The game today is played with much more tact and strategy. The game of the 80s and 90s was more physical and above the rim. You didn't have players like CP3 and Rondo and Green calling out sets on the court and acting like an extension of the coach. The modern era may be a less physical game than the past but its definitely more of a strategic game than ever in the NBAs history.
Nicholas Mays I disagree. Magic, Stockton, Kevin Johnson, Zeke, Mark Price, GP and Kidd weren’t exactly picking their noses.
big quillie this is pretty false up until recently contracts were like forever. So guys couldn’t just jump but they forced trades like Barkley, Drexler, Kareem, Aguirre. If Reggie could of left he would of. I mean in the early 00’s contracts were shortened to like 7 years... 7 years? That’s almost the players primes. 90’s were better for a lot of things but not because of player movement. If your team did their job why leave? Why would Magic leave a team where he played with about 5 or 6 HOFs? Why would Bird leave after playing with 6 HOFs? But I could understand LBJ in ‘10. Cleveland didn’t try. Or KD witnessing OKC trade Harden for nothing but allowed RW to play out of control. Or watch OKC trade Jeff Green for Perkins. Shorter contracts is good for the league. It out pressure on the gms.
I mean Tristsn Thompson over Klay? Rubio & Flynn over Steph & Demar?
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SugarBear more physical isn’t better. I can stop great scorers by pushing/shoving them. It’s harder to play defense without fouling and going for the ball. Plus they expected almost everyone to go for a mid range or a drive. More 1 on 1 ISO’s which goes back to Dom’s point in the video
No hand checks but more athletic players, help defense, and sophisticated schemes
Dr.CookiesNeedLoveLikeEverthingDoes true but that's easy to get around if you're smart and/or mobile
fundamentals > athleticism
but ironically enough, the average players iso game is not better today
Dr.CookiesNeedLoveLikeEverthingDoes Tom Thibs taught KG how to get around that by staying in the paint for 2.9 (roughly) seconds, hopping out, and back in. Something more teams could teach that's how he anchored Celtics defense sometimes in 08.
Dr.CookiesNeedLoveLikeEverthingDoes Yeah I agree, AD waiting around in the paint would be a nightmare for people driving.
"Was the NBA really better in the 90s" *has a picture from the '80s as thumbnail*
You should've titled it "old school vs new school". Cause you showed a lot of '80s footage as well.
He commented that he forgot to put old school vs new school instead of 90’s vs new school
the 80s was better than 90s to me 90s was watered down too many teams not enough talent due to expansion early 2000s was better than 80s and now it’s just the style sucks chuck up 3s
That’s a lie wit the fouls tho that’s more 80s than 90
It is totally ridiculous to say current nba players are softer and less good in general than 80s or 90s. Maybe the league is softer but not the players.
Lebron James: 6 foot 8 height, 7 foot wingspan, runs faster than big fellas, jumps higher than guards, great scorer at best and a top passer, playmaker and in his prime a great defender. Can dominate the basketball game in multiple different ways, and people say he will be destroyed in 80s and 90s. Lebron to me is the Magic Johnson with more skillsets, if Magic can win 5 rings, give Lebron players like Kareem he can definitely win more.
Kevin Durant: 7 foot, 7 foot 6 wingspan, can shoot from anywhere, again quicker than centers and have guards skills. Who the heck can guard him? Honestly do think all these handchecking can bother him he just need to shake and fake and gets by you.
Kawhi Leonard: Built like an old school player, 6 foot 7, 7 foot 3 wingspan he has great fundementals great seperations shooting mid-range, just don't see how this guy will be worse in the 80s and 90s.
Steph: Can pull up from anywhere.
Giannis: Too athletic, too big too strong. A bit lacking in skills but him physically is definitely too overpowering for players even Shaq admitted so.
Anthony Davis: A slightly less athletic Giannis with more guard skills and shooting. Even Kareem says if he wants to be a modern player he want to be AD. His guard skills will definitely make older players headache cuz they never met big guys with that much skills.
And even some old school arrogant players, like Bird, praises current era, and they are known for either going through rough games or being physical, and they said modern players will do well in 80s and 90s, I just don't get the point why current players aren't as good myth is up there. Also players are human, a player as great as LBJ, KD, Kawhi, Steph, Giannis and AD will definitely adjust their mentality in an era of more rough plays, they will learn to adjust and ultilize their physical advantage better and slightly change the game. I don't see how they will not do well in the 80s and 90s, especially if you put them in great teams.
Everybody is gonna like what they grew up with. It's just natural bias.
Landre Snyder
It's true. You remember what you watched as a kid as being the best.
Landre Snyder exactly. Like I see D roses mvp year as way better than nearly any point gaurds best year. Even thought a lot of people disagree
I'm 14 and I know today is more talented but the NBA was more fun and competitive back then. These days, people are already saying AD and D Booker should leave to go to a better team! Wtf?!!? Stars in the 90s actually cared about loyalty and their fans, if you think Ewing would leave to go to the bulls to get a chip or Miller would go to the lakers just to go for a chip I have a igloo in Mexico to sell you
THANK YOU! That's what I've been sayin.
exactly i like the 00s'
He kept showing 80's clips for the hard fouls not the 90,s
Kyle Prue exactly what I was thinking, same thing on the rivalries too.
personally I think the 2000-2010 Era was the best plus the lakers ended that Era with a championship and began with one in 2000 I miss young kobe carrying teams getting robbed for so MVPs, Tracy McGrady doing electric body shit, THE NASTY DETROIT PISTONS SQUAD, Jesus Shuttlesworth, that young LEBRON!!!!, young Heso Melo Jello Favorite Color Yellow! Dwade crazy ass plays and his slashing ass! Steve Francis, Allen Iverson, Shaq trying to murder kobe! Agent 0🔫, Brandon roy clutch ass, VINCE CARTER DUNKAHOLIC ASS!!! Jason Kidd, triple double monster head ass, Yao Ming big tall ass! Dwight Howard gay ass, That Phoenix Suns Squad The Big Ticket, The TRUTH!!!! JASON RICHARDSON!!!! 06 Kobe! Dirk Nowitzki Perfect ass (No Homo) Reggie Miller Old ass, so many more. Oh and chris paul young ass Ron artest crazy drunk ass oh and j.rich ass baron Davis bald head ass
+KillaBoy 28 you hell 😂😂
JB SUPREME huh?
