I hate how bad they messed up The ending of the phyrexians. Glistening oil Does not need a signal to thrive. If that were the case then the oil on karn would have died off when Old phyrexia Was destroyed And none of this would have happened. In reality all the other planes should Infected Just like mirrodin was And they should have to try and cleanse The land
Yes they had forgot about their own lore. They forgot just what drop of oil can do IE memnark. That is what suppose to make phrexian oil so dangerous. As long as one drop is around phyrexia can come back fully.
The battle shouldn’t have begun and ended in the same set. There were even 3 arcs within the set. Why not make those each a set and give a wider view of the conflict?
elesh norn : pierced by elspeth then torn to shreds jin gataxias : devoured by his own machine sheoldred : decapitated by a phyrexian ajani urubrask : dissasembled by elesh norn vorniclex : decapitated by a member of the zhalfir army
The worst thing about this story is that we lost Melira just so we could have Ajani and Nissa(which was totally dumb idea)return, it would be better if Karn gave up his spark to her so she could go around planes trying to cure whatever stayed after phyrexians and here we have catman and hippie(who made released eldrazi and doomed peple of Zendikar to be tormented by roil and killed many rebels) saved. I just hope that the things that they did while being compleated won't be just forgot by others("ah you were controlled nothing happened") and also remember by them and never felt the same(especially because of Jaya.
idk that the phyrexians are gone. sure new phyrexia is gone, and norn's invaders are inert, but jin said that phyrexia has evolved past her. all that is needed is one drop of this evolved oil to be planted like an acorn and a new phyrexia will grow
Awesome video thanks so much for sharing the lore in this way. Loved this arch for Elspeth, her having to choose where to go and not being able to go to New Capenna or Theros was heart breaking but epic. Looking forward to seeing what Aftermarth will bring. So are all the praetors dead now? I wasn't sure exactly what happened to Vorinclex? Maybe I missed that or perhaps its ambiguous?
Worst case scenario. Don't know how save your character? Give them a plot armor. Stupid as hell, and the worst plot twist in the entire March of the machine.
@@ghouluoshe8001 Feel bad for anyone who likes phyrexia/arc, but If you know anything about Elspeth's story and lore going into the set, it really was a fit ending for her. Finally getting redemption for herself, family, past planes that she failed to save from Phyrexians. Then becoming what she was always meant to be an Angel.
@@OfficerDva444 And it is a very boring reborn character AGAIN button. That's the problem. The story was about army VS army, and then one stupid girl just got back from the dead for the second time in her life.
so before starting this video, WoC basically gave white their "angel Planeswalker" through this whole block. 🤣 So much more that could of be done but I'll still listen this video because I do enjoy the story for what it is.
You FOOLS. You really believe a silly ISP ban will stop the Machine? Well guess what? New Phyrexia just installed NORD VPN. (Code in description for 10% off your order!)
I like how the writers try to do the "a phyrexian will just take the place of the leader" cliche and that "assassination isnt a good idea" then killing elesh norn made them all fall apart lmao. What dog shit writing.
Shoutout to Wrenn for having the only coherent character arc through this mess. And the writers killed her off, which I think was actually one of the only consequences that felt emotionally impactful. Sorry not sorry Lukka
I cannot express how happy I was to be right. For months, amid detractors and and phyrexian sympathizers I said that Ajani would live and be cured. While I was wrong in guessing the means by which he would be saved, I literally cheered when he was restored and celebrated with my friends. I cannot wait to see what they do with him from Aftermath and onward. Thank you so much for these fantastic recaps! I look forward enjoying more stories with you in the future.
Being honest, I preferred the chaotic nature of Phyrexia. Norn and her whole unity thing just don't do it for me. Always found her to be the least interesting of the five New Phyrexian leaders. Jin Gitaxius and Urubrask are my favourite, probably, as they kind of carry Yawgmoths insidious creativity and brilliance
They could've skipped the Eyeless story on the first New Capenna, the story for Innistrad, the one for Eldraine. These stories were pointless dead ends and meaningless, easily replaced. Eldraine could've been on the royal family, Innistrad could've been Thalia or Sorin, Capenna could've been Theros. We didn't need two visits to the New Capenna story, only the second one had any purpose I also don't like they came back to Chandra x Nissa after they trashed it and started with Adeline. Chandra's a two timer
He went off to do whatever and never came back. He noticed it was gonna hit the fan and saved Vraska, but we know nothing of him. He'll come back at some point.
