Why You Should NOT Carry Off-Body.....EVER! - Geauga Firearms Academy
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- In this Geauga Firearms Academy video I discuss why I recommend a person NEVER carry their concealed carry gun off-body. See Part 2 bit.ly/OffBody2 For those who are looking for female specific carry options check out Kim's review bit.ly/2dM0mtX
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I show demonstrations of real life situation that shows how dangerous and ineffective carrying off-body is.
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Key Topics include:
1) On Body CC vs. Off Body CC
2) Reaction time
3) Why you should NEVER carry off body
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Clicked for the click-bait, but subed for the quality content. Good video, guys!
Matt Olfson thanks for watching and subbing
I've told my wife to shoot through the purse, she's got 900 more.
j dale34 lol! thanks for watching
that is a good call that way the bad guy has no idea what she is doing? could be looking for her phone
In a life or death situation, I have no problem with shooting an attacker through my bag or coat pocket, for that matter.
@@user-gi6ee8vj1y you still need to get the gun out of the holster. Or do you carry a loaded gun without a holster in the bag?
lmao
As someone who does both on body and off body carry I can say it really depends on what you are carrying it in. I have some tactical bags that give me instant access to my firearm. I also realize that carrying off body is much slower of a draw, so that is why I make sure I am aware of my surroundings. If I feel something is not right I put my hand in the pocket the gun is in so I can access it immediately if I need to. This is something that should be mentioned also.
Thanks for watching David.
A good argument for the importance of situational awareness as well.
soylentdean very true. Get off your phones and watch what's going on around you. thanks for watching
I have thought several times about making a video on this specific subject several times, I am a Police commissioner retired and have seen it all. I can't believe you are the first person I have seen on youtube to approach this subject, good job, I subscribed
Old Geezer thanks you for the sub and thanks for your law enforcement service!
I have already begun filming a video using the same tests were Kim CC the same gun to show the results. I wanted to mention that because it has been asked many times, so stay tuned. :)
Yes! A comparison between off-body vs IWB or AIWB would add much more weight to the argument.
Great Jason that video is up so check it out.
Just saw it - great! That extra second made all the difference. Subbed, and BTW, when are you going to add more weapon retention videos? I noticed the Gracie tee shirt - I just started BJJ last year and would love to see how to combine it with a firearm for self defense.
I'm working on expanding the series and have begun filming it so stay tuned
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YOU sir are a VERY lucky man!
Keep her safe, she's a keeper!
I could not agree more!! Thanks for watching!
Finally, a respectful comment. Well done.
Even knowing she's your wife and it's an act ,
When you approach her and she can't get her gun out ,
I get chills down my spine :
THAT'S HOW REAL CRIME IS !
You forgot one.... the brain fart. You carry the gun in your purse and you're with a group and you're kind of in a hurry and you leave the purse in a restaurant with the gun in it. Now granted you may discover that fact by the time you get to your car and don't have your keys, but you left a loaded gun in your purse unattended out of your control. Bad. Very bad. Never carry off body. Never.
Excellent point thanks for watching and commenting!
Had a woman purse carry and her young daughter got a hold of the gun while shopping, and shot her poor mother.
Yet another reason to never carry off body.
It's not complete bullshit. I will admit many scenarios can be conceived of in a slanted manner but, there are people absent minded enough to leave their pistol unattended. Heck, people have left their babies on top of cars and driven off before. Some people off body concealed carry in a non intelligent way.
this problem is solved by not being blonde
so very helpful to see the truth from a very knowledgeable instructor showed video to my mother who's new pistol carrier and now understands a gun in a purse is not safe. THANK YOU
Peter Johnson thank you for watching and sharing!
I would like to see the results of the same tests with her having her weapon on body. Can she reach the weapon in time, withdraw and be ready to fire by the time you get there? How about with no warning?
That video is already being filmed stay tuned :)
That’s what I was thinking. I want to see the comparison
The closing comments are so very true! Training is important.
Jason Smith thanks for watching
A purse snatcher is going to run around the corner or into an alley before he rifles your bag; you are probably safe, but his next victim isn't.
But I completely agree with your basic premise. I often carry a camera bag that actually has a quick access concealed carry pocket; I keep a notepad and the camera's instruction manual in it.
Thanks for watching!
The new growing trend is to work in pairs now, one person olds the gun on you while the other picks your pockets ie purse etc. they grab your valuables and run.