Exactly it's like people don't know those were 80s teams the Pistons lakers celtics were 80s teams but 90s dickriders claim them as part of the 90s also those were 80s Dunk Contest when nique and jordan went at each other and the three point contest today havecurry and klay KD kevin love james harden etc. the last couple years
I grew up watching B'Ball in the 80's, then hardcore in the 90's, and yeah I enjoyed it, and yeah it was different to now, but I would never be so arrogant as to say 'it was better'. It wasn't it was just different. I love what came before, I love what I grew up, and goddam I love what the NBA is NOW! It's part of the beauty of this game! Bring it ALL on, I'll watch it, and love it! And can't wait to see what the future brings! ANother great vid Dom! U always bring your A-GAME!!
i just miss the 2000's because so many teams had a chance to win it. Considering two teams have arguably 7 of the top 20-25 players in the league, and only 3 teams have a legit shot at the championship it makes it less entertaining to me. Even just the late 2000s had the celtics, lakers, cavs, magic, nuggets, spurs, mavs etc. all with a chance to win it all. I miss the star distribution throughout the league, now teams need like 3 all stars to win
Michael Goldman True
Boogie Cousins #MakeNBAFairAgain You couldn't have said it any better. The level of competition has risen, but the distribution of talent is completely unfair
Sorry but those are terrible comparisons. Are you really comparing a Nuggets team with Carmelo and Billups to the Hawks?
Suns-Exciting team with no real claim on the title= Clippers
nope
You should do a 2k Scenario of if Jordan never played basketball, see what teams win throughout the 90s
If jordan never played basketball lebron kobe or magic or larry or Tim is easily the goat or wilt or Kareem and Kareem is the goat
KillaBoy 28 your grammar is the GOAT
BosnianSkilla he need to do a 94 finals with the Bulls vs the Rockets except the Bulls have Jordan and Rockets don't have Clyde Drexler that year and the 95 finals with the Bulls vs the Rockets except the Bulls don't have Horace Grant and Rockets have Clyde Drexler
BosnianSkilla that's a Mike Korzemba video 😂
BosnianSkilla duncan all the way
MJ is so great that haters are saying he played in a weak era.
Nah, people say that about this passed era. Which is bs
Who said that? Ive literally never heard that before. Ive actually hear people saying he played in a more physical era more than ever
Hey guys,
so my mind definitely moves a bit faster than I edit sometimes, and I forget you guys aren't inside my head.
The video should've probably been talked about as (and called) old school vs modern era so I could've encompassed the last 35 years of basketball, because in part a lot of the things I said about the 90s apply to the 80s as well (hence why you see a lot of 80s clips), and a lot of things people have said about the NBA in the last six years apply to pretty much every year after about 2005 probably.
So my bad for naming it 90s (I won't change it now cause TH-cam's algorithms are already being pissy and I don't want to throw this vid off track), however I did want to say this just so you guys have an idea of where my mind was. Thanks!
Dom2k what about the 2000s
You did very well
Boy Stop I touched on that a bit with all the players Lebron has competed against, a lot of their primes were before 2010.
90s all the way jordam, barkley robinson hakeem and dom2k
porzingod is 7'3
I say there are more freakish athletes today: Lebron. Westbrook maybe the most athletic point guard of all time. Anthony Davis. Kawhi Leonard. Greek freak. A 6'11 point guard than can pass block shots run like a cheetah, handle the ball, play in the post and dunk. KD. Jimmy butler. Embiid. Griffin. DeAndre Jordan. Cousins. Drummond. White side. Harden. Lillard. Wall. A 7'3 player that can shoot the three, the mid range, go in the post, block shots, can stay with big man and guards in porzingis. Kyrie with his handles. Iggy. Wiggins. Paul George. And I haven't even brought up Simmons, Dunn, derozan, green or Howard.
There are more freakish athletes today. More freakish as in freakishier? I disagree. More as in an increased amount of Freakish athletes. There should be. After all... THERE ARE MORE HUMAN BEINGS ON THE PLANET NOW THAN BEFORE...DUH!! Just because a population doubles doesn't mean the organisms within that populationj are twice as smart as before, twice as strong as before, twice as fast as before. FALLACY. As far as modern technology having improved athletes and made them superior, where's the 8 foot basketball player at?
Not in terms of appearance, but appearance, skill and versatility. Let me ask you have you ever seen some one like lebron, Westbrook, gianis, porzingis, harden or kawhi? No because they can do so many different things.
Porzingis Can Nail 3 Pointers All Day If Left Unguarded He's Not Afraid To Go To It
BBall Griot 8ft players are limited by gravity. Overall players are more athletic today. It's due to their training. Today players also have better nutrition programs. Some players even had the nutty idea to teach their sons how to play. Shaq's son is coming. If Steph was impressive...
shaqs son isnt as good as people think he is. he is very good dont get me wrong but hes like 20th in the nation for his class there are better people to watch out for.
Calling it a weak era doesn't necessarily means disrespect to today's great players. It is overall a weak era because the of the same reason you pointed out:
No rivalries, soft fouls, etc
It seems like today's kids are mostly focused on 3 pointers and that's why we see the excessive amounts of 3 points attempts from today's players.
Players have become soft, Lebron for instance is quick in crying foul instead of keep coming back harder to the basket.
The game has changed for sure, I personally don't like that today's players are mostly focused on offense and not so much on defense. In the "old school" era it was rare to see a game past the 100 point mark, let alone 130s on the finals. Players were physical back then and I believe that style of game created the huge rivalries and "hatred" between players.
Fragrant fouls back then were for real!
You got in down brother. Old school Knicks vs Bulls playoffs games were nuts.
Marcos Cast not exactly true. Showtime Lakers averaged a lot of points back then. Comparable to now. The nuggets with Fat Lever averaged a lot of points, comparable to now. The gave today isn’t weak. I actually think it’s getting better. Coaching is at its weakest though. I would like to see a league with contrasting styles of play and whoever executes the best wins. Whether it’s playing a half court grind it out game or an uptempo fast pace game, I want to see teams work best with their personnel.
Get It! Work A Lot! I disagree with your opinion.
@@getitworkalot8096 Lol look at the turnover in today's game with no defense and no hand check.. It's really high.. Players make bad plays like it's nothing.. Reckless play in every game.. How does this mean that today's NBA is better? Lol
What are you talking about the games back than were very high scoring and would usually pass the 100 point mark
Basically people are expecting some kind of a brawl every game.
Is that even bball? Because no a brawl takes like ZERO SKILL
Of course, What's that have to do with hard fouls?
No people want players to be able to talk trash and taunt without getting ejected.
Vol deMort yeah that was good defence back then see someone in the paint slam them repeat you win dpoy
No shit, no wonder whenever Hockey gets my attention, it's only when the fights are happening or rarely a top ten sports center play.
You also gotta keep in mind, the reason 3s started increasing is becuz the zone defenses became legal and made it harder to get into the paint
Wrong. It's easier to get into the paint because (a) defenders have to defend the three point line more, so are away from the paint more, (b) the hand check is illegal, (c) today's players are largely allowed an extra step after picking up the ball, and (d) carrying is enforced less than ever.
@@gandydancer9710 All four of your points are null. The only reason those defenders are at the 3 point line is because of the increase in the amount of people who can shoot 3 pointers and overall frequency of the shot. The other three points are not even the player's fault
Removing handchecking and adding a defensive 3 seconds in the key rule destroyed basketball.
youre probably 8 years old
The illegal defense rules were always a stupid gimmick way more than removing hand checking. Every sport controls the level of contact allowed but only the nba in that era said where a player could be in anticipation of the opponents offense.
it might be interesting to experiment of getting rid of defensive 3 seconds like during the preseason to see if it has any affect
@@zroysum It was actually because of the 90s physicality of why they had to change the rules. When you block a basketball there is no need pull the guy down with you...it's called excessive contact.