I been here since you start the lore. And I have to say man you have talent and I really hear and feel the luv you have for the lore of mtg... I also like the story's. But I am kinda disappointed with the ending of march of machines Elspeth kill elesh norn by making her angry. Elseh norn went from being a devotion and well around characters of believes with perfection. And now a tynnat full with rage out of the blue... just saying the end could have been better ..
Im more upset that they completely forgot how Glistening Oil works... Elspeth should have let Jace use the Sylex. Phyrexia is the oil, not the otherway around and if it evolved to no longer need Yawgmoth there is no reason it should need Norn. Its the Folgers Coffee of infections: good to the last drop and those planes are dripping in it now.
Fear was why she acted that way. She didn't turn angry out the blue. Elspeth is everything she feared. Elseh Norn was afraid of how much she identified with a fleshling so for Elspeth to be dealt with and come back even stronger and on top of that transformed into something not of her original design, pissed off Norn and fear kicked in. Fear makes ppl do irrational things and the point of fear doing that to Elesh Norn was to show that no matter how perfect, even Phyrexians can feel emotions.
@@michellemoore7829 "magic will change forever"... sure thing, bud. I'm so sick of seeing the same 8 people and places over and over in what is literally an infinite setting. The amount of retconing and backwards logic they had to pull just to return the the status quo is vomit inducing. All of those planes should be dealing with a Phrexian infection until the end of time even without Norn or Realmbreacker because the Glistening oil evolved even independantly of Yawgmoth and only needed a drop to become a New Phyrexia.
It doesn’t make sense to save Ajani or Nissa. Just let them die. Stories don’t mean anything if you just save all the heroes every time. Make the story mean something for once.
Norn just being the classic villain, never able to shut up and just end the Heroes haha. I really hope they're gone from magic the gathering forever but I have a sneaky feeling.. Just like the moon on Innistrad and bolas imprisoned there seem to be some loose ends that can spark a new story with these villains. Time will tell! Oh, soon it's dinosaurs! Yay!
@@thewidowskiss7675 yes, she did great. In fact, if her plan was to completely annihilate Phyrexia, binding it in one big PILE of useless metal, she did it perfectly, killing all the "threads" she could to make this happen.
@@thewidowskiss7675 oh yeah, the thing that Norn did everything to lose is not her problem, it's plot. And you know, Nahiri isn't stupid clown, that's just a plot. And Bolas is a weak mere dragon, it's just plot.
I know I'm late asking this but... Did anyone ever find out exactly who the planeswalker that died and created the glistening oil was or how it died before planeswalkers got nurfed. All I know is it was a planeswalker attempting to create his own plane and a friend of the planeswalker who was a friend of Urmoth or what ever the father of pherexia was called
We still dont know who it was. Yawgmoth just found the plane and the planeswalker who made the place already dead. So yawgmoth just took over and made the place even better.
It's like they took the ending story line of Mass Effect 3 and said "stick a chick in it, and make her gay, and lame" 😂. I wish we could just re do this story
@@HappyNoob17YT it definitely feels like a reboot of the Planswalker idea, but this feels more like the aimless pandering / storytelling of Disneys Star Wars than that of a revamped Dune or LOTR. I don't know, Thunder Junction is coming out soon, what do you think?
Can't believe this is how it ends. I've waited half my life for this conclusion and it felt so small, so rushed. Very disappointing. Still not happy with WotCs continual march for woke-ism. This was supposed to be about the multi-verse, about finally dealing with the Phyrexians and all the main story played second fiddle to Chandra x Nissa? Really that's how it ends being covered up behind Chandra finally kissing Nissa? Just feels so... cheap.