The biggest point I think people should think about, almost all attacks are going to be that of ambush. If someone grabs the purse from you before you can even react, you'll have no time to reach for said bag (or it might not be there anymore), and you've been jacked over. Good video!
Batarn I wish more people understood that point. Thanks for watching and commenting
This is where a small fixed blade knife or assisted opening folder comes in handy,.
Michael C. For sure!
For the attacker. For the defender, that has all the same problems as drawing the gun. The only slight advantage is that the knife is dangerous in multiple directions, where the gun is dangerous only in one.
VanishingNomad My thinking is that the knife will be easier to get to while clipped to the waistband or on a neck chain. Especially in this situation, before your attacker has closed the distance. If you are caught off guard and are fighting in clinch range, drawing any weapon is a tricky proposition at that point.
Michael C. A knife is a huge advantage over a gun at close distances.
Michael C. ,
In my Silat classes, from back years ago, I learned that the knife has some advantages in a situation like this, for the reasons you mention "Slightly faster draw", and also what I mentioned, in that it is a threat in multiple directions, whereas a gun is only dangerous in one direction.
The thing is, if you are being charged full throttle you have a draw and reaction time issue, that negates a LOT of the knives effectiveness, just as it does the gun. You simply can't properly deploy it under that kind of pressure.
It gets even worse under realistic conditions where there is no warning (In the video above, he announces when he starts his run). Once some one is on you, they control your actions, and the knife is neutralized. Preventing them getting this control is where your hand to hand skills come in.
The way we were taught, knife fighting IS hand to hand. All the same footwork, positioning and control are implemented. If someone is full on charging you, you can deal with it much faster and more reliably, in empty hand combat first. When you have taken the advantage away, cost them thier balance, taken position, and have forced them into a position where they have to recover, to continue the attack THAT is your window to draw the weapon.
When you draw your weapon, you drop your defenses, and expose yourself to the attack. You can't do it too early. You have to trip them up and wait untill the opportune moment. When they are too busy with thier own balance to stop you, THEN you draw..
Excellent video/demonstration. I have taken your advice & do NOT off carry when I am not able to carry on body.
Keith Wetherhold great! thanks for watching and sharing
Great video and demonstration. Liked and subbed.
Thanks, Tyler! We appreciate the support.
1. You should have done a control test where she attempts to draw from an on-body holster in the same scenario.
2. You should have had her using a bag that is made for CCW, one with a quickdraw feature like the M-TAC
Great info! I showed this to my Mother and now she carries her Ruger LCR .357 Magnum with Crimson Trace laser grip in an inside waist band holster on her strong arm side instead of her purse. (Even though I did buy her a VERY nice tactical concealed carry purse that it was VERY easy for her to draw her firearm from.) Great video guys and gals! Helped me convince her in no time flat. Plus I feel MUCH BETTER about her carrying her firearm. You know they call her Annie Oakley down at our local range? Lol! 😂 You've seen the movie "A Christmas Story"? You know how they tell the boy he can't have a Red Ryder BB Gun because he'll "Shoot his eye out!"? Well, she WILL shoot your eye out! And at the last distance line on the range! I believe it is 15 yards or 45 feet. I sure DON'T hate it for the baddie who tries to rob her! Lol! 😂 Thanks again guys and gals! Can't wait to watch some more of your videos! Peace! 😆🐶
Griminiem thanks for watching and sharing.
bro i all know now is that your blessed with such a beautiful woman in your life!
Could not agree more! Thanks for watching Jim.
@Hunt For Adventure shut up douchebag
This is something a lot of people don't take into consideration! Wonderful video, keep up the good work!
Thanks we appreciate your support!
i carry my gun in my 10 gallon hat. i have it set up so when i pull my bolo tie, it shoots wherever my head is pointing. very safe, very comfortable, 100% accuracy. i wouldnt carry any other way
J Lloyd glad you are carrying. lol. thanks for watching :-)
I hope it's a revolver!
This had me cracking up. It's like Inspector Gadget or something.
Jaryd Lloyd ok
The only way to go
YES. Now this is an excellent video.
I’ve advocated against purse carry for a long time.
Some would argue that it’s better than nothing, but you bring up a good point that once they get the purse they have the gun. Well done.
there are some bags that are made for.carry where theres a velcro pull panel and the gun is already therr. much faster than lifting ur shirt then drawing.