Nah it just means you have to actually be skilled
I used to hate Lebron as a kid too, but came to appreciate his game later.
ADAJ3 I use to love him but now I don't like him
Keondre Traylor how come bro?
triggered i mean i still like him but he uninteresting to me now. Idk why tho.
Keondre Traylor I guess he's not as fun to watch as say Westbrook or Harden
Sachin Johri But you gotta admit LeBron is awesome to watch in the playoffs and finals
the 2000s era is slept on so hard
2000s era had some of the best defenses
The 2000's era wasn't dominated by one man, it was dominated by teams (The Lakers, Spurs, Celtics, Pistons, Heat, Run n Gun Suns w/o a ring)
Vitor Hara I'm saying this to praise on why I believe the 2000's in my opinion is the best era of the NBA so far.
Vitor Hara think about it, compared to the 90's, there is a vast majority of HOF's in the 2000's I can think of in a variety that outmatch the 90's and might still hold up against the 10's
Vitor Hara ok, I was just trying to make it clear.
The 80's was the best era in nba.the bird-magic rivalry really change the pace of the game.more serious and physical..truly the real men's game.
It's hard to argue against the 80's. Some great teams and great players. Back when big men ruled the paint and big men were valued. Even though I like the NBA, today's game is a bunch of players playing a game inside a 3 point contest. 3 pointers have it's place in the game. I just wish it didn't dominate the game as much as it does. I like the all around game of yesterday year. I liked the days when big men, centers and power forwards ruled the paint. I like Steph Curry's long 3's, but I would also like to see teams trying to stop Kareem's skyhook. Or teams trying to stop Shaq's power moves inside.
Yeah, man's game, so your favorite player is probably gonna have a 10 yeah care because of the injury, i also love the big man fighting in the paint, but I also love the 3 pt, ( today there are too much), but anyway within a few years the game will change again, it's natural that if there is a fucking 7 ft in the paint and I'm a guard I'll never go there .
The 80s I think they were a bit shitty, just my opinion, a lot of fast breaks, few competitive teams and I wasn't even allowed the complete zone defence, but after all it's just my opinion...
It is totally ridiculous to say current nba players are softer and less good in general than 80s or 90s. Maybe the league is softer but not the players.
Lebron James: 6 foot 8 height, 7 foot wingspan, runs faster than big fellas, jumps higher than guards, great scorer at best and a top passer, playmaker and in his prime a great defender. Can dominate the basketball game in multiple different ways, and people say he will be destroyed in 80s and 90s. Lebron to me is the Magic Johnson with more skillsets, if Magic can win 5 rings, give Lebron players like Kareem he can definitely win more.
Kevin Durant: 7 foot, 7 foot 6 wingspan, can shoot from anywhere, again quicker than centers and have guards skills. Who the heck can guard him? Honestly do think all these handchecking can bother him he just need to shake and fake and gets by you.
Kawhi Leonard: Built like an old school player, 6 foot 7, 7 foot 3 wingspan he has great fundementals great seperations shooting mid-range, just don't see how this guy will be worse in the 80s and 90s.
Steph: Can pull up from anywhere.
Giannis: Too athletic, too big too strong. A bit lacking in skills but him physically is definitely too overpowering for players even Shaq admitted so.
Anthony Davis: A slightly less athletic Giannis with more guard skills and shooting. Even Kareem says if he wants to be a modern player he want to be AD. His guard skills will definitely make older players headache cuz they never met big guys with that much skills.
And even some old school arrogant players, like Bird, praises current era, and they are known for either going through rough games or being physical, and they said modern players will do well in 80s and 90s, I just don't get the point why current players aren't as good myth is up there. Also players are human, a player as great as LBJ, KD, Kawhi, Steph, Giannis and AD will definitely adjust their mentality in an era of more rough plays, they will learn to adjust and ultilize their physical advantage better and slightly change the game. I don't see how they will not do well in the 80s and 90s, especially if you put them in great teams.
@@andrewliu111 bro compared to Jordan Lebron is a soft player, Jordan is as hardcore as they come
@@andrewliu111 Good assessment overall with the players. I have to say, however, that the most hurt would be Steph Curry. Yes, he can pull up anywhere, but he'd be played much tighter in the perimeter and pretty much baited to drive every single play. Why? His slight frame would only last so long if he kept taking punishment driving to the basket.
How do you barely have over 50k subs? You deserve WAAAAAYYYY more
The all stars games were actually competitive in the 90's. Guys don't really take it seriously anymore.
Native Makaveli no it wasn't stop trying to hype it up again. It was not competitive until the end like now. Go back and actually watch some. I used to believe that same bs, but then u have to go look for yourself
Steph Curry The G.O.A.T I swear people have terrible memories I actually go back and watch these games instead of trying to recall games from 20+ years ago when I was still a kid and not fully able to analyze games
New Royal I know and I hate the biased clips where he is showing fouls back then and now. As a Knick fan weren't there times where u felt Jordan would get a call cause he was Michael Jordan
Steph Curry The G.O.A.T of course they did especially in the the mid to late 90s
And he'd argue calls just like everyone else and the refs would repay him with bull shit calls later on in the game to make up for it
The games were actually watchable, now they are wack af. So stop fronting like they ain't.
Im 35 I miss the 80s and 90s ball. I love the rivalries, fights, no banana boats no hanging with each other, no training together. Players looked like grown men and no chucking 50 threes a game. Players got put on their a$$. I miss the old Pistons so fun to watch. You earned that title with pain and hard work. Players today can play a game without ever going inside the 3 point line either on offense or defense because both teams do the same thing. So sad...
That's all no true, they hanged out together and trained together too
Get outta here grandpa. Exaggerating and making things up doesn’t make you right. 80s and 90s players absolutely hung out together. No team unless they have a star sharp shooter(s) is shooting more than 20 threes a game. Watch any Westbrook highlights or Ben Simmons highlights and tell me how you think the mid or short range game is dead. God buddy if you don’t know shit about modern basketball just say it, don’t criticize things you have no knowledge about.
I can't speak on the 90 being better from a technical perspective but it was definitely more exiting. The NBA became popular in countries that don't watch basketball. Nowadays I can't find a single person in my circle that knows more than 1 current player.
90s NBA only got stronger after MJ's temporary retirement. It gave time for the NBA to regain it's intensity between teams
Matin Dzhumanov exactly lol, the jazz, supersonics, pacers, heat got stronger. Plus they still had to compete against the knicks, it's crazy they didn't win in the 90/
Meechy Merc Em they had to contend with a young Tim Duncan + David Robinson when they finally made it. That kind of sucks.
VictorShephard The Knicks actually made the finals right after Jordan 1st retirement in the 93-94 season.