I never expected to feel so many feelings about the realmbreaker, that poor tree had more character development than 4 out of the 5 main villains T-T
literally the first thing I read before I start the video and I lol'ed hard! 🤣
I love how Chandra and Wrenn become friends because fire.
To be fair, "fire" is kind of Chandra's whole character XD.
I hate how bad they messed up The ending of the phyrexians. Glistening oil Does not need a signal to thrive. If that were the case then the oil on karn would have died off when Old phyrexia Was destroyed And none of this would have happened. In reality all the other planes should Infected Just like mirrodin was And they should have to try and cleanse The land
Yes they had forgot about their own lore. They forgot just what drop of oil can do IE memnark. That is what suppose to make phrexian oil so dangerous. As long as one drop is around phyrexia can come back fully.
I'd like to imagine that the wanderer was just jumping from plane to plane fight random Phyrexians one after another until she came to Kamigawa.
I'd also like to imagine that she accidentally jumped to a different plane at some point.
Never before in MTG so much of the lore depended so heavily on what they decided to do with it in the aftermath.
Until you realize that's how they've always done it
It was a mistake to have this event with this amount of scale condenced in just one set.
It was told over three sets? With tons of preset lore over the last 15 years WDYM
The battle shouldn’t have begun and ended in the same set. There were even 3 arcs within the set. Why not make those each a set and give a wider view of the conflict?
elesh norn : pierced by elspeth then torn to shreds
jin gataxias : devoured by his own machine
sheoldred : decapitated by a phyrexian ajani
urubrask : dissasembled by elesh norn
vorniclex : decapitated by a member of the zhalfir army
jin is an absolute noob. rip to urubrask )': hes a true G
*obsessed with phyrexian lore thanks*
Love these recaps, great way to start the weekend
Enjoy man and appreciate your support
The worst thing about this story is that we lost Melira just so we could have Ajani and Nissa(which was totally dumb idea)return, it would be better if Karn gave up his spark to her so she could go around planes trying to cure whatever stayed after phyrexians and here we have catman and hippie(who made released eldrazi and doomed peple of Zendikar to be tormented by roil and killed many rebels) saved. I just hope that the things that they did while being compleated won't be just forgot by others("ah you were controlled nothing happened") and also remember by them and never felt the same(especially because of Jaya.
idk that the phyrexians are gone. sure new phyrexia is gone, and norn's invaders are inert, but jin said that phyrexia has evolved past her. all that is needed is one drop of this evolved oil to be planted like an acorn and a new phyrexia will grow
New new Phyrexia!
the oil have spread everywere, all is phyrexia now
Awesome video thanks so much for sharing the lore in this way. Loved this arch for Elspeth, her having to choose where to go and not being able to go to New Capenna or Theros was heart breaking but epic. Looking forward to seeing what Aftermarth will bring. So are all the praetors dead now? I wasn't sure exactly what happened to Vorinclex? Maybe I missed that or perhaps its ambiguous?
I think Urabask is the only survivor, sure phased out and dismembered but alive nonetheless
Elspeth finally becoming an archangel planeswalker and getting to speak with Serra is so good.
Worst case scenario. Don't know how save your character? Give them a plot armor. Stupid as hell, and the worst plot twist in the entire March of the machine.
@@ghouluoshe8001 Feel bad for anyone who likes phyrexia/arc, but If you know anything about Elspeth's story and lore going into the set, it really was a fit ending for her. Finally getting redemption for herself, family, past planes that she failed to save from Phyrexians. Then becoming what she was always meant to be an Angel.
@@OfficerDva444 And it is a very boring reborn character AGAIN button. That's the problem. The story was about army VS army, and then one stupid girl just got back from the dead for the second time in her life.
so before starting this video, WoC basically gave white their "angel Planeswalker" through this whole block. 🤣
So much more that could of be done but I'll still listen this video because I do enjoy the story for what it is.
USER NEW PHYREXIA HAS BEEN BANNED FROM THE SERVER
We will be back… our mother.. will be rebuilt.