I can understand that in a perfect situation a purse carry would work. People can argue they are situationally aware all of the time, but this is the real world and all we can do is try our best.
The argument against is that if they take your purse and you are carrying on body, who cares? My life is worth more. If they rip it off of you, now you are unarmed and just gave a gun to a criminal. If someone knocked me over and wants to harm me not just take my bag, I could still access my pistol on body.
Thanks for watching
Look up the 2 year old shoots mom in the head in Idaho Walmart. The husband can't understand why people are giving him grief for letting her wife carry in the purse. His response was (paraphrasing - I bought the purse for here it was meant for conceal carry had a special pouch and everything its not like it was an everyday purse.) Its kind of like the every year you hear a kid falls into zoo exhibit. you have 3 kids with you under 5 and one parent surprised that one got away for a few seconds, unless you have help like a friend or relative or babysitter to come with you or super disciplined kids. Don't take your 3 kids of your 4 kids under 5 to the zoo when your gangster husband whose been in jail so many times they don't know if hes coming or going and your so obese you cant jog to even catch them if they got away from you and then you yell and scream and get the gorilla upset they have to shoot him. who saw that coming??? and she works in children's education can you believe that
A pocket-holstered Ruger LCP fits perfectly in the "ash tray" of my Silverado pickup truck. I can get to it faster than most on-body holsters when I'm driving.
Having said that, cross-draw or a shoulder holster do work for me when driving a lot.
Thank you for demonstrating this, I've been teaching this for a long time.
Please also explain and demo the "21 foot " rule/logic as well. Most civilians don't know about it.
Keep it up!
Boomer Taylor we appreciate you watching Boomer
Another reason is if you have children it could mean your life or their's!
A woman was killed by her own child in a Walmart because she stepped away from her purse in the buggy!!!! Just don't do it!
Wendy Snow thanks for watching and commenting
Also I've situations where the purse was in the back seat, and a child also accessed the purse. If there had been some weapon in the purse, it might also go off accidentally or while the kid thinks it's a toy.
Wendy your out of debate in that point Ms señora
I just found your channel and am enjoying your instructional videos. I agree, that if someone is going to carry a gun in a bag the way you exampled it in this video, yes, they would be a moron. I have a holster specifically made to fit onto its own compartment accessed by a rear zipper in the bags I use to carry.
Cross-body bags are the only acceptable option. I move the holster from bag to bag. It's a rear compartment that I can leave open and no one can see. I can walk down the street with my hand literally on the handle of my gun and there's no way for anyone to know.
When it's 20 degrees outside and I'm wearing a coat that reaches my ankles with three layers of clothes under that, I think my hand on my gun in the compartment is a better option. Maybe I'm still an idiot, maybe it's an unacceptable compromise to you, but for me, when I'm often outside in the freezing cold, walking everywhere to the store or work or meeting friends, running errands, I have far better access this way.
I know it’s been 5 years, but I agree. I carry an across chest sling bag, and have the zipper open. There is 0.0% chance I could get under my clothes and jacket faster than I can reach down and unholster my gun from being right on my chest.
Thanks guys. Awesome public service video. I really feel like this could save some lives
DAVID veilleux thanks for watching and commenting
Absolutely great, thank you.
You're welcome and we appreciate you watching and commenting!
Situational Awareness is the key to personal security. The Tueller Drill can sometimes overcome the best trained with level level 2 retention holsters. Very good video and something to take into serious consideration
Thanks for watching!
Let's recap...hot red head in yoga pants...Gadsden Flag T-shirt...gun talk...epic beard...
A recipe for an overall great vid!
Thank you....
countrysamurai you are very observant! Thanks for watching!
You are very welcome...thanks for being on the cutting edge of your training and continuing to further protect our precious Right to Bear Arms!
There is no amount of training that is too much...but I am sure I don't need to tell you. You are so fortunate to have a wife who is like minded.
Aside from the rude comments, I think this should really get the point across to off body carry. Great video guys!
Although I would have liked to see the reaction time with on body carry also as a comparison.
I must admit, this video is a necessary one! Thanks for taking the time to show people that having any form of protection that's not easily accessible can likely cause an escalated incident that people do not expect.
It'll end with the victim and the perpetrator fighting to gain control of the item for survival.
If you get the permit, then carry it as best you can to access it in a moment's notice... it's pointless to do otherwise.