To properly speak on this, you have to say it correctly, The 80s & 90s. Being that I'm 39, yeah the 80s and 90s in my opinion were better because of better fundamentals, REAL HATED RIVALRIES, and most of all VARIETY and VERSATILITY because of GREAT Cs and PFs(My favorite Positions in Bball). Defenses mattered, and real physicality was acceptable. They play GREAT today, but the past had GREAT PLAYER'S to steal from Apollo Creed.."You Fight Great, but I'm a Great Fighter" Rocky III.
I find 2000 to 2010 the best decade in NBA history.
AngelSurge SSX Iverson, Kobe, Shaq, Wade,Duncan, KG, Dirk, Kidd, Nash, Pierce, TMac,Vince Carter, crazy time man..
AngelSurge SSX you mean 2000 -09 ? 2010 was the start of a new decade
ADAJ3 a decade is 10 years dude...
AngelSurge SSX he's including 99-00, since that is the start of a new decade
your either a laker fan or spurs fan. lol I guess if you were one of those.
Your videos really make me think man...
Pippen and MJ could cover everyone you said one on one. Easily.
Sameer Mehta KD? Lebron? Kobe?
@Black people Eater 2 on 2, I'll pick KD and bron
@Black people Eater if KD got Bron. He'll be unstoppable offensively (well he's unstoppable even now). And with the 2v2. They're not even close. KD well defend mj with his 7ft height and his wingspan.
@@geesab5324 you're thinking one way only, offense. Gotta Play defense too buddy. And MJ has more 1st defensive team than those two combined. Oh and I haven't even mentioned Pippen lol.
I'm assuming you're a young cat, 16-18 years old, I'm not hating, you only know this generation of ball. MJ and Pippen were the greatest duo offensively and defensively man. In 1988 MJ was MVP, defensive player of the year, lead the league in steals, and scoring champ lol.... Come on homie.
@@SamM-kh2vd MJ and PiPPEN has offense and defense and they are top of NBA not to mention their team work are beyond comparison. these two work together with 6-6 championship. KD and lebron will have a problem defending them. no offense to KD and lebron they are superb when it comes in offensive rating. but defensively MJ and Pippen will eat them alive. MJ don't have weakness. pippen had problem with his clutch shooting. but yet he is one of the best all around player. lebron is a great passer but his weakness he doesn't have low post moves which makes is size a waste. KD is much better player he is a great all around player and a deadly shooter he is not know for his low post but he can deliver it. weakness both KD and lebron is not known for their defensive capability but they can do defense too. in term of skills and talents they are almost equals. what separate mj, pippen to kd, lebron is mentality. you will never see MJ and Pippen quits or stop playing just because everything is not I going on their way. their mentality not to lose to any one. on the other hand KD is also is not quitter but lebron I've seen him quit on his team number of times.so when it come to mentality MJ and Pippen had big edge over KD and Lebron.
LAbron doesn't play in a weak era, in fact I think 2000 era was the most competitive. But the problem is Labron is playing on the weakest Eastern Conference era ever.
Agreed
who the hell is LAbron?
I agree with the fact that the 2000's brought in so many HOF and legendary players of a variety then even the 80's and 90's. it wasn't dominated by one man, it was dominated by teams and players of any position. Nash, Kidd, Young CP3 to Kobe, Wade, AI, McGrady to Lebron, Pierce, Melo, Carter to Duncan, Dirk, Garnett, Gasol, Webber to Shaq, Howard, Yao & Ben Wallace.
Vitor Hara Michael Jordan, 6 rings out of 10 years in the 90's, Lebron 3 rings, or should I say, 7 final appearances so far from 2011-2017... what aren't you understanding about this?
Vitor Hara my main argument is why the 2000's is the best is simply because it brought the most competition and best players of different positions out of that era. 2000's is slept on really hard from NBA fans now & analyst.
Do a video on why why the 2015 NBA draft class could become one of the best NBA draft classes of all time.
Dorian Gore Yes I think it has the potential to
90s emphasizes defensive tenacity, physicality and offensive prowess to be able to withstand physicality on defense.
Today emphasizes play execution, 3 point offense and perimeter defense
My verdict: 90s is the best era
Players are a lot more skilled now I don’t think you factored that in.
@@cheyheyway6244 couldnt disagree with that one bro
@@cheyheyway6244 They're definitely not more skilled now. They just shoot a bunch of 3s. Back then players had to post up, finish, spot up shoot, do man to man defense, learn team defense, and rebound. People had to know their role and perfect it.
@@x-man9473 “tHey jUst sHoOT A bUnCH of 3S” Dude look at the faster pacing, the ft% the, dunks, the finishes, and the shooting and compare with Jordan’s era. Look at the 3 point contest and dunk contest. There are players in Highschool doing more creative dunks than Jordan. The 3 point line was moved back and player are still shooting better.
To say the game hasn’t developed since then is completely ridiculous you have to be either slow or stubborn to think that.
@@cheyheyway6244 Like I said, they were more skilled back then. Players are more build up now and shoot 3s better. But the rubbish you're talking about is based off of nonsense you came up with while sitting down at the computer instead of doing actual research.
The best era is the one you started watching. It had the best teams, the best players, and it was without a shadow of a doubt better than the eras other people started watching. And of course the players in the era you started watching were real men, not like those weak kittens in the other eras.
The most competitive era: the 70s decade. 8 diff champs in one decade.
90s: Most skilled era
00s: most talented collective.
Stupid
70s was the weakest era
00s weren't the most talented
😂😂😂
@Black people Eater 2010s is no where near as athletic as the 2000s. That narrative needs to die.
Theres no rivalries today because there's no loyalty. Back in the day it was rare for players to switch teams, especially the superstars of the team. You can't build rivalries when this season you're playing against each other and then next season you're teammates.
Lol title virgins Moses Malone and Dr J teamed up to win a title in 83
1999 - 2010 best years of the NBA in my opinion
Last year's All-Star Weekend was one of the best. The three-point and slam dunk contests definitely killed it! Then the All-Star Game itself started... and it was like watching paint dry. Nearly every play was either a three-pointer or an alley-oop. They all might as well have worn the same jerseys. To everyone who thought that game was exciting to watch; I implore you to check out at least the highlights of the 1990 All-Star Game. There's more to basketball than just lobs and threes.
9:45 DR J triple right hand on Larry Bird's face is just GOLD
in this channel im learning more and more than sitting in school for 8 hours. By the way this is a joke....
Jlew425 Bruh I'm watching these vids in school
Same
YakaSmak LMAOOOOO
+YakaSmak ohh shit
Ya going to ball school or what ?
Speaking of hand-checking can you imagine a guy Lebron's size being able to just push anyone who tries to drive on him? He has the same height and weight as BEN WALLACE and you're gonna try to outmuscle him and drive through him? Please.