BAN REASON: GTFO OFF OUR MULTIVERSE
Yawgmoth should have just said: “you fool, I have 70 ALTERNATIVE ACCOUNTS!”
You FOOLS. You really believe a silly ISP ban will stop the Machine? Well guess what? New Phyrexia just installed NORD VPN. (Code in description for 10% off your order!)
I want to know what happened to Tezzeret he was kinda playing a double agent during Dominaria United and then never really showed up again.
He got his dark steel body and excaped
Dude idk whats wrong w me but at certain parts tears just started welling up i wasnt sobbing but i may have shed a tear or 2
I like how the writers try to do the "a phyrexian will just take the place of the leader" cliche and that "assassination isnt a good idea" then killing elesh norn made them all fall apart lmao. What dog shit writing.
Shoutout to Wrenn for having the only coherent character arc through this mess. And the writers killed her off, which I think was actually one of the only consequences that felt emotionally impactful. Sorry not sorry Lukka
Lukka had it coming
how are there only 185 likes with 4.1k views??? This was awesome!!!
Plot armor at its finest
I cannot express how happy I was to be right. For months, amid detractors and and phyrexian sympathizers I said that Ajani would live and be cured. While I was wrong in guessing the means by which he would be saved, I literally cheered when he was restored and celebrated with my friends. I cannot wait to see what they do with him from Aftermath and onward.
Thank you so much for these fantastic recaps! I look forward enjoying more stories with you in the future.
Crazy to me that Ajani can fight off bolas but can't fight off some phyrexians
Being honest, I preferred the chaotic nature of Phyrexia. Norn and her whole unity thing just don't do it for me. Always found her to be the least interesting of the five New Phyrexian leaders. Jin Gitaxius and Urubrask are my favourite, probably, as they kind of carry Yawgmoths insidious creativity and brilliance
They could've skipped the Eyeless story on the first New Capenna, the story for Innistrad, the one for Eldraine. These stories were pointless dead ends and meaningless, easily replaced. Eldraine could've been on the royal family, Innistrad could've been Thalia or Sorin, Capenna could've been Theros. We didn't need two visits to the New Capenna story, only the second one had any purpose
I also don't like they came back to Chandra x Nissa after they trashed it and started with Adeline. Chandra's a two timer
Posted this one as I was watching the one for all will be one lol
perfect timing!
Question. Did I miss jace or was he not even in this story?
He went off to do whatever and never came back. He noticed it was gonna hit the fan and saved Vraska, but we know nothing of him. He'll come back at some point.
He has some of the oil on him. So they are setting him up to be a urza/yawgmoth villian
great video
I been here since you start the lore. And I have to say man you have talent and I really hear and feel the luv you have for the lore of mtg... I also like the story's. But I am kinda disappointed with the ending of march of machines
Elspeth kill elesh norn by making her angry.
Elseh norn went from being a devotion and well around characters of believes with perfection. And now a tynnat full with rage out of the blue... just saying the end could have been better ..
Im more upset that they completely forgot how Glistening Oil works... Elspeth should have let Jace use the Sylex. Phyrexia is the oil, not the otherway around and if it evolved to no longer need Yawgmoth there is no reason it should need Norn. Its the Folgers Coffee of infections: good to the last drop and those planes are dripping in it now.
Thank you for the kind words and your insight.
MTG really pulled a GoT swerve
@@jonmayers3259 yeah...
Fear was why she acted that way. She didn't turn angry out the blue. Elspeth is everything she feared. Elseh Norn was afraid of how much she identified with a fleshling so for Elspeth to be dealt with and come back even stronger and on top of that transformed into something not of her original design, pissed off Norn and fear kicked in. Fear makes ppl do irrational things and the point of fear doing that to Elesh Norn was to show that no matter how perfect, even Phyrexians can feel emotions.
Documented for posterity, when the writing team is eventually fired let no one ask why.