Well done, a true PSA!
My man loves flaunting his beautiful wife !
You would do the same if you had one
The things you teach people are amazing and I try to watch all of your videos. I am a newbie to the whole concealed carry and your videos are exactly what I need. I did subscribe and will continue to watch. Because “NOTHING” means more than the safety of my wife and children, thank you for everything
Dustin Mckelvey thanks for the sub and support! Glad to help 👍
While I understand where you're coming from and I agree with you for the most part, how many times did she practice/train the drawstroke from *that* bag before y'all used this as an example for if someone who trains for it can successfully do so or not?
Exactly! I don't agree with purse carry (for me at least, because I don't like to keep a purse on me all the time, and it can be hard to draw), but the holster should be secured to the purse so you aren't drawing it out of the purse with the gun. And practice will make that draw fast.
In his perfect world. Lets say she is a Nurse wearing scrubs, visits multiple patients homes and a couple of hospitals today. Not many options available between visits. For many tactical shoulder slings may be the best option. An in vehicle lockable safe and situational awareness while doing her visits. It's not a perfect world.
In the beginning I thought this video was going to be lame, but after watching it all you did a great job and you were very realistic. Good job.
Jim Adams thank you very much! We also did a part 2 with Kim carrying on body. She went through the same drills. 👍
my question is.....what type of on body carry would you recommend for a woman who wears "yoga pants?"
Great question this is really the big decision because there has to be "some" compromise when one takes on the huge responsibility to carry a firearm. I would recommend wearing yoga pants for - yoga. If someone is wearing yoga pants for appearance (because they have the body type and want to show it) why not wear the shortest jean shorts (or something like that) they want with an IWB holster and a shirt that is loose at the bottom. Thanks for watching!
They make conceal carry yoga pants.
But you can carry other ways.
The difference is off body doesn’t always mean in a bag without quick release. For example the BOBB, my draw from it is easily as fast as appendix! So there should be two categories
Yep an actual rip away bag should be no slower.
Subscribed! I keep telling friends and family the same thing, carry on your person!
jbrdbr111 thanks for watching and subing!
First video I've watched and I'm hooked. Going to show my wife this! Please birth many ginger babies! 👍🏻👍🏻
Thats my plan ;) thanks for watching!
It's all about training. Within 21 feet on body carry isn't going to be any different without training. You can train for off body carry the same as on body carry. It also makes a difference in the type of bag or pack you're off body carrying with as well.
I don't care how long you train off body you will never be as fast as on body with same amount of training. Thanks for watching.
Solid video as always. Tactical wife usage (check). Great vid you two.
We both appreciate your support! Thanks for watching.
I work on a college campus. Sometimes I’m restricted by what I wear as well and I’m a guy. Fortunately, I work in a private office, and when I’m not able to carry on person, I have my “day planner” in my office that contains my weapon. I hear what you’re saying, but when that active shooter walks into my building, I will at least have a fighting chance.
Just shared two of your videos and subscribed. I appreciate you touching on the topics of "carrying a round in the chamber", and this episode "off-body carry".
Peter Strank thank you for sharing and the sub!
Great PSA. Mythbusters also did this and even with Adam looking right at Jaime when he started and knowing it was going to be knife vs gun he still failed inside 7 meters. I've also seen police training videos concluding the same. Seven paces is too short to perform a complicated draw or rack a slide and still fire accurately.
Nate Caucutt I'll have to check out that episode. Thanks for watching and commenting.
On Myth Busters the gun did not have a round in the chamber. There was some time spent racking the gun but the gun was in a holster as opposed to being in a purse. Carrying a gun does not guarantee 100% safety. You can still be killed even if you are armed with a gun.
thank you for the video, I have a friend who had her bag taken from her but she carries on her hip so didn't lose her weapon or her bag. Dad guy had a very surprised look on his face when she pulled her gun and made him stop.
Good ending to that story thanks for sharing
I believe everyone who is a law Abiding Citizen should be allowed to carry a weapon we need to be able to defend ourselves against all attackers
I agree. It’s unfortunate that so many laws are immoral and protect the state and not the people
Good information! The stress levels are higher, in a parking lot, where maneuverability is further restricted.
Very true
Not even a fair match, as you know. The '12 foot rule' also applies to people who have a holstered weapon. Unless you're VERY practiced in quick draw techniques, the 'perp' is going to win this contest every time.