+wolverineminer Good point
wolverineminer is lebron will be big and strong,fast in 80s,90s with out modern days suplements,program practice,modern training like now he is..NO...do you say Barkley who was a Tank,Malone,Shaq,Robinson,Mourning can not beat Lebron??? Pero Antic demolished Lebron with strenght.
Vince Carter so lebron has had better training, isn’t that an argument for him being better?
wolverineminer add in that rules were incredibly lax about what the offensive player could do, for example, Michael Jordan constantly grabbing and hooking with the off hand on offense, imagine lebron getting to use his off hand to pull himself by defenders
and please defenders in 80s 90s are a joke . slower than my grandma on a wheelchair .
no wonder they have to play dirty , cause they can't guard anyone .
can't imagine ppl like lebron drose and westbrook blowing by ppl coming in at full speed and pushing off ppl with ur str isn't a foul .
Dom2k needs to be an NBA analyst/commentator or a trial lawyer. Great channel! There are a lot of fundamental differences between the League in the 90's and now. I think the general theme of those changes reflect the changes in our Country. The League is also far ahead of where it was, in the 90's, as an asset. I loved the 90's and I love the game now. Keep the videos coming, Dom.
I think the 90s are better for one reason, actual competition. Now all the superstars just join each other on one team, but back in the day superstars used to compete not play together. We have a better talent pool but we don't have more competition.
Joshua Kapustin lakers ,Celtics, bulls when they pick up karr and Rodman
Thks
This was a very fair video. Great job! I still don't know where I come down. I started watching the NBA in 1989. The Knicks were the prototypical 90's teams. While I don't necessarily love Don Nelson-ball, it was pretty boring watching 82-75 slugfests sometimes. I will bravely take NO position and say they're equally good eras, just different :D
90s were great for everything. Premier league Football, NBA, Cartoons, T.V shows and Films. The 10s have taken a dip in quality
2000s era is the best of both worlds
It’s funny how the narrative changes over time which ofc makes sense, the 2010’s was the most talented era ever so far and the game is going to keep evolving players today are just better then back then🤷🏽♂️
True💯
Shh. Old people dont want to hear that. Keep it low. 😂
@@SirCharles824 then they'll throw you the "MJ would average 50 ppg in today's NBA" card
@@Velasco-vp1fh lmaoo true. Somehow NBA players got better from the 1960s to the 80s/90s, but haven't improved at all after that (according to those people). 30 years from now, the players will be better than the ones that play today. I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept for people to accept.
puruman 18 why does everyone have this dumbass notion that everything gets better with time 🤦♂️ you sound dumb and hella ignorant players are just more athletic and more skilled defensively Ik you don’t like to hear it but it’s true the game evolves but it doesn’t get better that’s just opinion not fact lol
I'm the biggest fan of the 90's NBA and even I still have to admid that today's league is far better from top to bottom.
i've seen the games in the 80's and 90's . boy it was rough compared today.
Cain Marco Yeah but is that actually basketball?
Cain Marco What I mean is that hard fouls does not constitute basketball skills
Duncan Siror yes it does it make you more tougher
Carlos Delgado I thought this was basketball not football. Even football has illegal tackles.
all because of the rules. imagine players today bigger and stronger doing clothesline underneath it would be a disaster. someone will get seriously hurt
This isn't a weak era, but it's a weakER era than the 90s
RonnyDonny13 the 90’s top ten would fuck the current top 10 no question
Actually 90s are weakest era.
6 Expansion teams in 8 years. Very watered down.
Very easy - Compare dream1 or 2 team vs Team USA from last olympics.... I think its obvious... But then again, this season NBA is coming back big time.
Ilvers Bendrups Many top NBA players didn't even join the rio olympic team WTF YOU BABBLING ABOUT
LeBron would survive the 90s
The 1992 Washington Bullets (link below) started a 5'10" 162 pound point guard and a 6'9" 210 pound center. They won 22 freaking games that year. You're either trying to be nice so as not to disrupt your subscriber count or you ate paint chips as a child. How physical can an era be where a 6'0" 170 pound Mark Price is making an all-star team, where a 5'3" 135 pound Mugsy Bogues starts for a team for a freaking decade. Dennis Rodman was a defensive "force" at 6'7" 210 pounds. Patrick Ewing was practically the same height and weight as Kevin Durant. The 98 Jazz had a starting backcourt that consisted of a 37 year old 6'1" 175 pound white point guard (for some odd reason, not one of those even starts in the league today, let alone for a finals team) and a 36 year old 6'3" 190 pound white shooting guard (I think you know what I'm going to say here.) Charles Barkley had to look at the f#*$ing ball to dribble. You talk about shooting threes like it's a bad thing but the 90's were taking plenty of shots too, just stupid midrangers. It's not the 10's fault the 90's were stupid.
Go back and actually watch some early 90's playoff basketball, it was horrendous. Don't use your memory to tell me it was awesome because I thought it was awesome while I was watching it too. I also thought the 1993 Camaro was the sh!t and wore a couple baseball jerseys backwards too.
www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199212230CHI.html
I think the 90s and 2000s are equal. The only point that you brought up that I totally agreed with that is a flaw of the 2000s is rivalries. Not that Wade and Bron are friends and stuff like that, but team vs team. I'd like it if players would compete as if the other team's players are your worst enemies on court, but off court y'all can be cool. There are so many potential rivalries today that would make the NBA better. So I went to make a list for current rivalries that should happen.
Current:
Boston Celtics vs Charlotte Hornets. Master mind coaches. Elite PGs. Amazing SGs. Lockdown SFs. Great big men. Amazing benches. How fun would it be to see Kemba Walker and Isaiah Thomas going 100% every time they face each other as if they hate each other. Batum vs Bradley, Crowder vs MKG. Steve Clifford vs Brad Stevens. This would be so fun to see them as rivals.
Oklahoma City Thunder vs Houston Rockets. Star power. Offence. Fast pace. Proving who can lead their team further. This rivalry was born to happen. Former teammates with everything to prove. Imagine if they both went 100% as if they hated each other. They're both capable of a 30, 10 and 10 game. This rivalry would be about offence and how fast they play. It would be so fun to see them in a real rivalry.
Utah Jazz vs San Antonio Spurs. The old vs new. Master mind coaches. Ball movement. Fundamental basketball. Passing the torch. This rivalry would be fun to see as these 2 teams are the most fundamentally sound teams in the league. It would be like San Antonio passing the torch to Utah. Just beautiful basketball. If you like the 90s you'd love this rivalry. Just defence and ball movement.
Toronto Raptors vs Chicago Bulls. Scoring vs Defence. Both teams are in love with mid range jumpers and scoring inside. Both teams have superstar talent. This would be like a poor man's Piston vs Bulls rivalry. If these teams hated each other, we'd have some of the most entertaining basketball of the past decade. Jimmy vs Demar. Lowry vs Rondo. Wade trying to prove he still has it. It would be a great rivalry.
I came to conclusions that people actually seek drama, fight, hatred, brutality over actual game. Isn't NFL, UFC enough?