Good because I’ve been getting pretty tired of “why” to a lot of bad writing choices
Glad it isnt just me, I say time to clean house on whoever is in charge of story lines
Seems a tad extreme but ok
The writing team just gave wizards the bonkers plot that the company wanted to wrap all of the nonsense up in one set
@@michellemoore7829 "magic will change forever"... sure thing, bud. I'm so sick of seeing the same 8 people and places over and over in what is literally an infinite setting.
The amount of retconing and backwards logic they had to pull just to return the the status quo is vomit inducing. All of those planes should be dealing with a Phrexian infection until the end of time even without Norn or Realmbreacker because the Glistening oil evolved even independantly of Yawgmoth and only needed a drop to become a New Phyrexia.
It doesn’t make sense to save Ajani or Nissa. Just let them die. Stories don’t mean anything if you just save all the heroes every time. Make the story mean something for once.
atraxa seeing a city block fall on her: 😮
Easily accessed. Great!
Norn just being the classic villain, never able to shut up and just end the Heroes haha. I really hope they're gone from magic the gathering forever but I have a sneaky feeling.. Just like the moon on Innistrad and bolas imprisoned there seem to be some loose ends that can spark a new story with these villains.
Time will tell! Oh, soon it's dinosaurs! Yay!
Hoping that Yawgmoth will return and show how to do things. Because this stupid white piece of metal made everything she could to lose.
@@ghouluoshe8001cap, Elesh did great.
@@thewidowskiss7675 yes, she did great. In fact, if her plan was to completely annihilate Phyrexia, binding it in one big PILE of useless metal, she did it perfectly, killing all the "threads" she could to make this happen.
@@ghouluoshe8001 Phyrexia will rise again, they were only lowered because of ✨plot✨ though they will rise again.
@@thewidowskiss7675 oh yeah, the thing that Norn did everything to lose is not her problem, it's plot. And you know, Nahiri isn't stupid clown, that's just a plot. And Bolas is a weak mere dragon, it's just plot.
I know I'm late asking this but... Did anyone ever find out exactly who the planeswalker that died and created the glistening oil was or how it died before planeswalkers got nurfed. All I know is it was a planeswalker attempting to create his own plane and a friend of the planeswalker who was a friend of Urmoth or what ever the father of pherexia was called
We still dont know who it was. Yawgmoth just found the plane and the planeswalker who made the place already dead. So yawgmoth just took over and made the place even better.
The real tragedy of "All will be one": Nissa's survival :(.
so wat about sheoldread?
It's like they took the ending story line of Mass Effect 3 and said "stick a chick in it, and make her gay, and lame" 😂.
I wish we could just re do this story
maybe this could be the sign of a reboot?
@@HappyNoob17YT it definitely feels like a reboot of the Planswalker idea, but this feels more like the aimless pandering / storytelling of Disneys Star Wars than that of a revamped Dune or LOTR. I don't know, Thunder Junction is coming out soon, what do you think?
Obligatory algorithm-boosting comment.
Yay!!!
WHERE IS TEZZY I NEED TO KNOW AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
He got his dark steel body and split he's alive
shoutout for kaya for killing a god
This is so cool and i am only 11
Jin Gitaxias Will return. i believe. hes mono blue no way that wasn't a illusion
If corrupted can magically be healed, then wizard will let everyone come back with a stupid excuse if they want to
Naw his machine devoured everything about him. He is no more.
The title of this video has "COMPEATE" spelled wrong.
Are the watchers/visitors my girl Elspeth or something else?
Someone please answer this question I need to know.
what a shit ass ending. definition of plot armor... That's a bummer for the whole phyrexian chapter to end like that
Can't believe this is how it ends. I've waited half my life for this conclusion and it felt so small, so rushed. Very disappointing. Still not happy with WotCs continual march for woke-ism. This was supposed to be about the multi-verse, about finally dealing with the Phyrexians and all the main story played second fiddle to Chandra x Nissa? Really that's how it ends being covered up behind Chandra finally kissing Nissa? Just feels so... cheap.
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I just put the story into a text-to-speech program and it sounded 100% better, use whichever one you like.
Bro doesn't think speech patterns exist