It's not about winning its about what gives you the greatest chance.
You're right. Poor choice of words on my part. I should have said that within 21 feet, the 'perp' in your scenario has a distinct advantage over the one trying to extricate their firearm from a purse, backpack, even a holster. Love your videos. Just thought I'd add my 'two cents'.
Also, I (obviously) meant 21 foot rule earlier. Thanks for not correcting me.
Michael Sciortino thanks for watching!
Neil, good points, I don't carry a purse , but I find "there are a few short moments I carry off body, transitioning from and to locations I carry in a fanny bag or concealed in a Laptop case, my take: staying vigilant and keeping the mind in amber status ready to go to orange and red ...weapon within arms reach is better not carrying at all.
Great point Nick thanks for watching and your continued support for the channel.
Ditto Nick. I'm old school and carry a 5 round revolver in a suede right side front pants pocket. The most important thing any person can do is be aware of their surroundings and avoid situations that may require firearm use and the associated legal drama. My carry pants (shorts and long) have deep pockets which allow me to comfortably sink my gun butt from view but still allow me to have my hand(s) in my pockets and ready for weapon presentation if needed. Neil's video is very well presented and demonstrated.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
As a vet, let me just say.....GENIUS.🔥👌🏾
As a fellow firearms instructor, I GREATLY APPRECIATE and VALUE the time and effort that you and Kim have put into making these VERY insightful and well thought out videos... and particularly in demonstrating effective training and carry techniques for the ....... gentler sex. This video brings up a VERY important issue for both men and women alike as men also may carry in a briefcase. One of my women students who daily arrives at her workplace at 5:15am when the area is virtually devoid of people or security, has been carrying in her purse .......... however, she DOES unholster her weapon and has it in her strong side hand hidden in the purse when transiting to and from the parking area until safely in a secure area in the building. My thought was that this IS a viable adaptation ................ but I would appreciate your analysis and thoughts also......... thanks for your time.......... and PLEASE ............ keep producing these great instructional videos !!!
I would assume there is no possible way she can carry IWB which is why she is off body carrying in the first place (however I don't know what reason could be since she is taking her gun with her in the bag?). If my assumption is wrong, and it is just a personal decision show her this video- who knows many times another third party opinion makes a big difference. If she cannot then having the gun drawn in her hand in the bag seems like a reasonable option as long as she has perfect finger discipline. My concern (and I am sure yours as well) is accidentally pressing the trigger in the bag. Thanks for watching and commenting we appreciate your support!!
Gotta love them yoga pants. Good video. To the favorites it goes.
Frank F. Smith thanks!
Whoever invented yoga pants should have a national holiday named after him.
Kim GFA I was told to shoot through the purse as it can easily be replaced rather than do the fishing around that it takes to pull it out and I know that you are more than likely to miss the first shot but at least your hand is on the gun and your finger on the trigger.
@67bowman who said, "(shooting from inside a purse)...you are MORE THAN LIKELY TO MISS first shot but at least your hand is on the gun and your finger on the trigger." (emphasis added)
Extremely irresponsible!
If you are 'more than likely to miss the first shot', then YOU DO NOT FIRE!
If you don't know where YOUR bullet is going to go, then YOU DO NOT FIRE!
If you don't know what YOU are going to hit, then YOU DO NOT FIRE!
You also don't put your "finger on the trigger" until you are IMMINENTLY sighting on the target and ready to fire the weapon at your KNOWN target.
exgenica you're obviously talking about hunting my father taught me the same thing but this is life or death and you're way of thinking is under perfect conditions there is nothing perfect about being attacked or having your life threatened .
I have had discussions with women who like and/or carry firearms,,and not all are pocket pistols....some wear IWB with or without belt,,with t-shirt and unbuttoned outer shirt with long tails,,some have tried the T-shirt with built in shoulder holster pocket,,but most still carry in a purse most of the time......mainly because once they started carrying at all,felt unprepared and unsafe to at least not have their firearm with them......I have also found that finding the "right" holster takes some trials,which generally means a drawer full of holsters,,and most men can wear concealed many ways.......but with women I think maybe some options to try could be a belly band,,or similar type pouch like the Smart Carry....I have seen many models on the market and think one of these could work for just about any type of clothing.....even the yoga pants,,wear band like a IWB,front or back,, about 1/2 above waist,,then wrap a large scarf,wrap as stylish belt with knot/remaining tails on off gun side.......could be worn like this all year.....both concealed and stylish....even over a dress with ornate scarf wrapped around as 4"to 6" waist belt......only downfall I kind of see,is most women don't dress the same way 2 days in a row...............men seldom dress 2 different ways all year............check out .."".concealcarrygirl videos"" .....................just sharing a thought............