Today's NFL is softer than the NBA
Yeah I saw a comment that said that they want to see another Malace at the Palace🤦🏿♂️
you say drama hatred fighting brutality. I say rivalries competitiveness loyalty and toughness
Jose Reyes your saying theres no rivalries in the NBA?
@@josereyes1148 you think the nba not competitive cause there’s no fights or big rivalry’s that’s just stupid
One thing I can comment is that the offense today can sometimes be too dumb for focusing too much on the 3 pt shot where it's a lower percentage shot than a post shot. For example, during a screen and a defensive switch happens where the offensive big man let's say Gobert during the Rockets vs Jazz playoff game is guarded by Tucker and Capella is guarding Mitchell, instead of giving it to the post to take advantage of a 6'3 Tucker guarding a 7'1 Gobert we instead saw a most likely 3 point attempt by Mitchell. The same can be said with Harden instead of giving it to Capella being guarded by a small guard. One of the reason why these two team lose because it was too guard oriented and too much isolation on the 3 point area, they have no post offense except for lob passes and put back shots.
If it were during the time of Malone and Olajuwon the first option would be them because their attempt is much nearer to the basket and is a much higher percentage shot, whether you like it or not and these two were elite in the post and inside the 3 pt line jumpers. The zone defense of today wouldn't even matter because there is a gaping hole in the middle because no defensive player can stay there without guarding anyone, else, he will be called for a 3 second defensive violation. The zone defense is not the same with what we see in FIBA. That's why playing zone defense can be most of the time a liability, that's why you see a lot of slashing athletic guards taking advantage of it because the middle shaded area is wide open.
The spacing helps when shooting 3s in volume but those plays you mentioned were just bad plays by mitchell and harden and not necessarily a fault of the offense. Most teams/point guards take advantage of those mismatches down low when they see them.
This era can be summed up easily. The paint is empty and perimeter shooters can't be touched. It's basically zone d floating around the mid and it's pathetic.
That alone shows you the type of advantages players have today. It's why the posterized dunk is relatively non existent and 3 point/perimeter shooting has sky rocketed.
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"we lost Kobe Bryant"
That turned out to be deeper than it seemed.
The NBA in the 90s was more physical compared to today, there were not even close to as many fouls called back then in the 90s, I don't think players like Lebron or Harden would be as efficient of scorers in the 90s.
NationalBandwagonAssociation ----Yes they would bro. Fouls will soon become free throws so Harden and James could've easily averaged 15-20 free throws the 90's plus with their shooting they would become mini MJs. Plus the 1 on 1 situations like in the video, they could easily muscle players around.
NationalBandwagonAssociation Actually there are fewer fouls called today than the 90s.
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Yes they would I think those two ISO proficient players would dominate without a zone defense
Michael Jordan yes James harden can shoot and he can shoot out of many different situations but part of the reason he shoots so well is because players know he's a triple threat, if you let him drive he'll do that euro step and he has the soft touch to finish, you can't help 1 pass away because you have 3 point threats like Eric Gordon, Trevor ariza and even Patrick Beverly who are efficient shooters. But he still wouldn't be as effective, yes he's a great scorer but he's never averaged over 50% for a season in fg%, and that's in an era where you have guys 6'8 as centers protecting the rim and less physicality. James harden would probably shoot a lot more 3s or mid range shots if he played in the 90s
AMCC4728 that's because less 3s were attempted, and the fouls players got in the 90s were actual fouls, today players absorb the smallest amount of contact and it's a foul, and don't forget about players that sell calls. Flopping has become very popular today and it's allowed many players easy free throws
When the best defensive team in the 2018 season is allowing 99.0 points a game it really shows you how little defense is considered.
The NBA is unwatchable until the pkayoffs
Zack Tom That’s because the pace in the 80s was faster.
All the "90s" NBA footage is really from the 80s lol
At around 7:50 you ask who would be able to guard players like Lebron or Melo with 90's rules. First of all, no one is going to have an easy time guarding any good one on one player regardless of what era's rules you use. If players today were actually allowed to get physical like players were allowed in the 90's then it seems that there really wouldn't be a difference because there is another rule from the 90's that restricts the defense in another way. For example, a Kawhi Leonard would have a much easier time guarding folks if he could hand check and what not but if double teaming is more difficult to pull off then his ability to get more physical due to the rules is nullified because of other rules that come into play. With each set of rules that allows something there is something that those same rules restrict for any given era. Not really a persuasive argument from either side who is arguing for their favorite era in my opinion.
Fair point
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Well said
i could go on all day on players who would lock lebron and carmelo up from the 90’s. we not going to act like the 90’s didn’t strive on defense as much as the ‘10s strive on threes. people had to hit the gym and work on their defense. they could ONLY PLAY MAN.
Gagandeep Singh you literally just said useless statements lol. the 90’s are a defensive era. we can hop on a call and discuss how it is. let’s see if you win this debate. :)
“Losing Vince Carter soon”
nah
He gone :(
I think the 80s was the greatest era in basketball. Lakers, Celtics, Bad Boy Pistons. Jordan and the Bulls were lucky enough not to have a major force to oppose them
Definitely the best era
Jordan and the bulls faced Karl Malone and John Stockton, Hakeem Olajuwon and the rockets, shaq and Orlando, the bad Boys pistons, how is that no competition
Thomas Lequesne he never faced the rockets in the finals , and the 80s had all the dynasties the 90s at most had 2 all stars on their teams
Thomas Lequesne he didn’t win until everyone retired or got old
@@ellandlord2456 yes but he was very young and had no supporting cast.
The big men would be waiting on LeBron or any player who burn their man and come to the basket Barkley,Shaq,Robinson,akeem,Ewing or any other big man that would be waiting in the middle to lay the wood...
And then he'd kick it out for a 3... Your point?
James Spiegel agreed
Quinnton Jones outside of Shaq all of them weigh around the same weight as Lebron and Lebron coming with that same weight like a bullet.
LeBron at 6'9 270 running faster than barry sanders and lowering his shoulder. Other than clothesline him or hit him with a cheap shot what would they have done. Most of the "defense" people brag about is nothing more than cutting a guys legs from under him while he's in the air or clotheslining him. The bad boy pistons did nothing but cheap shot people. Take that away and what were they? The 04 Pistons were better than the bad boys because they could play suffocating defense without the cheap shit.
Hilarious, if 6 ft 6 220 lbs Michael Jordan could survive then I’m sure 6-8 270 lbs lebron would do fine. If you even care to watch games today you’d notice everytime lebron isos or posts up there’s already a player shadowing the lane to the basket before he has even moved.
As a "Old" head I actually enjoy the game better today than the "thug" ball era of the mid 90's to about 2007....