The video underscores the importance of situational awareness, even before you exit your vehicle...do the same routine when you are leaving the store or business where you were...if you don't like what you see, go to hypervigilant mode... call for store security if necessary...not paranoid, just aware and alive... feel free to criticize if you want, but I'm still here...(it's not just luck, and not easy, either)...
Peace, all...
JRC
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I liked that you actually demonstrated why it's so dangerous to carry off body.Another very good video.Where are you located at? Looks like Kentucky to me.
Close northeast Ohio.
Geauga Firearms Academy oh I was close.My family is originally from Ohio way back in 1881
I just discovered your channel today. You now have a new subscriber. I myself conceal carry all day everyday. At all times I have a .40 cal subcompact, two spare mags, a knife, a set of metal knuckles. Brass ones are illegal. keys, cell phone, wallet on my person as a bare minimum. then I have my backpack which has 50 extra rounds. 2 more spare magazines. A small assortment of tools for my mountain bike which is my mode of transportation. A fire starter. Spare batterys for one of my bike lights and the two small high lumen flashlights im the pack. I have 2 small extra battery power banks which will recharge my cell phone as well as my other headlight for my bike and the tail light. Other than that I have a small first aid kit and a small store of jerky and granola and lightweight foods. Oh yea I have my emergency poncho and a stash of paracord in the bag as well. I like what I see in your videos and will be going thru and watching you video list. Thank you for what you do.
Jimmie Simmons thanks for watching and commenting Jimmie
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This is a great concept, I wish more people could see you guys. Showing this to my mother and sister.
Andrew Hanna thanks for your support. Make sure you check out Part Two as well.
GREAT VIDEOS! I am a TOTAL NEWBIE to Firearms and just completed an NRA-approved Pistol Safety Class. Please keep making Videos to Help Newbies like myself Get Better & Safer! Thank You!👍👍👍👍👍
you're right an attacker wouldn't yell out I'm coming to get you . .. but since that is true you can get the drop on anybody no matter where you carry it.
You are perfectly right If i ever have a license fire arm.It must be rubbing
some where on my body..
less bearded guy, more pretty girl.
Can't really blame you there LOL!
I had this argument with a girl in the office but my second point is how most of the ladies leave their purse laying around and oh by the way they forgot and left a loaded gun in it....great vid!!
AudioHouseOnline thanks for watching!
Very good point! My grandmother was attacked decades ago while using a pay phone. She was able to push the perp and pull her .38 out, fire, and scare him off. Mind you, she wasn't your run of the mill nana and saw him coming. Plus unlike today where woman carry giant purses stuffed with makeup bag, wallet, cell phones, perfume etc Her purse only contained two items....her wallet and her revolver. Thank you for posting. My mother is considering cc and all her bags are of the bottomless pit type. She'll be seeing this... Thanks again
Patricia Alonso I like your Nana! thanks for watching and sharing.
I would really like to know. How many times have you actually used your techniques to defend yourself?
Please correct me if I'm mistaken. Off body carry is the ideal way to carry. 1. A person can switch alert levels seamlessly by simply placing hand in bag this gives an advantage in many ways. 2. There is no need to draw, just shoot from the bag. Being alert is key.
Stroh Bruke that's assuming that you know the attack is coming. Of course situational awareness is important, but we are only humans. If they catch you off guard, game over. And I hear it all the time, I always know everything around me. We are not super heroes and this is not a movie or a training exercise. I would call BS. I hope no one would be careless enough to carry in a bag with no trigger guard. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Our training officer showed videos of reaction time needed with actors reaching under a mattress and attacking with a knife or running the same distance here to draw while holstered.
Well done video folks, made your point well and did made us smile at the same time.
Loved the, "a firearm isn't garlic" quote too, it might get repeated during a conversation or two.
Kudos for sure to you both on the video.
Thank you we appreciate your support!