The 80's wasn't thug ball too? The defense was nasty back then. In the more modern era it takes skills to play defense you can't just hack dudes. No I'm not talking about 2019 Nba
3>2
jerseys better in the 90s
Robert Moss stoudamire raptors jersey 🔥🔥
Depends on the team
Orlando magics in the 90s was my favourite Jersey, but my favourite team was probably timberwolves in the 90s tho
I’m an old school guy that grew up watching and playing in the 90s. Today’s shooters are incredible even though I’m not a fan of so much iso ball. I call it a weak era not because of the skill necessarily. But because of the lack of physicality and as you said fundamentals. Team fundamentals anyway. You made a case for both eras and I appreciate that. But that feeling of going to the basket and knowing you really earned it was a great feeling. Keep doing the great work.
So body slamming someone is what you call defense though ?
The only reason they were going to the paint was because of the lack of zone
Short answer: YES, the 90s was waaaaaaaaaaaay better that today's NBA. Hell, even the 80s was waaaaaay better. But, I would say the NBA is starting to get a little better, but it's still a lightweight decade compared to the 90s and 80s....
Best Era
1. 80's = Legendary Era
2. 90's = Great Era
3. 10's = Boring Era
4. 00's = Weakest Era
I really think this is a valid argument
Best point is “90’s players are more fundamentally sound than modern players” that ends the debate
Dats a paddlin Exactly😂 they always say 90’s players were more fundamentally sound but the 2 most athletic super stars were killing everybody else 💀
It is totally ridiculous to say current nba players are softer and less good in general than 80s or 90s. Maybe the league is softer but not the players.
Lebron James: 6 foot 8 height, 7 foot wingspan, runs faster than big fellas, jumps higher than guards, great scorer at best and a top passer, playmaker and in his prime a great defender. Can dominate the basketball game in multiple different ways, and people say he will be destroyed in 80s and 90s. Lebron to me is the Magic Johnson with more skillsets, if Magic can win 5 rings, give Lebron players like Kareem he can definitely win more.
Kevin Durant: 7 foot, 7 foot 6 wingspan, can shoot from anywhere, again quicker than centers and have guards skills. Who the heck can guard him? Honestly do think all these handchecking can bother him he just need to shake and fake and gets by you.
Kawhi Leonard: Built like an old school player, 6 foot 7, 7 foot 3 wingspan he has great fundementals great seperations shooting mid-range, just don't see how this guy will be worse in the 80s and 90s.
Steph: Can pull up from anywhere.
Giannis: Too athletic, too big too strong. A bit lacking in skills but him physically is definitely too overpowering for players even Shaq admitted so.
Anthony Davis: A slightly less athletic Giannis with more guard skills and shooting. Even Kareem says if he wants to be a modern player he want to be AD. His guard skills will definitely make older players headache cuz they never met big guys with that much skills.
And even some old school arrogant players, like Bird, praises current era, and they are known for either going through rough games or being physical, and they said modern players will do well in 80s and 90s, I just don't get the point why current players aren't as good myth is up there. Also players are human, a player as great as LBJ, KD, Kawhi, Steph, Giannis and AD will definitely adjust their mentality in an era of more rough plays, they will learn to adjust and ultilize their physical advantage better and slightly change the game. I don't see how they will not do well in the 80s and 90s, especially if you put them in great teams.
Bruh lol 😂 more fundamentally sound we know the fundamentals we just more skilled and better shooters and more athletic
No, no they’re not. And most players today can do EVERYTHING. That’s why they add flash like they do. Kd, Lebron, kawhi, Jimmy butler, Kobe Bryant and more. All have basically a perfect game lmaoo they could add style and flash to their games because of that
everything was better in the 90s life is shit now.
Dylan Pozzy edgy
Dylan Pozzy get your head out your ass
Mystic Mac
says the guy with another man as his pic
Dylan Pozzy go make another off beat shitty rap fuck boy
Dylan Pozzy talk about "everything was better in the 90's" but remix drake songs 😂 go to guantamo bay to collect your darwin award you muppet
I like the points you brought up. The big men in the NBA like Embiid, Cousins, Drummond, Porzingis, and Davis will make the game better and more exciting to watch. I'm with you on rivalries. I grew up with these in the late 80s-early 90s like the Celtics-Lakers, Celtics-Pistons, Bulls-Knicks, Bulls-Pistons, and Knicks-Pacers. Back then, the Eastern Conference was a cross between playing basketball and football, while the Western Conference was an all out offensive blitz. The NBA has to step up on these guys playing on the same team. Have all the superstars play on complete separate teams. True about the Clippers. If they had players that are fundamentally sound, they may make it past the second round. The NBA All Star Weekend events are a joke!! The stars should be out there for the events.
Anthony Monroe yea rivalries is a huge point, also the friendly stuff is boring. With guys like KG and Kobe gone we may not see that stuff for awhile
True true. Some players now are too one dimensional. All they want to do is dunk. I'd rather watch an NBA full of San Antonio Spurs teams than Clippers teams. Speaking of them, they should move back to San Diego, because they will never get the full attention the Lakers do. Same with the Nets. They should move to Montreal or Vancouver, and get new ownership and management there. They're horrible.
@@anthonymonroe
Montreal doesn't care about basketball.
Don't forget about the NBA rules and rules created because of players.
Modern era players might be better then the dream team if they all came together
Curry Westbrook Paul
Harden Butler or Thompson
Lebron KD Kawhi PG13
Anthony Davis Blake Griffin
Boogie Karl Drummond or Deandre
It would be stacked
You A Joke idk about that. 13 hofs is damn hard to beat
Brandon Polo that list looks like 13 HOF too
Only sure hofs on that list are Curry, Westbrook, Paul, Harden, Lebron, Kd, Kawhi. I would say Ad and PG but they are constantly injury prone and you never know if they could have a career ending injury.
Brandon Polo I would add Klay, Drummond, KAT
No way you can say Drummond for sure. Kay and towns is arguable
old school dom, his voice changed so much
i love ur channel man. very informative.
both are amazing so stop comparing
fuck you
Clorox Bleachhh fuck you and fuck this little child that said to stop
This era reminds me of Euro ball.
your right that it is why? there are no more supper stars they put what i call 6 men from the 90's and call them good lol im seeing toni kukoc at best,,
It is much better defense in Euroleague than in NBA today
SIG7.62 yeah because LeBron James, a 6’9 250+ lbs player who is also one of the fastest small forwards we have ever seen is a sixth man
Nice thinking
@@jefftaylor8987 What the fuck are you saying
@Ronald M 🤦🏿♂️
That Atlanta Hawks design was so much better.
Yes it was the bulls won 6 championships with a team with 2 all stars not 5 I think every team should have a limit with NBA superstars
The Conch so Dennis rodman wasn’t an all star? Okay
the limit should be 3 stars imo
Dumb the talent is much more progressed that’s the same with every sport
Ricky Gill Wasn’t Rodman old on the Bulls?
Ricky Gill not with the Bulls. Rodman made like 3 all stars all with the Oistons. He played on 4 other teams. I was a huge Rodman fan but he wasn’t the best pf during that time, yea he gave you 15+ rebounds but you had KG, Chris Webber, Malone, Mchale, & Barkley giving you 20+ & 10. Even Bird was putting up those numbers. There were a lot of forwards better than Dennis.