This IS a VERY important video. Females are the most affected but some males too. The only time I carry off body is when doing construction/fabrication projects about the home or similar, and my 10 MM is within reach in a expedition pouch. I'm also a JKD instructor with real world fight experiences and I've drawn a firearm 6 X in defense. I'm a big brute with hyper awareness and the ability to easily enter a fight and use improvised weapons. These work-situations are the most uncomfortable times in my life, with all that said. I prefer my EAA Witness 10MM and a .45 ACP BUG in holsters, with reloads. You gals had better get real and find a holster system that works for you, fast in real world conditions
This literally convinced me to stop using a messenger bag. Thanks for the lesson. Better learned this way, than the hard way. God bless.
traumaconcept John thanks for watching and sharing
I almost bought a sling bag for hiking and carrying in general. I'm buying an IWB now for sure, thank you!
Very informative. Even on-body carry presents a real challenge in self-defense situations. Usually you only have seconds to deploy the gun to save your life. Good news...there are yoga pants that have holsters built-in. I'm not sure how good they are...but...
kichigaisensei thanks for watching and commenting
Geauga Firearms Academy Sure thing, bro. Thanks for putting up the vids...otherwise I'd have nothing to watch. LOL.
for females if you want to wear exercise cloths I recommend looking into the flash bang holster. it is a great alternative to traditional carry.
Jacob Casstevens I'm doing a review on that company's holster. it is in editing
I watched the very beginning, and shut off when the drill was" I'll shout " go " from 10 wherever, and I bet I can tag you before you can a shot off. BS, how about having the armed person get ready with their hand on the gun butt facing you, then yell ready, you'll get tagged every time. I carry off body, I drill getting a shot off in 15 seconds, every time. I have extensive training, and have been in many a situation of danger. Never have I been in a situation where you couldn't see escalation rise in less than 15 seconds. Being aware of your surroundings, and keeping safe distances is paramount. I have a gun friend, very experienced, ask me what would I do if someone came behind me and hit me in the head with a bat, just the same as anyone, I'd get hurt. I just can't believe that getting a shot off in less that 5 seconds is wise to practice, in 5 seconds most people couldn't even recognize a lethal threat. ARM YOURSELF CRIME WILL STOP
This “test” only proves that typical purse carry is very flawed.....but let’s be more honest...everything gets lost in purses.
I’m criticizing the labeling of the test as being inaccurate. I do commend and appreciate the demonstration and information on this important topic.
I have a sling pack that has a zippered pouch for handgun. I never thought about the issues involved. Thanks for the very informative video, I look forward to learning more in the future.
Mark Burden thanks for watching. we are so glad that people are seeing the danger in off body carry.
Lots of good points but I do disagree that not carrying is better than off body carry. I do think it's important to recognize the limitations of off body carry and being aware of your surroundings.
Jan Gomez thanks for watching and commenting
Great video, but what's worse is the friends I have who went to all the trouble and expense to obtain there cwp , AND DONT CARRY AT ALL! . Damn that pisses me off.
Off body carry requires specific training. In these situations, she would have to be on at least “yellow” with her hand on her gun inside the purse or bag AND she had to be ready to shoot the purp through the purse without clearing the purse first.
Thanks for this public service. You are saving lives.
Deff the scariest is if they get the purse or run off with the purse you are liable for any and everything that goes on with that firearm.
while I agree 100%, there are times where you can see a POSSIBLE situation coming that you cant avoid and have time to prepare...id say having one in a purse beats having nothing
Great video. Proves the point well. I bought a purse so I can purse carry, it is specifically made for carrying with a separate compartment and built in holster. This video proved that even though the purse was made for a specific purpose, I could still not defend myself adequately and in a timely manner. Great advice for the new CCW women out there!
Diana Belar so glad we can help. Congratulations on your new CC permit
Yep - I've never been a fan of purse/briefcase/folio sorts of carry, even specially designed ones. Having the weapon on your body is awkward and occasionally uncomfortable, but those same qualities confers a huge advantage as well - you always are aware of it, and know where it is and how to draw it. And think of the first rule of active self-defense - "run away if you can". Well, what happens to a purse over your shoulder when you run? It bounces all over the place, making access to your weapon even more difficult. In a stress situation, it's always going to be far easier to access a weapon on your body than one in some accessory you are carrying. And even with Kim's yoga pants and light coat, on-body CC is perfectly do-able a number of different ways. Use it, and practice it. I've seen a couple of these vids now, and I am subbing this channel. Great job, guys!! :-)
MrJest2 great points. glad to see others share the same common sense.
A 20' rush isn't really a good example. Even if she had a holster on her body, it may be a challenge to get it out in time. This has been discussed as a knife attack situation for years. I personally think the best argument against carrying in a purse is possibility that a criminal is going to snatch the purse as he walks by (Pretty common situation). Not only do you now not have access to your firearm for defense, but a criminal now has your firearm.
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Btw, I think a better option for carrying while wearing yoga paints, shorts, etc. Is a fanny pack holster. It is buckled to your body. Yeah, it's not as stylish as a purse, but it works.
Amen and amen, I have been preaching this to my loved ones for years! thank you for a great visual verification of the same , great videos...
I too, although a concealed carry holder, FFL , gunsmith, Business owner, rancher, I have been saying it's better to be tryed by 12 then carried by 6.. thank you for great content...definitely sub'ing your channel...
ksportjacket great glad you liked the video!
very good illustration of the reality & dangers of off body carry!
300 blAKout thanks
If you will let me I might still watch anyway because I think you both are really skilled.
Thank you. Great piece of footage. Great info. I am a male who sometimes carries a bag. I will not make this mistake.
I have seen the same kind of demonstration used on police officers open carrying their duty pistols. They failed just like your wife did. The point of those drills was to show that no one could draw and fire on someone running at them from 21 feet or less.
Michelle Starr check out Part Two. This is all about giving you the best chance to defend yourself in the most stressful situations. I my opinion, even an expensive CC messenger purse will move around when running or in a struggle. The 21 ft is based on the Tueller Drill. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I agree that carry in a purse or bag is less effective. However there are times when I'm wearing athletic shorts that a holster isn't practical. What's your opinion on fanny pack carry? The pack is actually attached to you and can be easily hidden under a shirt.
Also I think you'd find that very few people are going to have a successful draw in an ambush situation at that distance, regardless of carry method. Your average person just doesn't train enough to instinctively react. My wife carries her pepper spray in her hand whenever walking alone... which would probably give her a better shot at survival IMO.
Thanks for the great vids.
Sociopath Mercenary If the pack is tight and holds the gun firmly then that may work. Thanks for watching.
Sociopath Mercenary...I bought one of those sticky holsters for when im in gym shorts or sweats..works great. just tighten string on clothes and in stays in place.
and thats with ruger sr40c with 9 rounds.
That's cool. I've almost resorted to duct tape. :)
Paranormal Biker : What is a "sticky holster"? I am a woman who does NOT wear or own a belt. I live in South Texas so I can't wear a cardigan, jacket or sweater to help conceal a gun. I wear jean shorts about 90% of the time with a fitted v-neck shirt. I do wear jeans sometimes but again, with a fitted shirt... I'm thinking of a holster that could go on the inside of my shorts with a clip or something to hook it to the top of my shorts/pants? I could then wear the shirts I wear which go down several inches past my waste. Is there something like I'm describing? Thank you!😊
We did this drill while in military and it's action vs reaction... guy with a knife will get you every time before you draw and put them down... you might get a round in them but at that distance they will get you every time
Thanks for watching!
I used to have a conceal carry purse. My attacker charged from the front, and my only reacton time available was to swing at my attacker with my purse. Before I could get my bearings and reach for my gun, he had drawn a gun on me, so of course I handed it over. I wish I would have at least thrown it at him. He did take the purse, and run and jump in a car. We walked the parking lot hoping that he would have just grabbed out the wallet and dropped it.
Mary Rodgers I'm sorry you had to go through that, but glad you are okay. So many people think they are ninjas, but fail to realize how quickly an attack happens and how hard it is to react under stress. thanks for watching. stay safe ☺
that depends on the bag, there's such things like quick draw bags.
For how it could work, you could either keep you bag organized since you should do it anyway and if it could saver your life even better or you could modify your bag to have a easily accessible pocket with the holstered gun or better yet learn some hand to hand combat so when they get that close and you cant get your gun you can still fuck them up.
Why people carry their ccw in a bag or fanny pack is beyond me. Good video thanks for sharing.
chemoautotroph thanks for watching
I don't know how I got here...but I'm glad I did. Great video, very informative.
alandab well, we are glad you found us! thanks for watching
Awesome evidence of how bad off body carry is- thanks!