80s were the best
Very interesting topic, great information!
I think the centers nowadays are no way better than the 90s centers, when it come to being as physical and aggressive. But, they are more technical and versatile on the floor. I believe the NBA is soft now, when it come to letting players play physical without all the fouls and 'cry baby' attitudes. But hey, this is my opinion.
Joshua GONZALEZ stop it the NBA is not soft now.
chocolate thunder9172001 lmao compare today’s fouls with fouls back then ... you touch a player today going to the rim and it’s a foul
chocolate thunder9172001 nba players even admit to this
imo i feel like the 90s is better but its not by a wide margin teams are smarter now and even though the handcheck rule is gone double teams and zone make up for it .
also feel like kd not getting enough credit for all these shooting big man he was the original 7 footer handling the ball and is still the most complete outta of all them
Dr.CookiesNeedLoveLikeEverthingDoes he definitely was one of the best at that time, especially because of Tim Duncan
Dr.CookiesNeedLoveLikeEverthingDoes what does that have to do with the effectiveness of a zone defense? Muggsy Bouges was killing defenses, it's not about height all the time, it's about reading a defense.
YOUR OVERRATING ZONE defense . Everyone who took basketball 101 knows to beat a zone, you ethier have to be a great passing team aka spurs or a great 3 point shooting team aka warriors. the problem with zone is that it impedes drivers/slashers from going to the hoop. the zone is good because it promotes team play. Any way nba still doesnt play real zone with the 3 second violation.
NewEarth Son 3-2 zones stop shooters, 2-3 stops driving teams. You're not giving credit to zone defenses either
love your takes keep it up
the 90's just had more competition and heart. I think it's jus better athlete's now but they don't have the it factor. it's jus a different game. all love tho at the end of the day
Dats a paddlin It wasn’t that they were chokers, they lost because MJ was that dominant. Any 90’s pundit or all-time player who was active in that era would tell you that.
Not calling the modern era weak but it's just not as good the 90's was better for the fans no superteams actual toughness actual rivalries
as I watched Spurs from late 2000's to their final years of being contenders in the early 2010s, they reminded me a lot of 90's basketball. In that, each player had their own skill set and Pop got his players to play at their utmost potential in their skill sets and positions. The ball sharing was something to be greatly admired as each player had a significant role in making their system work as well as it did with Tim Duncan being one of the most superior leaders of a team in NBA history.
People talk about the excitement that Jordan brought to the game, we actually have quite a few players like Jordan in regards in creating excitement in games. We have Russell Westbrook, regardless of your thoughts on him of being a team player, their is no denying how fun it is seeing this guy hustle play after play, going after it, etc. and seeing him display powerful attacks and dunks and the will to try to break the opponent guarding him down. He's got like that Charles Barkley attitude of wanting to show his alpha side on you.
Dwight Howard in Orlando was always fun to see as he was basically our last Center of a bygone era. Sadly, his mental approach to the game got exposed harshly and since then, we had to wait until the guys you mentioned that have definitely become fun big players to watch. If it weren't for the Golden State +KD transition, and LeBron not being LeBron James, the NBA would be red hot right now in regards in tough competition throughout many games with different sets of teams at each other.
Come 2018-2019 season, if the Celtics can afford a healthy run throughout the year and no injury setbacks, and everyone executes the way they are suppose to execute with now Kyrie and and Haywood....it's an exciting thing to think about.
Anthony Davis and KAT are going to be even bigger stars at the start of 2020.
Things will become even more interesting in regards to what KD's legacy will become if he at some point within 3-4 years decides to leave Golden State and becomes part of a team where he is the sole leader and takes on the responsibility in leading a team where the team must need him around on court to have the team truly gel the way they can, unlike right now where Steph Curry is still the heart of the Golden State that makes everything easier for the rest of the stars and supporting cast.
But again, after 2017-2018 season, if LeBron James were to join forces with Sixers or definitely Houston, despite all the talent that the NBA possesses right now, it could just still fall under the category of the top 2 teams, and the rest as just being fodder during the post season.
The only reason I like the 90s more is because they wouldn't call fouls if you held onto a guy's shirt or lightly smacked them shit like that is a flagrant now a days
BosnianSkilla yes they did they called the same fouls, they call today
BosnianSkilla u have to be dumb they didn't call flagrants in the 80s, when they were in their prime(The Pistons) because there was no such thing as a flagrant foul dummy. Flagrants didn't come until 1991 cause Jordan complained to the league about the Pistons. Also hitting someone and it not being called a foul is not defense dummy. So u saying today that when a fight happens they end the game? U are really blinded by nostalgia lol
I will tell you who can guard them... anyone can guard them... handchecking is legal...
Rodman guarded shaq and he got better of shaq..
99potoy r/ijusthadaseizure
Bad example because Rodman was a fucking beast.
And still people don't call the bulls a superteam
Void argument. If you look at players who played before and after handchecking being illegal, (Kobe, Pierce, etc.) there is no significant scoring increase and there is even a decrease sometimes. Not only is your point completely invalid but you really think that anyone in the 90s nba could guard Lebron? Or Harden?
@@metal3543 do you think harden can do his moves back in 90s rules? LeBron is big but he is guardable
One of the other things is that the 90's was all about dethroning the Bulls. Yeah, the Rockets had their repeat, but that's just because of Jordan wanting to play baseball. That made it fun.
The rivalry aspect and physical aspect isn’t the players faults...it’s the refs and the new league rules. They can’t even breathe on each other without techs.
Lawd Asa facts
Defense is none existent compared to back in the day. The game today is extra soft. Not to mention you can take 3 frickin steps with the ball and carry the ball. AKA James and others. No good rivalries (teams that hate each other). You have to stack teams to win now (sucks as a fan). I could go on and on. The other thing nobody wants to talk about is that back in the 80's and 90's you had to prove your worth and earn your money. Now you get paid through major endorsements and big contracts before you even hit the NBA floor. You are unproven and making tons of money. So what is your incentive to play your best basketball and get better? And what is this hanging out at your opponents house the night before you play against him and his team stuff? I mean seriously! What a joke! Could you imagine Charles Barkley hanging with Rick Mahorn at Rick Mahorn's house before the 76'ers / Pistons game? Good Lord!!!
Closest thing to a rivalry was Pacers- Heat
Jordan and Ewing hung together and the bulls had a rivalry with together
Dats a paddlin that’s harder to score then not being touched so 🤷♂️
@Dats a paddlin I agree to a degree some defensive players in the 80s and 90s were actually good defenders but average defenders of the past wouldnt do good in todays game yeah i agree except that part and im just saying it was way harder to score because players could seriously do that to you slam you and handcheck and shit
@Dats a paddlin Yeah jordan,isiah thomas,hakeem,barkley and larry they would all kill today because no one can touch them
It's crazy evolution in basketball goes backwards players today are smaller, slower, weaker. They just don't play basketball like they used to, guys in the 40's would've destroyed everyone